Is This The End Of Pokemon Unite? spragels reacts
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I think the biggest problem is that the game is frustrating to play. Players are not great and have no incentive to play better, participate as a teammate, or even play through entire matches. Players constantly go AFK just to get a “Confirming” message. People last-pick greninja in draft, then do 20,000 damage and spam thanks; but they are in Masters every season. Players backcap, get KO'd, and we lose Rayquaza, then they get MVP because they scored 100 points. I want to have fun, flex into what my team needs, and improve my own macro and micro play, but it’s frustrating to try and do so. (Anyone ever pick a tank or supporter just to find out that their center Cinderace has no idea what they are doing?)
New content and Pokemon can combat these feelings, but they don't completely counteract them. If the gameplay loop is consistently fun, then players will come back. Content releases are necessary to keep players in the ecosystem, but if the underlying experience is bad, then it's just a toxic/addictive behavior.
I learned real early on that Masters isn't about skill, at all. It's about how much you're willing to grind matches.
To me I agree. I hate the game but I absolutely love it and play it every week.
i gave up around like the launch of mimkyu because it's just not worth trying to flex for kids that have no concept of teamwork or actual team synergy. I just play casually and do not care about grinding the passes or anything anymore unless i see a mon that i really like. I agree with your statement 100%
The problem is that masters is wayyyyyy too easy to grind to, to the point where every type of player possible can play with each other without much separation.
Over time it's gotten easier and easier to get to masters which only amplifies the problem
no incentive to play better. thats it
My issue with the game is it doesn't reward you for your playtime. It takes a awhile to earn a license for free, there isn't a lot holowear to the game to earn, and there is no new maps or significant balance changes.
I got a measly 2 year consecutive monthly log in sticker for my profile. Haha
Not enough fresh content alright
Honestly it is funny to see how the game rewards you for being inconsistent
@@anshpaul7087Yeah, it rewards the prodigal son a lot more than the long-term players.
yass please listen to this one dev
There's just no reason to open the game as a dedicated player.
- I hit Masters basically every season. Cool.
- I have basically every pokemon license. Cool.
- I have every emblem (mostly golds). Cool.
- I have a legendary holowear for most of my Pokemon. Cool.
- I have a million tickets and coins but they don't mean anything. Cool.
- I have every held item level 30. Cool.
- I've played the same map every season. Cool.
- We're in Season 582364 and nothing differentiates them. Cool.
Like, what is there? Idk. I've loved this game, but seems like they're putting all their eggs in one basket and the game is in maintenance mode.
Just like lol
No @@ToMaSsS10. LoL is a lot different. There's better gamemodes, more dynamic champion pool, communication, and actually good players.
@@ToMaSsS10 I mean lol is trying a lot of different things this season but yeah, I get what you mean. I hope Pokemom Unite will improve because it is so so fun
This, like time 1000
Most games don't cater to veterans (aka Day 1 players) so it sucks to hit master, get sticker and feel like I have to wait 35 days again to feel like I'm playing for something as a non pro
Add more incentives PLEASE
more like they’re putting one egg in one basket
The hollowears are expensive as hell, bot battles on ranked basically make players fail upwards, the game is extremely unbalanced, the game has too much CC, troll players don't get punished and matches are basically decided by whatever team takes Rayquaza. Zapdos was always a problem and they basically made It worse. Not to mention no new map in basically 2 years and every new Pokémon is released broken. It's a 3 year old game and none of these issues have been solved. It's a hopeless games at this point.
Its like playing a coin toss game. They should release a rank mode that is win and lose based on KOs rather than score, it would be fun.
@Jayveersinh_Raj That makes supporters and defenders almost entirely useless.
The game is not that unbalanced.
@@MusicComettrue lol
True the problems are obvious and I’ve been playing for 7 months
I watch content and stopped playing. So many new players came and went during the Mewtwo metas. I was hardcore playing daily but Zacian and Mewtwo back to back was overkill. Lastly, draft shouldn't have been behind the highest level in ranked.
Fun facts:
1. Ranked used to give better rewards including outfits for Pokemon
2. The first anniversary handed out 5 free licenses each with a unique costume (the second gave us 2 which were clones both mewtwo)
3. The develops have routinely put out surveys asking if we want matchmaking adjusted, they have made it go downhill overtime
Js released better stuff and let pros work on the game
Draft isn't as good as it sounds even in masters. The only good thing about it is that 1-2 really annoying Pokémon plus ex are banned. Teammates and Pokémon pick wise it's the same as before. There is a huge downside now that if you pick first the opponents can hard counter you ( if you pick a speedster they can avoid using Pokémon weak to speedsters).
The most frustrating thing about the game is still rayquaza. Solo carrying a game for 8 min just to have your teammates decide they don't want to win after all is way too frustrating and time wasting because the game added an almost guarantee win option that your teammates don't want for whatever reason
@@solarium4884 I can see that, that's why I've always wanted ranked to have a stricter requirement to get in. IMO the games better off without the endgame middle objective Zapdos or Rayq.
Me and my group that have been playing with stopped playing after the Mewtwos’ release. It sucks to have stopped playing especially since we’ve spent so much time, around release, and some money on a game that we enjoyed playing.
I miss having extra little holowear for ranked rewards. I personally don't play to Master because I'm not gonna stress myself too much for a trainer card sticker, background and frame, but enjoyed the outfit and holowear from veteran then ultra.
Mewtwo was cool on paper, but was a miserable meta. And also kinda odd how it compares to the previous anniversary giving free (even if old) licenses and holowear and a little bunch at that as well as, not exactly being anything really out there we say many times before of new Pokemon drop with an event before shop addition.
MY FAVORITE PART:
They have voice chat but god forbid you use you to suggest ideas or better ways to pay you get MIC BANNED. They might as well take away voice chat.
If someone AFK’s or FEEDS or clearly does nothing to help to get the confirming message.
All I did was try to suggest players to do objectives or please join team fights. WORST CASE I may get a tad salty and say like please stop hiding in the bush and defend the goals.
This is one of the worst MOBA’s and more based around children and not wanting them to learn or get their feelings hurt.
I never use the mic, but I did one time to say something like, "so and so, please help the top lane", because they thought it was a good idea to go into the center with our center player. And I ended up with some kind of warning. Like what?? I was so confused.
Edit to add: I still am, tbh.
They definitely need to have manual review for voice chat unless it's a consistent large amount of reports but that's never going to happen. Having voice chat an actual possibility would definitely help a lot since even someone bad calling shots is a lot better than nothing.
i got myself ban one time playing in console for malicios language or something like that, my microphone was turned off
It's "died" multiple times at this point. Also to add on to the setting up a long time in draft, when we go through all of that setup and someone is afk in the start and we have to vote immediately to quit the game
This! The match is 10 min and so having to go through about 4 min of draft just to have an afk on your team.
True, I hate this so much, 4 mins wasted for a disconnected player, maybe their game crashed, but why do we waste time for that
@@Jayveersinh_Raj happens in every moba game i would rather play 3 games with good matchmaking than playing 10 games with negative win rate players
@@Jayveersinh_Rajyeah mostly the players that is on potato device it really crashes the game, i know because it happened on my 2Gb ram phone lol
i was saying from the beginning that draft hurts the game more than it will help, but i got hated a lot :D
Draft is definitely something THIS playerbase wasn’t ready for. There’s no decent team building guide in the game and nobody is punished for doing anything wrong. And it does really take too damn long to get into a game. For whatever reason the main menu screen has been taking longer than ever (genuinely sometimes 3-5 minutes after I click Start) to even get into the Home Screen and by that point I don’t want to sit through a 3 minute draft just to play the 10 minute game. Plus with half of my games someone neglects a ban so it’s like, great we don’t even get THAT.
Oh no you do get in trouble for using voice chat and suggesting people do objectives instead of fighting a random MON. I have had many games when teammates will ignoring objectives and when I suggest it they get mad and I get reported and can’t use Mic anymore. It’s why I almost don’t play anymore. It’s like as long as you do anything but use MIC your fine. DON’T TRY USING MIC TO TEACH ANYONE ANYTHING.
Yep and if you check unite api tyranitar is the most banned pokemon by a considerable margin even though, I think at least, tyranitar is the easiest pokemon to play around/counterpick. The player base has no sense of improving if tyranitar is getting banned every game.
@@Jerome7-v5u I see what you’re saying but that only go work with a five stack or third stack when you actually work together.
At solo is almost impossible try stop good tyranitar even that your team is rather do their own thing instead of working together.
@@Ok-mm2hq nah with all due respect you just suck
@@Ok-mm2hq Nah with all due respect you lack fundamentals, avoiding ttar is the same as avoiding buzzwole. Now the nerfs to some attackers obviously made the threshold to ko ttar larger but ttar isn’t something that takes that much skill to counter.
The last patch Giga-buffing Tyranitar makes me so sad. My husband is has been a Tyranitar main for the better half of the year even though he was such a dodgy pick, and when we found out he got buffed we were so excited, but it was a wish granted by a monkey's paw in that Ttar is banned in every single match now and he hasn't been able to play his favorite dinosaur since. I think we got like two non-draft matches and he instalocked Ttar in both, and that's it.
This has caused him to be really frustrated with the game and hate draft. He's said more than once he wishes we could opt out. If it wasn't for me still wanting to play I'm sure he would have quit a long time ago :(
I feel like the whole "bad early, amazing late" motif for Pokémon designs just doesn't work, at least not with how bad the devs are at balancing. It's such a fine line trying to make a Pokémon's late game just worth the early game slog without it being broken and I have zero faith the devs can find that sweet spot. They really just need to buff the Pupitar phase and let Ttar be a normal amount of good.
TTar is meta defining, but not broken. There will always be a meta. The problem is that the draft system shifts balance accountability from developers and heaps it into players like your husband who just want to play their favorite. Another problem is that MOBAs do not enforce roles, and the problem is that MOBAs are balanced around roles, and this is an issue in MMORPGs as well; when you have roles in your game, they must be enforced. There should be no way for a player to enter a match or dungeon without a balanced role composition. Otherwise, you get a stack of attackers and speedsters for what feels like every time.
@@simoncoweIIjust dont play matches with drafts
If he wants to play it that bad there are other modes. Ranked has never been about playing what you want, but rather playing what you have to to win.
@@platoniczombie And the point is that it’s foolish to think with a franchise like Pokémon where each individual is extremely cherished and beloved by someone out there, that there won’t be one tricks or people who will always play what they want to play. Of course they will, you will NEVER change that. It’s preferable, then, to design the game in such a way that roles will be consistent across both teams, or that roles do not matter at all. Otherwise, you get the current half-a%%ed system that is in almost every MOBA ever.
But when I queue for content in a game like FFXIV, all I have to worry about is will my party members have enough brain cells to press 2-3 buttons, not also worrying about “Oh I sure am excited to find out if we have a tank or healer.” I would rather wait in queue for a more consistent and balanced match than queue instantly but there’s a 50% chance we lost at the Pokémon select screen.
I am a firm believer that anything video game developers don’t want a player to do, they should prevent them from doing. You can’t fully blame the player when allowing players to make awful decisions is a deliberate and calculated design choice. Timi didn’t HAVE to let the Decidueye one trick play Decidueye when there are already 3 attackers.
It’s a matter of game design, and most MOBAs suffer from this flawed design of inconsistency.
@simoncoweII I mean I don't blame players for anything, I stopped playing this game. It had been clear for a while that the devs hate their player base. What used to be free on release is now pay walled for weeks. The amount of free things you got for your character is now nonexistent, there's still no shiny Pokémon, and they expect you to pay $40 for a skin. Lol I just bought Helldivers 2 for $40... paying that for a skin is just silly.
I think letting players know that they’re running the wrong items on their Pokémon would be solid enough already and more healthy to the playerbase than draft
I accidentally ran a wrong item once, (I switched to upgrade it), and my teammate cussed me out
And just delete left over
And ban EXP-Share on things like cinderace and zeraora
Wrong item builds is not even close to the big issues of unite
@@NEXUS_VSTGNthis is true. held item give a little advantage but still its about skill issue. theres alot of player think they can 1v5 the game or just farm the whole game not even helping your team.
I think the biggest issue with ineffective items is when they indicate that players don't understand the game. I'm okay with players using non-optimal items (the math cord is useful, but not the end-all be all), but things like choice specs Machamp show that not all of the games systems are well explained and there aren't enough checks. I agree that something simple like "This item increases your special attack, but InsertPokemonHere is a physical attacker, try this instead" could be good.
And WHY can't we get a proper tutorial for the pick/ban system? For a lot of people, this is their first MOBA. I had to Google it just to make sure i understood switch correctly
It took me 3, 4 matches without watching a video on pick ban to be able to deal with it properly. I’m an adult but you’d think only people who can grasp pick ban would be in masters in the first place smh. But you’re right a tutorial wouldn’t hurt.
Who would bother to read it. There is already a tutorial about how to play the game. 90% of the player base still has no idea how to do it. Bots are better as teammates than half the unite playerbase
@@RunmindrunHaven’t played unite in a while, but i assume the pick / ban is similar to brawl stars, which was never difficult to you. I was like 12 when i found out abt it and it wasnt really confusing, it can’t be that complicated in unite, right?
I would be dead in the water if I didn't watch any championships because I would have no clue either even though I watch Unite CCs.
@@xsxeno In draft you get to first ban any pokemon if you're lower MMR, it doesn't really show very clearly who's team is first so that's probably the hardest part. After that you get to pick pokemon. You can ask for a swap if your turn isn't up, you have to confirm all of your selections too (even in the ban phase). It's like... not thaaat hard to learn but people def struggle with grapsing whose team is first and switching pokemon. A little tutorial wouldn't hurt even if a lot of players are used to learning stuff quickly for every game.
lol this has been the most fun I’ve had in unite personally. Having bans and no EX in ranked has been a joy to me. I can understand the desire for more shake ups and content though
Same. Draft is the only reason I'm back playing constantly.
Yeah draft keeps me playing playing a melee into blast tree and clef
Yea I think this is the main problem that people are feeling. Balance wise this is nearly the best state the game has been in (especially when you can ban outliers in draft), but it has felt very similar for very long. Without something new to work with, we're only left with the terrible matchmaking and ranked system.
Yeah Draft & current bully meta is great. But it's true. More content is needed and they can be a bit more generous with skins & licenses. The prize machine is just not it
I’ve been having more fun and performing better by accepting that the matchmaking is completely broken, a mixture of filling defender support, but not always. Sometimes if our draft looks awful I just mix it up with a carry or a Pokémon I want to play. If someone starts spamming Thanks! I mute them immediately and quickly forget about them. I know this is just cope, but it’s working for now lol
For me the game has been weirdly stagnant this year. There are fewer releases than usual, not much exciting has been announced and the biggest thing to happen so far was the Miraidon release, which was more dreaded than looked forward to since it was another EX mon.
Players flip flop,.they were excited with the tyranitar and garydos buff now they aint
Nice pfp!
Miraidon was actually much less broken than Zacian or Mewtwo somehow, but that made people leave because it actually took skill lol, and mewtwo and zacian were no longer broken at that time.
Another aspect that needs to be discussed is the EX system. It’s AWFUL.
- If you are master rank ranked player, then you get basically no new content when they add a Mon.
- if you are a casual player, they are awful to play against because of how poorly balanced they are.
- if you are a low ranked ladder player, they are awful to play against because of how poorly balanced they are.
- if you are a fan of that Pokémon and want to get good at that Pokémon, it feels terrible, because they are banned at the highest tiers of play, so there’s no point in learning them in a competitive sense.
They just shouldn’t be adding those pokemon period, unless they’re going to release them balanced which they won’t do.
I hope they add marshadow but not make it ex so it’s like mew but not as op as mew on release
@@xsxeno all the EX Pokémon have been legendaries. The mythical Pokémon like Mew, Hoopa and Zeraora have all been relatively fine. (As in within the normal bounds of a busted release)
@@xsxenoMythicals seem to be fair game aswell as weaker legendaries such as Urshifu.
EX are the legendaries you find on the Box Art of games.
@@voguefurret thank god, my boi marshadow will be fine
But for real why ARE the worst players banning? Omg I'm so tired of my teammates banning Cinder or Wiggly. I hate it
Tbh, I haven't had this problem. Maybe I'm lucky, but my teammates usually listen to the bans we request *MOST OF THE TIME*, despite them not being the best players in actual game play 💀
@@blogistuff4383 ugh I JUST had a game where my teammate banned Char 😑
Someone banned sabeleye on my team 💀
People are banning cinder because they're tired of lane cinderace 😂
@@piderrick4825 cinderace players in general throw the matches way too often💀
Biggest Draft Mode issue for me is if im picked to be the first to ban, on my switch, it takes 2-3 seconds to load, giving me now only 12 seconds to ban. When people request ban, the switch is so slow that i have literally no time to find the mon and the game just bans whatever im hovering. The game runs way to slow for them to give that little time.
Same. I get anxious because I'm desperately trying to find the pokemon my team wants me to ban
So, I was a top-level vainglory player and I've recently been getting into Unite. If I made a video on basic draft fundamentals, do you think people would watch it?
@@aabrightlove I would
I agree with this video. I had uncountable amount of games this season where people don’t get their pokemon because someone else on the team or enemy team picks it and they throw the game intentionally instead of quitting. Its a miserable experience. And also in terms of match making, its never been worse. I have had people with 250 games and on numerous occasions had matches where ppl on my team have a total of 10k games (I have 3283) while the enemy team has over 20k games together. Its absolutely ridiculous how large the disparity is in terms of games played and skill.
But also the fact that you get non-draft games even at 1600s meaning someone is still ultra as if the matchmaking wasn't bad enough
@@fzen788it's those annoying duo queues that do this, one among them might be master and other will be ultra
I think we need to have a consistent schedule. 1 Solid Sized Balance Patch a month, 1 Pokémon a month, and then 1 small scale event a month. Something like that would be nice, other things like Pokemon Go get updates like that all the time. It feels off that we aren’t getting more? Need new character ideas or something? Here
Flareon: High Power Mid Range All-Rounder. Big burst damage with long cooldowns. Not fast or slow, not frail or durable. Just really strong and mid at all else.
Galvantula - A Supporter who lays down large webs across the map that slow and cause statuses to foes. And actually does decent damage, but is extremely frail.
Marowak - A hard hitting All-Rounder who pulls foes in with Bonemerang then KOs with Brutal Swing.
Luxray - A mighty All Rounder who can leap it and do massive damage and take hits well, but struggles to escape. Has a passive that lets them see people in grass nearby which goes on cooldown after activated.
That’s only a few. Pokémon are SOOOO flexible and unique. It’s not hard to make interesting kits for them.
For non-All-Rounder examples, here.
Sceptile: A Speedster who sets up traps that weaken foes before going in for the kill.
Empoleon: An Attacker who can actually take a hit but lacks mobility. Can do things like freeze the ground to hinder foes movement, or make whirlpools to deal massive damage while pulling them into the whirlpool.
Ditto: A Role-less character which lets you turn into any Pokémon on the foes team of your choice when the match is starting with their exact builds except for Holowear.
Beedrill: A Speedster character who starts pathetically weak but peaks very early. They fall off until Level 9 where they get their Unite which lets them Mega Evolve into Mega Beedrill and fly around at incredible speeds while dealing massive damage. Immune to all hindrances, but the defenses don’t raise so it’s still paper frail.
Making a Pokemon per month is wayyyy too unrealistic. 2-3 months is more realistic.
@@PokeTaleGbro that Ditto idea is awesome
we have enough all rounders. tired of seeing them tbh
You’re a crackhead if you think 1 Pokémon a month is a sustainable target schedule. As someone said, 2-3 months is the best possible outcome. But there should be monthly events, and balance patches every 1-2 months.
With how much CC there is in the game I almost wonder if they don’t want people to play the game. Having a couple of seconds to basically watch your Pokémon get KO’d is very involved.
I was constantly frozen for about 3 seconds at a time the other day in a match. While that does take coordination to make that happen, it is annoying. But is that your only gripe?
@@Runmindrunmy only gripe is the stuns being way overtuned and point a click moves being too strong for never fucking missing
@@AgilepickleuniteGet grabbed by Buzzswole, as this happens Delphox sets up a fire spin under you, then along comes Mamoswine to ice fang you into a surf from Blastoise, which washes you into the waiting arms of a Machamp that pile drives you into the afterlife.
@@Agilepickleunite they need to up the effectiveness of the anti stun emblems or make a anti stun held item that maybe lowers stats vs boosts them to keep it balanced????
I constantly smash my move button but nothing works.. I just stand and die
PU has become really not so great. I begin to hate playing tank and support because EVERY time, not one is choosing it, everybody plays attacker or all-rounders. What's worase is that if by miracle you have a defender or a support, they don't play exp share or troll build. I reached 1500 master and i'm now getting more rarely draft than when i was 1300, WTF ?!
We need more info from the developper, even if i love elchoeevee, i don't like that we need to really on them to have any infos
The draft problem is cause master rank players are duoing with a non master to draft dodge lil Timmy gets mad when they can’t play cinder every game
Play on a Smurf, play what you like. Don’t stress to much about it and have fun!
i use def and support main. my problem is with my team thats why i dont use exp share anymore. once your team get to lvl 6 or 7 they will just leave you by your self and start roaming around. some player dont understand that exp share usere needs one of their team mate with them to lvl up. the big issue with def and supp main is your own team dont want to have team work and they will even blame you for having a low lvl...
@@alperchil8106 this!
I can excuse soloq defender not having exp share depending on the build. But *some* pokemon like hoopa literally don't even have an all rounder type build. Or COMFEY...
I stopped playing the week Mewtwo X came out. I wanted to see if it was broken or not, I didn’t return until this month. During that time I occasionally checked in on the news to monitor new content. It wasn’t until Falkinks release was there enough game content to draw me back. The game play was the most fun I had in Unite ladder, gameplay was super balanced and draft was refreshing once I got to masters. Then the wheels fell off and I remembered why I was frustrated with Unite. I was flabbergasted that my emblem builds from a year ago were still optimal.
The the truth is that Unite was how TPC was going to get into China. This phase of the game was inevitable. They were always slow and under delivered, it’s more noticeable with the smaller player pool. It’s unfortunately the MO of Pokémon to reskin,resell, and repackage once they have their hooks on a market. It took the mainline games two decades to innovate on their model with Scarlet and Violet, and once again they under delivered.
I don’t have high hopes for change, but it would be a pleasant surprise if it happens
My issue with the game is how hard they're trying to get you to spend money. I feel like they specifically made the game harder for free to play players. They added a limit to the amount of aeos coins in battle every week, and I feel like they made the process of grinding the game especially tedious to try and get you to spend money to skip the grind. Does anybody else share this problem, or is it just me?
Well yeah, that's what mobile games do. Too many people, I think, look at this as a Switch game that is available on mobile. In reality, it's a mobile game that's available on Switch.
That wasn’t a change, its always had a cap.
@@Cody-rb4de I know. I wasn't implying they added it recently.
F2P games are scum. Always have been, always will be. Even buy to play games are scum these days. AAA games where you get what you pay for without MTX scumming, like Baldur’s Gate 3 or Nioh 2 or FFXIV (live service example) are few and far between.
Well duh, they're a company trying to make money., why do you expect things for free ?
I still can’t believe after 3 years, matchmaking is STILL this bad. I legit have master ranked 1600 games with players who have 100 something games, while the opponents have 2000+ matches games on average. It sucks, not to mention the afks, trolls and dudes who just wanna picks attackers like Decidueye and Cinderaces during the drafts 💀
Deci is pretty decent at meta right now thats why so many picks him, don't know about the cinder players
I think the problem here isn't necessarily matchmaking, but that it is impossible to demote tiers. So the bottom of each tier is a barren hellscape, much worse than the top of the previous tier
CrisHeroes is one of the most sensitive and entitled streamers playing this game. Wants to talk about unite dying but at the same time ignore his F tier personality and how he blocks anyone who isn't glazing the whole time
And they have to lower skin prices. 40€ (33$) is criminal. Imagine a child will pay their monthly pocket money. And the skins doesn't even look that great. No extra features. Some skins miss that retreat animation.
It's a bummer to see the game in this state.
I started playing the first week the game released a few years ago. Met a lot of people I consider good friends now through meeting in a Spragels Discord lobby, and we played nearly every day for almost 2 years. I've actually been building a pokemon fan game with one of those friends for 14 months now.
We often think back fondly on playing Unite as a group, but every time we come back to it, we're reminded of why we left, and then we move on to different games.
I would love to be able to come back and play a refreshed version of this game that doesn't give me anxiety just navigating through the menus (I have ADHD, and Unite is by FAR the only game where the menus are so convoluted and distracting that I sometimes literally put down the game before I even play a game because its so anxiety-inducing).
Still rooting for the game, but until I start hearing that the game is making positive changes that start getting people excited again, I'll watch from the sidelines.
Edit:
I'm further into the video and it's almost crazy that we're still talking about no communication from TiMi.
I say 'almost' because it depends on where the communication systems are coming from. As someone who worked and lived in Mainland China for Chinese companies for several years, it doesn't surprise me from a business perspective that the Chinese side doesn't communicate with the player base. That's been most experiences I've had dealing with Chinese companies. At most, you'll get a little communication on what is happening in the near future, but rarely why or how.
That said, I don't know how TiMi handles localization for their product or who has been tasked with communicating with players. I remember a year ago or so there was a whole renewed discussion about the devs communicating more and we got like one big, in-depth post from the devs about what was coming down the pipe, but I don't think they ever kept up with that consistently.
I need new map. I wish any of this would comes true.
1. *Continental Volcanic Ruins* :- The boss is groudon with wild pokemons like heatran instead of registeel/regirock/regice and Volcarona instead of regileki. Wild pokemon can include camerupt for red buffs and hawlucha for blue buffs. Teddiursa and ursaring as group mons. Defeating groudon traps the enemy within a lava pool for a short duration and increases the goal scoring speed for the ally team.
2. *Lost Atalntis Ruins* :- The boss is kyogre with wild pokemons like Volcanion instead of registeel/regirock/regice and manaphy/pheone instead of regileki. Wild pokemon can include basculegion for red buffs and menetric for blue buffs. Carvanaha and Sharpedo as group mons. Defeating kyogre traps the enemy within a whirlpool and slows their movement speed for a short duration and the ally team is equipped with a self control unstoppable tidal wave allowing them to reach the goal zone and then disappears.
Others include Temporal Ruins, Spacial Ruins, Spooky Ruins for Dialga,Palkia and Giratina.
In celebration of Pokemon Legends ZA, they can do a *Forest of Tandem* for Zygarde.
They could even save some coding and just use the EX mons to be bosses in the map.
@@shawnlyons6543 Agreed
We know you like hoenn games so much (lol jk)
“One step forward, and Three steps back.”
There’s no point in playing the game. As soon as those medals came out, I realized the shortcomings started slowly appearing one by one. I’ve been playing since pre-release, and quit around last year of November. I didn’t want the stress in my life lol.
They should add shinies and have challenges for each Pokemon that you need to complete to unlock it….maybe having a blue or gold ribbon for it but then also have challenges that involve the use of other Pokemon…..so like if you want a shiny cinderace you need to have a blue ribbon but also need to have won 25 matches with a defender that way people aren’t just spam using the same Pokemon
They won't, it's not a Nintendo or Pokémon Company game, it's TENCENT, they'll just gonna keep bullying 50$ skins
I watched this live and I'm leaving a like
I'm a great citizen
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I think the thing that hurts the lack of updates for me is the fact that all the new releases feel samey at this point. They're good and fun but they're but they all have an auto attack play style, are all rounders, all have a boosted auto that reduces move cool downs. I feel like the lack of updates wouldn't be so bad if they were getting crazy with the new stuff but it feels so safe.
1) Not enough pokemon
2) no new content like modes
3) once maxed to level 50, nothing to achieve
Fun game, no longevity which is why I delete the game so often and come back months later .. Still the same
I've definitely felt the content dearth. I'm one of those players who hops back into the game every couple weeks when new stuff is released, and I'll even play consistently if the meta is good, but the game gets old pretty fast.
We've had a handful of new mons added this year, and that's basically it as far as new content goes. By the time Ceruledge comes out, the year will be half over and we will have seen 5 mons added. Meanwhile, we haven't had new items added since the end of last year/start of this year, haven't had new emblems added since last year, and have only had one map added ever to the main game mode. That's probably the most surprising thing to me; there are so many cool environments in pokemon that could be adapted into maps that I fully expected them to add AT LEAST one new map per year.
I can't help but feel like Timi is fumbling this IP by underutilizing it.
I stopped because the ranked experience is miserable. The good players are matched with the worst players to "balance the match", this is a joke and that's why people who dedicate to get better just quits.
Imagine what would be the League of Legends scenario if the pro players were matched with the bronze players. It actually happens in Pokemon Unite
this also happens in LoL and other MOBAs. I agree it is bs, but PU is one of the few that actually takes steps to mitigate this by limiting the tiers you can match with. Still, there are many players in "veteran" who are noooooooooobs, so even in Ultra or low Master it is awful
Its unfun for both bad players and good players, bad players cant play at all because a try hard is just destroying them over and over again, and the good player is the only player capable of doing something, it makes the bad players not be able to get better and it makes good players frustrated because they dont have the support they need from the team
Matchmaking is the worst I’ve ever seen, I’m a 60% win rate player usually 1600 plus and I can’t remember the last time a game was competitive. Either get crushed or we crush the other team. Why can’t they just make games where everybody has similar ranked W/R?
Personally, I quit a while ago mainly due to the matchmaking; I hated that whenever I tried to play in long sessions (of non-ranked), I'd get punished by being on a team that was overall (much) less skilled than the opposing team, almost certainly resulting in a loss. At times, it would be a crushing loss, which lowered my incentive to want to keep playing even more.
i waited for years for mamoswine buff that never came, evolve level 8 not 9 omg
Please do more of these videos. We need more Spragels reacts!!
One thing that I do also think stagnates the game slightly is also how the competitive scene is doing with teams like ASU, TTV, GT, etc quitting, and events maybe being less frequent, teams not having enough points, recent events, etc.
Likely may not matter as much as just some players stopping after reaching Masters, etc but does spark some interest into the game imo where some players want to cheer for their favorite team/player(s)/friends
Recently I quit playing any mode except for Aroma park and Shivre city. The reason is: these 2 mods doesn't have one big obj in the end that decides income of the match, but instead a obj that spawns multiple times.
I'm just tired of classic mode where everything decided by one big final obj and somehow it's always your team that just falls apart in the final 2 minutes.
I am waiting for this mode from Chinese PTS where you need to score 500 points to win.
I bet they're making it intentionally terrible so that when they drop the Chinese version it'll force people to migrate over.
I stopped playing when they started pre-releasing pokemon for coins, not because of that, but because my team stopped playing way before that, and people in ranked didn't know how to play, when to attack, when to join, nothing, I'd get so frustrated everytime I did the most points and kills in a game and still my team lost, after more than a year people didn't like to play a co-op game
I have quit and rejoined multiple times. I always quit because of bad teammates, afks, grinders, and ignorant people.
I love the fact that how every AAA company starts fixing their after the game loses 70% of it's fan base. And they keep making it worse one way or other
The stingyness, lack of original events, and now favoritism over CN version compared to global. I already quitted
Focusing all their resources on the China launch might be shooting them in the foot for the time being but once it gets released they'll have a nice new shiny robot foot to make up for it.
We hope so man 😭
Timi needs to let players who don't understand the game sit in the lower leagues. If they want to play the game casually, that's perfect for them. These casual players are going to be the ones with the lowest retention rates anyway, and it also encourages them to LEARN the game if they want to rank up.
Instead, they are catering to the casual players and "kids" (these problematic players get on the mic often, and they aren't kids). If a player's win rate is in the 40's, they aren't a "master" of the game. This exact thing is what is driving away the more dedicated players who would normally have the highest retention rate. Makes no sense to punish the part of your playerbase who have actually put time and effort into learning your game. Timi is digging Unite's grave, looking around for the culprit, while they're holding the shovel.
It’s so bad I just gave up on ranked. I’m currently veteran solely because I just have no interest in climbing to masters anymore, because it’s just a chore that makes me lose my mind with frustration. I probably would’ve dropped the game entirely if it wasn’t for the dragon mode being funny.
tbh, i don't even care to play ranked anymore, reaching Masters is useless
Draft is good but its now more time investment to get good in a game that requires lots of time investment for rewards to get new things. It's so time consuming that this game becomes more like a chore. Also the lack of customization is problematic. The emblems haven't been updated and we haven't gotten more items in forever. There's no reason to grind without better and faster rewards. It feels like i can't play like i want.
As suggestions, I'd add a purely solo que mode
Make emblems like the ev system in pokemon. Its a way to give damage to tanky mons and bulk to frail mons
For me I started playing again on mobile a couple weeks ago, I was pretty chill with how the game was, I didn’t know anything about emblems or the new items since I last played a couple years ago but the one thing is there’s no incentive to play the new game modes on and on, I might play some Solo challenge or the Dustup Challenge but only a couple a day, otherwise i’m just playing ranked which has been frustrating at times.
Like the same content has been there for over 2 weeks at this point and I have no real incentive to just grind out the games and get the rewards, it’s really kinda silly.
I would also like to add that collecting emblems is kinda neat but if they did have other effects, it would be a lot better, or even if there were emblems that you litterally don’t need, i feel like over half of my emblems I have currently are useless because the negative effects take a way from what the build wants even though the positive effect is neat to have. I have a diamond teir (or whatever it is above gold) Umbreon that I would never use because the negative effect don’t work for a special attack build, and you don’t need CDR for defenders (i’m an Umbreon main currently) so yeah idk.
I love Pokemon Unite 100% but they really need to look at the game and improve a decent amount with content cause I don’t like how my above points are a thing.
The gane does not really teach you how to play it. It took me a lot of time to improve and I think most people who do it learn it from TH-cam, which not everyone really have the dedication to do it. There should be small tips while everything is loading. Like, "having troubloes with a Pokemon? Try read their skills and learn to fight it" or "Always chose your held item based on your move type".
It’s the biggest problem, draft wise, because as a solo queue player you’re just locked into your pick, whereas I’m a player that if the team isn’t picking a defender I’ll bite the bullet and go for it. When I’m picking early in draft I choose what I’m going to be strongest with and just have to hope my team will play along and get a defender rolling. Most of the time they do but man the struggle is guaranteed with locked picks. Also the fact there aren’t mirror picks is also hurting because people aren’t getting to play their favorite mons, and in a game where the bulk of the base have their “mains” it’s an issue.
They need role queue: tank, support, all-arounder, jungle, lane damage. Within those, players could choose what pokemon they want, so players could pick a 2nd tank as a support instead of an actual supporter. But at least people go in with the idea of what type of pokemon they are playing for the team.
@@shawnlyons6543 agreed!~ role-based queueing is the way to go here, then just standardize the teams to 1 Attacker, 1 Defender, 1 Speedster, 1 Support, and 1 All-Rounder.
This way you could play your cinder center if you really wanna but there won't be 3 attackers on the team ruining the lategame if you do
So, I was a top-level vainglory player and I've recently been getting into Unite. If I made a video on basic draft fundamentals, do you think people would watch it?
@@aabrightlove I mean I definitely TH-camd how to draft when draft first dropped and found nothing so just had to learn as I went. I have yet to find any big TH-camr who has actually broken down draft in a video yet for some reason. Like what the different options do in draft and what not.
@@Haldricsfury well, I'm not a big youtuber but I have reached high-ish ranks in every mainstream moba and the tippy top of vainglory before it died. I don't know all the ins-and-outs of the meta yet, but-get this-I'm literally a tutor for a living lol besides, a good "how to draft" video doesn't rely on the current meta to be a good explanation
so, I am sure I can explain the things. Thanks for the reply, I'll think about it
I just get too many bot games and get bored because there's nothing new. Bot games have been rising too much for me not to think the playerbase is dwindling. I also hate to play bot games.
How do you know if you're fighting a bot?
@@MewpsyCat they play like bots, & at the end screen you won't be able to see any of their profiles
They also won't use the text blurbs at all in prep or in match
But overall enemies will feel like you're steamrolling them when you really shouldn't be
@@MewpsyCat it gets more obvious the more it happens but when your team readies up one at a time, the names are all jumbled letters, your team starts moving to path a second after you do at the start, stuff like that. They also all target eleki first and in the final stretch the enemy always scores instead of doing ray.
I think it would be interesting if they added different fields. Like one that’s water and introduce more water types for it and one that’s for flying types, and one that’s mixed, etc
I think a new map would go a long way. Or even just letting remote stadium also be in ranked, like which map you play is randomly chosen at the start. It’s been so long that remote would effectively be a new map again. A new map offers opportunities for new strategy or mechanics, so a lot to learn and dig into.
About a year ago around Zacians release is when my playing of unite slowed down a lot. I pretty much got to the point where I only came back to play the new pokemon for a bit and then to where I barely think about the game anymore. I think they need to add a new map and really pay attention to which pokemon they’re adding. Ceruledge and Miraidon are so boring and there’s plenty of other pokemon that still need to be added to complete groups. I’d love to get on unite and play as a flareon or a chesnaught but they are just adding random pokemon.
If anything the matchmaking is worse than ever. I played with a few friends that just got the game and got matched with a full team of blue and gold badges. How can they have fun playing together if they get bodied by teams who have played since the beginning?
I mean we’re you in ranked?
Casual mode is all bots that’s where new people start normally
@@AgilepickleuniteI’ve been playing mostly casual lately and have been seeing various ribbons almost every game. One game yesterday I ran into a gold ribbon master-ranked delphox with 17 THOUSAND games playing in casuals.
But the causal matchmaking is somehow treating me better than ranked. More than half of the time my teammates actually go to the lanes they said they would! It’s a miracle!
@@Agilepickleunite Nope we were in casual. Casual is nothing but sweats when we play.
With so many pokemon that are out with each generation you'd think they would already have come up with so many ideas on what roles these possible pokemon could have and map wise be themed after each generation as well
I really wasn't looking forward to draft before it came out for a lot of the reasons that ended up happening. If they want to keep draft in the game I think they had the correct idea originally which was to put it in 1600 lobbies. Those are the people who care about those kind of logistics. Add more rewards and swag, keep the gameplay tight and regulated. Don't add a lot of new modes,But definitely something new to keep players in the current modes.
When I'm in a "Don't say the game is dying" challenge and my opponent is a Unite content creator: 😬
Shouldn't it be
"when I'm in a say the game is dying challenge" ?
Three things that could help as fsr as motivation and content in my opinion would as challenges and events go if you own the reward already you should get an alternate prize. Why grind something for a temporary unite license you already have.
A new casual game mode where Pokemon were weak and strong against types like the standard games could make for some fun content and team comps.
A new ranked map. You could design something around the legendary dogs from gen 2 or the legendaries from Gen4 or paradox Pokemon from SV
As a free to play player last year i almost ran out of coins. This year i have over 100k coins ready to spend...
I've honestly been considering playing snap/dungeon/Violent to get my pokemon fix. It's been pretty stale. I can literally think of like 100 things they should/would/could add.
I go through so many times where I play everyday but then drop off because there’s just no new content and it could be weeks till the next
I stopped playing recently, and the main reason is that the game feels more frustrating to play than enjoyable. When you take a step back it's plain to see that the 10% of fun isn't worth the 90% of pain (10% is generous btw). Watch any streamer play this game and you'll see that that is their experience too.
What I believe to be the main cause of this frustration, and what I've been saying is the biggest problem with this game for literally years at this point, is matchmaking. The skill variance in master rank is absurd.
There is little to nothing to grind for anymore, and even if there was, I'm just not interested until matchmaking gets addressed, but I doubt it ever will.
Unite is an objectively bad game. And if it wasn't for the Pokemon IP, none of us would still be playing it.
I was practically retired, but I picked up the game again specifically because of the Dragon Dustup challenge. It’s not new, but free _non-rental_ license AND holowear is just too good to pass. I guess I just don’t feel the appeal anymore to play the exact same mode 100 times every season, regardless of new balance or character. A combination of new gameplay and worthwhile reward would be what they need to revitalize this game.
it is hard to communicate and with only 4 types of message... most don't even know how to help stacks
Used to play clash before unite... They had also had content drought post th11.... But once they Introduce th12 after 3 years. Game back to life with new player base and keep growing even after 12 years.
I just started playing again a few days ago after taking probably more then a year off the game or more but one thing I can say is I hate the inclusion of the boost emblems it reminds me of the ruins that was in league. Because every one is not playing on the same plane and new players will be at a disadvantage against those who been playing a lot. I wish those would go and the levels for the held items. And put everyone at equal grounds at the start of the game. Idk I love the game but after so much time away I was hoping to see more improvement
so the draft system was new? didn't knew that since i just came back. but as a defender role i always got the first pick or switched so it doesn't hurt my experience that much
I understand the frustrations. There is nothing to look forward to. Even this Dragon Dust Up event - just so monotonous, I haven't jumped in a Unite game in 2 weeks now.
The lack of content is horrendous. And then draft. The pick/ban phase can be sped up massively. I can't believe the pick/ban phase is almost twice as long as LoL, and there's like 170 champs there.
Unite License every two months when we have only 57 of 1000+ pokemons is insane to me - quick Bulbapedia says there are 531 evo lines... We are at 10% roster, why slow down to a crawl...
Yeah it's definitely frustrating to play unite rn. I didn't have much time to climb ladder because I was balancing university and ucs but I've started climbing back to masters and I keep getting new players or returning players on my team. I always think about what I should have done to win, but in those games I just couldn't see a possible way to win.
I agree. The game needs more content. I play Pokémon Unite from a 1 year pause and the UI didn't changed a bit. I also play Call of Duty Mobile and the UI change every single month. Even just a little frequent change will help the game.
I think this game is very unfriendly to players with a high winning rate. The reason is that players with a high winning rate often match you with less than 50% of the players, and those players with a low winning rate tend to mess around. This is really frustrating. I can only say that the matching system Really sucks 😞
I main every supporter in rank because of exactly what Chris is saying , i solo que and the only way I can somewhat consistently win matches is healing sub par teammates up so we at least have a chance
A big problem I have with Unite is that too much of the new content is locked behind a paywall. The monetization in this game is awful.
i was saying from the beginning that draft is bad because you waste to much time and unite is not made to do draft. i got hated a lot from the playerbase on youtube and i was right. it hurts the game. spragels said he also said this but when i watch his videos about draft, he says there, that he likes it and wants more of it...
that's a massive shame, I really wanted to start playing again once ceruledge comes out, but now I'm not sure if its worth it...
I entirely agree with the point about emblems. It seems so weird to have to deal with debuffs when making a loadout and it therefore limits your options. If they remove the debuffs and create more clarity in things like certain colors pairing well together I think it could be a lot more meaningful rather than just another thing to collect in the main menu.
Idk, my playtime has been limited bc of graduate school, but when I play, I’ve had great draft games, but I’m also pretty low in master’s (float around 1500 most seasons) and only play solo.
I don’t have time to commit to learning which mons are ideal to counter which or how to really create an ideal team with draft, so I typically fill the role left over with whomever I can play that fits the class (opposing team has lots of backline = mon who can dive on them, no tank = bro/tree, too many melee on opposing team and my team wants to have all range = Wiggly). I would love if the game would introduce tutorials and strategy guides for this and I think it would help other dumbdumbs like myself in learning the game since I think lots of us, myself included, have limited MOBA experience.
A big thing is lack of new content, but I would take that over crap EX metas any day.
Buff/Nerf half of the roster. Then maybe 25% after that. Then back to half. I know that’s a ton of changes to keep up with but all the micro changes can be done on the major patch. Your small submission buffs or 10 attack and 10 defense buffs can be done on the big ones!! So you know the micro changes won’t majorly impact the game but you’ll feel good knowing there is a change with almost every persons favorite or least favorite mon. Then bigger changes on the small ones. QOL on a move set. New mechanic. And where are the freaking item changes?! 1 month update and then 3 weeks or something.
See as a new player im finding the matchmaking so hard to deal with. Ive been playing for a month or 2 but i find it so frustrating when i go on and lose every game but still rank top on my team because my teammates have no clue what theyre doing. TBH it just kills the vibe and leaves me frustrated.
Ban mode spent like 5 mins when the game is only 10mins. When there’s player afk, that 6 mins is wasted.
I miss the days of frequent content, there's 1000 pokemon i wish they just kept PUMPING out new mons like the old days
Coming from other mobas, I was hoping to see UNITE do something cool like selling characters in bundles... maybe this way when someone bought one, there's still TWO more to get from the last content drop.
Anywho, great video and agree with all of Spragels takes 💯
as someone who sells game acc on blackmarket. PU price is significantly drop to -70%. there's no buyer anymore. i even have a buyer who literally bought acc last year and play for only 3 days and never went online again. there's so many problem in this game that they never fixed.
- first is match system. everyone knows how bad PU matchmaking is. there's no point at grinding mmr. you will still get "Ultra" players even at 2000mmr .
-Solo at Party match still hasn't separated
-PU has no "BIG PATCH". while other MOBA games do big patch every 2-3 years that completely changes monumentally.(pokemon rework, new map, new talent/skill system, new mechanics, new objectives etc.) PU still the same for the last 3 years.
I think mainly popular Pokémon being added is the draw. The infrequency is the problem. The less Pokémon you add the less people say “that’s my fave let me dive back”. The “in the weeds” stuff is absolutely not going to increase the player pool more than “LOOK AT THIS POKÉMON WE PUT IN!!”
Your thoughts nail this perfectly, i stopped playing unite. Personally because i dont really enjoy the game even if it gets updates or not, but i still watch all of the youtubers/streamers from time to time. Nothing will change that, i still watch your content, cris’s content. Almost every single creator i watched when i was actively in the community.
I like how crisheroes just turned the entire video into an ad. *starts playing league of legends afterwards*
What happened to the stuff from the Chinese version?? Wasn't there supposed to be some kind of buff system for more variation
Chris spitting what I've been spitting, so now I know I haven't been tripping.
I have been cultivating my friend list this past year and having a fun time. Can only take solo que for so much.
I thought it was doomed when I unlocked Ranked mode after playing 8 Quick games against bots and proceeded to exclusively bot games (in ranked) until our DUO of Great2 kept matching against the same Master 2600 5-stack
or when they acknowledged the AFK problem by removing the message that lets you know your teammates are AFK
There is a massive issue with moba skill discrepancy too. People who don't group, people who play single player farming simulator, griefers, lack of team comps...It makes the gameplay loop kind of crappy.
That being said there is no reason in the 7 Hells that my premade (of 3-4 people) should be picking up teammates or even duos who have less than 100 games each.
For reference: I have the least games in my group of around 3500. Most of my friends have double that.
I really wanted to continue playing this game, and I won't sit here like I'm a perfect player but this playerbase is probably the worst I've seen as far as skill level. From the pokemon picks, to the item choices with not one thing telling them in the game why that item isn't the right thing to use for that particular pokemon. (sp attack item using charizards or cinders) and over a year and a couple months of playing it, the plays of the playerbase as a whole never really improved. Seeing any amount of teamwork was almost shocking and sad at the same time. Cause I knew I likely wouldn't get teamwork in the next several games I'll play in. The devs never really do anything to add any level of guidance for the playerbase. I hate the Rayquaza win condition cause I know even in the middle of having some of my best games, it's all going to come down to "who gets the last hit on the dragon" it's just too frustrating to play. Ranked never felt like ranked. I cruised to masters once just to see how hard it would be and it honestly didn't feel much different from a random quickplay game. Not much reason to get to masters honestly other than to say you did it. Game deserves better cause it is fun at it's core.
Left the game around the time the Mewtwos came out. Wife and I used to have fun back then but at some point being frustrated for ten minutes at a time instead of enjoying gets tiring.
I remember being excited for Blaziken and then quit cold turkey one day. Been keeping up with the updates through TH-cam but a year since then it looks like it's not worth the time to come back to the game.
I mean bad matchmaking is the foundation of any moba.
It’s either your in a good team that moves to objectives together or a team that never teams up just does whatever. I’m a master 1500 and that’s still happening and even more so at master. Like how did they get to master????
The game is not dying, it's just not doing anything to really grow... If you're playing solo, after you reach 1600 there's literally no reason for you to keep playing if you're not a streamer. You cannot reach the leaderboard, you cannot get anything beyond a Golden Ribbon and ironically enough, people make fun of golden ribbon players.
So what's the point? You're telling me I need to get 4 other people who do not play my role so they can also have fun to actually make it to the leaderboard?
Gemlocked characters kill the hype for a big part of the player base. New releases used to be a hype for ALL PLAYERS, and now is just "if you wanna play it you gonna spend a few bucks" and that ruins things for people. You see content creators or other people saying "omg this thing is mid" a week before you can play it and that just makes you not want to buy it. And it if is turbo broken then people who can't buy it get frustrated because it's something they cannot even use and it's making their games insufferable.
The balance patches, why are there characters that have not being touched in months?
Matchmaking has been worse recently, people with 400 games in total being put in teams with other people with 10,000 ranked games!!
The game is not dying, is not growing
Also remove 3 stacks, they are the real problem
I played for the first time in 2 weeks last night, and big problem Im experiencing, when I do play, is people quitting after draft and wasting my time.