My GUY, growing up listening to your god-tier post-hardcore mixes I never thought I'd get this insight straight from the source. At this point, I will admit that I have picked up a lot of these tips either through hours of tutorial digging or hours of experimentation, but the sauce is all here, and clear, and from the man himself. Thanks Joey.
On a quad track recording I particularly like the blend between 2 tracks recorded on a bridge humbucker and 2 recorded on neck+bridge splited coils. Great blend with the seymor ducan sentient/nazgul.
Man, Sturgis is the frikkin god of metal mixing and tone. Toneforge Jeff Loomis changed my life. And this video was a game changer for my guitar sound, not just the double/quad tracking but also the use of atmospheric cleans and the use of effects to create texture. We bow in awe.
Great vid one of the best I’ve seen regarding multiple guitar tracking! As a studio and touring guitarist first from the late 70s hard rock 80s glam,metal and virtuoso and still playing I have always struggled with getting that big sound with separation definition and clarity God knows I have everything from radial for RE-amping, axe Fx and every plug-in emulator available, Ox box, Torpedo, tons of vintage heads and cabs some great mics But no goddamn patience! I’m also very interested in this Mutt Lange technique Thanks
Thank you for the info! When quad tracking, do you hard pan guitars 3 and 4? Or do you bring them inward more? Maybe even expanded further out? Or do they sit on top of the already hard panned guitars 1 and 2? Thank you!
Nice video! Trying to break into metal production and this helps alot. There are plenty of techniques I've used dozens and dozens of times before but its nice to see them being repeated here. Thanks!
What would I do without these videos... But Joey, could you maybe do a video about the important balance between the Bass and guitars (especially in the more heavy-ish genres)? "The key to a great guitar tone, is the bass" is a quote I think I once heard in one of the many URM Academy videos on YT
Mann I just found this channel by chance... This is hands down my favourite mixing/producing channel! It's like watching a TV show and it is everything Nail the Mix should have been! Focused and to the point!!
The lead guitar section was SUPER useful - thanks Joey! I'd been struggling with lead guitars so this helps give me a little bit of a foundation to come up with something unique. Thanks again!
Great video. Any suggestions how to approach guitar layers and pan for rhythm guitars on verser if the guitars play harmonies for melody notes during the riff but falls back on the same "chugg base note" in between? Like old school In flames etc. Does this require 4 layers, two for each harmony and panned like L100 R 75 for one of them and R100 and R75 for the other or something since you still want the harmony notes to be clearly panned to each side
How would you go about panning the guitars where there is 2 distinct guitar parts? Such as harmony guitar riffs etc? I get the double track each guitar and pan L+R but how would this work for harmonies that are panned L+R without having both parts of the harmony in both ears? Hopefully I've explained this well enough 😅
I love guitar left high end thinner, right guitar high end like thinner, duplicate left and right then make the guitars more thick mid range and blend them in all together. 100/100 high end 76/76 thick end. 🤘
For me the biggest challenge when it comes to double tracked guitars is mono compatibility. For some reason my guitars seem to disappear in mono, even when they sound very different. I know I'm not alone with this, many people seem to have the same issue on forums. When I switch to mono, suddenly the snare and the vocals jump out waaay too much. Any advice?
My understanding is it's kind of the nature of the beast. Panloss settings can affect this from what I've heard. But a surprising amount of professional tracks disappear in mono. Listen to your favorite metal tracks and see how they do in mono. It's actually quite surprising. Another thing you can do is switch out what cabinet you're using for each track, which is really only possible if you're doing it with amp sims like Joey. Another thing to keep in mind: the vast majority of people are going to be listening to the song stereo.
What would you suggest for a verse where it’s basically just the rhythm part and bass with no lead guitar? Think like the first verse in Run Away by For All Those Sleeping
Gruv gear sells stuff for $20 or more, but I've found that a velcro cable tie with the loop side on the strings does the same job, and you can get a huge roll of them for the same price. But the specialized products are more aesthetically pleasing. Don't forget the tremolo springs as well.
My GUY, growing up listening to your god-tier post-hardcore mixes I never thought I'd get this insight straight from the source. At this point, I will admit that I have picked up a lot of these tips either through hours of tutorial digging or hours of experimentation, but the sauce is all here, and clear, and from the man himself. Thanks Joey.
melodic death core
melodic death core
Pretty much exactly what I thought when I found out he had tutorials on TH-cam!
This video is a wealth of knowledge! Probably one of the best channels out here!
This is the information I needed in my life.
Always wanted to figure out how to layer rhythm guitars properly!
ikr, it's very hard to find these stuff for metal music around internet. That mono compatibility trick is what I needed
very hard to find anything metal and modern 😂💀
I learn more in the 9 minutes your video last, than in years trying wrong ideas, SUPER GREAT VIDEO.
This was so helpful. I was wondering about quadruple layering in choruses too, and now I’m excited to do it and alter the tone a bit. Thanks!
Glad it was helpful!
Do you hard pan all the tracks? Do you ever do like 80% left and right for specific stuff? Always was curious about that.
Your channel is helping me with my guitar production so much, thank you.
That's awesome! Keep rockin!
On a quad track recording I particularly like the blend between 2 tracks recorded on a bridge humbucker and 2 recorded on neck+bridge splited coils. Great blend with the seymor ducan sentient/nazgul.
I would love to watch a live stream of Joey editing/mixing a song
He did on nail the mix a bunch. He even did a more recent one with attack attack’s new song
Nail the mix or Creative Live
I've seen it before
Count me in!
second that 🙌🏻
So many great tips in just one video! Amazing as always!
Some of my favorite guitar layering is what Ken Andrew’s did on Failure’s Fantastic Planet… so good.
I’d be interested to see how you would mix a indie rock band.
Man, Sturgis is the frikkin god of metal mixing and tone. Toneforge Jeff Loomis changed my life. And this video was a game changer for my guitar sound, not just the double/quad tracking but also the use of atmospheric cleans and the use of effects to create texture. We bow in awe.
Reaper "licensed for personal/small business use", eh ? 😅
Good catch lol
shhhhhh ;)
Well this is sad to see tbh
The song you featured in this video is BANGER! Very Scandinavian melodic style, love it.
I never thought of processing my FX post-record on the DI... Thank you!
Please make more of these. Like... so many. I'll give you a hug and a free song.
Excellent - thank you
Fantastic Video! Thank you!
Great vid one of the best I’ve seen regarding multiple guitar tracking!
As a studio and touring guitarist first from the late 70s hard rock 80s glam,metal and virtuoso and still playing I have always struggled with getting that big sound with separation definition and clarity
God knows I have everything from radial for RE-amping, axe Fx and every plug-in emulator available,
Ox box, Torpedo, tons of vintage heads and cabs some great mics
But no goddamn patience!
I’m also very interested in this Mutt Lange technique
Thanks
I totally forgot that the amount of layers affect the size of the overall mix. I feel dumb after that one but this will help me so much!
Thank you for the info! When quad tracking, do you hard pan guitars 3 and 4? Or do you bring them inward more? Maybe even expanded further out? Or do they sit on top of the already hard panned guitars 1 and 2? Thank you!
Wait, was that “All My Life” by Attack Attack! I heard?? 👀
Yes!
Great channel, my new favorite place to check out with a cup of joe
So good tutorial video.
Great info here, for sure
Nice video! Trying to break into metal production and this helps alot. There are plenty of techniques I've used dozens and dozens of times before but its nice to see them being repeated here. Thanks!
Glad it was helpful!
Hey man,really loved your way.
Could you please explain that rhythm section chop in a brief.
Thanks.
Awesome tips. Thanks man.
Thank you, Joey! Very informative video!👏
This was very helpful. Noticed my mistakes right away. Thank you!!!
What would I do without these videos...
But Joey, could you maybe do a video about the important balance between the Bass and guitars (especially in the more heavy-ish genres)?
"The key to a great guitar tone, is the bass" is a quote I think I once heard in one of the many URM Academy videos on YT
Great Video!! Thank You!
Mann I just found this channel by chance... This is hands down my favourite mixing/producing channel! It's like watching a TV show and it is everything Nail the Mix should have been! Focused and to the point!!
I love the tone you achieve with the guitar, it reminds me a lot of Cathedral! Cheers!
This is pure gold man
Great hints. Thanks
That's a treasure chest of information, thank you for sharing!
Lots of good tips here!
Thanks dude this is so useful!
Glad it helped!
Sounds amazing Joey thanks
The thickening 🤘🏽
2:47 is this attack attack? sounds like a riff from the newer ep
I always quad track my rythem guitar tracks for the chorus and then double track in the verse
You‘re awesome! Thank you!
when you quad track, do you pan all of them hard left and right, or you spread along the pan ?
Wow! Thank you for this GREAT video! This opened my ears to create better-sounding guitars in my songs. Mucho Thanks!!
the song itself is amazing
Thanks for the tips Joey!
The lead guitar section was SUPER useful - thanks Joey! I'd been struggling with lead guitars so this helps give me a little bit of a foundation to come up with something unique. Thanks again!
Please make Toneforge available on the M1 chips! 😫
Always usefull tips, thanks JST!
REALLY COOL VIDEO!
Great video. Any suggestions how to approach guitar layers and pan for rhythm guitars on verser if the guitars play harmonies for melody notes during the riff but falls back on the same "chugg base note" in between? Like old school In flames etc. Does this require 4 layers, two for each harmony and panned like L100 R 75 for one of them and R100 and R75 for the other or something since you still want the harmony notes to be clearly panned to each side
How would you go about panning the guitars where there is 2 distinct guitar parts? Such as harmony guitar riffs etc? I get the double track each guitar and pan L+R but how would this work for harmonies that are panned L+R without having both parts of the harmony in both ears? Hopefully I've explained this well enough 😅
Thanks dude.
The single note chord building, insaneeee
Read: lazy guitar technique
I mean...or you could learn how to play...
Anyone know what Reaper theme this is ?
Helpful Lesson! Thanks!!!
What theme are you using in Reaper?
Using that high end Gio. Nice👌
Nice video! Very helpful 👌👌
Dat kul man 👌🏻
are all of the pannings hard left and right ? for leads also?? thanks
This is AMAZING!
Awesome video! Btw, how do you do that mouse selection around 1:45?
I love guitar left high end thinner, right guitar high end like thinner, duplicate left and right then make the guitars more thick mid range and blend them in all together. 100/100 high end 76/76 thick end. 🤘
how did u drag that track in mutt lang method? mine doesnt work. pls help
Is there a link to the song @ 8:29?
Do you double track at once or in separate takes??
Or phase cancel issue?
These were some cool tips!!
Joey the Legend!
Man, I really gotta stop watching your videos while I’m on a timeline…now I gotta go quad-track a chorus 😢
Anyone knows how to get the floating mixer like in 1:55?
right click on the mixer dock thumbnail... uncheck "dock mixer in docker" 😉
What is the name of the mic SIM unit did you say tunforge
Awesome! Quick question! If you have 2 guitarist doing different riffs, do you double them, hard pan? Then merge and Pan those 2 performances L R?
The double track performance dropping back a few ms with different mics were to I buy this from?
This man speaks fcking truth to power! 🤘
The man the legend the vst plug-in...
Whats that song on 3:00?
Joey giving away all the secrets.
How do you make this gradient color tracks???
The master of production ! Thanks for all.
a goldmine!
For me the biggest challenge when it comes to double tracked guitars is mono compatibility. For some reason my guitars seem to disappear in mono, even when they sound very different. I know I'm not alone with this, many people seem to have the same issue on forums. When I switch to mono, suddenly the snare and the vocals jump out waaay too much. Any advice?
My understanding is it's kind of the nature of the beast. Panloss settings can affect this from what I've heard. But a surprising amount of professional tracks disappear in mono. Listen to your favorite metal tracks and see how they do in mono. It's actually quite surprising.
Another thing you can do is switch out what cabinet you're using for each track, which is really only possible if you're doing it with amp sims like Joey. Another thing to keep in mind: the vast majority of people are going to be listening to the song stereo.
Pan law was what I meant
I'd like a tutorial on how you setup reaper to be so pretty!
Why doesn't the octave differences give the feeling of being out of tune? I've experimented with these and I always get the feel of out of tune.
sweet thank ya
What would you suggest for a verse where it’s basically just the rhythm part and bass with no lead guitar? Think like the first verse in Run Away by For All Those Sleeping
This is gold! 🤘😁 and... that's reaper? What skin? 😯
How come when I record guitars they sound terrible and quiet hard panned left and right, but sound good when panned like 75% or less?
Anybody know the song around 7:58? Melodic stuff!
I know this is an old post, but I really dig that too! Wish I knew who it was
I love u joey !
5:05 ok i steal that tremolo metal riff
When do you decide to track mono and track sterio ? Does it depend on the project / song your working on or is there another aspect to it ?
Weird question, but which Reaper theme is this? I love it
Smooth 6
@joeymusic thank you!!
great video especially about the tape/foam - any products on the market for this?
Gruv gear sells stuff for $20 or more, but I've found that a velcro cable tie with the loop side on the strings does the same job, and you can get a huge roll of them for the same price. But the specialized products are more aesthetically pleasing.
Don't forget the tremolo springs as well.
Do you pan the quad track guitars hard L and R or are you off setting a pair to like 75% or something?
What reaper pitch algorithm are you using for stretching the DIs?
Reapitch
How did you get reaper to look like that? I have the same theme I think but your colours are more vibrant
8:57 - That man right there is a God among men