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It's 1913, and war comes to England a year in advance, as the terrifying Family hunt for the Doctor.
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Insightful commentary and analysis of the episode.
Discussion on character dynamics and plot development.
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Harry Lloyd, who played Baines, is the great-great-great-grandson of Victorian writer Charles Dickens.
Now that's a great nugget of info.
The COLDEST Doctor ending ever, you were right when you said they found the wrong one 😂
YES!!!!!!!!!!
And somehow the right one, at the same time
Scriptwriter Paul Cornell based this serial upon his 1995 Doctor Who novel, "Human Nature", making this two-parter the first time in the series history that an original Doctor Who novel was adapted for television.
When I was a kid watching Dr Who I never thought an episode would bring me to tears. But the final scene saw this grown man with a tear in his eye.
Can't wait to see you guys reacting the the epic 2008 series.
The scene at the end is a remembrance service, which are held on the second Sunday in November, known as Remembrance Sunday.
The poppies symbolise those who gave their lives in service for the country and are sold every year, with the proceeds going to the Royal British Legion.
The poem the vicar is reading is the third verse from a poem called ‘For the fallen’ though it’s more traditional for the fourth verse to be read out at services all over the U.K.
“They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old:
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning
We will remember them.”
At 11.00 on Remembrance Sunday it is usual for the majority of the country to fall silent for two minutes.
The two young men likely ended up serving together in a Pals battalion. To encourage volunteers the Army allowed people to join en-masse on the understanding they would stay together. It was not unusual for former pupils, workmates, sometime villages to join together as a pals battalion. The unfortunate consequence was that in a single action an entire community could lose all of their serving menfolk, and many towns and villages through the U.K. have memorials to those that were killed.
Good information. Did this used to be called Armistice Day? Eleven o'clock on the 11th day of the 11th month.
@@HuntingViolets yes, it was called Armistice Day . In the UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand and many Commonwealth countries the name was changed to Remembrance Day after WWII. 11 am commemorates the time the peace treaty was signed in Versailles. Throughout these countries, the same traditions exist of gathering at the war memorials to host a service to remember the war dead. Like the UK, these countries entered the war as soon as Britain did so losses we very high (and people often enlisted with their friends and neighbours). My husband's grandfather just barely survived . He lost his leg at Vimy Ridge, lay for hours wounded in No Man Land until he was found by the stretch bearers. Parts of his leg had to be amputated several times due to gangrene (no antibotics then). There is a statue of him in local museum to commemorate all the wounded men (he did live until his 80s although he was unable to return to farming due to his disability) .
@@purrceys7959 I think we used to have Armistice Day (USA) but then it got changed to Veterans Day. I should look it up, but I just want to go with what I recall for the moment.
David and Freema also voiced the Doctor and Martha in an animated episode, The Infinite Quest.
BTW David Tennant did win an international Emmy in 2021 for his portrayal of real life serial killer Dennis Neilson in the TV drama Des. He's absolutely chilling in it. I high recommend checking it out (unlike some true crime dramas, it's not graphic and the murders are not shown).David is one of the most versatile actors of his generation and should have won multiple Baftas.
One thing about the Doctor. He always gives his enemy a chance to stop doing bad things. They never stop and get what they deserve. But, they have a chance.
I knew you’d love Martha in these episodes! She’s an absolute star!
Not to mention, the reason it never occurred to him about falling in love is because he already loved Rose. It never even crossed his mind that there would be someone else.
That is a very very good point.
Like many of us in the audience. We're still not over Rose completely. I get that.
@amberdulay7238 The Doctor is an a-sexual 900 year old ancient alien he does not fall in love with his companions it's disturbing for an 900 year old to be attracted to 19 year old young earth women he cared deeply for Rose because she helped him with his trauma from the Time War and he later stated it made him better.
@@joshuajoshua2732 no matter how much that is preferred the asexual policy. Rose was definitely written as a love/romance interest for a modern Doctor Who. She did those things for him yea but she was also made to be a love interest also.
@@joshuajoshua2732Eh. The age difference is weird, but maybe not as weird as you'd think considering the different lifespans. If Time Lords can live up to 4,500 years (which may well be much less than they actually do), then 900 years is the proportional equivalent to a 20 year old human.
And I think the show made it clear he is *not* asexual -- or at least not aromantic. He definitely did love Rose very much; that's why his Meta-Crisis version chooses to stay with Rose as her lover. It's just usually, he has more important things on his mind than romance.
@@joshuajoshua2732just bc he doesn't get involved doesn't mean he is asexual lol I think he is wise enough to know the complications and the whole wibbly-wobbly time-wimey aspect of it all which is why he refrains from doing so
"No second chances."
The Doctor's alias of John Smith goes all the way back to the story The Wheel in Space, where it's given to him by his companion, Jamie. A story in a couple of season's time, though, will reveal that he was using the name even before that.
Great nugget. Thank you
Forgot to mention that The Wheel in Space was 1968.
@Syntell Forgot to mention that The Wheel in Space was in 1968.
The very first ever episode, An Unearthly Child explains why he associates John Smith with the Common Man…
16:19 This is one of most savage thing the Doctor has done! So satisfying 😌
That ended suddenly! I believe that Thomas Brodie-Sangster was still a teenager when this episode was filmed. His character was probably only 13 or so. In WWI there were a lot of boys who lied about their age and joined up in their early teens.
The depressing thing is that the recruitment officers often colluded with them when doing so. ☹️
@@andrewgwilliam4831 How many 14-15 year old boys can realistically pass for 18? It must have happened a lot.
7:50 The Doctor breaks hearts all across the space time continuum
One of my favorite two parters, and the next episode is some peak Doctor who. remember not to Blink, you won't want to miss a second of it.
This episode is an incredible exhibition of how much of a god-tier composer Murray Gold is
They have BAFTAs in England. They do two ceremonies a year, one for movies and one for television. Tennant recently hosted the movie BAFTAs, which was a little before the Oscars. He is currently nominated for a television BAFTA for Best Male Actor in a Leading Role in a Comedy for _Good Omens._ (Please react to _Good Omens.)_
He did win a Welsh BAFTA for _Doctor Who_ in 2007 (which is this season, I think) and a Scottish one for _The Escape Artist_ but was never nominated for a the regular BAFTA before the _Good Omens_ nomination.
David Tennant has been snubbed by BAFTA since his first BAFTA/Emmy-worthy performance in 1994 (Takin' Over the Asylum). He FINALLY got nominated for a BAFTA for Good Omens this year after they were shamed live on-air last year. Even the actress playing the nurse (Jessica Hynes) won a BAFTA in a series she starred in opposite David Tennant (There She Goes).
Irony: David has two Emmys and no BAFTAs.
Do the BAFTA's not rate genre stories? Like sci-fi, fantasy etc.
@@agoodday9247 No, Doctor Who has been honored multiple times, writers, directors, actors. I think it was specific to DT. They had something against him. Possibly to do with his politics. Possibly to do with how ubiquitous he is. I think there was resentment.
Many of the tv shows David starred in won BAFTAs. Many of his costars won BAFTAs. It's really remarkable that they never even nominated him. He's won tons of other awards for virtually every role he has been in since 2004.
_There She Goes_ would be a good show to react too.
@@sallyatticum He has a Welsh BAFTA (BAFTA Cymru) and a Scottish BAFTA but not the regular (for lack of a better word) BAFTA yet.
I'm not crying. _You're_ crying.
One little touch that I love about this episode is that you can tell john smiths feelings for Joan are still in there and that's why the doctor asks here to travel with him. The doctor would never know if he actually liked Joan or if it was johns feelings and Joan would never know if she liked the doctor or if it was just because he looked like john. You can see she was tempted and she had to find a reason to be angry with the doctor to refuse to go with him that's why she asked him if anyone would've died if he never came, great acting.
2 GoT actors in this one. You spotted Jojan Reed, but Baines is also Viserys Targaryen.
I hate we missed the brother of the dragon 😫
@@Syntell It's okay, he's hard to recognize with molted gold poured over him 🤣
@@Syntell He is such a good actor.
We're not yet into peak "Hey, it's him/her from Game of Thrones" territory yet, but it's on its way. Possibly Nina Gold was CD for a while, I'd need to check.
damn I just hoped on youtube to watch something while I eat and the goats are here love these doctor who reactions
Don't forget to chew 😂
FrFr, thank you for the love.
Yeah, this came right on time for my Subway lunch! Subway (thanks, Grubhub!), "Doctor Who" and @Syntell and @Nupefromdaville--perfect!!!
This 2 parter really is just The Doctor saying "alright, bet" to some aliens who got too big for their boots
The Fury of the time lord is something to behold.
Curious if you understand the significance of the red poppy they wear at the end? I've noticed a lot of Americans seem confused by it usually.
There was another comedy series in the 80s and 90s called Blackadder, each series and special was based in a different time period but featured mostly the same actors playing similar roles as it followed their DNA through the ages when it resurfaces. It also meant you could watch the series in any order without having watched the previous one.
The last series though Blackadder goes Forth was set during world war 1 following a Captain on the front lines and his squad concocting schemes to avoid going over the top which was practically a death sentence at the time. The final scene of that series accidentally became one of the greatest scenes in British TV history in its tribute to the fallen of that war. Unfortunately some Americans who see that scene becomes confused why because they don't understand the significance of Poppy's.
I completely missed the red poppy. Thank you for the backstory.
@@Syntell the poppy is used to remember the fallen of the the first war because afterwards when the battlefields began to return to normal red poppy's sprouted everywhere creating fields of red.
@@Syntell Look up the poem 'In Flanders Fields' written by Sir John McCrae. It's a short poem but the first lines alone tell you, "In Flanders Fields, the poppies blow/between the crosses row on row." basically all you need to know about poppies and why they're used a symbol of remembrance for the fallen soldiers. And it's always read during a Remembrance Day (Nov 11th) ceremonies in Canada and the UK, like the one shown right at the end of the episode.
Cause it was a thing long before Blackadder.
Blackadder is worth a watch for anyone who's not seen it. One of the 3 best Brit comedies for this American, right there with Red Dwarf an Father Ted.
We have the red poppy in America too. Often used to see veterans giving them out around Memorial Day or Veterans Day.
17:07 this was so good.
Enjoyed your reaction to this episode. Really looking forward to the next one. It’s one of my favorite episodes of all time.
What do you think of the two parter stolen earth?
Be careful when you're looking for trouble, you just might find it.
The next one is my favorite, too!
@@JacksomLacke That's not even this season.
@@JacksomLacke those are great ones too. Blink is more my favorite if I had to choose.
Love, love Martha Jones.
Same.
The way nurse Redfearn fell for John Smith was beautiful and the “death” was heartbreaking. The interplay between them both was outstanding. The way Tennant flipped from John Smith to the Doctor in the scene in the spaceship was also outstanding, literally like it was 2 completely different people. Now that’s acting. Freema was also fantastic, showing empathy in the face of the racial abuse she received , demonstrating that the character understood that in this time that was acceptable behaviour and an appreciation of the horrors the children would soon face during WWI.
Superb characterisation of John Smith and Nurse Redfearn and a great supporting cast including the great performance of Harry Lloyd as Baines. I’m not afraid to share that even after umpteen times of watching I still cry at that last scene when the Doctor and Martha visit old Timmy at the memorial, hell I even cried watching your reaction to it!
This wasn’t just one of the best episodes of Doctor Who it was one of the finest pieces of television in the UK.
Great reaction guys keep ‘em coming 👍🏻
This two parter was by Paul Cornell, who wrote Father's Day back in Series 1. And nothing for Doctor Who since, weirdly. There are a few writers they should bring back.
Based on his Seventh Doctor novel 'Human Nature'. As good as the two-parter is, I still prefer the novel.
The novel is so much better…actually those new adventure novels delve much more into doctors history and lore…they should be using those to make the stories from…give us Bernice Summerfield (whom I always thought they modeled River Song on)
@@GrumpyOldGit-zk1kw It was pretty good. And a fair bit longer.
@@GrumpyOldGit-zk1kw Yeah the "Aubertides" sounds better than "Family of Blood," but then I'm also biased by having read the book first.
When Baines said, "Etc, etc." He was mocking the 7th Doctor's conversation with a certain someone I can't name yet.
Seventh, isn't it,if you're thinking of unlimited rice pudding?
@@simongiles9749 No Wait you're right I got them mixed up.
Great reactions! You may need someone to screen the comments for you (moderator) because the comment section is becoming more and more spoilerly. Your unspoiled reaction is what I look forward to! Keep it up!
Great words at the end! Ps the show did win many uk awards and david tennant too....
Well that ended abruptly! Super glad you all picked up what the show was laying down, the messaging and the meta conversation about doing the right thing despite cost and also because of the opposite cost of inaction. I really want to see Shogun but I'm trying to watch The Bad Batch, 3 Body Problem, and the final season I missed of Better Call Saul, but it is certainly on me and my wife's list, right beside X-Men 97. This is one of the stories that reminds you of how luck Doctor WHO was to have Tennant as the Doctor. I like the 10th Doctor a lot, and I can tell you do too. I probably like 12 just a smidge more and 11 a tiny fraction less, but there you go. No bad actors have ever played the role. Even the issues that do arise in some episodes/seasons, they are not the fault of the acting.
i am sure the girl trapped in the mirror is a nod the the 70's/80's kids scif/horror show Sapphire and Steel.
WOO-WOO!!! Greatest Saturday afternoon lunchtime entertainment EVER :) It makes up for my Friday withdrawal symptoms :)
Sorry for the delay.
You know with all the Drake/K-dot drama going on there's a lot happening.
@@Syntell YO! *Everybody* is talking about it!!! Even Roland Martin is talking about how he is not talking about it!!! LMAO!!!!
@@IsiahBradley Another thing I have to Google. Sometimes it sucks not doing social media, but then I think the time savings benefit serves me better.
I just want to point out one thing this ep was commenting on. They are literally children being taught how to be a soldier and shoot and it still happens in schools in the UK. Like CCF (combined cadet force) is still a thing. The bit where they retreat, they retreat because they are sheltered 12-16 yr old boys up against technology they have never seen before who cried seeing straw men fall.
Good point. I didn't want to go too hard on Syntell for joking about kids in the hood with machine guns...
For me, it’s hard to imagine that they don’t have it in America as I grew up with it but if you didn’t already know the ending scene was set around remembrance Sunday/Armistice day a real event on the 11th day of the 11th month in the UK where we take two minutes silence (one for each world war) and remember our fallen soldiers. Lest we forget
We have Veteran’s Day (formerly known as Armistice Day) on November 11th and Memorial Day the last Monday in May.
Veterans Day honors all people who have served or are serving in the US military.
Memorial Day honors everyone who has died in military service to the United States
And we (America) have the red poppies too.
We have the BAFTAs and Tennant and DW have each won several. He's won a few awards over hear. And BTW, no we don't have sardines with jam or put them in the kettle! lol
David only has two regional BAFTAs, though. And only one of them was for Doctor Who. He doesn't have any of the main BAFTAs. He has only just been nominated this year for the first time.
Russell T. Davies felt that this two-parter was too dark for the program's audience.
It’s dark but it’s great
I don't mind getting a little dirty with storytelling just as long as it's good.
Lol funny he thought this was dark but not the waters of mars which is absolutely terrifying 🤣💀
22:44 absolutely brilliant summary of the acting and episode
Fantastic reaction ❤One of my favorite episodes of season 2😊
I think Joan Redferns character was severely underrated, not only did she give up love after she never thought she would find it again, we never would've got the doctor back without her
I'm hype for the full reaction on Patreon!
It's out. Have a ball with it. 😊
Don't forget to tell us what you think.
I like when he speaks Scottish and they leave it in the show
Great episode and it's only getting BETTER 😎👍
Yawl in for a good time.. ..
Honest these last two and the next one are why people remember this season.
Don't mess with Ten...
It was understandable but at the same time disappointed Joan turned down the invitation to travel with the Doctor as a companion as i feel they missed a trick having a companion who is not from the modern day and i thought having a nurse companion from pre-World War I would had been a nice experimental thing to see her reaction to alien planets or the modern world of today it would be a huge culture shock for her i know there's Martha but there's no reason why the Doctor couldn't have two companions.
Great perspective.
I was assuming we could possible see her again in the future.
@@Syntell won't spoil you but we see her one more time.
Next episode is one of my favourites
Same. It was partly filmed in my husband’s record store. We watched filming and we met David and Freema.
Hopefully out on Monday 🙌🏾🙌🏾
@@fayesouthall6604 NO WAAAY
@@fayesouthall6604 YOURE THE OWNER OF THE STORE, THATS SICK
Only the opinion of you, me and most of the Milky Way galaxy!!! LOOOONNG wait until Monday!
This was the first time I saw the Doctor being really dark he’s been dark with the daleks and the racnoss but he was dark to defeat them.
The family of Blood had already been defeated but the doctor decided to be dark and ruthless afterwards. He made them live forever in the most miserable and awful places I mean to trap the daughter in the every mirror wow 😮.
Surprised you guys didn’t go into that detail.
Doc got that gangster in him
He got that DAWG in him.
I kind of like knowing it's there.
@Syntell me too. It adds more to the character that his goodness and mercy is something he works for within himself.
The Family was so irredeemably evil. They had to go the hard way. And when the Doctor goes hard, their suffering is endless. Reminds me of how the Second Doctor dealt with Salamander in "Enemy of the World."
@syntell @nupefromdaville P.S. Your ending got cut off. But like the suffering Martha, I don't care! :) GREAT reaction!!!
I do! I want to see the ending!
One of my favorite two-parters. Great job, guys. 🎉
If you haven't yet, watch David Tennant (and other Dr. Who actors) in Broadchurch. It is a dark series but the acting and stories are brilliant. HIGHLY recommend.
Thor stuff?
Yes the Doctor did go to Asgard as well.
Few people realise this, Doctor Who Comics in the 1980s was published by Marvel UK, which placed the Doctor Who Omniverse in Earth 5556 of the Marvel Multiverse.
In the comics the Doctor Teamed up with Earth 616 Fantastic Four to defeat Death's Head.
The Doctor also travelled to other universes in the Multiverse.
The Doctor in comics also teamed up with Captain Picard and his enterprise to save the Borg from the Cybermen
This probably explains why Doctor Who new episodes are on Disney Plus now
The Doctor and Rose make a background cameo in a _Buffy_ comic from Dark Horse too.
@@francisgilbert6982 I think they just made a streaming deal, although I wouldn't discount Tennant's return to Marvel.
@@HuntingViolets thats cool.
Proving that Time Lords are the only Omniversal beings in fiction
@@HuntingViolets We the thing about Disney plus is that they only usually have things on that Disney related. Earth-5556 is still active
Great analysis as always, gentlemen!
Makes you wonder at what point John became The Doctor. Either when the boy opened the watch and the Family were going after him. There was that yellow flash in the window.
Thing that always confused me about this story is how did the Doctor get the god-like powers to do the things he did to The Family of Blood? Could he do that all along? If so, why didn't he do it right from the start and not need to become John Smith at all?
Why hasn't he done this to any of his other foes? Why hasn't he trapped the Daleks in a mirror for all time?
The more nonsensical parts of the plot do not dim the shining performances from the leads and guest cast. Hynes delivery of "on a whim" is devastating.
Agreed. Over the years the Doctor has shown the ability to do a lot of crap that is amazing even for what we know of him.
Maybe he can do these fantastical things but they come with a cost that he isn’t willing to pay so often.
This was such a poignant episode of Dr Who 😢
Blink is next, many consider a classic also. Written by Steven Moffatt its outstanding 😍
Blink should hopefully be out Monday. Fingers crossed.
@@Syntell Looking forward to it 👌
Tickled you know the movie Taps😄
The actor of Baines gave the peformance of his life and sadly never went on to bigger things
He was in the first season of game of thrones playing daenrys's brother.
One of my favourite two parters
6:50 One of my favorite scenes that made me respect Martha even more! 🙏🏽💪
15:24 My man the Doctor! 🙏🏽💪
My fav 2 parter of season 3
Martha is a great companion
By the way, did you two make it out for Free Comic Book Day yesterday? I snagged a Fifteenth Doctor comic.
Just wondering about the comments on Thomas Sangster who played the boy with the Doc's watch 'Tim Latimer'... you kept calling him a "grown-ass man".. he was only 16-17 yo when he played the role and was supposedly at least 16 in the show, as he was in the army the following year or so... Am I missing something? Or were you mistaken?
he still looks much the same today
Ayyy whats up syntell family ❤
What's happening!!!!!
4:32 Exactly! 💪
1:50 Yikes! 😂
The Doctor episode of F%&k around and find out. lol
A masterpiece.
10:34 Exactly! 😂
I don’t understand the comment about the casting for Tim. His IMDB says he was born in 1990, so, he would have been 16 or 17 when this episode came out. Am I missing something here?
Interesting that you haven't spotted Daenerys Targaryen's brother yet 🤣❤
I can't believe we whiffed that. 😫
@Syntell I think the long blond hair makes a big difference.
Interesting how many big/familiar actors appeared in this season before they were famous.
The next episode is my favourite
Was the abrupt ending intentional, or was there an issue with the recording/upload?
I find that I enjoy this two-parter a lot more when I watch other people react to it. Banes's punchable face and the treatment of Martha make it less enjoyable on my own...
Yes. It is hard for Martha, and I've read/seen so many essays about these two episodes from Black viewers that make me feel even more mixed than I was already. Some different viewpoints here, though. I really didn't like the romance in this, and then Ten asking Joan to come (yeah, I'd like a companion from a different time, but still). It was wild that he'd discussed it with Martha ahead of asking (I would have liked to see what that was like -- and yet they hadn't discussed Martha's love declaration till after) and that Martha even offers to try to convince Joan to change her mind. I fee that if she would have come, it would have been more about Joan learning not to be racist and other things, and Martha would have gotten less screen time and care from the show, which I would not have liked.
This episode is heartbreaking.
That cut off kind of suddenly! Was there a bit more?
That was it they go back into tardis
@@jordanbooth3748 The commentary cut off, though.
@@HuntingViolets oh the reaction u mean yeah not sure
@@jordanbooth3748 Yes.
Do these guys know about the minisodes or no?
I swear to God if the Doctor doesn't take Martha to the biggest Icecream Planet in the known galaxy after all the shit he just put her through >__> (Honestly, of all places in TIME to land? Lol)
And knowing that this entire time, he could have just clapped the Family then and there and saved a lot of innocent people the trouble...idk, I love him and all, but sometimes Ten _really_ frustrates me.
20:37 they shall not grow old.
DAVID HI
South Africa? Yes, the Anglo-Zulu war
Remember that watch, 'cause it'll be critically important 9 seasons later.
This is kinda spoilery tbh
@@OfficialSnyd It is very spoilery, but creeps gotta creep...
Martha was probably the nearest to the intellectual level of the Doctor of all the modern companies. It's a pity her time on the tardis was mostly a shit show.
Word of advice for next time: Don't blink.
😊
Hopefully out Monday 🙌🏾🙌🏾
Can't wait for you all to see it.
@@Syntell it was partly filmed in my husband’s Record Store, repurposed as a DVD store for filming. Lucky to meet David and Freema, able to take lots of photos.
@@fayesouthall6604 wow, that is my all time favorite episode of Who
I can already tell y'all are gonna hate the finale for this season. They did martha bad.
I dunno
BS
Can you all stop with the spoilers? Let them hate it or like it on their own.