First Time Watching "Doctor Who" Season 1 Episode 13 Reaction | The Parting of the Ways
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- 🌌 Join Syntell and Rekkai as they embark on a brand-new adventure through time and space with their first-ever viewing of "Doctor Who"! In this video, we react and review the 2005 series reboot, Season 1, Episode 13, titled "The Parting of Ways." THE SEASON FINALE!!!
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As the Dalek fleet begin their attack on the Earth, the Doctor and his allies make one final stand.
Fresh and honest reactions from first-time viewers.
Insightful commentary and analysis of the episode.
Discussion on character dynamics and plot development.
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It's official, WE'RE WHOVIANS NOW!!!!!!!!
We made it ya'll
(Takes Victory Lap)
Behind the scenes, though. You need to research some of the stuff Christopher Eccleston went through during this. One season in, and the BBC took credit for something they refused to be involved with. Only for Chris to quit, then have lies about him printed everywhere. Even refused to be in the 50th anniversary as it all left a bad taste in his mouth. Chris did so much, but was goven so little. David was handed the silver platter, and they kept giving him more.
If you do want to support Eccleston more though. Look for the Ninth Doctors Adventures by Big Finish Productions.
Welcome to the tribe, you fine folks.
Thank you for all your videos, and your thoughtful insight. Looking forward to seeing your reactions for the future series. Stay well, and see you on the patreon….and elsewhere in time and space!
100%. 🎉💙💙
CONGRATS!!! On behalf of no one in particular--me :)--and the Shadow Proclamation, I hereby convey the title of Whovian on Syntell and Rekkai!!!
You've been Whovians since you decided you liked it. Glad you feel official now!
Bad wolf explanation:
The company that ran the game station was called bad wolf. There’s nothing special about that. But rose sending the letters from that moment all the way across time and space came full circle and brought her there in the first place. She couldn’t just write something different, because it was already fixed in time that she saw bad wolf in the past and that’s what helped her get there. Confusing, but welcome to doctor who 💀
Syntell and Rekkai: You will soon hear a phrase that everybody in geekdom uses [USING INITIALS AS TO NOT SPOIL :)]--"WW, TW"--and it comes from "Doctor Who." :) So weeks from now, perhaps by the end of the summer, you will use it to explain "Bad Wolf" to yourself :)
It’s basically the “bootstrap paradox”. The only reason to use the words “Bad Wolf” is that those were the words she had seen that led her to that point. But the only reason they were there to begin with was because she’d put them there in the TARDIS empowered state.
Wibbly wobbly timey wimey
The Doctor's companions are meant to be stand-in's for the audience. As in they ask for and receive the explanations meant for the audience. So your observation of understanding through Rose is exactly how it's meant to be.
“Who’s afraid of the big Bad Wolf…”
And yer boy Mickey came through!
It's a closed time loop. Future rose sends the message to past rose so that she can become future Rose, who then sends the message to past Rose, wash rinse and repeat ad infinitum.
My brain twisted a little bit. But I get what you're saying.
I love how quickly you’ve gone through this series. I sure hope you will hang in there with us. I love your journey and especially your commentary. Sci fi shows are great places to explore the social ills humans deal with without pointing fingers.
Loved this journey. Thank you for coming with us.
Tennant has some very dark roles as a British serial killer and evil suburban Dad. Don’t have to be purple to be scary bad.
He has had a wide spectrum of roles.
He’s a terrific actor. Skinny as hell. I met him whilst he was filming Dr Who.
@@fayesouthall6604in the words of Donna ‘you’re just a long streak of nothing. Alien nothing’
Btw there's a mini episode that takes place before the next episode. It's called Born Again and the whole thing is uploaded on TH-cam. It takes right after the end of this episode and shows the first interactions between Rose and this new Doctor, so I'd def recommend watching / reacting to it before the next episode.
"you never forget your 1st Doctor" (mine is 4th)
You never forget your first 😂🤣
Same. Tom Baker. I'm a scarf wearer to this day! Lol
So was mine.
Mine was 9 (Eccleston) so this rewatch brought me right back to my own Whovian beginnings!
I have watched a lot of Doctor Who reactors. But those are mostly young adults, kids. It is really refreshing to see two grown folks go through this show, add their own wisdom, and have one hell of a good time. Thank you, fellas. You are a treasure.
David Tennant is one of the most versatile actors in the business. I saw him on stage as Richard II and he was mesmerizing. He's amazing.
I love when Brother Rekkai starts dropping wisdom. Always a great conversation
The Bad Wolf message is a bootstrap paradox.
2:16 The Tardis is tougher than it looks. It’s been shown to fall into lava and other crap and keep ticking. I guess the Dalek missiles are made for tearing up a Tardis.
BTW the Tardis is actually an older model that the Doctor found in a museum on his home planet. The Doctor likes a classic.
Not just an older model, an obsolete model. The thing was ancient before the Doctor stole it.
@@Connor-ONeill Well, they retconned it a few times.
David Tennant really transformed the role and I’m super excited to enter season 2 with you guys. 😃
Just remember to watch that Christmas special before season 2!
She knew to say Bad Wolf because Rose has been seeing those words all over the place. So when she became the Bad Wolf, she already knew how to lead herself. It's bootstrap paradox basically. She created herself, guided herself and killed the Daleks while leaving that message.
I’m adding a second comment, but I have been delighted to watch your reactions. I appreciate reactors who actually enjoy the show, but then take it further, and really get into the writing, the acting, the social commentary, etc. Keep up the great work!!
Wow, thank you
We hope to see you for season 2.
@@Syntell you certainly will!!
this is exactly the comment I wanted to leave... great reactions, see you all in Season 2.
I've been waiting for this! Welcome to my absolute favorite Doctor! This is going to be so much fun!
Before watching the Christmas special, I HIGHLY recommend watching “Born Again” with David Tennant first. It’s a mini-sode available on TH-cam, only a few minutes long, and takes place between this episode and the special.
Thank you, gentlemen. And I've made a note of "be teachable", that was so aptly put.
It might've been mentioned by someone else (although I couldn't see it when I skimmed through this video's comments), but although regeneration is such a core concept of the show, and has allowed it to evolve and continue over many decades, it wasn't originally part of the show's premise. Sadly the actor who in the mid-1960s played the very first Doctor (William Hartnell) was suffering from increasing ill health after three years in the role. Someone on the production team had a genius moment and thought of a sci-fi solution to a real-world problem.
When you were talking about Hollywood contracts, Patrick Stewart came to mind. I'm sure I've read that the only reason he agreed to sign on for "Star Trek: The Next Generation", which meant a seven-year contract, was because he didn't expect it to last as long as that. British actors just aren't used to signing up for shows for that length of time. And you've probably already realised that our shows typically have shorter seasons, too.
There were a *lot* of production problems behind the scenes during this season. It's a difficult show to make anyway, but it was an especially steep learning curve for a team learning from scratch, and mistakes were definitely made. Christopher Eccleston has only started to give an explanation in public in the last few years, and while he's avoided going in to full detail he's been clear that he felt certain things (especially in the first production block, i.e. episodes 1, 4, and 5) had reached an unprofessional level. He didn't feel his concerns were addressed by the producers, and their working relationship never recovered. There have been rumours of minor cast members being mistreated by a director, and even rumours of safety concerns, but I don't think anyone has ever come out in public to state clearly what happened. Apparently a huge number of reshooting proved necessary, requiring lots of overtime that caused an overspend. To add insult to injury, the BBC then screwed up how Eccleston's leaving was handled, and they made up a completely false quote on his behalf that he ended up threatening legal action over.
Of course nobody knew while they were making Series 1 how successful it would be. In the end everyone's wildest dreams were exceeded, with the show becoming a flagship drama for the BBC. But because they didn't know if there'd be a second season I feel this season has a special flavour to it. Despite all the problems I think most of the people involved in making it must've felt something like "if there's only this season, let's make it the best we can". As it was, the BBC quickly offered the production team a renewal of two further seasons plus two Christmas Day specials. I think it's different in the US, but in the UK a mid-evening TV slot on Christmas Day attracts a large viewership, so the BBC clearly had confidence in their new show, even if they were nervous whether the audience would stick around for this up and coming actor called David Tennant...
Sorry for the long comment, but especially after Syntell mentioned in the previous video about having worked in the industry, I'm hoping at least some of this is of interest. 😀
In FIREFLY the Serenity wasn't a living ship, it's Captain loved it as if it was alive but, it was just machinery.
FARSCAPE which came out just before FIREFLY took place aboard a living ship, MOYA. I am guessing that is the show you are thinking about.
btw - FIREFLY and FARSCAPE are both great and worth watching.
I think maybe they were thinking of the episode of Firefly when the bounty hunter comes on board to capture River. At one point, River tries to convince him that she's disappeared and become one with the ship, that Serenity is talking to him, but it's actually just River talking over the comms from his ship.
Thank you guys! I've been watching this show for several decades but I've never had anyone to share it with who loved and understood it as much as I do. So these moments are very special for me. You'll never know how grateful I really am. You are brilliant and I am looking forward to continue on this journey with you. Thank you again, very much. ❤
Big salute and thank-you to Mr Christopher Eccleston for making NuWho the success it was. Always big love for Nine. I started really watching Who thanks to him even tho I knew the Classic show from 80's afternoon re-runs but I thought it was a bit rubbish as a kid. I saw NuWho in nightly re-runs in about 2009 and actually stopped watching for a week after this episode. This new pretty boy wasn't my Doctor. I ended up loving DT
P.S. I'm an oldtime Whovian (I remember watching the brand-new, 20th-anniversary show, "The Five Doctors," in 1983!) and this was the first episode of "NuWho" I watched. Because I didn't have cable I watched it back then on this new, oft-copyright-violating thing called TH-cam :)
then you (like me) was stopped and couldn't do anything during the ending credits of EarthShock
@@AddSerious Yeah, you better believe it :(
Neat fact many dont notice.... they never left earth this entire season. Traveled through time, but not space.
It's been a while since I've watched it, but in episode 2, I believe they were either on another planet or some kind of space station when they saw the future Earth explode from a distance
@@kcincy They were hovering above Earth, hence the view of it ending. Satellite 5 from the 3 other episodes also hover above it. RTD specifically didn't leave the planet in his first season.
OK, got it!@@nny2dope
I never noticed this haha
Yes! You made it!! Welcome to the fan club! Glad to have you.
This episode, this show, is all about what Rose said, about not being a bystander, but doing your part to take part and that's an even more powerful message today. All it takes for evil to prosper, is for good people to do nothing. The wolf is at the door, and too many people sit back and invite the crazy into their lives, they adopt wild theories and believe what powerful people want them to swallow, simply because it is easy and convenient to switch off and tune out and accept you have no impact. But you do. Every day everybody can make small differences. At the very least we can learn to sniff out BS and call it, not fall prey to it. Shake others out of the cult mentality. The cults of personality. Doctor WHO has always been my favorite show, from when I grew up in the 80s to now, because it keeps on being progressive and positive. The Doctor was my hero as a child because he could walk into any situation, see the right and the wrong, and make things better without guns or blowing stuff up (all the time, I mean, yeah, sometimes he does blow stuff up, 😅).
Again, really glad you both are insightful and thoughtful and picking up what the show is layin down. It is refreshing. Too many reactor channels just watch but don't go deep to think about and question what they saw, and it is fun seeing you puzzle it out. That said, re-watch the moment when Rose takes the words and throws them across time. it could have been any words, but Bad Wolf evokes a sense of menace and knowing herself, she knew it was kind of the thing she would notice. Also it is a chicken and egg type thing too. She knows the words she's supposed to throw, because she's already read them! Reminds me of a Doctor WHO book I read where the 7th Doctor brings the Isley Brothers to a 2010 wedding to play and they accidentally hear Summer Breeze before they wrote it. So now did they really write it? Or did Time? Dun Dun Dunnn 😂
Oh and one final thought, you cracked me up with the whole "Hard head makes soft @z" cause that's something my best friend Treena says all the time!
Excellent observation, sir. Rose was changed by The Doctor, and The Doctor changes everyone he comes in contact with. Including us, the viewer. Welcome, fellow Whovians! Stand proud. Wait til you see the first T.A.R.D.I.S
car decal or bumper sticker, my dudes! Lol We are few, but all are your brothers and sisters!
You’re an “official” Whovian once you get your 1st regeneration under your belt and when the new guy comes along you pine for the old guy but a few episodes later you’ve forgotten all about the old guy😂. True story.
Great chat, guys.
Bad Wolf is a bootstrap paradox - in as much as its origin is in Rose’s embodiment of the time vortex. It allowed her to scatter breadcrumbs across time and space, so she could return to this point. All the Bad Wolf clues were intended for Rose to become tuned in to the trail, so that at the opportune moment, when she and Micky saw the writing on the ground, the circle was closed, and her destiny was revealed.
Its deep - as Rose brandished the ultimate power so justly, she established too that The Tardis, for the first time - was sentient and had a sense of its own purpose, as a force for good. The scene where she reduced the Dalek fascists to dust provided a fitting ending to the arc.
Fun fact: The Doctor and the Whoniverse exist in Marvel canon.
Marvel used to publish comic stories for Doctor Who, they’ve even drawn a doctor into some panels like in an X-Men comic and the TARDIS across comics. That’s why it’s cool whenever someone compares Bad Wolf to Phoenix.
The "new teeth!" comment works in establishing this is the same character with the same memories. However, for those of us who had grown up with and followed the Doctor through the Classic era from 1963, it was a little jarring; remember that Eccleston was the ninth version so this regeneration was the ninth time he had experienced the physical effects of the process so it shouldn't be a surprise.
Another great performance from Billie Piper.
18:55 It is confusing. Long story short, "Bad Wolf" is supposed to be Rose, leaving herself a message to motivate herself to get the power of the Time Vortex to rescue the Doctor. Its time travel shenanigans, so I understand. Hope this makes sense 😂💪
27:28 Oh yeah, he was excellent as Kilgrave! 💪
Had an unexpected 12 hour shift at work today, and the only thing about it that bummed me out was the idea that I would have to wait a few hours more before I could watch this episode, I was looking forward to your reaction that much. And I was not disappointed, this was another fantastic reaction! Love your discussions and insights as always. What Rekkai noticed about the Doctor being us and Rose being the ideal version of us (meaning humanity) 🤯 such a profound observation, I hadn't thought of it like that before!
Regarding Syntell's question about Bad Wolf: I actually interpreted your question to mean "why Bad Wolf?" And the in-universe explanation has been provided by other commenters, how that was the name of the station, therefore those were the words Rose used to guide herself there. But I think there has to be a behind-the-scenes literary meaning behind it, right? These are two words that are scattered like breadcrumbs throughout the season, not just for Rose but for us the viewers. So, why Bad Wolf? I don't actually have an answer, but here are my thoughts as possible explanations.
So "Bad Wolf", for me, conjures up the idea of a fairy tale, like a children's story. The two in particular I think of are Red Riding Hood and The Three Little Pigs. In RRH, the Big Bad Wolf disguises himself as Red's grannie in order to trick the girl and eat her. In TLP, the Big Bad Wolf huffs and puffs until he blows their houses down. In both stories, the wolf is the antagonist. Why would Rose, therefore, have a moniker that associates with villains? Maybe because the Bad Wolf is the antagonist from the view of the Daleks? A warning to them that the Bad Wolf is coming for them. They may think Rose is just a normal human, but underneath, she is the one who will bring about their destruction, lulling their suspicions by appearing like a harmless human, until the moment when she strikes. She is the Bad Wolf who huffs and puffs and blows their entire fleet into dust. Yes, Bad Wolf is the message that leads Rose to that place and point in time, but it's also a threat, a promise, to the Daleks across time and space that something is coming for them, teeth bared.
Anyway, that's my theory (and also that it was a way to throw viewers off course, associating the phrase with a fairy tale antagonist so that they would be surprised that it meant Rose upon the reveal). Dunno if it's right (or logical - I am somewhat tired as of this writing!), but hopefully it make sense!
20:06 David Tennant made the ladies and some of the gentlemen of Who Fandom go swoon.
Game recognizes game 🤣😂
@@SyntellMy wife, an old coworker and a close female friend refuse to this day to watch his final episode as the Doctor. When I ask they all say “I don’t know…I’m just not ready yet”.
They still watch all of the new episodes. They just don’t want to watch that farewell episode.
I love your reactions! Feels like I am reliving my childhood watching Doctor Who every Saturday evening with the family. :D
I'm not sure if you already know this, and it is possible you guys have already taped the next episode: but if it's "no" to both of those, there is a so-called "minisode", between this episode and the Christmas Special, called "Born Again", which can be found right here on TH-cam.
There are more minisodes, especially in later seasons, and they're not all necessary to watch, but I would most definitely recommend watching, and reacting to, Born Again. It makes the transition between the Ninth Doctor and the Tenth Doctor, and the exploration of Regeneration (both in terms of plot as in terms of Character), a lot better and a lot more seamless than if one jumps straight into _The Christmas Invasion_ from _The Parting of the Ways_ .
Yup, we're doing the Christmas special too
@@Syntell Well, hopefully that would be a given.
But I just wanted to alert you to the existence of the "Born Again" minisode, and how it has a lot more viewing value than you might think from the "mini" moniker.
please do the minisode too. @@Syntell
@@Syntell It's all a part of the serialized flow of things, so Specials and (some) Minisodes are always actually just *the next thing that happens in the story.* You can stand to miss a minisode here or there, but at least early on they tend to be actual useful viewing.
Without watching 'Born Again' you miss the moments directly following the end of this episode. 'Christmas Invasion' follows on from just after, so it works with less context but... yeah. It's all part of the show. :P
Probably the most interesting discussion of this season that I listened to since it came out. 👍
I'm absolutely loving your reactions. Can't wait for what's to come. Great dynamic between the two of you, turned on those notifs to keep updated with the Doctor Who
The Bad Wolf thing is a type of bootstrap paradox. If you go back in time to kill your grandfather, then you’d never have existed, thus no one goes back to kill your grandfather, thus you would be born. It’s a loop, with no real beginning or end. The TARDIS exists outside of time though, and so can then create Bad Wolf as herself. It’s best not to think about it too hard, LOL.
The best part of Doctor Who, which there are many, is the conversations it sparks. Maybe you learn to view a topic in a different way, or whatever. But the best thing is to keep your heart and mind open, and always let yourself grow.
That's what I keep saying. The Bad Wolf doesn't mean the "End of the Universe." It means to look out for those who are going to cause it. The TARDIS needed Rose as much as Rose needed the TARDIS to help her.
To look at things from the TARDIS' perspective is tragic, but quite telling as to how equally war-torn she is. She IS The Doctor's Wife.
Bad wolf was the satellite name taken by the tardis and sent through time In order that rose knew what to do to get back and join with the tardis....
Thanks for putting these out so fast. You guys are great at reacting.
Just excellent. I honestly think that RTD would find your critique of this ep and your overview of the series to be fascinating and gratifying. You are both fully tuned in to Who! The great thing about Doctor Who is that each adventure can be viewed simply as great viewing and fun entertainment, but some episodes transcend that and offer significant depth for those viewers who care to ponder on it. Adventures and deep thoughts await!
That’s an interesting point you made that I’ve never thought of, actually. We don’t know to what extent this was Rose and to what extent this was the Tardis speaking and acting after Rose looks into the heart of the Tardis.
This first season was an excellent ride with you both, watching you becoming real Whovians, a title worn with pride. You did it guys.
Looking forward to the next season, as you'll see the enchanting David Tennant taking this roll of his dreams (the sole reason why he wanted to become an actor - since he was a little kid - was in the first place because of Doctor Who, always hoping he could play The Doctor and here we are) and making this role is 'own', just brilliantly.
19:48 My man David Tentant! 🙏🏽💪
Doctor who is filmed in Bad Wolf studios in Cardiff... Not a spoiler, but nice to know. 🙂
Bad Wolf studios is named after the Bad Wolf arc from this season. (I think this season was filmed in a studio with the unlikely name "Upper Boat".)
But maybe in future, there will be a TV network in a space station in the year 100,000 named after an old studio in Cardiff called Bad Wolf ;-)
23:35 yeas it's not a new concept, but also Doctor who is fimed since 1963 so tardis was way before other ships with consciousness, but also idk actually if it was alluded in the classic Doctor who that Tardis has character of her own amd acts as she wishes.
yes she's always been alive!
Yep. We've known the TARDIS is alive since the third ever story, The Edge of Destruction.
I am only a few minutes into the video and as a big whovian I totally agree; Doctor Who is like a box of chocolates 😂😂😂
I really like that interpretation of Bad Wolf! The fingers on the body of consciousness. You guys bring different views on episodes I’ve seen so many times!
That and Rose’s father; as someone without kids I would’ve NEVER considered him seeing her all grown up could’ve been a comfort to him in the decision he made. I cannot wait to see what other perspectives you bring, it’s helping with my personal project on the series. 😊
The Tardis is the most consistent character 😂
My project is looking into the ethics of The Doctor himself and how it maybe mirrors the ethics of the time of writing. You just blew my mind with the “the doctor is the reality of us and the companions are the idea we have of ourselves.” 🤯
Best of luck with your project. That sounds like a lot of fun. I happy that we can help. And thank you for watching with us.
Serenity from Firefly wasn't a living ship, you might be thinking of Moya from Farscape ("this ship, this living ship")
The thing about the Bad Wolf entity is that it's a complex causal event. It's Rose's psyche filtered through the time vortex, extending through all of space and time, arranging events to ensure that it will come into existence. It's a living, thinking causality loop.
It does crop up on a few other occasions because in this state it can see back into the past and forward into the future.
Cannot wait for your reactions to the 10th doctor's era!!! David Tennant is brilliant 😁
21:09 prefect response for the 9th Doctor’s season.
Enjoyed your reaction to the first season. Looking forward to se2.
I think Bad Wolf is a separate entity. The convergence of Rose and the Heart of the TARDIS. She “creates herself” and leaves messages across time and space for herself. It’s almost a bootstrap paradox.
Actually, my dear Sir Rekkai, the show with the living ship was Farscape, not Firefly. Farscape is still one of the best SCI-FI shows out there and it inspired a couple of other things, including Firefly itself, Guardians of the Galaxy and the format of more recent shows like, Legends of Tomorrow
Wow, we have a Farscape fan. You're as old as us.
What's up OG!!!
@@Syntell 😂 you know it! The genuine article.
Doctor who does a xmas special between seasons and this upcoming one in particular would be confusing to miss since it’s Tennent’s first real episode.
So DON’T start with season 2 ep 1 - look up “the Christmas invasion”
Can’t wait to get back in the TARDIS with y’all!
YAY!!!! CONGRATS!!! You've seen a regeneration so now you are Whovians!!!! (Decreed by no one in particular--me!--and perhaps the Shadow Proclamation :)). So now you have an important thing to decide between the two of you: should your next video be "The Christmas Invasion" OR the "Children In Need" (British telethon) extra in which Ten and Rose have their first talk? th-cam.com/video/ltPTWJYkUcU/w-d-xo.html I'll let the Commentors guide you from here!! CONGRATS again and looking forward to you rollin' with Tennant!!!!
(Holds up championship belt)
We did it!!!!!
Can't wait to start season 2
@@Syntell Yes--after you do Ten's full first appearance, "The Christmas Invasion!" OR the start with the "Children In Need" I linked to above, where Tennant has his first conversation with Rose. You will *not* see that scene in "Invasion" because "Doctor Who" has had a long tradition of doing something special for that telethon. So it's up to you and Rekkai......
As much as I adore Ecclestons Doctor (my favourite Doctor by the way) and regardless of the relationship he had with RTD… he ended up on a high note saying goodbye to Rose. He left off in a good time showing off how the regeneration process works to newcomers. David Tenant does an amazing performance of the Doctor. He’s a bit of a show off to me in my opinion but he does a great job of it.(even I could andmit) In my opinion bringing back Eccleston would ruin his last goodbye moment. But he will always be one of my favourites portraying the Doctor. Even if I hadn’t seen the rest of the classics
The Doctor is a show-off.
'Ello Gov'ners! Welcome to the world of Doctor Who, great reactions so far. Season 1 is just a warm up for the main event.
I think DiamondMynd was right when he said, “I can’t even imagine what being left with that kind of choice would mean,” when the Doctor had to decide to use the Delta Wave that would kill two species - namely humans and the Daleks. Remember what the Doctor said to the lone Dalek in Van Statten’s vault when he said about his involvement in the demise of both the Time Lords and the Daleks in the Time War? “I was there! I saw it happen! I made it happen!” No spoilers, but this gets brought up again in a certain story in a future season, and once you see it, you will look back to this episode and understand why the Doctor didn’t go through with using the Delta Wave!
The 'Bad Wolf' thing is a bootstrap Paradox. It has no origin point and no end. It created itself. Even the name has no meaning beyond the Bad Wolf and there is no reason behind the name because logical chronological meaning doesn't exist in a bootstrap Paradox.
Christopher Eccleston, gone too soon. He left early because he fell out with the production team, though what their beef was exactly has never been made clear. Whatever it was, it doesn't look like he's forgiven them, he's never returned to the show and its been 19 years
Is that what went down.
WOW.
He has returned to the role in audio dramas though. Hasn't missed a step either
Yeah. He only wanted to sign off on a series (season) at a time, but the renegotiation went very badly.
He crushed it and was definitely gone, too soon. Every Doctor in this new Era is absolutely excellent, and David Tennant does not disappoint! He's magnificent. Top 3 Doctors if all time imo.
@@SyntellHe would come back if Julie Gardner, Russell T Davies and one other producer were sacked. Quite a few Comic Con interviews of his.
@@solitarymaninblack So basically never. It's a shame especially when we get to a certain anniversary special that things didn't work out.
Do yourselves a favor. Alexa. Play the music of Murray Gold. and appreciate the fantastic music to this mind blowing TV series.
Regeneration: Same person, different seed
It is pretty startling when the Doctor changes for the first (for you) time.
ok guys they never let the first dalek they met go ... the first one they meed did a little suicide and imploded he didnt escape he killed himself in front of our eyes
I really liked bad wolf for Rose. There's a strange horror that the Doctor committed genocide to end the time war. For Rose it's not even a question and in a way it's justice. Since Rose is human and generally doesn't have the powers of the time lords or the daleks, in a sense when she commits genocide it's actually self-defense for humanity. It is just but it's bad because genocide is always bad.
That said the bad wolf reference comes up in later seasons and I think it ultimately makes sense.
I kinda also think about how wolves live in packs and what would be a bad wolf? Rose puts the Doctor ahead of her mom and Mickey (her pack) to venture out... There's a selfishness in that.
I also like to think about the TARDIS because I think it has opinions of its own. It saved that slavine lady. It agreed they needed to help the Doctor. I feel like the TARDIS is often this character who we don't know but who cares and responds to appeals. The TARDIS is good and it wants to help. It is more powerful than just about all beings in existence but it never tries to use that power to dominate others. It is able to understand so many perspectives.
Anyway I think Rose had to leave herself a lot of messages to get herself to go back for the Doctor. She had to make a huge chalk representation to get herself to actually notice. So she scatters the words everywhere just to get her own attention lol.
Anyway I love your deep takes on everything it's great. You really delve into the meaning of everything and you are both wise, wiser than me.
PS I'm not an old dr who fan... The season you are watching was my first real exposure to this show though I saw a couple episodes as a kid on PBS when the TV reception worked and that probably started my interest. The older shows are hard for me though because my modern attention span is short.
Thank you for this wonderful comment.
I never considered the Wolf Pack theory. That's pretty cool.
So sad to see Eccleston go. Powered-up Rose was cool. Some other Tennant series you may want to check out at some point: _There She Goes, Good Omens, Inside Man, Single Father._
The "bad wolf" was the name of the game show btw
Bad Woolf is Rose. Throughout time and space she has left that message and it will return throughout the next 4 seasons.
I haven't noticed anything wrong with Christopher Eccleston's mouth; I think it's just a different experience if you have one mouth and suddenly you feel a different set of teeth. Same man (but at a different life stage, which also makes him a different man in a sense) in a new package.
Let's go! Now you're in era of my favorite Doctor. David Tenant!!!
Seasons 2 - 4 of NuWho are my favourite, so cant wait to see if you keep theses going all the way to Season 14 (after The Church on Ruby Road) that you already did.
Welcome aboard to the Whovian Universe 🎉 It’s going to be one hell of a ride 😊 -The Prophetess Nastacia
Great Dark Phoenix reference! :)
Love you guys. Always a pleasure.
If you enjoy Dr who you're already whovians. Welcome to the family. In the far future we get an episode called drs wife. The TARDIS gets personified. She damn cute
This is where the fun begins
You became Whovians the second you got addicted to it. :D
I will be here for every season… every special … every episode. I love people .. especially people of color fall into the world of Doctor who.
FUN fact. The theme song sounds like the Rick and Morty theme song
Now I can't unhear Rick and Morty!!
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Thank you sooo much for hanging out with us and contributing to the conversation. It really means a lot to us.
Looking forward to season 2, oh and the Christmas Special.
@@SyntellBut first - Born Again (available on YT) - then The Christmas Invasion (the special).
Welcome to your first regeneration and yep just like that :), when a Time Lord's old body wears out, dies or gets fatally injured beyond repair they regenerate and becomes new, we've had 8 different Doctors previously so Eccleston was the Ninth incarnation and David Tennant is the Tenth incarnation of the Doctor, the idea of regeneration originated in 1966 when the First Doctor actor William Hartnell was too ill to continue the role.
As for the Bad Wolf stuff to explain it's an entity that Rose Tyler briefly became after staring into the heart of the Doctor's TARDIS and directly into the Time Vortex, the Bad Wolf scattered her name throughout time as a sign to herself that she was linked to the Ninth Doctor, creating a looped ontological paradox after surrendering her powers as the Bad Wolf, all Rose could remember was "singing" in her head, Indeed, by one account, musicians were able to call down the power of the Bad Wolf across time by playing that ethereal piece of music.
This is also the Emperor Daleks second appearance or reintroduction if you will since 1967.
It was ashame Lynda was killed off it's controversial I know but I personally would had preferred her to Rose as the ideal companion.
Anyway I'm glad you guys are enjoying the journey and I look forward to watching your reaction for the 28th season with the new Doctor.
I love this journey! Eccleston is my favorite of the New Who Doctors -- Tom Baker was my (and I think you'll find most people's) favorite of all time. But our next Doctor, David Tennant, is definitely one of the best ever! (I'm one of those weirdos who love them all, even the ones some people aren't thrilled with.) I'm excited for you to meet another companion very soon, one of the all time best. ❤And that's all I'll say about that! See you with the Christmas Special!
It's Series 1. Season One was in 1963.
Slight correction the ship from firefly “serenity”, is not a sentient ship
I think he was thinking of the ship in Far Scape.
@@timelore25 yea that would make sense
isn't there an episode of Firefly when the ship appears to be sentient but it turns out to be something else? (don't want to spoil a great episode)
@@OldManFerdiad not that I can remember
@@SardonicVida episode 14 "Objects In Space", won't give the plot away in case it ends up as a reaction sometime
It always makes me a little sad to see how Rose speaks to Mickey in this episode (around the 11:25 mark). As we learned in the Father's Day episode, he wasn't just her boyfriend - they've known each other for her entire lifetime. Eccleston was my second favorite of the new era! Glad you're loving the series
I never got the Bad Wolf either. Feels like it needs a little more explanation.
Great breakdown at the end; inspiring. Yes this was my favourite doctor but Tenants series' were fascinating and perhaps the best?
I think your idea is great that Bad Wolf is like Phoenix/Dark Phoenix (the Phoenix Force retcon, not the original): Rose and the immense power of the time vortex that the TARDIS uses merge and "she creates herself" as Bad Wolf.
It's a paradox, she's seen these words 'bad wolf' following her on her travels and then scatters the words across time for herself to see as a message that she can get back to the Bad Wolf space station. I think it's supposed to be a bit of a mind-bender.
I've always wondered if she changed the name of the station from Satellite 5 to Bad Wolf as part of that message or she chose the message Bad Wolf because that was the name of the space station? Mind bender.
My opinion is that they've kept it a bit vague what 'Bad Wolf' is and how much of it is Rose and how much is something powerful universal force, because the Bad Wolf destroys the entire remaining dalek race and thus commits genocide (much like Dark Phoenix did with the D'bari... that's why the Phoenix Force was created as a retcon, otherwise Jean Grey committed genocide).
FANTASTIC!
In doctor who pay attention to everything and any lil recurring reference 🎉most times means something epic is on the way
Are you afraid of the big bad wolf? The seeds are sown that is doctor who that it’s threads in & out on its self, back & forth through Time And Relative Dimension In Space.
You definitely must watch Torchwood. It's so good and quite dark
Yeah, the difference is that James Bond doesn't get regenerated; he gets rebooted. :)
The doctor went in for the kiss with Linda because he knows she is going to die. He wanted to make her happy no matter how briefly
Talking about the regeneration, you maybe need to consider and go back and look at the first one in 1966. It is the same Being, but each iteration grows, much like we do
Hey, I am a lot different to the little kid that watched the first Episode in 1963, but I am the same person and still love Dr Who as I did then
I'd rather see them do Classic Who in order because if you start a story off with an out-going Doctor you don't have that emotional connection to that Doctor I'd rather they do all of New Who first then go to Classic Who
Love the " hullo govna" done in an American accent. 😅😅😅
Welcome to the Paradox universe, Of Doctor Who, now that is correct you do not meant to know all of it but keep that work in your mind. Also I do not if you already record the christmas special but there is a minisode on youtube called Born Again, that shows what happened before the Christmas Invasion started. ❤❤
19:38 To me, this is still one of the best lines in the Doctor Who series! 🙏🏽💪
Loved Christopher Eccleston. But David Tennant is the Doctor of my heart and I hope you guys appreciate him as much as I do.