Self-Recording Guitar Players LOVE Making Things Complicated And It’s Not Good

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  • @FrightboxRecording
    @FrightboxRecording  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

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    • @MadNoisy
      @MadNoisy 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks for the video man 🤘🤘
      Did algorithm got fixed? 😂😂

  • @benstanfill363
    @benstanfill363 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +32

    The best thing I've done is making a template. Sure getting the template to where I wanted took some time, but now that I have it, I literally sit down and start recording and programming. No tweaking sounds, no nothing. All my time is coming up with and playing a song.

    • @sau1itud366
      @sau1itud366 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      This is the way. 🙌

    • @therealone1288
      @therealone1288 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Yep it's tedious but putting in the time pays off

    • @RandomationsYt
      @RandomationsYt 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Slide that template babycakes 🥰

  • @alrecks619
    @alrecks619 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +35

    the point of having multi mic setup on cab is to have different flavors of your tone so trying to EQ them to sound similar to one another kinda defeats the purpose of doing it anyway.

    • @adammcgill9844
      @adammcgill9844 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Whenever I get a session from an engineer that throws a million mics on the same cab or multiple cabs I just select the one mic/cab combo to my ear and trash the rest of the tracks.

    • @MrBikboi
      @MrBikboi 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Fucking lol anime profile pic, low test alert srs

  • @tomkmb4120
    @tomkmb4120 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Dude, long time guitarist/musician here - getting back into recording for the first time since 08 and have been loving all of your videos/information.

  • @michaelsimrock5803
    @michaelsimrock5803 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I always use 2 microphones on my recordings. Simply put: I don't like EQing the hell out of a signal. I have a ribbon mic for the lows and an aggressive dynamic mic for the top end, and blending these give me a good control of the sound even without any filter. So I only need an EQ later to eliminate problem frequencies. But I don't do metal, I'm an Indierocker and work with moderate overdriven guitar-tones.

  • @darrellroseborough7275
    @darrellroseborough7275 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Hey Bobby, you're a God sent. Ever since I stumbled on your channel, I love your keep it stupid, simple approach. No nonsense, very informative straight to the point, no bullshit you gotta do this. You gotta do that in order to get pro results. Over analyzing everything. Thanks for taking the blanket off all the myths out there. I'm subscribing. I'm recording the majority of time different genre other than metal and rock. Being a musician I don't discriminate against no genre i can actually play it. I'm recording mostly R&B, hip hop, jazz, gospel but I'm still able to apply what you teach to what I'm doing. Thanks keep up the great work

    • @metalinsights9664
      @metalinsights9664 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I like to keep it stupid, as well. :)

  • @charlielopez.gtr1
    @charlielopez.gtr1 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    How do you go about mixing heavy guitars when there is an acoustic guitar like starting verse of a song or that keep going through the entire song? 1 acoustic center and heavy stuff hard pan, or double acoustic hard panned same as the heavy?

  • @bfunkadelicmusic
    @bfunkadelicmusic 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I always pan hard left and right but Dimebag always wanted his panned 9 o’clock and 3 o’clock. Hetfield also often goes left, right and one in the center pulled way down.

    • @ky9999
      @ky9999 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That’s why their mix sucks?

    • @ky9999
      @ky9999 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Hetfield’s guitar tone eats up all of the bass guitar and you can’t hear them

    • @gdawgs101
      @gdawgs101 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Uh brother... Idk when the last time you looked at a clock was, but 9 o'clock and 3 o'clock IS hard panned left and right.........

    • @bfunkadelicmusic
      @bfunkadelicmusic 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@gdawgs101 Yeah, no it’s not. Try again.

    • @bfunkadelicmusic
      @bfunkadelicmusic 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ky9999 Ever listen to the Black Album? Plenty of bass on that one.

  • @needsLITHIUM
    @needsLITHIUM 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    If anything gets panned in, it's usually quieter tonal texture layers, like if I blend in a chainsaw type tone, or a metal zone boosted with a tube screamer straight into a power amp, in with a different overall tone as like a "spice" layer; the way old school death metal bands like Crowbar, Cannibal Corpse, Dark Tranquility, Dismember, In Flames, Entombed, etc used to do, and the way newer extreme hardcore and Nu Deathcore/Nu Metalcore/Nu Djent bands do, such as Tallah, Knocked Loose, Spirit Box, et al. HM-2 or fuzz style chainsaw tones blend surprisingly well with modern downtuned, 7 string, and 8 string tones, and modern style tones gotten from classic metal amp circuits likewise lend well to blending well with both that and the boosted MT-2 into power.

  • @eweesplace
    @eweesplace 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    A lot of similar advice as Jordan from Hardcore Music Studio. Really nice to have multiple dudes reaffirm the same advice. Love the no bs approach with mixes and recording engineering to back it up. Cheers

  • @4dmind
    @4dmind 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    For solo balance...you can side chain a compressor on the rhythm guitars from the solo bus. I don't do this on every track, but I typically sidechain a compressor on the rhythm guitars from the snare, bass to kick, and maybe solo to rhythm guitars, depending on track and instrumentation. EDIT: I hard pan too. I've never found an exception as a general technique, although I have produced tracks where I have a deliberate lower energy section (bridge start, or a verse) with one guitar track panned center. But to me, that should always be a deliberate aesthetic choice.

    • @futuresmiles5797
      @futuresmiles5797 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Some interesting ideas here. I’ve never tried sidechaining rhythm guitars to the snare, usually just use it to make sure the kick doesnt get buried

  • @broketoasteroven6724
    @broketoasteroven6724 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I think that alot of guitar players struggle with tone bc when we play live or at practice or just around the house there usually isn't any low/high pass going on so they are used to hearing more lows and highs from the guitar that are generally cut down in a mix

  • @diegolatorre6793
    @diegolatorre6793 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Well the producers who call me to the studio to recommend complicated things are often happy with my suggestions as it makes the each sound proganize and not lose dynamics. The thing all guitar player love, protagonization.

  • @kylanmcnichols6525
    @kylanmcnichols6525 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    One thing I would add to getting virtual bass to gel in a mix with guitars, is the less busy the part, the better it tends to sound. Too busy and you can generally tell the bass is fake at least speaking for Odeholm nuclear bass.

  • @KoffyGG
    @KoffyGG 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Could you do this for bass?

  • @DonRyanMusic
    @DonRyanMusic 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Man, I swear...this is totally true. And it's not even just guitar players - it seems to be audio production people in general.
    Yesterday, I had a full-blown meltdown as I was about to start mixing a track that had Superior Drummer on it. For some drum kits on there, it is a GIANT pain to bounce out the tracks because they not only have individual track processing and bus processing going on, but even parallel processing. So in order to bounce out each drum sounding the way you're actually hearing it, you need to re-route everything just right within Superior Drummer. There's no simple, straightforward way to just get the drums out of Superior Drummer exactly as you hear them.
    Again, that's only for some kits. But WHY?! haha! I got so annoyed I actually just stopped myself from mixing for the day. I was in the perfectly wrong mindset to be creative at that point.
    Why do audio people LOVE complicating everything so much?!

    • @FrightboxRecording
      @FrightboxRecording  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Been there many many times!

    • @DonRyanMusic
      @DonRyanMusic 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@FrightboxRecording Haha! So maddening. Why do audio people love self-owns so much?!🤣

  • @chrisknight3734
    @chrisknight3734 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    One GOOD mic positioned well, a little low cut and then if the tone isn't working with the mix, subtly cut everything but the presence peak. In general, any reason to add more mics or overdubs (of same part) can be solved in a different way.

  • @lousekoya1803
    @lousekoya1803 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    great video , may I ask what plugin did you use for guitar ?

  • @darrenguitar
    @darrenguitar 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    For rythmns i do 1 hard left + right and leads in the middle

  • @teashea1
    @teashea1 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You have great perspective.

  • @SoundKilterStudio
    @SoundKilterStudio 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The key to using 2 mics is to blend them going into the interface. If someone has already said that, sorry for the repeat. But I learned this from Ulrich Wild and it saves a LOT of time and headache. It completely removes the issue of altering and second guessing the tone throughout the mix.

  • @budgetguitarist
    @budgetguitarist 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Agree 100%. I spend a month learning my HX Stomp, and then made 30 patches. Of those, there are 6 that I use all the time now. It's very easy to just dial up one of those patches and record.

  • @marclewism
    @marclewism 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I do quad track to thicken the last chorus😁

  • @MIGUEL-1984
    @MIGUEL-1984 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks a ton Bobby! The pdf file is titled "CRIPS & Clear" btw lmao

  • @aquilarossa5191
    @aquilarossa5191 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    "Less is more" - Yngwie J Malmsteen left the conversation.

  • @timcwalker
    @timcwalker 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What song at 7:55??????????????????????????????????/

    • @FrightboxRecording
      @FrightboxRecording  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's a song called "Valentina" by a new band called Raising Arizona. The single will be released later this month. You can check out their YT channel here: www.youtube.com/@raisingarizonaband

    • @timcwalker
      @timcwalker 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks!@@FrightboxRecording

  • @leosteinhausbass
    @leosteinhausbass 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That bit at 4:55 made me mad lol
    great video dude!

  • @TheTimeProphet
    @TheTimeProphet 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I do a highpass EQ on the electric guitar to let the Bass come through.

  • @BlazonStone
    @BlazonStone 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    When automating guitar levels (for example), do you do it only on the individual tracks or group bus, or sometimes on both on different places?
    Or do you sometimes use VCA faders?

    • @oldguysplaymetal5517
      @oldguysplaymetal5517 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Not too sure what Bobby does, but I almost always automate both on individual tracks and then to a much lesser degree, the entire guitar bus. If I nail it in the individual tracks (which is often done to get perfect left/right balance) then I don't need to do much on the bus at all. One example Bobby gives here is automating the rhythm tracks down -1 to 2 db on individual tracks but not the bus, so as to leave the relationship between lead and rhythms. Another example is automating the bus up or down when there's a dynamic change from say, a verse to a chorus or big vocal part that needs all guitars moved down to make room. Hope that helps

    • @BlazonStone
      @BlazonStone 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@oldguysplaymetal5517 Ah but I usually have my rhtyhm lead and solos on three different buses. xD
      Because I usually export stems wherer I want them separate

    • @SelfPoisonBand
      @SelfPoisonBand 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Bobby has reviewed this when he has talked about automation. He will usually just use buss automation. There is a reason to automate just the buss or just a sample too, lets say on a verse your drums are just smashing the whole piece, their too present, then you could automate them down just a DB or 2 in that section. Then lets say in the next piece you have a chorus, and everything is hitting great, but,noe for some reason the snare is just smashing loud over everything else. Okay. Instead of automating the entire buss track, just automate the snare down a db or 2 on its own insert/send. Bam, there you go, 2 great examples of when to use buss automation and when to use individual sample automation.

    • @FrightboxRecording
      @FrightboxRecording  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I do both.

  • @TheSeanBartlett
    @TheSeanBartlett 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    When I track a song, I start With the Drum Track first then bring up the vocals and add Bass then Guitars of course I mostly do Pop.

  • @gumbilicious1
    @gumbilicious1 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I am not a super prolific recording guitarist, but I get tracks done whereas I see most of my peers failing. I hear a lot of over complicating from them, and the questions I get from them about my recordings are generally things I don’t care about, like:
    ‘what channel strip settings and mics did you use on the guitars”
    My answers are always underwhelming, “it’s just a 57 direct into the interface”
    Q: did you use that guitar and amp setup
    A: I try to use guitars and amps I haven’t used in a while, I just randomly picked a guitar and plugged it through amps until I was happy
    My advice if someone wants to complete tracks, simplify your approach

  • @bb-r7t
    @bb-r7t 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    any time i have tried to quad track, i get phasing issues, even with different guitars and amps. panning one set in helps a little. i don't know how pros are layering guitar tracks (like green day for example, brings in more guitars in the chorus). how do they do that without phasing issues?

    • @alrecks619
      @alrecks619 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      if you plan to quad track, make sure that you play as consistent as possible, a little bit of editing also helps. for layering guitar tracks they usually play double stops rather than the same part again.

    • @FrightboxRecording
      @FrightboxRecording  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Exactly.

  • @WildWildWeasel
    @WildWildWeasel 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    And here's me plugging in my cheapo ME-25 multi effects to my interface and right into Waveform with no plugins 😂

  • @oldguysplaymetal5517
    @oldguysplaymetal5517 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    One thing that has always been a challenge is when I am tracking guitar using the "low latency mode" in Logic. I'm really liking the Bogren digital one knob series of amps and they do use up some processing. The sound we monitor is much thinner than when low latency is turned off, but I then get so much latency its about 20-40 millisec behind. Do you have this issue with Reaper and how do you track if so? Any other suggestions for getting the exact sound we hear in the full amp sim without it changing after its recorded?

    • @benstanfill363
      @benstanfill363 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Make sure to remove any heavy plugins you don't need. I remove my entire master chain and I remove my virtual tape machine instances (they are heavy af) and I have no problems recording with a large buffer size and tons of other plugins. I use logic also. I think I have 12ms or so latency? Not enough to notice.

    • @oldguysplaymetal5517
      @oldguysplaymetal5517 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks, man. I probably don't pay enough attention to turning off plug ins while tracking. Its good advice. @@benstanfill363

  • @deltavistastudio124
    @deltavistastudio124 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Good info. Thanks! +1 REAPER

  • @GCKelloch
    @GCKelloch 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It's a good idea to set levels too high, then too low, then less too high, less too low to hone in on what sounds right. The brain handles reference points better than gradual adjustments. Studio engineers do it.

  • @skippertheeyechild6621
    @skippertheeyechild6621 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Quad tracking guitars is just nuts. I don't know how anyone has the patience to do that.

    • @lylaznboi01
      @lylaznboi01 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Unfortunately, my band does that even though I genuinely feel like it's not needed. We do a mixture of rock and punk rock. Their idea of it is that it makes the guitars sound bigger and "Green Day does it." One guitar player does their double track and another guitar player does another two. I told them that if you want it to stick out, don't do the same thing. One person is mainly doing power chords while the lead guitar player does something else to help compliment the rhythm. So it kinda works, but felt like unnecessary work.

  • @justinreynolds3935
    @justinreynolds3935 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I try not look at levels in my tracks when mixing volume. Ears are the key. Don't go in the red while tracking and go. For the guitar mic question a e609 is great can mic. Behringer makes a clone for 1/3 price that is killer. Automate for sections people. So much easier then trying to make levels hotter etc. during certain sections. Automation is not talked about enough for some reason!!!

  • @dremcfleuve
    @dremcfleuve 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    5:11 imo, it's a phase issue, when the timing of the bass is tight enough to be in phase you can basically raise the volume of the bass up as much as you want without throwing your mix out of balance

  • @mrr5835
    @mrr5835 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think the Mondragon guy is really asking: how do i make one guitar player sound like two different guitar players with unique tones (and make those blend). Just a guess 😁

  • @metalinsights9664
    @metalinsights9664 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    If you have a good base tone, not even the mistakes Bobby mentions in this video can screw it up. But therein lies the problem. Good heavy guitar tone is very difficult to achieve in the first place, let alone capture. I've tried the standard thing with a guitar going into a Marshall, ranging from the DSL to the 6100, into a cabinet, ranging from an MX112 to a 1960A, picked up by an SM57 at dust cap edge, and also every other conceivable placement known to man, and none of it ever got me close to the sounds I hear on isolated tracks from professional recordings. Too muddy, too spiky in the highs, too thin, to sharp, too fizzy, too wooly, too boomy, and the list goes on. Although I value Bobby's advice-after all, I follow his channel and take to his advice very seriously-he, like many other authority figures on TH-cam, tends to underestimate the challenge of getting a good guitar tone. The day that someone can recreate a convincing recreation of Maiden's guitar tone on Piece of Mind, my gold standard for good basic metal tone, with a simple set up (guitar, amp, maybe a few pedals, a decent cab, and an SM57), is the day I will eat my words. Until then, I am sticking to my position that pro producers trivialize the challenge of getting good heavy guitar tones.

  • @TheRobGuard
    @TheRobGuard 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Deal with rumble and resonances (unnatural "room" tones) before even starting with mixing the tracks together. It changes everything imo! Its the only way to get that nice, polished mix. No strange tones poking through destroying the natural sound of the instrument and vocal. Its before mixing (EQ boosting/cutting, compression, saturation, modulation, etc). Reaveal the true sounds of your instruments/vocals before mixing them together! It will sound so much clearer, punchier, balanced, etc without even having started to mix! Mixing will become so much more joyful and just involve taste, vibe, etc. Rumble and resonances are the true demons. When thats done you wont need all that much EQ boosting/ cutting, compression, modulation, saturation, reverb, etc. It will always sound good no matter what!

    • @FrightboxRecording
      @FrightboxRecording  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I'm gonna be honest, I've recorded in some of the worst spaces imaginable and I've never had this issue. Maybe I just got lucky 1,437 times in a row. I think you'll find these videos interesting: th-cam.com/play/PLTrEDmZWWNjvhpSRmhdI23_8b4D5Y-Etv.html

  • @66fitton
    @66fitton 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Cool!

  • @teashea1
    @teashea1 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The performance is 90%. Mixing, effects etc are almost trivial in comparison.

  • @guitarz99
    @guitarz99 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Biggest problem with home studio recordings is weak vocals and shitty songs

  • @SterlingJergens
    @SterlingJergens 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    "download multitracks from your favorite bands and listen to what their source tones sound like in isolation"... where would you find multitracks like that?

    • @alrecks619
      @alrecks619 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Nolly released It's only smiles and wildfire stems from Periphery a while back, the catch is that there's no drums.

  • @teashea1
    @teashea1 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Amen. They stomp the ants while the elephants are running around wild.

  • @HerringboneRecords
    @HerringboneRecords 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It's about the SOUND...it's Music. It's not about Twisting Knobs, it's about LISTENING... The truth is that if you need multiple Mics to get your sound you really just need a better Mic or Pre or better positioning. KEEP IT SIMPLE, STUPID.....👍😁

  • @JamesJones-th3ml
    @JamesJones-th3ml 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    YOU SURE DO COMPLAIN A LOT! What if We have no tone problem with our guitar recording???? HAHAHA

  • @TheDragonDeacon
    @TheDragonDeacon 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Paying attention to things that make our tone better doesn't "hold us back". Once again, an ill-informed and over-stupified video because you can't come up with anything useful or valuable. This is where I unsub.

    • @peptoattack
      @peptoattack 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      If you want to produce better records, being picky with stuff that are hardly going to make any difference in the context of a mix, yeah, I'd say it is in fact holding you back. And that's the exact point of the video. Make the tone "good enough" and then make the whole mix shine. It will feel like it's an amazing tone if it fits just fine.

    • @benstanfill363
      @benstanfill363 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@peptoattackjust like Glenn fricker points out all the time. Why waste money and time on things you won't notice, or will barely notice when there's other, more noticeable changes to be made.