I got Corey Taylor's screams WRONG
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For a long time, I thought Corey Taylor's screams were about pure power and anger. I was very wrong. It took hearing some key vulnerabilities in another one of my favorite vocalists to point me in the right direction. Once I realized what Corey was actually doing to get his sound, everything changed for me and my approach to aggressive vocals.
Let me be a part of your discovery process too! I've noticed a LOT of vocalists hold the same misconceptions I did and I'd like to help you save your voice!
This is a great lesson on getting screams, but yea. Corey's voice on the first two albums is a very damaging way of doing a "false chord". It's best described as yelling with all your throat. And the only reason Corey was able to get through live concerts was Jack Daniels. It got so bad he was told to only speak when on stage. That's why his voice on Volume 3, and the 2nd Stone Sour record sounds so different. His voice so badly damaged from just yelling with all his throat. It's only now sounding better.
Yelling with your throat... Ha.. YES!!
Nah bro it was the alcohol and stuff. He still does the technique live just fine lol
@Daniel Nowka literally tho
Such a triggering username @ISayThingsToPissYouOffToShowHowLameYouAre.🤣
Plus using too much air will kill your voice
Iowa's vocals can never be replicated.....and that's what makes that album and more importantly Corey's screams there....the most undisputed of all
damn right.
It took Corey nearly 15 years to recover his voice from the Iowa screaming.
if he did it
@@martinemanuel8239 no he sounds good if not better now. I saw them live in June and they played really good.
That gives me the chills. I hear his coughing and stuff at the end of some songs and think he’s just adding to the atmosphere, but I bet it’s because he was screaming like that.
It was actually the Voliminal album - along with the StoneSour album released at the same time - that cooked him vocally. He attests as much, that he was trying something differently and it really took a toll, which was went he sounded way lower in All Hope Is Gone, and that his screams sound really tired in live shows 2008-2009.
Yea dude wasn’t using much technique. Just screaming his ass off with some distortion
When you think about it, deep anger on the level of what Corey Taylor expressed comes from underlying pain and sadness. I've always noticed the best vocalists allow vulnerability and expression for their own sake, it's like they can't even help it: and then bang, screams with real emotion that truly hook you.
Agree. This is the main point.
Poignancy.
I don’t even do vocals but your channel is so dialed and amazing
Thank you!
His screaming technique in All hope is gone is the best in my opinion, very guttural and deep with a lot of power from the belly.
Chris, thank you SOOO much for this video, because I as a vocalist had this exact same journey with trying to scream like Corey. I started out by just pushing and ripping up my voice and realized that wasn't it. I was able to find my vocal break, and have a controlled, diaphragm supported scream that had the intensity I was looking for. This video confirmed that I have gone the right way!
Yeah Corey Taylor used to yell with false chord engagement but he pushed to hard so he really went through a big change the first album he went and learned how to properly scream and use compression was on all hope is gone but I love you breaking down early Corey and how to do it safely it's so (sic)
I do! Have you seen my "Left Behind" video?
@@chrisliepe yes I absolutely love it u are so good man
I first heard the vulnerability and abandon in Corey's voice was in the final word of Solway Firth. That was what revealed what my vocal foundation was to me
Best channel in the universe. Corey has been a big influence of mine, even though I have more vocal similarities to Chester b. Your breakdowns and your philosophies and the way you connect all these artists and songs and time periods is absolutely priceless. Thank you!
Beyond dry technique, you're so right. To me, that's what makes Corey special, and the reason I find a connection with his vocals and lyrics. You can feel so much pain, so much vulnerability and humanity both in his melodic voice and in his screams. It's no surprise that I like his stuff so much since I'm going through kinda rough times.
Corey Taylor's vocal parts from self titled album and vol 3 are the hardest (imho), cus of hard splitted high notes. I mean he literally tearing his vocal cords apart on those albums.
Iowa is too fucked up to even discuss
Great video and sharing how you discovered aggressive singing. I love how you discovered a safe way of singing aggressively which doesn't hurt your voice. That's amazing in itself. Abandon is such a great description.
Thank you so much!
Hi Chris, can you explore more on this topic, with more examples on your and other artists' vocals? I've noticed this not only in screams and aggressive vocals, but normal melodic singing as well. I'd like to hear more on this, both on the soft and the aggressive side.
You sound like you discovered method acting. When I did an Avenged Sevenfold song, the method acting kicked in. I screamed and after it "my voice is fine... it's fine..." and I was surprised.
Absolutely that's what this is!
The biggest mystery for me regarding Corey’s original scream is his stamina. I can do the Iowa scream(and yes, lose my voice and sometimes taste blood), but I can only belt out a couple of words at a time before I lose steam. I don’t know HOW IN THE WORLD he was able to do entire sentences, for entire songs, for entire shows without running out of oxygen 😂
I heard, he indeed did run out of oxygen
Please do Billy Corgan / Smashing Pumpkins. 🎃 Please, please, please! 🙏
The only vocal coach I know so far, who clears Up, that aggressive vocals don't need to damage your voice when the've been done properly.
Can you do a video explaining Bert Mccracken's vocal technique from the song "Box full of sharp objects"? I'd be very happy ✌
I love your channel bro. On this one- Corey Taylor is all about build up. Think Eminem or even Michael Jackson the chorus is always sickness! Nik Nocturnal got it it down- Madder and madder until you will go kill mode. Thats Corey's SlipKnot Dielivery.
Just a quick question have you heard of Korn?
3:05 this is my psychiatrist at my fifth consecutive appointment dealing with the same problem.
Great advice man!
please chris we need a vocal analysis about Vermilion Pt. 1
Your way of achieving these sounds is so intuitive and yet so difficult to find out without the right mindset.
Your work is really life changing and it never ceases to amaze me how brilliant you are as a teacher and also as a student… you can really use your ears and your body to discover new sounds and that completely changed my way of understanding harsh vocals!
Keep up the good work, and thank you for all the knowledge! You made me and many others much better singers!
Take care!
Factz
DGD is an amazing live band!
Coldraín from Japan also has amazing clean AND dirty vocals.
LOVE Jon Mess
Corey was in a dark place and created beauty from that
Real anger affects raw powerful scream as well. Growing up with ups and downs in music industry, thats how metal singer express their feelings, thru songs and raw screams. Same like corey. Now these guys are sober, living happy lives, there is no point to scream & be angry anymore. Haha. Hence we get the new corey. Same like Jonathan Davis, he said in interview, he is happy now. Thats why not much scream, gibberish from him. Korn's recent vocals from him also just normal, no WOW effect like during drunk days. Lol...
I dont get people saying Corey had bad technique.
He was 100% in control. He ruined his voice by touring too much. Alcohol, drugs and not giving a shit about preservation.
He went 200% every time and didnt care. Even with technique you gonna feel it.
Look at live shit from amon amarth. Control. Corey can do it too also during iowa.
3:06 mom when i forgot to take chicken outta freezer
I may not be the greatest singer/screamer but it looks like you are still punching out your larynx. So much force behind the screaming. But, how else are you to do it? I've done it for so many decades I simply don't have any side effects. My voice goes right back to normal afterwards.
Hi Chris love your channel, could you check out Chris Motionless vocal tracks? They have been releasing Vocals Only and Instrumentals of their most recent songs and it would be very interesting to analyze them.
That is just an amazing explanation! To work with false chords along with pitch is some of the most challenging aesthetic I`ve ever tried to. It is really counter intuitive in the perspective of the listener. Besides other epiglotic drives (names like Dio, Jeff Scott Soto, David Coverdale) this needs a huge amount of air flowing through you body to understand how the whole thing works. And vulnerability is a great word to make this approach, let the air flow, don't hold it back.
Hi) What the diference between this type of false chord engagment "vulnerability" and "lift something heavy" are they similar? When i try do "vulnerability" my voice breaks and i get some distortion and can dо it loud but its sound not so well and toо random. When i do "lift something heavy" its sound better but i canT do it with power and loud enough.
Are you the voice on "the detail" (Michael Jackson-channel)? Your voice sounds just like that voice
The whole subconscious false cord engagement thing seems a bit questionable. I’m not saying this won’t work for some but that just doesn’t seem like something that’s always going to work.
Jeez. I guess, that's why SOAD and Slipknot are my favourite bands😂
Another video over complicating things. Don’t over think it. Go to your practice space and scream to all your favorite records until your voice is near gone or gone. Do it at least an hour but two or three hours a day will get you there so fast! If you can go longer do it! PRACTICE will get you there. Don’t believe goofy ass myths like cigs and whiskey give you that voice it’s PRACTICE. You don’t go to the gym and try to build muscle by never being soar. You NEED that soarness to grow your vocals! Ppl need to stop this pampering your voice shit because that’s the biggest thing holding people back. The stronger you make your throat the less you have to try or push the sound out. Same as going to the gym will make you lift heavier things easier. No “tEcHnIqUe” is going to get you there it’s about the amount of time and energy you put in. So yes blow out your voice until it doesn’t blow out! No different then going to the gym until you don’t feel as much pain in your arms.
Brutal???
Sing The Chapeltown Rag.
You will know punishment.
This is something I always loved of Slipknot is... the desperation, and the fact that Corey feels lost in the emotions of his songs, with the music being intensely melodic in a way, even if it's agressive. I love metal but I'm somewhat picky when listening to some vocalists. But Corey... Corey has always had a special place in my heart. I don't think I have the right technical knowledge to describe how this makes me feel. But it's strangely soothing to me, weirdly enough.
Have you ever listened to The Virginmarys? He has a very "wet" distorted sound, and I think it resonates with this video, where you need to actually _let go_ in order achieve that.
Would love a video on them! "Walk In My Shoes" is a good example
Best vocal channel ever and its not even close.
I hope to see a Dustin Kensrue (Thrice) video someday!
I noticed that scream was over controlled, this sounds way better.
:)
This hits different now since I heard Corpse Husband's Screams.
I respect how humble you are sir 🙌🏼👏🏼🖖 This took serious courage to do. Thank you so much for having the gumption to make this video.
This is pretty great! This is my similar experience : Just yesterday I wasn't very well, I was crying because something happened to me. So to feel good I played the Iowa album. 2nd track, People = Shit hits, and try to sing along, at first I sounded like how normal people talk when crying but after a few lines, I was feeling a bit good, but the feeling of sadness was still there, that's when I tried doing Iowa scream, and it sounded sick! Just like him, and this time, I completed the whole song, and went on to sing a few more. This has never happened, I've always tried doing these vocals and after a few verses, my vocals turn shit, but whenever I do that with emotion, it feels great and I can do it for longer periods. Sadly yesterday, I had to stop because people hate metal around me 💀
please please please do an episode on death grips thank you for giving us this amazing content
My screams are all of a sudden 100 times better after this not even joking. Thanks man :)
To add merit to what you’re saying, the title track on Iowa has an anecdote about the song. Their producer at the time, Ross, made Corey strip down naked and lay out the vocal tracks in the middle of a room. Just, the insanity of it and the added vulnerability makes Slipknot the secret sauce they are
wow... ya, just incredible what they went through to capture what they did, and MAN did it pay off!
aawww jeez scoob, im a lead singer in a metal band..........zoinks
Naaaah Melissa Cross is what's up. He was fucking himself up back then :)
reading the lyrics of the first two albums also shows the desperation
Yo, what's the song from Dance Gavin Dance in that clip?
Can you make video about making thia abandoned and vulnerable sound?
It sounds like Zed from the movie Police academy
its like a movie trailer
😅
Sam Carter kinda has the Chester Bennington sound to it in his own way.
the video is exactly 5:15min long....
Its a shame you can only like videos once, this was awesome!! I'm new to the channel (subscribed) and I am loving your stuff Chris, thank you.
3:05 sounds like Linus from LTT screaming 😂
Can you please do a vocal cover of Slipknot songs?
I can't believe you did slipknot and System of a Down in the same video! Any chance of a vocal analysis of B.Y.O.B? I'd also love to see a breakdown of Billy Talent.
This is great. Earlier on I always thought you were a good vocalist, but you'd talk about how to sound like corey but I always thought you still didn't have what he does, so I was unsure. This was a GREAT explanation, and you harsh vocals sound so much better than I last came around your channel. I'll have to try some if this stuff soon.
So sad that it is only 295 views, but not 295k
Bruh, it was posted like an hour ago
views are climbing now... I'm happy now ;)
@@smallbeans702 indeed, 295k views in hour would be nice ;)
Amazing, thanks for the tip!
Also got a question/idea for a video: recently I played a gig and my band was the last one to play. It was past 10 when we started, we arrived to the venue around 3 pm for soundcheck etc, so I spent there a few hours. My voice was already tired from talking before we even started to play! The vocal fry just disappeared so I couldn't even use my gritty voice. Any tips for playing late gigs? I don't want to close myself in the closet and not to talk to people, just because I have some songs to sing. Spending time with people is part of playing gigs right? But I still want to be able to give my best.
that IS a great idea for a video!
@@chrisliepe I'm waiting then haha! I wanted to add, when my voice is tired it gets 100% clean and when I want to sing with grit I have to push really hard so my throat gets hoarse very quickly. Is anyone having this issue?
@@MishiaEatingUnicorn I'm the exact same way! Especially with fry, I can't find the placement anymore to get it to come out when my voice gets tired or I'm nervous. It feels nearly impossible 😅
@@airlzzy Ikr?? I mean, I can find the placement as I really perfected my fry screams, but the sound just doesn't come out at all! After hours of talking and laughing it's just not there 😭
Sometimes you'll have to not talk much before and after a show. Watch a video from the channel "Hungry Lights" called How to prevent vocal damage, it's a must watch!
Corey Taylor is my man crush. absolutely adore his voice, cleaner more than roaring, but he's a God either way.
question - how does Corey know how to do what he does, especially earlier on in his career
Can we have a longer vid of this to have more depth??
Great advice, lesson and way of thinking. You litterally turn it upside down. Thank you dear Chris🙏🎙
Could you someday make an analysis of Slipknot - Nero Forte. For some reason Corey's screams in Nero Forte sound unique? Neither like fully Iowa screams (yelling with distortion) nor false cord screaming. Not entirely fry screams either. Rather like a combination of techniques? Hybrid screams?
I have a handful of videos with analysis of Corey's screams and vocal techniques. Just search my page and i'm sure they will help you! Keep up the good work!
Do you think you can do a video on Will Ramos of Lorna Shore
Singing that staind song.
I agree with your observations.
this literally validates the way i essentially subconsciously developed my scream vocals around. amazing video again chris!
Corey admitted he pushed his voice till it hurt.
Totally! He had to discover the sustainable way as we ALL do!
Is it possible for a Bass-voice to do those sounds? 😱
We need a wait and bleed cover plssssss omg
So all you gotta do is get yourself really angry
Reminds me of At the drive in and Refused.
vulnerability....litterally is 100% effective
As always on point and from a unique angle of analysis 🙏 big fan and apprentice of your channel🤘
Much appreciated!
This is how i deal with my vocals.
This video helped me an insane amount. The way you explain these vocal techniques is so in depth yet so simple to understand and implement in practice.
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Metal vocals are just magical, because the more you put "hurted" emotions in them they become more powerful
The first two Slip albums sounded the best. Vol. 3 sounded like Corey's voice was hoarse and blown out. Every record after that sounds really good but not quite as good as the self titled and Iowa records.
For the Iowa vocals im pretty sure he was drunk and throwing up before many of his performances. I think the stomach acid + dry alcohol vocal cords X the desperate approach really gave the intensity.
The Key: Poignancy
I just rewatched some of your vids, and you just happen to put out a new one. Coincidence? Idon't think so.
I desperately need the aggressive edge in my voice. A couple people have said my singing voice reminds them of corey (amazing compliment, even if I don’t buy it) but I just can’t get heavy enough
As much as I Love this method. And appreciate Chris passion, I think for *fry* type screams it lacks the smoothness and less cracky sound. Maybe adding another layer of screaming to this method would be the way. debating needed
These videos are fun
Love your videos, man! Been very helpful to me. Quick note - check out this band called Fair To Midland. Their vocalist also does some cool things. Also, it'd be cool to see you take a look at Anthony Green from Circa Survive!
I figured out how to get a sound very similar to those first two Slipknot/self-titled Stone Sour album sound, only without hurting my throat. Make no mistake, Corey was doing his vocals wrong for those first few albums and tours, and was absolutely damaging his voice. It involves doing exactly what Chris describes. You have to basically get a crossover thrash/hardcore shout like Throwdown, 100 Demons, Bleeding Through, etc. Then you have to pull back a bit, and let your voice crack, then lean into that. It took me years to get the sound right and not hurt myself. That shout for shorter sounds and then the voice crack trick for longer screams/anything you want to accentuate will put you in the ballpark 80% of the time, and closer to Spencer Sotelo the other 20%
wish i knew these techniques back before attempting some songs myself, when i had free time lol, and before i ended up damaging my voice from screaming about a year ago (or assuming i have, never actually went to get it checked) cant scream anymore or hold or even sing some notes when singing which is a damn shame but what can ya do i guess i can still talk so no biggie lmao
It's funny because when I was a kid, the way "The Blues" was described to me is the same as how metal vocals seem to be achieved.
There's nothing cool about having the blues when you're in the middle of it, but the music that comes from it seems to attract a lot of buzz about how emotion is supposed to be expressed in music
As someone who grew up in an absolutely horrible place, I've always been fascinated by all the people who just can't seem to "get it". I sing regularly in my local Karaoke scene here in Orange County, California in a wide range of styles, and this one seems to baffle people the most.
You can sit in your studio and meticulously craft yourself a carbon copy of what others have created for themselves through pain, and hopelessness, to the point that you're almost mocking it, but ultimately, the missing ingredient is a lack of personal experiences.
You'll find that some people are good at screaming because their families screamed at each other their whole childhood. Others because there was an overpass they would go to to let it all out. Some people have spent so many hours crying that those emotions are impossible to forget. There's no "tapping into it". It's their reality.
Absolutely love your channel, could you do Bryan garris from knocked loose?
It's definitely a perspective thing. I find it to be useful to try to understand why someone would write the songs they do. Listen to the message. A lot of music comes from pain. Pain can become anger, but it doesn't start there. If I think of a gut wrenching memory, my ability to sing songs like Corey's and others you mentioned becomes infinitely more attainable. I still have a very long road to sing well or to a level I think could be marketable. But karaoke nights? Fugggitaboutit 🤣
I've been doing hardcore vocals for about 12 years now for fun. Originally I started with false chords, and frankly I wasn't very good at it. I tried to learn fry screaming after a few years and failed. But in the process I discovered a vocal technique that I've been using for 10 years that I can only describe as a "false cord fry". It is neither a traditional vocal fry scream, nor a traditional false cord scream. And doing either won't get you there.
Based on listening for consistency across singers various works, I've deemed that at least 4 vocalists use this same vocal technique: Spencer Sotelo from Periphery (he uses regular false cords too in some places), Kellin Quinn from Sleeping with Sirens (least confident on this one) , Diego Farias from Volumes, and...you guessed it, Corey Taylor from Slipknot.
I'm surprised so many years later that there is very little awareness over this vocal technique, yet I am confident it is distinct and separate from either vocal fry or false cord techniques. This is also why people have such a difficult time replicating Corey Taylor's screams. Thinking about making a video about it soon.
Emotion is what must come thru the voice and, more importantly, the body when screaming 😱 I’ve found what really works is getting into the headspace before a session. Practice a bit of fry and slowly work your way up. But this channel and Melissa cross taught me that it’s not LOUDNESS or a SOUND we’re going for. Rather, it’s a feeling!
The first time i ever got i to screaming was from the Bloodbath album, Nightmares Made Flesh. The way Peter Tägtgren switched from super low growl to a shriek in a second was amazing and at the time i had never heard someone do that so casually and his tone still is amazing and he can do that live at age of 52 with Hypocrisy. The thing is i heard that album before i got into Slipknot and Corey's screaming didn't really seem that impressive to me at the time, still the other day i was at a Slipknot concert and Corey did impress me, he sounded better on some of the studio versions when screaming.
Corey said in an interview that in IOWA he tried to scream harder, without technique, thats why he sounds different in IOWA, he doesnt do that way anymore