Not enough love for 114 and 115 series Mercedes.
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Finally, someone stands up for the most underrated and understated of all Mercedes series!
The OM616.916 240D is the best diesel /8 to own, especially in manual guise. It's an incredibly reliable car that handles better than any of the other models Pierre mentions as comparisons. Most people don't know that it revs to over 5400 rpms only in the W115, all while delivering well over 30 mpg! :)
That is what I have! It is the best
AND YES! it can really handle its amazing. I have bombed canyons in mine - all stock and keeps up around curves with modern cars (downhill mind you hahaha)
How much horsepower is it ?
I'm tempted by 114-5's, but I'm scared of noise when driven at highway speeds
I love you so much. You made me learn to appreciate and love my W123
Couldn’t agree more. I owned a 114 280 as my daily driver and it is a fabulous car to live with. I own a 108 and 107 and the 114 was a much better drive than the 108. Spacious and classy - one of the best value for money classics today.
The interior space in these compared to the exterior dimensions is unreal. I like how they're a little smaller than the W123, just the perfect size while still being spacious inside. I read somewhere they actually have the same interior room and cargo space as the W108/W109, just with a smaller exterior footprint. They are a packaging and engineering masterclass. Also the way the doors operate and shut is better than W123. They are jewels, and much more appreciated in Germany than in the US.
I have a 1974 w114 280 have had this car 23 years.has some rust spots on the lower passenger side front finder and some on the same side lower rear finder. All very repairable
this has been a great car
"Rust Never Sleeps" (Neil Young, 1979)
What is the mpg ? Carbu or inj ?
As they say, Mercedes W114/115 series assembly line started with the blower motor hanging from the factory ceiling and then they added parts to build the car from there.
Europe is a different story. 115 and especially well equipped 114s are sought after and cherished by owners. I dare to say more than the 123 is
yep...they are cause that have that real classic look
Theo, you’re right. They are seen a bit more often, and as good examples. That being said, most of Europe (Greece particularly) has a fantastic climate for cars. Dry heat, minimal snow, and no salt on roads. The north eastern US was a killer to these cars. Even south in Florida, I come across them, and they tend to be rotten (rusty).
thank you for bringing attention to the 114/115 its my favorite car to work on. i got lucky and found a rust free example.
Petrol or Diesel
I LOVE these as they were my first exposure to Mercedes in the early 1970s when I was in 1st grade. Our neighbor also had the more "winged" style sedan.
Once again, great video! I had a chance about 20 years ago to buy a 1970 220D, four-speed manual. Looked great. I drove it, and it drove just fine. Sounded good, the whole bit. $700. I've kicked myself for a long time for not buying that car!!! It would be so cool to have one today! Thanks for your video. We enjoy them all!
My father had one of the first 220D's in Chicago. He had a 35 mile one way commute in southern Chicago suburbs. When he heard they were were being replaced he got one of the last available 240D's in the Chicago area in late '74. That was the car I learned to drive on. (Think ahead plan your merging, and pay attention) that one was destroyed by a teenage neighbor who ran into it with a Ford stationwagon.
Thanks
Thanks Pierre. I have a 76 115d how could anyone ever! want to change out that motor ! Thanks i cant keep my eyes off mine.
Those cars are great
One of your best videos so far! I feel the same happens in Germany with the 114/115. I rarely see stunning original cars.
I have a stunning original car, aside from the paint which was color changed from the previous owner from light blue to red/Burgundy. 72' 250. Love the car
I have a W126 300SE and use as my daily drive here in Brazil
Love them, and see a fair amount of appreciation in the UK. That COULD be my perception only, from following that w114 content on social media etc
Pierre, it is an absolute pleasure to listen to your knowledge and passion. I am new to older Mercedes and you are inspiring. I was looking for a 123 and while looking at one actually stumbled onto a 115. In this case a 1969 220D. It is remarkably rust free and Signal Red, and for me being a manual was a big plus. Motor mount(s) are collapsed, but the car started and runs fine albeit in need of service. The car cleaned up very well and I have ordered mounts and will go from there. I'm not sure what happened, and I'm sure I paid more than I should have, but the car and I connected, and I really love good bodies as I cannot do paint or body. Basically the car needed to be saved and I am going to do it. Thanks for your tremendous resource, I have already learned much.
Have a ‘70 250. Most of these cars didn’t survive Southern Ontario road salt. My example was mostly winter stored. Still not mechanically perfect but respectable. Pierre, wish you were up here. Paul
'74 W114 230.6 owner here 😁👍
Pierre, I think you answered all of your questions in your opening statements. Rust here, rust there, there is rust everywhere, roofs are OK, interiors are not that great, plus the amount of work you have to do to rebuild the front suspension, etc.
The Mercedes-Benz W114/W115 was the mid-sized saloon model for Mercedes, positioned below the S-Class.
Could of should of with the 3.5 engine but they didn't.
interiors have held up even till today in a lot of examples I see here in California.
In Sweden the w114/115 is called Compakt because of it's smaller measurements compared to both it's predecessor and successor. I have a -76 240D Lang with column shift, quite common as school taxis back in the day.
These are actually my absolute favorite body style! Wish I had one!
In Indonesia they called /8, Mini; due to people back then compared W108 vs W115-114 which were smaller in size and more compact design wise. Great video, keep up the good work Pierre 🍻
I love my 76 240d and it will get some attention this summer. Just pulled it out today as a matter of fact. It fired right up. My 1970 220 gasser is a hoot to drive also. My problem is I keep having great Mercedes fall in my lap. I sort them out a little at a time. I’m set for the next 20 years. Thanks for all your work, and I love your opinionated direct delivery. Right on! Jed
Title reminded me of "Not Enough Love In the World" (Don Henley, 1985)
owner of a w114 coupe in maple yellow with m110 185hp in England, nice listening to you.... i got mine from Japan
Man you say the truth the w114-115 series are underrated from the beginning but it is the most beautyful car i saw in my entire life!!! Btway every Mercedes-Benz is a steel jewel!!! But the w114-115 serie woooaaaw!!!
I have a w114 280ce with history from new that I plan to restore to original spec. Keeping original interior(needs cleaning only), and driveline with only 140,000kms. Has its share of rust but still runs and drives. This car will be a keeper. I'm in Western Australia.
That's me, lol! I bought a W11T '74 240D in high school when I was 18. I'm now 24 and it still doesn't run and still working on it. I swapped a floor from another parts car and it's now completely rust free. I put on new doors last month. It needs a new paint job, the motor mounts are falling apart, brakes are shot, and needs a new wiring harness. It certainly is a money pit.
A buddy of mine in Michigan has been a longtime owner of a couple of 114s, coupè & sedan, the latter he bought new. He has kept them original, with the exception of adding Dynamat to the coupè, which really quieted the interior at highway speed (the original rear end). Roomy interiors and spacious trunks. He agrees that the /8 doesn’t get the love of the R107 or other two-seaters. He’ll never sell them cause they’re like family.
I had two of these 15 years ago and even in Australia they rusted and badly as badly as Alfa Romeos, mainly in the firewall. Both of mine had these and I could not get these repaired without an engineering certificate in this country. As a result the cost of ownership at the time was beyond me so I flipped both for a 123.
That was probably the best car of the bunch .
This is only true in the US. In the rest if the world they are treasured. InGernany there are two clubs just for W114/115. Many of the nicer cars have been reimported to Germany.
These cars are very nice looking. Currently I have the W123 1981 240d but these cars once in a while will be seen in our area of the San Joaquin Valley of California.
I love my 1970 w114. Threw the rod in it on father's day and trying to decide what to do motor wise. I have a 1jz and transmission sitting at a friend's shop, so I might just go that route. I know the purest hate that type of thing, but to each there own. I also own a 1972 BMW 2002 and the BMW purest are pretty crazy also. Some may say that doing such a swap ruins the car, but I actually saved the car from the previous owner that was just leaving it to rot on the side of the house. I still may rebuild the original motor, but the cost to rebuild it just doesn't make sense, when I also have to fix the transmission. The w114 and w115 are very underrated, and as much as I love stock, a modified w114/w115 just looks great just as well.
I have a 73 280 that I bought for $600. No floor or trunk pan rust. Of course it needs all the seals which I bought. Color is Maple yellow with avocado interior. I believe it only has 63K on it. I do plan on a mechanical restoration and a repaint in the same color. My first project is getting my 76SLC on the road. That one is getting a 5.6 M117 conversion. Bought a wrecked 88 107 and will make one good car from 2.
I own a w114 250c automatic .
The gearbox is extremely short, 4th top gear makes 60mph at 3500rpm, the engine roars !
I think a lower diff ratio is needed....
I’m currently bringing a W115 back from the dead. It started out bad. The dealer in Texas that I purchased it from lied about everything. He said it ran and it had no rust which was BS. Fortunately for me the rust is contained to the floorboards. I have purchased new factory style floors panels. I purchased a used engine that is supposedly good but I’ve been lied to for everything I’ve purchased so who knows if it’s good. I’ve gone through the cluster and restored it completely. I’m waiting for the clock to come back from the repair shop. You’ll be happy to know it’s going back bone stock down to the painted hubcaps. It’s a 1968 model blue with non headrest gray interior. Any advice you can offer would be greatly appreciated.
Sounds like a nice spec and worthy of a restore. Good luck.
I’m 28 and I just bought my first 220 1972 black on red interior
Beautiful Body Style....I drove a 1973 250 sedan that was wonderful except the super short first gear in the automatic seemed out of place..
The style and power was great,,,Seatbelts were anachronistic though.
Thank you Pierre for such great info and the love you show for the best-built cars ever. Where can I find such reasonably priced classic MBZs for sale? Any suggestion? Please advise. Thanks again, and keep up the good work, your channel is the best informative one on TH-cam.
I'm lovein my w116. It's my first mercy.
It's been sitting 20yrs. I'm going threw it slowly.
DRC. ;)
Hi, thanks for these videos. Could you please do a video on the power steering box fitted to the W115 and many other Mercedes models of the era. Can they be repaired and if so, how? Many thanks
There is a rusty, white 74 W115 sitting at the back of a small private car dealer here in New Brunswick. I asked him his intentions, he said, strip it for parts. I cried. If only I had the money to rescue it. Ughh!
W114/115s don’t get love for the same reason early 123s don’t get love: they lack the turbo diesel engine. That’s the only thing stupid people look for in an older benz. First thing you hear them ask (with a very dumb voice): “Is it a turbo?”, No, “Oh I was looking for a turbo”.
That or “Can I add a Turbo to a 240D?”
They make me sick. They don’t appreciate any virtue of a classic Mercedes. All they want is a turbodiesel car because they think is going to be economical, fast and won’t require any care. I don’t know why they don’t get a Peugeot instead. Nobody cares if a car of that brand gets trashed.
I AM BUYING THIS BOOK!
I got a ‘70 250C that I love. The carburetors are a mess to figure out, but other than that it’s going well. Rust isn’t a problem with that one. The again, it’s only seen rain once in the past 8 years I had it.
I am curious what type of octane do you use?
Hey! I’m restoring a 74 280E w114. I bought it at an online auction in New Zealand. Shipped it to Malaysia 3 years ago. It’s near complete. We are upgrading the ECU to a 123 /116 fuel distribution and electronic ignition. Keeping the original colours expect that I’ve taken liberty with the exterior green and made it an almost period correct pastel green. Interior will be restored How do I send you photos and videos? Best, David
Find me a good one and I promise to love it to death. Promise.
Japan has nice Dry ones..... low mileage
I love the w114/115 more than the W123. They look way cooler and in my opinion are easier to work on. The big problem, as much as I love them, is they are rust out really badly. My 1975 has so much rust I did a lot of work to it and haven’t gotten around to finishing it. Rusted trunk floor, fenders, rockers, floors, rear subframe, and rear quarter panels
Was the book you mention James Taylor’s book? His work on the W123 was great…
My 114 had me hooked on MB’s.
I await your thoughts now on the 124 cab.
Hi Pierre, another great video. Do these have much in common with the w116? My observation is w116s seem to fare better in terms of rust etc than the w114s and w115s. I have a Euro 280SE which performs really well, I have heard the early w114 280E is quite a fast car indeed.
Has the book been published?
Pierre..ive got a rusty 280E-1974.. that i bought in New Zealand which is coming to Scotland..rust everywhere as u said..except C pillars..Im gonna have to find the German company that do'se repair panels..I used to live there..and Ive seen what the Germans will do to recover W114-5s...makes mine not to bad...
That’s a great car and you should save it
I had a 1969 250 which barely survived the ravages of my brother driving it. In the end, the rust is what terminated my ownership, though it did go on to somebody else who intended to restore it. It was a damn good car despite the rust, and I have to admit one of the ugliest Mercedes ever. I still want a 250c or 280c though. I especially miss the old Becker Europa radio.
Hi Pierre - I’ve recently bought 1971 250c - in very good condition. Ivory with blue top and blue interior. It was previously owned by someone in Arizona. Very simple question here - what octane gasoline would you use ? The carburetors are not “zenith” but upgraded.
Can you do a video on the 06 CLS 500? Pros and cons. Thanks.
The coupes are doing ok price wise. A lot better than the sedans.
I really like the 115s, but it sounds like I better finish my 123 before I dive into one of those!
if you like working on a w123 you will love working on w115
You're right about rust.
You mention rear end replacement for better MPGs. What options would you suggest?
Hi pierce what’s the book called also I am based in U.K which company is best for restoration or body work
Question. I am Putting together a W114 250C project. The original engine has not ran in over a decade and the car needs a complete interior but the body is completely rust free. So I am going to put a low mileage M113 engine out of a CL500 and a manual transmission in the car and keep the original engine and transmission. My question is: which manual transmission would be the best choice ?
Googling images of these, I see so many that have been lowered. How sad.
Out here in Australia, the exception is the 280E and coupe models that are both valuable and highly desirable. I don't think you got models like the 280E, 250CE and 280CE models like we did. With 185hp on tap, the 280E has much better performance than the W123 as our smog laws started in 1976, and the 123s have about 150-160hp. I agree that the more pedestrian models like a 230.4 for example have minimal value. This is the same as a W123 230 carby though. It is sad to see so many slammed and bagged, mostly poor old 250 or 230 models.
ah yes the rust is horrible. i bought a 1974 240d last year with barely any visible rust. i thought i could daily drive it and after just one salty Pennsylvanian winter the rear floor was completely gone. i think the problem was the thick shutchz undercoating they used. it trapped in moisture. and also alot of those cars have leaky window gaskets that lets water in rusting them from the inside out. im currently in the process of fixing the rust on my car.
BMW guys: "Yeah it's a totally factory stock E30 M3, it just has a turbo S54 and cut springs."
I pray my 114/115 coupe 3.5/716.100 project comes to fruition one day. That drivetrain has to end up in something...
I have a 72 w115 220d, Europe version in my family, the car has been in the garage and has not seen the streets for 6 years, I would like to recondition it, but I don't know what to start with, I hope you or other owners can give me some advice.The car has been in the family for 45 years and was my first contact with classic cars.
Watch the video series by Kent Bergsma aka Mercedessource on this subject
We recently rescued a 1974 240D that had a sawzall taken around the engine to put in a 2JZ motor... Has barely any rust because it was from down south except for the sunroof and the rear trunk, which I cut out. I'm slowly putting it back together but am missing some key parts to get it running. Air filter housing
Vacuum hose from pump to master cylinder
Idle adjustment screw/nut from the cable
Throttle cable
Shift link between auto transmission and shifter
Just to name a few... Been searching like crazy but even salvage yards that have a complete engine bay won't allow pick and pull and are 200 miles away... Any help? The interior is a mess and I hope to tackle that later (seats are shot, dash is cracked, some electrical issues)
I need to rebuild the fuel pump on my M110 but I don't know how. It's pouring fuel all over the ground. I replaced it with an electric pump but that is only a temporary solution.
LOL not as hated as the W210/W220
The dreaded W210-replacing ball joints every 1,000 miles LOL
@@MBSLC really I hadn't heard of that. I have replaced a few due to rust at that bottom ball joint but that was after super high mileage
@@christopher6161 Just joking mostly. I was working at a Mercedes dealer in Pittsburgh and in the parts department and we would order these ball joints quite often for replacement just for the reason you stated. Thanks!
@@christopher6161 w210 is my favourite e just beautiful
No one hates the W115. Everyone hates everything Mercedes made after 1997.
Pierre i dont have any interest in reinstalling my air conditioner and I plan on keeping the car forever is there any reason i should put it back in your opinion?
Pierre says to always strive for excellence Thomas
how hard is it to swap an om617 into one of these i wonder
I found the video
we own 5. all diesel variants.
Cash for Clunkers Program virtually wiped out this model because people did not want to deal with the rust.
I have a w115 220d that I love but it’s no where near as good a car as my w123 240d in terms of daily usability. The hvac system, dash, and engine compartment in the 123 are so much better designed and make the car feel much more Modern than the 115.
I own both, a 76 240d (W115) 4 speed and a 84 300d (W123) Automatic. If you live in an air-conditioning heavy country/ state, then you're partially correct. The air conditioning system in the W115 is more complicated of an installation and the blower fan is not as easy to replace when it fails (which it will eventually). If you want to keep the system original, then it can be a pain to repair. Once sorted property, both will last a long time.
In every other way, the W115 is a much easier car to own. It handles better, rides like a sports saloon, revs higher and is even more economical despite being powered by an older version of the same motor. I enjoy my W123 but I really look forward to driving my W115.
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dont dis the BMW boys Pierre.... theres plenty of merc idiots as well... bagged 115s etc
Though these cars were somewhat innovative, their build quality as compared to the W108/109 and especially the subsequent W123 was lacking...To me, its a malaise period for Mercedes...
W114/W115s build quality is equivalent to and in some ways better than W123. The door handles and door closure is even more ridiculously solid than the W123. Maybe you just experienced a bad example, which can make any car seem chintzy.
I like the new intro video. Could you please stop doing the second video after your introduction. And by the way PLEASE stop the introductions just get to it. More time for the topic at hand.