I like to use pre-boiled and let to cool water, as i use different pigmented mixes of glue, and keep these with a sterilized cap on the fridge for later use. With this , in my particular area these last longer without contamination. When it's time to discard these i use the remains to make base for paintings or i put these to dry on a pre shaped form, just for fun 😂...
One thing I like about doing these videos is that I learn so much myself! Thanks, that sounds interesting, I particularly like the idea of using leftovers for painting size!
Bonjour Vincent.. je suis heureux d’avoir trouvé vôtre chaîne, car vous expliquer très bien vos gestes et méthodes , et en particulier le collage…🙏 Je m’explique je suis français de 63 ans avec l’envie folle de fabriquer un violon de À à Z 😕🙃 , j’ai déjà les planches et tous les accessoires bruts …je fini d’acheter les outils et il en faut beaucoup 😕😕 c’est noël je compte un peu avec les cadeaux 😂 Et la chance c’est de trouver la chaîne qui explique bien et que je peux traduire en français 🙏🙏 alors je vais parcourir vos vidéos pour en apprendre plus … un grand merci pour vos explications .. 🎼🎼🎼🎻🎻🎻
Bonjour! Je vous remercie pour vos aimables paroles. Je suis heureux que vous trouviez mes vidéos utiles. Si vous avez des questions lorsque vous commencez à travailler sur votre violon, veuillez laisser vos questions sur la vidéo de questions et réponses « Q&A » la plus récente et j'essaierai d'y répondre dans la prochaine vidéo. Cordialement.
I love this glue because it can have what is basically a soldering effect, it creeps into crevices when hot, grips the surfaces and pulls them together as it shrinks, and it shrinks quite a bit. I don't know of any other glue that does that. It can close tiny cracks no problem, I use a toothpick to drip it in. It also soaks into all sorts of bindings.
Thanks for your videos ! They are great ! I use HHG in some parts of my guitars , in some others I find it very difficult (such as bindings and freet board ) I wish some day I’ll build a complete guitar using only HHG . Best wishes from Argentina!
Nice, comprehensive, detailed video, which I have missed! 👍 Only one aspect: how to hold temperature of glue (water in pot) do not exceed 60 degrees of Celsius.. If start boil, protein is damaged in glue and will not glue of weaker. So I was searching for some temperature regulator. Designated for this purpose are expensive.. So my solution is Souse vide apparatus ☺️. This I put into pot, and perfectly hold temperature on 60 - 70..could be regulated.. And: machine is only in water, and can use to prepare my Souse vide steaks as well 😉. Thank you for your video.
Hi, I keep hearing this but I think people ignore the fact that hide glue is made by the rendering of connective tissue, that is to say prolonged boiling over many hours. If you use a water bath system like I do then the glue doesn't get anywhere near boiling point. So, my advice, don't get too hung up with keeping the glue at an exact temperature.
@@grahamvincentviolins thank you for your info. I do not have exact experience with this, so, it is usefull information. I thouth, that if I will use wather bath system (on oven, without temperature regulation), then it gradually will reach boiling... therefore I used exact measurement. Please, another question: If I will warm it at 60 degree of Celsius, can I use it repeatadly? So let it cold, put to fridge, and warm it again and it will work? how many times I can do it? many thanks.
Hi Graham, I've recently bought a bottle of Titebond Liquid Hide Glue. It shares many of the qualities of hide glue, but has a larger open time (10 to 15 min). I think it is not a collagen based glue, but something synthetic. It is to be used on a repair job (an old guitar that was put together with hide glue). Do you have any knowledge or experience with that? Specifically if it can be used succesfully on wood that was previously glued up with old fashioned hide glue. Tia. Jack
Hi Jack, I don't have any direct experience with it, but secondhand advice is that it's ok, but not as good as hot hide glue. Let us know how it goes!!
@@grahamvincentviolins Hi Graham, I decided to do a few tests (as you often suggest :-)) with both the Titebond LHG and bone glue on some scrap wood. I found that the LHG held as well as the bone glue with tightly fitting parts, but the LHG didn't hold nearly as well on a slopppy fit. I also noticed that when breaking the nicely fitting joints, the LHG broke quite a bit of the wood, but the bone glue broke almost only none of the wood. And I also noticed that the LHG didn't really become hard (more like a tough rubbery substance), whereas the bone glue became glass-like hard. This makes me wonder how a LHG joint will hold up in moist and hot condtions. If the LHG softens even a bit, then the joints may creep or worst case come undone... I haven't yet tested how well LHG on top of old hide glue holds (the actual case at hand), but will let you know, if I manage to test it. Finally one more question. I also put some bone glue on a scrap piece of wood that was cut at 45 degrees to the grain direction. After it cured, I could sand it really smooth. It made me wonder if it is possible to use a collagen type glue as a grain filler? Will lacker (like PU e.g.) hold well on such a surface? Will it look good? It would I think is usable to prevent moisture uptake through any endgrain that might be present inside an instrument (like the ends of braces on the inside of a guitar e.g.). What do you think? cheers, Jack
@@jackbombeeck4958 interesting and thanks for sharing this information! With regard to possibly sealing with glue, one practice I’ve heard of and have tried is using dilute hide glue as a wash which is allowed to soak into the wood surface and then treated with alum to denature the glue. Worked well, maybe I’ll give it another go!
hey Graham i got a question for you . example a customer walks in your shop and has a beautiful old violin nothing fancy but has sentimental value . but it does not sing as good as it should and needs to be graduated on the top and bottom plates . sure a fair bit of work im sure . what would say is a fair price to do this work for a person ? now i have worked with all kinds of wood my whole life but i am not a violin maker and i could not give a good fair price of this work nore do i ever guess i will but i just kinda would like to know . what do you think is a fair price ?
"I only use hide glue"... I would rather think of using the correct glue for the correct joint and application. I live in south Florida and its 88 degrees with humidity of 72%. Think what that will do to a fine instrument with only hide glue holding it together?
I love your absent minded professor demeanor, especially when you proceed to explain things so even I can understand .
Thank you very much!
Lol! Delighted to have been of service. Any questions, or even ideas for future videos, just let me know on the Q&A videos.
I like to use pre-boiled and let to cool water, as i use different pigmented mixes of glue, and keep these with a sterilized cap on the fridge for later use. With this , in my particular area these last longer without contamination. When it's time to discard these i use the remains to make base for paintings or i put these to dry on a pre shaped form, just for fun 😂...
One thing I like about doing these videos is that I learn so much myself! Thanks, that sounds interesting, I particularly like the idea of using leftovers for painting size!
Very helpful!
Thank you!
Bonjour Vincent.. je suis heureux d’avoir trouvé vôtre chaîne, car vous expliquer très bien vos gestes et méthodes , et en particulier le collage…🙏
Je m’explique je suis français de 63 ans avec l’envie folle de fabriquer un violon de À à Z 😕🙃 , j’ai déjà les planches et tous les accessoires bruts …je fini d’acheter les outils et il en faut beaucoup 😕😕 c’est noël je compte un peu avec les cadeaux 😂
Et la chance c’est de trouver la chaîne qui explique bien et que je peux traduire en français 🙏🙏 alors je vais parcourir vos vidéos pour en apprendre plus … un grand merci pour vos explications .. 🎼🎼🎼🎻🎻🎻
Bonjour! Je vous remercie pour vos aimables paroles. Je suis heureux que vous trouviez mes vidéos utiles. Si vous avez des questions lorsque vous commencez à travailler sur votre violon, veuillez laisser vos questions sur la vidéo de questions et réponses « Q&A » la plus récente et j'essaierai d'y répondre dans la prochaine vidéo. Cordialement.
@@grahamvincentviolins merci infiniment….
Can one use oil based finish such as polyurethane when for instrument bond with hide glue?
You can, although polyurethane wouldn't be my first choice for violin varnish.
@@grahamvincentviolins why is that? I heard PU doesnt produce crack unlike traditional violin varnish. What would be your first choice?
I love this glue because it can have what is basically a soldering effect, it creeps into crevices when hot, grips the surfaces and pulls them together as it shrinks, and it shrinks quite a bit. I don't know of any other glue that does that. It can close tiny cracks no problem, I use a toothpick to drip it in. It also soaks into all sorts of bindings.
Excellent information. Thank you so much for sharing.
Thanks for your videos ! They are great ! I use HHG in some parts of my guitars , in some others I find it very difficult (such as bindings and freet board ) I wish some day I’ll build a complete guitar using only HHG . Best wishes from Argentina!
Nice, comprehensive, detailed video, which I have missed! 👍
Only one aspect: how to hold temperature of glue (water in pot) do not exceed 60 degrees of Celsius.. If start boil, protein is damaged in glue and will not glue of weaker.
So I was searching for some temperature regulator. Designated for this purpose are expensive.. So my solution is Souse vide apparatus ☺️. This I put into pot, and perfectly hold temperature on 60 - 70..could be regulated.. And: machine is only in water, and can use to prepare my Souse vide steaks as well 😉.
Thank you for your video.
Hi, I keep hearing this but I think people ignore the fact that hide glue is made by the rendering of connective tissue, that is to say prolonged boiling over many hours. If you use a water bath system like I do then the glue doesn't get anywhere near boiling point. So, my advice, don't get too hung up with keeping the glue at an exact temperature.
@@grahamvincentviolins thank you for your info. I do not have exact experience with this, so, it is usefull information. I thouth, that if I will use wather bath system (on oven, without temperature regulation), then it gradually will reach boiling... therefore I used exact measurement.
Please, another question: If I will warm it at 60 degree of Celsius, can I use it repeatadly? So let it cold, put to fridge, and warm it again and it will work? how many times I can do it? many thanks.
Hi Graham,
I've recently bought a bottle of Titebond Liquid Hide Glue. It shares many of the qualities of hide glue, but has a larger open time (10 to 15 min). I think it is not a collagen based glue, but something synthetic. It is to be used on a repair job (an old guitar that was put together with hide glue). Do you have any knowledge or experience with that? Specifically if it can be used succesfully on wood that was previously glued up with old fashioned hide glue. Tia.
Jack
Hi Jack, I don't have any direct experience with it, but secondhand advice is that it's ok, but not as good as hot hide glue. Let us know how it goes!!
@@grahamvincentviolins Hi Graham, I decided to do a few tests (as you often suggest :-)) with both the Titebond LHG and bone glue on some scrap wood.
I found that the LHG held as well as the bone glue with tightly fitting parts, but the LHG didn't hold nearly as well on a slopppy fit. I also noticed that when breaking the nicely fitting joints, the LHG broke quite a bit of the wood, but the bone glue broke almost only none of the wood. And I also noticed that the LHG didn't really become hard (more like a tough rubbery substance), whereas the bone glue became glass-like hard. This makes me wonder how a LHG joint will hold up in moist and hot condtions. If the LHG softens even a bit, then the joints may creep or worst case come undone...
I haven't yet tested how well LHG on top of old hide glue holds (the actual case at hand), but will let you know, if I manage to test it.
Finally one more question. I also put some bone glue on a scrap piece of wood that was cut at 45 degrees to the grain direction. After it cured, I could sand it really smooth. It made me wonder if it is possible to use a collagen type glue as a grain filler? Will lacker (like PU e.g.) hold well on such a surface? Will it look good? It would I think is usable to prevent moisture uptake through any endgrain that might be present inside an instrument (like the ends of braces on the inside of a guitar e.g.). What do you think?
cheers, Jack
@@jackbombeeck4958 interesting and thanks for sharing this information!
With regard to possibly sealing with glue, one practice I’ve heard of and have tried is using dilute hide glue as a wash which is allowed to soak into the wood surface and then treated with alum to denature the glue. Worked well, maybe I’ll give it another go!
hey Graham i got a question for you . example a customer walks in your shop and has a beautiful old violin nothing fancy but has sentimental value . but it does not sing as good as it should and needs to be graduated on the top and bottom plates . sure a fair bit of work im sure . what would say is a fair price to do this work for a person ? now i have worked with all kinds of wood my whole life but i am not a violin maker and i could not give a good fair price of this work nore do i ever guess i will but i just kinda would like to know . what do you think is a fair price ?
That's one for the Q&A!
@@grahamvincentviolins ok thats fine . your the man buddy . see ya in the next one
Does any1 know if Titebond liquid hide glue has same properties as glue made from heated granules and water?
Cheers
Not used it. Not heard it being recommended for this sort of work.
What "strength" hide glue do you prefer? I see 315 & 222, any thoughts?
Interesting question, I'll talk about this in today's Q&A No. 9 video.
"I only use hide glue"... I would rather think of using the correct glue for the correct joint and application. I live in south Florida and its 88 degrees with humidity of 72%. Think what that will do to a fine instrument with only hide glue holding it together?
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