Five More Classic Mercedes, That Are Inexpensive.
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Bought a 190D (Baby Benz at the time) in 1985 and while the steering was heavy, but typical of Mercedes it was a great car and I owned it for 18 years, selling it privately, but I'd not be surprised if it's still running about without trouble.
Had a W116 350SE from 1978, it was a perfect car. Never had problems with it. It had a 4 speed manual and Pullman interior. That V8 was so smooth and perfect sound. Drove it for 4 years. Sold it pretty good. But mis it still.
I love both my 1977 450SL & 2000 E55 AMG. I gifted my mom my 1994 E320 and she is in love with it. Old school Benzs are the very best!
“Gifted?” You mean gave? Or are you “gifted” as in having special intelligence?
You actually named 2 cars I own! 1974 450sl and a 1989 560sel. Love them both to death!
He said “early” 450sl, which is the pre-emissions 1972-1973. 74+ are notorious for early attempts at emissions controls.
About 190s... I quite like the 2.6 versions, if you can find one that's been deently cared-for and doesn't have a ton of miles, same for the diesel. I don't much care for the 4-cylinder ones, except the 16-valve, and you sure aren't going to find one of those for cheap! W 108s are great cars if you can find one the metal termites haven't ravaged. I'd opt for a 420SEL with conventional suspension over thre 560, just because of the suspension. I actually own one of these, and it's a terrific car, very reliable and not too costly to run. As usual, good advice...
So glad to finally hear a positive comment about the 380SL. I love mine to death and it’s a wonderful vehicle, but the crap you seem to catch on the forums from 450/500/560 owners is entirely misguided, unnecessary, and genuinely annoying.
I've got a w126 380sl. Love the engine and the sound at high rpm. Sounds like it wants to be American but has enough of a European sound to it to create something very unique. Gotta watch for timing chain guide rails and oiler caps, but pretty much other than that I have no complaints with it. Not very powerful, but it still feels very strong. It never has to rev high, nor does it ever sound like it's struggling. And it's incredibly smooth. I don't drive it often enough so when I come to a stop it is kinda startling because there's no vibration like there is with any other car.
I don't know why (mostly) EVERYONE thinks older Mercedes are bulletproof. They aren't. They need maintenance, but when properly maintained they are very durable and incredibly reliable.
@@jacobbelcher3512 True, anything has to be maintained, just our human bodies. I am not concerned that it is not powerful enough. I don't live near the German Freeway. It has a enough power for me. I have no interest in racing, or racking up tickets for passing speed traps. I love the car.
Agreed, but it doesn't bother me because I have people who know what they are doing to take care of it for me until get more hands-on experience. Some things I will never attempt on my own. Sometimes I wonder if so many so called "problems" are created by those who don't quite know how much they think 😉they know about a particular car.
I own an '83 W123 240D with manual 4 speed transmissionthat was garage kept and is completely rust free. I also have a '77 W123 280E that also was always in a garage and also is rust free. Both increase in value every year. My daily driver is a W124 E320 wagon and the evaporator coil is leaking but it is a great car to drive.
I got the Mercedes bug when I had a 1994 W124 E280 update model here in Australia, with 473,000 kays, presented to me for $2,000 Australian dollars. Needed new brakes ($355) but the rest of the car was absolutely immaculate. Even the cams were like new & a heap of stuff had been replaced in it's long life. Sure, the plastics break after 26 years & it had bio-degradable wiring in one area, but the leather was superb & it has everything that opens & shuts. The ride & driveability are second to none!
1989 w124 300D..... 485 000 kms so far. Runs like a clock. Reverse gear still works...just.Lots and lots of country miles in her life. I bought her from a great bloke who owned since 1992. The kicker for the purchase was his comment that " we just changed the fluids every 12 months ". It handles like a dream. 3rd gear is in constant use on hills. She always idled on 5 but ran on 6 cylinders. I started using synthetic merc approval oils and now she idles on 6.Stuck ring on number 4?.Changed the trans fluid every 50 000 kms. Ive put about 30 000 kms on her every year I love her.Her name is Margie.
I forgot to mention she had done 200 000 kms on vege oil.
Love the hands, means you actually work on these babies. Keep on wrenching. Cheers, Larry
Excellent! I am a new 380SL owner. Thank you for ALL of your advice as I was conducting my research. Now, I am on the hunt for a daily driver, something with no frills, or major maintenance. I am not sure yet, what to look for. I one knew a guy who had a W115 coupe and it was a nice car. There is something about the head and park light design, sort of like a "sleepy" face with nice eyes. I wonder what is out there?
You being a wrencher, you better than most would know about just how reliable a model was. I loved my 190-E, w/o the Lotus Plant. It was a brilliant design, and poured out power even with its 2.3 liter, and 4 sp auto trans. It's all about how much care was taken of your Benz. Bought a couple budget Benz's, and they were money pits. Best wishes in your efforts.
Really cool the videos. It amazes me that the prices of second hand MB are more or less the same in USA and Europe. Thanks for the videos and the shared expertise...
Hi Pierre love your site and your no nonsence approach, i drive a W201 190D, ,this car doesnt have a lot of the bells and whistles found in the newbies ,but it is an almost beautiful thing to look at, it drives with an amazing nimbleness and great agility ,very well sorted suspension, I live in central Queensland Australia with some really bad roads and that little car takes the good with the bad in its stride. plenty of long miles here mean the 5 cyl desiel purrs with great fuel economy . Could I afford a 500SL I might secumb , but i know I wouldnt be any better off,I have owned so many cars but I could happily finish my driving days with the baby Benz.
I'm glad you appreciate the efficiency of the w201....probably the most economical rwd mercedes ever built!
@@mercedesclassicswithpierre1753 OK, one more confirmation to add to my "Daily Driver" search. Thanks!
I agree with this added list as well. The reasons that you gave were spot on and well received. Love hearing Pierre's opinion on these cars.
thank you ken! will you be in lakeland?
I don't think I can get down to Lakeland this week despite only being 2 states away. I really want the opportunity to meet with you in person and maybe get an autograph too. I have such great respect for what you do for the Mercedes Benz community that it draws me to your channel time and time again. If i do make the trip, ill be looking for you in the crowd.
Please do videos on accessories available for classic Benz.
Who is buying a classic Mercedes and considering fuel economy?
Exactly
Me
@@porcupinepunch6893 nice.
The diesels get great fuel economy
I love my W201s 180E Iam restoring her and won’t sell her plan to take it on a long road trip
what year is your 180E? what colors?
I did a 1.9 TDI swap in mine w201, with e36 coilovers. Have another w201 with a s2000 motor swap, also e36 coilovers. Both have steelies. I love the style and feel of these; they have nice flat tasteful bodies, that are good for drifting.
wish I had kept my 4.5 SE,bought it for $5k in the early 90's
Selling now at 4k ...
The last car had the wrong picture
Good video though keep going
What do you think of w210 E430 and 320? How about W220?
Love this channel.
Ken B seems to be about only the perfect examples. I enjoy making anything perfect no matter where it starts. Glad to see like-minded folks.
i think the w210 is a safe and reliable car...not really the same as the 124, as build quality was lacking, but will still run for years and protect you and your family.
My top five good value classic Mercedes are:
The C107 is an excellent buy as the convertibles are more like 3 - 4 times more expensive for the equivalent spec. Can seat 4 adults and their luggage in comfort and style
Also the R129 500sl is an extremely underrated car as it has an amazing driving experience for a very little outlay. Those things are also built like brick outhouses. Happy days if you can actually bag a 600 V12.
Next the W124 convertible is a very elegant and stylish car with a classic feel yet modern technology. Prices are beginning to climb so act now to grab one while they’re still affordable.
Then we have the C126 coupe. Very stylish, big, comfortable with an amazing ride. Big V8s might drink a bit but you’re only ever going to have a classic merc as a second car in addition to your daily driver. Watch for rust around the wheel arches and rear windscreen but other than that, it’s all good
Last but not least, the C140 coupe of the early ‘90s. The V12 is the one to go for as it’s the best equipped and most powerful. Also how many people can say they have a Mercedes V12 on their driveway?
Grood Choices. I am on the lookout for a W124 Convertible. Love to have one. The only mention you make that would scare me is the V12 powerplant. Sound and drive amazingly smooth but repairs are scary expensive.
well, these cars deliver a lot of car for the money but sorting them out can be a huge expense as well. they make the most sense if you do your own repairs.
The 190E/D are amazing cars for what they cost.....*IF* you can find properly maintained examples. granted they aren't as sure footed or powerful as a W124 (although the 6 cyl W201 is an exception where power is concerned), but they weren't nearly as expensive either. The biggest issue I've seen with them and the W124 chassis cars that is that they were so well built and so trouble free that most of their required preventative maintenance was seen as suggestion rather than requirement by owners. Which largely explains why enthusiasts and collectors are having such a hard time with the bulk of them now. They have their quirks, but in my limited experience every chassis from every era does.
yes, I see the same issue with both the 201 and the 124..and when something does go wrong most of the time their owners dump them as fast as they can after using them up.
Thanks for sticking up for the w201, I think the 190D ,Is what it is.,..A CAR
the w201 190E it an amazing daily driver cheap to maintain and work with
Yes, everyone like to bash the "baby Benz" but the reality is that they were great cars. But with any entry level model, those will probably be the ones to receive the least amount of proper service hence might cost some money to get back to perfect running condition. I know many people that own 190E's that love their cars with a passion. Not everyone that wants a great Mercedes Benz wants a V8. I love the great fuel economy of the 190's.
I don't get why people bash them, they're fantastic cars. I drive mine 60 miles every day and it rarely gives me issues. Also people like my mechanic who complain that they're terrible in the snow don't know what good tires are because I've never had an issue in the winters of CT and PA and drove the car through a blizzard once. Parts are cheap for them right now too, especially from Mercedes Benz of North America. I've always thought my 190E rides better than the W126 I used to own as well.
I would love to find the "holy grail" of the 190's being one with a manual transmission. They come up for sale from time to time but they usually are pretty beat up when they do. The 5 speeds are a rare breed but make the 190's drive so much more lively than the 4-speed autos that most people opted for here in the United States. I also prefer the 2.3 four-cylinder to the 2.6 6-cylinder for the added fuel economy and lower cost of maintenance.
I remember a W201 video documentary stating "...In terms of safety, the compact sedan is equal to the S-Class, despite lesser deformation paths..." there are many more aspects, but this just recently opened my eyes more to the Mercedes engineering quality.
W108😍😍😍
I have a 90 300d 2.5. Paid $1200. Put maybe 1k on regular maintenance items. Still driving it 4 years later. Unknown milage. Runs and drives great. When it dies I'll get another one.
have you changed the vacuum pump yet? that's what typically kills them.
Our 1969 250SE was a fantastic car, with sportscar-like roadholding and handling. I guess one could land a 747 on that long hood.....😂
Did I hear you say you had a 300CE in one of your other videos? I have had a 300CE24 Sportline auto coupe for 25 years. Prices for this car seem to be rapidly rising at the moment.
I had an '84 190d 2.2, which I would have liked more if it had a manual trans. I just got a euro-spec '83 manual-trans 240d sold new in Germany, which is in great shape, but does take a bit more work to drive than a 300d, which isn't a good or bad thing, it's perspective.
Wow how things change in a couple of years. For example, the 560SL demand & prices. Unbelievable.
THIS IS SO GOOD THANK YOU!
What are w140series s500 like
Good stuff! Love these videos. I am curious as to your decision to mention the 300se w126 on the first video, and the 560sel w126 on this video, but leave out the 420sel altogether. Around the midwest, the 420sel seems to be one of the best values, perhaps of any car, period. I have seen running, driving, rust free examples for around $1k, and I will soon be rescuing a rust free 1987 that has a broken transmission cooler line, but runs great otherwise for $500. Unfortunately, these cars are so cheap that they often fall into the wrong hands and are poorly maintained. Thank you for all that you do!
Where are you finding ones for so cheap? I can only find them for about 7000-9000. I am in the midwest and I can't find them whatsoever.
@@jayspice4987 I'm near Kansas City. Keep your eyes peeled on Craigslist and Facebook marketplace. $500 example was in Saint Joseph, MO and I just missed out on a very nice 190k mile 420sel for $1k that was mechanically perfect, save for the inop air conditioning system.
@@jayspice4987 while not a steal, (in fact it has been listed for several months that I know about) there is a 1987 420sel in Papillion, NE right now on Facebook marketplace for $3,900 with 166k miles. Seller states that is has no issues and everything works, including air conditioning. It's been listed long enough that a guy could likely scoop it up for $3k, which would be a very fair price.
To me is the w108 all the way.
The picture for the 380SL is incorrect.
ha I wish 380SL's looked like that ;)
lmao!
yeah....
you me and everyone else!!
@@mercedesclassicswithpierre1753 its very confusing when you showed the 300 sl roadster
thanks for the video, thomas please get that sound sorted out...and yeah that 380 sl was a bit off
Than you so much for the feedback on the audio quality, I appreciate your patience as we work out a solution.
Thomas
Sorry w124... I'm looking at a 220 or a 300. I need a w124 that I can use as a daily driver.
Where is your shop! I'm loving these videos. Helped me a ton tuning my zeinth carbs
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I am considering a 1979 450 sl that looks great in a beautiful color combination of grey paint and red interior with 119k. Owner wants 12000. Are the 1979 sl realiabke cars. Is that a good year
Diggin that wall in your office. Was it like that originally or did you apply vintage wood? Not a Mercedes comment. lol oh well.
it's stained to look vintage but it was all free stuff!
my man, have you considered doing a video on what a "coach built" car is using some relevant Mercedes models as examples (after doing the top 2jz swaps video, of course) ?
that's a very good video suggestion. I have thought about it, to be honest. In fact, i recently wrote an article for the november 2018 issue of Sports Car Market about a unique 540k with Mayfair body work. There were some unique post war coachbuilt Mercedes as well...the pininfarina 230Sl and 300c station wagon, as well as the w116 crayford estates. You've got me thinking....do you ever watch alfa guy's videos?
@@mercedesclassicswithpierre1753 I haven't even heard of him but I will check him out
he is awesome
You have said the r129 one should stay away from , what if you are looking at one with low miles like 30k , well cared for ???
I love all your videos and put up with the audio, but this one is really hard to take. I would donate if we could get that ironed out.
i agree. I will make sure thomas sees the comment
Yes, thank you so much for the feedback, I’m figuring things out as we continue to bring new videos to you every week, I appreciate your patience.
I am surprised that the Heckflosse didn't make it on the list. They've got pretty much the same suspension and design as the W108, just with different styling and engines (and lower prices). And there's hardly anything more reliable and durable (and cheap to operate) than the legendary 190DC and 200D with the diesel engine and kingpin front-end. I also picked up (for a good price) a rust-free gray-market W110 230 with the Zenith carbs and a four on the floor, and it performs notably better than the later W114s with the four-barrel Solex.
the w110 is a good car but they usually need a lot of work....at the end of the day you will always spend more on the repairs than on the car
You just need to find the right one. Unfortunately, too many of them were left out to rust, but there are a few good ones left and I've been able to snag them for decent prices, especially compared with some of those 108s. If you get one with a solid body and a good engine, the rest is pretty easy to keep up with mechanically. I took my latest low-cost Benz with fins on a 1600-mile road trip this past summer and it was nothing but a pleasure!
Love the videos! Washing your hands and changing your shirt will make them better :)
i see nice 560s in my area all the time bet they were awesome when gas was a dollar wouldn't touch one now couldnt afford to drive it
I'm seriously going to have to get a bigger garage... 😎
lol me too...and mine is already too big
That a 380 SL you showed a picture of, don't I wish it was. A 300 SL with a V8 and affordable?
What do u think of the w210 series? I bought a 2000 e430 4matic after 5yr search and am very pleased with it. Changed fluids and added bluetooth is all it needed so far. what might i be looking at as car ages? 140k miles, plan to keep til i die (70yrs old now).
not a classic, but a safe reliable car.
@@mercedesclassicswithpierre1753Thank you Pierre. Anything I should look out for? Its my first Mercedes!
hello from greece.i need your advice,i bought a w220 s430 with 300.000 km.the car is perfect except i noticed that needs extra engine oil every 1000 km.the car is not even smoking from the exaust system.that means a leaking somewhere in the engine.plz help me
Just got myself w123 1984 240d, paid for the car £2600, by the time its welded, sprayed, interior, and whole car rebuild incl engine i’ll be spending at least another £6k. Labour and parts. Most parts I ordered were of Ebay, some UK sellers some abroad. Now i love this car it has my signature all over it, was it worth me doing it all up? I think absolutely not.. i know for a fact by time its all done this car will last me another 20yrs, but even in 20yrs time if i was to sell it i just don’t think i’ll end up getting my £10k back of it...
this is a car for life!!! good work!!
Great video👍
Awsome info
the graphics work are the opposite of awesome, why after introducing the picture just shown for 1 second
What's your opinion on a 78 300D
Whoever said the W201 wasnt a great car or reliable is wrong. It like all other cars and trucks are dependable as long as you do your maintenance regularly. It becomes a POS when you dont take care of it. Just my opinion.
good opinion
W126 300SD ???
yes- the best...i am working on a video about the cars with the 617 engine to compliment this
1978 280 SEL what do you all think?
that's a great car...undervalued, powerful, attractive...is this a car you're going to acquire?
Mercedes Classic with Pierre Hedary yes very interested. 260,000 km on the clock and all seems to be working. I'm trying to organise and inspection! can send you the link privately for your opinion if you'd like.
Opinion on r129? Surprised it wasn’t mentioned
the r129 is one of the least affordable mercedes you can buy. between head gaskets, wiring harnesses, top actuators, plastic interior parts failing and transmission issues, i would not call it "affordable. " Just because it is cheap doe snot make it a good deal.
Mercedes Classic with Pierre Hedary fair enough I just brought one after many years looking around. Needs a bit of tlc cosmetically.
I enjoy your videos, but you really should consider wearing gloves while you work with petro chemicals or at least wash your hands shortly after wrenching.
i usually do....usually blue ones...but yes, you're right
I reckon he does that for dramatic effect lol
Oh God, some people... youa can't always use gloves, access, grip, accuracy. I've been working on bikes & cars for years in the same manner, none of this stuff has done anything to my body, if anything, I feel better! A good wash afterwards and you're golden. So concentrate on actively listening to the topic and leave the man in peace.
Pshh don't listen to this kook. Look at classic German engineers and mechanics, even ones that work at the Mercedes factories don't wear gloves.
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What about he w24 220 to 320
W108 and R107 are the best
i couldn't imagine my world without them!
The 108s and 126s are steadily rising in price. The 124 is a beauty, even my 'little' 230E. Be wary of a cheap Mercedes-Benz on offer, it may quickly become a money pit.
230e is a solid car. happy motoring!
Selling w108 280se 4.5 v8 🏁 o rust California. 4200$
some of the cruicial indformation was censored SAD
tell me, exactly....
what were the email addresses he mentioned? i couldnt quite catch it.
mbownersforlife at bellsouth.net
Inexpensive... to buy.
As the saying goes "There nothing more expensive than a cheap Mercedes". That is why Maintenance Records are CRUCIAL in buying one. Without them you don't know what you are getting.
W201 E
Damn guy, do you ever wash up?
Heckflosse diesel!
it could be, but finding one that doesn;t need a cash injection of $15k-25k is difficult. they are great cars and certainly worth the effort but they are too difficult to find to make this list.
I've watched several clips from this channel now,, and they all have crappy audio. What's the deal?
This has been an ongoing issue...I hope Thomas sees this comment
Wuhan my brother!!!
I kick myself for passing up a mint 380 sl convertible in the late 80's for $10k
🤣 don't worry ... 10k today u can buy many 450sl or very nice 🏁
Please get your sound sorted as your videos are mainly vocal, so have that issue fixed please buddy
Support him on Patreon rather than just complaining?
My friend, please consider using gloves to protect your health, blood poisoning is not fun. Ask Scotty about the selection...
Please take care of what looks like a gash on your left forearm. We want you healthy!
all healed up!
And gloves...pierre? Keep it
Healthy mate! Bob the belgian🇧🇪🍺😎
Could have been a good video. Greasy hands and arms are a bit showy. 2/5 photos are way wrong. Choices of vehicles on list is pretty good. Crappy audio. He sounds bored and bothered and like doing this video was an assignment to a high school senior in May.