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Got an idea for you for Timberborn. Make colony consume 100% of water. Doing it myself on first map and its tons of fun. Bad water doesnt count ofc.
So ok im not an expert but.
I totally agree that landvalue is a problem in CS2 but.....
The land value (in real life) has nothing to do with house sizes. Im hearing this all over and also with other content creators. "Why is the land value so high ? im only building small houses?"
The land value, and therefore the prizing at houses is a mix of the placement, accessability and city size. So if you own a house a house in a big city with lots of shopping possibilities, access to public transport and a view to the sea, you will have a very high land value. Thats just the way it is.
I have to admit that i dont have the right solution, but i think the game essential is doing the right thing. Mabe they just have to turn down the prizing so it does not get out of control.
Great channel Biffa. Love your enthusiam and your possitive attitude.
Correct, but you are miss the other factor in livingcost, how much of said land is occupied.
And that gets less with the livingspace and therefore house(ignoring multi apartment houses) getting smaller, so smaller houses should be cheaper to live in.
if anything, larger houses (per person) are gonna happen in lower land value regions as a high land value means lots of individual living space is night unaffordable
Yes. Years ago my monthly mortgage for a small 2 bedroom, 2 car garage house cost less than my current one bedroom apartment. There is no longer an option where I live to find lower rent in a smaller town nearby.
"I think the game essential is doing the right thing" I disagree with that. If land is valued high, it's because people can afford to live there. Having large swathes of a city being unaffordable due to the value of the property being too high, indicates that property is over-valued. Just as it is being in the game.
Really this fake "land value" assignment is an issue simply by its existance, each plot of land should be marketed in the game just as it is in real life, and agents buy them, then set the rents from there.
Yeah, I agree, the system is working the problem is solutions for what to do about it. It might be feasible to fix but the solution definitely isn't obvious. Especially since the issue can extend to even to high density residential.
Yes, there is a problem, but also, these people were living in a bungalow right next to the centre of your city - of course the rent (essentially land value tax/council tax) was going to be astronomical
Yep....!
Right, I think it's trying to get you to spread the cities apart more, and have plenty of housing in different areas with different land values. Not everybody gets to or can afford to live on the nice side of town, even if the game did allow subsides.
I wish the welfare office could have some great effect on helping with the kids/seniors living alone with no income...maybe have a way to make a student housing district?
@@nicholascrawford6068 Having an actual student accommodation building again would be a nice addition.
@@theproceedings4050My experience seconds this. My current city is more like two cities: one large, high density city, and one smaller, medium density town. I haven't had an issue with high rent in a very long time. I suspect it's because there are options across the board: expensive, high wealth apartment buildings, nice but affordable medium apartments, cheaper apartments, row housing and suburban and rural housing give options to all classes. Land value overlay confirms this, as downtown is very expensive, sattelite town is middling and all the rural space is quite cheap and affordable.
Not to say there isn't an issue, there's definitely a lot of jank to the simulation, but it is possible to avoid the high rent thing just by employing a variety of densities and classes over a larger space.
land value in game is surprisingly realistic to the housing crisis now
Eek!
Sad but real😂😢
We have shacks in canada, in lame and remote cities that are worth 800k CAD; the developers use the broken Canadian crisis.
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Lol as an American watching you try to search for a "GAS station" while all of the pre-populated choices until you type something say gas station had me dying!!!!
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An elementary school with it's own football stadium is wild
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15:21 zoning is on a different road... Biffaaaaa!!! :D
Yet again the mod community fixing the game. Thank you mod community for the work you do.
This will be a great game one day despite Paradox/CO's awful decisions because of the talent and dedication of the modding community
You know you've been watching and enjoying Biffa's content when he's even fixing cities in your dreams.
I had a dream I was trying to fix my hometown's influx of citizens, after becoming a celebrity and mayor of the town, and I was trying to renovate the town but I was struggling to make the traffic flow well. I was trying to accommodate train routes though the town, as well as managing car traffic flow, but the plans I made didn't work well. My first thought was to ask Biffa to help me fix the traffic flow, as well as citizen complaints, and with the help of roundabouts and lane mathematics, it helped fix my town of issues.
Biff! Paths are SO good for controlling zoning grids. That point where the zoning snapped to the wrong street and wouldn't grow where you wanted could have been fixed by placing a path a few tiles back from the road, then the zoning tiles would appear on the road where you wanted them. I've started placing foot paths before doing any zoning to make my suburbs feel distinct to each other through lot size.
And in Cities Skylines 1 we had a button for controlling the zoning...this is so embarrassing 🥴
@@Bambi298_LPTrue albeit it came pretty late in CS1 lifecycle, they could’ve taken that feature and moved it to the new game, really baffling decision not to do so. Same with custom parks etc. I really miss making them and detailing it.
I'm so glad for the land value overhaul mod. In my city, literally one road over, you quickly start going from high density everything to single homes. Yes, prices are astronomical, but people still buy because it's highly attractive. As opposed to CS2 where they're not allowed to be built and no-one wants it...
Yup! Land being priced out of being constructed on is such an utterly absurd concept. Land is expensive because people *want* to build/live there. It will never price above that demand in perpetuity like it does here. Maybe briefly, but after a few months the price will go down until somebody wants it again.
We definitely need more cities 1! I can tell just how much more enjoyable that is for you and honestly its just far more interesting to me. So much you can still do. Hopfully it'll get the views and you can justify doing those more than cities 2.
You sound a lot happier and this is starting to look/work a lot more like CitySkylines One. Is that a good thing? My answer would be yes. The housing problem has been fixed, people are happy in the game and building things seems to have been made easier.
As usual lots of good giggles trying to manipulate things to do what you want it to do 😂 It looks lovely!!! Turned out really nice🤩
25:30 Biffa adding a path right into a fence
Remember to activate the Randomize mode when adding lines of plants, so it looks more natural ;)
To tackle the land value issue they should have separate land values for each of the zoning types. So instead of the land value increasing for everyone regardless of the building put down or what has spawned in, it affects each differently. For example a school increases residential but doesn't effect industrial, but put a coal power plant down and it increases industrial but plummets residential land values. Would add an extra layer of balancing required in gameplay too.
Oh yeah, the tiny industrial zone near school. Surely, they would get poisoned by pollution right? 😂😂😂. I love biffa
You showcased well why I stopped playing City Skylines 2, also your other video addressed it quite well. I have no confidence in the underlying simulation at all at this moment. My first city right after the start of the game went through every single bug and its just not fun. Initially the balance for education was off, then the garbadge piled up followed by the mail service not functioning, import/export of goods failed and then the landvalue issue and/or the imbalance for resident density. Of course my 100k city got completely destroyed over all of this and I'm sick and tired of trying to restore it after after the next simulation module decides to break. I won't touch it for probably another 3-6 months unless there are major updates.
While there's definitely balance issues, so far what people called bugs was frequently not understanding mechanics like how high rent issues mechanically make sense if you look at the data but the circumstances happen too frequently. The problem is much of these issues are a snowball, even if you address the problem sometimes its legit too fargone even with all their failsafes. Like by the time mail is a problem, even if you address it you probably can't fix it. It's not broken, it works, but it doesn't work fast enough.
Yeah thats not at all what I encountered, I dont make accussations lightly and if I say bugs I mean it. Lets start with the garbadge disposal first. I had over double the processing power of what was required, what happened though was that the trucks just filled my processing facility everytime I built a new one but they never actually prcoessed it. The trick was then to built more facilities and then delete them, but surely that can't be the intended way? The other option was that they collected ONLY outside the city, but ignored destinations within 100m begging to be picked up. Quite literally around the next corner and even with truck capacity not completely utilised they just didnt colelct anything. Similar behaviour with the mail service, the sorting facilities simply didn't sort anything, just collected until everything was full. The issue of course being if nothing ever is sorted nothing is send out either, hence people complain about mail not being picked up and so on. The import/export bug was a bit different. There are patchnotes describing every single one of these bugs I encounterd but sure, keep telling yourself they are just "not working fast enough".
A few of the patch notes in question 1.0.13f1 hotfix, 1.0.15f1 hotfix. I could go on, as this game went on for a while until it was actually "fixed".
In my case garbage stopped being a problem when i restricted them by districts. Even the patch notes mentioned they favored outside sources too much. There's no chain for garbage so this can largely fix itself once corrected. It's a balance problem but it's not broken.
Mail works, provably, but it's a chain, and it can be a slow chain (post office > sorting facility > back to post office > repeat). And as such it's a snowball. Once it's bad, there's nothing you can really do. Especially if you have traffic issues... @r83
Biffa the number don’t lie …… 65k.. 13k…. We are telling you what we wanna watch. 😊
funny hpw modders can fix a game but the devs can't
Lovely tiny gas station....wow i never thought about them during years of playing Cities Sklylines , They should be included in the whole game....and every car owner should drive there from time to time....that would be very nive
The Mods are certainly improving your enjoyment of the game today. It's palpable. I might start playing again :)
You should really use the randomized rotation for the trees. All the trees facing the exact same direction looks kind of odd.
When you're placing trees and bushes and such, try out the random rotation button. It should look less like a pattern and more natural. Especially in those long rows.
Devs have been awfully quiet I just hope they are working on fixing this beautiful game it has potential just want some transparency
They've said they are working hard to sort things in the word of the week 👍
Great episode Biffa, the modding community is really putting in the work trying to fix the game themselves...and for free. Can't speak highly enough to them. Question, is there somewhere where you have your current graphics settings? your game is so crisp and clear, I have yet to be able to experience the same quality.
I play in 4K and mostly on high settings, so maybe that? :-)
Cool beans, I'll see if my 3070ti can handle that lol@@BiffaPlaysCitiesSkylines
@@ElwoodGaming it should, mine does (atleast last time I booted the game up, early december)
Those trees completely obliterate the view of the nice new toy store.
I actually liked the look of the decals from the uneven surface, it made it look worn-down like the paarking area hasn't been re-striped in a while and added some character to it
I would move the elementary school. Now it's right next to a highway, just a few meters away. Even a highway bridge, throwing the noise right in to the school. Move it to the space next to the river, in front of the newly established row houses instead. Now kids can WALK from their homes to the school, and not cross the main road either.
In genreral, CS-gamers way too often place schools in the most horrible places. Schools should be placed
1. so kids can walk or bicycle from their homes - without getting killed by cars
2. quiet places, close to nature
1. Nah, kids should play on the highway midsection, brushing up against traffic.
2. Pave the world, only 4 generations, and they wouldn't know what the word "nature" even means.
(As I'm about to post, I felt this needed to be added; sarcasm doesn't read well. I actually do agree with OP's statements)
Lol :-)
Ah the mods, this is what I feel they should make happen more. The mods are the heart of the game! They fix everything!
Despite Paradox/CO's awful decisions, this will be a great game one day because of the dedicated and talented modding community
Thanks for your attention to detail
this is yet another glaring reason why the Modding store should have been and still be a priority modders will fix 90% of a game...
Mods are coming in faster than the game patches itself...
I was right when I just couldn't get excited with the blend look and feel of CS2, and listening to your heartfelt cry for the devs to listen, @biffa, confirmed what I expected.
The devs should have used the Minecraft method of adding to the game and upgrading it over time instead of going for a complete rework.
I love seeing how Kettlebridge grows and im very impressed with all the modders and their work! A couple of small things: firstly, please change some of the internal alley roads between the shops at 17:33 to pedestrian paths or a line of trees - I feel like having them all as roads is a bit unrealistic, gives drivers too many options, and creates too many junctions on the 'main' road 😅 It also stressed me out at 23:40 when you put that junction so close to the roundabout - I feel like that's just asking for traffic trouble and I'm sure you could move the road further down (towards the forestry building & away from the roundabout) to connect into the area with the school and football field 👍 are you also going to connect the neighbourhood with public transport? Looking forward to the next episode, as always! 😁
I think CS2 is doing an accurate simulation of property prices in big cities. Land value never drops in major cities and the population be damned. There is really no room for low income housing if there is someone willing to build higher prices ones.
heath and safety will be all over that street cross over with the step... LoL
Great to see another C:S2. Modded is, besides lack of assets, already better than C:S1 I think.
Ah Land Value Overhaul - I've been using that for a couple of weeks, was wondering if you'd get to it!
That land value mod is downloading as soon as I finish this video. Thank you
I don't own CS2 yet, but if I did the high rent icons would drive me nuts! Glad at least there is a rebalance mod to help with this. Sorry Biffa, I'm drinking coffee this morning not tea.
Trying to get my head around this land value issue... if you make the taxes zero and free everything, won't that make the areas more desireable, and therefore increase the land value? Small desirable residences will also increase the perception of a more desireable area, so land value will increase? I have spread things out and mixed it up, and at 100k I've not hit this problem except where it would be likely IRL.
Love ya Biffa... if the mod makes it easier then great... but I don't really know if it's an error with the simulation or just our desire to be able to build everywhere freely. Keep going with CS2 - I now have almost as much time in it as CS1 !!! Loving it despite the issues. Mods and assets are going to make this awesome in the next year or so.
Edited to add.... so this mod has upgraded your small residential to level 5.... but in real life this would incrase the land value even more? I'm confused!
The big reason people feel it is a bug is that empty lots will become so expensive that no one can afford to build there. And that’s just not how supply and demand works. Even if an over zealous land owner tried to charge way more than the land was actually worth, eventually they will accept a lower offer if only to not pay taxes on it anymore. The fact that empty lots will become unaffordable for *any* developer in perpetuity is insane.
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Hope you feel better soon
If only there was a mod like this for real life, I’d love some extra money and my 1970s house sure needs some upgrades 😅
Cash holding has a 2 billion cap too
Money a little irrelevant atm
I had this too. The mod works perfectly.
But i also had a mass transit bug. The whole simulation went in slow motion, people walking, cars driving, smoke from pipes, water waves. I checked mu cpu was only 30 percent, but gpu was max. With new gear, AMD 9, 32 ram, it's obvious not a computer problem. When i deleted all my super good functioning Bus lines, the game was good again.
What also was strange, i had less traffic (problems) after Deleting the bus lines.
Its a pity, i think game has a great potential, but there are too many issues right now.
Money cap is at 2 Billion. Highest profit I have seen in one of my cities is 0.690 Billion (already with -10 on Residential and Commercial, which doesn't help with land value) and it is getting hard to develop cities like this and in the video further(without using mods).
I thought it was 200 billion?
My only real issue with the game so far has been the high rent thing. I will be downloading this mod today!
Full size (American) football stadiums next to elementary schools is not really a thing here in the states. Middle and High schools often have them though. Most city elementary schools are within a residential neighborhood away from main arterials. Most are sort of hidden and you wouldn't know they were there unless you lived in the neighborhood.
A path under the overpass by the school that leads to all the houses might be nice
It's good to correct the brokenness with land value, but I don't like how it breaks it in the other direction. I did kind of like the mechanic of it being hard to get level 5 buildings and you having to work for it to happen, but I also didn't like how utterly broken it was. Maybe a happy medium?
Wow biffa you really did take your time this time 😂😂😂
With the find it mod, can we now add industry specific buildings for forestry? If so that would be really amazing! It's annoying placing specific industry and having food industry buildings pop up next to them.
16:36 do any of you know what a "spinning wheel" is in this game?
Look it up in the assets list. Drove me crazy trying to find that one.
Never heard anyone call it a "spinning wheel" before
ive had some proper bugs with the land value stuff, in my city all of the commercial, office, and industry buildings had high rent, no matter what. the land value wasn't even high it was like the lowest possible value but literally every single one of them had the same problem. tried taxes, nothing, changed density, nothing, rezoned them further away from amenities, nope. not a single residential lot had the problem, even in the high land value areas that had some poorer residents.
RCE got the high rent problem solved, zoning some low rent houses. This was in the launch so don't know if it will solve now.
an easy way to get the land value under control is to remove the police...lol
Yeah, I have a city where the high rises were getting high rent flags, like I can't get more dense, I could've gone low rent apartments, but in the downtown? NAH. Haven't played on that save for a minute because im newtly at 300k pop and the game was slowing to a crawl and would constantly be below 10fps.
Oh Yeah!
single family homes near the city center should have huge rent and the land value should be great it makes sense
i think the mode wasn't needed as much all you needed to do is to slowly convert these into more medium density housing and creat more low rent building outsite and away from the city center and maybe just use a bus or subway to connect them
Problem is that the land in these cases will turn into empty lots in game where only high density can build, and that really doesn’t make much sense. Even if developers would prefer to build multiunit residences in that location, if the land was really so valuable, somebody rich enough would probably build their own mini mansion there eventually, and they would own it and not be suffering from rent issues. It’s like if Beverly Hills suddenly became abandoned cause the houses were too expensive. It doesn’t make any sense. Not to mention that the game often shoves underaged orphans in their own freaking multi-bedroom houses, which is actually ridiculous.
Nice American build Biffa
I would like to see office park somewhere in the city
It would be fun to see you do an insanely expensive build, I don't know if there's even anything in the game that costs enough to put a dent in a billion simoleans but I'd love to see you do something like that. Even if you did it as a one-off then returned to a previous save, rather than spending so much money on a permanent addition to your city. (I'm trying to imagine what I would build if I was a billion-dollar mayor...)
Go to Dubai :)
Row of trees looks too uniform, they should maybe turned around randomly when planted down.
The land value works right. Children attempting to live alone do not work(no pun intended)
if planting trees would be this easy the world would be fine
Hey, does Kettlebridge have a University Hospital area anywhere? If not, I think you should make one, with some nice parking for patients, and a nice garden-like area. It would be also interesting to know what additions such a place has to make Kettlebridge healthy and fit!
I've considered this a stupid mechanic since cities 2 came out. If my rent was too high, I would have a word with my landlord, not the Mayor of the city
getting mayors and regional governments to build affordable housings is a major priority in loads of European political parties
Hey Biffa,
in one of your first Kettlebridge Videos you raised the Service Fees for roads (road parking). Maybe it helps to low it, that your citizens can pay their high rent. But i am not sure.
Best regards
I'll take a look, thanks :-)
quite fraknly, it appears to me that having those homes there really feels like the land value should be high looking at i's surrounding, so should the sollution not have been to change the zoning away from those single family homes? they do look out of place there anyway.
1:39... I mean you just explained the mechanics of it... is there anything that needs fixing.
Surely being a fellow UK resident you know that most housing around highstreets/City centre commercial hubs is expensive to buy and/or rent. If business is booming prices go up. Places with dead/run down highstreets are often reflected in the surrounding housing.
Don't put budget housing around mass commercial roads. The burbs tend to have small local retail/corner shops etc then various sized retail parks dotted about the place.
This is kinda what i was talking about in previous comments about people wanting to jump on mods when they don't understand or even appreciate the games base mechanics. I don't beleive this particular aspect needs changing tbh... maybe a little tweak/bit of finessing but it seems like one of the few things in the game is massively broken.
High land value like this just gets worse and worse, other creators have had it ruin their cities. I know what I'm doing 😉
just fyi: i think there is a toggle in the options, there is a new menu for findstuff where you can enable showing "dangerous" assets that could break your save, and that includes invisible paths i think.
Keep watching 😉
if you figured it out during the video i must have missed it but glad you got it sorted, thanks for the video@@BiffaPlaysCitiesSkylines
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Mods to the rescue. (game still needs to go home, though). :)
No tree rotation. Why am I not surprised?
LOL... yup. Send in the Clones! Most of the "big" content creators seem to miss that basic setting (but I suspect many don't actually pay much attention to the details of mods)
I agree with the comments mostly. But looking at it the issue isn't land value cause it's working like real life. Its the citizens picking the wrong housing to live in. If they can afford to live there they should move. And the one that pops up with the 6 yo living by themselves and going to school.
AT 15 MIN MARK, U NEED TO FIX ZONING BY PLACING A PATH ON THE SIDE OF ROAD TO MORE THE ZONES SQUARES BC THEY ARE ATACHED TO THE SIDE ROAD, I KNOW ITS ANNOYING
Nice Video!
I'm interested to see what happens when the money reaches 2.14 billion and whether it will go to minus 2.14 billion or just max out due to the common 32-bit integer issue.
Biffa face revaled yet ? or the community still dreams about it. Such a strong voice creates different images in mind. Camera addition to the videos may make difference positively. If he reads it. I want to simply say, LONG TIME NO SEE.
PS: Think about it, Maybe ?
I show my face daily, you're just not around when I do 😅
1:00 It's not a game problem, it's a real life problem.
Could you fix the high rent issue by rezoning the small houses as offices or high density residential and then build the smaller houses out in an area with low land value?
Using a wide screen monitor.. hopefully someone can make the tabs in the left side or right side so there will be more room/screen to the game.. most mods windows have large sizes windows thus limits the view/screen... and wondering if only I can place the mods list in a secondary monitor...
to be fair your city looks a lot like manhatten
hey, i got a question, i saw you put down industry close to ur residential, and i was wondering does the industry give air polution, or is it just service buildings like the power plants? and is there a way to see which, industries give air polution or is it just trial and error?
Yes, without the mod that is how it works.
That is gentrification in a nutsack.
Hello Biffa, quick question. Do you have a Mod list somewhere you might want to share please?
It's just so annoying that we have to rely on modders not for fun additions to the game, but basic fixes for things that should have been working correctly in the first place. Not to mention we shouldn't have to go to some third party site to download them. There should be a workshop option, or their own mod-hub thing should have been up and functioning at release. I would have been happier about paying EIGHTY BUCKS for the game, but have it released even later so that they could have finished it and ironed out the game-breaking bugs. I no longer trust Paradox/Colossal Order, and will likely never buy a game from them again, including the new Prison Architect II that's due to release soon.
What if its good
The key with Paradox games is to wait a year - they are then what they promised at launch after the community has located all the game-breaking bugs. Sad but true.
Get ploppable by Rico! Puts the zoning in automatically
Find Stuff mod does now, as you'll see later in the video. Plus Ploppable RICO is for CSL1 not 2 ;-)
Nope, he’s got it for cs2. Ive been using it since it came out :)
No, it doesn't. Read the description: it copies the growable prefabs (RICO) to new "signature building" prefabs, which don't require zoning at all.
@@tigonologdring9189 yes and when you plop them, the zoning automatically is placed with them. Try it out
Any updates on consol?
I don’t think this is a bug.
I think this is a very expected outcome. You’ve got a single family bungalows with a backyard walking distance from the highest density areas in your city. Of course the rent is high.
Dudes live 3 blocks from canary warf what do you expect
I've shown before how they're all full of either children or retired single parents with a child and no job for either. And they never move out! 😲
@@BiffaPlaysCitiesSkylines Yes, that's the problem... the game has this idea that pre-schoolers living on their own in high-rent areas is a thing that makes sense.
I've stopped playing the game because the high rent is messing up my cities. I would love to use mods, but I'm on Geforce Now, and mods are a pain to install. Why don't they issue a fix for the land value bug (and others) right now? I don't get it.
Is it worth buying CS2 in its current state? I see videos about how performance has gotten better, but the game has many game breaking bugs.
not as bad as my elementray school crisis
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@@BiffaPlaysCitiesSkylines nevermind i fixed almost every issue and im now on max money
Biffa!!! Are you related to the garbage truck that comes to pick up my rubbish every now and then? I always wondered? Are you the owner? 😏🤫
I’m in Cambridge btw not the Massachusetts one though, the real one
Nope :-)
@@BiffaPlaysCitiesSkylines snap! You’re awesome! 🖤💜
Mods have been the best form of patch for Cities Skylines for ages.
Not sure about the overhaul mod. It literally killed off any land value near, only couple of blocs away from the "most wanted" are. Looks pretty unrealistic to me. It should probably be something between those two extremes, or only reduce the land value to 2/3 at most.
5:00 hm, the mod kind feels like it goes a little too far in the opposite direction jeez.