The problem with HR is that they are there to protect the company not the employee. VERY FEW will go to bat for an employee against a company and support an employee IF and only if it is in the interest of the company.
It's the both the charge nurse and the unit manager. I had to shared my concerns with the educator, the nurse recruiter even my mentor. Turns out the educator was part of it also and the recruiter did not give two cents. I was fired.
Unfortunately that is not uncommon. It seems like in a bullying situation people become part of it to protect themselves so they won't be a target in the future. It is so insidious!
I’ve got to say this isn’t good advice. Most cases including my own the victim is at the bottom of the hierarchy and so it is impossible to remove a bully from that position. Sorry.
This has been my experience in an academic setting. My professors were covert bullies. They sided with them while they sabotaged my transfer admission. nobody believes me bwcause they know so many people and i'm just a guy with no friends trying to get a degree. it's humiliating not having control of my own life because people decided i am a target.
Try the restaurant biz, high-school goonville, protected and encouraged by the celebrity chef, himself a narcissist. Taking my marching from morons is impossible.
Getting rid of a nurse bully is a group effort usually. Bullies are quick to play a victim card. Even act threatening to sure or cause labor board issues. I started my career in a unit (believe it or not I was given a choice) where bullying was absolutely forbidden. We all advocated against it and if someone came on that tried they were promptly reported and spoken to by the manager. The other unit was a different story and there was a team of 3 mean girls who were also their managers favorites for some reason. They would give out terrible assignments to nurse floated over to them which of course made them resist floating there, and travelers were totally screwed. travelers had to float first and one of them that was usually with us cried when they floated her over to that unit for the shift. They weren't the greatest nurses either but made their reputation by criticizing others and the manager fell for that tactic. One of the nurses there told me she saw one of them give a medication without cleaning the port and I asked about reporting it and she was horrified and afraid to. "No way." in another incident (long story short) a patient died from neglect of one of the mean golden girls and the CNA that caught it and tried to get care for the patient was fired. Go figure. I was SO glad I didn't have to work for them, but they were adjacent to us in our small hospital so we always knew what was going on. I was a manager for 4 years and also intercepted bullies and made sure they understood it was a deal breaker and zero tolerance. I also had no turnover in that time and all my hires stayed.
That's awful to hear those horror stories. Workplace bullying and incivility in healthcare has, in fact, led to medical errors and, in some cases, death. There's definitely data to support that. Kudos to you for creating a culture where bullying isn't tolerated.
Going to HR is a waste of time, HR ultimately are employed and paid by the company and most of the bullying I've both been the recipient of and also seen with others has come from someone in management or senior positions within the company, and going to HR or management is a complete waste of time, I am yet to see HR side with and help an employee who is being bullied. If you look at it your going to the bully and their minion accomplisas to investigate and do something about the bullying your actually accessing them of, how does that make sense? It doesn't. Whistle blow them on a public social media platform or journalist, make a public issue out of it and watch them run and hide once that spotlight they have actively worked around and avoided is all of a sudden cast on them without an ability to escape it, let people know who these individuals are, who these companies are and what they are doing to people. Workplace bullying is out of control and it's going to take people to stand strong and stand up to bullies before politicians and companies start taking this seriously, people are being pushed to the point of developing depression, suicide, not being able to function, losing their ability to support themselves and/or their families, it's just wrong and these people need to be held accountable
I say it to leaders all the time to document everything once you sense an issue with an employee. Everything they do that is disruptive. I'll say the same thing to employees - if you are being bullied or witnessing bad behavior from others, DOCUMENT. Start a documentation of everything this bully is doing - to you, to others, to patients. Dates, times, and location - When, what time, and where did the incident take place? Incident - Describe the incident as objectively as possible. Keep all opinions out! Any witnesses - Who was present when the incident occurred? Note - it doesn’t matter if the witness also documents. Including witnesses in your documentation lends credibility. Verbatim comments - Let’s say your nurse said to your newest nurses, “Listen here, bitches. You just took away our overtime”, include these exact words (Yes. True example). Any action that has already been taken - If you’ve had a conversation, including the details, especially if you’ve already addressed the behavior in the past. And if you can link it to patient safety, which most cases you can since it's a distraction to everyone on the care team and takes away from patient care, then absolutely include that. If you have full proof documentation and more than one incident, you should have a much better chance of getting HR on your side.
Jane is the meanest nurse I’ve ever encountered!!!! or worked with. I’m going to quit my job because of her but I love my job but CAN’T stand working with her. She is relentless!…She shouldn’t never have earned her degree is a nurse. BULLY
If you haven't checked out my website, there are a ton of free resources that can help you deal with your bully. We have scripts you can download and practice to have ready to confront them. I have faith you can do this!
3 ways to catch a bully: 1) be at your workplace when you're off the clock, sneak up, and make your presence known if you overhear a conversation about you, then toss fishing net on top of your bully and club her/him repeatedly 2) ask to check the cameras if anything in your locker or your food has been stolen 3) pay coworkers to drop dimes on her/him; money talks, everything else walks.
Thank you for that input. We've come a long way in recording videos since this video came out. We now use different equipment and film in a different room.
The problem with HR is that they are there to protect the company not the employee. VERY FEW will go to bat for an employee against a company and support an employee IF and only if it is in the interest of the company.
It's the both the charge nurse and the unit manager. I had to shared my concerns with the educator, the nurse recruiter even my mentor. Turns out the educator was part of it also and the recruiter did not give two cents. I was fired.
Oh no! I'm so so sorry to hear this. Should never happen!
Unfortunately that is not uncommon. It seems like in a bullying situation people become part of it to protect themselves so they won't be a target in the future. It is so insidious!
@@ellenemartin Yes!! We need to do better - we are losing really great nurses!
I’ve got to say this isn’t good advice. Most cases including my own the victim is at the bottom of the hierarchy and so it is impossible to remove a bully from that position. Sorry.
This is a safe space - you are entitled to your own opinion. I'm sorry that has been your experience.
This has been my experience in an academic setting. My professors were covert bullies. They sided with them while they sabotaged my transfer admission. nobody believes me bwcause they know so many people and i'm just a guy with no friends trying to get a degree. it's humiliating not having control of my own life because people decided i am a target.
How can you know someone did something before you have a case? Wouldn’t confronting them before building a case cause them to improve their strategy?
I work within Education, it’s rife!
I notice covert bullies use flying monkeys a lot
This happens among teachers. Covert bullies talk about other teachers to parents. They’re usually in with the admin. Don’t follow this advice.
@doctorberkowitz Teaching and nursing are professions dominated by women. This is a passive-aggressive method of attack.
Try the restaurant biz, high-school goonville, protected and encouraged by the celebrity chef, himself a narcissist. Taking my marching from morons is impossible.
Getting rid of a nurse bully is a group effort usually. Bullies are quick to play a victim card. Even act threatening to sure or cause labor board issues.
I started my career in a unit (believe it or not I was given a choice) where bullying was absolutely forbidden. We all advocated against it and if someone came on that tried they were promptly reported and spoken to by the manager. The other unit was a different story and there was a team of 3 mean girls who were also their managers favorites for some reason. They would give out terrible assignments to nurse floated over to them which of course made them resist floating there, and travelers were totally screwed. travelers had to float first and one of them that was usually with us cried when they floated her over to that unit for the shift.
They weren't the greatest nurses either but made their reputation by criticizing others and the manager fell for that tactic. One of the nurses there told me she saw one of them give a medication without cleaning the port and I asked about reporting it and she was horrified and afraid to. "No way." in another incident (long story short) a patient died from neglect of one of the mean golden girls and the CNA that caught it and tried to get care for the patient was fired. Go figure.
I was SO glad I didn't have to work for them, but they were adjacent to us in our small hospital so we always knew what was going on.
I was a manager for 4 years and also intercepted bullies and made sure they understood it was a deal breaker and zero tolerance. I also had no turnover in that time and all my hires stayed.
That's awful to hear those horror stories. Workplace bullying and incivility in healthcare has, in fact, led to medical errors and, in some cases, death. There's definitely data to support that. Kudos to you for creating a culture where bullying isn't tolerated.
Going to HR is a waste of time, HR ultimately are employed and paid by the company and most of the bullying I've both been the recipient of and also seen with others has come from someone in management or senior positions within the company, and going to HR or management is a complete waste of time, I am yet to see HR side with and help an employee who is being bullied. If you look at it your going to the bully and their minion accomplisas to investigate and do something about the bullying your actually accessing them of, how does that make sense? It doesn't. Whistle blow them on a public social media platform or journalist, make a public issue out of it and watch them run and hide once that spotlight they have actively worked around and avoided is all of a sudden cast on them without an ability to escape it, let people know who these individuals are, who these companies are and what they are doing to people. Workplace bullying is out of control and it's going to take people to stand strong and stand up to bullies before politicians and companies start taking this seriously, people are being pushed to the point of developing depression, suicide, not being able to function, losing their ability to support themselves and/or their families, it's just wrong and these people need to be held accountable
I say it to leaders all the time to document everything once you sense an issue with an employee. Everything they do that is disruptive. I'll say the same thing to employees - if you are being bullied or witnessing bad behavior from others, DOCUMENT. Start a documentation of everything this bully is doing - to you, to others, to patients.
Dates, times, and location - When, what time, and where did the incident take place?
Incident - Describe the incident as objectively as possible. Keep all opinions out!
Any witnesses - Who was present when the incident occurred? Note - it doesn’t matter if the witness also documents. Including witnesses in your documentation lends credibility.
Verbatim comments - Let’s say your nurse said to your newest nurses, “Listen here, bitches. You just took away our overtime”, include these exact words (Yes. True example).
Any action that has already been taken - If you’ve had a conversation, including the details, especially if you’ve already addressed the behavior in the past.
And if you can link it to patient safety, which most cases you can since it's a distraction to everyone on the care team and takes away from patient care, then absolutely include that. If you have full proof documentation and more than one incident, you should have a much better chance of getting HR on your side.
Jane is the meanest nurse I’ve ever encountered!!!! or worked with. I’m going to quit my job because of her but I love my job but CAN’T stand working with her. She is relentless!…She shouldn’t never have earned her degree is a nurse. BULLY
Thank you for all the comments but I’m sure this narc nurse will have all the answers. I’m going to quit my job
If you haven't checked out my website, there are a ton of free resources that can help you deal with your bully. We have scripts you can download and practice to have ready to confront them. I have faith you can do this!
3 ways to catch a bully: 1) be at your workplace when you're off the clock, sneak up, and make your presence known if you overhear a conversation about you, then toss fishing net on top of your bully and club her/him repeatedly 2) ask to check the cameras if anything in your locker or your food has been stolen 3) pay coworkers to drop dimes on her/him; money talks, everything else walks.
The room you are in, are too huge.. Not a good sound
Thank you for that input. We've come a long way in recording videos since this video came out. We now use different equipment and film in a different room.