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- The Saucony Endorphin Elite is a marathon racing shoe designed for all-out speed. At $275, it's positioned by Saucony as their top-tier, aggressive option in the lineup vs the comfort-oriented Endorphin Pro 4 racing shoe. In this video, I give an overview of the Endorphin Elite, take it out for a 10 mile tempo run and let you know where it fits into the market.
0:00 - Intro
1:25 - Overview
9:51 - Weigh In
14:42 - Plan for the Run
16:46 - Initial Fit & Feel
18:17 - First Run
19:00 - Post-Run Thoughts
24:27 - Endorphin Elite Run Performance
36:03 - Durometer Test
38:45 - One More Thing: Upper Fit
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My man said “they fit like a glove, r.i.p. OJ” 😂 love it!
Love your sense of humour brother. Great videos.
Shout out to the slug
Putting in that work!
This is currently my marathon shoe. I have my marathon PR in it and will be used in my marathon next week. My previous PR was in the Metaspeed Sky Tokyo, 4 marathons ago. The 2 marathons in between were in the Endorphin Pro 3. For me the Elite was really comfortable, as comfortable as the Sky Tokyo. The EP3 was too soft and “wobbly” as the marathon wore on. But the firmness of the Elite was consistent throughout. One similarity between the Sky Tokyo and Elite vs the EP3, that I found, was that the plate location looks to be lower on the EP3 (think Metaspeed Edge Paris). This might be the “softness” I didn’t like but many do. So yes, individual comfort is king, so for me it’s higher plated ones by my experience.
good to know that it got better for you with more miles. i'm looking forward to doing a 20+ miler in it
Shoutout for the comment response last week about this review coming soon. Love to see it
Amazing shoe. Faster than many other overrated shoes and sadly underrated.
yeah i was surprised i didn't love it and i'm hoping it grows on me - i didn't love the rebel v4 out of the box either but it became one of my favorites. so we'll see how it does on the long run
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I'm getting on board with the comfort, too. I also think about retiring shoes to work. I've been wearing the Rebel V3 for work lately and the cushion is perfect.
Best marathon shoe (IMHO). I ran my P.R in the NYC Marathon with that shoe, 18 minutes faster than the previous marathon that I ran with the Nike Vaporfly 2. It is just so amazingly comfortable and feels so effortless for running long distances.
Found the Metaspeed Sky/Edge+ way firmer and more harsh. The Endorphin Elite is a firmer super shoe but not harsh IMO and softer than those for sure. Find the firmness similar to the Edge Paris or maybe a tad firmer.
agreed, not harsh to me!
Love the late upload, man is on the grind
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Love your humor, man! :) The private school joke is on point.
I dont unterstand so much People saying the Endorphin Elite is firm.
I dont understand this😅 the Only Racing Shoe thats firm for me is the Metaspeed Sky+
Give the Elite a little Break in it also has a Break in Period (same as Adios Pro 3) it also needs a little Break in.
But after that this Shoes Adios and Elite a crazy Good and my no means firm.
This. Even run repeat shows it’s not that firm. It’s actually softer than the pro 4, which I think is actually firm.
Added to the list of shoes tested due to peer pressure 🤣
You a Man of the people haha thank you bro!🙌
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Hahaha for sure man - let me know what others you want to see
@@supwelli try EE and like them BUT they have high 8mm drop like my current race shoes VF2 (PB in London over weekend 3:17:26) and previous EP3 which gave me a black toe and nail AND I don’t have that problem with AP3 with lower drop; is it connected? What do you think? Do you have any informations from other runners? Tnx
@@markoljustinai don't have that issue personally but our friend Andrew from midlife runner told me has to size up on some shoes based on drop. So maybe go up half a size
@@supwell no, there is enough space; i buy today Sky Paris because i want them and they have lower drop which is maybe good for me in this moment; double win😜 actually we will see on autumn; I will save shoe for Chicago; make some shake run on friday before race
Tried them all on. This one felt best. I am a 60 year old forefoot runner trying to break 3:30 to BQ. Seems a very fast and bouncy shoe during my first quick run.
Just drop the mixtape man! 😂 🪓🪓🪓
Gotta have the fresh beans to get back on the work grind! Wishing you the best in acclimating back to the 9-5! “That 9 to 5 shit is no joke”
Been waiting to see this one! 🎉❤
Total Saucony fanboy over here. Racing the EPro4 this year. EPro3 still a contender. ESpeed 3’s and 2 for training and Triumph 20. They just work!
That was my rotation all 2022 and early 2023! 300+ miles on pro 3, 600 miles on 2 pairs of speed 3, 350 on triumph and 350 on shift 3. New balance came for the throne last year though and now hoka is a big contender for me too
Good job drinking actually good coffee. So many people on TH-cam talk about coffee and drink trash. That’s a legit roaster.
I thoroughly enjoy the Saucony Endorphin Elite, but out of the shoes I own, I'd pick the Vaporfly 3 for the full marathon solely for the comfort in the later portion of the race. In saying that, I'd pick the Endorphin Elite's for a half marathon any day of the week.
Firm foam? Are you sure you ran in the Endorphin Elite? 😅
I don't understand why the Saucony Elite should be "firm". I think the "hardness" is just right, not too soft and not too hard. The only super shoe that was too "firm" for me is the Asics Metaspeed Sky + . Most of them are actually too soft for me. Adios Pro 3 and Saucony Elite are perfect in "softness"
Imo when it comes to shoes, comfort is king! 👑
Unless you're a pro or chasing PB's, nothing beats actually enjoying your run.
Extremely underrated shoe!
So many people never ever heard of the Elite - even some regular marathon runners often never heard about it.
And I ask myself why... is it the price tag? I even got 2 pairs of it cuz they were in sale for 99bucks each lol the retailer simply couldnt sell them to anyone...
I do not think its much "firmer" - Li-Nings supershoes (Feidian elite and Ultra) are WAY firmer than the Saucony Elite, and even the new Xtep 160x Pro 5 is similiar firm...
Its just not a super plush shoe... also the durability of the midsole seems kinda off in the Saucony.
Kudos to Li-Ning and Xtep there again, 500km in their super shoes, basically look like new
Edid: I can also confirm the other comment - the foam breaks in nicely after around 30-40miles for me.
You’ve been on fire lately my man. Love your genuine spirit, the daily videos and the “Up Your Best” idea.
Check out a track called Choose Yourself by Star Slinger
Thought of it after your ASICS video yesterday.
The humor is 👌 in this one.
Love the content, inspire to live my life by the dedication you have. Also if you don't want those adios pro three you can send them over I'll put them to good use. I run highschool track and would love them for my summer training.
what size are you? i'm gonna put some miles on the pro 3 but may have something else for you
@@supwell omg you responded, yeah I'ma size 10. Sorry for the late response it's AP exam season
@@charlesthorn6506 ayy good luck on the exams man! email me your shipping address yowana@supwell.io
@@supwell sent, and thank you again. You made my week
Everyones feet are different too! For me i cant wear the pros. Actually sold my 3s. Elites are best shoe ive ever worn
For me the Saucony Pro 3 is not a bad Shoe but nothinh special on that.
Elite for me is Special it feels like the Adios Pro 3 but lighter a better upper and a little more agressive (which i like) faster.
Adios Pro 3 is also a great Shoe but for me the Elite is slightly better.
The Endorphin Pro 4 is my first racing shoe and plated shoe. I find it mind blowing that it is considered firm. It feels soft to me. Could that be due to my weight? I’m 200 lbs for reference.
Yeah agreed I don't find the Pro 4 firm at all either - it's super soft and comfortable for me. The endorphin elite though I found super firm
As a fellow 200lber I find the pro 4 on the firmer side. The NB elite v4 is what I would consider soft. Run repeat confirms this as well.
Always thought that shoe was more orange and purple. Call it the A Wiggins, Clemson DB who ran a 4.29 drafted in 1st round by Ravens
Shoutouts to everyone keeping their families fed 🪓🪓🪓🪓🪓🪓
Connection: O.J. wore Spot-Bilt cleats, like Saucony a brand of Hyde Athletic Industries at the time, and even had a job with them, or a job title at least, after his football career. The whole company was eventually renamed Saucony, now owned by Wolverine International as you say, but still sells retro style Spot-Bilt shoes.
Man that is incredible history! Thank you for sharing 🙏🏽
@@supwell Thanks Yowana, and thanks as always for the great daily content! It might be hard for someone who wasn't around in the 70s and 80s to appreciate just how popular and totally uncontroversial O.J. was at the time, but people must have known things about him that they weren't saying.
You bring up the idea of “for larger runners”. Can you please share how much you weigh? Or is your comment more related to your height?
i'm 6' 2" 160 lbs but for this shoe i was talking about people i know who consider themself bigger runners who love this shoe - a lot of "hybrid athlete" types who are more muscular than the typical sub-3/sub 2:50 runner swear by the endorphin elite
Got it. That’s more my build 6’2” 215), so that’s why I asked.
I'm curious as to what your 9-5 job is? Doesn't really matter, just curiosity since you have your MBA. I'm amazed you can churn out these great videos with a job and family!
I work in growth for a marketing consultancy! Started this job a while back so haven't done anything with the MBA yet
Would you say the heel stability is the same or better than the saucony pro 4?
I looked at this shoe for so long. I really wanted to go with it but I’m glad I bailed because I kept seeing others mention firm so I bailed on it. Think I made a good call even though I really wanted to try it. I hate that I don’t have a store nearby that even carries any of these racers so I can at least hold it lol. I have to guess online
I just got the endorphin elites and my first run in them was trash. Second run, honestly, was the best feeling run of my life.
Also, that coffee looks bomb! Big coffee guy here, so appreciate the coffee love.
That's good to know! I know a lot of people love these things so I'm hoping I come around
Yes the Endorphin Elite also needs a little Break in (same as Adios Pro 3 too)
i completely agree with your assessment.
i found the shoe to be not so forgiving, stiff, rigid, and uncomfortable. i had to cut my 18 mile long run to 15 miles because the shoe felt like i had no protection and after a while, each foot stroke felt like a hammer hitting my feet.
i think for me this shoe is too advanced. maybe this shoe is more geared for elites or sub elites or those folks that are in the sub 240 marathon category.
i run 730 mile and felt the ride was unforgiving and harsh over time especially for the long run. i chalked this shoe as not even a long run shoe.
Yeah it's weird because I was running around a 2:40 marathon pace for most of this workout and it still felt pretty unforgiving. Some other people have said they liked it more for long runs so we'll see how it does for a 22 miler
Dude! As a loyal subscriber and independent school teacher, I have a beef with your “pay more, get less” comment.
Hahaha don't worry it's about the number of days the school is open not the quality of the education... as a payer of private school tuition I can't even tell you how many random cultural holidays my daughter has off from school 😂
A while ago, when I heard this shoe + superblast (feels quite mushy after 100km) + boston 12 were on the firmer side, I thought I would probably not like them because I don't like the firmness (groundfeel) of lower stack shoes. But I was wrong !!! yeah the midsole of these shoes might be on the firmer side (at least before break-in) but, counter intuitively, as a result of that firmness, there is less compression and less groundfeel ... so over longer distances, they protect my feet better than shoes with softer foams (like Vaporfly) ... also these firmer foams are more stable so it's a win win! But well, I raced 5Ks in Vaporflys, AF1 and Endorphin Elite and I got very similar results .. still my preference is AF1 since I got my PBs in them. These Endorphin Elite remind me of Prime X Strung but wider, more stable and lighter so better shoe!
a lighter prime x? sounds like my dream shoe. i can't justify getting them at full price though
Also the elites you have to run fast in them if not I heard they slow you down
Good test..it took me less than 5 minutes to get it off my feet and sent it back..it is way harder than the pro and the upper is very sloppy,similar to Adidas..actually it's just about the same overall as the Adidas adios shoe...for me the rocket x2 is very deceptive about the speed you are pushing..most comfortable racing shoe I ever used..as a side,I changed the pro4 insole for a pro3 insole and it changes the way the pro4 runs at race pace..my guess is the HG is responsible for the harshness of the elite cos it comes thru the insole and why most people don't like that shoe..another great video..I race the rocket x2 every weekend and use them for long runs..good at any pace for me..
i should test the rocket x2 on a long run soon - it was amazing for the 10 mile run i did
Do you notice a lot of North Carolina viewers or subscribers? Any more than any other state? If so is it statewide or localized?
When you say aggressive ride what do you mean they are fast ? I have the pro 3 are they faster than them ? I normally run 6.30 a mile I heard the elites u have to run faster then that to get use of it
"Shout out Jesus Christ right there" 😂😂
Quick question, sir.... Hoka Mach 6 or NB 1080v13 for those daily miles? Considering I already have a pair of Novablast 4's, which I mainly use for long runs.
I'd go Mach 6! 1080v13 is an awesome shoe, and a lot softer than the novablast, but I used them for the same type of runs. Mach 6 will give you a different feel - lighter, bouncier, faster and a little more fun
@supwell thank you for the response! I was leaning towards the Mach 6, just wanted a second opinion
What’s your thoughts on Nick Bare or just Hybrid Athletes in general
And it wasn’t the Rocket X2 😂 Always calculating which shoe you used when I see your run on Strava 😉😂 So funny but there you go dude 😍 Just crushing the miles 👍☯️🙏
The endorphin elite is more like a prototype edition where saucony are putting new tech in and seeing what works. Probably the next model or one after will be the fine tuned version that will compete with the best shoes.
Bricking like Lebrick James. Nice first run impressions. 🪓🪓🪓🪓
hahaha man lebron out here getting slandered
Gotta try the Adidas Prime X2 Strung, GOAT shoe for sure
Prime x strung v1 was goat for me. V2 was too bulky and stiff
Have you tried the puma fast-r nitro elite 2?
Not yet - stay tuned 💪🏽
I've been wondering more about the other Puma racind shoe. Deviate Elite. Always been curious about it since nobody reviews it.
How can we get the hobby joggers hat?
Does it fit for flatfoot?!
“These things fit like a Glove R.I.P. OJ 😂😂”
Fit like a glove. Rip OJ 😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 “rip oj” I laughed out loud at the gym
🪓 Work like almost two years at the German Post 👌 Work normally begins for me at 6:45 am and when I want to get a run in before work I wake up about 3:30 am do a little bit of yoga ( 15 min ) and after that I doing a cold shower 🙏
And then I go for a run 🙌
That is often my start into the day 🔥🪓
love it! keep grinding 💪🏽
Sweet
Have you checked out the Under Armour Velociti Elite 2?
Waiting to buy kinvara pros till you review 😂
I got you man. What are you running in right now? Btw 100 mile skyward X review is coming soon so stay tuned - kind of a Kinvara pro competitor
@@supwell biggest thing for me is kinvara pro comes in wide!
SC Elite v4s and rebel v3s. Love the elite v4s but want to save for race day, so want something more affordable for long runs
Also I was running in the speed 3s but the wides have way too much upper so I had to pull the laces super tight. Apparently it's a common issue for people with the speed 3 wides (but not kinvara pros)
@@JonathanSanders458ahh okay yeah it doesn't look they have the skyward in wide yet. That's good to know. Stay tuned for the Kinvara pro
I got the Kinvara Pro and have around 250km in them.
They are in the category of "super trainers" - but dont feel like that at all. The first 30km I was kinda disappointed, super stiff, very firm and the speedroll is not that noticeable. After around 50km that shoe really grew to me. It broke in nicely... still firm, but a protective firmness, its also super amazing if you are a heavier runner.
So ye, it is a plated daily trainer, but far from being a race day shoe or a speed workout shoe. Its not plush and spongy at all, but you also have no ground feeliing, your feet are on a well protected cushioned plateau, but on the frmer end of cushioning (very end). Its just a massive block of PWRRUN Midsole similiar to the old ride and guide models, and then you have a small layer of PWRRUN PB (Endorphin Pro) and the PWRRUN+ sockliner (Triumph20-21). Comfortable and not hard or "hammering" your legs... but definitely a firmer shoe.
Durabilty is kinda nice so far, minimal wear.
The Kinvara Pro became my "no clue what I should run in today shoe", it can do everything but is not very good at anything particular.
Edid: For full retail price I think its a very bad shoe... I got it for 130 and like it very much. The question is... Kinvara Pro vs Superblast... Superblast does everything better, but is less stable. The Kinvara is almost a stability shoe.
Shout out to slugs, shout out to that guy, shout out to Jesus Christ. RIP to OJ. You wilin' bro...
shout out rock 💪🏽
What the heck is going on with the volume? 😭
I read it in the comments.., but it still caught me off guard.
juice.
nice
Wow
Swag.
come for the shoes, stay for the slugs
Omg you’re hilarious 😂
$50 more performance that the pro 3 or 4? easily. To me you can’t compare. Pro’s are good, elite’s are next level - best you can buy.
The lateral net/overlay is horrendous 🤦♂
Thug Slug
RIP O.J. 😂😂😂
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HG sucks imo
🪓🪓🪓 that 24/48 schedule…. SHIFT WORK 😂
Someone please superimpose some Elites on JC #blessed- and to me, a PR is carrying your body from point A to point B across space-time faster than you’ve ever done it. To go by chip time is silly outside of determining a winner for that specific race. We don’t say kipchoge didn’t run sub 2 because it wasn’t a world major marathon. We honor his Strava PB as legitimate.
Btw keep those random SAT words coming so the the channel is educational as well as entertaining. 🪦 🍊 🥤
Agreed man I really wish that Kipchoge record would be verified by the rule keepers. But it's like with music - the most impactful albums don't always win the Grammys
Shout out to slack 🪓🪓🪓
With all these new shoes, it's going to be tough to get the miles in them, even with your volume.🪓
Yeah I'm not trying to get 300 miles on every shoe. Going wide on the market and deep on the training shoes that matter 💪🏽
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