17:27 fun fact in gen 5 speedruns, it's actually a pretty common strategy to ditch the starter for a Lillipup because it weighs less than the other starters but is close to starter stats and level up, so the animation when you send it out is faster with minimal difficulty raise. So people have already been using Lillipup as a normal type starter in Generation 5 Speedruns
That's really interesting! I'm a gen 5 loving girl, and I've always been fond of using a Lillipup, at least for the early portion bc of the good attack stat coupled with 50 (75 stab) power tackle, but never really looked into speedruns of the game, thanks for sharing!
Well, I think only Emboar is faring better than Lillipup. The gen5 starters really arent that good and Stoutlands stats are JUST good enough to stampede over the games.
13:30 Imagine: You get whatever gym badge matches the mid 30s. Suddenly you’re interrupted by an old woman who tells you about her past. She talks about how she once pranked a trainer years ago by giving her haunter an everstone before trading it. She then gives the player a link cable to atone for her sins. Mindy redemption arc.
Dude, friendship evolution is PERFECT for a starter, could even do a plotline where the rival is like Paul, also has one, and fails to evolve his starter, then something like Oaks line to Blue is amazing
That’s kind of similar to Silver, it doesn’t involve his starter but he has a Golbat for most of his battles except for the multi battle with Lance and Clair and the Indigo Plateau rematches where it finally evolved into Crobat, actually showing he actually grew as a trainer and started caring for his pokemon like he said he would
I mean, Mankey -> Anihillape is *technically* a leveling thing, but with an additional requirement that can be completed by battling (using "Rage fist" a certain number of times and then leveling up), so... Maybe that counts? But otherwise yeah that's kinda wild to think about
Primeape also learns Rage Fist at level 35 in SV, so it mostly fits inside the starter evolution level range in this case (level 36 evolution if you do the requirement immediately)
it counts if you use rage fist on a normal type so you can get your primape to beat up the nearest pidgey or rattata at the first route and go on with your life
I would really argue for aron/aggron. It has poor evolution levels, but aggron's BST at 530 lands perfectly in the starter range. It also starts rather diminutive and becomes imposing in its vibes later.
It also evlpves before metagross at level 42 so I don't know why its ok for mettagross to evolve at level 45 with beldum only knowing tackle but aron cant evolve at level 42
@@Mi-le9ppBecause Aron doesn't have its first evolution until level 32 compared to Beldum having its first evolution at level 20. This means Aron's average evolution level is 37 while Beldum's average evolution level is only 32.5.
I have a concept for a starter trio, I liked how the gen 6 starters were based on the typical RPG classes as it gave them a unique identity to them compared to other starters, so I came up with one that is based on the typical MMO rolls (for the record I don't play MMO's I just know these are the typical architypes they have) the healer, the DPS, and the tank The Grass starter would be the healer, it would be grass fairy, it's stats would be sort of a jack of all trades with decent bulk, offense (not attack though), and speed, with its move pool being dominated by moves that help it heal both itself with moves like leech seed or giga drain, and its teammates with heal pulse, wish and it's signature move I call Natures Blessing which allows it to heal either its teammate in a double battle, or any Pokémon in your party not on the field (just not itself) I feel this would make it an effective healer but I would also give it energy ball and dazzling gleam (not moon blast cuz I don't want to make it too powerful offensively) so it can play offense if needed it just wouldn't be as proficient in it, its hidden ability would be healer The Fire starter would be the DPS, it would be fire fighting (it's not that overused anymore) and it would be a typical glass cannon, having high attack, special attack, and speed, but with poor bulk all around, it would be proficient in both physical and special attacks, and its signature move blazing strike would be a fire type Mach punch, its hidden ability would be iron fist The Water starter would be the tank, it would be water steel, and it would have great HP, defense, and special defense, but poor offense and speed, it would have moves like recover and aqua ring to help it stay alive, and moves to help it wear down opponents like toxic (despite fewer Pokémon being able to learn it now) whirlpool, and its signature move, Seafoam Spray which deals a little damage and lowers the opponents attack and special attack by one stage, it would be a dedicated staller essentially, it can take hits and heal itself, but can't really deal direct damage, and it would have follow me as the tank's role in an MMO is to get the enemy's attention on themself and away from their teammates, its hidden ability would be filter
@@sebia1238good, maybe the games will actually be polished if we wait that long. Tears of the kingdom was a god damn masterpiece that’s a miracle considering it’s on switch. Imagine if we got a TOTK-quality pokemon game. But we won’t because of that 3 year rule. Edit: full nat Dex could be a possibility if the devs were given time, which addresses two of the biggest complaints with modern pokemon games
Funny to have Mikey explaining that Beldum could be changed from only learning Tackle while I'm googling when Beldum was changed from only learning Take Down. (Gen VIII, by the way)
I watched this on my TV but actually had to pull it up on my phone so that I could comment how much I loved this video. Super creative concept and really fun to watch! I wish there would've been a little review at the end, though, showing all of the starters you picked on the screen at once. If you did that and I looked away at the time, then I look really dumb right now.
it is pretty easy for that to happen if you have Zubat as your team lead and withdraw it whenever it is at disadvantage. Golbat is good for the level it evolves so in 3 levels max you get Crobat, which is a beast
But that also goes both ways.... at least in early Gens... I started an Inclament Emerald run with a Ghastly..... i couldn't get past the first fight after my rival, since I only had Lick as an offensive move and didn't have any other way of dealing damage.
Ghost is tricky in early game, yes. Luckily, there are Bite, Peck, Lick, Poison Sting, Odor Sleuth and Foresight to put in early game if ghost starters were a thing as well as 40 bp moves from most types.
“VIBES… TRAPINCH” I’m dead, great choice tho “Or it’s Slaking being as strong as Groudon but with a garbage ability” I don’t know why, but I just find that funny
It's also important to remember that some types have a specific 'characteristic' to their leveling and evolution. Rock types are generally slow rollers, evolving pretty late. Bug types evolve very early, with a low top end to their stats. Some types just aren't meant for low level trainers.
The 3rd stages would be problematic as they'd evolve too early (but with a regular starting friendship value it's fine - which is why Zubat was chosen) - but if you crank it up high enough, it might work
I would really only change one, that being Psychic into Ralts, purely because it’d be a super fun gimmick to have a starter be able to choose its final form.
@@crazychristopher1989 You could always change it so that either gender can become Gallade and have a forced story interaction that gives you a Dawn Stone.
Well the others aren't members of KISS. He was saying that Zigzagoon (Galar) is like the other starters where they start as small quadroped babies, and turn into bipedal furry bait.
5:01 the Dragon segment really puts into perspective how bad the Type gets it outside of competitive. Barely any Primary Dragon Type Pokémon that aren’t Psuedo Legendary, Mythical, or Legendary, with some of them feeling like Dragon should be the secondary type, like with Altaria and Tatsugiri, and the only regular Primary Dragon Type Pokémon evolution line, Axew’s, still struggles as much as a Psuedo Legendary with evolution levels, but still levels up just as slowly!
I also agree with Mikey that Haxorus should have Pseudo stats! It’s literally already a point faster than the actual psuedo of Unova, Hydreigon. Put more points into the speed and attack and make Haxorus a physical sweeper compared to Hydreigon’s special orientation.
@@dinodude8899I’d actually argue Haxorus should keep the stats it has but have it’s evolution levels reduced and/or change it’s XP group to be faster. We need more dragons with a bit quicker evolutions
I get the feeling that Haxorus was originally intended to be the pseudo legendary for Gen 5, before being dropped in favour of Hydreigon. Unfortunately the evolution levels and level speed remained those of a pseudo legendary's, without the power of one.
I think the evolution methods should be hand waved a lot more, because as you said, there is a large precedent for evolution methods changing between generations. Axew would be a literally perfect dragon type starter, so I think it is a very minor issue that it evolves at a higher level, cause that level could just be lower
I totally agree with you on that. It just doesn't hurt me more cuz Haunter is my favourite Pokemon. Don't know how much of it is bc I like his appearance on the anime or the fact I was stuck with it cuz trade.
Every time i catch a zubat early on in my playthrough it almost always evolves to crobat directly after evolving to golbat bc of how much friendship it gets up to that point
Same. I don't use zubat that much, but this one time I got one around the second gym (Pokemon Ruby), it evolved into Golbat a while after, then 2 levels later it was a Crobat
This video is so cool! This is what I imagine the starters would be for trainers of a specific type, like phychic type trainers or ghost type trainers, ect. Really cool concept and I would love to see this implimented into a game where you could choose what type of trainer you want to be and can only catch pokemon with that specific type in their evolutionary line instead of trying to "catch them all" That would definitely be more realistic when you look at all the NPCs in the games
i wish there was a sandbox mode after you beat the main game, like a second save file, where you can choose all your pokemon, choose levels, IVs and probably more stuff, bascially you can do whatever you want so you can make any pokemon your starter!
I’d also love a challenge mode for the players who want a challenge. Every trainer uses held items and has properly trained Pokemon at some point in the story.
There are Randomizers, for both of those situation, for most games. I know the Randomizer for the newest game, Scarlet and Violet for example, let you set if the NPCs will have perfect IVs, smarter AI, held items, full teams of 6, and so on. You can also set to have the Starters Randomized, or you can put in the Dex ID and specifically pick what pokemon shows up. You can even randomize the abilities, types, and move sets of pokemon to really make it crazy and insane. Pretty sure Randomizers for the older games, let you do even more stuff to fine tune it.
8:58 Shinx is essentially the secondary starter of Legends Arceus. It’s the third non starter you catch and while its bst might be a touch low, the bite moves give it crazy coverage. Starter in the first slot, Shinx in the second. From beginning to end.
This is my favorite take on this idea I’ve seen yet. You’re the only person I’ve seen who’s given decent explanations to their choices. I like how you argued that later evolution lines could be made up by a greater reward like Salamance. Many people seem to miss that haha
Fun fact, there is an exception to this. In Pokemon Go, you can pick between grass, water, fire, and electric. If you walk away from the starters repeatedly, you eventually unlock Pikachu. It is, in fact, real, and I have done it myself.
The worst problem with the balancing of this concept is that most starters have only a normal type move at level 5, so Ghost fully counters all of them in the first fight
@@EVILGORIA i mean If that was The case we better not have rival battles right away because fighting and normal would be horrible picks against your rival's ghost
@@zoneofsan4662 But rival usually picks the super effective type mon. So for fighting, you would have to go against flying, psychic or fairy and for normal you would go against fighting. The problem I see is picking a psychic, electric or dragon type only to do zero damage to your rival
to get around the trade evos, the player's rival could be like a gamer or a computer scientist, have a porygon as a starter, and make it hold a linking cord which the rival could gift the player after a battle or something
@mapeus I couldn't agree more trade evolution is the worst mechanic in these games and makes older games impossible to 100% without owning 2 consoles at now.
I was in a pokemon fusion nuzlocke and believed this, so my stufful was oneshoted by a lvl 5 ralts who used confusion. Turns out in gen 7 ralts learns that in lvl 4 :(
18:46 - Good point there, Michael. But counter argument, I mean it's going to be difficult with Cosmog's moveset, but it's going to be worth it, because it's going to evolve into a box legendary. I'd love a legendary as my starter, please and thank you🤣
Btw i just realized that WHY DOES SLAKING HAVE THE STATS OF A LEGENDARY EVEN THOUGH IT IS NOT A LEGENDARY BUT REGIGIGAS WHO IS A LEGENDARY WHO CAN FU***** PULL CONTINENTS BUT HAS THAT GARBAGE ABILITY BRO THE FIGHT IS GONNA BE OVER BEFORE HE CAN USE HIS FULL POWER (i know why slaking is so powerful because if not with that ability it would become a garbage pokemon that is why it is so powerful)
22:08 beldum's only move isn't tackle, it's takedown. I know because I've used beldums as starters multiple times for various reasons, and only having an 85% accurate recoiil move is a nightmare... I would not recommend beldum as a starter, but would probably still pick it again.
yeah that got changed man. I know what you mean though because I've used a starter beldum with only take down many times but if he said it was true then please fact check before posting a comment.
They must've changed Beldum's Level 1 move from Take Down to Tackle sometime after Gen 4 then. Cause up to that point, that single 85% accurate, Recoil move was the only thing on it's starting moveset. Though i could've sworn it eventually learned Confusion.... I've done a lot of solo challenge runs with a lot of Gen 3 'mons
@@danikirk5774 Metang learns confusion and metal claw pretty quick, evolving at level 20. Beldum has only ever had 1 move, though apparently the move changed in Galar (gen 8).
I have to argue against any trade evolutions. A starter should be a pokemon that can stick with a trainer for life, so trade evolutions should be instant disqualifiers.
Facts that is also part of the reason pseudos haven't been that good in the competitive the last few gets (and yes the other reason is fairy types) they are built to be Swiss army knives or jack of all trades which is just not good as now they have all these stat points that amount to nothing like having 90 Sp. Atk means nothing with your Atk stat is like 120, could easily but most of those points from Sp. Atk into Atk or Speed Like look at Ultra Beasts or Paradox mons they are very much optimized and most are very good in competitive
They aren't useless, like at all. Salamance do like running draco meteors or fire blast on occasion. It being mixed allows for extra utility that Haxorus doesn't bring
Friendship evolution way back then was a real pain in the butt back in the day. Fortunately nowadays it’s much easier to friendship evolve most Pokemon that need it.
I mean, walking/moving around a bunch wasn't that difficult. And as long as you kept your Pokemon from Fainting, your friendship never went down. Toss them in for a round or two/switch train them, and you hit max friendship quickly. I get most Friendship evolutions by level 20-30 if I catch them on early routes (looking at zubat)
Honestly was just gonna skip through (As I've never seen you before) but in the quick little bursts of video I was seeing as I was skipping, you were entertaining enough that not only did I watch all the way through, I'll also be subscribing ^.^ You're hilarious, bro, and your video is very high-quality. keep doing you.
Agreed. Personally I’m never touching shinx on this list if I played this hypothetical game a million times. I would pick mareep quite a bit. But that’s just me I’m sure Shinx has a billion fans
I'm slightly inclined to ampharos but I also like shinx and flaafy. Both shinx and mareep are available as starters in the mystery dungeon games which is something. Also its really funny/silly/clunky how the term is "first partner pokmon" which is kinda a facepalm
Here's the starter I would choose for each type using existing Pokemon. Bug: Blipbug Dark: Galarian Zigzagoon Dragon: Bagon (for vibes) or Gible (for evolution levels) Electric: Mareep or Shinx Fairy: Flabebe (for pure Fairy type, first evolution level, and stats) or Tinkatink (for level up all the way through) Fighting: Mankey Fire: Magby Ghost: Gastly Grass: Budew Ground: Trapinch (for vibes) or Sandile (for evolution levels) Ice: Swinub Normal: Lillipup Poison: Zubat Psychic: Mime Jr. with Galarian evolutions (for evolving via level up all the way through and having its first evolution effectively be a teen level evolution in Gens 6 and 7) or Abra (for evolving earlier overall) Rock: Rolycoly Steel: Beldum (for being the most rewarding to reach its final form), Tinkatink (for having the best overall evolution levels of the three), or Aron (for its final form having a base stat total exactly within the target range) Water: Tympole
3:14 YOOOOO, I'm so happy you went with this choice! I know Vikavolt is one of your favorite, so I thought you were gonna choose it (I love it too don't get me wrong) and I love Orbeetle so much.
im actually glad you decided to give the three stage evolution rule. while sandshrew on surface seems like an ideal starter, its actually really overpowered once you teach it a few tms to compliment his moveset and stats. just finished playing scarlet and the lil guy literally carried me through the entire game (ghost gym did give me a lot of trouble as his only backup was skellidirge)
8:58 shinx is my favorite 3-stage electric line. Follows starter rule of starting cute, gets to end looking awesome, and doesn't have awkward middle phase that is sadly too common in 3-stage lines
I'm so happy Mr. Mime's line made the cut. I've loved Mr. Mime since Pokémon Yellow when you traded for him and his nickname was Miles. I still name my Mr. Mime's "Miles" in remembrance of my childhood lol.
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17:27 fun fact in gen 5 speedruns, it's actually a pretty common strategy to ditch the starter for a Lillipup because it weighs less than the other starters but is close to starter stats and level up, so the animation when you send it out is faster with minimal difficulty raise.
So people have already been using Lillipup as a normal type starter in Generation 5 Speedruns
That's really interesting! I'm a gen 5 loving girl, and I've always been fond of using a Lillipup, at least for the early portion bc of the good attack stat coupled with 50 (75 stab) power tackle, but never really looked into speedruns of the game, thanks for sharing!
Well, I think only Emboar is faring better than Lillipup. The gen5 starters really arent that good and Stoutlands stats are JUST good enough to stampede over the games.
I thought it was because Stoutland weighed *more*, and that way it falls to the ground faster?
@@shimogane2474even if serperior was grass dragon:)
@@redox4604 They are talking about the early game bfr lillipup evolves. Pokemon speedruns are so amazing.
Would arguably say that Sandile wins the vibes for ground, based on the cute starter turning to a grumpy teenager, then to a badass final form
Krookodile is just Sandile but bigger and stands upright with different colored scales
@@theamazingspooderman2697Yeah, and?
@@addison_v_ertisement1678 so its lazy?
@@theamazingspooderman2697 It's the same thing with the Charmander line. Also, it's not magically bad just because it didn't take much effort.
@@addison_v_ertisement1678 Charmander doesn't have wings, Charizard does so the comparison is not the same
I'm just saying its lazy, like Pawmot
13:30 Imagine: You get whatever gym badge matches the mid 30s. Suddenly you’re interrupted by an old woman who tells you about her past. She talks about how she once pranked a trainer years ago by giving her haunter an everstone before trading it. She then gives the player a link cable to atone for her sins. Mindy redemption arc.
Damn that'd be awesome
That would be the greatest thing Pokémon could do
no, just NO! the heathen Mindy does not deserve penance, only eternal damnation!
You’re really stretching a little bit to assume MINDY of all people would actually do this. Freaking Gaspar the Haunter holding an EVERSTONE!!!
You’re really stretching a little bit to assume MINDY of all people would actually do this. Freaking Gaspar the Haunter holding an EVERSTONE!!!
Dude, friendship evolution is PERFECT for a starter, could even do a plotline where the rival is like Paul, also has one, and fails to evolve his starter, then something like Oaks line to Blue is amazing
I really like that idea. It's been a while since we've had a rival who is just a straight-up jerk
That’s kind of similar to Silver, it doesn’t involve his starter but he has a Golbat for most of his battles except for the multi battle with Lance and Clair and the Indigo Plateau rematches where it finally evolved into Crobat, actually showing he actually grew as a trainer and started caring for his pokemon like he said he would
Paul?
@@iDontReallyKnowTbh guy in the anime
@@Jlaps941and yet almost all the genocidal Maniacs have one
Me when I try to justify not liking someone even though they've done nothing to me personally: "Wait! Vibes!"
no fr
Sorry tinkaton, but your vibes aren't vibing
humans are _really_ good at picking up vibes, or at least the smart ones are, so you should pay attention to them!
Paranoia disguised as some form of supernatural phenomenon.
@@Madamoizillion yeah not liking someone isn't an excuse to be a jackass just avoiding them is the best way to go about it
The fact that there's no 3 stage fighting types that evolve solely through leveling is insane!
In 9 gens, not 1 single Pokémon?! How?!
I mean, Mankey -> Anihillape is *technically* a leveling thing, but with an additional requirement that can be completed by battling (using "Rage fist" a certain number of times and then leveling up), so... Maybe that counts? But otherwise yeah that's kinda wild to think about
We needed 75 more 2-stage water type, so there was no space for them...
@@Beregorn88 yup
Yea because Mankey is a Normal type and Primeape is fighting then Anihleape is fighting ghost
@@alexnacinovic3812 Mankey isn't normal type...
Man, please don’t do this. Hop is going to have a stroke trying to pick his starter if this were true.
Normal type starter VS Hop
Definely
No he always picks the Pokémon weak to yours 😂
i also stroked to this video no pause
@@-BenGaming-and if you pick a normal type?
honestly friendship evolution with starters would be a cute idea that really shows how close you get with your starter across your journey
As someone interested in game design, I LOVE how you actually consider all the elements of balancing and making it fun for the player.
Level Of ViolencE or love?
-an Undertale fan reading this (me)
@@Admire-the-Sire Deltarune fan and Undertale enjoyer here. Not everyone is an undertale fan💀💀💀
@@speedattack Undertale and deltarune fan here responding to a response to my comment. I know this and it’s a joke.
I love how some of these are already kind of "psuedo starters" of being exceptionally strong early route Pokemon that can really bolster your team.
Primeape also learns Rage Fist at level 35 in SV, so it mostly fits inside the starter evolution level range in this case (level 36 evolution if you do the requirement immediately)
it counts if you use rage fist on a normal type so you can get your primape to beat up the nearest pidgey or rattata at the first route and go on with your life
0:25 bro forgot rock type
Because he loves poison twice than rock....?
@@Kraj-d2gyou mean he put poison twice
poison > rock
@@stuffymonster394he means what he said. you lack the ability to grasp the joke.
I would really argue for aron/aggron. It has poor evolution levels, but aggron's BST at 530 lands perfectly in the starter range. It also starts rather diminutive and becomes imposing in its vibes later.
It also evlpves before metagross at level 42 so I don't know why its ok for mettagross to evolve at level 45 with beldum only knowing tackle but aron cant evolve at level 42
Klink would get a shout for pure types too, but aron just looks right aesthetically
@@Mi-le9ppBecause Aron doesn't have its first evolution until level 32 compared to Beldum having its first evolution at level 20. This means Aron's average evolution level is 37 while Beldum's average evolution level is only 32.5.
But it's more fair for the player@@Mi-le9pp
But the vibes@@greninjamariokartpokemonfan
“Vibes! Trapinch!” Had me DYINGGGGGG
The disrespect to flygon is crazy
So true
Honestly
So the Dragon type starter is just Salamance. The Salamance type meme is still alive.
“Haha Trainer Face me and my dragon types”
“Oh yeah? well I have a Salamance type!”
“A what now- AUGH”
Palkias true weakness: Salamence type pokemon
I could really use a Salamence right about now…
@@donovan802"T-this, this is what we Get after Bullying Palkia so much..."
Glad I have salamence in my violet team :D
I have a concept for a starter trio, I liked how the gen 6 starters were based on the typical RPG classes as it gave them a unique identity to them compared to other starters, so I came up with one that is based on the typical MMO rolls (for the record I don't play MMO's I just know these are the typical architypes they have) the healer, the DPS, and the tank
The Grass starter would be the healer, it would be grass fairy, it's stats would be sort of a jack of all trades with decent bulk, offense (not attack though), and speed, with its move pool being dominated by moves that help it heal both itself with moves like leech seed or giga drain, and its teammates with heal pulse, wish and it's signature move I call Natures Blessing which allows it to heal either its teammate in a double battle, or any Pokémon in your party not on the field (just not itself) I feel this would make it an effective healer but I would also give it energy ball and dazzling gleam (not moon blast cuz I don't want to make it too powerful offensively) so it can play offense if needed it just wouldn't be as proficient in it, its hidden ability would be healer
The Fire starter would be the DPS, it would be fire fighting (it's not that overused anymore) and it would be a typical glass cannon, having high attack, special attack, and speed, but with poor bulk all around, it would be proficient in both physical and special attacks, and its signature move blazing strike would be a fire type Mach punch, its hidden ability would be iron fist
The Water starter would be the tank, it would be water steel, and it would have great HP, defense, and special defense, but poor offense and speed, it would have moves like recover and aqua ring to help it stay alive, and moves to help it wear down opponents like toxic (despite fewer Pokémon being able to learn it now) whirlpool, and its signature move, Seafoam Spray which deals a little damage and lowers the opponents attack and special attack by one stage, it would be a dedicated staller essentially, it can take hits and heal itself, but can't really deal direct damage, and it would have follow me as the tank's role in an MMO is to get the enemy's attention on themself and away from their teammates, its hidden ability would be filter
I love how you unintentionally(?) set up the fairy starter trainer to have an eternal grudge with the flying starter trainer lol
If you pick fairy the rival will pick corviknight no matter what
I am 101 I have power
@@madhart6412 And vice-versa
Heehhee pink creature go CLONK
This is actually something ive wanted to see in a pokemon game.
Just imagine the replayability if you have 18 types of starters to choose from
There is a pokemon fan game like that called This gym of mine, where you can pick three different starters from every single type.
try pokerouge
Especially if they were all new pokemon.
@@rockowlgamer631 if that was the case we are going to be waiting for the next 7 years
@@sebia1238good, maybe the games will actually be polished if we wait that long. Tears of the kingdom was a god damn masterpiece that’s a miracle considering it’s on switch. Imagine if we got a TOTK-quality pokemon game. But we won’t because of that 3 year rule.
Edit: full nat Dex could be a possibility if the devs were given time, which addresses two of the biggest complaints with modern pokemon games
12:24
the way this was worded makes me imagine a corvisquire evolving into a tornadous and its way too funny to me
Picturing a fairly normal bird pokemon becoming a humanoid genie thing is quite funny lol
@@NovumDoesObservation just imagine it evolves into the threrian forme
Same
@@inscritogratis5693 Incarnate is way funnier tho
digimon anh
Shinx being the electric starter makes sense since litten and sprigatito already exist, so the starter cat quartet is only missing a water type cat
I think it’s thematic/funny that there isn’t a water type cat starter, because of the stereotype that cats hate water.
'Can you guess how many fighting types start at base?'
Jokingly: Three
"Its three."
😮😮😮
I was guessing 2. I forgot that Mankey counted now. It's weird how imbalanced some of these types are.
@@solitare4602 I, meanwhile, guessed the three lines dead-on. So proud of myself for remembering the Machop, Mankey, and Timburr lines.
I said one 😂 I could only think of machop
@@solitare4602I guessed 2 as well. I got Machop and Mankey, forgot of Timburr.
I guessed three or four. I didn't realize it was this bad.
Mikey’s childhood dreams have both Hoenn puedos on the list. The glory of having a metagross, flygon, Salamance as options right off the bat.
Flygon it's not a pseudo
@@blacksheep7741he never said it was
@@blacksheep7741salamence and metagross is.
@@rein_k. Nuh uhs you are wrongs
@@JerdMcLean nuh uh, you are🙄
Funny to have Mikey explaining that Beldum could be changed from only learning Tackle while I'm googling when Beldum was changed from only learning Take Down. (Gen VIII, by the way)
Just give it Confusion and Metal Claw at levels 10 and 15 and you're good.
I've played unbound with pseudos as starters and they just gave beldum a steel type version of tackle, flash and actual tackle for its move set
Yeah, realistically you'd just modify the moveset like in Unbound, seems fine to me
I was thinking the same thing. "Like Beldum would be horrible only knowing Take Down. Huh, what's that? Tackle you say? When!?"
That made shiny hunting it so much easier. Not have to worry about a recoil move on something with an abysmal rate so you can’t swipe it.
I watched this on my TV but actually had to pull it up on my phone so that I could comment how much I loved this video. Super creative concept and really fun to watch! I wish there would've been a little review at the end, though, showing all of the starters you picked on the screen at once. If you did that and I looked away at the time, then I look really dumb right now.
I remember my surprise when my Zubat evolved into Golbat, then leveled up ONCE and became Crobat. Absolutely amazing.
it is pretty easy for that to happen if you have Zubat as your team lead and withdraw it whenever it is at disadvantage. Golbat is good for the level it evolves so in 3 levels max you get Crobat, which is a beast
-picks ghost
-majority of early game enemies cant hit me because of them only knowing normal moves
But that also goes both ways.... at least in early Gens... I started an Inclament Emerald run with a Ghastly..... i couldn't get past the first fight after my rival, since I only had Lick as an offensive move and didn't have any other way of dealing damage.
what is this 4 chan ass comment 😭😭
Ghost is tricky in early game, yes. Luckily, there are Bite, Peck, Lick, Poison Sting, Odor Sleuth and Foresight to put in early game if ghost starters were a thing as well as 40 bp moves from most types.
Hmmm interesting
@@danikirk5774imagine
“VIBES… TRAPINCH” I’m dead, great choice tho
“Or it’s Slaking being as strong as Groudon but with a garbage ability” I don’t know why, but I just find that funny
I was rooting for Flygon ... Because it's friendly vibes goes with the starters .. and I want one😊
Yeah that guy has vibes
I think that he still could've gone with Slakoth, though.
Not gonna lie, having starters who have two different evolution line would actually be really cool
It's also important to remember that some types have a specific 'characteristic' to their leveling and evolution. Rock types are generally slow rollers, evolving pretty late. Bug types evolve very early, with a low top end to their stats. Some types just aren't meant for low level trainers.
Hey Mikey, here’s the thing about Starter Pokémon: they get a head start on friendship values! So, the friendship evolutions aren’t that problematic.
The 3rd stages would be problematic as they'd evolve too early (but with a regular starting friendship value it's fine - which is why Zubat was chosen) - but if you crank it up high enough, it might work
@@mapeus Yeah, especially since Crobat is easy enough to get before the second gym.
@@mapeus yeah, my Golbat always evolves at lvl 23 or lvl 25, no matter the game
@@theamazingspooderman2697 that is strange mine evolve at 35, still crobat is good
Baby Pokwmon especially are. So if they would evovle by a few levels
I would really only change one, that being Psychic into Ralts, purely because it’d be a super fun gimmick to have a starter be able to choose its final form.
and technically ralts is already a starter, that of wally.
@@drakephysecron6775 And I think the whole Wally and Ralts thing is one of the most charming moments in all of pokemon.
Gallade requires a Dawn Stone to evolve and only a male Ralts can become one.
I would put Ralts as the fairy starter to free up tinkatink for steel starter
@@crazychristopher1989 You could always change it so that either gender can become Gallade and have a forced story interaction that gives you a Dawn Stone.
Michael, talking about Axew line evo levels: "This is disgustingly high!"
Me: Welcome to Unova, pal. Buckle up.
"Hmm, we should make Flying strong against Fighting."
'Okay, but only if we can make them all Normal too so the weakness doesn't matter.'
I always thought flying was weak to fighting and vice versa, but it was just the normal type gimping them???
@@hellboy19991 The game was rigged from the start.
@@TheTolnoc flying was never even a player
4:57
Mikey: "and by the end it's a..."
Me "a KISS member!"
Mikey "... A... Furry😅"
Me "... Or that, I guess😅"
Bro I was about to comment he same, but now I don´t want to post the same comment
Well the others aren't members of KISS. He was saying that Zigzagoon (Galar) is like the other starters where they start as small quadroped babies, and turn into bipedal furry bait.
I said "it's just a guy" 😂
@@cTc10691 Well, you aren't wrong 😂
Hey sometimes even furries want to rock'n roll all nite🤘
5:01 the Dragon segment really puts into perspective how bad the Type gets it outside of competitive. Barely any Primary Dragon Type Pokémon that aren’t Psuedo Legendary, Mythical, or Legendary, with some of them feeling like Dragon should be the secondary type, like with Altaria and Tatsugiri, and the only regular Primary Dragon Type Pokémon evolution line, Axew’s, still struggles as much as a Psuedo Legendary with evolution levels, but still levels up just as slowly!
I also agree with Mikey that Haxorus should have Pseudo stats! It’s literally already a point faster than the actual psuedo of Unova, Hydreigon. Put more points into the speed and attack and make Haxorus a physical sweeper compared to Hydreigon’s special orientation.
@@dinodude8899I’d actually argue Haxorus should keep the stats it has but have it’s evolution levels reduced and/or change it’s XP group to be faster. We need more dragons with a bit quicker evolutions
I'm surprised he didn't consider Goomy for the Dragon pick...
I get the feeling that Haxorus was originally intended to be the pseudo legendary for Gen 5, before being dropped in favour of Hydreigon. Unfortunately the evolution levels and level speed remained those of a pseudo legendary's, without the power of one.
@@MilkshakeVA the Rain evolution kinda screws over Goomy.
I appreciate how in the thumbnail they're organised by their internal ID
I think the evolution methods should be hand waved a lot more, because as you said, there is a large precedent for evolution methods changing between generations. Axew would be a literally perfect dragon type starter, so I think it is a very minor issue that it evolves at a higher level, cause that level could just be lower
Gengar still being a trade evolution is a crime against humanity
Have you guys seen tn kid on TH-cam dont ask but type 2 August 2024
Trade evolution is a slap to the face as it is. Imagine losing your Pokémon just to make it finally evolve to it's final form. Bullshit!
We all agree
I totally agree with you on that. It just doesn't hurt me more cuz Haunter is my favourite Pokemon. Don't know how much of it is bc I like his appearance on the anime or the fact I was stuck with it cuz trade.
True very true
Every time i catch a zubat early on in my playthrough it almost always evolves to crobat directly after evolving to golbat bc of how much friendship it gets up to that point
Yeah, any friendship requirement for third stages can be ignored. You are usually at max friendship with your starter before 30, or get it during 30s.
Same. I don't use zubat that much, but this one time I got one around the second gym (Pokemon Ruby), it evolved into Golbat a while after, then 2 levels later it was a Crobat
This video is so cool! This is what I imagine the starters would be for trainers of a specific type, like phychic type trainers or ghost type trainers, ect. Really cool concept and I would love to see this implimented into a game where you could choose what type of trainer you want to be and can only catch pokemon with that specific type in their evolutionary line instead of trying to "catch them all" That would definitely be more realistic when you look at all the NPCs in the games
“I’m sorry, this one sucked” lmaoooo 15:12
Smith!!
It did suck xD
"But its evolution levels are tge *disgusting* 50 and 60"
The way he said it had me dying
i wish there was a sandbox mode after you beat the main game, like a second save file, where you can choose all your pokemon, choose levels, IVs and probably more stuff, bascially you can do whatever you want so you can make any pokemon your starter!
I’d also love a challenge mode for the players who want a challenge. Every trainer uses held items and has properly trained Pokemon at some point in the story.
There are Randomizers, for both of those situation, for most games. I know the Randomizer for the newest game, Scarlet and Violet for example, let you set if the NPCs will have perfect IVs, smarter AI, held items, full teams of 6, and so on. You can also set to have the Starters Randomized, or you can put in the Dex ID and specifically pick what pokemon shows up. You can even randomize the abilities, types, and move sets of pokemon to really make it crazy and insane.
Pretty sure Randomizers for the older games, let you do even more stuff to fine tune it.
They would have to slap on a big "None of these pokemon can go into home or be traded" sticker on that I imagine
Ever heard of "Pokémon Crystal Clear"?
I’d love to see you come back to this each generation, seeing if any new pokemon would make better starters.
starters having a friendship evolution is actually really neat, and it works pretty well
“Deerling, because it’s an animal with a bit of plant”😂😂😂honestly so glad this video got recommended to me, you’re fucking hilarious😂
Luxray was designed to be an electric type starter Pokemon ⚡
No it wasn’t. It was designed to be a Pokémon
@@大黑陌生人no poop shirlock
It's actually first partner Pokémon
@@SuperbGorilla Shut up they are called starters and will always be called starters
@SuperbGorilla ok... but that name is dumb and starter has been the term longer and is just better
8:58 Shinx is essentially the secondary starter of Legends Arceus. It’s the third non starter you catch and while its bst might be a touch low, the bite moves give it crazy coverage. Starter in the first slot, Shinx in the second. From beginning to end.
10:30 "guess how many evolution lines are fighting all the way through."
Me: 3
"Only 3!"
Me: nice
He said 3 not 6
@@Gummyboypog what?
I had forgotten about Mankey, lol
3 factorial sorry @cakeyeater7392
@@Gummyboypog good one! Lol
This is my favorite take on this idea I’ve seen yet. You’re the only person I’ve seen who’s given decent explanations to their choices. I like how you argued that later evolution lines could be made up by a greater reward like Salamance. Many people seem to miss that haha
Salamence gives a reward besides Base stats. It gives the salemence type lol
Unova: What is a reward for late evolution levels?
Fun fact, there is an exception to this. In Pokemon Go, you can pick between grass, water, fire, and electric. If you walk away from the starters repeatedly, you eventually unlock Pikachu. It is, in fact, real, and I have done it myself.
But what if YOU aren't real?
I actually heard of this when in school, someone walked away from the starters and found Pikachu.
go isn't mainline
I did that.
@@LucianDevine made me chuckle
"Rocks and stones" Rock and stone? ROCK AND STONE LADS!!!!
The worst problem with the balancing of this concept is that most starters have only a normal type move at level 5, so Ghost fully counters all of them in the first fight
As he said multiple times in the video learn sets can be changed so they could all know a stab move at lv 5
@@EVILGORIA i mean If that was The case we better not have rival battles right away because fighting and normal would be horrible picks against your rival's ghost
@@zoneofsan4662 But rival usually picks the super effective type mon. So for fighting, you would have to go against flying, psychic or fairy and for normal you would go against fighting. The problem I see is picking a psychic, electric or dragon type only to do zero damage to your rival
Foresight or sleuth
@@crystaltrees4013 at level 5? Even so, having to use an extra move to even deal damage in the first fight puts everyone else at a disadvantagr
to get around the trade evos, the player's rival could be like a gamer or a computer scientist, have a porygon as a starter, and make it hold a linking cord which the rival could gift the player after a battle or something
Tbh I feel like the trade requirement should just be removed, but that sounds like a funny story beat
@mapeus I couldn't agree more trade evolution is the worst mechanic in these games and makes older games impossible to 100% without owning 2 consoles at now.
Fun fact about ralts, if you pick it starting at level 5 the only move it will have growl.
In gen three, yes
In gen 6 and later this was fixed.
I was in a pokemon fusion nuzlocke and believed this, so my stufful was oneshoted by a lvl 5 ralts who used confusion. Turns out in gen 7 ralts learns that in lvl 4 :(
18:46 - Good point there, Michael. But counter argument, I mean it's going to be difficult with Cosmog's moveset, but it's going to be worth it, because it's going to evolve into a box legendary. I'd love a legendary as my starter, please and thank you🤣
13:07 the way Mikey saids “disgusting” just scratches my brain
He gave it an Astarion twang
Trapinch based on ✨vibes✨ was hysterical 😂
22:46 trapinch, it was my favorite pokemon for a long while
Poor slaking 😂 "or it's slaking being as strong as groudon but with a garbage ability" Got me offguard😂. I feel bad for slaking😂
Btw i just realized that WHY DOES SLAKING HAVE THE STATS OF A LEGENDARY EVEN THOUGH IT IS NOT A LEGENDARY BUT REGIGIGAS WHO IS A LEGENDARY WHO CAN FU***** PULL CONTINENTS BUT HAS THAT GARBAGE ABILITY BRO THE FIGHT IS GONNA BE OVER BEFORE HE CAN USE HIS FULL POWER (i know why slaking is so powerful because if not with that ability it would become a garbage pokemon that is why it is so powerful)
22:08 beldum's only move isn't tackle, it's takedown. I know because I've used beldums as starters multiple times for various reasons, and only having an 85% accurate recoiil move is a nightmare...
I would not recommend beldum as a starter, but would probably still pick it again.
They replaced take down with tackle 3 years ago, clearly you ain’t used him enough
I've played a romhack with pseudos as starters and what they did with beldum was give it a steel type version of tackle, actual tackle, and flash
yeah that got changed man. I know what you mean though because I've used a starter beldum with only take down many times but if he said it was true then please fact check before posting a comment.
They must've changed Beldum's Level 1 move from Take Down to Tackle sometime after Gen 4 then. Cause up to that point, that single 85% accurate, Recoil move was the only thing on it's starting moveset. Though i could've sworn it eventually learned Confusion.... I've done a lot of solo challenge runs with a lot of Gen 3 'mons
@@danikirk5774 Metang learns confusion and metal claw pretty quick, evolving at level 20. Beldum has only ever had 1 move, though apparently the move changed in Galar (gen 8).
15:00 "Wait! Vibes!" Made me laugh out loud.
The pokemon mystery dungeon games have shown their own attempts at something like this for the starter pokemon you can choose!
I have to argue against any trade evolutions. A starter should be a pokemon that can stick with a trainer for life, so trade evolutions should be instant disqualifiers.
I really love these videos where you carefully go through all your criteria. It's how my brain works too lol.
I love the Axew line so much, and I cried so many tears when I found out they weren’t pseudo legends. LIKE WHY
bro actually cried over a pokemon lmao
@@theamazingspooderman2697He was probably a kid, chill bro
@@simonrespeto even as a kid, who cries over a pokemon? you have to have no friends or be way too sensitive even as a kid to cry over a pokemon
@@theamazingspooderman2697 I mean it's a cute little dragon, and they took something away from it
@@theamazingspooderman2697 Who's the edgy boi, who's the edgy boi? That's right, you are.
Haxorus may have 60 less BST but 50 of them are Special Attack, and since mixed ist mostly useless, its almost the same in the end.
Rare to read that. But that is absolutely right!
Facts that is also part of the reason pseudos haven't been that good in the competitive the last few gets (and yes the other reason is fairy types) they are built to be Swiss army knives or jack of all trades which is just not good as now they have all these stat points that amount to nothing like having 90 Sp. Atk means nothing with your Atk stat is like 120, could easily but most of those points from Sp. Atk into Atk or Speed
Like look at Ultra Beasts or Paradox mons they are very much optimized and most are very good in competitive
They aren't useless, like at all. Salamance do like running draco meteors or fire blast on occasion. It being mixed allows for extra utility that Haxorus doesn't bring
@@mohammadmuriePheromosa haa 130+ in both attacking stats and is one of the few tht are actually banned
This video was so inspiring. I actually used it too pick a starter myself in some my own stories
You could say if you choose the steel starter you'll have a "hard" start, but end up with and an absolute "machine"
Literally 🤣
Brilliant joke, mate
I’ll have to “steel” this joke.
Shame it has some flaws to *iron* out. By trainers with *metal* can *forge* a path to victory.
@@alphabladelm2011 you get it
0:25 I just realized that rock is missing and there are two poison’s
😂😂
Friendship evolution way back then was a real pain in the butt back in the day.
Fortunately nowadays it’s much easier to friendship evolve most Pokemon that need it.
I mean, walking/moving around a bunch wasn't that difficult. And as long as you kept your Pokemon from Fainting, your friendship never went down. Toss them in for a round or two/switch train them, and you hit max friendship quickly.
I get most Friendship evolutions by level 20-30 if I catch them on early routes (looking at zubat)
Honestly was just gonna skip through (As I've never seen you before) but in the quick little bursts of video I was seeing as I was skipping, you were entertaining enough that not only did I watch all the way through, I'll also be subscribing ^.^ You're hilarious, bro, and your video is very high-quality. keep doing you.
Electric: I get choosing Luxray for the BST, but Ampharos definitely has better starter vibes.
Agreed. Personally I’m never touching shinx on this list if I played this hypothetical game a million times. I would pick mareep quite a bit. But that’s just me I’m sure Shinx has a billion fans
@@cameronschmit6472 ampharos also gets a mega which starters are all getting these days
I think they both have starter vibes- the luxray line is like what people hoped out of the litten and sprigatito lines
I'm slightly inclined to ampharos but I also like shinx and flaafy.
Both shinx and mareep are available as starters in the mystery dungeon games which is something.
Also its really funny/silly/clunky how the term is "first partner pokmon" which is kinda a facepalm
This is actually very well thought out.
Your “just vibes man” *smile* has officially made me a fan. Like i stan fr fr now.
Here's the starter I would choose for each type using existing Pokemon.
Bug: Blipbug
Dark: Galarian Zigzagoon
Dragon: Bagon (for vibes) or Gible (for evolution levels)
Electric: Mareep or Shinx
Fairy: Flabebe (for pure Fairy type, first evolution level, and stats) or Tinkatink (for level up all the way through)
Fighting: Mankey
Fire: Magby
Ghost: Gastly
Grass: Budew
Ground: Trapinch (for vibes) or Sandile (for evolution levels)
Ice: Swinub
Normal: Lillipup
Poison: Zubat
Psychic: Mime Jr. with Galarian evolutions (for evolving via level up all the way through and having its first evolution effectively be a teen level evolution in Gens 6 and 7) or Abra (for evolving earlier overall)
Rock: Rolycoly
Steel: Beldum (for being the most rewarding to reach its final form), Tinkatink (for having the best overall evolution levels of the three), or Aron (for its final form having a base stat total exactly within the target range)
Water: Tympole
"my new game, my rules" got me cracking 😂😂😂
immense work on the text/graphics, that must have taken a lot of patience and they’re very clear and thorough
Michael is cool.
Thank you
Yes he is
@@michaelshalkowski5225No probably
İ actually sorta recommended this idea as a referans to nexomon
He's also pretty smart. He says a lot of things that I agree with.
I appreciate you Mike for doing sooooo much research for this
3:14 YOOOOO, I'm so happy you went with this choice! I know Vikavolt is one of your favorite, so I thought you were gonna choose it (I love it too don't get me wrong) and I love Orbeetle so much.
I like Orbeetle too, but I stand by Leavanny being amazing, perfect, and having the starter vibes
The best choice would obviously be tera type Incineroar.
Ah yes, the terror of VGC.
“Do you know how many 3 stage fighting types there are?”
Yeah Timburr and Machamp
So glad Mankey made it. Annihilape is my favorite pokemon.
Absolutely loved this! It’ll always amaze me how rare it is for various Pokémon to fit well into the starter role. Definitely picking Trapinch!
I was really hoping that Michael was gonna pick applin as the dragon type just for the fun of it
Take your "free Fan-game ideas" ticket! Thank you for pushing creativity, MAndJTV!
im actually glad you decided to give the three stage evolution rule. while sandshrew on surface seems like an ideal starter, its actually really overpowered once you teach it a few tms to compliment his moveset and stats. just finished playing scarlet and the lil guy literally carried me through the entire game (ghost gym did give me a lot of trouble as his only backup was skellidirge)
“How do I choose? 😭”
“Oh wait! Vibes!”
8:58 shinx is my favorite 3-stage electric line. Follows starter rule of starting cute, gets to end looking awesome, and doesn't have awkward middle phase that is sadly too common in 3-stage lines
At this point do we need to say he's gonna change the thumbnail
Love the Poké Balls in the thumbnail and how they correspond to a type each
I'm so happy Mr. Mime's line made the cut. I've loved Mr. Mime since Pokémon Yellow when you traded for him and his nickname was Miles. I still name my Mr. Mime's "Miles" in remembrance of my childhood lol.
- A Ponyta!
- .... Not a fire type!
- Galarian ponyta!
- It doesnt evolve enough times!
- ... any horse is fine
so we need a new horse pokemon😉
@@MagnakayViolet If we follow the trend of Fire starters being the Chinese zodiac, we still need a Fire Horse starter.
@@hayleybartek8643 plz let that theory die already
@@MagnakayViolet exactly!
That wide eyed camera shake when Mikey sighed after “Tackle” for bedum 😂
Mudkip, no explanation needed.
Love how the reason Cosmog was eliminated was because of the moveset, no other reason why it shouldn't be a starter
Ikr. Nah, it evolving into a whole legendary isn’t part of the reason, it’s just the moveset 😂
Picking Tinkaton for the Fairy type starter then immediately after going with Corviknight was perfect, it shot it out of THE SKY!!
Garchomp: Oh this is some bull**it I was Cynthia’s starter !
Flygon: *sitting across the table giving Garchomp two birds*
I love the idea of this for one basic reason: mono type runs.