The irony here is that priming white then washing is an old speed painting technique from before the days of contrast media. I think I still have some old sisters of battle I never finished from like 15 years ago that are still in that state
I am definitely a believer of tried and true ways, and not a fan of time-consuming fads like slapchop. It drives me nuts that that technique is so popular when older methods like this one, zenithal highlighting, and etc have been used successfully by painters for decades before. And I’m definitely not claiming this technique as my own. I acknowledged at the start of the video that someone else gave me this idea and gave full credit to them.
I was going to say the same thing. Props to him, though. It’s good to see someone excel at a technique that was new to them. When it comes to me and SpeedPaints / Contrasts, I suck. A buddy of mine is just like this guy- first time he touches speedpaints it looks amazing. What are y’all doing differently?
Mate... Slapchop is just a silly name attached to a much, much older technique called gresaille (grey scale) that's been used by artists for centuries. There's quicker ways of achieving similar results, but don't dismiss it as "new." it's just an old technique that people have rediscovered.
I've been doing this since I discovered similar techniques from military model painters. You can speed the process up even more by filling a container with your wash mix, and just dunking your miniatures head first into it. If your mix is runny enough, any excess will all pool down to base while it's drying, and you can basically shade whole platoon in the time it would take to dry rush a squad.
You can have a lot lesser graininess with dry brush if you switch to using texture palette instead of paper towels. I use self healing mat for that. Paradoxically dry brush doesn't want to be too dry 😀
I really like the drybrushed gritty look. I usually just use white for my slapchop and leave lots of places just black. After painting, I usually add some fine sawdust glue mix on the bases and then pigment powder (from crayons / similar). Quite often I just apply the pigment to the whole model, wash it off with something so that it is just in the recesses and then apply more to the legs & base in the end.
Thank you for sharing, wonderful concept. After the "black wash", as may have been suggested, you can always to a "dry brush" or add a few minutes by using "white ink" and carefully highlighting specific areas.
Thank you for this video. I will be using Splash Dash on certain miniatures in the future. I think they both have their uses, as Slap Chop can give a darker, grittier, almost Grimdark look, so I will be using that for Oathsworn and Deep Madness. Splash Dash can give a brighter look as there isn't as much darkness in the shading, so I will be using that method to paint minis for games like Okko Chronicles: Cycle of Earth and Wander: The Cult of Barnacle Bay.
Very nice idea and video! Since I love to drybrush, I'd think about a mid or light grey primer, white drybrushing, then washing the model (which should also blend the drybrush texture a bit) and then use speedpaint.
for blood rage I used this technique for all small minis: white primer and nuln oil. one video used this method to easily replicate the sundrop finish from awaken realms, I think he called it DIY sundrop. I also like zenithal as base for speedpaints, especially for large minis. in the end result the difference is not that significant in my opinion. but I always like comparisons like these, thank you!
I found a "new" method. welcome to the late 90's and thank the maker we don't have to use glazes anymore. good share and hopefully people that hate the slapchop method will see it.
@@foozbear603 yeah grisaille has been around for awhile. Both this and slapchop can both be argued as grisaille methods. I do prefer this or even zenithal over slapchop.
This is actually very smart, but I think these two technics should be used together! The slap-chop method is great for something like armor that should have a texture, while the splash-dash is great for clothes and other smooth and things. I think this is revolutionary!
I start to paint like a month ago and with my second figure I did that thing of paint it white and then apply wash because I think that could work for make shades, now I still make dry brush after the wash to get more white zones. I was wonder if someone in youtube tryed this too so im glad that i get by myself an idea that someone with more experience tryed too.
I was interested in slapchop but don’t like the stark contrasts, the shadows are too black and the models look too grimy for my taste. I thought about grey with white dry brush but had never seen it in action. I’ve recently been thinking about a wash so great to find this. I was thinking of a white prime, grey oil wash and then I can use sponge or q-tips to remove the wash from all of the surfaces, I suspect it’ll make a nice smooth surface colour while still offering the shading for the contrast. Anyone know any examples of this?
I've done this quite a bit and quite like it, although I do tend to build up from black to white wash and re highlight to get an amazing amount of depth. When I use the wash though I have special bottle I've mixed up of 50/50 dark tone and wash medium, it really flows and doesn't coffee stain by doing it with my mix.
This is a game changer. I haven't seen anyone else mention it but think about how much paint (and money) will be saved by not Dry Brushing and watering down the wash. Plus it is quicker.
I've been doing that too, but I dilute the blackwash and apply a second coat of diluted wash in the recesses only. It's way faster than dryb rushing and yields much better results.
Honestly until I made this video I had never seen this technique on TH-cam before. Which is what compelled me to make the video. It’s not originally my idea but I thought it was a neat suggestion. And I love using it now - and I’ve featured it in many of my other videos.
@craevhergames I use different techniques depending on my project. But here are a few I did that utilized the splash dash method: th-cam.com/video/TOpBCINZ9AE/w-d-xo.htmlsi=PC5RirhpQY5E_lBB th-cam.com/video/iU9XSCIu9x0/w-d-xo.htmlsi=LS5YdKFbMzNzju3g th-cam.com/video/RTgjWMBL6ik/w-d-xo.htmlsi=9M8X66J-pt7f0hG2 th-cam.com/video/eQVmQugb5v8/w-d-xo.htmlsi=2COpsqO3sV5wnvuD th-cam.com/video/vpEX3E15Jyk/w-d-xo.htmlsi=MlFUrCJDKZF-JDbr
i have a small gripe with this technique that I'm sad he didn't address which was the pooling at the bottom of the mini. if you look on the skirt of the uniform at 2:12 you can see the wash pooling there giving it a heavy shadow on that specific point. now of course 2 foot butiful rule applies but still
@@leon6er I don’t disagree. That can be mitigated by using less of the wash than I did or by cleaning up the puddling a little with a clean brush before it dries. But a lot of times, the speedpaints that go on afterwards are opaque enough to cover a lot of that.
@ hmm alright I might look into that. I will say it gives a much smoother result that I find really appealing so if it’s that easy of a fix I might try it
I moved away from slapchop. It is faster than standard painting and produces nice results on larger textured minis... But when doing smaller minis you just get really uneven black spots all over and its harder to hit certain areas even with a smaller brush. You also go through grey and white paint much faster. I use this method now, prime white, shade then paint. Looks better, is faster which you can use that extra time to take it even further if you want to. Never got why people say all of this is new though... Its ancient.
Right there’s a lot of repackaging and rebranding of old techniques. I’m not a huge slapchop fan myself. Takes much more time for not superior results.
i would have thought the wash would reactivate under a speed paint, nothing beats an air brush but i certainly understand the struggle of not having one, or even not having both a black and white primer, looks like a painted mini to me and that's leagues above some unpainted armys ive seen, nice tech
nice idea with the wash. but when I think about it the slapchop method is faster. With the right brushes it works wonderfully. I've never had such a strange result as shown. I don't want to offend you, but to me it looks like no great effort was made. So for comparison, slapchop is actually “dry” brushing. In my personal opinion, in the time it takes for the wash to dry, unless you use a hairdryer, I brushed 4 miniatures gray and white.
Fair point but my counterpoint is I usually batch paint around 10 or more models at a time. By the time I finish the 10th one the first one’s watch is dry and I’m ready to start painting.
Cool. Never knew it had a name. Will look that up! In any case it’s a fast and viable option that not many people use. Hopefully this helps give people another faster option to prep their minis.
So I actually just finished a set of 10 guardsman using this technique. Definitely a lifesaver and made painting actually enjoyable 😂 thank you so much 🙏
Nice video , but this ,,new ,,technique was called before pre shading however never seen it before done without airbrush. That's definitely new. Anyway we'll done 👍✅
great video brother...check this video series out by Hapsburger Donkey...he has this method mastered...similar to your new technique...this guy smokes it...great set of videos to paint an entire army...
Thanks for the compliment on the video, at least! What do you do instead? Simple primer, or something else? Anyway, with speedpaints or contrast paints, a white-ish canvass is super important so this method, zenithal highlighting with an airbrush, or a simple white prime works best for me. Slap chop works for some, but it’s not my thing.
I'm still amazed that no one picked up this method, and the new slop chop ideas are just diffrent primers. While here we have a real revolution.
Same! Hardly any videos of this being done but I think it looks way better than slapchop.
The irony here is that priming white then washing is an old speed painting technique from before the days of contrast media. I think I still have some old sisters of battle I never finished from like 15 years ago that are still in that state
I am definitely a believer of tried and true ways, and not a fan of time-consuming fads like slapchop. It drives me nuts that that technique is so popular when older methods like this one, zenithal highlighting, and etc have been used successfully by painters for decades before.
And I’m definitely not claiming this technique as my own. I acknowledged at the start of the video that someone else gave me this idea and gave full credit to them.
I was going to say the same thing. Props to him, though. It’s good to see someone excel at a technique that was new to them.
When it comes to me and SpeedPaints / Contrasts, I suck. A buddy of mine is just like this guy- first time he touches speedpaints it looks amazing.
What are y’all doing differently?
Every time i watch a slap chop video I can't help but think that. Why not prime grey or white, whatever and ink wash at the end?
Mate...
Slapchop is just a silly name attached to a much, much older technique called gresaille (grey scale) that's been used by artists for centuries.
There's quicker ways of achieving similar results, but don't dismiss it as "new." it's just an old technique that people have rediscovered.
I've been doing this since I discovered similar techniques from military model painters. You can speed the process up even more by filling a container with your wash mix, and just dunking your miniatures head first into it.
If your mix is runny enough, any excess will all pool down to base while it's drying, and you can basically shade whole platoon in the time it would take to dry rush a squad.
You can have a lot lesser graininess with dry brush if you switch to using texture palette instead of paper towels. I use self healing mat for that. Paradoxically dry brush doesn't want to be too dry 😀
That’s cool. I drybrush now and then depending on my project so I’ll definitely need to try a texture palette.
Handy little video, thanks mate
I really like the drybrushed gritty look. I usually just use white for my slapchop and leave lots of places just black. After painting, I usually add some fine sawdust glue mix on the bases and then pigment powder (from crayons / similar). Quite often I just apply the pigment to the whole model, wash it off with something so that it is just in the recesses and then apply more to the legs & base in the end.
Thank you for sharing, wonderful concept. After the "black wash", as may have been suggested, you can always to a "dry brush" or add a few minutes by using "white ink" and carefully highlighting specific areas.
Definitely! Extra highlighting can always take the mini the extra mile so yes if you have the time definitely highlight.
Thank you for this video. I will be using Splash Dash on certain miniatures in the future. I think they both have their uses, as Slap Chop can give a darker, grittier, almost Grimdark look, so I will be using that for Oathsworn and Deep Madness. Splash Dash can give a brighter look as there isn't as much darkness in the shading, so I will be using that method to paint minis for games like Okko Chronicles: Cycle of Earth and Wander: The Cult of Barnacle Bay.
Yup or you can use two coats of wash for the same darkness effect. Or not water the wash down so it’s more concentrated
Thanks for testing this out! I have been thinking a lot lately whether using a wash would work better but hadn't tried it.
No problem! I was curious too. I’m really happy how it turned out. Definitely faster, easier and better than slapchop
hoooo. seems a good technic...will try it now. thx for sharing
Very interesting, Chris. I'll have to try this out.
You can still go in with a final white drybrush after the wash is properly dry to catch sharp edges etc
That’s a good thought! The thinned down wash does allow a lot of the white primer to show so I don’t think it’s super necessary but it’s an option.
Very nice idea and video! Since I love to drybrush, I'd think about a mid or light grey primer, white drybrushing, then washing the model (which should also blend the drybrush texture a bit) and then use speedpaint.
for blood rage I used this technique for all small minis: white primer and nuln oil. one video used this method to easily replicate the sundrop finish from awaken realms, I think he called it DIY sundrop.
I also like zenithal as base for speedpaints, especially for large minis. in the end result the difference is not that significant in my opinion.
but I always like comparisons like these, thank you!
I found a "new" method. welcome to the late 90's and thank the maker we don't have to use glazes anymore. good share and hopefully people that hate the slapchop method will see it.
@@foozbear603 yeah grisaille has been around for awhile. Both this and slapchop can both be argued as grisaille methods.
I do prefer this or even zenithal over slapchop.
This is actually very smart, but I think these two technics should be used together! The slap-chop method is great for something like armor that should have a texture, while the splash-dash is great for clothes and other smooth and things. I think this is revolutionary!
I start to paint like a month ago and with my second figure I did that thing of paint it white and then apply wash because I think that could work for make shades, now I still make dry brush after the wash to get more white zones.
I was wonder if someone in youtube tryed this too so im glad that i get by myself an idea that someone with more experience tryed too.
I was interested in slapchop but don’t like the stark contrasts, the shadows are too black and the models look too grimy for my taste. I thought about grey with white dry brush but had never seen it in action. I’ve recently been thinking about a wash so great to find this.
I was thinking of a white prime, grey oil wash and then I can use sponge or q-tips to remove the wash from all of the surfaces, I suspect it’ll make a nice smooth surface colour while still offering the shading for the contrast. Anyone know any examples of this?
I've used Gloss Nuln Oil for this. Currently experimenting with an oil wash which really gets down in crevices. Seem good for mech and tanks at least.
Yeah the wash acts like panel lining on vehicles and mechs. Once contrast or speedpaints go on, it looks very good.
I was thinking of the same idea with an "oil wash". Can you apply Speed/Contrast on the "oil wash"? or do we need to varnish first?
Interesting technique. Thanks for sharing
I like the look of this technique. I may give it a go!
I've done this quite a bit and quite like it, although I do tend to build up from black to white wash and re highlight to get an amazing amount of depth.
When I use the wash though I have special bottle I've mixed up of 50/50 dark tone and wash medium, it really flows and doesn't coffee stain by doing it with my mix.
Yeah diluting the wash is key. It can be too much otherwise.
I thought about this methode but didn't see a video about it so I just assumed I was missing something
This is a game changer. I haven't seen anyone else mention it but think about how much paint (and money) will be saved by not Dry Brushing and watering down the wash. Plus it is quicker.
Very nice. And definitely can be done with more "abandon" than dry brushing
Yup! Much easier to just splash on wash!
WOW! Nice variation on a theme. Got to try it.
Great video, thanks. I've tried it myself today and was amazed how well it worked.
Yeah, it’s pretty cool. I’m glad it worked out for you as well!
OMG!!! I love this thank you….. wow soooo easy.
I've been doing that too, but I dilute the blackwash and apply a second coat of diluted wash in the recesses only. It's way faster than dryb rushing and yields much better results.
Nice. That’s a good approach too, two coats of wash. Makes the effect more dramatic.
I love the hard W on the pronunciation of SWORD.
Hey I am to please lol
Where can I find similar videos of this method? I find it interesting. It looks so smooth.
Honestly until I made this video I had never seen this technique on TH-cam before. Which is what compelled me to make the video.
It’s not originally my idea but I thought it was a neat suggestion. And I love using it now - and I’ve featured it in many of my other videos.
@@no.6minis really!? Are they labeled or titled in a particular way? Would really like to see more of it.
@craevhergames I use different techniques depending on my project. But here are a few I did that utilized the splash dash method:
th-cam.com/video/TOpBCINZ9AE/w-d-xo.htmlsi=PC5RirhpQY5E_lBB
th-cam.com/video/iU9XSCIu9x0/w-d-xo.htmlsi=LS5YdKFbMzNzju3g
th-cam.com/video/RTgjWMBL6ik/w-d-xo.htmlsi=9M8X66J-pt7f0hG2
th-cam.com/video/eQVmQugb5v8/w-d-xo.htmlsi=2COpsqO3sV5wnvuD
th-cam.com/video/vpEX3E15Jyk/w-d-xo.htmlsi=MlFUrCJDKZF-JDbr
@@no.6minis thanks! Will watch them now!
thanks for trying my thoughts.
And thank you for the suggestion!
Instead of black and white priming try priming with different color. E.g. dark blue and white for green minis, purple and white for red ones.
@@WinterWerewolf yup you can do that. Also, you can use different color washes on white primer.
I like the texture of the slap chop something about it pleases my eyes
Definitely. Everyone has different preferences, which makes the world various and interesting!
i have a small gripe with this technique that I'm sad he didn't address which was the pooling at the bottom of the mini. if you look on the skirt of the uniform at 2:12 you can see the wash pooling there giving it a heavy shadow on that specific point. now of course 2 foot butiful rule applies but still
@@leon6er I don’t disagree. That can be mitigated by using less of the wash than I did or by cleaning up the puddling a little with a clean brush before it dries. But a lot of times, the speedpaints that go on afterwards are opaque enough to cover a lot of that.
@ hmm alright I might look into that. I will say it gives a much smoother result that I find really appealing so if it’s that easy of a fix I might try it
I moved away from slapchop. It is faster than standard painting and produces nice results on larger textured minis... But when doing smaller minis you just get really uneven black spots all over and its harder to hit certain areas even with a smaller brush. You also go through grey and white paint much faster. I use this method now, prime white, shade then paint. Looks better, is faster which you can use that extra time to take it even further if you want to. Never got why people say all of this is new though... Its ancient.
Right there’s a lot of repackaging and rebranding of old techniques. I’m not a huge slapchop fan myself. Takes much more time for not superior results.
Right for me.
i would have thought the wash would reactivate under a speed paint, nothing beats an air brush but i certainly understand the struggle of not having one, or even not having both a black and white primer, looks like a painted mini to me and that's leagues above some unpainted armys ive seen, nice tech
The wash doesn’t re activate. Once dry it’s permanent.
I think this is a marvellous idea for people like me that hate painting 😂😂😂
What about a grey zenithal over black with a white drybrush?
@@TheMichaellathrop yeah that is another viable method.
What make is That Russian Officer figure? He would make a very good Commissar 😊😊😊
Merci beaucoup pour cette vidéo, simple et très claire. Technique rapide et efficace. 😁👍
nice idea with the wash. but when I think about it the slapchop method is faster. With the right brushes it works wonderfully. I've never had such a strange result as shown. I don't want to offend you, but to me it looks like no great effort was made.
So for comparison, slapchop is actually “dry” brushing. In my personal opinion, in the time it takes for the wash to dry, unless you use a hairdryer, I brushed 4 miniatures gray and white.
Fair point but my counterpoint is I usually batch paint around 10 or more models at a time. By the time I finish the 10th one the first one’s watch is dry and I’m ready to start painting.
I think the second mini would fall in the range of grisaille underpainting
Cool. Never knew it had a name. Will look that up! In any case it’s a fast and viable option that not many people use. Hopefully this helps give people another faster option to prep their minis.
What kind of ratio would you use for watering down the darktone?
80% wash and 20% water works good for this.
Does this technique only work with white primer? Can it be done with like a gray or tan primer?
@@ConfusedCat-ex5jq you can do it with other primers or base colors too. It depends on the effect or look you’re after.
So I actually just finished a set of 10 guardsman using this technique. Definitely a lifesaver and made painting actually enjoyable 😂 thank you so much 🙏
@@ConfusedCat-ex5jq awesome! you’re very welcome!
The undercoat isn't the problem. The speed paints are what makes it look bad. They create a very monotone look, really needs highlights.
Speedpaints do come out of the bottle richer and deeper colored. They’re meant to go over pure white primer.
Nice video , but this ,,new ,,technique was called before pre shading however never seen it before done without airbrush. That's definitely new.
Anyway we'll done 👍✅
great video brother...check this video series out by Hapsburger Donkey...he has this method mastered...similar to your new technique...this guy smokes it...great set of videos to paint an entire army...
You need water, that’s why it’s grainy
@@andreaambrosini9711 for slapchop? Most drybrushing is grainy by nature.
@@no.6minis yeah, even though I’ve never seen such grainy drybrush
It's not a new technique.
Didn’t say it was
Slap chop and it's bastard offspring are abominations. Presentation was good though...
Thanks for the compliment on the video, at least! What do you do instead? Simple primer, or something else?
Anyway, with speedpaints or contrast paints, a white-ish canvass is super important so this method, zenithal highlighting with an airbrush, or a simple white prime works best for me. Slap chop works for some, but it’s not my thing.