The Lost Boy | Full Episode
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- More than three decades after 6-year-old Etan Patz went missing, police found a surprising suspect. "48 Hours" correspondent Richard Schlesinger goes inside the investigation. Is the haunting case finally over? Watch more full episodes of "48 Hours" on Pluto TV.
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I am here....❤
My money is on Ramos. He literally dated a woman who knew the family and had access to the child. Most kids are taken by someone who knows them.
I agree, plus how they know he didn't harm the boy before..
exactly!!! i could never get past the fact of how his had NO MOTIVE WHATSOEVER he had NO OTHER criminal history yet Ramos DEF HAD SERIOUS MOTIVE!!!!
And how could a box containing a body get from the alley to a garbage truck without someone looking??
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That 6 hours without video or audio is suspicious
agree. There is no reason except to hide something.
Highly suspicious.
Kudos to that one juror who held his own for 18 days and didn’t believe this suspicious interrogation nonsense.
Even on the recorded part you can see they’re patting the suspect on the back and telling him that his doing a good job. It insults my intelligence, I don’t know about the other 23 jurors.
Came here to say the same thing…why would you interrogate a suspect for 6 hours without a recording when there’s no attorney present, and then suddenly decide to document the conversation? It’s either suspicious or really stupid.
Agree! It's quite scary to think that the other jurors were happy to convict the man considering that huge discretion.
It’s very unsettling. They never found the little boy. The police didn’t record the first part of the interview with the suspect. They only recorded a confession. He doesn’t quite remember where he took the little boy. He may have mental health issues. Did they convict the right person? I’m so confused.
Hernandez told a few people over the years that he’d done something bad to a child. That’s weird.
That guy at the store looked nervous when the police were asking about him. that would have
Exactly! It really isn't clear he did it. There's no body, his mental state coupled with the loss of the first 6 hours is very suspicious, and all they really have is a confession from a man that seems obviously impaired. This should not even have been brought to trial. The accused appeared as though he should have been institutionalized either way, not imprisoned. Truthfully, it's cases like this that make it clear why so many people in this country are falsely imprisoned. smdh
@@philippamediwake1235 Yes but someone with severe mental health issues like him could've known about the case through the papers, the posters, other people and then imagine that it was himself that did it. He could be guilty, but he's not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
He seemed to become mentally ill when he was put on trial. Also, he tried to unburden himself by confessing to several people. Who would do that if they hadn't been carrying around that guilt for many years.
One Man, a known Paedophile, whose girlfriend had previously, walked Etan to the school bus; confessed to killing him but it was dismissed, through lack of evidence.
A second suspect, does the same thing, there's no corroborating evidence or witnesses and he was interviewed, for six hours, without it being recorded.
But he is charged.
What an absolute shambles!!!
I think, I feel, the real culprit, is the first suspect.
The first guy never admitted to killing him.. He said he met a boy in the park, could’ve been Etan, brought him back to his apartment and molested him.
The killing confession was from a jailhouse informant, saying they overheard him saying he disposed of the child down the apartment building furnace, but the police couldn’t substantiate that.
I know, I still agree though… I’m still boggled too.
Hmmm 🧐
Most likely NONE of them did it. I have this gut feeling.
I don’t know if I’m the only one or not, but I suspect *the parents.*
There is something awfully dark and shady about them.
Were there any witnesses at all that even saw the poor boy leave the house and walk to the bus stop that morning, to begin with? 🤔🤔
I think the police beat a confession out of that second guy or threatened him some other way.
That makes no sense because he ADMITTED TO OTHER PEOPLE FOR YEARS PRIOR!! Even church members 🙄
@@aliciakillen1940Yeah. Police never forced a confession with DETAILS. *Insert sarcasm*
I really cant imagine not knowing for 30+ years. Losing a child would break me.
As it would most people.
What's worse is I'm fairly convinced they got the wrong guy...
This case is heartbreaking. I remember when this was happening. Monsters who do such things to little children. There is a Special place in Hell for them.
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I agree
The only small comfort is that he likely didn't suffer long. But yeah horrible to do that to a child anyway.
Odd that ewetube DELETES me quoting the Bible scripture to support your statement of a special place in hell for these demons. (Luke 17:2) Ewetube HATES TRUTH.
@WatercolorMama2345: If you're a Christian, then you should accept that Jesus died for all of our sins, including what happened to Etan.
This means that if the perp is a Christian, he will go to heaven.
Read Romans 10:9.
I'm confused. They couldn't charge the first guy because they only had his word, but it was enough to charge the last guy based only on his word. That doesn't make any sense.
Exactly. And the fact the body was never found is soo mind blogging. Especially if it thrown down a few steps not far from the bus stop. Neither one of them did it
THIS !
The first guy who was a pedophile named Etan as a boy named Jimmy. And then said no more. The key here for the man who was convicted was when he showed police where he put Etan's body in the stairwell. He said there was no doorway in the stairwell in 1979. This held true.
The first guy did not confess to killing etan
It pisses me off that 48 Hours didn’t call out the cops for claiming that they couldn’t convict on just a confession from Ramos, but ultimately did just that with Hernandez. The whole thing about the door that wasn’t there was evidence of nothing. Plus, the missing interrogation tapes. That prosecution was a joke.
I'm 60. I remember this case well along with the case of Johnny Gosch. These cases were the end of innocence in that it taught us the world could be a dangerous place for children. My heart goes out to Stan and Julie Patz. To live all those years without knowing what happened to their son had to be devastating beyond words. The fact that they continued to live in the same neighborhood, the same flat is incredible. Rest in peace beautiful little Etan. Someday, your mom and dad will hold and hug you again when they come to heaven.
Forever 6 years old.
I think I remember reading or hearing at the time that they never moved just in case Etan found his way home
🙏🏽
@@norakleps8344they sold their loft in 2019 and moved to HI
@@norakleps8344
They finally moved after 40 years. Five years ago they sold the apartment and moved to Hawaii, joining their son Ari, who was 2 when Etan disappeared.
There's no heaven or hell. We came from nothingness and we'll return to nothingness.
I'm not 100% convinced that He did it. I'm sorry.
I agree with you
I am also not sure. People needed a closure and this mentally ill guy probably repeated what the police told him to say BEFORE they started recording.
Neither am I
WHY?
I agree with you.
The one thing guaranteed to keep me awake, is the thought of my son frightened & alone. My heart hurts for Atons parents💔
Idk about this one. The way the detective rubbed Hernandez head and the other detective saying he was proud of him as if talking to a child tells me they recognized his mental state. It also indicated that they may have coerced him to say certain things. It sounded more like "I'm proud of you for saying what I wanted you to say". I still believe it was the first guy.
The head-rubbing was really weird and patronizing. I can't think of any context when adults do that to other adults, let alone someone in position of authority doing it to a suspect they are interrogating.
The beginning footage is strange too. What is this lol the first ever public psy-op 🤣🤦🏼♀️ its sad about the little boy but how many little bipoc kids were going missing. What a strange situation to use up so many resources when there were other bad things happening. It’s like this one story is used to soothe their ‘hero’ consciences for ignoring other situations. The parents are close to dying so let’s get a conviction? Just, weird. Weird case.
The head rub made me physically ill
I was scrolling the comments to see if maybe I was tripping. That gesture was unprofessional. I treat "vulnerable" populations like everyone else, with a handshake or simply, thank you. I don't think I have ever seen that 🤔 in an interrogation video.
I agree it looks manipulative and not right
That juror who was the lone holdout is a hero. To be able to stick to your principle, all alone, after 18 days of stressful deliberation in a highly emotional case must have been beyond difficult. That type of determination is one of the pillars of justice in America and I suspect, unfortunately, it is not a trait most of us would exhibit in that situation.
If you've never seen the movie "12 Angry Men", I think you would find it fascinating.
I thought the same thing about that juror. To stick to his guns like that, and talk about it in the media? Really remarkable.
They convicted him anyways. All that juror did was waste taxpayer money in a retrial.
@@sigma_curryat least he tried
@@sigma_curryNonsense. His conscience remains clean. Let others carry the very probable burden of convicting an innocent person.
Where it comes to children i don't forgive.
Just my feelings.
I agree...
I agree also.
I 100% agree!
Of course
Same.
I was born in 1972 too. Kids were left to learn independence from early on. I do sometimes wonder how I survived, but I would not change my freedom as a kid for anything ❤❤❤❤
I was also born in 72 and remember this case very well because he was the exact same age as me. You are 100% correct, it was a different time and people who keep trying to blame the parents by saying they should never have let him walk alone need to realize that this was normal back then.
this could have easily been u, what benefits a child to have freedom at the cost of maybe going missing.
@@suzanne26slingerI think she’s more so referencing the freedoms of childhood “then” vs “now.”
Kids have to be afraid everywhere now… including in class, of being gunned down by assault rifles.
It’s a different youth-experience. There was more freedom, neighborhoods felt “safer,” people trusted more, etc.
@@suzanne26slinger only about 4.2% of children go missing a year and within that 4.2% 66% of missing children are between the ages of 15-17 and within that age range 91% are runaways. Also, between the ages of 0-6 almost all abducted children were taken by a relative or family friend. The actual chances of a small child being taken by a stranger are infinitely small and while children need to be aware of strangers parents need to be more worried about that family member.
For anything? Seems a bit of an insensitive comment considering the context of this video…but I’m glad you did survive.
A confession without any corroborating evidence should never be enough to convict someone.
There _was_ corroborating evidence, but no physical evidence.
agreed, i forget the mans name, but he literally confessed to killing his father who was found alive a few days later.. no mental illness, no drug use... it was all coerced by police
Its not even allowed in my country.
Cant sentence anyone for whatever crime solely on their own confession.
The one juror first time was right.
All the rest werent.
Unbelievable that in the US, this is possible.
@@jimwerther Which evidence would that be? There isnt any.
@@StofStuiver
Did you even watch this video?
The six hours of missing recordings is a reasonable doubt for me. I would have not accused him. The other guy seemed just as guilty. I guess we will never know.
Same.
STUPID POLICE not taping the first 6 hours of interrogation.
Stupid or malicious. There's no way to know.
I'd have been the lone holdout. I'm skeptical they got the right person for the crime.
@@IheartDogs55I’d have been with you. 6 hours is a ridiculous amount of time to not be recording. Literally the only reason for not recording it would be trying to coerce this man into a confession.
Right... It's one thing if the equipment wasn't there. But you have everything to record video and audio, and you purposely leave it off for 6 hours? Then, all of a sudden, you turn it on? Something is VERY fishy about that.
They do this all the time. They break people down for hours and hours till they start agreeing to stuff so they can go home.
Why tf didn’t they initially have the cameras rolling during the initial interview? Smh. This is exactly how good cases are thrown out in court.
This is also how bad cases are thrown out.
Ineptitude.
In my country they do that, torture the suspect then turn the video on. It is ridiculous. These days the way of torture is different. They do spank the prisoner and let them without food, water, blankets. Many, after a while will confess they killed their mother. But she is still alive. It is better, but far from good judicial system. Americans are better, but not perfect. IMHO the system in the USA does work.
They want to avoid taping false confessions
@@jimwerther
NO, they do that to brainwash or beat a confession out of the people, so they get points in their careers, even for advancement. It’s easy to do that to gullible people and the ones who have diminished capacity! Think, if you can!!
Etan was a little under a year older And and Adam Walsh was a little under a year younger than me . I grew up in North Jersey and when this happened it scared my parents down to thier core .
It angers but mostly saddens me of what these two little boys and thier parents were robbed of .
My parents were able to see me graduate from college , get married, give them grand children and celebrate my retirement from the military with me . Adam or Etan or Adam could have cured cancer, awarded a Nobel prize for peace or just had a regular life like me .
Forever in my heart and prayers . I
I remember this case as so many do because of Etan being the first child I ever saw on a milk carton. I was a newlywed hoping to start a family and it scared me to death.
Hmmm 🧐
Most likely NONE of them did it. I have this gut feeling.
I don’t know if I’m the only one or not, but I suspect *the parents.*
There is something awfully dark and shady about them.
Were there any witnesses at all that even saw the poor boy leave the house and walk to the bus stop that morning, to begin with? 🤔🤔
I'm the same way. I always have this six sense the parents did something
While I do NOT suspect the parents, I do agree that something happened to Etan BEFORE making it to the bus stop. None of his friends or any parents at the stop ever even saw him.
I totally understand wanting justice for atrocities perpetrated upon society, especially family members. I had a loved one murdered in 75, but I want the correct individual to pay not just anyone who said they did it. I realize so many were vested in this case. It's heart wrenching, but I don't think that I could have, in good conscience, convicted this man. He was not even seen at the bus stop. The book bag was never located, along with his history of mental illness, but mainly that video recording delay. Too much reasonable doubt for me to say guilty. 🤔😲
@@nonenow857
Yeah, me too.
@@_FaithHopeLOVE
Spamming the comment section with slander against the victims? Have you no shame?
I don't think he did it. I think they just needed someone to blame.
me too
I really thought the family babysitter’s boyfriend admitted to doing it and incinerating his body in the basement furnace of the building where he lived at the time. Makes no sense… maybe I’m confusing it with another case…
That confession should never have been allowed in. 6 hours of unrecorded time is wild. It should've been thrown out completely. This was a miscarriage of justice, and it remains unclear whether the real murderer has even been found, despite criminal and civil convictions of two different people.
Why would he tell everyone he did it? Why would his story be so consistent? Why would he continue to do so? Stop defending him. He did it, he's trying to make sure that he goes to his death (he's up in years) with a clean conscience. Accept it.
absolutely, at the end of the day he was a mere paedophile, and has gone on through history,dont know why people were disgusted etc in the past,thankfully these days its not so much of an issue,and generally (even if there if violence) are treated fairly, makes me so mad on the odd occasion one gets community service,such a heavy sentence, evil judges
I agree, it all looked very wrong.
@@FrankiesFancy Well I think someone else did it, and I wonder why you are defending them. Stop it now.
Why didnt the school call the parents that morning questioning his absence? That call could have saved precious time. 😢
Because that’s not how the world worked way back then.
He was likely killed very quickly and probably wouldn't have saved him if the school had called the parents early on after Etan didn't arrive at school.
Back then, you could keep your child home from school at your own descretion, whether from sickness or whathaveyou. On the day the child returned to school mom would give the child a note to give to the homeroom teacher explaining the absence.
Cases like these are exactly why schools now do notify parents right away when a child isn't at school and the school hasn't been contacted by the parents already.
We were not used to the Evil back then like we are today. It was a totally different world then when I was growing up. About the only kidnapping I ever heard of was the Lindbergh Baby back in 1932.
I have a little 6 year old boy and this is so sad. I can't imagine what parents have to go through when a child is missing. 😢
I have a 5 yo and I can't fathom letting her walk two blocks in NYC to the bus. And stopping by a corner store to buy a soda. Crazy, maybe I'm overprotective.
@@jesseerickson662 I hear ya. That's not overprotective. The attitude about kids outside on their own has changed a lot. (And for good reason obviously.) I was 14 when this happened but at the age of 6 I walked to school. We didn't live in a city though, which I would've thought parents would be more cautious there than in suburbs or in rural areas even back then. But maybe not.
@jesseerickson662 I agree! It's OUR responsibility to protect & accompany our kids,,especially that young! He's too young for Independence. She could of still followed him without him knowing. But me..I wouldn't of EVER let my 6 year old child out alone to walk anywhere! Too many monsters & predators looking for easy targets:/
@@nativeamericanfeather9948 When I was 10 in 1964 we lived in San Francisco. We walked everywhere and came home when it was time for dinner. I can't even imagine doing that now even as an adult! Times have really changed. It's so sad. 💜 🦝
would you let you 6 year old go to a buss alone on a busy street? i bet you would not ...
I will never ever forget Etan and his photo-it was everywhere and it frightened me so much back then. May he rest in peace 💔
How come no one came across his backpack if hernades said that he threw it behind the fridge? Someone would have found it, even if it was over the years
Most likely NEITHER of these guys did it. I have this gut feeling.
I don’t know if I’m the only one or not, but I suspect the parents.
There is something awfully dark and shady about them. CREE-PI-OS!!! 🥴🤢
Were there any witnesses at all that saw the poor boy even leave the house and walk to the bus stop that morning, in the first place? 🤔🤔
I wonder if the police looked into the parents first and foremost at all?
@@_FaithHopeLOVE yep.
@@_FaithHopeLOVEyou are spot on he never left the apartment. The father was totally creepy and the mother is as cold as ice. The wrong man is locked up.
@@_FaithHopeLOVE they did look at the parents first, the mother said so. To be honest, I had an overwhelming gut feeling about one of the parents immediately, even though they said and did all the right things. I can’t even explain it rationally.
@_FaithHopeLOVE I agree, the dad looked creepy as hell.
I feel so sad for Detective Butler that he took his own life. Its so horrific to carry that in your conscience that you couldn't solve the case. R.I.P. detective Butler.
Why didn't they show Pedro a fake picture on a doctored missing poster first to verify if he was telling the truth about ACTUALLY seeing the boy?
Or a lineup of children to make him choose the correct one
@@kimmiegirl810since it was on the news he'd probably pick correctly
I heard of a case earlier today where the police convinced a man to say he was guilty of murdering his father after he called them to say he couldn’t find his father. The questioned him for 12 hours. Come to find out his father wasn’t even dead! And the police knew it after a few hours of interrogation! Yet they still tortured him.
Wow 🥺
I know it's been said, but six years old is far too young to be unaccompanied in New York City or anywhere, for that matter.
Obviously!!!! But we don't victimize, victims....
@@angelaame6148
Obviously, but there's only one victim, Etan. 45 years later, it's worth a mention that children should be protected at all costs.
I know. Alone? Not a good idea at all.
I know I would not now, but I also know when I was a child in the 60s to 70s, it really was a different time, and there was more freedom for kids as the norm!
@@zombiechicken7114so true. I remember being left in the car when my mom went into the stores. No one would even think of doing that now. It was just such a different time. Cases like this are the reason things changed.
The first time that I have doubts about a guilty verdict in 48 Hours.
Same here. I'm just sitting here shaking my head at the end of the episode.
May his precious soul rest in peace and all the other missing, lost children 🙏🏼 How people can do that to others is beyond me, these monsters deserve nothing but eternal hell.
Amen.
Most likely NONE of them did it. I have this gut feeling.
I don’t know if I’m the only one or not, but I suspect *the parents.*
There is something awfully dark and shady about them.
Were there any witnesses at all that even saw the poor boy leave the house and walk to the bus stop that morning, to begin with? 🤔🤔
Lol, he grabbed the boy and dumped him in the trash. That's why he was never found. It took minutes. The parents went through hell.
@@_FaithHopeLOVEyou need to chill
@@_FaithHopeLOVEMaybe there’s something dark and horrible about you, blaming innocent people for killing their own son. Go look in the mirror and look at youself. 💙💙💙💙
@@_FaithHopeLOVE pretty sure they didn't do it . I'm sure they were cleared years ago, what a horrible thing to say 😢
I’m still confused about what actually happened to Etan…the family won a wrongful death lawsuit against Ramos who was never tried criminally…but Hernandez was tried criminally and convicted.
So who ACTUALLY killed Etan?
It's a very weird story indeed, something still doesn't add up
Did anyone else SEE Etan leaving his home that morning ?
I might have missed the info.
@mariawestman9026 ....if you're implying that the parents may have had something to do with it...they didn't
It was neither of these dudes. Im only 5 minutes in and I don't think either suspect took Etan
@@mickeybell8933dads a creep , prove he’s innocent…
MY LITTLE GIRL BEGGED TO WALK BY HERSELF , BECAUSE ALL THE OTHER KIDS DID. SO I FINALLY LET HER. BUT...I FOLLOWED HER FROM A DISTANCE AND THEN WAITED AND FOLLOWED HER HOME. GOOD THING, BECAUSE. SHE GOT LOST ON THE WAY HOME AND THEN WHEN I PULLED UP NEXT TO HER THESE OTHER WOMEN IN A CAR CAME UP AND STARTED QUESTIONING ! THEY WERE ON THE BALL, BUT SO WAS I !
That is so reassuring that the other women were looking out for your daughter as well! This brought tears to my eyes.
@@stevnated YES. MOM'S LOOKING OUT FOR OTHERS.
Heart breaking. Etan was such a beautiful child. His poor family. RIP Etan.
I think Etan and Johnny the paperboy missing child cases will always be seared in our minds. The first two cases in which the children's faces were everywhere on milk cartons. 🥛 😢
Johnny Gosch.
Hmmm 🧐
Most likely NONE of them did it. I have this gut feeling.
I don’t know if I’m the only one or not, but I suspect *the parents.*
There is something awfully dark and shady about them.
Were there any witnesses at all that even saw the poor boy leave the house and walk to the bus stop that morning, to begin with? 🤔🤔
I remember them both being on the milk carton ,I always looked at the milk cartons daily as a child never imagined they never found out .
@@_FaithHopeLOVE I was agreeing with you, then I found this on Google. I think it could go either way and I wonder why the parents were so quickly ruled out.
When Etan Patz went missing in 1979, his parents, Stanley and Julie Patz, were initially considered suspects by detectives but were quickly ruled out. Julie watched Etan walk to his school bus stop from their Prince Street home window on May 25, 1979, and saw him stop at a bodega to buy a soda. She didn't realize he was missing until he didn't return home after school.
So two things, one for each side--if she was going to watch him walking, why didn't she keep watching to see him leave the bodega and continue to the bus stop? That's odd to me. But on the other side, didn't Hernandez say he brought the boy down to the basement under the premise to give him a soda? And the mother says he went to the store to get a soda. So that COULD fit......I just want to know why they were so quickly ruled out.
@@deninevhmaybe they had a deal with him to take him
A time when knowing how to search for lost children was really in its infancy.
I commend John Walsh for being instrumental in how to search when his own son was kidnapped.
Sadly, it’s an ongoing tragedy in US society.
Children weren't safe then. Still aren't, sadly.
I know. New legislations and laws made in late kids' names ring hollow as these criminals keep doing what they do. Smh😡
And the ones who don’t want kids due to this very reason are shamed!
Kids are more likely to be abused or killed by a family member than a stranger.
They are safer now than they were back then. In fact they are several hundred times safer now than they were back then.
@@kenyattaclay7666I'm not so sure about that. Politicians wanting to lower the age of consent, sexualizing children in ad campaigns, trafficking, SRA, child protection taking kids away from parents, kids disappearing without a trace from disaster sites, I can go on for an hour.
He said he left the body down those stairs and somebody picked up a 40+ pound box and threw it away without ever looking to see what was in the box? That seems hard to believe. I would have looked in the box before throwing it away. Makes the whole story hard to believe. Also, what was his motive? Seems like he just strangled him for no reason? I think this case has reasonable doubt.
I agree. More than reasonable.
If he is really mentally unstable that could happen he could just choke him out of impulsiveness
@vvvvvvw915 That is a possibility.... So many holes in this case. I hope they got the right guy, but I'm really not sure.
Who remembers watching the movie "I know my first name is Steven" sad story of abduction and to learn what happened to him and his brother afterwards is heartbreaking
That and the Hulu special....just crazy. And his own brother later killed those people.
Brother became a killer
yeah saw the documentary, both Steven and Timmy have passed, they have a statue build for them in the park. i was so sad when Steven died in an accident. ughh..
Yes I saw that movie.
Stayner
This is why I never let my kids out of my sight.
I was born in 1971, and at Etan’s age was permitted to leave school and walk home alone for lunch period!!! It still blows my mind. It was a small community on the south shore of LI, but still…latch key kids had a lot of dangerous freedoms.
Same! Both parents worked, so my sister and I would be dropped off by the bus and let ourselves into the house. I felt so grown up with my own key. Luckily, we had each other and neighbors looking out for us.
ALL police interviews must be recorded. I don't care if it was law or not. It protects everyone
The law differs from state to state and from circumstance to circumstance
thankfully you are an armchair expert only
How can a kid of 6 know how to make decisions when the unexpected happens. He doesn't think people are evil. No one expects to see kids of that age alone
Back then it was a much different world and yes, young kids would go places alone. Hard to believe but I lived it. We were raised in a small town though,.
At ten years old my mom told me just to ride my bike as fast as i could to the nearest house, knock on the door.and tell them to call my mom. I knew knew our phone number and it was a small town so most people knew my parents. I never had to do that. Times were.just different.
@@lsrose What if the door you knocked on, was the door of a pedophile? That wasn't a good idea back then either SMH.
@@stephanied9629 The world wasn't as different as you think...
I’m just a year younger than he was. I walked to the bus stop alone and later to school when we lived close enough. As for knowing if people were evil or not, I definitely was aware that there were bad people in the world. I was on the other side of the country but my parents watched the news every night and I very clearly remember news stories about Ted Bundy, Diane Downs, and the Green River Killer on our local news. Kids know more than you think they know.
I think I watch too much true crime. Immediately they said he was meant to buy Soda at the corner store,I said to my mum”the abductors and killer will be someone who worked at that store”
I did too!! What awful oooice work to not interrogate everyone who was at the store that am. His mom said she gave him a dollar to get a drink! Ridiculous he was able to live 30+years in freedom
At 6 I would have taken too much time in the store buying my soda and I would have missed the bus. All the while a creep was watching etan in the store
@@furball192so true 😢
I agree. The store and soda is a big clue. When any kid is given money to go buy something they like… I’m sure his mission was to go straight there and buy his soda. That’s exciting for any kid.
I'm not convinced either of them did it.
I think that between the two, the guy who wasn't charged actually seems more likely. The fact that his girlfriend knew Etan personally really jumps out at me.
But again, I think it's quite possible neither of these guys did it, and that the real abductor is still out there (could be dead by now).
When I was 6 I was "arrested" by NYPD after 2 people were CONVINCED I was Etan Patz. I was alone I snuck out of our apartment to buy ice cream. Cops drove me around gently interviewing me. Bought me a slice of pizza. Eventually I convinced them and they brought me home. RIP Etan.
Ok dude we believe that sure
I believe you!
@@grandmaof4811 Thanks. I mean it would be a pretty weird story to make up. Patz is 7 months older than me. We both lived in Manhattan and it was a famous story all over the news. The 2 who "called me in" were a lady and a doorman. The cops were very nice.
Your parents must have got a fright when you were brought back by police.
My dad dropped me off at kindergarten when there was no school. He left me sitting on the curb--no busses, no cars, no kids...I started walking home. I made it to the first real 4-way crosswalk, hit the button, and waited. Luckily a woman saw, freaked out, and took me to a store and the police eventually escorted me home. I shudder to think what may have happened to me. I was 5. It was the 80s. My parents smoked too much dope.
A missing child is just the most heartbreaking tragedy that a parent can experience. Unfortunately, it happens all too often.
If hernandez really confessed then why did he appeal his sentence in 2020? Makes me think hernandez was coerced into that confession. Also, I find hard to believe that no one noticed a box with a body inside it in that basement. If garbage men picked it up they would have felt the weight and been suspicious, no doubt. If hernandez left that box there then how does it just disappear from there?
A person cannot be relaxed when it comes to their children no matter the age or sex. I've watched my two children every where they went, and believe me they didn't go no where without my permission or attendance, because of this reason. I have successfully raise one child that is now grown and have another one who is still a child. I watch her walk to the bus stop every morning for school and I don't take my eyes off of her until she gets on the bus, it's the same when she comes home in the afternoons too. I still walk my child to Public restrooms and wait for her to come out. Because I don't trust my child to be alone in this dark and ugly World with strangers that are capable of anything.
I do the exact same thing.
Have just gotten to the point where I let mine roam the five blocks of our monthly community festival with a tracker and periodic check ins. At her age, I was out without any parental supervision, no way to reach me, crossing 4 lane highways, and up to shennanigans.
Isn’t it sad kids can’t be kids because of the sick people out there?😢😢😢
I completely agree and I wouldn't care if it was the 1600's!!!! 6 years is not enough time to be on this planet to be able to walk to a bus stop.I don't care. That part really made me upset. I feel like 6 years old.Is way too young.
@@TH-hy9krmy daughters don’t believe me when I tell them we used to take off on our bikes at 9 am, come home maybe once to eat and then not come back until the street lights came on. We lived in Key West FL in the early 90’s it was pure bliss
I remember walking in NYC and seeing his picture everywhere. My heart hurts for Etan’s parents.
How closely were the parents looked into? The father seems very eager to accept anyone that the police point a finger at
We will never know for certain. The parents at the bus stop didn't see Etan at the bus stop? They didn't see him walk away, presumably with Hernandez? I'm skeptical that Hernandez killed Etan. It's overall a horrific tragedy.
I believe he took too long buying the soda in the store and missed the bus and why no one saw him there. Hernandez would have taken him when he saw him in the store
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The police have to rigorously record all interrogations no matter what from begining to end for a fair trial
no way a garbage man would pick up a lone box without looking in it first
Q: was there proof that he left his house??
Not sure why I sometimes watch this series. It is so extremely frustrating. Even now I’m not sure they have the right person. Just getting a conviction seems enough to satisfy many people. To me it needs to be the right person for justice to that dear little boy. What an evil world this can be.
I remember this story all too well when I was little. Seeing his sweet face on my milk carton. Hearing the latest on ABC 7 Eyewitness news, etc. My heart ached for his parents then and still does today.
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@@skyhigh1154 I let my girl do it.
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I remember this case. I too was a child when Etan was missing. Sad story.
🖤🖤🖤how sad. @@Butarangau
@@ButarangauNo, he was not. You're from Papua New Guinea. Pls remove your lies from my thread.
will start watching now.
Still tears in that detective's eyes. Breaks my heart.
That is the most beautiful smile I've ever seen. RIP kiddo ❤❤❤
Only 6 years old and she gave him the independence he wanted.. wow
I know…I’d rather not say anything
You don’t understand how different the world and life was back then. All young children had a lot of independence and freedom, life was very different.
@@stephanied9629 Stop telling people they don't understand. They understand just fine.
@@kayscarpetta5502 lol, no they are don't!
@@stephanied9629 Yes, they do. You are just like a parrot repeating your inane statement over and over.
Throughout history, children and animals - our most vulnerable - nothing has changed.
Old people
And elderly people and those who are unable to care for themselves.
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@@PinkGrammarGirl Times were never different. Humans have consistently remained the same throughout history and history repeats itself because we don't learn.
don't forget women
Etan was 6 months older than me. I grew up in a rural area in NJ and my mother walked us and waited at our bus stop. Chills hearing the Hernandez man lived less than a mile from my grandparents home, where I spent summers riding my bike alone in their neighborhood.
Something ain’t adding up, that man looked mentally challenged to me
There were mistakes but i believe Pedro is guilty. He lost color in his face upon law enforcement arrival, he quit the job at the store shortly after Etan was missing, he talked about it to several other people, he mentioned the soda pop as a lure, the book bag was mentioned, the bus stop was right by the store, and he mentioned there was not a door at the bottom of the stairs at that time. God knows and justice will be served correctly but i do believe he did this.
when did the parents first claim, if ever, that the dollar was for soda. does not ring true. sounds like revisionist corroboration to me.
New York in '79 was a garbage dump, I don't care if I could spit and hit the bus. I'm not letting my kid walk by himself at 6 or 16. Too many people attribute the things they would or wouldn't do to everyone else around them, and we have to be proven wrong with tragedies such as this.
I agree.
Only in the 70’s and early 80’s did parents let there six year olds out alone. My parents did too, I used to do the twenty minute walk to school in central London by myself. Such a different era to today, I’d never let my son do that.
6-years-old and allowed to walk to the bus stop, alone, in New York City, in 1979 🤔
Different times back then.
@@Simplelivingslowliving Obviously not!
SoHo was a very very quiet, family neighborhood. It was idyllic then. Also, two blocks there isn’t the same as two blocks in Midtown. You could look out your window and see that far in SoHo.
But I agree with you, Etan’s mother should have walked him, and I imagine she has spent the last 45 years wishing she had. No need to punish her with social judgement at this time.
Prayers for the family.
@@Simplelivingslowliving I remember my mom, who grew up in the 1920s and 30s, talking about how she was warned as a child about kidnappers and stranger danger. Back then, they thought gypsies were responsible. I don't think there has ever been an idyllic time when children were completely safe.
In 2024 in the West of Ireland - I would never allow my 7 year old daughter to walk to a bus stop alone. There are so many variable and kids that age don’t have much sense. God love you Ethan. 😔
no cops, searchers, or investigators thought to check out the basement of that corner store that had an set of stairs right beside the bus stop ? !! great work guys
They said they would have but I'd expect that to be documented in the files.
I'm sickened that Ramos got 10-12 years for molesting a kid. There should be zero chance to re-offend when child abuse is concerned. Child molestation should be a life sentence...so many future crimes would be prevented.
Crazy what the parents went through. 30 years of not knowing what happened to Etan plus two long greuling trials. Rest in peace angel, I hope in your short life your knew how loved you are.
I am not convinced at all that they have the right guy yet!
I'm with that one juror, too much reasonable doubt. I've had cops try hard to get me to confess to things I didn't do, and when that didnt work they would try to get me to say I witnessed a friend commit said crime.
Exactly, I'm with you 100%.
Did anyone else SEE Etan leaving his home and walk to the bus stop this morning ?
I might miss the info.
No one at the bus stop remembered Etan being there that day. The confession was coerced. The real killer is still out there.smh
Thanks for responding 🌹
Thats a thought.. maybe he didn't even get out of the building!!!
@@user-um5uh2wn2s I can’t find the information telling us when a witness last saw him.
If it was from the day before. Or the same morning.
If he was walking towards the school bus it should be lots of people seeing him.
Well , 48 hours doesn’t always cover exactly everything but to exclude this kind of info is in my opinion a mistake.
I can’t believe his parents were so calm and collected!
They were in shock.
Oh well but they were. Your point?
Wouldn’t a mom watch her child from a window on his first walk alone to school, especially since it’s only 2 blocks?!
A good mom would. I would never let me child walk off, but if I did, I'd be glued to the window until his feet got on the bus.
It's such a coincidence it was his first time...how much were the parents investigated?
@@PinkGrammarGirl That just gave me a chill
Yeah.. not blaming her, but .. yeah
She must have felt terrible all these years. My heart goes out to her. 💚
They had two other children, weren’t they getting the same bus?
IMO, the Mother surely could have 'agreed' to allow him to walk 'alone' to school which she did for the very first time, yet all the while, she should have been shadowing behind him to make sure 100% that he was safe all the way to the inside of the school.
Thank you! It’s exactly what I was thinking!
I understand the intent of your statement, but you don’t really understand how to use hindsight. Hindsight doesn’t and cannot win. One correct usage could have been, “In hindsight, the mother should have realized the potential danger and shadowed Etan on his walk.”
Save it for the lecture hall @@MGT2060
I was thinking, if the parents can look out their window and see all the way to the bus stop, then why wasn't the mother watching the whole time from the window?
Because the world was MUCH different back then. Children had a lot of freedoms, people trusted other people…..
I really think they got the wrong guy. I’ve had enough mentally ill friends to know that they can be coerced to believe plenty of things that aren’t true. In those 6 hours of unrecorded interview, he could have been completely convinced that he did it, or that he was doing a wonderful sacrifice of himself to give the parents closure… And the fact that he said Etan was at the bus stop, when nobody else that was actually at the bus stop saw him, just leads me more so to believe that he’s a mentally ill person who was coerced into taking the blame. What a sad story, all around. I think Etan’s killer was never brought to justice. ☹️
There should have showed him like six different kids and see if he would have pointed the right one out
Why do I have this weird feeling it was the parents that killed the poor kid and made up the story about him going missing
I wondered about that too. The parents are SO cool. Too cool.
Because we have seen that happen many times in recent years.
To get a verdict of Not Guilty, all the defense had to do is prove there is reasonable doubt.
Reasonable doubt:
#1. Those six missing hours of interrogation - You cannot prove that he was or wasn't fed integral informatiobn about the case.
#2. No physical evidence - It would be extremely difficult to find any physical evidence after so many years, but not impossible.
#3. No eye witnesses - Not one person saw this man taking a young boy down into a cellar on the busy streets of New York in rush hour?
#4. No motive - His 'confession' tells us of how he took the boy down to the cellar purely just to choke him to death. No sexual assault was mentioned or 'reasoning' as to why he would have decided to do it.
All of this, combined with the filmed verbal and physical coaxing that the police did whilst he was being interrogated, along with his low IQ, possible guilt he felt for years for 'hurting' a boy and thus thinking this is his long awaited justice and punishment, the only logical and fair outcome should have been a Not Guilty verdict.
Whether the defence were lacking, or the jury was emotional charged, it begs to ask if they were swayed by personal reasons.
Of all of this though, there's one piece of information that stuck with me since the start of this documentary: This was apparently the FIRST time he walked to the bus stop alone, and nobody has made a statement to say that they saw Etan that morning, That would give the parents 6-7 hours to dispose of Etan's body before raising the alarm to the police. Not 100% saying that they are guilty, but that is much more suspicious than the 'evidence' used to lock up Hernandez in my opinion.
Really, really not. You have a very active imagination.
Oh damn, all my sound reasoning pales in comparison to your throwaway one liner. I HAVE been told 😆
These are legitimate things that should have been addressed by anyone with a logical mind.
@@yorkiewilliams9351
'Sound reasoning' as decided by whom? Just because I don't feel like spending half hour addressing all your fallacies, you feel superior? Just your pointing at the parents alone disqualifies you. Learn the basics of the case, then get back to me.
@@jimwerther 'Disqualifies you' as decided by whom? See, it works both ways. I am not stating that Hernandez is innocent or that the parents are guilty, I was stating that there was infact reasonal doubt. And in a missing persons case, EVERYONE related to the case should be pointed at until there is sufficient evidence to prove a person's guilt.
And I am actually superior to you, not because of the reason you stated, but because you got emotionally charged and felt the need to verbally bash me to get some sort of 'win'. Learn the basics of etiquette, and I don't care if you get back to me as I am now done with you.
@@yorkiewilliams9351 - statistically far far more likely to be the parents.
Such a sad sad case. I’m just not convinced that Pedro is 100% guilty. Just by his constant changing stories. His constant “I think” makes it doubtful. They couldn’t charge the first guy because they only had his word to go by. But then they charge Pedro only on his word. That makes no sense. Poor poor Etan. I hope his family can at least get some peace and closure.
Agreed.
Dreadful the parents letting a 6 year old child out like that . A terrible price to pay too
I highly doubt Hernadez killed that boy. I watch a million of these shows and cops routinely scare a person into giving a false confession and they then feed them details of the case. That the didn't record 6 hours of an interrogation is highly suspect.
Well said. Agreed. This episode really bothers me.
A 6 year old child wants independence? As a parent I’ll teach my child you can get independence when you can defend yourself.
My heart really breaks for Etan's parents. I hope they did indeed get justice. What a nightmare. 😢
A child six years old can't be independent the parents were irresponsible.How did she leave her own child alone ? it's unbelievable.
I wonder if the kid even left the house. The parents are giving sus vibes. 🤷🏻♀️
I'm curious if they were even investigated. That is was his first time walking...how convenient/coincident.
Ya did the mom even watch and look out her balcony as he walked?? I mean she’s seen doing it so many times, just staring off down the street, on the balcony in this documentary… why not when her child is walking down the street alone for the first time 🤔🤦🏻♀️
Seems shady the cops did not record the earlier hours of the interview. Was it just so they can say they solved the case? He is mentally challenged and I doubt his words. Indeed there are alot of mentally challenged people who go round saying things they are not. Also, a 6 year old boy in a box will be a pretty big box - not easy not to be noticed by garbage collectors.
Right. Good observations!
Especially since at this time, there were active searches going on in the neighborhood, and such a box would probably attract attention considering it was only a few blocks away. Also agree re: likelihood confession was coerced.
True.
Etan was too young to be walking alone in NY. He was defenceless & innocent 😢
I grew up in new york city and it was a badge of honor for kids to run errands for their parents used to beg your parents to run an errand
A little boy went missing, never to be found. That's what I'm stuck on. Children have a soft spot in my heart..as they do to you guys too 😢 rest peacefully Etan. Condolences to the family and loved ones. Condolences to the family of the first detective who took his own life as well. 🕊🕊
It's so heartbreaking for the family
It's more touching when it's a kid. 😢
crying and watching
That is why we hate abortion
@@mattmatt6572abortion has nothing to do with this
@@mattmatt6572 what a ridiculous statement. Aborting a fetus isn’t even remotely the same thing as a child being murdered. My God.
It is exactly the same thing! fetus has brain heart and feels pain. What is more human about a 6 yo then a fetus?
I understand times were different then. (I grew up in the 80s)
However letting a 6 yr old walk 2 blocks alone and letting him go to the shop is CRAZY!
The roads and crossing traffic alone is scary enough let alone the thought of any creep getting hold of him!! 😵💫😵💫😵💫
I agree that Etan was really too young to walk by himself to the bus stop. Too many potential dangers along the way for a 6 year old.
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I agree
This case isnt really solved.
Not by a long shot. He was trafficked uptown.
I agree!
I remember this, I was 17, am 62 everyone was concerned, he just disappeared...and his poster was everywhere!! He just got lost in a city of 8 million....so 😥 you knew it was foul play..