@@rotyler2177 well as picard says earlier to Lily that the Federation/United Federation of Planets had made too many compromises already too many retreats. The Borg invade Federation space and the UFP withdraws. They assimilate entire worlds and the Federation falls back. Picard was sick of the status quo, to make a stand although odds were slim and insurmountable situation of the borg advance on the Enterprise E
fun fact, that was the second curse word to ever be uttered in Star Trek film or TV up to that point with the first being Data saying "Oh Shit" as the saucer section of the enterprise D entered the atmosphere of Veridian 3 during the events of Generations.
+fringelife because of his time on the enterprise and knowing captain picard so long he had garnered respect from worf.this is why worf said what he did to picard after being called a coward. worf still respect picard...
I know but I think Worf would rip his head off it was Riker who said that lol. Data could say it to Worf's face, but he's not a man and probably the only one who could protect Riker too.
Patrick Stewart is indeed one of the best. But let us not overlook that Alfre Woodard stood ground with him every step of the way. These two were magic together in every single scene.
Benjamin Jonathan James Sisko Archer Tiberius Kirk This is one of my favorite scenes in Star Trek too. I love how Lily’s shrewd common sense and blunt personality is able to cut right to the heart of the matter. Skills that must have been hard earned during the wars she’s live through. Plus she challenges Picard with SUCH passion. She’s such a interesting depiction of humanity’s unrefined potential during this era.
@@Prometheus4096 To be fair, he's been through a lot. Between the Cardassian torture and the Borg, I imagine no one would ever be the same person they were when they first became captain of Enterprise D.
@@manictiger The problem is that 'they' decided that Picard should be an action hero in these movies. That's bad. Apparently, that's what Steward himself want. Then Picard gets really mad. That's not the bit I meant, exactly because of your point. The silly thing is that he says "A line must be drawn here" and then he suddenly caves in because she calls him 'Aheb' randomly. and Picard snaps out of it, rambling about Moby Dick and revenge.
@@Prometheus4096 So an officer in this military organization shouldn't be able to handle himself in a fight?? This is no different than the Picard that defended the Enterprise against terrorists all by himself. This is no different than the Picard that fought Nausicaans in that bar. Only this time, his anger and pain runs far deeper. Sometimes, I dont think the people trashing this movie and this scene have actually watched the show
I truly believe Patrick Stewart is one of THE BEST actors of all time, when he's angry about the Borg or whatever in Star Trek, I can just feel it. There's not many actors who can pull that off as well as him.
Thats simply because he was a classically trained actor, he understands the fundamentals and what it means to become a character. He didn't curse (maybe said "damn") but this seen alone shows how he can convey deep anger and contempt. 4:16 - 4:38 Its written all over his face, his eyes, his body language.
I remember all the adverts for this film heavily featuring the "I will make them pay for what they've done" and naively thinking this moment was going to be badass. When I finally saw this scene in full for the first time his anger genuinely shocked me. It's a testament to Patrick Stewart's amazing acting showing us this exposed vulnerable side of one of my all-time beloved heroes.
"And he piled upon the whale's white hump, a sum of all the rage and hate felt by his whole race. If his chest had been a cannon he have shot his heart upon it." He delivers this line so beautifully. This scene will forever be one of my favourite Star Trek moments.
Dane Parker Picard paraphrased the line very poetically. As you say, it's not verbatim. But it's true to the original sentiment of the source material. In all honesty, I think I prefer Picard's version.
You can see just how deeply the Borg wounded Picard in this scene, all those emotions that lie dormant for so many years - the 1000's of star fleet deaths because of what the Borg forced him to do. All bubbled to the surface. Great scene
Six years is not really so many years, but still six years too many to sit on such massive emotional trauma without properly expressing and resolving it....
One thing that a lot of people don't quite realize is that in being assimilated, Picard was not just subjected to the trauma of that experience, but he also was made aware of the full extent of the Borg Collective. The full extent of just how many worlds they have assimilated. How many lives they have destroyed. You can hear it in this scene. In the future that he comes from, the Borg have not managed to assimilate any Federation world, or any Alpha or Beta Quadrant world for that matter, and yet Picard speaks as if they're an unassailable tide of oblivion, washing over civilization. It's because he knows, far better than any human, just what the Borg has done.
If I recall, Captain Sisko hated Picard at first because Picard as Locutus was a part of a Borg attack that killed Sisko's wife. He later forgave him and saved Picard's life at one point. So I understand the underlying pain and trauma that Picard is dealing with and unleashes in this seen.
The look on his face when he says "and I will make them pay for what they've done!", the rage and hatred he displays is staggering!!! What an actor he is! We have been fortunate to bear witness to an actor at the height of his craft giving a performance worthy of any award that could be given him. Thank you, Sir Patrick 😃
Forgive the late reply, but the subtle momentary change of his expression after he makes that line before walking back to his desk is eerie. This is a man who flits between such rage and then cool focus. He really is the closest to losing everything that makes him a good man in that very moment.
This is one of my favorite scenes in all of Star Trek because one of the hardest parts of living a life is admitting you are wrong and changing or reversing course.
"Actually, I never read it." This simple line of dialogue allows Picard to transform from a soldier in the throws of rage to a scholar educating someone on classic literature. With his mind clear of hate he allows himself to think rationally about the safety and well-being of his friends and crew. They are what are most important to him, and take precedent over his grudge with the Borg.
i like to think that the little smirk he gives is an acknowledgement of the real reach of an incredible author that his work can speak to people who never even read it.
And the realisation that for all his ability to quote endlessly from literature, he is no more morally "advanced" than this person who understands the moral of the story without even having read it. It punctures all his "evolved mortality" pomposity from a moment before.
The thing is, most people never reference Shakespear nowadays in basic concersation. Theyd reference something else like Vader and revenge or something.
Can we just take a moment to appreciate Michael Dorn's intensity in this scene? That might be the most intimate personal moment ever displayed by Worf, speaking to Picard in such a fashion. Just awesome work by the writers, and awesome acting by the TNG crew!
It is definitely one of his best. My personal favorite is when he saved Jadzia allowing the double agent to die and explained to her that she was his first priority.
Great acting yes. Great Cinema, no. Film creates a Mirror Universe Picard that would never behave like this even under extreme circumstances. -6 Years before this he encountered Borg again....He never behaved like this. -He had a empath on board who would have known in both Descent and I Borg. -This is the Man who was tortured by Cardsassians and STILL FELT PITY for his abusers -This is the man who was shot in chest with an arrow to prove he wasn't a God -This is the man who CHOSE to be stabbed in the heart than live a safe life Picard is NOT the man you see in this scene.
saquist Yeah. You are absolutly right. But the Picard we see in this movie is a realer Picard with a more natural and believable character. I am not saying the TNG Series Picard is a bad one, because it wouldn't be possible to regarde every aspect of this complex person... But we even in the series we see a Picard, who is emotionaly unstable sometimes. When little Wesley tries to go on his bridge, when he fuses with Sarek... When he remembers the life he already lived... And when he sees 5 lights, but refuses to say that, because he knows better.
Very true but I could have heard Picard saying the exact same words on Alexander Marcus's ship USS Vengeance. He would have truly made the Borg pay with the most extreme prejudice and he would have been Star Trek's version of Vader doing it. One hunts Jedi, the other hunts Borg.
I have confirmed with John Eaves that the Enterprise-D model was the target model for Patrick to hit with the rifle. They had pre-damaged versions made to put in the case after the fall.
Superb acting from Michael Dorn here. That rage in his face, that sense of personal insult from a man he respect so much, visibly pushes him right to the edge of his ability to control himself. Standing your ground against Patrick Stewart or Jean-Luc Picard; I'm not sure which is harder, but we see both in this moment.
For me, the only real great actors on TNG were Dorn, Spiner, and Stewart. The rest of them were mediocre to bad. Well, Levar might have been (Roots, for example) but his Geordi character was just so poorly written and a sad sack that its hard to tell.
@@blppt Ironically Colm Meaney (Chief O'Brien) had better-written episodes for him when he was a guest star on TNG and then DS9, The episode Wounded was an excellent episode, which producers saw how good of an actor Meaney actually was which led him being on DS9.
@@kd84afc Yeah, but Colm was never part of the main cast on TNG. Just a recurring minor character. Even in "The Wounded" he wasn't in the entire episode.
@@blppt I acknowledged he was a guest star. Meany did play a pivotal role in that episode, Got more of his back story in one episode and excellent scene in ten forward about PTSD, he also came up with the solution to get aboard the phoenix, so my point was, he's character was well written especially for a guest star.
Bring me back that era of cinematography, when you lived in the scene, like here! Even right music in right moments gives a goosebumps of ability to explore the characters on the inside, not just see what they say about themselves.
I dont know what it is about this scene, probably Sir Patrick Stewart and Alfre Woodards acting, but the exchange "Blow up the damn ship", "Nooooo" absolutely kills me everytime. REALLY powerful emotion, really genuine reaction and you literally FEEL it knowing why Picard feels the way he does and why he wants it to be that way, then to see the realisation hit him, of what hes doing is wrong, the way that its explained and paraphrased via Moby Dick is just excellent. Excellent writing, excellent dialogue, excellent scene. Infact I think this film is very underrated, even if your not a Star Trek fan I think its very enjoyable and it still holds up well today.
Probably the best scene in Star Trek history! Not just for Picards character but the fact that Stewart/Woodard together in this scene is 2 actors at the very top of their game, sparring with equals who elevated each other! Patrick and Alfre's chemistry is off the DAMN scale!
@@v8Buster87 They had TONS of time to show Picard dealing with PTSD. Only in the episode " Family " did they have Robert help him deal with his trauma, albeit using the time - honored method of TOUGH LOVE.
The one thing I like about this sequence is that Lily kept picking away at Picard until he realized that he was letting his anger get the better of him.
@@hpa2005 That's what happened with Jean - Luc all through the rest of the Next Generation. His interaction with his brother Robert was an example of " *tough love* " but it worked. They almost NEVER portrayed Picard with PTSD during the run of the series.
Probably one of the best scenes I've ever seen in a movie. Every single line of this dialogue just fits perfectly. Great writing, Greater acting, very good literacy reference! The dichotomy of these two characters who come from different times and worlds completes the scene.
Clippy Would you be level headed after having all that Picard went through? I would have lost my fucking mind long before this, and Picard didn’t even succumb to his rage; he let it out and then overcame it.
Alfre Woodard is one of my favorite actors. Saw her for the first time many years ago in an episode of the TV Show, Hill Street Blues. She was phenomenal then and has been ever since.
Mr. Stewart is a star. The difference between a star and an actor is an actor pretends to be someone else. A star *becomes* someone else. And that's exactly what he did here.
Here's the thing. There are directors out there who make movies where every 3rd word is a swear word, which basically de-synthesizes them and makes them lose all their effect because you see/hear it constantly. By comparison, in scenes like this, sure, we've seen Cpt.Picard simmer with anger a few times over the years during TNG, but we're so used to him being composed and methodical - so now, when he's finally hit a limit and starts to actually boil, it has a lot of impact. People unfamiliar with the series or movies will see good acting, whereas TNG'ers see a cherished character hit a breaking point and nearly crack (alongside that good ole acting that made Patrick one of the most popular Captains). It doesn't happen often thus it stands out by a mile (and is a joy to watch).
The point of this scene is to show a firmly disciplined mind like Picard's needing a lesser mind (as seen with the auracle vs architect in the Matrix) to make a constructive decision. A similar struggle (amplified by MSM) takes place between conservatives and liberals. Somewhere in the middle often works for everyone.
Jonathan Frakes, who played Riker, directed this film, and man did he do an awesome job. Im guessing his experience of working with the cast and crew and knowing the backstory of Picard becoming Borg and then trying to recover while having ptsd would have had a massive influence. Plus he became known as "two takes frakes" because of his ability to get the best out the actors without spending too many takes to get what he wanted. That is amazing and a great example of what makes a great director
He might have hoped to get Worf emotionally riled up to go and kill the Borg. But over many years Worf has learned to be a bit more in control and think of himself as a Starfleet officer first and a Klingon second.
@@raoulduke1961 Star Trek 4 is a flipping comedy. It's a great movie but really shouldn't even count as a trek movie. Star Trek 6 is a better Trek movie and a good send off for the original crew.
Everyone here is wrong. Nemesis was obviously the best movie. Stuart Baird really showed how much he cared about Star Trek when he made that masterp-- Okay, I can't do this with a straight face.
This is the culmination of Picard’s struggle with the Borg. Went further than even Sisko arguably, the diplomat we knew and loved from the tv show long gone and finally succumbing to the urges of revenge and anger that any of us would naturally feel after going thru what he did. Absolutely brilliant work.
PTSD. Star Trek TNG never dealt with it except in the episode " Family " with his older brother Robert. Then they kill him & Rene off in ST Generations.
@@JoeChillton It's more about what was taken than all he had swore against. Everything he believed that made him the human being he was, had been taken away.
one of the all-time greatest scenes in Trek history right here: superbly shot and directed, well-written and sublimely acted. I always come close to tears whenever I see Picard delivering his "the line must be drawn here" speech.
+Blood Raven I would had suggested to Worf as well as Picard to find a way of modifying the weapons, making one last attempt to fight the Borg. If not, then self destruct the Enterprise.
You can tell that revenge had festered in Picard's heart for those six years and it came out in that anger spurt. Worf knows his honor was impugned and one of his best friends hurt him so badly. The crew is destined to kill all the Borg yet scared shitless. Just a flawless sci-fi Film, Abrams take notes, man. This is the real stuff!
Picard smugly bringing up his superior morality based on being from the future: “In my century we don’t succumb to revenge. We have a more evolved sensibility.” Amazing dialogue.
Its pretty easy to have a superior moral outlook when you grow up in a world that's basically paradise, with no crime, poverty, famine or social injustice. Take away those comforts though, expose them to danger and fear and death, and the humans of the 24th century are just as capable of immoral behavior as people today.
@@SirCraigius That's why it's important we continue to improve society - bring those third world countries up to our level, and, of course, keep improving ourselves.
@SirCraigius @@OhManTFE and one thing that keeps us tied to (a shared*) reality is FAR-past shared fictions (ie: books). This example: Moby Dick. *even in our differing cultures (and of course, with the assumption that we're missing a lot of YET-UNTOLD stories from cultures with less publishing power, but are no less real &/or worthy of publication/socialmediavirility)
I was in the theatre in 96 when this first came out...as this scene played, the audience was so quiet...then when lily said..captian ahab has to go hunt his whale....there was such a audible gasp in the theatre.....it was truly a iconic moment.... It also adds more depth and gravitas to the character....we all know Picard as the unflappable diplomat...able to maintain the coolest composure even in the most unsettling of circumstances....even going through the horror of Best of Both Worlds...he seemed to be unfazed afterwards....you saw just a bit of surface cracks in the Family episode...but after that...everything was normal... This whole scene really leads you to think, what was really happening to Picard under the surface, from the moments in Family to this point....was his coolness just a facade?....was he really struggling underneath....or, perhaps the biggest denial in all history, forced back to the surface again?....A great character study moment.....
I still love this entire scene. You really feel for Picard. Entire systems....worlds....cultures gone. *THE LINE MUST THE DRAWN HERE! NO FURTHER!* Fantastic scene.
"I will not sacrifice the Enterprise. We made too my compromises already, too many retreats. They invade our space, and we fall back. They assimilate entire worlds, and we fall back. Not again. The line must be drawn here! This far! NO FURTHER! And I will make them PAY for what they've done!"
Crewman: Ummm, sounds like they’re fighting...shouldn’t we go check up on them, doctor? Crusher: You wanna go in there? Be my guest. That room is the most dangerous place in the ship right now, and this is a borg infected ship!
After rewatching all of the Star Trek films, TOS certainly has the better films overall, but First Contact is the best Star Trek ANYTHING in my mind. It's the emotional culmination of the crew's - in particular Picard's - battle with the Borg. Patri Stewart was at his absolute best in this film. And this film still stands the test of time. One of the greatest SF films ever.
@@xaviervega468 They're very similar thematically---Khan destroys himself chasing after Kirk, and Picard almost does the same with his quest against the Borg. Both heavy on the Moby Dick references.
@@blppt they also both have side plots about the scientific hope of the future. The Genesis project, and the warp flight of the Phoenix, serve the same purposes in the story.
In my opinion, this is one of the most powerful scenes in any Star Trek film or series - this anger has been building inside Picard since Best of Both Worlds, and finally he can't hold it back anymore. Goes without saying, but Sir Patrick Stewart NAILS this performance and conveys all that emotion in a way no other Trek actor past or present could have done.
I love that she insulted him on an unknown level by invoking Captain Ahab. In the 24th century Khan’s Ahab-esque quest for revenge against Kirk may be the stuff of infamy, so Lily not only called him irrational but inadvertently compared him to one of the worst war criminals in human history.
This sequence is pure magic. It remains one of my favorite moments. It takes a very peculiar alchemy to create something like this. The actors talent, chemistry and storytelling bricklaying and well written dialog, music.... it all built up to this point. It is really a hard thing to properly put into words. Lighting in a bottle is accurate but somehow lacking. Still one of my all time favorites.
That music change at 6:17 gets me every time. The realisation that he hasn't heeded the warnings from a book he read as a boy and is destined for doom.
1.02-1.18: Worf's reaction is priceless. For a Klingon, the biggest insult possible is being called a coward. The only thing holding him back (apart from Picard's superior rank) is his respect for Picard as C.O.; as Worf says, any other man would be dead! Then, there's 4.16 onwards. I know Picard is a fan of the classics, but it shows how good an actor Patrick Stewart really is!
When she says "you broke your little ships" Picard realises some things are more important that the enterprise itself. Similar to when DATA couldn't win the game of Strategema, he stopped fighting on their terms and saved the rest of his crew.
So many people only know the "the line must be drawn here" moment but have no idea that the whole point of the scene was his change of heart at the end. Yes it started off as protecting himself and others but turned in to flat out revenge and blind hatred of "them." Sound familiar? This is why I love Picard so much, he was one thousand percent convinced he was right, and one thousand percent owned that he was wrong when he realized it, that's not an easy thing to do given what happened to him. How many people have similar things in their life and don't realize that they're taking it too far? This is also absolutely why I love Star Trek too, the first time I saw that scene it pulled the rug from under my feet, I was so with him, "wE nEeD tO sAvE tHe ShIp," after that I have been far more careful about my knee jerk reactions, and biases. Thank you Star Trek, Thank you Patrick Stewart and especially thank you Alfre Woodard for that face melting scene, you don't get enough credit for that and changed my life.
It warms the little lit major heart of mine that it was a book reference that shocked Picard out of stupor and made him realize the error of his ways. The look of shock on his face when she calls him Ahab the first time is amazing.
Abrams produces nostalgic entertainment with great visuals and fun, but without a deep message, without something that can change your thoughts. Something you remember ten years later, that touched your soul. It is ok to be just entertained, but it is not the Star Trek we loved.
+schnubbel76 What you guys continually miss, is the fact that Abrams made films that were meant to resurrect a franchise. They were the first films to NOT be based on characters we got to know in a TV series beforehand. We're comparing apples and oranges here.
+schnubbel76 Abrams has done great all things considered! The "09 was him stepping on the "right" butterflies & that DID take balls. Into Darkness, on that note, was missing A testical eh? That second trailer of Beyond though way, way, WAYYYYYY damn better than the "Furious" first one. The Franchise is so WAY BEHIND schedule showing ST the true 💗💗💗💗 it deserves! And NOT having ANY 😳😳😳 animated series since the Filmation ones?!???!!!?? Is this Q's fault or WHA???
i originally felt as you do about star trek 5, but i re-re-re-(re?) watched it and despite how bizzare it is, its actually entertaining. The intro is pretty epic with a laughing vulcan, the klingons are actually dynamic instead of purely antagonists, and the movie turns incredibly dark when the villain is exposed, which was thrilling despite the omnipresent satire. The resolution having would-be foes drinking together on the enterprise after what they witnessed is a powerful denouement, and the final camp ground scene brings things full-circle. It is out of place in the TOS movies but I regard it highly now. Honestly I think it's better than 4. I feel 4 was the most ridiculous of all the movies, even more than 5.
Oscar worthy performance from Sir Patrick Stewart in this scene alone. Of course it was overlooked by Hollywood as it was 'only Star Trek' and not some arty farty shit that nobody watched outside of the judging panel.
Personally, I'd go with the entire last 20 minutes of The Wrath of Kahn. Every type of feels imaginable, and Shatner sells Spock's death scene so utterly completely.
There aren't many actors who appeared in TNG who aren't at risk of looking outclassed in Stewart's company... I remember Marina Sirtis being asked why shy thought TNG was such a hit and she said 'Frankly it was because we had old baldy'. I think John Delancey was able to pair well, but I would say that Alfre Woodard did really well in this scene and indeed the movie, particularly from the point of view that she was the guest actor.
Watching this scene again, I now agree with Shinzon in Star Trek: Nemesis. Had he lived his life, Picard would have totally been consumed with revenge like he was.
Such passion. Whenever Picard shatters the glass there and gives that whole "The line must be drawn here" speech, I always start to imagine a Red Lantern ring appearing before Picard lol. Now that would be a sick battle.
Considering what Guy Gardner was able to do with Red Lantern Ring against the Black Lanterns (if I remember correctly he got a higher body count than the rest of the Green Lantern Corps put together), Picard + Red Lantern Ring = No More Borg (probably anywhere).
Tied for first best Star Trek movie with Wrath of Kahn in score, tension, and actor's performances. Sir Patrick Stuart NAILED this aspect of Picard. This is easily the best scene of the movie.
This is one of the most powerful scenes in all of Star Trek. The acting is truly amazing, backed by a perfect scrpit and superb score. I really wish I could tell all involved how much I love this scene.
I came here because I was reminded of this scene from something else, but Shaw's monologue was great! Him and Sisko share similar PTSD from that battle.
Patrick Stewart is literally trembling with rage when he delivers that last line. Conviction and absolute dedication to the source material. Almost as if he were channelling the sadness and trauma from his mudfight in the vineyard with Robert. "I should have been able to stop them! But I wasn't strong enough!"
I like how, after Picard gives his spiel on how people in his century don’t succumb to revenge, Lily just says “Bullshit!” and calls the captain out on it.
Andrew Gardiner oh yeah! I love how that line may have worked on people from Picard’s era, but Lily’s experience in humanity’s dark past allows her to see right through the platitudes.
"Evolved sensibilities" Pshh, even in the most fantastic and hopeful depictions of humanity's future we could never imagine getting away from our lust for revenge when we've been truly wounded. I love this scene because Picard is forced to see it, that no matter how distant you are from the past, resentment will always be your greatest enemy.
When a Klingon tells you you're wrong to continue fighting, you know you've screwed up.
You coward ! 😂
You’ve put it so succinctly. Magnificent efficiency.
Is it just me or am I the one thinking Worf was out of line to argue about Picards order to stand ground?
@@rotyler2177 It's just you.
@@rotyler2177 well as picard says earlier to Lily that the Federation/United Federation of Planets had made too many compromises already too many retreats. The Borg invade Federation space and the UFP withdraws. They assimilate entire worlds and the Federation falls back. Picard was sick of the status quo, to make a stand although odds were slim and insurmountable situation of the borg advance on the Enterprise E
"You're afraid. You want to destroy the ship and run away. You coward!" TO A KLINGON. BALLS OF SOLID ROCK.
"In my century, we don't succumb to revenge. We have a more... sensability."
"BULLSHIT!"
Alfre Woodard is totally awesome.
It was funny how Picard completely forgot about his encounter with Captain Maxwell and the USS Phoenix.
"You didn't even try! Where was your evolved sensibility then!?"
@@blppt That wasn't revenge that was Maxwell going off half cocked while being kinda right.
fun fact, that was the second curse word to ever be uttered in Star Trek film or TV up to that point with the first being Data saying "Oh Shit" as the saucer section of the enterprise D entered the atmosphere of Veridian 3 during the events of Generations.
@@DanielRichards644 Actually the original six TOS films had some profanity as well.
The thing is, Patrick Stewart actually played Captain Ahab in a Moby Dick film about a couple years later.
+toad g It is a bit ironic since Moby Dick is mentioned here.
+to g One of the great ironies...
+Guidogregotti I think the Moby Dick connection had more to do with the Wrath of Khan.
+to g It was a great and funny moment, when Lily said, she never read Moby Dick, and so Picard smiled, because he could tell her about the story.
Angelus Surely Lily had heard about it and was somewhat familiar with the basic plot, however...
Picard, the only man who called Worf a coward to his face and is still alive
+fringelife because of his time on the enterprise and knowing captain picard so long he had garnered respect from worf.this is why worf said what he did to picard after being called a coward. worf still respect picard...
I know but I think Worf would rip his head off it was Riker who said that lol. Data could say it to Worf's face, but he's not a man and probably the only one who could protect Riker too.
+hellshade2 I am glad Picard apologized to Worf and told him he is the bravest man he has even known. I thought that was a touching little moment.
I bet if he called any other Klingon a coward, he would of wound up dead
Guinan, the only woman who called Worf a coward to his face and is still alive (See TNG: Yesterday's Enterprise)
Patrick Stewart is indeed one of the best. But let us not overlook that Alfre Woodard stood ground with him every step of the way. These two were magic together in every single scene.
Bullshit.
We was p*ssed off big time! He had a right to feel the way he did and she gave him a reality check.
Alfre Woodard is FANTASTIC in this scene - the perfect foil for Pat.
This is one of my favourite scenes in the whole Trek canon.
she's perfect in the whole movie. Only out acted by Patrick Stewart
It's so wonderful to watch them play off each other.
Yeah she's great.
This scene between the two of them is the absolute best. Watching these two act off one another is spectacular
Benjamin Jonathan James Sisko Archer Tiberius Kirk This is one of my favorite scenes in Star Trek too. I love how Lily’s shrewd common sense and blunt personality is able to cut right to the heart of the matter. Skills that must have been hard earned during the wars she’s live through. Plus she challenges Picard with SUCH passion. She’s such a interesting depiction of humanity’s unrefined potential during this era.
1:06 I love how Beverly firmly says "Jean-Luc!". She knows he went too far calling Worf a coward
I love how she said it as a woman talking to her man.
@@augustsonseventy42 Still waters DO run deep.
Patrick Stewart should have won an oscar for that scene.
Yes, Stewart was told to play the anti-Picard and he almost did it convincingly. This is not Picard, however.
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To be fair, he's been through a lot. Between the Cardassian torture and the Borg, I imagine no one would ever be the same person they were when they first became captain of Enterprise D.
@@manictiger The problem is that 'they' decided that Picard should be an action hero in these movies. That's bad. Apparently, that's what Steward himself want. Then Picard gets really mad. That's not the bit I meant, exactly because of your point. The silly thing is that he says "A line must be drawn here" and then he suddenly caves in because she calls him 'Aheb' randomly. and Picard snaps out of it, rambling about Moby Dick and revenge.
@@Prometheus4096 So an officer in this military organization shouldn't be able to handle himself in a fight?? This is no different than the Picard that defended the Enterprise against terrorists all by himself. This is no different than the Picard that fought Nausicaans in that bar. Only this time, his anger and pain runs far deeper. Sometimes, I dont think the people trashing this movie and this scene have actually watched the show
@@LukeLovesRose Picard isn't Rambo. If you don't agree, you can fuck off.
I truly believe Patrick Stewart is one of THE BEST actors of all time, when he's angry about the Borg or whatever in Star Trek, I can just feel it. There's not many actors who can pull that off as well as him.
There are many other actors who can pull that off.
He is truly a fine actor and a fine starship captain indeed.
Thats simply because he was a classically trained actor, he understands the fundamentals and what it means to become a character. He didn't curse (maybe said "damn") but this seen alone shows how he can convey deep anger and contempt. 4:16 - 4:38 Its written all over his face, his eyes, his body language.
^ exactly what i wanted to say but didnt know how to put it
Yes, except this is not Picard.
I remember all the adverts for this film heavily featuring the "I will make them pay for what they've done" and naively thinking this moment was going to be badass. When I finally saw this scene in full for the first time his anger genuinely shocked me. It's a testament to Patrick Stewart's amazing acting showing us this exposed vulnerable side of one of my all-time beloved heroes.
Let's just hope the new ST series doesn't fuck us over by fucking up Jean Luc Picard like SW fucked up Luke Skywalker.
@@LukeLovesRose he will be a different Picard . a Jake Picard
@@MajorGrin Shut up. Don't give them any ideas. They're desperate as it is.
@@LukeLovesRose It did.
@@LukeLovesRose i mean if you count giving him an actual character as fucking him up then worry not, jean luc already has plenty of a character.
"And he piled upon the whale's white hump, a sum of all the rage and hate felt by his whole race. If his chest had been a cannon he have shot his heart upon it."
He delivers this line so beautifully. This scene will forever be one of my favourite Star Trek moments.
It's not quite the line as Melville wrote it. But Picard's rendition serves this scene nicely.
Dane Parker Picard paraphrased the line very poetically. As you say, it's not verbatim. But it's true to the original sentiment of the source material. In all honesty, I think I prefer Picard's version.
Similar in a way to Kirk paraphrasing the line from "A tale of two cities" at the end of Star Trek II.
If his chest had a pulse cannon he have shot his fart upon it.
The funny thing is is that he played Captain Ahab in a USA Network movie.
Somewhere, Q is sitting back, watching Picard, and having a big laugh over the whole situation.
Let me guess q is in equestria.
did you get that from sfdebris review of this movie?
who?
SFDebris, he is a Internet reviewer, and has made the same observation as you that Q set the entire thing up to spite Picard
_"Evolved, indeed..."_
You can see just how deeply the Borg wounded Picard in this scene, all those emotions that lie dormant for so many years - the 1000's of star fleet deaths because of what the Borg forced him to do. All bubbled to the surface. Great scene
Six years is not really so many years, but still six years too many to sit on such massive emotional trauma without properly expressing and resolving it....
One thing that a lot of people don't quite realize is that in being assimilated, Picard was not just subjected to the trauma of that experience, but he also was made aware of the full extent of the Borg Collective. The full extent of just how many worlds they have assimilated. How many lives they have destroyed.
You can hear it in this scene. In the future that he comes from, the Borg have not managed to assimilate any Federation world, or any Alpha or Beta Quadrant world for that matter, and yet Picard speaks as if they're an unassailable tide of oblivion, washing over civilization. It's because he knows, far better than any human, just what the Borg has done.
If I recall, Captain Sisko hated Picard at first because Picard as Locutus was a part of a Borg attack that killed Sisko's wife. He later forgave him and saved Picard's life at one point. So I understand the underlying pain and trauma that Picard is dealing with and unleashes in this seen.
@@TedShatner10 No need to play semantics and technicalities. 6 years can feel like a lifetime to someone living with trauma.
@@TedShatner10 His brother Robert helped him with some " tough love ". Troi again proved USELESS.
3:09 is the most legit uttering of "bullshit" that I've ever heard
Hats off to Michael Dorn for holding his own with THE Sir Patrick Stewart in this emotionally charged moment. One of the best moments in all of TNG.
The look on his face when he says "and I will make them pay for what they've done!", the rage and hatred he displays is staggering!!!
What an actor he is!
We have been fortunate to bear witness to an actor at the height of his craft giving a performance worthy of any award that could be given him.
Thank you, Sir Patrick 😃
Interesting thing is that he played Ahab too in Moby Dick movie.
The reaction to rape. That's what the borg did.
Forgive the late reply, but the subtle momentary change of his expression after he makes that line before walking back to his desk is eerie. This is a man who flits between such rage and then cool focus. He really is the closest to losing everything that makes him a good man in that very moment.
The funny thing was that he got so angry that it knocked him back out of his rage.
'Tis a strange thing to watch...
@@asheer9114 I watched that because of Patrick Stewart. Awesome way to get introduced to the timeless American nautical adventure.
This is one of my favorite scenes in all of Star Trek because one of the hardest parts of living a life is admitting you are wrong and changing or reversing course.
"Actually, I never read it." This simple line of dialogue allows Picard to transform from a soldier in the throws of rage to a scholar educating someone on classic literature. With his mind clear of hate he allows himself to think rationally about the safety and well-being of his friends and crew. They are what are most important to him, and take precedent over his grudge with the Borg.
i like to think that the little smirk he gives is an acknowledgement of the real reach of an incredible author that his work can speak to people who never even read it.
I like the fact that there are so many quotes and sayings that we know even though we never read or understood the context of their origins.
And the realisation that for all his ability to quote endlessly from literature, he is no more morally "advanced" than this person who understands the moral of the story without even having read it. It punctures all his "evolved mortality" pomposity from a moment before.
@@jmackmcneill He uses a " straw man " argument. Worf's objection may have been outright insubordination, BUT he was still VERY RIGHT.
3:42 Ah yes, a good ol' literary reference. 100% surefire way to get through to Picard : )
As a student of classic literature...yes, actually!
The thing is, most people never reference Shakespear nowadays in basic concersation. Theyd reference something else like Vader and revenge or something.
Can we just take a moment to appreciate Michael Dorn's intensity in this scene? That might be the most intimate personal moment ever displayed by Worf, speaking to Picard in such a fashion.
Just awesome work by the writers, and awesome acting by the TNG crew!
It is definitely one of his best. My personal favorite is when he saved Jadzia allowing the double agent to die and explained to her that she was his first priority.
This is great cinema. Great acting, great music, great toppic and big emotions. Love the movie.
+pleXus NO ! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Great acting yes.
Great Cinema, no.
Film creates a Mirror Universe Picard that would never behave like this even under extreme circumstances.
-6 Years before this he encountered Borg again....He never behaved like this.
-He had a empath on board who would have known in both Descent and I Borg.
-This is the Man who was tortured by Cardsassians and STILL FELT PITY for his abusers
-This is the man who was shot in chest with an arrow to prove he wasn't a God
-This is the man who CHOSE to be stabbed in the heart than live a safe life
Picard is NOT the man you see in this scene.
saquist
Yeah. You are absolutly right. But the Picard we see in this movie is a realer Picard with a more natural and believable character. I am not saying the TNG Series Picard is a bad one, because it wouldn't be possible to regarde every aspect of this complex person... But we even in the series we see a Picard, who is emotionaly unstable sometimes. When little Wesley tries to go on his bridge, when he fuses with Sarek... When he remembers the life he already lived... And when he sees 5 lights, but refuses to say that, because he knows better.
+saquist it is great acting and cinema, you're just wrong and can't except characters evolving and changing.
And no Janeway shooting 95 out of her 38 torpedoes:)
Great acting from Patrick Stewart here, no doubt. But that scene would'nt have worked without out Alfre Woodard, great actress.
Very true but I could have heard Picard saying the exact same words on Alexander Marcus's ship USS Vengeance. He would have truly made the Borg pay with the most extreme prejudice and he would have been Star Trek's version of Vader doing it. One hunts Jedi, the other hunts Borg.
I have always, ALWAYS loved the fact that the model he breaks in this scene is the one for the Enterprise-D.
There is no way that's a coincidence.
I have confirmed with John Eaves that the Enterprise-D model was the target model for Patrick to hit with the rifle. They had pre-damaged versions made to put in the case after the fall.
yes i caught that as well.
Of course. It was the most recent scar; the ship he had just lost; the reason he didn't want to loose the E.
@@AlexandarHullRichter I've always suspected that it was the 1701 - D. It makes all manner of sense.
@@DanielAppleton-lr9eqAnd also the Enterprise-C, which he sent back in time to be destroyed by the Romulans.
Superb acting from Michael Dorn here. That rage in his face, that sense of personal insult from a man he respect so much, visibly pushes him right to the edge of his ability to control himself. Standing your ground against Patrick Stewart or Jean-Luc Picard; I'm not sure which is harder, but we see both in this moment.
For me, the only real great actors on TNG were Dorn, Spiner, and Stewart. The rest of them were mediocre to bad. Well, Levar might have been (Roots, for example) but his Geordi character was just so poorly written and a sad sack that its hard to tell.
@@blppt Ironically Colm Meaney (Chief O'Brien) had better-written episodes for him when he was a guest star on TNG and then DS9, The episode Wounded was an excellent episode, which producers saw how good of an actor Meaney actually was which led him being on DS9.
@@kd84afc Yeah, but Colm was never part of the main cast on TNG. Just a recurring minor character. Even in "The Wounded" he wasn't in the entire episode.
@@blppt I acknowledged he was a guest star. Meany did play a pivotal role in that episode, Got more of his back story in one episode and excellent scene in ten forward about PTSD, he also came up with the solution to get aboard the phoenix, so my point was, he's character was well written especially for a guest star.
It is a great man, who can immediately look outside himself and see the truth....and admit the error of his ways.
Bring me back that era of cinematography, when you lived in the scene, like here! Even right music in right moments gives a goosebumps of ability to explore the characters on the inside, not just see what they say about themselves.
I dont know what it is about this scene, probably Sir Patrick Stewart and Alfre Woodards acting, but the exchange "Blow up the damn ship", "Nooooo" absolutely kills me everytime. REALLY powerful emotion, really genuine reaction and you literally FEEL it knowing why Picard feels the way he does and why he wants it to be that way, then to see the realisation hit him, of what hes doing is wrong, the way that its explained and paraphrased via Moby Dick is just excellent.
Excellent writing, excellent dialogue, excellent scene. Infact I think this film is very underrated, even if your not a Star Trek fan I think its very enjoyable and it still holds up well today.
Great acting. A great character moment
Probably the best scene in Star Trek history! Not just for Picards character but the fact that Stewart/Woodard together in this scene is 2 actors at the very top of their game, sparring with equals who elevated each other! Patrick and Alfre's chemistry is off the DAMN scale!
Easily my favorite Star Trek Movie.
@@v8Buster87 They had TONS of time to show Picard dealing with PTSD. Only in the episode " Family " did they have Robert help him deal with his trauma, albeit using the time - honored method of TOUGH LOVE.
Naaah his scene with shinzon is his best scene
The one thing I like about this sequence is that Lily kept picking away at Picard until he realized that he was letting his anger get the better of him.
Sometimes anger has to be let out, otherwise, it boils beneath the surface, slowly churning into something far more sinister: hatred.
@@darthimperious1594 Agreed....its never a good idea to bottle anger up
@@hpa2005 That's what happened with Jean - Luc all through the rest of the Next Generation. His interaction with his brother Robert was an example of " *tough love* " but it worked. They almost NEVER portrayed Picard with PTSD during the run of the series.
Probably one of the best scenes I've ever seen in a movie.
Every single line of this dialogue just fits perfectly. Great writing, Greater acting, very good literacy reference! The dichotomy of these two characters who come from different times and worlds completes the scene.
+LOEweNz@Hn no argument here
+hpa2005 agreed! Picard's anger here is completely understandable give the fact that the borg more or less raped him in best of both worlds.
+hpa2005 nor here!
@@nigelmurphy6761 "AND I WILL MAKE THEM PAY FOR WHAT THEY HAVE DONE! (to me)"
Two characters of two times and worlds REFERENCING A THIRD. Truly remarkable.
Probably the best scene, from the best film, with the best captain.
Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan would like a word.
Clippy what are you smoking
bodie of ci5 doesn’t compare
Clippy Would you be level headed after having all that Picard went through? I would have lost my fucking mind long before this, and Picard didn’t even succumb to his rage; he let it out and then overcame it.
@Clippy Hey dude. This is actually something people call "character development". Check it out.
Alfre Woodard is one of my favorite actors. Saw her for the first time many years ago in an episode of the TV Show, Hill Street Blues. She was phenomenal then and has been ever since.
Very on point for Picard to be convinced by a literary reference
4:16 Patrick Stewart is one gifted actor.
4:00 He is brilliant
One of the finest pieces of acting by Patrick Stewart.
Mr. Stewart is a star. The difference between a star and an actor is an actor pretends to be someone else. A star *becomes* someone else. And that's exactly what he did here.
i'd love to know how many times they tried to film this brilliant scene 'til they achieved this result
+Daniel Williamson "NO! NOOOOOOO!!!" >*SMASH*< Now THAT is pure rage.
Here's the thing. There are directors out there who make movies where every 3rd word is a swear word, which basically de-synthesizes them and makes them lose all their effect because you see/hear it constantly. By comparison, in scenes like this, sure, we've seen Cpt.Picard simmer with anger a few times over the years during TNG, but we're so used to him being composed and methodical - so now, when he's finally hit a limit and starts to actually boil, it has a lot of impact. People unfamiliar with the series or movies will see good acting, whereas TNG'ers see a cherished character hit a breaking point and nearly crack (alongside that good ole acting that made Patrick one of the most popular Captains). It doesn't happen often thus it stands out by a mile (and is a joy to watch).
The point of this scene is to show a firmly disciplined mind like Picard's needing a lesser mind (as seen with the auracle vs architect in the Matrix) to make a constructive decision. A similar struggle (amplified by MSM) takes place between conservatives and liberals. Somewhere in the middle often works for everyone.
Excellent analysis!!!!!
Well said. This is one of my favorite scenes of any Trek Show ever. Came here after hearing he's returningto the role
Jonathan Frakes, who played Riker, directed this film, and man did he do an awesome job. Im guessing his experience of working with the cast and crew and knowing the backstory of Picard becoming Borg and then trying to recover while having ptsd would have had a massive influence. Plus he became known as "two takes frakes" because of his ability to get the best out the actors without spending too many takes to get what he wanted. That is amazing and a great example of what makes a great director
But let's not forget that THERE....ARE....FOUR....LIGHTS!!!
The line must be drawn heyah!
No further!
The line is heyayeayeayeahyeah, heyayaya... I say hey...
Robin Hood Men in Tights?
And I... will make them pay for what they have done!
Masterclass in acting. "The line must be drawn here!" Shivers....
Picard knew exactly what to say to press Worfs buttons.NEVER EVER CALL A KLINGON A COWARD
He might have hoped to get Worf emotionally riled up to go and kill the Borg.
But over many years Worf has learned to be a bit more in control and think of himself as a Starfleet officer first and a Klingon second.
@@joshuasantana685 he refused to fight for his own race in DS9. Was branded a traitor.
Worf has a grudging respect for Picard, even in his insulted pride: “if you were any other man, I’d kill you where you stand”
Piccard remembered he was his Cha'dich knew he was safe lol.
You can really see Sir Patrick Stewart’s Shakespearean roots here. One of the best segments in all of Star Trek dialogs.
Lilly hitting a grand slam with that monologue.
This scene alone is why First Contact is the best Trek movie of all-time. Period.
TNG era? Perhaps, but no Star Trek movie has beaten The Wrath of Khan yet.
@@enricmm85 Wrath of Khan is completely overrated in my opinion, Star Trek 4 is the best of the TOS cast.
@@raoulduke1961 Star Trek 4 is a flipping comedy. It's a great movie but really shouldn't even count as a trek movie. Star Trek 6 is a better Trek movie and a good send off for the original crew.
Everyone here is wrong. Nemesis was obviously the best movie. Stuart Baird really showed how much he cared about Star Trek when he made that masterp--
Okay, I can't do this with a straight face.
Not the best (not so long as Wrath of Khan exists), but definitely my favourite.
This is the culmination of Picard’s struggle with the Borg. Went further than even Sisko arguably, the diplomat we knew and loved from the tv show long gone and finally succumbing to the urges of revenge and anger that any of us would naturally feel after going thru what he did. Absolutely brilliant work.
PTSD. Star Trek TNG never dealt with it except in the episode " Family " with his older brother Robert. Then they kill him & Rene off in ST Generations.
@@DanielAppleton-lr9eq The fight with Robert is also an exquisite piece of acting by Stewart. Your heart broke for him in that moment.
My god... the Goldsmiths' score in this film is just beautiful! Love this movie.
The only time Picard shows any irrational or aggressive emotion and it's through sheer anger and hatred. I never thought I'd see him like that.
When taken by the Borg and still revealed to have their implants in him (seen in Picard S3), any anger can be slightly excused
@@JoeChillton It's more about what was taken than all he had swore against. Everything he believed that made him the human being he was, had been taken away.
this.
THIS right here, this is Picard's Kobayashi Maru scenario.
and he just cheated it through.
one of the all-time greatest scenes in Trek history right here: superbly shot and directed, well-written and sublimely acted. I always come close to tears whenever I see Picard delivering his "the line must be drawn here" speech.
Patrick Stewart is excellent in this scene, I've always known Picard to keep his cool, but in this scene he lost his temper.
Excellent scene
+Blood Raven Ain't the first time. He lost it couple times in TNG
+Blood Raven I would had suggested to Worf as well as Picard to find a way of modifying the weapons, making one last attempt to fight the Borg. If not, then self destruct the Enterprise.
Daniel Williamson They had gone through the full frequency spectrum but the Borg had adapted to all of them, the fight was over by that point.
I bet Q was rolling over laughing at how Picard got legitimately angry for the first time.
@Clippy no... it just makes him more human and relatable
“The line must be drawn HERE! No further!!” ALWAYS get goosebumps during this scene, no matter how many times I have seen it. Such an amazing actor.
You can tell that revenge had festered in Picard's heart for those six years and it came out in that anger spurt. Worf knows his honor was impugned and one of his best friends hurt him so badly. The crew is destined to kill all the Borg yet scared shitless. Just a flawless sci-fi Film, Abrams take notes, man. This is the real stuff!
Jar Jar Abrams can't even direct his own shits down the toilet!
If it turns out to not be a publicity stunt, we could very possibly see Tarantino directing a Trek movie.
Joe Gibbs I have no desire to see a Tarantino Trek movie.
Picard smugly bringing up his superior morality based on being from the future:
“In my century we don’t succumb to revenge. We have a more evolved sensibility.” Amazing dialogue.
I love that about Star Trek. Humans are just intellectually more evolved in the future and are in more control of there Primal Instincts.
Its pretty easy to have a superior moral outlook when you grow up in a world that's basically paradise, with no crime, poverty, famine or social injustice. Take away those comforts though, expose them to danger and fear and death, and the humans of the 24th century are just as capable of immoral behavior as people today.
@@SirCraigius That's why it's important we continue to improve society - bring those third world countries up to our level, and, of course, keep improving ourselves.
@SirCraigius @@OhManTFE and one thing that keeps us tied to (a shared*) reality is FAR-past shared fictions (ie: books). This example: Moby Dick.
*even in our differing cultures
(and of course, with the assumption that we're missing a lot of YET-UNTOLD stories from cultures with less publishing power, but are no less real &/or worthy of publication/socialmediavirility)
@@SirCraigius bro you almost quoted quark. :).
I was in the theatre in 96 when this first came out...as this scene played, the audience was so quiet...then when lily said..captian ahab has to go hunt his whale....there was such a audible gasp in the theatre.....it was truly a iconic moment....
It also adds more depth and gravitas to the character....we all know Picard as the unflappable diplomat...able to maintain the coolest composure even in the most unsettling of circumstances....even going through the horror of Best of Both Worlds...he seemed to be unfazed afterwards....you saw just a bit of surface cracks in the Family episode...but after that...everything was normal...
This whole scene really leads you to think, what was really happening to Picard under the surface, from the moments in Family to this point....was his coolness just a facade?....was he really struggling underneath....or, perhaps the biggest denial in all history, forced back to the surface again?....A great character study moment.....
I still love this entire scene.
You really feel for Picard.
Entire systems....worlds....cultures gone.
*THE LINE MUST THE DRAWN HERE! NO FURTHER!*
Fantastic scene.
God damn, what a well written and acted scene. God damn.
This movie is 20 years old and Patrick Stewart looks the same today as he does here
He does he looks older 20+yrs
John Wrigley Hmm, maybe I haven't seen much of him recently but he does age pretty well
He looks the same in Dune movie as well hes still bald lol.
When you've been bald with white hair since your late-30s, that will happen.
His voice has changed
"I will not sacrifice the Enterprise. We made too my compromises already, too many retreats. They invade our space, and we fall back. They assimilate entire worlds, and we fall back. Not again. The line must be drawn here! This far! NO FURTHER! And I will make them PAY for what they've done!"
Just like with Putin.
Crewman: Ummm, sounds like they’re fighting...shouldn’t we go check up on them, doctor?
Crusher: You wanna go in there? Be my guest. That room is the most dangerous place in the ship right now, and this is a borg infected ship!
Alfre Woodard, Patrick Stewart, some fine direction and, at last but not least, the beautiful and profound work of the master, Jerry Goldsmith.
This is the real Star Trek. This movie had so much heart.
It's easier to have "heart" in a film when it's based on 179 episodes of television that happened before it.
@@stevencramsie9172 I saw this film before any other Star Trek media and I still thought it was one of the best films I'd ever watched.
Yes, its unbelievable how much better this is than the crap they serve today
All Trek is the real Trek
Still gives me chills and a rush of emotion more than twenty years later..... =/\=
After rewatching all of the Star Trek films, TOS certainly has the better films overall, but First Contact is the best Star Trek ANYTHING in my mind. It's the emotional culmination of the crew's - in particular Picard's - battle with the Borg. Patri Stewart was at his absolute best in this film.
And this film still stands the test of time. One of the greatest SF films ever.
@Reunite The British Empire Said no-one EVER.
@Reunite The British Empire 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 you're not funny
Wrath of Khan is the best Star Trek film. First Contact is a close second.
@@xaviervega468 They're very similar thematically---Khan destroys himself chasing after Kirk, and Picard almost does the same with his quest against the Borg.
Both heavy on the Moby Dick references.
@@blppt they also both have side plots about the scientific hope of the future. The Genesis project, and the warp flight of the Phoenix, serve the same purposes in the story.
At 0:24 the crewman glanced at Worf to tell him I can't go against captain's orders or it's my ass but you can.
The line in the sand speech is the best set of lines in star trek
More proof that First Contact is the best Star Trek movie
In my opinion, this is one of the most powerful scenes in any Star Trek film or series - this anger has been building inside Picard since Best of Both Worlds, and finally he can't hold it back anymore. Goes without saying, but Sir Patrick Stewart NAILS this performance and conveys all that emotion in a way no other Trek actor past or present could have done.
I love that she insulted him on an unknown level by invoking Captain Ahab. In the 24th century Khan’s Ahab-esque quest for revenge against Kirk may be the stuff of infamy, so Lily not only called him irrational but inadvertently compared him to one of the worst war criminals in human history.
When he says " And I will make them pay for what they've done" gives me chills everytime. His whole face transforms!
This sequence is pure magic. It remains one of my favorite moments.
It takes a very peculiar alchemy to create something like this. The actors talent, chemistry and storytelling bricklaying and well written dialog, music.... it all built up to this point. It is really a hard thing to properly put into words.
Lighting in a bottle is accurate but somehow lacking. Still one of my all time favorites.
Acting 10/10 in this scene, great great movie!
That music change at 6:17 gets me every time. The realisation that he hasn't heeded the warnings from a book he read as a boy and is destined for doom.
1.02-1.18: Worf's reaction is priceless. For a Klingon, the biggest insult possible is being called a coward. The only thing holding him back (apart from Picard's superior rank) is his respect for Picard as C.O.; as Worf says, any other man would be dead! Then, there's 4.16 onwards. I know Picard is a fan of the classics, but it shows how good an actor Patrick Stewart really is!
When she says "you broke your little ships" Picard realises some things are more important that the enterprise itself. Similar to when DATA couldn't win the game of Strategema, he stopped fighting on their terms and saved the rest of his crew.
Such an amazing scene, Alfre Woodard is definitely one of my favorite actresses.
+Arkadiem I quite agree. She holds up to Stewards acting caliber in this scene. Not an easy task by any means.
So many people only know the "the line must be drawn here" moment but have no idea that the whole point of the scene was his change of heart at the end. Yes it started off as protecting himself and others but turned in to flat out revenge and blind hatred of "them." Sound familiar? This is why I love Picard so much, he was one thousand percent convinced he was right, and one thousand percent owned that he was wrong when he realized it, that's not an easy thing to do given what happened to him. How many people have similar things in their life and don't realize that they're taking it too far? This is also absolutely why I love Star Trek too, the first time I saw that scene it pulled the rug from under my feet, I was so with him, "wE nEeD tO sAvE tHe ShIp," after that I have been far more careful about my knee jerk reactions, and biases. Thank you Star Trek, Thank you Patrick Stewart and especially thank you Alfre Woodard for that face melting scene, you don't get enough credit for that and changed my life.
It warms the little lit major heart of mine that it was a book reference that shocked Picard out of stupor and made him realize the error of his ways. The look of shock on his face when she calls him Ahab the first time is amazing.
Maybe the BEST single scene from ALL of the ST movies, OG, TNG, whatever.
I love Lily in this scene, especially her 'Captain Ahab' jab.
Great actress and nice character
One of the best sci-fi-movies of all time.
+Angelus For me, the best Star Trek film.
The new ones don't even come close. Abrams COULD have, but didn't.
Abrams produces nostalgic entertainment with great visuals and fun, but without a deep message, without something that can change your thoughts. Something you remember ten years later, that touched your soul. It is ok to be just entertained, but it is not the Star Trek we loved.
+schnubbel76 What you guys continually miss, is the fact that Abrams made films that were meant to resurrect a franchise. They were the first films to NOT be based on characters we got to know in a TV series beforehand. We're comparing apples and oranges here.
+schnubbel76 Abrams has done great all things considered! The "09 was him stepping on the "right" butterflies & that DID take balls. Into Darkness, on that note, was missing A testical eh?
That second trailer of Beyond though way, way, WAYYYYYY damn better than the "Furious" first one. The Franchise is so WAY BEHIND schedule showing ST the true 💗💗💗💗 it deserves!
And NOT having ANY 😳😳😳 animated series since the Filmation ones?!???!!!??
Is this Q's fault or WHA???
i originally felt as you do about star trek 5, but i re-re-re-(re?) watched it and despite how bizzare it is, its actually entertaining. The intro is pretty epic with a laughing vulcan, the klingons are actually dynamic instead of purely antagonists, and the movie turns incredibly dark when the villain is exposed, which was thrilling despite the omnipresent satire. The resolution having would-be foes drinking together on the enterprise after what they witnessed is a powerful denouement, and the final camp ground scene brings things full-circle. It is out of place in the TOS movies but I regard it highly now. Honestly I think it's better than 4. I feel 4 was the most ridiculous of all the movies, even more than 5.
this scene is probably one of Patrick Stewarts best as jean luc picard.
Oscar worthy performance from Sir Patrick Stewart in this scene alone. Of course it was overlooked by Hollywood as it was 'only Star Trek' and not some arty farty shit that nobody watched outside of the judging panel.
THIS is probably the best scene out of ALL Trek movies...pre Abrams AND Abrams era. PERIOD!!!!!!!
Personally, I'd go with the entire last 20 minutes of The Wrath of Kahn. Every type of feels imaginable, and Shatner sells Spock's death scene so utterly completely.
There aren't many actors who appeared in TNG who aren't at risk of looking outclassed in Stewart's company... I remember Marina Sirtis being asked why shy thought TNG was such a hit and she said 'Frankly it was because we had old baldy'. I think John Delancey was able to pair well, but I would say that Alfre Woodard did really well in this scene and indeed the movie, particularly from the point of view that she was the guest actor.
I love the interaction between Patrick Stewart and Alfre Woodard in this scene.
One of the best ST movie scenes, if not THE best
One of the best scenes in Star Trek history... First Contact is my favorite TNG crew film. I get chills from this scene every time.
Watching this scene again, I now agree with Shinzon in Star Trek: Nemesis. Had he lived his life, Picard would have totally been consumed with revenge like he was.
Patrick had often said that while he knew Michael was just acting he really intimated the shit out of him in that scene.
Fuck, I'd be scared!
Lily at 1:44
"Yeah, no wait here sister I'll be right back"
+zachanikwano or "Doctor, I got this!"
Lily had a lot of balls talking to Picard like that, even when calling him Ahab and a Son of a Bitch to his face.
+Daniel Williamson that she did, she was really the only one who could do that and get away with it
It's too bad none of the crew could have that kind of relationship with Picard.
Such passion. Whenever Picard shatters the glass there and gives that whole "The line must be drawn here" speech, I always start to imagine a Red Lantern ring appearing before Picard lol.
Now that would be a sick battle.
Considering what Guy Gardner was able to do with Red Lantern Ring against the Black Lanterns (if I remember correctly he got a higher body count than the rest of the Green Lantern Corps put together), Picard + Red Lantern Ring = No More Borg (probably anywhere).
Tied for first best Star Trek movie with Wrath of Kahn in score, tension, and actor's performances. Sir Patrick Stuart NAILED this aspect of Picard. This is easily the best scene of the movie.
The Best Star Trek movies are those that find a way to quote ancient literature: Wrath of Khan, the Undiscovered Country, & First Contact!
Lily is a great character, she brought a lot to the movie
This is one of the most powerful scenes in all of Star Trek. The acting is truly amazing, backed by a perfect scrpit and superb score. I really wish I could tell all involved how much I love this scene.
Never gets old.
One thing I like about Picard is that he can change his mind
Who's here after Shaw's monologue on Wolf 359 in the latest episode of Picard? It's the powerful performances in these scenes that sticks with you.
I came here because I was reminded of this scene from something else, but Shaw's monologue was great! Him and Sisko share similar PTSD from that battle.
Patrick Stewart is literally trembling with rage when he delivers that last line. Conviction and absolute dedication to the source material. Almost as if he were channelling the sadness and trauma from his mudfight in the vineyard with Robert. "I should have been able to stop them! But I wasn't strong enough!"
The way the music perfectly compliments the dialogue is impeccable.
I like how, after Picard gives his spiel on how people in his century don’t succumb to revenge, Lily just says “Bullshit!” and calls the captain out on it.
Andrew Gardiner oh yeah! I love how that line may have worked on people from Picard’s era, but Lily’s experience in humanity’s dark past allows her to see right through the platitudes.
One of the best of all time Star Trek movie scenes, great acting all round...thanks for uploading
"Evolved sensibilities" Pshh, even in the most fantastic and hopeful depictions of humanity's future we could never imagine getting away from our lust for revenge when we've been truly wounded. I love this scene because Picard is forced to see it, that no matter how distant you are from the past, resentment will always be your greatest enemy.