Beau, I can't attest to the truth of this but a "glass artist" told me the higher gram strength hide glue has more "pull" when it cures. That's why he uses 315 to chip glass. He too said that the bond isn't any stronger. I found that I can keep left over glue in the fridge for 2 days before mold sets in it. (3 days if I use distilled water) If I'm gluing again tomorrow, I save the leftover cuz I'm cheap! LOL!
Interesting. I have no idea about chipping glass other then I read 130 something gram is enough to chip glass. I have HHG in the fridge for months without mold- I’ve actually NEVER had mold even if I accidentally leave it on the bench for a week (which I did once). Maybe it’s too dry where I am
I just listened to your interview on Luthier on Luthier and also just started watching this video and I already appreciate and relate to you on how you get to the truth of things. There is a lot of bull in the world and I really appreciate your getting to the essence :)
Thanks for this info, I've been wanting something like this for some time, I know folk that use hide glues for a completely different usage and thought it looked heavier than I needed but didn't know enough about hide glue or the right consistency now I realise it was just too brittle for a bridge, I could've done some tests but would have to leave for a fair amount of time to find it's longevity, maybe I've just over thought it heh heh heh 😱
We use hide glue to coat the fiber rush woven seats on our hand made shaker style ladderback chairs. We go about 3 to one for a thinner brush on finish. Thanks for this video.
“Bonne Maman” (it’s on the jar!😂). I’ve found a baby food warmer works well (you need to calibrate it just once) for smaller jars, and they’re often practically given away at flea markets and so on…
PS: I actually use old camera film cases - they hold about an ice-cube worth of glue each, and you can just toss the whole container into the food warmer (suitably filled with water of course!). A large metal nut in the bottom of the film case keeps it upright in the water, and helps hold heat if you take it out of the water to apply glue.
Amazing timing! Thanks for this info and demo. I was reading Historical Lute Construction today and he got to gluing the top with hide glue. I'm still some months out before I get to that point but this was really helpful.
My pleasure. Some luthiers do prefer a different gram strength (be it less or higher number) and the brittleness can be a benefit in some regards (i didnt' want to get into it in this video)- but some use a lesser gram strength for gluing on violin tops to make them easier to take off. Check with a lute maker but 192 is good for anything usually.
Lovely explanation, especially the demonstration and importance of viscosity. I heard about the ice cube prep idea also which I use a version of. To increase the thermal mass of such small quantities I throw a few glass marbles into the jar when reheating. Useful measure to combat cooling if you remove the jar from the hot bath.
@@BeauHannamGuitars I dropped my violin a few weeks ago and opened up the top plate at the hand patch and lower bout by the nut . We shall see tomorrow if it worked. Fingers crossed. This hide glue is easy to work with. I like that you can just soften up the old glue and put some new glue in. No fuss cleaning out the old glue first, like you would have to do with the new modern glue.
With the pending closure of LMI I’m gonna have to move away from their instrument glue. I’ve used it before but now I’ve got a reason to go all in. Thanks!
Thanks so much for taking the time to do these videos. They are enormously instructive as well as a pleasure to look at and listen to (yes, as much as I value the education within the content, I also always appreciate your choices in composing and lighting the shoots and the music you choose to complete the presentations). Having both the the visual and the audio to view, and review??? HUGE!
Thanks so much Mark. The last 10 Videos (about) I’ve tried to upload the production value and I’m only interested In talking out educational stuff. I have about 60 videos filmed but finding the time to edit them is difficult. Thanks again for watching :)
Good show! Just trying to hep here, the main impediment to hide glue being more useful is the pain in the A glue pot = high maintenance, wait for it to warm, cleaning the crusty scum, oops need water again! and of course if your like me, knock it over = a pain! We discovered many-many years ago that a microwave oven works very well for warming up small amounts of glue in about 15 seconds. about "15 SECONDS", a couple minutes sometimes for a quart when gluing in piano SB's. Ready when needed. I have many 5.3 oz plastic yogurt cups, they are perfect and when they get beat up they get recycled. One of the high profile participants on these U-Tube vid's unfortunately poo-pooed the notion and probably never even tried it this person doesn't use hide glue for anything = stubborn big head. Say's it's too much trouble! Geeeezewiz. That's what one gets with most helpful suggestions. This hide glue stuff is the primary material we use for almost everything. Electric glue pots are essential we have some for piano action repair, felt especially. Heating your work first is essential not only for time to assemble but for the bonding. Strangely----watching fiddle making/repair folks, I don't see any emphasis on the importance of preheating. But that would help a lot if one were prying off the panels sometimes in the future, for sure Hot glue on unheated wood will make for gassing off and actually compromise the bond. Preheated will draw the glue in when cooling off and kind of weld the pieces together. Oh-well.
Thanks 😊- some people don’t get the full usefulness of HHG. I didn’t until I did. It is a pain heating it up, especially if you want to do a quick glue up job but for guitar bridges it’s superior for sure, probably for all other stuff too but I still Use titebond for headblocks etc
@@BlaisPianoGuitars convenience. Sometimes I’ll use epoxy for headblock a- depends on the wood (I’m talking about building, not repair) HHG everywhere on anything vintage.
Beau, I can't attest to the truth of this but a "glass artist" told me the higher gram strength hide glue has more "pull" when it cures. That's why he uses 315 to chip glass. He too said that the bond isn't any stronger. I found that I can keep left over glue in the fridge for 2 days before mold sets in it. (3 days if I use distilled water) If I'm gluing again tomorrow, I save the leftover cuz I'm cheap! LOL!
Interesting. I have no idea about chipping glass other then I read 130 something gram is enough to chip glass. I have HHG in the fridge for months without mold- I’ve actually NEVER had mold even if I accidentally leave it on the bench for a week (which I did once). Maybe it’s too dry where I am
@@BeauHannamGuitars Yeah I'm in the southeast and we have high humidity. Could be my mold problem???? I've seen the guy's work and the chips are huge!
I just listened to your interview on Luthier on Luthier and also just started watching this video and I already appreciate and relate to you on how you get to the truth of things.
There is a lot of bull in the world and I really appreciate your getting to the essence :)
Thank you :) with each video I try to say as much as I can on a topic :)
Thanks for this info, I've been wanting something like this for some time, I know folk that use hide glues for a completely different usage and thought it looked heavier than I needed but didn't know enough about hide glue or the right consistency now I realise it was just too brittle for a bridge, I could've done some tests but would have to leave for a fair amount of time to find it's longevity, maybe I've just over thought it heh heh heh 😱
Its the best glue for guitar bridges, but not a bridge to walk over if the bridge is outside. But if the bridge was inside, you could use it :)
We use hide glue to coat the fiber rush woven seats on our hand made shaker style ladderback chairs. We go about 3 to one for a thinner brush on finish. Thanks for this video.
Cool!- I love hearing the various ways hide glue is used.
Thank you, Beau. I find your videos really informative. They are much appreciated.
Thanks so much for writing that :)
“Bonne Maman” (it’s on the jar!😂). I’ve found a baby food warmer works well (you need to calibrate it just once) for smaller jars, and they’re often practically given away at flea markets and so on…
PS: I actually use old camera film cases - they hold about an ice-cube worth of glue each, and you can just toss the whole container into the food warmer (suitably filled with water of course!). A large metal nut in the bottom of the film case keeps it upright in the water, and helps hold heat if you take it out of the water to apply glue.
Hahahah. Thanks :)- shame the hold heet pots are no longer sold
Amazing timing! Thanks for this info and demo. I was reading Historical Lute Construction today and he got to gluing the top with hide glue. I'm still some months out before I get to that point but this was really helpful.
My pleasure. Some luthiers do prefer a different gram strength (be it less or higher number) and the brittleness can be a benefit in some regards (i didnt' want to get into it in this video)- but some use a lesser gram strength for gluing on violin tops to make them easier to take off. Check with a lute maker but 192 is good for anything usually.
Lovely explanation, especially the demonstration and importance of viscosity.
I heard about the ice cube prep idea also which I use a version of. To increase the thermal mass of such small quantities I throw a few glass marbles into the jar when reheating. Useful measure to combat cooling if you remove the jar from the hot bath.
Thanks. I’ve heard of maples or stainless steel nuts to keep it warm when it’s out of the water- but I always keep it in the water.
Very nice tutorial. Thx!
My pleasure 😇
A nice quality video Beau. Thanks for putting this together.
Thanks David - My pleasure :)
Very useful mate. Haven’t used hide glue before, I guess I found it intimidating as I didn’t really know what to do. Cheers
Hi Nick- My pleasure. it seems the hardest thing to do is find a good heat pot, now hold heet cant be bought (which sucks)
Thank you for the easy to follow video!
Thanks for watching and my pleasure :)
THANK YOU !!
Thank you. I'm learning every day.
My pleasure 😇
@@BeauHannamGuitars I dropped my violin a few weeks ago and opened up the top plate at the hand patch and lower bout by the nut . We shall see tomorrow if it worked. Fingers crossed. This hide glue is easy to work with. I like that you can just soften up the old glue and put some new glue in. No fuss cleaning out the old glue first, like you would have to do with the new modern glue.
Yes.. It worked . No more buzz. Thanks again..
Thank You! Great video!
Thanks :)!
With the pending closure of LMI I’m gonna have to move away from their instrument glue. I’ve used it before but now I’ve got a reason to go all in. Thanks!
Do it! Try to find a hold heat pot new before they are all gone (they stopped making them:(
Thanks for sharing Beau!
My pleasure :)
Thanks so much for taking the time to do these videos. They are enormously instructive as well as a pleasure to look at and listen to (yes, as much as I value the education within the content, I also always appreciate your choices in composing and lighting the shoots and the music you choose to complete the presentations). Having both the the visual and the audio to view, and review??? HUGE!
Thanks so much Mark. The last 10
Videos (about) I’ve tried to upload the production value and I’m only interested In talking out educational stuff. I have about 60 videos filmed but finding the time to edit them is difficult. Thanks again for watching :)
You can count on me watching, and learning!
Good information. Thanks!
Thanks :)
Thanks Beau. Good timing since I'm getting ready to build a couple of Violis. (-: Question: When you said 140º is that C or F?
F
thanks for the video about this valuable glue, I have a video too on my channel!
Thanks 😊
Good show!
Just trying to hep here, the main impediment to hide glue being more useful is the pain in the A glue pot = high maintenance, wait for it to warm, cleaning the crusty scum, oops need water again! and of course if your like me, knock it over = a pain!
We discovered many-many years ago that a microwave oven works very well for warming up small amounts of glue in about 15 seconds. about "15 SECONDS", a couple minutes sometimes for a quart when gluing in piano SB's.
Ready when needed.
I have many 5.3 oz plastic yogurt cups, they are perfect and when they get beat up they get recycled.
One of the high profile participants on these U-Tube vid's unfortunately poo-pooed the notion and probably never even tried it this person doesn't use hide glue for anything = stubborn big head. Say's it's too much trouble! Geeeezewiz.
That's what one gets with most helpful suggestions.
This hide glue stuff is the primary material we use for almost everything.
Electric glue pots are essential we have some for piano action repair, felt especially.
Heating your work first is essential not only for time to assemble but for the bonding.
Strangely----watching fiddle making/repair folks, I don't see any emphasis on the importance of preheating.
But that would help a lot if one were prying off the panels sometimes in the future, for sure
Hot glue on unheated wood will make for gassing off and actually compromise the bond.
Preheated will draw the glue in when cooling off and kind of weld the pieces together.
Oh-well.
Thanks 😊- some people don’t get the full usefulness of HHG. I didn’t until I did. It is a pain heating it up, especially if you want to do a quick glue up job but for guitar bridges it’s superior for sure, probably for all other stuff too but I still
Use titebond for headblocks etc
Tight Bond, why?@@BeauHannamGuitars
@@BlaisPianoGuitars convenience. Sometimes I’ll use epoxy for headblock a- depends on the wood (I’m talking about building, not repair) HHG everywhere on anything vintage.
thank you
My pleasure
Question: When you said 140º is that C or F? I'm going to be new to hide glue. (-:
Hi Andy- F - for F@&k that’s hot!
@@BeauHannamGuitars Thanks Beau.
Legend 👍
Thanks ☺️
@@BeauHannamGuitars 🙏