When Finn says things like 'who's out there saying ACDC/RHCP are amazing', I feel like these are the thoughts of someone who's part of a pretty small niche and doesn't realize it.
I like Finn's content, but I hate it every time he talks about topics like these from a personal point of view bc most of what he says is just straight bs and he treats his bs and opinions like they're facts it's really off putting
I just thought it was because he's not European. People still go completely apeshit for RHCP here and most of the modern fanboys will say that garbage like Stadium Arcadium is actually their best work.
Man, I'm going to straight up admit I still listen to pre-'92 AC/DC and pre-2004 RHCP..... they may have overstayed their welcome after those periods, but their work before that is legit, and if you don't get it, too bad for you.
@@weelchairdrivby2951 Nah not really. He just simply has different tastes than I do. And that's totally okay. But of course that will bias my opinion, but we all have biases.
Love tool and if people dont get it thats fine. i can hear the differences between the albums and depending on mood is how i choose which album to listen to. 10,000 days for example helped me in a transitional period in my life where opiate was just chill music for me
Tool deserves all the hype they get because they get 1/10th the hype of half the garbage rappers and country artists out there and produce something that is 1000 times the quality. And in all seriousness, I'm not some tool purest fan boy, I have gone years without listening to them.
I couldn’t construct a more “tool” fan response if I tried. I’m not even saying this in a bad way, I just always associated Tool with people who were more in touch with their emotional side. Glad it helped you out though, they’ve got some great music.
Imagine Dragons along with artists and Bands like Taylor Swift,Olivia Rodrigo,Harry Styles,The Arctic Monkeys,The Kooks and Paramore literally saved Rock from dying!
@@BoynamedMagnus183 that means that those bands were the most popular at the right time. But your statement isn't winning the argument about one band being better than the other.. just saying
AC/DC are massive EVERYWHERE. They fill FOOTBALL STADIUMS when they tour. Back in Black is the greatest selling hard rock album of all time. What planet does Finn live on? I'm genuinely surprised he doesn't appreciate any Bon era stuff, as that material is pretty punk in comparison to what followed.
ACDC IS THE MOST UPHYPED BAND IN THE WORLD HISTORY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THEY`RE JUST ANOTHER THE ROLLING STONES RIPOFF!!!!!!!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNDDDDS DOOOOOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think most Tool fans are just normal people who enjoy their sound. It’s a vocal minority that are off-putting and even that is overblown. I think the meme of the Tool fan has overhyped the degree to which the fandom is actually annoying. In a sense, I think what’s actually overrated about Tool is the stereotype of their fandom. They are an objectively great band by just about any metric you can measure these things with.
I never understood TOOL until i started listening to them while Tripping. Instantly turned into my favorite band of all time. They don’t just make songs, they make an experience.
Tool is completely one of a kind it both its music and its imagery. I realize that’s exactly the type of statement that gets made fun of when ppl dunk on Tool fans, but to me it’s a true statement. I get that they aren’t for everyone, but when someone wants to act like they fail to see how this isn’t appealing at all, I want to say it strikes me as more pretentious than tool fans themselves. Then again, there are countless aspects of popular culture that I am completely oblivious to its appeal, such as musicals, graphic novels, disco music, or anything that’s ever aired on the TLC channel, while it’s probably obvious to people who enjoy that stuff. So I may not be the most qualified arbiter of ‘appeal’. I just like the band, that’s all.
As a fan I like watching peoples reactions to hearing Tool for the first time, if they don't like it that's fine, I can respect someone who's given it a chance first, it's people with preconceived notions that piss me off
I see more people bitching about Tool fans than I do...actual Tool fans....reminds me of the Rick and Morty thing tbh....we get one little incident of cringey ass Rick and Morty fans and now all of a sudden if you're even seen even so much as watching this stupid fucking cartoon you're automatically some weird shut in who must be cyber bullied immediately. Tool fans who I've actually met...generally....are just people who listen to Tool. That's it.
TOOL is a great band, but the problem is they are the exactly the most accessible inaccessible band. They are jussssst normal enough to have radio singles, but weird enough to be the most advanced thing that anyone who doesn't dig into rock music beyond the radio is ever going to hear. There legitimately isn't another band that does their sound better, and their first 3 albums were all significantly different and uniquely interesting (the latest I agree sounds like total retread). EDIT: I typed all this before getting to the Olive Garden bit lol I got into them alongside Coheed and Cambria, which has a very similar fandom, and The Mars Volta, which I guess narrowly avoided this by not actually staying on the radio very long. I quickly learned that all of these bands cited King Crimson as an influence and immediately realized the depths of the genre upon investigating them.
I'm a Mars Volta fan and I always thought Coheed and Cambria was extremely corny and cringe. They always come up in the same conversation though. I guess there are a few very superficial similarities but in my mind these bands aren't even playing the same game.
I want to mention these reaction videos from this composer guy 'Key of Geebz'. He made me re-appreciate Tool. Imo they're both simple and complex, as well as sonically great.
Deftones are easily one of the most consistent 90s bands and one of a small handful who are still actually putting out great records. If anything they are underrated they have such an original sound that so many people have tried emulating.
100% agree with this! I definitely feel like they are underrated. I love their music & can't really understand why more people aren't as excited to hear their music.
Defines are the pinnacle of inconsistency; not one of their albums is good all the way through. They’re the only band I can think of that will make one of the best songs you’ve ever heard, and the next song on their album will be putrid and unlistenable
Most of the 80s Metal (Thrash, Death etc.) has so much more character in it in comparison to todays Metal, where most of it, not all of it, but most of sounds so polished and clean and predicitable with Clicktracks, Metronoms and everything perfect. Like out of a factory.
Technology tends to move forward. You can still get a raw but clean sound so many bands are doing it these days. The 80s metal bands dont compare in quality to alot of modern (raw sounding) metal without the loss of character.
It's impossible to understand the impact of the Beatles today because there already was the Beatles. The only way to really measure their impact and talent is to wonder how things would have been if they never existed. That's why it's so hard to fully appreciate innovators well after their heyday. Would I put on a Beatles album today? Probably not. But if it were the 1960s and the thousands of bands they influenced had not made music yet, i'm sure i'd be a huge fan. I always make this argument abut Jimi Hendrix. Today there are plenty of guitarist who can sound like him. But listen to rock guitar before him and you will hear a lot of rhythmic strumming of chords along with the drummer and vocals and not as much composition on its own.
I think we pretty much would've gotten here (as in their influence) via another English band one way or another. A lot was happening at that time there in the music scene and someone else would've blew up globally eventually.
Just as people say Hendrix is the greatest guitarist of all time. I don't think so, he was the greatest of his time. But given how progressive guitar playing is the greatest guitar player is one who is alive right now. Guitar playing is like skateboarding. Eventually someone comes along does what was thought to be impossible or never even thought of. Once this happens people figure out how to do it and it starts to become a coming thing. Granted there are a few things only a select few can do. Buy once that door is open people start to enter.
@@mr.onethirtyeight5088 It's an interesting what-if, for sure. I was thinking about possible alternatives. We need a band that 1) is inventive, 2) changes direction over time, and 3) started out mainstream enough to get teen listeners on board. Lots of '60s UK bands were #1; and bands like the Who or Yardbirds were #2 as well; but #3 requires baby steps, as well as tacit approval from parents. The music scene was pretty vanilla in '63 -- heartthrob vocalists, surfer songs, and folk trios. I'm not sure either band would have passed the US 'dad test,' allowing them to get famous enough to then reinvent themselves without mainstream OK. So, if mom+dad won't let you play most UK bands, that leaves what -- the Beach Boys? They were the only band that was anywhere near that big at the time. And not the 'Pet Sounds' group: Brian Wilson might have just kept making surf music without the competition of the Lennon-McCartney catalog.
I agree. I’m an 80s kid and was a huge Duran Duran fan and I remember press asking new Fab Five? And at first being an 80s kid didn’t know what the original was. But I’m sure if I was a 50s kid just like my Duran Duran love like first three albums I would’ve been just as enthralled with the Beatles 🎉🎉🎉
Lost me on the Tool opinion. Maybe some fans take it to far, but from a musician stand point, they are very important. They’re a good introduction into technical/progressive music.
Still tool are overrated AF. Anyone and everyone who remotely likes rock and mainstream metal can't stfu about them for a second. They claim they are the be all end all of musicianship. Gtfo. I like some tool too but they're overrated AF
I think everyone but Deftones on this list are super overrated. Save for nirvana whos just a bit overrated. Acdc, imagine dragons are absolute garbage.
I feel like the "hidden meaning" crowd of Tool got a lot quieter since Maynard calling them insufferable retards became such a known thing, got 'em good. Needless to say I'll never shut up about Tool because they're incredible musicians and artists to me.
Dunno if it's an urban legend, but I think they once said that they chose the band name so that their fans would walk around with a T-shirt reading "TOOL" in big letters.
Not a huge Beatles fan. I do know however that it is plain stupid to call them overrated. Nirvana too, although in this case I am also a huge fan. I don't know how he did it, but Kurt was able to communicate so much raw emotion through his performance. It fascinated me as a teenager and it still does 25 years later. Also he wrote so many good songs in such a short time, how could anyone not be at least intrigued if not flat out fascinated by him. He was our generations Jimi Hendrix, he came up, changed music forever, and then died shortly after to become a legend.
It was strange that you evaluated Radiohead by one of their albums - they’ve evolved quite a lot imo and overall make great listenable complicated music. And I think this applies to Tool - if you leave all the cult nonsense aside they make great progressive metal (without copying anyone) that appeals to a wide audience which is rare for the genre
One overlooked aspect of Radiohead and Tool is that neither of them have any sex appeal. It sounds silly, but it's actually a pretty big deal that they've made it so far based solely on their music. I'm definitely a fan of both bands, and the best concert I ever attended was Radiohead at Madison Square Garden circa 2004. Amazing show!
Imagine Dragons are more overplayed than over rated. I feel that’s why they get the hate they do. They release a song and it’s in every store and commercial and event promo.
@@MikeIzzle_ idk man, my biggest problem with their music is that even today I think they make a very 2012 sounding style of pop music, and to be honest that was a sound that had aged poorly even by 2015. I don't necessarily blame them for this as this was around the time they blew up and were (I would argue) at the peak of their relevance, but I feel like that means their huge songs back then were markers of the time, and most of what has come after that is stuck in the past trying to replicate what catapulted them to super star status. And that to me is what makes imagine dragons such a miserable listening experience. Even when it's a new song, it already sounds like the shit they play nonstop at Kohl's, Target, Chic Fil A, etc (and the insufferable Karen vibes those places usually have). A lot of groups and artists that blew up in that era also have the problem of still sounding like nothing has changed since the early 2010s, but none have gotten the prolonged and excessive plat imagine dragons gets. Sorry for going in I may be high rn
Yep. Clear Channel in the early 2010s would overplay the shit out of them on every "adult alternative" station to the point where you'd recognize the first 3 or 4 notes and immediately viscerally reach to change the station to WDVE, NPR, ESPN, WAMO or some other station... any other station. Same deal with Fall Out Boy's "My Songs Know What You Did in the Dark". Every Clear Channel station and NHL team overplayed the hell out of them to the point where it was a visceral negative reaction when you'd hear the first few notes start playing.
Normally, I love Finn's takes so much on most things. Mostly due to being able to see why people might like a certain thing, even though he himself might not, and denounce gatekeepers and elitism at every turn. With all that in mind, that AC/DC analysis was really the antithesis of this. He's human though so these things happen
There are times where Finn hits the mark and other times where his bias leaks through...which i can understand. There are some musicians that one not only cant connect with but also dislikes then trying to be objective about them is a process on its own. He doesnt strike me as a yes man or people pleaser so its probably a challenge to give every musician reverence from the same place
No one regards AC/DC as a great band. No one pretends they are musically proficient, have great technical proficiency, have a wide repertoire of musical styles, have meaningful, deep lyrics etc. They are a good, hard rocking band with every album following the same formula. I like a stack of their songs. But they are not a great band in the technical, musical proficiency sense.
In the US, I think AC/DC are rated exactly right. They are thought of as a fun band, with a bunch of good songs that may sound the same, but are good for head-banging and learning the riffs on guitar. Nobody I’ve ever heard thinks they are a transcendent influence on music- just that they are a cool starter band for people getting into rock or cool for party music. 😎
They are Melbourne pub music. They’re a group of normal blokes who made fucking awesome music. I think it’s hard to grasp if you aren’t Australian what makes this group SO special.
The only people who overrate AC/DC are their fanbase who say they’re the best band ever in comment sections. Other than that what you said about them is the truth.
I'm a pop punk fan and I would say that Tool are overrated! I'd go towards Between the Buried and Me and Gojira more! Both of them are way better than Tool and are the best prog bands of all time!
I like how you pointed out Kid A was when Radiohead stopped making guitar-driven music and then played the one song on the album that's the most straightforward rock song.
Saw tool live few months ago, they were fucking amazing. I'm not their biggest fan or whatever, but I cannot deny their technical prowess and songwriting capabilities. As well as awesome live shows.
Radiohead is not overated just because you feel one of their records are. All of these bands that you reviewed have a quality about them. They are popular and still being listened to for a reason. Each of these bands with the exception of the 80s rock bands, are unique. They have a sound that is very distinct. I would say the bands that copied other bands style are overated.
How I felt about him saying it’s overrated. He didn’t mention the bands other albums at all, and just hated on kid a calling it Olive Garden music. Like alright, you didn’t like that album (understandably, it’s not a very accessible album), but what about literally all their other albums? Rare L for the punk rock mba.
I still listen to a lot of 80s metal and I still think it's great music that stands the test of time. That being said, I listen to a lot of new metal as well. My musical tastes cross a variety of genres and decades...from the 30s & 40s until today, from jazz and big band to metal, punk, industrial and electronic. Good music is good music no matter when it was made or who made it.
Damn we should go get a drink somewhere 👍🏻 and discuss music. 100% with you. Now I would simply say one thing that makes a difference though. Music is music, but damn that 80's SOUND with all that reverb did not age well imo. YET it's ALSO a reason as to why I still listen to it from time to time and probably not a remaster of sorts if that went down the drain. We can all agree that sometimes we know something is not good, and yet we 💖 it. And honnestly, that sound thing is valid for all era of music (and also applies as of today) but that's also part of what makes those days part of history. (caps used as emphasis)
@@haileene703 Every era of music has it's signature sound for sure. Production techniques and the tech of the time as well as general trends in style are all reflected in an era's music. I find that all have their charm and don't undercut the value of the music or it's listenability. I mean...some of the old mono jazz recordings sound pretty bad by today's standards but the music, the emotion, the talent...it comes shining through.
You took the words out of my mouth when it came to The Beatles. I don't care at all about them and am not personally fan but every time I've heard a song I've always been pleasantly surprised. Dudes were a power house of songwriting and innovation.
Yea they're great and I respect it but I never listen to them by choice. If it comes on somewhere I never hate it, they have a few that I enjoy like Helter Skelter, Come Together, and Within You, Without You
@@thegoughandbordenfamily8234 if you're talking to me, I've heard plenty of their songs. She's Heavy is another good one. I think Yes made better music in the late 60's/early 70's
I love ACDC, Yes they are very samey and simplistic but that's OK. I'm not saying I like all their stuff, but those first 4 albums are a seminal piece of Rock history, it's dirty, raw, and most importantly fun.
If Radiohead had only released Kid A I'd might understand someone calling them underrated, but a band who released the bends, ok computer, in rainbows and a moon shaped pool overrated? Definitely not.
@@alexmonro1711 Yeah Hail To the Thief is sorta a middle child. Kid A is brilliant(remember the context of when the album came out, and the state of rock). After Hail to the Thief, In Rainbows came out.
Man... With a band like Tool, it helps to recognize their strengths, and realize that THEY recognize their strengths and stay in their lane, so to speak. They're all about rhythm. I think Beato pointed this out for me, they're really pretty minimalistic when it comes to harmonic content, and that lets the rhythmic and percussive elements define their sound. It's like the notes are just there to embellish the rhythm. And who else hits the "psychedelic metal" nail on the head better than Tool does with this formula? Long-form, complex rhythmic masterpieces with what is essentially a glorified drone over it makes for some of the most hypnotic and surprisingly listenable metal music you'll ever find. And if you're expecting them to be something else, then yeah, you're missing it. It's not right to say that something is overrated or otherwise not good just because it's not something else that you like. That's like saying, "potatoes are overrated because they don't taste like carrots. Everything is supposed to taste like carrots, dammit!" You can't really rate something without having a sufficient appreciation for what it is in the first place.
I really don't buy this because they never felt minimal or overly restrained in their heydey on albums like "Aenima" or "Undertow". They feel minimal and redundant now with stuff like "Fear Inoculum" because it's actually a tired rehash. So your mind has to do some gymnastics to find value in it.
@@MazaroAnonymous maybe yours does. That's probably anchor bias talking, you prefer the albums that introduced you to the band. I got into Tool with some of their later stuff, without knowing their older stuff. The first two albums were obnoxious, I thought. Maybe I'll think differently later. But I definitely never needed to do gymnastics to find value in FI. I think the sound is rich and the writing is really innovative. I could do without some of the digitized instrumental stuff, but I'll take the good with the bad. If I want perfect music I'll make it myself.
@@stevenking4617 ænima was my first and favourite album and I don’t find that it was obnoxious. I just thought that it was some super catchy rock music that still resonates with me. But to each their own, as you pointed out.
To me tool Is Maynard and Danny you don't have a band without them. Also I don't like tool because of how pretentious they come off. I like prog bands like Periphery because they have a sense of humor. Older prog bands like Rush had a sense of humor too. Tool is humorless and smug kKinda like Maynard's personality
Quite a few of these bands are self-absorbed but not over rated. Most of them are also very influential and maybe people don't like them but do listen to a band that was heavily influenced by them.
With 80's metal in general while some has definitely aged poorly, it did have the impact on inspiring Power Metal as a genre which is still going strong. I listen to a lot besides 80's inspired metal, but I love a ton of it. I definitely agree that people who will only listen to literal 80's metal are pretty ridiculous though.
Good point, also you could take all the praise and criticisms of 80s metal and apply them to Nirvana equally. both deserve credit but at the end of the day, your preference is all that stands
Plus all of these genres have the same pattern. Whether it's NWOBHM, American hardcore punk, thrash, grunge, etc., you start off with a fresh wave of innovators who create the sound, then you have the groups that follow in their wake, and then you have the bland wannabes that overwhelm the scene as it begins to die down. When people hate on one genre, they may not be aware of its earlier days. Early hair metal was certainly better than late 80's/early 90's hair metal.
The interesting thing about 80's metal is that it was the one time in history when metal conquered pop culture, and heavy metal could be described as bright, joyful, fun, sexy, and life-affirming. But after the Grundge wave knocked heavy metal off the main stage, it had a demoralizing effect on all music. Everything got darker, more neurotic. Rock music had to sound more bummed out. And after Cobain's suicide and Grunge trends fizzled out, lots of violent ghetto hip-hop filled the void. Metal fans in the 90's had to look to darker currents in the underground for inspiration: first Thrash - and then Death Metal, Black Metal, Doom Metal, etc. On the upside, we got some great extreme metal bands out of the darkening of the 90's. Lots of great death metal and black metal (and metalcore by extension). But hasn't it almost been played out? Why does metal have to keep sinking DOWN? These days, I'm too jaded to be impressed by most rock/metal bands still milking themes of "darkness." I grew up immersed in the post-grunge malaise, escaping into all the death metal, black metal, doom metal, metalcore, deathcore, and whatever I could find. But I wonder if it's grown stale for our generation. We've already heard darkness, depression, and anger done well enough through countless death and black metal acts. New albums trying too hard to sound evil or depressing just make me bored, and most of them are derivative. Lately, I've found it refreshing to look back on Glam Metal (the best of it, at least) as just another genre of extreme metal, misunderstood and unfairly dismissed. It's extreme in its unapologetic pride, confidence, glamor, audacity, and carefree, maximally euphoric 80's cool vibes approach. And it's amazingly subversive when compared to the monotonously dark, neurotic, depressing, and politically correct themes which have dominated modern rock/metal scenes ever since Cobain's self-loathing Grunge attitude influenced the entire music industry and set the tone of the future. The difference is...modern rap music may be volatile, but it doesn't doesn't often encourage weird levels of neuroticism or self-deprecation like in much depressive metal and alt-rock, so it's no surprise that prideful rap artists have become more attractive to newer generations who don't want to be bummed out all the time. Rock/metal has become the genre associated with downers, burnouts, stoners, djenty guitar nerds, and anti-social/self-hating whiny white dudes. After 30 years of this, is it possible to bring rock and metal out of the dark and add a bit of vibrancy and vitality to keep it alive? Metal shows in the 80's were bright, colorful events, packed full of fun-loving guys and beautiful women who danced and sang along to catchy anthems, excited by charasmatic lead singers and shredding guitarists. I did not see anything nearly as interesting at the last progressive deathcore show I attended. I'm not saying we should go back to Glam Metal or imitate it directly in any way, but it's very interesting to reconsider as an anidote to the current era's malaise. Maybe it could serve as some sort of inspiration to resist the trend of demoralization that began in the 90's mainstream?
Iron Maiden always deserves mention with regard to 80s rock, regardless of claims of sell-out. I do not think they ever did sell-out, but they became popular because their musical arrangements were exceptional skill-wise. Some might consider them too artsy as well lol... take "run to the hills"! It is like they give history lessons as well.
Funny thing about Tool is that they, themselves, really don't seem to care about any of the stuff that their fans so rabidly fan over. I love the band for that reason among many. They just act like their entire discography is one giant shitpost, despite them knowing full well the love and care they put into their stuff. Love them or hate them, it's hard to ignore that they see the ridiculousness in it all, and they really only care about the music
@@dillon4060 stadium Arcadiam is there best work in my opinion! It has wide variety of sounds and great song writing! Love blood sugar sex magic, californiacation, by the way, one hot minute, and even some of there newer stuff!
It's just the hipster opinion to say only up to BSSM was good and everything after sucked. Oddly enough, it's that contrarian situation he talked about earlier in the video. People just hate on the later stuff because it got popular and sounded different from the first few albums as though all bands don't change over time (especially over ~40 years) and that getting the same 2 or 3 albums released over and over for half a decade would be something anybody wants 🤣🤣
I’m a huge Tool fan, and I know there are people who think Tool is overrated, but guess what? That’s okay. It is well known that Maynard and the guys want fans to interpret music how they see fit. Take the grunge bands for example. Of the “big 4,” Nirvana. AIC, Pearl Jam, and Soundgarden, Nirvana was the most recognizable. But for me, I liked them the least of the 4. Don’t get me wrong, I like Nirvana, but for me, Soundgarden was my favorite from that era, mainly because of Chris Cornell’s incredible voice.
I love The Beatles, they were the stepping stone into the wonderful world of music and all it's types. Dad is a huge fan, particularly of Lennon, and as a child I heard a lot of their stuff... From the 70s when I was born
And as that 55 year old that that Finn thinks no one should hang out with (😕) I can comfortably say that AC/DC kind of sucked back in 1980 and they still suck now. Did I listen to them in the sixth grade? Of course, everybody did. But by 1985 I, and most of the world, we're done with them and moved on to other stuff.
Without the 80's metal, you wouldn't have any of the extreme sub-genres that came after, man, imagine to listen Reign in Blood when it came out, that would've been some experience...
I’ve seen tool live twice and it was insanely tight. I’m not really a huge fan, but to call them mid while also calling them “phenomenal musicians” is pretty stupid. Their extremely spiritual fan base is what inclines people to say they’re overrated. I totally understand that because it turned me away from them as well. But I know/know of far too many musicians who aspire to be as good as them to say they’re mid. What those dudes are able to pull off live every show is no joke.
@@aegisreflector1239 I think Finn is the most overrated thing in this conversation. I mean, the guy has more followers than just his wife and mom. How did he break that glass ceiling???
Agree on Coldplay, but U2's 90s output was top-notch, just watch their Live in Sydney 1993. It's since the early 2000s that they started to go bland and flavorless
Rock music is the only genre where we bitch "they've made the same album for decades." Then some turn around and still say "the sold out, they changed." 🤦
@@bucketsaremyfriend there are plenty of knock off's that have tried but don't sound very good. Earshot being one of them. It's easy to tell they influenced a lot of bands that came after them.
@@bucketsaremyfriend most metal is unlistenable. TOOL makes sing songs with heavy riffs while talking about sexual abuse. in ease of access alone they're superior, objectively
Finn: I Can’t Stand Shoegaze Bruh, when you made your “worst genres video” you literally only played MBV and Turnover. One of which is basically the number one gateway into the genre, the other one isn’t even 100% Shoegaze, more alternative rock. 🗿
Its weird, but I respect AC/DC and The Beatles for doing the opposite thing. The Beatles rapidly evolved their sound within a decade, whereas AC/DC found a sound they liked, found an audience for it, and stuck to it for many decades.
Objectively they can be overrated in the literal sense of the word but it is not undeserved. Classics like "Strawberry Fields" and "Penny Lane" aside, all their other stuff is just wow. They did in 8 years what most people cant do in lifelong careers.
It's just amazing how many Beatles songs are deeply ingrained in Western pop culture. I never sat down to listen to a Beatles album, hell, I never even actively chose to listen to a Beatles song (with one exception one time I randomly played "Strawberry Fields" on YT), and yet, when Kye Smith did his 5-minute Beatles drum chronology I still recognized most of the songs
To me, good music is timeless. A well-written/well performed song/album is always gonna still be good to the ears. If I, a 25 year old gen z’er can listen to and love and be passionate about music like Dion and the belmonts from the 50s, to Thin Lizzy, Motörhead, Slayer, and other newer bands and genres, then so can others. I feel like the thought process of “old music is bad” is just so limiting when there’s enough good music to last a person hundreds of lifetimes over. All it takes is an open mind/ear. Even if the production isn’t that great, good songs will still shine through as being good songs.
Same age here and I agree 100%. I like old music, I mean I listen to classical stuff, and that's centuries old. 80's music ain't a problem for me. I like new stuff too.
Good post. I've watched about 10 of this guys videos over the last year or so, but don't subscribe because he so clearly has a bias towards a very narrow range of musical taste and I don't perceive any form of personal music talent or theory behind what he's into other than vibes from when he was at an impressionable age.
As a 22yo gen z, I can't even stand modern hard rock and metal. The only newer rock I listen to are hipster bands like The Arcric Monkeys, The Neighbourhood, The Pretty Reckless and Maneskin (they're not hipster but okay). Modern hard rock and metal It's so overproduced, dark and hypermasculine. They take themsevles too seriously and do nothing to seem interesting. IMO hating old music is as close minded like hating fashion or designs just because it's 'outdated'. It's the reversed 'born in the wrong generation'.
In all honesty, not liking something simply because it's old comes across as a fashion victim mentality. I never quite understood people that feel the need to constantly update their musical tastes, while dismissing all the stuff that they supposedly loved for no other reason than it's over a decade old, or somehow the bands' image is now seen as dreadfully uncool. I mean, I can put on an old Doo-Wop, Garage Rock or 80s Metal compilation and just appreciate it for what it is, catchy melodies or fun songwriting. If you're into music you'll always be on the lookout for new exciting music and all that, but some of the music might be stuff that was made before you were born, I don't see how that's a bad thing?
Timeless sure… until it’s overdone, maybe. I can think of so many great, classic songs that have been played into the ground. When you grow up around music from decades prior and then it’s like one day you wake up to realize, “wait, I’m 30 years old and they’re STILL playing these songs??” It becomes a bit much… It’s like the people at the radio stations decided that culture peaked 40+ years ago when they were young and there’s no getting better, so let’s just play all the favorites from back in the heyday. It’s kinda lame tbh… I love a timeless tune, but when you’ve heard them thousands of times it’s like “alright…” At what point do people move on? Explore the now? I don’t blame people for not liking pop radio, not one bit… but to say “all music nowadays sucks?” They aren’t even looking or giving anything in the wider world of modern music a fair shake… what makes them think they can even have an opinion? It’s a blanket statement made on an extremely small sample size. There’s lots of great music today that will stand up to time too, and it isn’t given the same platform to shine on. It’s a shame.
Respect to AC/DC for playing the same chunky guitar riffs and anthem lyrics for 40 years that’s why even their new albums always sell great and land at #1 on the billboard sales chart which is really rare for an older legacy Rock band. ✊🏻
They've always just been themselves. Through six different decades of changing technology, fashion, popular trends, etc. They just continue to ignore everyone else and stick to their guns. Mad respect to them.
Nirvana Unplugged was damn masterpiece! Don’t care what anyone says. Can listen to the entire album today and not skip a song. No way they’re overrated! Great video btw! Keep it up
@@ChristopherStandardTime Even the “Unplugged” album? I can see why people don’t like they’re studio albums but that one was just amazing I thought. Give it another listen and report back.
The AC/DC phase if you were born after their relevancy. Kid will love AC/DC Teen will like AC/DC but only the bon Scott stuff Adult: why listen to AC/DC when I could to listen to 200 other artists that do diff things… okay I’ll put on ‘let there be rock’ one more time , again.
I'm still not sure why Finn believes that the embarassingly over-enthusiastic nerds that can be found at the core of every fandom only delegitimizes certain bands he's fond of tearing down... or damning with faint praise. He loves tossing out the 'Olive Garden' metaphor for music that uber-fans consider brilliant, but always fails to make the criticism stick by refusing to put his own tastes on the line. In this case, he neglects to provide us with his idea of the Michelin Guide 3-starred cuisine that makes Radiohead seem like Olive Garden. I'm interested in hearing who he has in mind, or if there's anyone at all.
this comment is kinda snarky, but it's a good point that i would like to know which bands are the legit ones, so i can go listen to em cuz i always love some Finn-curated recommendations. He's how i got into slam, i'm a big Devourment fan now lol
@Roberto Vidal Garcia once again, just to be clear, the side you're arguing is that Imagine Dragons is a more creative band than Tool, I think that speaks for itself, no more arguing required.
@Roberto Vidal Garcia Let's sum up this conversation, everything I've said so far has been an obvoius joke including my first comment, these have all gone COMPLETELY over your head while simultaneously working you into a fit of rage all while you project all of your elitist music opinions onto a random dude on the internet, but yeah, it's the Tool fans that are out of control.... LOL.
"AC/DC writes the same album over & over and that's bad" Later: "I love Slayer" I'm not hating on you. But, c'mon. Slayer does the same thing every album as well.
FYI Back in Black was one of the highest sold albums of all time. They also came out with an album in 2020 that reached number one in 21 countries. It sold 1.4 million copies worldwide. Red Hot Chili Peppers just released an album debuting at number-one in 16 different countries and are about to begin a world stadium tour.
yeah this guys normally pretty spot on but calling one of the last great rock bands irrelevant was pretty stupid. Watch out or get THUNDERSTRUCK hahaha
They're one of the biggest name brand rock bands. Sonically, their music was always sound, never what I'd call low quality. Sure they wrote the samey kind of albums over and over. But some people also can't stand when bands evolve or change. You can call them a great band without believing they're the best of all time. That's where I stand on them. I have a couple of merch items of theirs because I respect their love for rock as a genre and understand their influence on people. I saw them live and even with Axle Rose they still put on a fantastic show. They're great but there are artists I enjoy more than them.
Dude Finn is on point with a lot of things but every once in a while he says something so out of touch and dumb I can’t believe he’s serious. “Who’s saying AC/DC is a great band?” EVERYONE dude. And they just had a huge hit in 2021 so.. 🤷🏻♂️
Yees! They literally sold out in Europe around 2009 and I guarantee they would sell out again in next couple of years. People love them and them not taking themsevles seriously is not necessary bad.
@@limpbrisket6851 I think Angus Young is overrated but you can’t say the band is overrated they have absolutely earned their status as one of the greatest bands of all time..
Kid a was the first thing I ever heard by radiohead and I fell in love with it. I never knew anything about the band or their fans. The song treefingers is so great to me
I'm confused, why when talking about Radiohead, only Kid A is taken in to consideration? They have 8 other albums. This is supposed to be a video about overated bands (which I'd say Radiohead aren't), not overated albums.
Most of the 80s metal that wasn’t glam or, over the top cheesy has aged pretty well I think. Love me some merciful fate, Slayer, a lot of those classic speed/heavy/Thrash/Death metal bands still sound good.
Holy shit that Radiohead take is radioactive (teehee). You can tell his Radiohead take is mid because he only talks about Kid A and not the 5 albums afterwards. Like, you can't in one breath say that The Beatles weren't overrated as a result of their auditory experimentation but then say that Radiohead's auditory experimentation isn't that experimental. And to not even mention that In Rainbows was one of the first records to be a "pay what you want" release seems to be almost purposeful. I vividly remember when In Rainbows came out and it was a groundbreaking record. He can say the music isn't that great but if you look at the critical reception and the commercial performance, it's pretty clear that Finn either didn't bother doing the research or is refusing to give credit where credit is due to generate discussion. Either way, the lack of research is pretty clear here to me.
yeah... seemed like his friend annoyed him about kid a enough that he wanted revenge lol. I've listened to a lot of out-there stuff in music, and kid a is still great. calling it background music is not something i can understand
What?! I just saw RHCP live and they absolutely destroyed the stage. Finn has praised Blink 182 and Good Charlotte but he thinks RHCP is outdated and irrelevant…fude, I enjoy your vids but you need to accept the fact you love poppy boy bands
@@willamschultz2169 Nah I wouldn't say so. RHCP lacks this "music and lyrics for teenagers" vibe. And while they play rather soft for a rock band they are more on the funk side than pop.
Number one for me will ALWAYS be Foo Fighters. They are the most watered down, mom and dad friendly, radio safe rock music out there. When I say watered down I literally mean their riffs sound purposefully watered down to not upset the moms when it gets played at the pee wee football halftime break right after the censored version of “lose yourself” by Eminem gets played for the 10000000th time at a youth sport game
Dude, South of Heaven stills kicks ass to this day, and as far as Deftones.. Deftones are the only band that managed to grow up with me. The whole band is fire and I don’t understand any hate these guys get.
Yeah not to mention he praises bands who pull like 80% of their sound from deftones. Those guys invented a whole sound that paved a way for a huge sonic segment of modern day heavy music.
I'm a HUGE Deftones fan, don't like any of those 3 things he listed "all" Deftones fans like. He's just trying to be edgy and try to stand out. There's a reason I unsubbed from the channel a LONG time ago.
This. I get so tired of Chili Peppers appearing on every radio station. I often find them on several stations at the same time. While they have some good songs, I'm tired of hearing them. Same goes with Aerosmith. Radio stations won't stop playing them.
@@jimmym3352 that's because they have a few songs that are overplayed, but it's definitely like 4-5 songs, i wouldn't jusge them based on that, before i got into them i knew just the hits, but honestly the album "blood sugar sex magik" is incredible, funky hard rock, and aside from "under the bridge" you wouldn't hear it in the radio
At least Half my high school my freshman year 2006-2007. Stadium Arcadium dropped and that album was everywhere. Hands down the most popular rock band at my school. I just thought they were really meh and got so sick of Dani California and that Hey Oh song.
I think Radiohead and Tool *should* belong in the same boat as Green Day and Nirvana as bands that combine edgy underground influences with genuinely great pop-friendly songwriting, and absolutely deserve praise because of that. The only issue is that their aesthetics come across as more highbrow and intellectual, which makes their fans a billion times more pretentious.
Ya I could see radio friendly.....almost. back in the day at least. Not the writing tho. I think a lot of people more so liked the sound and didn't take the time to actually listen to the lyrics.
@@harrisonwilroy2480 OK maybe not pop-friendly, but a lot of their stuff is at least mainstream-rock-friendly, which is sort of pop-friendly by extension. And both Radiohead and Tool have songs that are genuinely really out there, but in my humble opinion their more accessible songs tend to be better. Accessibility is a strength, not a weakness.
Imagine Dragons is what Kurt feared the world would do to Nirvana. The constant playing of his music everywhere, as soon as a song drops it’s instantly looped and played out within 3 days. Makes you hate hearing yourself…then in turn people hate him too so it’s a lot of stress to handle being hated for trying to make great music when the media are the ones causing you to get hated.
I’ve actually heard people say that exact thing about songs like Smells Like Teen Spirit. It really sucks how a band can get a bad rep because radio stations suck.
I really wouldn't call Deftones overrated. If anything they're probably neither over nor underrated. Kinda just right. I was at a System of a Down show with Deftones opening and only I and a few other people were going crazy for their music, everyone else was just waiting for System. 3rd time I had seen Deftones too and the only time I had ever seen them play in front of an entire stadium because System could fill a stadium and Deftones couldn't. But System comes out and the whole place goes nuts. So I'd probably put System in place of Deftones in this vid if I were you, System is hugely overrated, they were crazy popular and when they got back together people, including myself, were so stoked to go see them. I feel like people think Deftones are overrated because they were able to step out of the nu-metal scene and grow much more melodically and add shoegazey and trancey things, very dissonant, and it worked out fantastically for them while other nu-metal bands decayed into nothingness and/or cringe factories. So you gotta praise them for changing their sound and actually getting better and growing their fanbase actually which is a rare thing when a band changes their sound.
@@charliet.sanford2495 I disagree. Anthony may not be the best singer but I couldn't imagine the band without him. His writing and vocal style just works too well with the rest of the band in my opinion.
@@ButterclawEnthusiast I don’t dislike his writing or studio singing. I think it works great with the rest of the band in the studio. But there’s so much footage of him being terrible live. And I get that bands have off nights. But I’ve seen them live twice and it was terrible. Also seen a ton of live performances online where he’s just not good. More bad than good. Makes me wonder how much magic fairy dust they put on his vocal tracks in the studio.
Okay Tool is selling out Right now everywhere they go at sixty years old. They don't have an LP right now, or any songs on the radio. Yes steal they SAIL out everywhere they go, they Headlined one of the 2 biggest rock festivals last year and co headlind the other. And you must not forget. They are the last band in rock and roll to be number one on the planet when they knock the tailor swift off. Period so I just don't know how that is overrated. Maybe a lot of people don't like it. But finally us tool obsessed. Fans have the right to stand up and say this is our Fan Card and it counts dammit.
I love Tool's and the Deftones' discography, like they're in the top ~50 hours of music I played last month in terms of what I consider the best individual songs listened to over the span of those songs (tidal gives me a list of my top 25 artists streamed each month along with how many times I've streamed each of their songs and approx. 50 hours were spent listening in may to those top 25), but they're definitely not the best music ever that some of their superfans make them out to be - I went to see Tool for their Fear Inoculum tour and they were fantastic (and they played a couple older songs, too), but, again, not the mind-altering hype they're made out to be. That being said I think calling something overrated because there's a cult following that sets an entirely unrealistic (and obviously unrealistic) and impossible bar for their musical ability is a bit pedantic in the use of the word. If we're going by "is their music as good as their fans say it is" then you can't openly dismiss criticism of Nirvana because of their influence.. which Tool had just as much of at the exact same time period as Nirvana in the Prog. Metal/Rock scene, which I'm assuming you aren't aware of or haven't noticed because you probably just aren't into Progressive Rock/Metal (which is fine, I don't think anyone should expect someone talking about their views on music to know everything about everything they're talking about, especially in something that is as culturally obscure as progressive music); just kind of a double standard in your line of thinking. If we're going by your definition I agree that Tool is overrated, and in the same vein I also think that Nirvana is overrated. Personally if a band's music isn't as good as what they're socially believed to be (Queen, Nirvana, Metallica, Tool) regardless of their influence I would still consider them overrated - not in a negative way but in a "they don't live up to the hype" sort of way. Nirvana influenced people because they were different, not because they were the best at the time, even at their own genre (because that is wholly subjective). I'd group Nirvana and Tool together there, along with Metallica, Queen, Slayer, etc. They're all good bands that played good or even great/fantastic music but they're not anywhere near as perfect as their fans make them out to be.
These bands have more than a cult following, they are famous millionaire internationally famous bands. I liked them too when I was 15 but they're grotesquely overrated AF
@@aegisreflector1239 I meant that the people who had the "these are the best bands ever" mentality were a cult following, not that their fans (the people who just enjoy their music) are a cult following.
AC/DC are huuuuuge in Australia. National treasures. Hailed as one of the greatest bands of all time. It's considered un-Australian to not love them. Never seen the appeal myself, personally. But I'm a Brit, so I can somewhat get away with it.
Big Deftones fan myself since WP came out, till this day. But just look for a random Deftones videoclip on youtube and check the comments. It’s kinda cringy to be honest.
I've always felt Nirvana was overrated but I had a lot of friends in high school that loved them. Not sure if they're overrated or I just got sick of hearing them/about them. (I am in no way saying they're bad)
One word?! Passenger!! Tool and Deftones deserve way more attention than they already get. As an older dude, Deftones early mix of screaming and metal, in the 90s, was a huuuuuuge gateway band for me. Opened my mind up, to A ton of different new bands for me! A lot of people my age still refer to the screaming as cookie monster shit
Man. Stadium Arcadium is an amazing album. Its easy to hate on Kiedis but Flea and Frusciante are 2 of the greatest guitarists of our time. RHCP is not overrated. Terrible take.
Nirvana just has a special sound to me and it's interesting to think about Kurt's lyrics cause alot of it's poetic. Just wish I could of saw them live.
Overrated: Rolling Stones Underrated: The Kinks IDK why the Stones get mentioned and venerated in the same breathe as The Beatles, while The Kinks were putting out more rockier and subversive hits in the same time frame.
A band that is very highly rated but justly so is Pink Floyd. Their experimental stuff is really great, but everything they've done has been great. I think most of the pseudo elitists bands are overrated like you said : Radiohead, Tool and others. They're good but it's not the ultimate music experience. I just don't get the Deftones hype though, it's alright but nothing special imo. But I would say Metallica is UNDERrated. It's hugely successful of course, but many people today spit on it like it's not that good and only a few songs are good, that Kirk Hamett and Lars Ulrich are bad and therefore it can't be good, etc. Metallica is extraordinary and hugely influencial, the lyrics are very interesting, and although after the black album I'm not a fan, their first 10 years were insanely good.
Huge Deftones fan here. Weird to hear them as overrated. I used to get so much shit from my friends in high school who just didn’t get it. Almost got in a fight with one kid in school because he kept talking shit and taking things too far. Dude was a shameless Linkin Park fanboy haha.
@Roberto Vidal Garcia idk. I grew up in small town where kids were either into country or “bro metal” or punk bands. I think Chino has repetitive themes with his lyrics and probably could have gained more fans if he had been more willing to go heavier. But overall I think Deftones are a great band whose music has held up much better than most bands over the years.
Tool's first 4 albums are all really good but they're kind of just going through the motions at this point. And I say this a huge fan of them: their fans are insufferable.
With the Beatles and Nirvana i think its hard to separate the music from the total impact the band had. Like both of those bands came out and torched what had been popular. So that view gets kind of lost in everything. Then you’re trying to explain why the Beatles are so amazing and someone is hearing ‘she loves you yeah yeah yeah’ 45 times in one song. Kind of the same with Nirvana and their nonsensical sounding lyrics at first glance. Overall id say most of my overrated band viewpoints are based on their fans not shutting up. Ever.
I totally agree it's a hole fans. I get the impact those bands had though. In terms of cultural impact, there's a strong argument to be made that both of those bands are underrated. Personally I find Nirvana boring and The Beatles obnoxious but, squares gonna square.
@Roberto Vidal Garcia yeah I don't take away anything from them I tried to convey that if you think either is underrated I'm not going to think less of you. I don't however need to be convinced to agree with anyone that's the a hole fan half of it, everyone on the planet has heard them if ain't a fan by now and I'm getting older someone telling me how great they are is just being needlessly annoying. It's part of how being punk coming up made me nicer, I know I'm not convincing anyone to love The Lawrence Arms or Smoke or Fire as much as I do so it's easier not to be pushy about my interests in general.
people say that a lot of these bands are overrated just because they had an album that broke through and sold millions of copies. like people saying nirvana is overrated? that is so stupid. they basically started a new genre of music and buried hair metal for good. they deserve all the credit they get. nevermind was one of the best albums ever made. every song on there was good
When Finn says things like 'who's out there saying ACDC/RHCP are amazing', I feel like these are the thoughts of someone who's part of a pretty small niche and doesn't realize it.
I like Finn's content, but I hate it every time he talks about topics like these from a personal point of view bc most of what he says is just straight bs and he treats his bs and opinions like they're facts it's really off putting
@@derwilhelmovic1617 What's odd is in his old videos he used to make a lot of effort not be dismissive
I just thought it was because he's not European. People still go completely apeshit for RHCP here and most of the modern fanboys will say that garbage like Stadium Arcadium is actually their best work.
Man, I'm going to straight up admit I still listen to pre-'92 AC/DC and pre-2004 RHCP..... they may have overstayed their welcome after those periods, but their work before that is legit, and if you don't get it, too bad for you.
@@Caffeine_Club millions of people still do, too bad Finn doesn't realize that
It's funny how spot on you are about the Tool and Radiohead fanbases while simultaneously being dead wrong about both bands themselves.
Facts. This guy doesn't really know much about music or the bands he's talking about
@@phaidros7069 butthurt
@@weelchairdrivby2951 Nah not really. He just simply has different tastes than I do. And that's totally okay. But of course that will bias my opinion, but we all have biases.
@@phaidros7069 I feel the same. The few times I stoped here I always felt this dude just wants to create drama with his opinions.
@@andrepereira744 Facts
Love tool and if people dont get it thats fine. i can hear the differences between the albums and depending on mood is how i choose which album to listen to. 10,000 days for example helped me in a transitional period in my life where opiate was just chill music for me
Me too I can definitely hear the differences between the albums
Major differences in the albums! There is more to pick on tool about but having the same album was a bad call.
No tool album is the same. None are as good as lateralus but tool hasn’t made a bad album.
Tool deserves all the hype they get because they get 1/10th the hype of half the garbage rappers and country artists out there and produce something that is 1000 times the quality. And in all seriousness, I'm not some tool purest fan boy, I have gone years without listening to them.
I couldn’t construct a more “tool” fan response if I tried. I’m not even saying this in a bad way, I just always associated Tool with people who were more in touch with their emotional side. Glad it helped you out though, they’ve got some great music.
The fact he basically said Imagine Dragons is better than Tool. I’m not even a huge Tool fan but that’s just insane.
Your comment made me decide not to watch the video
He definitely didn't say Imagine Dragons was better than Tool.
Imagine Dragons along with artists and Bands like Taylor Swift,Olivia Rodrigo,Harry Styles,The Arctic Monkeys,The Kooks and Paramore literally saved Rock from dying!
@@BoynamedMagnus183 that means that those bands were the most popular at the right time. But your statement isn't winning the argument about one band being better than the other.. just saying
@@BoynamedMagnus183 those are all essentially Pop, not rock music.
AC/DC are massive EVERYWHERE. They fill FOOTBALL STADIUMS when they tour. Back in Black is the greatest selling hard rock album of all time. What planet does Finn live on? I'm genuinely surprised he doesn't appreciate any Bon era stuff, as that material is pretty punk in comparison to what followed.
Agreed on every point, except that even the Bon era stuff has the most boring drumming ever put down on tape.
@@UnvisibleINK Yes! I thought I was the only one who noticed that
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I agree on almost every point here.
I think most Tool fans are just normal people who enjoy their sound. It’s a vocal minority that are off-putting and even that is overblown. I think the meme of the Tool fan has overhyped the degree to which the fandom is actually annoying. In a sense, I think what’s actually overrated about Tool is the stereotype of their fandom. They are an objectively great band by just about any metric you can measure these things with.
I never understood TOOL until i started listening to them while Tripping. Instantly turned into my favorite band of all time. They don’t just make songs, they make an experience.
Tool is completely one of a kind it both its music and its imagery. I realize that’s exactly the type of statement that gets made fun of when ppl dunk on Tool fans, but to me it’s a true statement. I get that they aren’t for everyone, but when someone wants to act like they fail to see how this isn’t appealing at all, I want to say it strikes me as more pretentious than tool fans themselves. Then again, there are countless aspects of popular culture that I am completely oblivious to its appeal, such as musicals, graphic novels, disco music, or anything that’s ever aired on the TLC channel, while it’s probably obvious to people who enjoy that stuff. So I may not be the most qualified arbiter of ‘appeal’. I just like the band, that’s all.
or maybe they're just overrated af
As a fan I like watching peoples reactions to hearing Tool for the first time, if they don't like it that's fine, I can respect someone who's given it a chance first, it's people with preconceived notions that piss me off
I see more people bitching about Tool fans than I do...actual Tool fans....reminds me of the Rick and Morty thing tbh....we get one little incident of cringey ass Rick and Morty fans and now all of a sudden if you're even seen even so much as watching this stupid fucking cartoon you're automatically some weird shut in who must be cyber bullied immediately. Tool fans who I've actually met...generally....are just people who listen to Tool. That's it.
TOOL is a great band, but the problem is they are the exactly the most accessible inaccessible band. They are jussssst normal enough to have radio singles, but weird enough to be the most advanced thing that anyone who doesn't dig into rock music beyond the radio is ever going to hear. There legitimately isn't another band that does their sound better, and their first 3 albums were all significantly different and uniquely interesting (the latest I agree sounds like total retread). EDIT: I typed all this before getting to the Olive Garden bit lol
I got into them alongside Coheed and Cambria, which has a very similar fandom, and The Mars Volta, which I guess narrowly avoided this by not actually staying on the radio very long. I quickly learned that all of these bands cited King Crimson as an influence and immediately realized the depths of the genre upon investigating them.
even i thought schism was kind of weird to get on the radio
Ah someone mentioned Mars Volta.
I'm a Mars Volta fan and I always thought Coheed and Cambria was extremely corny and cringe. They always come up in the same conversation though. I guess there are a few very superficial similarities but in my mind these bands aren't even playing the same game.
Absolutely agree with this
I want to mention these reaction videos from this composer guy 'Key of Geebz'. He made me re-appreciate Tool. Imo they're both simple and complex, as well as sonically great.
Deftones are easily one of the most consistent 90s bands and one of a small handful who are still actually putting out great records. If anything they are underrated they have such an original sound that so many people have tried emulating.
Music is subjective. I can’t make it through a single Deftones song.
100% agree with this! I definitely feel like they are underrated. I love their music & can't really understand why more people aren't as excited to hear their music.
agreed, deftones is one of THE best bands out there, even after multiple albums I can still enjoy listening to the most recent ones.
you're absolutely right.
Defines are the pinnacle of inconsistency; not one of their albums is good all the way through. They’re the only band I can think of that will make one of the best songs you’ve ever heard, and the next song on their album will be putrid and unlistenable
For someone who talks so much about bands earning a living, Finn sure fucking hates any kind of progressive music being popular.
It’s almost like he hates it because it’s not supposed to happen
True, Opeth, Gojira, Dream Theater, Meshuggah, Mastodon are good fucking examples on how wrong his opinion is..
@@adlerdefender8067 especially mastodon
It's amusing watching a contrarian calling out a contrarian
no progressive music is popular lmao
Deftones is the only band I can listen to over and over and over and never get tired of
Cool band.
Its because theyre fucking great
@@peepodhumperdink4456 Do you know about Hamlet? It's a Spanish band with a lot of Deftones influence.
Me with TOOL
Same here, every album is a masterpiece with its own unique sound
Most of the 80s Metal (Thrash, Death etc.) has so much more character in it in comparison to todays Metal, where most of it, not all of it, but most of sounds so polished and clean and predicitable with Clicktracks, Metronoms and everything perfect. Like out of a factory.
I 100% agree with you I miss raw metal
Technology tends to move forward. You can still get a raw but clean sound so many bands are doing it these days. The 80s metal bands dont compare in quality to alot of modern (raw sounding) metal without the loss of character.
I agree, 80s and early 90s metal will always be the best.
You get it. 100%.
@@flexame better technology does not necessarily equal better music, specially if the style is driven by raw human emotions.
It's impossible to understand the impact of the Beatles today because there already was the Beatles. The only way to really measure their impact and talent is to wonder how things would have been if they never existed. That's why it's so hard to fully appreciate innovators well after their heyday. Would I put on a Beatles album today? Probably not. But if it were the 1960s and the thousands of bands they influenced had not made music yet, i'm sure i'd be a huge fan. I always make this argument abut Jimi Hendrix. Today there are plenty of guitarist who can sound like him. But listen to rock guitar before him and you will hear a lot of rhythmic strumming of chords along with the drummer and vocals and not as much composition on its own.
I think we pretty much would've gotten here (as in their influence) via another English band one way or another. A lot was happening at that time there in the music scene and someone else would've blew up globally eventually.
Just as people say Hendrix is the greatest guitarist of all time. I don't think so, he was the greatest of his time. But given how progressive guitar playing is the greatest guitar player is one who is alive right now. Guitar playing is like skateboarding. Eventually someone comes along does what was thought to be impossible or never even thought of. Once this happens people figure out how to do it and it starts to become a coming thing. Granted there are a few things only a select few can do. Buy once that door is open people start to enter.
@@mr.onethirtyeight5088 It's an interesting what-if, for sure. I was thinking about possible alternatives. We need a band that 1) is inventive, 2) changes direction over time, and 3) started out mainstream enough to get teen listeners on board. Lots of '60s UK bands were #1; and bands like the Who or Yardbirds were #2 as well; but #3 requires baby steps, as well as tacit approval from parents. The music scene was pretty vanilla in '63 -- heartthrob vocalists, surfer songs, and folk trios. I'm not sure either band would have passed the US 'dad test,' allowing them to get famous enough to then reinvent themselves without mainstream OK. So, if mom+dad won't let you play most UK bands, that leaves what -- the Beach Boys? They were the only band that was anywhere near that big at the time. And not the 'Pet Sounds' group: Brian Wilson might have just kept making surf music without the competition of the Lennon-McCartney catalog.
I agree. I’m an 80s kid and was a huge Duran Duran fan and I remember press asking new Fab Five? And at first being an 80s kid didn’t know what the original was. But I’m sure if I was a 50s kid just like my Duran Duran love like first three albums I would’ve been just as enthralled with the Beatles 🎉🎉🎉
people don't deny the beatles influence. You could even say thats a big reason why people hate them
Lost me on the Tool opinion. Maybe some fans take it to far, but from a musician stand point, they are very important. They’re a good introduction into technical/progressive music.
I'm not even s big tool fan, but I do appreciate their stuff. Especially live. My wife loves them so we've gone a few times. Great shows!
I’m not a musician but the drums are killer and I like their music. It’s different then most stuff.
yeah and live they are amazing
Well, he is a Blink 182 fan sooo...Doesn't surprise me that Tool escapes him..
Still tool are overrated AF. Anyone and everyone who remotely likes rock and mainstream metal can't stfu about them for a second. They claim they are the be all end all of musicianship. Gtfo. I like some tool too but they're overrated AF
I feel like there was confusion between overrated versus overplayed. A lot of these bands are just overplayed.
And I would say that only SOME of their songs are overplayed. Smells like teen spirit or Highway to hell.
@@raistlin906 exactly. Especially in Texas.
@@TheAudraReins In Texas, in Spain and everywhere.
Absolutely. Is Nirvana overplayed? Hell yes. Are they overrated? Fuck no.
I think everyone but Deftones on this list are super overrated. Save for nirvana whos just a bit overrated. Acdc, imagine dragons are absolute garbage.
I feel like the "hidden meaning" crowd of Tool got a lot quieter since Maynard calling them insufferable retards became such a known thing, got 'em good.
Needless to say I'll never shut up about Tool because they're incredible musicians and artists to me.
Yeah I love them, but a lot of fans are over the top, and Maynard is kind of a giant douche.
Did he really say that that's hilarious, because the stuff that they think is hidden meanings is simple s*** that you can find in books
I mean, he isn't wrong about most tool fans.
Dunno if it's an urban legend, but I think they once said that they chose the band name so that their fans would walk around with a T-shirt reading "TOOL" in big letters.
Radiohead I would say, is NOT overrated. I thought they were an innovative indie band whom I greatly loved.
If you're a Nirvana fan, you know they could never be overrated!! Same goes with the Beatles!
Not a huge Beatles fan. I do know however that it is plain stupid to call them overrated. Nirvana too, although in this case I am also a huge fan. I don't know how he did it, but Kurt was able to communicate so much raw emotion through his performance. It fascinated me as a teenager and it still does 25 years later. Also he wrote so many good songs in such a short time, how could anyone not be at least intrigued if not flat out fascinated by him. He was our generations Jimi Hendrix, he came up, changed music forever, and then died shortly after to become a legend.
Beatles are overrated. Two of them had all the talent, Lennon and McCartney in that order.
@Rocanala so? Most bands have just 1 or two genius musicians. At least when it comes to songwriting.
This video should be called “bands Finn doesn’t like but are totally worth your time”
except imagine dragons, they are not worth anyones time at all, i will accept no arguments otherwise.
Nailed it
@@MysticPhonk-cp1rc Tell that to their 54+ million monthly Spotify listeners.
@@trevorrovert3103 bunch of normies on this planet lol
@@trevorrovert3103 Im sorry I can't hear you over the deafening sound of not giving a fuck.
It was strange that you evaluated Radiohead by one of their albums - they’ve evolved quite a lot imo and overall make great listenable complicated music. And I think this applies to Tool - if you leave all the cult nonsense aside they make great progressive metal (without copying anyone) that appeals to a wide audience which is rare for the genre
But, that's not what the video is about.
One overlooked aspect of Radiohead and Tool is that neither of them have any sex appeal. It sounds silly, but it's actually a pretty big deal that they've made it so far based solely on their music. I'm definitely a fan of both bands, and the best concert I ever attended was Radiohead at Madison Square Garden circa 2004. Amazing show!
Tool find a way to get worse with each album, while somehow also being more pretentious
I found the virgin
@@futilerecordings If you think there weren’t Thom Yorke fan girls in the 90’s/2000’s, you are sorely mistaken.
Imagine Dragons are more overplayed than over rated. I feel that’s why they get the hate they do. They release a song and it’s in every store and commercial and event promo.
I would also put RHCP and Pearl Jam as overplayed more than overrated too.
You’re right honestly. they’re not a bad band at all, pretty good honestly, but you just can’t go anywhere without hearing them and it gets old fast
No they just suck
@@MikeIzzle_ idk man, my biggest problem with their music is that even today I think they make a very 2012 sounding style of pop music, and to be honest that was a sound that had aged poorly even by 2015. I don't necessarily blame them for this as this was around the time they blew up and were (I would argue) at the peak of their relevance, but I feel like that means their huge songs back then were markers of the time, and most of what has come after that is stuck in the past trying to replicate what catapulted them to super star status. And that to me is what makes imagine dragons such a miserable listening experience. Even when it's a new song, it already sounds like the shit they play nonstop at Kohl's, Target, Chic Fil A, etc (and the insufferable Karen vibes those places usually have). A lot of groups and artists that blew up in that era also have the problem of still sounding like nothing has changed since the early 2010s, but none have gotten the prolonged and excessive plat imagine dragons gets. Sorry for going in I may be high rn
Yep. Clear Channel in the early 2010s would overplay the shit out of them on every "adult alternative" station to the point where you'd recognize the first 3 or 4 notes and immediately viscerally reach to change the station to WDVE, NPR, ESPN, WAMO or some other station... any other station. Same deal with Fall Out Boy's "My Songs Know What You Did in the Dark". Every Clear Channel station and NHL team overplayed the hell out of them to the point where it was a visceral negative reaction when you'd hear the first few notes start playing.
Normally, I love Finn's takes so much on most things. Mostly due to being able to see why people might like a certain thing, even though he himself might not, and denounce gatekeepers and elitism at every turn. With all that in mind, that AC/DC analysis was really the antithesis of this. He's human though so these things happen
funny how none of the bands he likes, of which plenty could be on here, werent featured, tastemaker...
There are times where Finn hits the mark and other times where his bias leaks through...which i can understand. There are some musicians that one not only cant connect with but also dislikes then trying to be objective about them is a process on its own. He doesnt strike me as a yes man or people pleaser so its probably a challenge to give every musician reverence from the same place
No one regards AC/DC as a great band. No one pretends they are musically proficient, have great technical proficiency, have a wide repertoire of musical styles, have meaningful, deep lyrics etc. They are a good, hard rocking band with every album following the same formula.
I like a stack of their songs. But they are not a great band in the technical, musical proficiency sense.
He turned me off some time ago when he called Folk Metal gimmick music + most stories about bands and music are from a pure US perspective.
@@tomy8339 and who said any band has to be?
In the US, I think AC/DC are rated exactly right.
They are thought of as a fun band, with a bunch of good songs that may sound the same, but are good for head-banging and learning the riffs on guitar. Nobody I’ve ever heard thinks they are a transcendent influence on music- just that they are a cool starter band for people getting into rock or cool for party music. 😎
funny how none of the bands he likes, of which plenty could be on here, werent featured, tastemaker...
They are Melbourne pub music. They’re a group of normal blokes who made fucking awesome music. I think it’s hard to grasp if you aren’t Australian what makes this group SO special.
The only people who overrate AC/DC are their fanbase who say they’re the best band ever in comment sections. Other than that what you said about them is the truth.
Astute observation. If you want to party with your mates, smoke in one hand and a pint in the other - ACDC is perfect for that.
Imagine a pop-punk fan saying that Radiohead and Tool are overrated LOL
I'm a pop punk fan and I would say that Tool are overrated! I'd go towards Between the Buried and Me and Gojira more! Both of them are way better than Tool and are the best prog bands of all time!
@@takodabostwick8507 Try asking either of those bands what they think of Tool. Hint: Mario Duplantier has a 10000 days shirt.
Nothing wrong with pop-punk
@@takodabostwick8507 No.
Rather be a pop punk fan than a tool
I like how you pointed out Kid A was when Radiohead stopped making guitar-driven music and then played the one song on the album that's the most straightforward rock song.
Lol thought the same thing!
Also Twist and Shout (cover song) as an example of The Beatles songcraft.
I like how a guy that listens to children’s music like mall punk calls Radiohead the Olive Garden of music.
Hahaha so true
It's the best song though. Objectively.
Saw tool live few months ago, they were fucking amazing. I'm not their biggest fan or whatever, but I cannot deny their technical prowess and songwriting capabilities. As well as awesome live shows.
funny how none of the bands he likes, of which plenty could be on here, werent featured, tastemaker...
@@stevennorris7181 good point
Radiohead is not overated just because you feel one of their records are. All of these bands that you reviewed have a quality about them. They are popular and still being listened to for a reason. Each of these bands with the exception of the 80s rock bands, are unique. They have a sound that is very distinct. I would say the bands that copied other bands style are overated.
How I felt about him saying it’s overrated. He didn’t mention the bands other albums at all, and just hated on kid a calling it Olive Garden music. Like alright, you didn’t like that album (understandably, it’s not a very accessible album), but what about literally all their other albums? Rare L for the punk rock mba.
Awee the 80s were to hard and fast for yuhh. Ahaha
@@taylorhaha69 what are you even talking about lol
Ugh, I like Radiohead a lot but they are overrated lol
radiohead is asss
I still listen to a lot of 80s metal and I still think it's great music that stands the test of time. That being said, I listen to a lot of new metal as well. My musical tastes cross a variety of genres and decades...from the 30s & 40s until today, from jazz and big band to metal, punk, industrial and electronic. Good music is good music no matter when it was made or who made it.
Facts
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80s metal still rule!
Damn we should go get a drink somewhere 👍🏻 and discuss music. 100% with you.
Now I would simply say one thing that makes a difference though. Music is music, but damn that 80's SOUND with all that reverb did not age well imo. YET it's ALSO a reason as to why I still listen to it from time to time and probably not a remaster of sorts if that went down the drain. We can all agree that sometimes we know something is not good, and yet we 💖 it.
And honnestly, that sound thing is valid for all era of music (and also applies as of today) but that's also part of what makes those days part of history. (caps used as emphasis)
@@haileene703 Every era of music has it's signature sound for sure. Production techniques and the tech of the time as well as general trends in style are all reflected in an era's music. I find that all have their charm and don't undercut the value of the music or it's listenability. I mean...some of the old mono jazz recordings sound pretty bad by today's standards but the music, the emotion, the talent...it comes shining through.
You took the words out of my mouth when it came to The Beatles. I don't care at all about them and am not personally fan but every time I've heard a song I've always been pleasantly surprised. Dudes were a power house of songwriting and innovation.
Yep, at the bare minimum they deserve respect in being innovators and how many future musicians they inspired.
Yea they're great and I respect it but I never listen to them by choice. If it comes on somewhere I never hate it, they have a few that I enjoy like Helter Skelter, Come Together, and Within You, Without You
You should try listening to more than the 2 songs you've listened to. They are the greatest band. By a million miles. End of story.
Beatles are phenomenal
@@thegoughandbordenfamily8234 if you're talking to me, I've heard plenty of their songs. She's Heavy is another good one. I think Yes made better music in the late 60's/early 70's
I would say Ok Computer is the album that changed Radioheads style of music and it’s an amazing album!
Probably my favorite album front to back ever
It's funny because Radiohead, TooL & Deftones are my 3 favourite bands.
And for good reason
That makes sense
I love ACDC, Yes they are very samey and simplistic but that's OK. I'm not saying I like all their stuff, but those first 4 albums are a seminal piece of Rock history, it's dirty, raw, and most importantly fun.
If Radiohead had only released Kid A I'd might understand someone calling them underrated, but a band who released the bends, ok computer, in rainbows and a moon shaped pool overrated? Definitely not.
*A Moon Shaped Pool
@@Jaceno lol yes
Pablo Honey is criminally underrated imho
In fact Hail to the Thief is kinda underrated too
@@alexmonro1711 Yeah Hail To the Thief is sorta a middle child. Kid A is brilliant(remember the context of when the album came out, and the state of rock). After Hail to the Thief, In Rainbows came out.
Man... With a band like Tool, it helps to recognize their strengths, and realize that THEY recognize their strengths and stay in their lane, so to speak. They're all about rhythm. I think Beato pointed this out for me, they're really pretty minimalistic when it comes to harmonic content, and that lets the rhythmic and percussive elements define their sound. It's like the notes are just there to embellish the rhythm. And who else hits the "psychedelic metal" nail on the head better than Tool does with this formula? Long-form, complex rhythmic masterpieces with what is essentially a glorified drone over it makes for some of the most hypnotic and surprisingly listenable metal music you'll ever find.
And if you're expecting them to be something else, then yeah, you're missing it. It's not right to say that something is overrated or otherwise not good just because it's not something else that you like. That's like saying, "potatoes are overrated because they don't taste like carrots. Everything is supposed to taste like carrots, dammit!" You can't really rate something without having a sufficient appreciation for what it is in the first place.
I really don't buy this because they never felt minimal or overly restrained in their heydey on albums like "Aenima" or "Undertow". They feel minimal and redundant now with stuff like "Fear Inoculum" because it's actually a tired rehash. So your mind has to do some gymnastics to find value in it.
@@MazaroAnonymous maybe yours does. That's probably anchor bias talking, you prefer the albums that introduced you to the band. I got into Tool with some of their later stuff, without knowing their older stuff. The first two albums were obnoxious, I thought. Maybe I'll think differently later. But I definitely never needed to do gymnastics to find value in FI. I think the sound is rich and the writing is really innovative. I could do without some of the digitized instrumental stuff, but I'll take the good with the bad. If I want perfect music I'll make it myself.
@@stevenking4617 ænima was my first and favourite album and I don’t find that it was obnoxious. I just thought that it was some super catchy rock music that still resonates with me. But to each their own, as you pointed out.
@@justingurley836 ha, if I spent more time with the older albums, I'm sure they would grow on me.
To me tool Is Maynard and Danny you don't have a band without them. Also I don't like tool because of how pretentious they come off. I like prog bands like Periphery because they have a sense of humor. Older prog bands like Rush had a sense of humor too. Tool is humorless and smug kKinda like Maynard's personality
Quite a few of these bands are self-absorbed but not over rated. Most of them are also very influential and maybe people don't like them but do listen to a band that was heavily influenced by them.
Being influential doesnt mean not overrated.
With 80's metal in general while some has definitely aged poorly, it did have the impact on inspiring Power Metal as a genre which is still going strong. I listen to a lot besides 80's inspired metal, but I love a ton of it. I definitely agree that people who will only listen to literal 80's metal are pretty ridiculous though.
Good point, also you could take all the praise and criticisms of 80s metal and apply them to Nirvana equally. both deserve credit but at the end of the day, your preference is all that stands
Plus all of these genres have the same pattern. Whether it's NWOBHM, American hardcore punk, thrash, grunge, etc., you start off with a fresh wave of innovators who create the sound, then you have the groups that follow in their wake, and then you have the bland wannabes that overwhelm the scene as it begins to die down. When people hate on one genre, they may not be aware of its earlier days. Early hair metal was certainly better than late 80's/early 90's hair metal.
The interesting thing about 80's metal is that it was the one time in history when metal conquered pop culture, and heavy metal could be described as bright, joyful, fun, sexy, and life-affirming. But after the Grundge wave knocked heavy metal off the main stage, it had a demoralizing effect on all music. Everything got darker, more neurotic. Rock music had to sound more bummed out. And after Cobain's suicide and Grunge trends fizzled out, lots of violent ghetto hip-hop filled the void. Metal fans in the 90's had to look to darker currents in the underground for inspiration: first Thrash - and then Death Metal, Black Metal, Doom Metal, etc. On the upside, we got some great extreme metal bands out of the darkening of the 90's. Lots of great death metal and black metal (and metalcore by extension). But hasn't it almost been played out? Why does metal have to keep sinking DOWN? These days, I'm too jaded to be impressed by most rock/metal bands still milking themes of "darkness." I grew up immersed in the post-grunge malaise, escaping into all the death metal, black metal, doom metal, metalcore, deathcore, and whatever I could find. But I wonder if it's grown stale for our generation. We've already heard darkness, depression, and anger done well enough through countless death and black metal acts. New albums trying too hard to sound evil or depressing just make me bored, and most of them are derivative. Lately, I've found it refreshing to look back on Glam Metal (the best of it, at least) as just another genre of extreme metal, misunderstood and unfairly dismissed. It's extreme in its unapologetic pride, confidence, glamor, audacity, and carefree, maximally euphoric 80's cool vibes approach. And it's amazingly subversive when compared to the monotonously dark, neurotic, depressing, and politically correct themes which have dominated modern rock/metal scenes ever since Cobain's self-loathing Grunge attitude influenced the entire music industry and set the tone of the future. The difference is...modern rap music may be volatile, but it doesn't doesn't often encourage weird levels of neuroticism or self-deprecation like in much depressive metal and alt-rock, so it's no surprise that prideful rap artists have become more attractive to newer generations who don't want to be bummed out all the time. Rock/metal has become the genre associated with downers, burnouts, stoners, djenty guitar nerds, and anti-social/self-hating whiny white dudes. After 30 years of this, is it possible to bring rock and metal out of the dark and add a bit of vibrancy and vitality to keep it alive? Metal shows in the 80's were bright, colorful events, packed full of fun-loving guys and beautiful women who danced and sang along to catchy anthems, excited by charasmatic lead singers and shredding guitarists. I did not see anything nearly as interesting at the last progressive deathcore show I attended. I'm not saying we should go back to Glam Metal or imitate it directly in any way, but it's very interesting to reconsider as an anidote to the current era's malaise. Maybe it could serve as some sort of inspiration to resist the trend of demoralization that began in the 90's mainstream?
@@lifelearner3067 grunge killed rock
Iron Maiden always deserves mention with regard to 80s rock, regardless of claims of sell-out. I do not think they ever did sell-out, but they became popular because their musical arrangements were exceptional skill-wise. Some might consider them too artsy as well lol... take "run to the hills"! It is like they give history lessons as well.
ACDC got me into rock music. It's also the heaviest music most people will listen to
Hells bells is a fucking nuclear explosion of a track
funny how none of the bands he likes, of which plenty could be on here, werent featured, tastemaker...
My grandpa is 82 and he is always walking around and randomly saying “Dirty deeds…..done dirt cheap!”
Funny thing about Tool is that they, themselves, really don't seem to care about any of the stuff that their fans so rabidly fan over. I love the band for that reason among many. They just act like their entire discography is one giant shitpost, despite them knowing full well the love and care they put into their stuff. Love them or hate them, it's hard to ignore that they see the ridiculousness in it all, and they really only care about the music
Red Hot Chili Peppers are one of the least underrated bands of all time. To call californication by the way stadium arcadium ext. awful is outlandish
Mother’s Milk, and Uplift Party Plan are incredible albums
Agreed. Blood sex sugar magic was their high watermark. With a few exceptions it's been downhill since then.
@@dillon4060 stadium Arcadiam is there best work in my opinion! It has wide variety of sounds and great song writing!
Love blood sugar sex magic, californiacation, by the way, one hot minute, and even some of there newer stuff!
It's just the hipster opinion to say only up to BSSM was good and everything after sucked. Oddly enough, it's that contrarian situation he talked about earlier in the video. People just hate on the later stuff because it got popular and sounded different from the first few albums as though all bands don't change over time (especially over ~40 years) and that getting the same 2 or 3 albums released over and over for half a decade would be something anybody wants 🤣🤣
This video is outlandish... I feel he has a problem with the fans
I’m a huge Tool fan, and I know there are people who think Tool is overrated, but guess what? That’s okay. It is well known that Maynard and the guys want fans to interpret music how they see fit. Take the grunge bands for example. Of the “big 4,” Nirvana. AIC, Pearl Jam, and Soundgarden, Nirvana was the most recognizable. But for me, I liked them the least of the 4. Don’t get me wrong, I like Nirvana, but for me, Soundgarden was my favorite from that era, mainly because of Chris Cornell’s incredible voice.
Same soundgarden we’re my favorite, Pearl Jam we’re too good for what they were trying to be.
Alice In Chains was my favorite man mostly because of laynes awesome voice and Jerry cantrells heavy riffs
I think you meant to say "I'm a huge Tool."
@@BroDude0 word….
I would love to hear Ultramega OK remastered. Because the production on that album is shit. Great album great songs terrible production!
I love The Beatles, they were the stepping stone into the wonderful world of music and all it's types. Dad is a huge fan, particularly of Lennon, and as a child I heard a lot of their stuff... From the 70s when I was born
I go to the third biggest high school in California in terms of students and AC DC are still super popular
hells bells will continue to ring 🛎⚡️
And as that 55 year old that that Finn thinks no one should hang out with (😕) I can comfortably say that AC/DC kind of sucked back in 1980 and they still suck now. Did I listen to them in the sixth grade? Of course, everybody did. But by 1985 I, and most of the world, we're done with them and moved on to other stuff.
yet they still thinking AC DC was a brand🤣
Only hs kids like em when they get older they will realize the suck Just like every hs generation before then.
My 16 yr. old niece who lives in Singapore is stoked on AC/DC and taught herself the drum parts to Touch too Much. I dunno about this one, Finn.
A fun game to play: Middle School poetry or imagine dragons lyrics. Impossible to tell the difference.
wow, as a high school teachers, i can vouch. The lyrics to "thunder" are so shallow and vein
Highly *underrated* comment right here. Love this 😂
Without the 80's metal, you wouldn't have any of the extreme sub-genres that came after, man, imagine to listen Reign in Blood when it came out, that would've been some experience...
I'm not a big Slayer fan but you can't deny their influence. It is crazy that Reign in Blood came out in 86. That must of blew some minds.
@@pauliewalnuts829 Between Reign in Blood, Master of Puppets, and Peace Sells....But Who's Buying?, '86 was an incredible year for metal.
No one is denying their influence, their sound just doesn’t hold up
@@shinescythe That applies to the glam scene but 80's thrash is ageless..
I’ve seen tool live twice and it was insanely tight. I’m not really a huge fan, but to call them mid while also calling them “phenomenal musicians” is pretty stupid. Their extremely spiritual fan base is what inclines people to say they’re overrated. I totally understand that because it turned me away from them as well. But I know/know of far too many musicians who aspire to be as good as them to say they’re mid. What those dudes are able to pull off live every show is no joke.
Finn: Tool and Ac/DC have been releasing the same record for decades and their drones just eat it up.
Also Finn: I love Slayer.
Three overrated bands. Even if I do like them, they're grotesquely overrated
@@aegisreflector1239 everything is overrated. Your favorite band sucks.
@@aegisreflector1239 I think Finn is the most overrated thing in this conversation. I mean, the guy has more followers than just his wife and mom. How did he break that glass ceiling???
U2 and coldplay.
They're basically just bunch of reverb and delay sound mashed up together.
I've been calling a lot of pop/rock stuff "reverbcore" lately and Coldplay is certainly a reverbcore band
@@kanjosidr Oh yeah coldplay is more annoying.
Chris martin's mumbling singing is just meh.
Agree on Coldplay, but U2's 90s output was top-notch, just watch their Live in Sydney 1993. It's since the early 2000s that they started to go bland and flavorless
@@Georgeirfx indeed.
I do like some of their early stuffs.
Rock music is the only genre where we bitch "they've made the same album for decades." Then some turn around and still say "the sold out, they changed." 🤦
Not true. Rap fans do that shit all the time I know because I am one.
Tool is one of the greatest bands of all time. No one sounds like them still.
There's no one that sounds like them for a reason and I'm not sure you're willing to accept that reason lol
@@bucketsaremyfriend there are plenty of knock off's that have tried but don't sound very good. Earshot being one of them. It's easy to tell they influenced a lot of bands that came after them.
Far from it.
@@bucketsaremyfriend most metal is unlistenable. TOOL makes sing songs with heavy riffs while talking about sexual abuse. in ease of access alone they're superior, objectively
@@bayerhead try Soen, they're pretty damn good!
Finn: I Can’t Stand Shoegaze
Bruh, when you made your “worst genres video” you literally only played MBV and Turnover. One of which is basically the number one gateway into the genre, the other one isn’t even 100% Shoegaze, more alternative rock. 🗿
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Its weird, but I respect AC/DC and The Beatles for doing the opposite thing. The Beatles rapidly evolved their sound within a decade, whereas AC/DC found a sound they liked, found an audience for it, and stuck to it for many decades.
Also credit to Angus Young to have the same energy at his current age as he did 50-ish years ago lol
I don’t like weed, very little nu metal or shoe gaze and I love Deftones lol
Sometimes I think the Beatles are overrated until I actually listen to them again.
Especially the deep cuts.
Objectively they can be overrated in the literal sense of the word but it is not undeserved. Classics like "Strawberry Fields" and "Penny Lane" aside, all their other stuff is just wow. They did in 8 years what most people cant do in lifelong careers.
Rango can't drum and Paul can't sing, not a fan lol
It's just amazing how many Beatles songs are deeply ingrained in Western pop culture. I never sat down to listen to a Beatles album, hell, I never even actively chose to listen to a Beatles song (with one exception one time I randomly played "Strawberry Fields" on YT), and yet, when Kye Smith did his 5-minute Beatles drum chronology I still recognized most of the songs
Theyre trash dude.
To me, good music is timeless. A well-written/well performed song/album is always gonna still be good to the ears.
If I, a 25 year old gen z’er can listen to and love and be passionate about music like Dion and the belmonts from the 50s, to Thin Lizzy, Motörhead, Slayer, and other newer bands and genres, then so can others. I feel like the thought process of “old music is bad” is just so limiting when there’s enough good music to last a person hundreds of lifetimes over. All it takes is an open mind/ear.
Even if the production isn’t that great, good songs will still shine through as being good songs.
Same age here and I agree 100%. I like old music, I mean I listen to classical stuff, and that's centuries old. 80's music ain't a problem for me. I like new stuff too.
Good post. I've watched about 10 of this guys videos over the last year or so, but don't subscribe because he so clearly has a bias towards a very narrow range of musical taste and I don't perceive any form of personal music talent or theory behind what he's into other than vibes from when he was at an impressionable age.
As a 22yo gen z, I can't even stand modern hard rock and metal. The only newer rock I listen to are hipster bands like The Arcric Monkeys, The Neighbourhood, The Pretty Reckless and Maneskin (they're not hipster but okay). Modern hard rock and metal It's so overproduced, dark and hypermasculine. They take themsevles too seriously and do nothing to seem interesting. IMO hating old music is as close minded like hating fashion or designs just because it's 'outdated'. It's the reversed 'born in the wrong generation'.
In all honesty, not liking something simply because it's old comes across as a fashion victim mentality. I never quite understood people that feel the need to constantly update their musical tastes, while dismissing all the stuff that they supposedly loved for no other reason than it's over a decade old, or somehow the bands' image is now seen as dreadfully uncool. I mean, I can put on an old Doo-Wop, Garage Rock or 80s Metal compilation and just appreciate it for what it is, catchy melodies or fun songwriting. If you're into music you'll always be on the lookout for new exciting music and all that, but some of the music might be stuff that was made before you were born, I don't see how that's a bad thing?
Timeless sure… until it’s overdone, maybe. I can think of so many great, classic songs that have been played into the ground. When you grow up around music from decades prior and then it’s like one day you wake up to realize, “wait, I’m 30 years old and they’re STILL playing these songs??” It becomes a bit much…
It’s like the people at the radio stations decided that culture peaked 40+ years ago when they were young and there’s no getting better, so let’s just play all the favorites from back in the heyday. It’s kinda lame tbh… I love a timeless tune, but when you’ve heard them thousands of times it’s like “alright…”
At what point do people move on? Explore the now? I don’t blame people for not liking pop radio, not one bit… but to say “all music nowadays sucks?” They aren’t even looking or giving anything in the wider world of modern music a fair shake… what makes them think they can even have an opinion? It’s a blanket statement made on an extremely small sample size. There’s lots of great music today that will stand up to time too, and it isn’t given the same platform to shine on. It’s a shame.
Respect to AC/DC for playing the same chunky guitar riffs and anthem lyrics for 40 years that’s why even their new albums always sell great and land at #1 on the billboard sales chart which is really rare for an older legacy Rock band. ✊🏻
They've always just been themselves. Through six different decades of changing technology, fashion, popular trends, etc. They just continue to ignore everyone else and stick to their guns. Mad respect to them.
They have lived more than any of us ever will, incredible band, legacy and music
Thoroughly unpretentious Rock to get plastered to, who does it better?? ⚡
@@lordtrigon1733 that sounds like a good solo night in
@@lordtrigon1733 no one boss
Nirvana Unplugged was damn masterpiece! Don’t care what anyone says. Can listen to the entire album today and not skip a song. No way they’re overrated!
Great video btw! Keep it up
they're supremely overrated. once i got older than kurt, it just sounds like the nonsensical whining of a homeless junkie in seattle.
bleh.
nirvana sucks the vocals are god awful mediocre guitar playing and the lyrical composition 💀
I think Nirvana unplugged is one of those rare cases like The Godfather where is praised and also properly rated.
@@prilljazzatlanta5070 100% agree. I like Nirvana’s other albums but that Unplugged is just unreal how good it is.
@@ChristopherStandardTime Even the “Unplugged” album? I can see why people don’t like they’re studio albums but that one was just amazing I thought. Give it another listen and report back.
The AC/DC phase if you were born after their relevancy.
Kid will love AC/DC
Teen will like AC/DC but only the bon Scott stuff
Adult: why listen to AC/DC when I could to listen to 200 other artists that do diff things… okay I’ll put on ‘let there be rock’ one more time , again.
veeeeery true
How is this so accurate? 😅😂 AC/DC has plenty of bangers tho. Highway to Hell is one of the best rock n roll albums ever
@@atomicpunk2360 bon Scott stuff still holds up, Brian Johnston era got boring fast. Who made who was their last interesting song.
@@xshadowscreamx true. After For Those About to Rock, I’d only pick a few songs here and there to listen to.
Whole Lotta Rosie is still in my regular rotation
The Beatles didn’t write “Twist And Shout.”
The Top Notes did.
True but John losing his voice while giving it everything he had to get done with the album makes it the best version.
Tool: *has 13 year gap in between albums*
Finn: They’ve been making the same album over and over again for decades!!!!!!
Isn't that worse? They spend 13 years making an album and it sounds just like the last one.
@@cope847 doesn’t matter if you think it’s worse, the point is what he said is just actually false
literally lmao
key word: decades
@@mhead4376 they could take over a decade between albums and still been making same sounding stuff for multiple decades
Man, you really make me remember how great that song from Radiohead is. Now i'm going to work listening OPTIMISTIC the whole way
I'm still not sure why Finn believes that the embarassingly over-enthusiastic nerds that can be found at the core of every fandom only delegitimizes certain bands he's fond of tearing down... or damning with faint praise. He loves tossing out the 'Olive Garden' metaphor for music that uber-fans consider brilliant, but always fails to make the criticism stick by refusing to put his own tastes on the line. In this case, he neglects to provide us with his idea of the Michelin Guide 3-starred cuisine that makes Radiohead seem like Olive Garden. I'm interested in hearing who he has in mind, or if there's anyone at all.
this comment is kinda snarky, but it's a good point that i would like to know which bands are the legit ones, so i can go listen to em cuz i always love some Finn-curated recommendations. He's how i got into slam, i'm a big Devourment fan now lol
classical music
Gatekeeper! You're like the gatekeeper who does the thing and wears the this and does the that in the high school cafeteria back in the day....
@@awarewolves1712 YES. But also: NO. And just a dash of: MAYBE. Be careful, tho... viciously racist compliments of that sort could get you Anulled.
Husker Du prolly IDK
Finn showed more respect to Imagine Dragons than Tool...I think he might be high, or not high enough, not sure which.
@Roberto Vidal Garcia so just to be clear, you're saying that you're a fan of Imagine Dragons???
@Roberto Vidal Garcia oh, so edgy. Rolling Stone will be calling for your opinions any day now.
@Roberto Vidal Garcia once again, just to be clear, the side you're arguing is that Imagine Dragons is a more creative band than Tool, I think that speaks for itself, no more arguing required.
@Roberto Vidal Garcia and you're the one calling me aggressive?? Did you lose a girlfriend to a Tool fan?
@Roberto Vidal Garcia Let's sum up this conversation, everything I've said so far has been an obvoius joke including my first comment, these have all gone COMPLETELY over your head while simultaneously working you into a fit of rage all while you project all of your elitist music opinions onto a random dude on the internet, but yeah, it's the Tool fans that are out of control.... LOL.
I love Tools lyrics, some deep shit. The first time I listened to Radioheads song Street Spirit I was blown away by his voice omg.
"AC/DC writes the same album over & over and that's bad"
Later: "I love Slayer"
I'm not hating on you. But, c'mon. Slayer does the same thing every album as well.
FYI Back in Black was one of the highest sold albums of all time. They also came out with an album in 2020 that reached number one in 21 countries. It sold 1.4 million copies worldwide. Red Hot Chili Peppers just released an album debuting at number-one in 16 different countries and are about to begin a world stadium tour.
yeah this guys normally pretty spot on but calling one of the last great rock bands irrelevant was pretty stupid. Watch out or get THUNDERSTRUCK hahaha
They're one of the biggest name brand rock bands. Sonically, their music was always sound, never what I'd call low quality. Sure they wrote the samey kind of albums over and over. But some people also can't stand when bands evolve or change.
You can call them a great band without believing they're the best of all time. That's where I stand on them. I have a couple of merch items of theirs because I respect their love for rock as a genre and understand their influence on people.
I saw them live and even with Axle Rose they still put on a fantastic show. They're great but there are artists I enjoy more than them.
@@seantomlinson2505 😴
Lol brand rock
Both bands have stood the test of time. Finn is being an edgelord and letting his personal opinion color the analysis.
Dude Finn is on point with a lot of things but every once in a while he says something so out of touch and dumb I can’t believe he’s serious. “Who’s saying AC/DC is a great band?” EVERYONE dude. And they just had a huge hit in 2021 so.. 🤷🏻♂️
In Australia they are ridiculously overrated
Yees! They literally sold out in Europe around 2009 and I guarantee they would sell out again in next couple of years. People love them and them not taking themsevles seriously is not necessary bad.
@@limpbrisket6851 I think Angus Young is overrated but you can’t say the band is overrated they have absolutely earned their status as one of the greatest bands of all time..
Kid a was the first thing I ever heard by radiohead and I fell in love with it. I never knew anything about the band or their fans. The song treefingers is so great to me
I'm confused, why when talking about Radiohead, only Kid A is taken in to consideration? They have 8 other albums. This is supposed to be a video about overated bands (which I'd say Radiohead aren't), not overated albums.
Boomers in New Jersey still talk about Bruce Springstien like he’s the greatest musician ever.
tHe BoSs!!!1
Yea, Springstein is the most overrated performer (I wouldn’t call him an artist) of the 80’s . Gawd he sucks!
I agree that a lot of 80's metal hasn't aged well, but man I still absolutely adore King Diamond and Mercyful Fate.
The only good Metallica is 80s Metallica. Slayer, Anthrax, Suicidal Tendencies.. Plenty 80s I still jam to. Pantera.
@@thatguytravis3933 Totally. 80s still got the best metal and punk bands.
King Diamond, Possessed, The first two Nuclear Assault records, still listening to those...
Most of the 80s metal that wasn’t glam or, over the top cheesy has aged pretty well I think. Love me some merciful fate, Slayer, a lot of those classic speed/heavy/Thrash/Death metal bands still sound good.
@@thatguytravis3933 Suicidal Tendencies is underrated af
Holy shit that Radiohead take is radioactive (teehee). You can tell his Radiohead take is mid because he only talks about Kid A and not the 5 albums afterwards. Like, you can't in one breath say that The Beatles weren't overrated as a result of their auditory experimentation but then say that Radiohead's auditory experimentation isn't that experimental. And to not even mention that In Rainbows was one of the first records to be a "pay what you want" release seems to be almost purposeful. I vividly remember when In Rainbows came out and it was a groundbreaking record. He can say the music isn't that great but if you look at the critical reception and the commercial performance, it's pretty clear that Finn either didn't bother doing the research or is refusing to give credit where credit is due to generate discussion. Either way, the lack of research is pretty clear here to me.
yeah... seemed like his friend annoyed him about kid a enough that he wanted revenge lol. I've listened to a lot of out-there stuff in music, and kid a is still great. calling it background music is not something i can understand
What?! I just saw RHCP live and they absolutely destroyed the stage. Finn has praised Blink 182 and Good Charlotte but he thinks RHCP is outdated and irrelevant…fude, I enjoy your vids but you need to accept the fact you love poppy boy bands
Is RHCP not a poppy boy band?
@@willamschultz2169 Nah I wouldn't say so. RHCP lacks this "music and lyrics for teenagers" vibe. And while they play rather soft for a rock band they are more on the funk side than pop.
I love blink and RHCP so now what ?
I respect the Beatles but I do not like them.
The Beatles, Radiohead, Deftones, and Nirvana are my favorite bands
Finn: I think I'll do a video to prove that I'm an elitist and alienate a majority of my followers.
isn't he always complaining about elitist and gatekeepers
@@retronerds6884 that is absolutely right
Number one for me will ALWAYS be Foo Fighters. They are the most watered down, mom and dad friendly, radio safe rock music out there. When I say watered down I literally mean their riffs sound purposefully watered down to not upset the moms when it gets played at the pee wee football halftime break right after the censored version of “lose yourself” by Eminem gets played for the 10000000th time at a youth sport game
Like, someone sprays the guitar with a water hose as they play??? I never knew that!! (just having fun)
give me another song with the aesthetic of everlong, if you cannot, then they are fine with me.
@@username4441 the first two albums + their metal album that came out this year are good other than that they arent good
I agree 100%. I've used your exact words when describing why I hate Foo Fighters to friends and people lose their minds!
Totally agree 👍
The nirvana griping comes from the nerds wearing dream theater t shirts….Kurt can’t play man!…doesn’t matter. He could write and he had soul.
Dude, South of Heaven stills kicks ass to this day, and as far as Deftones..
Deftones are the only band that managed to grow up with me. The whole band is fire and I don’t understand any hate these guys get.
Agreed 💯❤️
Yeah not to mention he praises bands who pull like 80% of their sound from deftones. Those guys invented a whole sound that paved a way for a huge sonic segment of modern day heavy music.
I'm a HUGE Deftones fan, don't like any of those 3 things he listed "all" Deftones fans like. He's just trying to be edgy and try to stand out. There's a reason I unsubbed from the channel a LONG time ago.
The deftones are still a very good band.
@@atrainbrady3208 They're called Deftones. There is no "The" in their name.
"Who is out here praising the red hot chili peppers nowadays?" Every.radio.station.today.
This. I get so tired of Chili Peppers appearing on every radio station. I often find them on several stations at the same time. While they have some good songs, I'm tired of hearing them. Same goes with Aerosmith. Radio stations won't stop playing them.
@@jimmym3352 Yeah and I do really dig a couple Aerosmith songs but they're also not that great. Good. Not great.
@@jimmym3352 that's because they have a few songs that are overplayed, but it's definitely like 4-5 songs, i wouldn't jusge them based on that, before i got into them i knew just the hits, but honestly the album "blood sugar sex magik" is incredible, funky hard rock, and aside from "under the bridge" you wouldn't hear it in the radio
At least Half my high school my freshman year 2006-2007. Stadium Arcadium dropped and that album was everywhere. Hands down the most popular rock band at my school. I just thought they were really meh and got so sick of Dani California and that Hey Oh song.
@@shomershabbos6291 Agreed, there’s some really cool songs on that album. Newer stuff(meaning the last 20 years) is just kinda boring soft rock imo.
I think Radiohead and Tool *should* belong in the same boat as Green Day and Nirvana as bands that combine edgy underground influences with genuinely great pop-friendly songwriting, and absolutely deserve praise because of that. The only issue is that their aesthetics come across as more highbrow and intellectual, which makes their fans a billion times more pretentious.
there is no chance you just said tool is “pop-friendly” songwriting
Ya I could see radio friendly.....almost. back in the day at least. Not the writing tho. I think a lot of people more so liked the sound and didn't take the time to actually listen to the lyrics.
@@jasonking971 i do agree they have plenty of radio friendly songs, but that’s often bc the average person has no idea what the hell they’re saying
@@harrisonwilroy2480 OK maybe not pop-friendly, but a lot of their stuff is at least mainstream-rock-friendly, which is sort of pop-friendly by extension. And both Radiohead and Tool have songs that are genuinely really out there, but in my humble opinion their more accessible songs tend to be better. Accessibility is a strength, not a weakness.
That doesn't describe Radiohead beyond maybe their third album
I think RHCP probably has the most clout out of all these bands by far besides the Beatles
Imagine Dragons is what Kurt feared the world would do to Nirvana.
The constant playing of his music everywhere, as soon as a song drops it’s instantly looped and played out within 3 days. Makes you hate hearing yourself…then in turn people hate him too so it’s a lot of stress to handle being hated for trying to make great music when the media are the ones causing you to get hated.
I’ve actually heard people say that exact thing about songs like Smells Like Teen Spirit. It really sucks how a band can get a bad rep because radio stations suck.
I really wouldn't call Deftones overrated. If anything they're probably neither over nor underrated. Kinda just right. I was at a System of a Down show with Deftones opening and only I and a few other people were going crazy for their music, everyone else was just waiting for System. 3rd time I had seen Deftones too and the only time I had ever seen them play in front of an entire stadium because System could fill a stadium and Deftones couldn't. But System comes out and the whole place goes nuts. So I'd probably put System in place of Deftones in this vid if I were you, System is hugely overrated, they were crazy popular and when they got back together people, including myself, were so stoked to go see them. I feel like people think Deftones are overrated because they were able to step out of the nu-metal scene and grow much more melodically and add shoegazey and trancey things, very dissonant, and it worked out fantastically for them while other nu-metal bands decayed into nothingness and/or cringe factories. So you gotta praise them for changing their sound and actually getting better and growing their fanbase actually which is a rare thing when a band changes their sound.
Love the fact that you pointed out Anthony's lack of talent, Frusciante in the other hand is one of my absolute guitar heroes.
RHCP would be much higher on my list if they had a different singer. All the rest of the guys are monster players.
@@charliet.sanford2495 I disagree. Anthony may not be the best singer but I couldn't imagine the band without him. His writing and vocal style just works too well with the rest of the band in my opinion.
@@ButterclawEnthusiast I don’t dislike his writing or studio singing. I think it works great with the rest of the band in the studio. But there’s so much footage of him being terrible live. And I get that bands have off nights. But I’ve seen them live twice and it was terrible. Also seen a ton of live performances online where he’s just not good. More bad than good. Makes me wonder how much magic fairy dust they put on his vocal tracks in the studio.
@@charliet.sanford2495 that's odd. I watched some RHCP concert recordings and I thought he sounded pretty decent live
Watch/Listen to Live At Slane Castle … best ever
Okay Tool is selling out Right now everywhere they go at sixty years old. They don't have an LP right now, or any songs on the radio. Yes steal they SAIL out everywhere they go, they Headlined one of the 2 biggest rock festivals last year and co headlind the other.
And you must not forget. They are the last band in rock and roll to be number one on the planet when they knock the tailor swift off. Period so I just don't know how that is overrated. Maybe a lot of people don't like it. But finally us tool obsessed. Fans have the right to stand up and say this is our Fan Card and it counts dammit.
I love Tool's and the Deftones' discography, like they're in the top ~50 hours of music I played last month in terms of what I consider the best individual songs listened to over the span of those songs (tidal gives me a list of my top 25 artists streamed each month along with how many times I've streamed each of their songs and approx. 50 hours were spent listening in may to those top 25), but they're definitely not the best music ever that some of their superfans make them out to be - I went to see Tool for their Fear Inoculum tour and they were fantastic (and they played a couple older songs, too), but, again, not the mind-altering hype they're made out to be.
That being said I think calling something overrated because there's a cult following that sets an entirely unrealistic (and obviously unrealistic) and impossible bar for their musical ability is a bit pedantic in the use of the word. If we're going by "is their music as good as their fans say it is" then you can't openly dismiss criticism of Nirvana because of their influence.. which Tool had just as much of at the exact same time period as Nirvana in the Prog. Metal/Rock scene, which I'm assuming you aren't aware of or haven't noticed because you probably just aren't into Progressive Rock/Metal (which is fine, I don't think anyone should expect someone talking about their views on music to know everything about everything they're talking about, especially in something that is as culturally obscure as progressive music); just kind of a double standard in your line of thinking. If we're going by your definition I agree that Tool is overrated, and in the same vein I also think that Nirvana is overrated.
Personally if a band's music isn't as good as what they're socially believed to be (Queen, Nirvana, Metallica, Tool) regardless of their influence I would still consider them overrated - not in a negative way but in a "they don't live up to the hype" sort of way. Nirvana influenced people because they were different, not because they were the best at the time, even at their own genre (because that is wholly subjective). I'd group Nirvana and Tool together there, along with Metallica, Queen, Slayer, etc. They're all good bands that played good or even great/fantastic music but they're not anywhere near as perfect as their fans make them out to be.
“The Deftones” - 🤦🏽♂️
@@kaydgaming you are more than free to dislike a band someone else likes.
These bands have more than a cult following, they are famous millionaire internationally famous bands. I liked them too when I was 15 but they're grotesquely overrated AF
@@aegisreflector1239 I meant that the people who had the "these are the best bands ever" mentality were a cult following, not that their fans (the people who just enjoy their music) are a cult following.
AC/DC are huuuuuge in Australia. National treasures. Hailed as one of the greatest bands of all time. It's considered un-Australian to not love them. Never seen the appeal myself, personally. But I'm a Brit, so I can somewhat get away with it.
Give me INXS any day
Big Deftones fan myself since WP came out, till this day. But just look for a random Deftones videoclip on youtube and check the comments. It’s kinda cringy to be honest.
Ken oath Carys, national treasure!
As an Australian this is true and I love them
Phil& the boys F*ck'n rock! Bon was a real rock-'n'-roll front man
You can argue any band with a vocal fandom can be argued as over rated, as it's usually the fans who ruin it for the rest of us.
I've always felt Nirvana was overrated but I had a lot of friends in high school that loved them. Not sure if they're overrated or I just got sick of hearing them/about them. (I am in no way saying they're bad)
One word?! Passenger!! Tool and Deftones deserve way more attention than they already get. As an older dude, Deftones early mix of screaming and metal, in the 90s, was a huuuuuuge gateway band for me. Opened my mind up, to A ton of different new bands for me! A lot of people my age still refer to the screaming as cookie monster shit
Deftones are so good. I really wish they got more attention
Bro trust I like those bands. But they don't deserve anything else lol. These 90s bands are millionaires and famous world wide.
I agree 100%
Man. Stadium Arcadium is an amazing album. Its easy to hate on Kiedis but Flea and Frusciante are 2 of the greatest guitarists of our time. RHCP is not overrated. Terrible take.
Nirvana just has a special sound to me and it's interesting to think about Kurt's lyrics cause alot of it's poetic. Just wish I could of saw them live.
Saw them twice first time in 91 which was amazing second time in 93 which was not so good
The Japanese female band Brats sounds a bit like Nirvana, but combined with J-pop. Maybe you could like them.
could *have seen
@ghost mall agreed.
Your point about the lyrics stood out to me, because I think their poetic lyrics are one of their most special qualities
Overrated: Rolling Stones
Underrated: The Kinks
IDK why the Stones get mentioned and venerated in the same breathe as The Beatles, while The Kinks were putting out more rockier and subversive hits in the same time frame.
Kiedis might not be a great singer, but he is definitely a charasmatic entertainer which is also something a band needs.
I find him to be boring. He reeks of being a poser. His lyrics are often atrocious,
I agree I truly feel he has the personality that comes naturally
I literally live off of a diet of nu metal, weed and shoe gaze so you could say I like the deft-ones
A band that is very highly rated but justly so is Pink Floyd. Their experimental stuff is really great, but everything they've done has been great.
I think most of the pseudo elitists bands are overrated like you said : Radiohead, Tool and others. They're good but it's not the ultimate music experience.
I just don't get the Deftones hype though, it's alright but nothing special imo.
But I would say Metallica is UNDERrated. It's hugely successful of course, but many people today spit on it like it's not that good and only a few songs are good, that Kirk Hamett and Lars Ulrich are bad and therefore it can't be good, etc. Metallica is extraordinary and hugely influencial, the lyrics are very interesting, and although after the black album I'm not a fan, their first 10 years were insanely good.
Huge Deftones fan here. Weird to hear them as overrated. I used to get so much shit from my friends in high school who just didn’t get it. Almost got in a fight with one kid in school because he kept talking shit and taking things too far. Dude was a shameless Linkin Park fanboy haha.
@Roberto Vidal Garcia idk. I grew up in small town where kids were either into country or “bro metal” or punk bands. I think Chino has repetitive themes with his lyrics and probably could have gained more fans if he had been more willing to go heavier. But overall I think Deftones are a great band whose music has held up much better than most bands over the years.
Tool's first 4 albums are all really good but they're kind of just going through the motions at this point. And I say this a huge fan of them: their fans are insufferable.
Even Maynard thinks their insufferable :p
With the Beatles and Nirvana i think its hard to separate the music from the total impact the band had. Like both of those bands came out and torched what had been popular. So that view gets kind of lost in everything. Then you’re trying to explain why the Beatles are so amazing and someone is hearing ‘she loves you yeah yeah yeah’ 45 times in one song.
Kind of the same with Nirvana and their nonsensical sounding lyrics at first glance.
Overall id say most of my overrated band viewpoints are based on their fans not shutting up. Ever.
Very well said, fully agree
I totally agree it's a hole fans. I get the impact those bands had though. In terms of cultural impact, there's a strong argument to be made that both of those bands are underrated. Personally I find Nirvana boring and The Beatles obnoxious but, squares gonna square.
@Roberto Vidal Garcia yeah I don't take away anything from them I tried to convey that if you think either is underrated I'm not going to think less of you. I don't however need to be convinced to agree with anyone that's the a hole fan half of it, everyone on the planet has heard them if ain't a fan by now and I'm getting older someone telling me how great they are is just being needlessly annoying. It's part of how being punk coming up made me nicer, I know I'm not convincing anyone to love The Lawrence Arms or Smoke or Fire as much as I do so it's easier not to be pushy about my interests in general.
@Roberto Vidal Garcia for clarification I wasn't calling you an a hole fan. We're just two strangers talking music.
How can you say Radiohead is overrated solely for you not liking Kid A? What about all the other albums?
people say that a lot of these bands are overrated just because they had an album that broke through and sold millions of copies. like people saying nirvana is overrated? that is so stupid. they basically started a new genre of music and buried hair metal for good. they deserve all the credit they get. nevermind was one of the best albums ever made. every song on there was good
As an ordinary music fan I never cared about The Beatles. That totally changed when I started to learn my first instrument.