Was Mega Man: The Wily Wars a Good Remake?
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The NES Mega Man games were a huge success on that platform, but do they hold up on the Sega Genesis? This is Mega Man: The Wily Wars.
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Hey! Hope you enjoyed today's video! If you have played The Wily Wars, let me know! Also check out the new streaming channel. I'll be playing many games, including ones starring the blue bomber.
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That Wily Tower thing seems like some really cool extra content! Now that's a real reward for powering through all three games again.
Yeah. It's like playing through high quality fan levels.
I like how the music sounds on the Genesis
This actually introduced me into the series. Some of my friends sent me a bootleg cart of the american Mega Man the wily wars and said it was good, I played it and it was really good, I love the remastered OST.
Was the bootleg a PAL version or Japanese? Either way, I wanted to get a repro cart many years ago.
@@GottaBeFrank it ran in 60hz so i believe it was a japanese cart.
@@sun_man35 The PAL version is region-free and is unoptimized so it can run in 60hz without any problems.
I thought I was going crazy bro 🤣 because I remembered seeing them around when I was a kid. I never played them because I had a SNES. But my local video rental store had one copy. He used to say, "you can't find this no where else." I thought it was just rare when I was a kid. The cover was looking real & everything. But I was a kid (6-8). I'm in my 30's now 😅 but I remembered want to play it so bad when I was a kid. But I didn't have that kinda console.
@@opa-rappathen it probably was the pal
I personally find that Wily Wars controls more precisely than the NES versions of these games, and that's why I prefer playing it over the NES games
I think it looks and sounds nice
I feel like there's something missing from the remakes, but not enough to feel horrible. It reminds me of Super Mario All-Stars, where the games feel different, but still good enough.
My biggest issue with Wily Wars is you CANNOT stack your shots by shooting in quick succession. In the NES version, you could stack the normal shots up to 3 on screen at a time. This made it easier to kill enemies. Also if you try to use Turbo Buttons for the shot on Wily Wars, it won't work because you can't shoot 3 times in a row really fast.
That's just objectively wrong.
The controls are noticeably worse.
@@sidnew2739 --- Like I said, not being able to fire 3 fast shots in a row like the NES games is what threw me off when playing The Wiley Wars.
I love how this is a Remake AND a sequel; the Gameplay was ported and the Graphics remade and the story tells how Dr. Wily sends Mega Man back into the past to refight all his past machines and also builds a Wily Tower filled with these contraptions again aswell. Amazing ❤️
It kinda reminds me of the Donkey Kong Trilogy, but the games are near perfect re-creations.
@@GottaBeFrank I have the Japanese version of MegaMan the wily wars. I have an emulated on an app through my phone. And I absolutely love it...
The best thing about this game is the Wily Tower mode. I love that it gives you the option to choose each weapon and special items from the 3 games to use in between stages. The bosses were fun to fight as well!
Yeah. My only complaint is how short it is. It's such a cool idea to bring in.
Great Video!
Wily Wars has 2 notable gameplay difference from the originals:
In the original Mega Man 1 the room right before the place that forces the use of magnet beam has a weapon energy capsule, going back and forth makes the capsule respawn so you don’t need to get a game over if you don’t have enough Magnet Beam. That capsule doesn’t respawn in Wily Wars.
Getting a game over in the original Mega Man 2 removes all of E-Tanks you collected. That is a big problem during the Wily Machine fight because the second phase is weak to Crash Bombs and the previous level had the Boobeam Trap fight that forces to use all of yours crash bombs. So, you ether fight Wily with the Buster and E-tanks or you a get a game over and fight him with his weakness but with no E-tanks. Wily Wars fix this problem by letting you keep the E-tanks after a game over just like Mega Man 3 onwards.
Also, Mega Man is taller in Wily Wars so that’s probably why you had trouble with that jump in Mega Man 2 Wily fortress 1. The funny thing is that they kept proto man with the same height as the original mega man 3 and he looks so small compared to Mega man.
Okay! I knew I wasn't going crazy! Mega Man is taller in the remake!
There's a few other major changes. There's some delay between you buster shots making it impossible to mash stuff down like you can in the nes versions. Some of the damage tables have also been altered. Some bosses no longer take more than one damage from the buster. This makes some bosses like Cut Man and Quick Man significantly harder to take down buster only.
Not sure about Cut Man, since he has an easy to understand pattern, but I totally get it.
Mega Man in Wily Wars can use his taller sprite as an advantage to use an Item 2 on the floor and get through the one block high wall while also get the 1-up in Heat Man's level.
I'd imagine it was easier to recreate the SFII music on the Genesis because both the Genesis and the arcade version had music that was created with FM synthesis (though with less channels and less impressive sample playback) whereas the NES had a PSG that could produce square and triangle waves as well as noise. The Genesis did have the PSG from the master system in it, but it lacked triangle waves.
The Wily Wars on the genesis mini was actually my first introduction to playing the Megaman games, and I’d say while there are some flaws to it in comparison to the original, I do like it more than the original versions of the first 3 games. I really enjoy coming back to wily tower, that’s definitely the highlight of it for me. The whole remake idea itself with this extra mode is something I would’ve loved to see them also do for 4-6.
Someone already mentioned it, but the Sequel Wars is going to be that Mega Man 4-6 remake. I covered it in the SAGE 2022 video and it's coming along nicely. It even has a fun mini game.
Yeah I’m looking forward to seeing more of that project, it looks very nice so far!
Same
All the art in old games where made with 4:3 and non square pixels in mind, the stretched aspect ratio is the intended look
I thought I'd mention that you can angle the hard knuckle by holding up or down
Oh! Good to know. Thanks.
Something to mention is that they nerfed the hell out of the mega buster in wily wars it can only shoot three pellets but in the originals the buster was faster and could fire indefinetely
It still shot 3, but the pellets moved fast enough to where you can shoot them faster since they either hit the enemy or went off-screen sooner.
@@GottaBeFrank You can run at the same speed as the buster shots in wily level 1-3 with the flowing water, so they won't even leave the screen. That threw me off a bit.
Can't believe you played that many versions of this game. Great video, Frank!
I wasn't expecting to, but it wouldn't feel right to ignore the recent re-releases of it.
For me this always was the best way to introduce yourself into the Megaman games with it's improved graphics, save feature and extra content, the worst thing for me was that it appeared too late, if it appeared earlier perhaps we also could have had a second part with the remaining NES games.
The fact that there's that delay in the jumping and seems like the shooting is slower too. This just ruins the whole game for me. That part in the first stage of Wileys castle where you have to jump on the items, I could never even get past it. On the original NES I could do it like butter.
Mega Man is a little taller in these games. That's why the item jumping part is harder.
Don't forget the abysmal sound-effects!
There's also a fan rom hack of this named "The Sequel Wars" currently in development, which is going to cover 4, 5 and 6
Currently only 4 is out but 5 is set to release soon
Yeah! I played the demo with Mega Man 4 completed on my 2nd channel. It's excellent.
it's so funny that this game and Castlevania Bloodlines are available in more systems than the original Sega Genesis (or the Sega Channel in the case of the US release of Wily Wars) 20+ years later.
I'm really mixed on Wily Wars really liked the graphic makeover the games received BUT MAN the OST is just really weird but at least Wily Tower has it better being original compositions (also yeah SF2 sounds really good on Genesis).
Other of my gripes is that the game runs a bit slower and the fact that you shoot 2 pallets instead of 3.
Also why i'm not surprised that the At Games version just breaks everything without question.
Still is a decent collection and at least Wily Tower is a great final challenge and the references to Journey to the West were amazing and yes i went through the torture of finishing the trilogy (still don't like those tracks) to just play that mode
Good video Frank!
Yeah. There's not enough to where I would call it bad, but there is enough that makes me prefer the originals.
There is an 8-bit demake of Wily Towers with playable Proto Man and Bass and a rebalanced weapons mod (also secret unlockable Mega Man hunters stages and boss fights). It is really good and if you are interested in Wily Towers but don't like the issues the original Wily Wars has, it is the version I recommend. Heck, if I remember correctly, you can even use the weapons of Oil Man and Time Man.
That sounds really cool! I'll have to give it a shot one day.
but the boss music in the wily stages is FIRE though
omg one Sunday i picked up my genesis mini and played through all three (while using save states) and it has become my preferred way to play through the first three. it got me on my mega man brain rot, so it's nice to see some coverage of this port.
I still like NES 4-6 but i'm a big sucker for the 16 bit era, so i prefer the wily wars/All stars over their NES counterparts... but god damn is that slow down an eye sore. never experienced outside of the mini or NSO but it can really lessen the enjoyment if you experince it that way.
I would say the slow down is terrible, but it makes some of the bosses a lot easier. The original release taught me the Yellow Devil's pattern.
There was also another remake of MM1: it’s called Powered Up. Notably, the background revamps in PU are very different from the ones in WW.
Oh yeah. I am very familiar with Mega Man Powered Up.
I'm a little surprised with how many people I've seen complain about the music being "so bad."
Some of it I think actually came out better in this version than the NES, some of it not, and other songs just different. There's a lot of really good things I hear in its music, but it seems that some people just hear the twang & can't hear anything beyond that. I thought they did good overall despite it being on the Genesis.
Some of the instruments in the NES versions' songs sound a bit pitchy to me (many in MM2, some in MM1, not really in MM3).
I think Electric Guitar is typically much noisier & lacking good clarity (how it's usually used, not that it has to be), yet never see mention of that anywhere.
I remember as a kid how disappointed i was that the ghost mode exploit didn't work in MM3 in the Wily Wars
These were the first Megaman games I ever played! Been a fan of the blue bomber ever since
Cool to see you cover these as well! I played Wily Wars back in the dark times, between the original release and the later re-releases via emulation of a romhack of what I think was the JP version that had a lot of unofficial bugfixes, replaced the JP graphics and text with the PAL ones, and got rid of a lot of the slowdowns (but not Yellow Devil, I clearly remember that crawl of a fight LOL). I enjoyed it back in the day, but like you, I always go back to the originals to replay these. I'm with you in that the music was butchered; it's even more obvious how much better it should have been with how many Genesis remixes there are on YT alone of these songs. But hearing that it had such a troubled development, that makes sense; I can see the soundtrack being one of the last things they worked on since it would have just been recomposing the existing songs for the most part.
Interesting and cool to see that Minakuchi Engineering made the remakes, though. Yeah, I only know their game from the World games, but hearing that clicks a lot of things together for Wily Wars because, in a sense, it's a lot of more of the same concep as World 1-4, except they had to stick more true to the OG games.
I didn't expect Wily Wars to be put on NSO. Quite a pleasant surprise.
Yeah. It's worth trying out, if you haven't.
@@GottaBeFrank I really want to, but a week or two ago one of my joycons broke. I'll definitely play it as soon as I get new ones and after I finish X Legacy Collection 2. Also, is there no rapid fire button on NSO?
Nope. No rapid fire.
Ayy you got around to doing the video! As I said I love this game and can’t wait to hear your opinions
This game is a remake done right!
Also people wanted a Mega Man for their Genesis/Mega Drives for a long time.
Also, you should cover The Sequel Wars.
Gotta wait for 5 and 6 to be included.
big fan of the wily wars soundtrack tbh
no this isn't a joke
That's fine. It just wasn't for me.
I know it's all personal opinion but I love the Wily Wars renditions of the original games music.
No worries. It's all a matter of preference.
Same
There are some tracks I prefer myself. I especially like the fact that they added a little extra bit at the start of the Mega Man 2 Wily 1 track.
I’m a seasoned Mega Man Player. Wily Wars Mega Man actually has less onscreen Mega Pellets (3) than he does NES Mega Man, meaning he can’t DPS with his main weapon as well if you’re looking to just run Mega Buster. While I agree it’s a fantastic looking remake, it’s definitely harder than the NES Games. It’s not a port, it’s truly another animal built from the ground up from original code.
Mostly, I only really experienced slow down when there were a lot of sprites on screen (e.g., when the torpedo enemies from Mega Man 1 exploded). Not sure why the programmers didn't limit the sprites, as it can be pretty noticeable. Mostly, it didn't seem to run (much) slower than the NES versions.
are their additional scenes in the Wily Wars versions of these games, or in that Wily Tower additional part of the game, with more text based dialog moments or other aspects of characters speaking or text based narration? I ask because our first video on our channel was adding voice acting to the dialog and narration scenes in the first 3 Megaman games. (with the current video being worked on right now for Megaman 4). I am wanting to see if there is cause to do voice acting for the Wily Wars at some point as well, or if there are any additional scenes in that version of the game for our voice acting team to work on.
Also, as a Megaman fan, if you would like the opportunity to do some voice acting in any of our future Megaman videos for any of the characters from classic, to X, to Battle Network, let us know.
There is a bit of dialogue from Dr. Wily when you first start Wily Tower.
@@GottaBeFrank Thank you. Tells me a bit more. We probably will do the Wily Wars at some point. maybe as like some remastered version of our first video down the road. But does't seem it needs to be a very high priority in doing voice acting for the full Megaman pantheon of games.
My main issue with this game is that the movement/input works ever so sliiiiightly different than on the NES versions that introduces an ever so slight input lag (if my memory serves there is a delay when you are turning around to move a different direction) and if you have played the NES versions a lot it feels really weird. If you've never played the NES versions you might actually not even realize there is an issue (and maybe it isn't an issue, it is just different).
I played it on the Genesis. I liked it but it takes the buster shots longer to clear the screen which makes inaccuracy more punishing.
11:13 - this is interesting. I seem to recall recall that the retrobit release was supposed to have been patched/fixed by the retrobit team before release. It was even a listed feature. I don’t remember sega saying there were any changes at all to the Sega Chanel version on the Mini. Heh, I didn’t even give it a chance- just went straight for the retrobit release. Thanks for pointing out the truth!
The sprite art really is great on this. Feels like a more serious version of 7, ya know, like if 7 weren’t made to make megaman look like an anime 😅.
Great video!
I forgot to say hello "Frank" happy new year to you! and also it's been a while since I didn't watched your videos!
It's totally worth playing today, so long as you mind the cooldown and slow speed of shots, the unexplained lag from the C+ programming, and the sometimes odd music. Luckily, ROM hacks (like mine) help with these issues and more! Doesn't help the Virtual Console or Mini Drive versions, but eh. 🤷♀️
Wily Wars is my favorite title in the Mega Man Classic Series by a long shot, and my 2nd favorite game in the franchise as a whole (X8 dethroned it after it had a very long running). Mega Man 2 was previously my favorite game in the series, and I feel the Wily Wars edition easily ties its position. Then there's Mega Man 1 & 3, the two games on the NES I consider to be extremely rough around the edges. The improvements made to them in Wily Wars render the NES versions completely obsolete. Mega Man 1 controls significantly better and has 10 pounds less jank, and Mega Man 3 has lots of little changes that make it a lot more satisfying to play. Particularly with the changes made to the Top Spin; it went from being completely useless in the NES version to being insanely useful for plowing through stage enemies, a lot like the Charge Kick from Mega Man 5 but applied to the jump instead of the slide. Wily Tower is great too, but I don't have much to say about it beyond "yep that sure is a fun Mega Man experience".
heres a funny detail you'd only pick up on after beating the gameboy games... but the final wily robot is a sidescrolling adaptation of the final boss from the 4th gb game albeit the 2nd phase of the fight is completely original, though they did reuse the capsule fight and attacks from that game so there is a bit of connective tissue
I'll have to remember that, when I get around to the GB games.
I played Wily war on the Nintendo Switch online and i though it was fun and also enjoyed the musics cause i love Mega Drive/Genesis sounding music also sens it was the second Classic Megaman that i had played i would say it's a fun remake of 1 through 3 (now let's see the fan-game that goes from 4 to 6)
I can't wait to see more from The Sequel Wars.
to be fair, the sega channel version had that slow down, i too owe that slow down for helping me learn yellow devil, now that you got that down you should be able to tackle him legit in mm1 on the nes as it is the same pattern.
Actually, the Retro-Bit version is the optimized version, with less slowdown. But I haven't tried the Genesis Mini version so I'll be back when I see it in action.
Genesis Mini has a tiny bit of slowdown. I noticed it in the Ice Man battle in Mega Man 1. I've been looking for footage of the game, using a real Retro-Bit cart, and it looks like there is a bit more, but nowhere near the original.
I guess I'll crack open my retrobit version to try this out now. I never played it outside the rom.
12:53 This fight reminds me Rockman 4 Minus Infinity Dive Man
I grew up playing A LOT of mega man. I still play mega man games to this day. I like the wily wars collection but to me, the controls feel...off. A little. I cant explain it. I struggle a bit playing this version. The wily tower, however, makes it all worthwhile. Being able to pick and choose your weapons and items is such a neat gimmick.
Edit: i play on the switch.
How do you advise I beat Cutman in Wily Wars? I can beat him in OG Mega Man 1, which I have on the 3DS collection, but when I tried beating him on the Mega Drive Mini, my brute force approach does NOT work so well!
Start with getting your first shot in. From there he'll approach you, then jump over. That's when you hit him again. You never need to jump over him. It's a pretty easy pattern to learn. He might get a few hits in, but he wont completely wipe out your health. I usually go for an attack when does a high jump, but you can catch him on a low one.
If you want to go weakness order, go with Bomb Man, Guts Man, then Cut Man. The first suggestion is for buster only.
8:33 omg I wasn’t the only one who noticed the slight delay
sega channel wasn't really high priced, i had one to experience this game in the 90s and it was like 15 bucks a month. my mom still talks about what a great deal that was considering that a single new game on the genesis back in the day was 50-60 bucks and the sega channel gave you access to so many games.
I actually disagree on the music, believe it or not. I DO concede that it doesn't take full advantage of the hardware like other games. But I actually strongly dislike Quick Man's theme on the NES. Whereas in Wily Wars, I actually LOVE IT!
And another point for the performance: the game was coded in C, if I'm not mistaken. C is an interpreted language much like BASIC. So programs run slower as the hardware reads the line before execution. On modern hardware, it's practically a negligible impact. But back then, it was slower than Assembly was.
I played the Genesis Mini version until my console broke down (Sadly, I kept leaving it on like the idiot I was, so it wouldn't turn on, and the light wouldn't turn off properly), and I really liked it. It was hard, but I didn't find the controls too intrusive(apart from the fact that you can't spam the Buster as fast as you could like in the NES version), but this was during my GB Mega man phase. And while the music is inferior to the originals (No remix can top it), it's still pretty good. I'd say it's worth a shot. Here's how far I got in (almost) all the games:
Mega man 1: Wily Stage 1
Mega man 2: Purple hell (Wily stage 4)
Mega man 3: Shadow man"s stage (regular)
Wow. Yeah, those are some rough levels in the remakes.
You mentioned slowdown differences between the jp and us releases. So, retro-bit actually did some programming work on their release to reduce some of the slowdown. I imagine this is what you saw.
They did work on their release and I believe M2 did work on the Genesis Mini version.
I must say the walking animation was much smoother
It's a decent remake of the first three games IMO, but he weirdness with jumping and shooting are hard to overlook. It never felt right on any version of it, but overall, I always wondered what it would've been like if they sent with the SNES instead.
I played Mega Man 2 and 3 a lot, with 3 being the first game I learned to beat deathless. Playing these versions feel off. And weird things that don’t feel right (like you can use Rush Coil to bypass the jumping block part in Magnet Man’s stage, which was not possible on the NES version).
It WAS possible. I do it every time.
I think this is an excellent video. Top notch in every aspect. Keep it up!
Furthermore, there is something good there in the Wily Wars. Maybe if it was given the Doom 32X Resurrection treatment, Sega fans could have an incredible Mega Man game for their Genesis/Mega Drive collection.
I would be shocked if such a project doesn't exist yet. I feel like a hack that refines the gameplay would do wonders.
... so it DID come to america? this is friggin' amazing!
12:03 "It's done really well." Not if you download an emulated version. For 15 years people have been trying to figure this out, but on emulated versions, after beating a game, instead of saying "all clear" the game will show a blank save for that specific game, showing all 6/8 bosses alive.
I have never seen that before. I went through all of the footage, because I still have it, and it's all normal. It might depend on the emulator used.
the only thing i truly love about this game is the sound track JUST LISTEN TO THE WILY GUARDIAN THEME FROME MEGA MAN 1 AND MEGA MAN 3
Thank god the Sequel Wars project exists.
It'll run smoothly and on real hardware!
The best part of Wily Wars is Wily's Tower for the mix & match weapons fest.
The Wily's Wars is great for its visual expansion of Mega Man's world. That and being able to mix your favorite weapons and support items is brilliant. I wish that returned in other Mega Man games. I own the Genesis Mini version and it my most played game on that system over Sonic 2 and Earthworm Jim.
Gonna recommend Monster World IV on the Genesis Mini. It's a pretty cool action platformer.
9:25, Capcom didn’t have a big output on Sega consoles until the Saturn, those designers may not be as familiar with the hardware as you’re thinking, despite it’s similarities to the SNES. I would double check before making that assumption. Let me do that for you real quick.
Okay, it was outsourced to another company that only had experience making the GB mega man games and some (like 40 games total, maybe. ALL uncredited) other obscure arcade stuff. So yeah, probably mostly a young team with little experience.
Hey man, just asking, are you gonna review Mega Man 4-6?
Yeah. It'll be out soon.
It really worth to play it on the Arcade1UP Mega Man Collection mini console.
I got that mini console some time ago. I should finally open it up and see if it's any good.
Looking at the thumbnail, I do not understand why it was so hard for box artists to get Mega Man right. If not body, they had no issues ruining his face
It controls just differently enough to be a problem since I'm so used to the NES controls.
And the music did not play up to the Genesis' strengths like it could've. And Mega Man's soundtrack is perfect for the Genisis synthesizer.
I compare it to Super Mario All-Stars. It feels different, but it's similar enough to adjust to not be an issue.
I had a rom of wily wars back in the day. I have a soft spot for it (even the music haha) but I hated the slowdown. The switch online version is the way to go since a lot of the lag has been cut down like you said. It’s worth a go, not as polished as super Mario all stars, but a fun experience for any mega man fan.
There actually are some improvements to the game, in addition to saving your game, it’s easier to land on ledges. There are a few spots in NES Megaman 3 (Gemini and doc robot) where you can soft lock if you don’t have rush coil. You can just barely make those jumps now.
I can understand Gemini, but how do you not have Rush Coil in the Doc Robot stages? I'm assuming you mean not having energy.
@@GottaBeFrank yes, not having weapon energy left for coil or jet
100%. If you think Super Mario All stars is worth it, this game is that with some extra content. Technically, lost levels was added content in the west, but still, same principles must apply.
Only gripe with the music I have is some of the compositions are changed in significant ways
Yeah. Some are a bit slower than the original compositions. It's the instruments that get me the most.
By the way there's a fan made called "Megaman the Sequel wars" and MG it's better than "The wily wars"!
I covered it in a fan game round up video, a few months ago.
@@GottaBeFrank Okay nevermind!
It's a cool game and I look forward to seeing more from it.
Honnestly, even though the Sega Genesis could do way better, I love the cheap/saturated/metallic sound of Megaman The Wily Wars. It makes me think of an old school new wave or heavy metal band
If you were to combine Mega Man: The Wily Wars with Mega Man: The Sequel Wars would you get Mega Man: The Maker Wars or Rockman: Maker World?
How did you get the genesis mini rom to work on emulator?
It was already a genesis file, so it worked right away.
@@GottaBeFrank what emulator did you use? Kega Fusion?
I used one of the Genesis cores in Retroarch.
This is the only Mega Man game I have, I do plan to get the retro collection at some point, but for now this will have to do.
Me too. I just need to find a decent listing for it.
If you got a Genesis mini than, ya it's worth trying out, but it's not a huge miss out. I've played and beat it on there, thought it was alright, but idk it just felt off the whole time, could just be too used to the famicom versions.
An aside is that 4 and 5 are still the games I'm more likely to play anyways, which aren't part of the wily wars.
Playing on a Genesis Mini is probably the most difficult way to play the game, since there is no slowdown. Aside from that, it's fine.
I think I have to give the Wily wars a slight edge, I have to say slight, because I love the soundtrack for the NES. It was iconic and some of those tunes have stayed in my head all these years. The genesis soundtrack just missed the mark for me. Everything else is a better experience on the Genesis IMO.
Infinite/10 I love this collection so much
I'm sure they rushed the music to meet time. It sounds slightly offbeat and nothing was added compared to the original versions
This comment will probably never be seen but a a few things to add:
1. The sound is ass for a couple reasons, the first is they couldn't just port it over from the nes as the Ricoh 2A03 is a 6502 assembly processor which is a bit different then all 3 variations on the genesis sound chip(its technically all assembly, but different versions of it). The slowdown/whine give away what sound chip sega gave them specs for; the genesis 3, which did not have a stand alone sound chip and just ran shit through the processor(hence the slowdown, also no optimizing). Had the games sound been run though say the Gen1-2 YH sound synthesizer it wouldn't have had the issues it does. Sadly it was built for gen 3, which is known to be pure , unmitigated ear aids.
2.The game was actually cancelled for a physical release in the US, then back on and then shitcanned again(there was an article in Gamepro, Tips-and-tricks and brief commentary in EGM) The dev time on the game was absolutely brutal and almost all of the game had to be done from scratch with fuck all help from Capcom. There was even a story/rumor that the original director almost ended himself over the project and the stress, though I haven't found significant evidence of this other then some scant message boards that are long gone(RIP Yahoo geocities)
3.Don't be ashamed to emulate it. The Sega channel had limited access by region, was expensive AF at the time where it was located(being 100$ a month for the service as well as the 13 sub) and was notorious for both game corruption and general hardware failure. Also if you cancelled, goodbye to ALL your games. I had exactly 1 friend with it and ...lets just say "play a game" was much more" start the download and go play SNES" because it would take HOURS to finish in most instances.
As for the Elec man my only advice is Git Gud :p
Would have been nice to give the nes classic versions an overhaul instead of just added updated music and life bars. 😜
I love the Wily Wars. I love the Mega Drive rendition of Wily Castle stage 1, I love the new Wily Tower extra content
Some of that Genesis music isn't that bad. The quality is pretty similar to Street Fighter. Maybe it just means the songs don't hold up
The genesis version of cutman music is my favourite, more so than the NES version.
I will agree that elec man stage music does sound better on the NES though
Question can wily wars be played on switch without the genesis controller? I need to know
yes you just need any sort of Controller that works on switch, you're just stuck with the default controller mapping though
@@alex_-yz9to thank you!!
I wanted to suggest going for a Retro Bit controller, but the controls aren't mapped properly and there's no way to fix it.
@@GottaBeFrank thank you guys I appreciate your suggestions 😀
The real reason to get the Genesis Mini!
Hey hey hey. Monster World IV was on there too.
All genesis/megadrive games regardless of region were 4:3. Pretty much all TV's of the era were, worldwide. If your emulator isn't scaling to 4:3, then it's misconfigured.
Unfortunately this is a common misconfiguration as non-square pixels really confuse the crap out of some people, even emulator devs. Even game devs on those systems back in the day got it messed up from time to time. Lot's of stretched moons in those days. 😂
I would do an overclock in the emulator to get rid of that slowdown.
That would work for just playing it, but defeats the purpose of including it in the review.
@@GottaBeFrank I thought it was worth mentioning from a modern perspective because a lot of people don't know that PicoDrive and and Genesis Plus GX have overclocking abilities. Makes games like Road Rash much more enjoyable.
I like the music in it's own way, but it's definitely not the rock the original soundtrack is known for.
What I don't really get about the music is why they went with almost sonic like soundfont. It's not like the genesis can't do rock, just look at streets of rage. But I guess they thought that type of sound was too much?
Will you take a look at the PS1 remakes?
At some point, I'll take a look at them.
Me personally I don't think Wily Wars improves on much at all with the originals. Graphically I find a lot of stuff either got lost in translation or the detail added is incredibly arbitrary and kinda ugly, like they HAD to fill some sort of color quota but just used it on slapping deep shadows on everything. On paper 8-bit games should be cake to improve on but not only are the games visually very top tier for NES as is, they also have strong art direction to boot that Wily Wars doesn't seem to take into much account, admittedly with some exceptions. Mega Man having the only redone set of sprites too is pretty awkward when he's put up against recolored robot master sprites that are half his size.
The music as mentioned leaves a lot to be desired which is disappointing because Mega Man on the Genesis on paper should sound fucking awesome. The Genesis has this electric kick that should have been a total shoe-in for Mega Man's style of music but I guess a tiny dev window will do that.
The slowdown on the Genesis especially is absolutely inexcusable (I'm not gonna count a fix made 30 years after the fact though kudos to whoever did fix it for the re-release) and I noticed the game does a lot of little stuff that bugs me to no end, like the aforementioned tiptoe before a sprint, the fact Mega Man has this big cooldown on his lemons, some of the bosses who used to be weak to the buster only take one hit of damage, etc. I generally feel just how rushed this was and Wily Tower, while a neat bonus, doesn't save the whole package for me. Worth a run through for curiosity's sake but it certainly isn't a replacement imo
What Is Your Fav Theme In The Game? Mines Is Mega Water S
It's gotta be Mega Water S. It's so catchy.
The problem with the rearranged music in the Megadrive/Genesis version is the exact same problem with the rearranged music in Super Mario All-Stars's renditions of the various stages in Super Mario Bros. 1, 2, USA, & 3/1, Lost Levels, 2, & 3 on Super Famicom/Super Nintendo: as much as I love me some good bass, THERE'S ENTIRELY TOO MUCH OF IT HERE!! It's just not the same with all that in there. The original tunes were perfect for a reason. Granted, some franchises that started on the older consoles would get better music over time - just look at how the main theme of Final Fantasy 1 evolved over its ports and remakes, nevermind that main theme itself across ALL FF games - but that doesn't mean that's applicable to everything. 😒😒😒
Also, the screen resolution is a bit different for the larger real estate; just like in the All-Stars versions of Super Mario 1, USA (I think you can see that I refuse to call the game we originally got in the US as the second Mario game "Super Mario Bros. 2"), & 3, the Wily Wars versions of Megaman 2&3 have some jumps that are pretty easy to only slightly challenging on the original version...but need to be relearned because they're a bit tougher here than they should be. (There's a fanmade project called Megaman: The Sequel Wars that'll do the same treatment for Megaman 4-6; only Megaman 4 is available so far, aaaaaand I do NOT look forward to Brightman's stage.)
By the way did you make a video about beating "Sonic Mania" without touching any rings or defeating any badnicks?!
Nope. I don't think I'll be going to that series anytime soon. I'm currently focused on Mega Man videos and some other video projects.
@@GottaBeFrank 😒
I'm considering moving it to another channel, since the gameplay challenge videos don't really fit what I'm doing these days. They don't require as much work as reviews and some editorials, so I can experiment with presenting the videos in a different way. I'm not completely set on the idea, so I'll have to figure out how I can do that and make the 2-3 videos a month for this channel. If I go through with it, I'll announce it when the first video is ready.
@@GottaBeFrank When it's ready just let me know ok?!
Genesis Twang = Buzzing and Farting
Only the buzzing part.
Yes it is. And no im not just saying that because i had the sega channel as a kid..
That's a hell of a flex and really cool.
This was the way I experienced the first 3 Megaman games for the first time and I loved it
It's a valid way of playing it. It made Mega Man 3 an easier game, but wow, is Mega Man 2 a little rougher. Still a cool collection.
Ah dude the Retrobit release is awesome, super recommend grabbing it purely for "looks cool on the shelf" value
I'll pick it up when I can. For now, I wait for reasonable listings on ebay.
@@GottaBeFrank I actually have 2, depending on how you define reasonable I could probably help you out
I honestly thought the wily wars would be another horrible megaman spinoff, but it isn't too bad actually... The music can do some work, the lag has its ups and downs, but the texture and assets are even more better than the og. It's a good experience overall 8.5/10.