The ref got it wrong. 10 ball is a call pocket game. However, anyone who can play pool knows there's no need to call the obvious. Call a bank or combo. So, if the previous balls weren't fouls for not calling the obvious pocket, then neither should have been the 10 ball. There you go.
Its so easy to pinpoint where to pocket the 10 ball, what stop SVB to do it? In every game/sport/contest there are rules. If you are right, then scrap the rules and regulations in all games and contests, then let us see what will happen.
Shanegerous you were correct, never compromise your character you have been given this opportunity to be a Christian role model and guide the unbelieving to understanding the process that we all control the our lives and collectively the event's of history by individually doing what is taught and following the Supreme law of caring positively. You will be opposed at every opportunity by those of unenlightened. Stay strong and true and no one can defeat the collective power of our minds.
I have 65 years experience on every kind and size of billiard table. If I was playing call shot pool I would call EVERY shot to protect myself from just his mistake.
@@dieseldog00100% disagree, from the rule book: "However, obvious balls and their respective pockets do not have to be specified. Any bank shot (object ball to rail), kick shot (rail(s) to object ball), or combinations (2 or more balls) must be called to their designated pocket, or they are considered a miss."
why do you call just the 10? It's a call shot game, you should call EVERY shot. 10 ball or 3 ball makes no difference... Reality is: obvious shot are not meant to be called. Its in the rules.
@@odiums_taint nobody call all the shots, it's just pointless. In this video SVB didn't call all the shots... You have to call just the non-obvious shots, for example combos, banks, kicks.. Calling shots only serves to prevent a fortuitous shot from being passed off as intentional.
Shane is a Elite level Professional player and his opponent should of backed him up , by not doing that his opponent showed his lack of Professionalism and the Referee should be able to distinguish Pro players and Hobby players , Shane did the right thing by quitting this Mickey Mouse Tournament...
100% lack of professionalism on the ref and the opponent. A classic example of this is when Aloysius Yapp backed up (coincidentally) Shane saying he heard him call a timeout when all the replays seem to show SVB did not call a timeout.
Agree. The first time the ref should have said "I know where you were shooting, but the rule is call your pocket. I'll have to call you on it next time" and played on. There was nothing about the shot that could have been considered controversial.
A truly professional and gentleman player would accept the ref’s decision and continue playing because the match isn’t lost yet and he has to consider the fans who went to the arena to watch their idols play. A player who has a great sense of entitlement and maybe a spoiled brat when he was a kid who always thinks he should get whatever he wants, would more likely quit.
@@samuelpenalosa3034 That moment when you realize your in a Mickey Mouse Tournament with a Mickey Mouse Ref , its time to go, nothing to do with his up bringing , only an idiot would even think it....
For me the shot is obvious. But if the referee says it wasn’t, I would probably walk away too. If I were the opponent, I would talk to Shane and concede the rack.
I've always hated for people to come up to me in a pool hall and ask to play a game, then when I say "APA rules", they immediately say "no, bar rules". What are the bar rules, whichi s usually met with 'not many really'. Most have never heard of a ball in hand foul and think I'm trying to pull something on them when explaining. So, I usually pass on playing. Saves arguments.
@@georgepotter353i hate apa because i hate slop. I prefer bca/wpa which is in a nutshell, apa with call ball and pocket. I get the same crap. No no no. Bar rules. I. What the hell are bar rules? They seem to make them up as they go. I'll happily play apa over that nonsense and give them the benefit of slop since it is a very rare occurrence for a high skill level player to slop a ball in unintended. Another one i get... no. Just "old school" rules. Lmao. They don't even know what that is. Those are basically what mosconi played. No ball in hand. Every pocketed ball that wasn't called gets spotted. 3 fouls in a row by each player is a stalemate and a rerack. 99% of people that exclusively play "bar rules" have no idea what the rules of pool are, they play 8 ball only and don't even realize other games exist. Then they pull that...8 ball has to go clean crap and call foul if it grazes a real on the way in or call it a loss if i call it off a carom. Just nonsense. Ill play whatever rules you want, but the need to be written down somewhere for reference. Instead they just do whatever the want and call foul on me every single game because they suck and have no respect for the game or themselves.
They all played by the same rule, you Must Call the 10. Shane did it before but chose not to and lose 1 game. He being the top tier player, he should have sucked it up and wait the next opportunity. Biado did the same thing in the Quarter Finals in the Pacquio Cup. Hill / Hill and didn’t call the 10. By Not calling the 10, he lost a chance at an additional $25k in the Finals against Efren. Part to blame on Shane’s corner. They knew the rules and should have reinforced it to him
Where is this rule set where you must call the 10? I can't find it. Official WPA rules are you must call every shot but only when it's not obvious.@@DonkeyKong57783
He didn’t but if the ref calls foul on any other ball it’s just a foul ball in hand. If he calls it after the 10 it’s foul loss of game. Ref knew what he was doing, I would’ve walked too.
Ref wasn't wrong, SVB should have called where to pocket the 10 ball. It looks like 10 ball will be pocketed to the side and not to the corner. Besides, its not a big fuss for SVB where to pocket the 10 ball. Rules are rules.
@@junzurbano5543 Although I'm not a big fan of SVB, the shot was obvious and the ref messed up. And you're wrong, it doesn't look like the obvious pocket is the middle one - SVB hit it with a hint of follow, and the cueball rolls to the left at a slight angle, meaning the corner pocket was almost dead straight, with just the smallest of cuts to the right (5 degrees maybe?). In this situation the mid pocket would probably be a 60 degree cut to the left, neither simple nor obvious.
@@RealityHasAWokeBias Nope, you're just plain wrong, there isn't a single rule in either general or specifically 10-ball game rules that indicate that the game ball needs to be verbally / visually called. The game ball follows the WPA rule 1.6 Standard Call Shot, so you only call the not obvious ones. Besides, the same rule states that if the ref or opponent has any doubts as to where you try to pocket the ball, they can ask you to call it before the shot. The ref did nothing, so it has to be assumed that the ball was obvious for him, and there was only one obvious pocket - the basically dead straight one.
Although the ref is technically correct, it has always been my belief that it is up to the opposing player to tell the ref that they are fine with it; that would be the right thing to do in the name of good sportsmanship. With that being said, some tournament rules would still declare that a loss of game due to the called pocket rule being strictly enforced. When you're playing for money, you don't need to call the shot because the player knows where you're going. In tournament play, the ref is expecting the player to call the pocket. I've seen this a ton.
Under which rule set is the ref technically correct? Under WPA rules, you must call every shot in 10 ball, but only when it's not obvious, i.e. during bank shots, combinations etc. What rules are they playing under that the ref is correct, certainly not WPA.
Rules for 10 Ball Call Shots & Pocketing Balls Whenever the shooter is attempting to pocket a ball (except the break) he is required to call shots, the intended ball and pocket must be indicated for each shot if they are not obvious. Details of the shot, such as cushions struck or other balls contacted or pocketed are irrelevant. For a called shot to count, the referee must be satisfied that the intended shot was made, so if there is any chance of confusion, e.g. with bank, combination and similar shots, the shooter should indicate the ball and pocket. If the referee or opponent is unsure of the shot to be played, he may ask for a call. Rules from WPA
Any shot that goes directly into a pocket is considered obvious... all caroms , banks , kicks , jumps and combos must be called... the referee is a clown
The only relevant question here is if the rules of the tournament require you to call the 10 ball, regardless if it is an obvious shot or not. If this is the case then the referee was correct, if not, the 10 ball was an obvious shot into the corner and Shane was correct. Not all tournaments have the same rules. It is not uncommon that some tournament rules require you to call the 10 ball everytime, all other shots that are obvious do not have to be called. As a professional pool player it is your responsibility to know the rules of the tournament, and if you don`t know then ask. Stick to the rules always, both players /referee and you can`t go wrong.
@@davidmiles6420 you can be right and lame. Yes. Absolutely. You can also be right and be stupid. Which this is both stupid and lame. If I was SVB I woulda packed up and left the tournament as well. If I was SVB’s opponent I woulda conceded that particular game despite what the ref called. It’s called sportsmanship. Sportsmanship supersedes what’s right and wrong according to being a stickler to a rule when it was blatant obvious shot that he was going for.
From the UPA rulebook: However, obvious balls and their respective pockets do not have to be specified. Any bank shot (object ball to rail), kick shot (rail(s) to object ball), or combinations (2 or more balls) must be called to their designated pocket, or they are considered a miss. When a player successfully pockets the designated object balls, they continue their inning until either a miss, foul, or win occurs.
Perfect example of why we are bringing back plush cues pool hall manners.. This is a gentleman's game, no more no less. Being competitive doesn't mean being a vampire.
Tables need electronic light up pockets ... with remote control access so that the pocket can be obvious.. also maybe an electronic voice like suri built into the table that will say aloud the shot.. and then possibly a play by play approval with maybe the other opponent signing off on the next shot and which pocket.. then maybe this won't happen again. Let me know what yall think.
Referee Lehman called a foul on Chang Jung Lin in a recent world-team event. Chang had moved the cue ball with the tip of his cue after Joshua Filler's foul to line up his next shot. This foul call changed the entire complexion of the match and led to the subsequent Chinese team's loss.
YEAH, well, Chang fouled. You cannot touch or move the cue ball with your tip or the ferrule. That was the correct call by Lehman and Chang is certainly an experienced enough pro to know that. And although the ref made a technically correct rule if he didn't hear or see Shane call the pocket, it was obvious that the corner pocket was the intended one... especially the way he shot it. It didn't fluke into the corner from an attempt at the side pocket, and even if Shane was going for the side, would he really miss THAT FAR OFF that he went dead nuts into the corner pocket? Looks like the ref here is Filipino and was trying to help his fellow Filipino Alcano in this match once Shane had momentum.
@@squatch570 I agree,but Lehman doesn't present a very professional look with his appearance. He looks like a bum that just walked in off the street. He wouldn't be allowed as a referee in a snooker match.
I have zero respect for Alcano pool etiquette now because all he had to do was step in and say that it's fine and give Shane the game, Instead he went along with the ref because he knows he can't touch Shane 💯🎱
NO. This was a tournament from 15 years ago. The refs were doing this to every single player on every single table. MANY players got called on it. It had nothing to do with Alcano being a bad guy. It had to do with the tournament director instructing the refs to "enforce" this "fake rule". This channel made a few similar (recent) videos about this same tournament from 15 years ago, trying to make the players look bad. It was 100% the tournament director's fault. Efren ended up winning, and in the finals I believe there was still calling the 10 controversy.
@@vintagevu6836 He did nothing wrong. It was the refs. They were doing this to EVERY player this whole tournament. It was from 15 years ago. Efren won in the finals, and there was even called 10 drama then. This uploader is trying to make Alcano look bad. He has a few other videos from the same tournament trying to make the players look bad, but it was the tournament director that came up with these stupid rules.
@nickp4793 Thank you for your comment! Just to clarify, this tournament actually took place 10 years ago, not 15. I appreciate your insight that the issue was not about Alcano being a bad guy, but rather the tournament director's decision to enforce a 'fake rule.' Regarding the videos I've made about this tournament, I want to clarify that my intention has never been to make players look bad. I understand that some viewers may perceive it differently, and I apologize if it came across that way. I genuinely appreciate your feedback and hope we can continue to enjoy discussing the sport of pool together.
Observant people will realize that this tournament is being played in Asia... likely SE Asia. Ronnie Alcona is Filipino, SVB is from the US. Do the math.
sure… rules state that you call 10 ball + shane not calling 10 ball = shane fouling. what’s so hard to understand here? 😂 calling the white card i see 🙄
@@quickstep2408 The rules do NOT state that. The rules state that shots that are not obvious (such as kicks, caroms, combos, banks, and similar shots) should be called. There's nothing in particular special about the 10 ball itself and it was a straight in shot to the corner. The rules also state that if the ref or opponent isn't sure where the shooter intends to play then they should ask...not make a bull crap call after the fact. Notice that the ref didn't say anything about him not calling any of the other shots, he waited til the 10 to pull that bs and like the OP stated, everyone knows why.
Years ago I was co captaining a team in APA league. Had a young man ask me if he could join the team because he wanted to learn to play pool. He was terrible. Couldn't even make a proper bridge, but we took him on the team and started working with him. His first leage match he's playing as a 2 (lowest he could play at) against the other teams 2. Long match, but he won the first game of the best of 3 and the other teams 2 won the second. On the third game both got down to the 8 ball and took about 7 or 8 shots each at it. Finally their two dribbles the 8 ball in the corner pocket and leaves it hanging for dear life. Cue ball about 6 inches away. My guy got so excited that he dropped and tapped it in before I could say anything. The other teams two starts yelling "he lost. He didn't mark his pocket, he just pointed at it". I looked over at the other teams captain and said "do you really want to do that, this is his very first match and that 8 was barely hanging". The other captain says "rules are rules, your guy lost". PIssed me off, but it's the rule. Couple hours later their team captain 7/9 was playing our other captain, another 7/9, so both of these guys are like top players in our league. The other teams captain won the lag, broke and ran the table in about 2 minutes. He barely waited for the cue ball to come to rest before tapping in an 8 that was an ez duck. I looked over at my captain and he shook his head at me like "no, don't". But I did. I called across "sir, rules are rules, and therefor you just lost because you didn't call your pocket". He argued that that was bullshit because he and Jeff(my team captain) have played against each other for years and they didn't have to mark their pockets. I told my captain that if you break those balls, I'm out of here. He was an ass to the kid that I just brought on the team and now wants to ignore the very rule he cited. My captain backed me and it pissed the other captain off, but I made it a point from then on to all of my teammates,... call your pockets.
How did he start as a 2? All new male players used to start as a 4 and females start as a 3 now all new players start as a 3. Also that call was between the captains and players since they were one in the same it was between them
Fact! And the times I saw Efren do that, it was in 9-ball, where it is almost never called. But that tournament's rules required that it be called. He knew it, but out of habit, forgot to do it.
I’m with you Shane, 100%, and obvious ball does not have to be called especially when it is a straighten shot! This referee sets a poor example. I’m not being exact with the rules. I met you at the Meculus Memorial several years ago, and I am so proud to meet you then and I’m glad that you have been keeping up expert Pool, playing for the whole Paul nation to view, comprehend, and savvy play. You’re a fantastic role model, God bless you, Donnie.
Different tournaments and different leagues have different rules and different scoring systems. NO ONE is above the rules. It's the RESPOSIBILITY of EVERY contestant to KNOW and to follow the rules to the letter, especially PROFESSIONALS or suffer the consequences. This is just an example that NO ONE is perfect including the GREAT AWESOME player SVB. Shane should've acknowledged the ref's correct call and continued the match.
Yes but good sportsmanship supersedes that. His opponent should have conceded the rack knowing Shane made the intended shot. That was poor sportsmanship on the opponent’s part.
@@skibbles827how’s that a joke lol they might’ve been told this in the meeting before the tournament and we don’t know if Shane called every ball before the 10 we can’t hear what’s being said
Yep because his player still had a chance to win. When it came to the 10 ball , it was a easy way to give a game to the guy the ref really wanted to win
every call shots tournament i have been in always have at least 1 incident where a sucker tries to get a game out of a non-called obvious shot like De Luna vs Immonen 5-9 combo.
@@davidmiles6420 10ball was fun when it was played like 9ball except 1 extra ball.No time wasting or losing focus on calling obvious stuuf and flukes were good since it happens like in any other sports....but then whinner cry babies who werent good or lucky enough came up with these stupid rules change that killed the excitement of the game making it boring like chess with all these ball-less safety shots.
Everyone has it wrong. It just depends on the tournaments rules and how they were explained beforehand. If they said u physically have to call thee 10 ball then that’s the rule. Idk what this tournament did so unless u were there u don’t either.
I am with Shane and his opponent should be as well. Take bank for instance... no need to call anything on a one rail bank because the target is obvious. If more than one rail, the destination is called. An obvious should should require no call. In fact, 10 ball should require no called ball at all. If one is playing at the ten ball level, one should know where the shots of their opponent are going. This WAS a game of nobles and kings. Obviously some have other human aspirations in mind in today's realm.
10 ball was fun when i was introduced to it in the 90s then they started the called shots ruling and it went south,long boring defensive game at lower level of play.
RONNIE Alcono should have stepped in and said something to the ref, l was always taught pool is a gentleman's game, as such ronnie should have said something
Reading the comments I notice that many don't understand what the point of calling shots is. It's not a magic formula to recite, calling shots only serves to prevent a fortuitous shot from being passed off as intentional. That's why you don't have to call obvious shots.
Yes and it rolled off because the table mechanics didn't have time to set the tables up a few days in advance of the tournament to make sure the weight of the table would have time to settle before levelling and installing the cloth, etc.
It’s unfortunate that it happened. Shane has been playing in enough tournaments to know that in some events you must call the 8 ball even if it’s right in front of a pocket. There are people who travel long distances to see him play. They pay for a ticket that helps with the prize money being offered. For him to quit the tournament is childish. They don’t say if this was the hill hill match or the final in which case he would be done anyway.
im guessing you have to call the 10 ball in this rule format. ive seen this 10 ball rule format before, so im with the ref on this one. dont assume every tourney will go by the same exact rules. shane knows this, he was probably just mostly disappointed in himself for not remembering since he for sure wouldve gone over the tourney’s rules.
Obviously a different country. I just read the rules and you don't have to call the shot if it is obvious. Shane was right but the rules may change in other countries.
@@terrynewman1679the rules state that you don't have to call obvious shots... and by definition an obvious shot is any shot that goes directly into a pocket
It's a good rule in league play where some players are so new to the game that they don't know where the ball is going after they hit it, just whack it and hope. But at this level nobody misses so badly that they make the object ball straight into another pocket. Even at my mid level rating, calling pockets is required in 8 ball in our league.
All I can say is this: We don't know what the ref said or what foul was called. There is no audio in the video, and someone could have just gotten hold of this footage and made up anything. Would Six Pocket Sports care to comment on that? My guess is the ref called a double hit on him.
Strangely, the video cuts at the very instant he would have pointed his call with his cue. SVB is a professional...he knows the 10 ball needs to be called. Since we have no proof...it only stands with the ref.
It's either poor refereeing, or a misguided non-standard rule mandating a formal call of the ten ball even for obvious shots. Probably the latter. It's not the rule used in most every tournament big and small. And it's not the rule as defined by any set of written 10-ball rules I'm aware from my days refereeing and directing tournaments. The written rule in all "call shot" games is that you don't need to bother formerly calling obvious shots, only banks, caroms, combinations, and shots that might be ambiguous. If I were playing Shane I would never accept a victory based on that kind of petty situation. Also consider that Shane, despite being among the top players in the world, is hearing impaired and may have a distinct disadvantage if you start mucking with misguided custom rules. 100% Shane is right to be upset in this case. I don't think I'd walk out myself. But if he sensed that the rule was being abused, I can understand the frustration and that reaction. I've played him a few times and watched him many times and I don't think he's one of those self-entitled cry babies with a hair trigger ego like some I could list.
The same problem occurred for carlo biado hill hill he broke and ran the game and make the 10 in the side and it wasnt a call shot and they gave the set to carlos opponent instead
The thumbnail makes it seem that Shane left pool forever... Obviously that ain't the case... And the ref was wrong, he didn't call other obvious balls and the ref accepted them, same applies for that ball...
Those saying that it’s a stupid rule, the shot was pretty obvious, I agree with all of you. But I ask you, is quitting the right thing to do? The same thing happened to Efren, Django moved the cue ball with the tip of his cue stick and a foul was called, Ko Ping Yi made a push shot without saying "push" and a foul was called. All these are questionable calls by the ref. but none of them quit.
If the ref was a stickler about this minuscule rule, I wouldn’t want to keep playing at the same table either. Not calling a push shot is very, very,very different than not calling an extremely obvious shot
@@holdenfarrey333 you replied that you wouldn’t want to continue but that doesn’t answer my question. Is quitting the right thing to do? Efren, Django & Ko, all gentlemen players, didn’t quit and eventually won their matches.
They get refs that don’t know the game or etiquette. That is most of the problem. I’ve seen it happen at big one pocket tournaments we have played in where they set no time limit but complain when a match takes 5 hours and then sweat the players.
Thank you SVB! They've taken the break away from you, changed size of pockets,shot clock,rack,ect and make up all these stupid rules and STILL CANNOT WIN.... GOAT SVB.....
The ref was wrong to call a foul because it's an obvious shot to the corner, SVB is right to be frustrated at the call and chose to not proceed with the match, especially when Ronnie Alcano pulled a bullshit move by not correcting the referee on his call and tried to take advantage of it. It is what it is though and nobody is perfect.
@@junzurbano5543 "Obvious" doesn't mean pocket that is available to shoot in. "Obvious" in context means that player pocketed object ball into pocket he aimed. E.I. not fluke.
after 1 incident in a stupid call shots tourney with one ref for all the matches lol... ball in hand took at least 1 minutes to align my 2-10 combo FTW,set it up slowly roll the 2 into the 10 that had to pass between 2 other balls to reach the pocket....clown opponent calls a FOUL on me hahaha i won my point and after that i shouted every single shot i took until they asked me to lower my voice.Stupid rules that every sucker try to get advantage of im leagues and tournaments see(De Luna vs Immonen 5-9 obvious combo).
@@mikescorpio13if you didn’t call the ball and pocket your opponent had every right to call you for it. Rules clearly state you have to call ball and pocket. And you said the 2 had to go between two other balls. How is your opponent supposed to know you wasn’t trying to make one of those
@@davidmiles6420 i did call it but ADHD boy was looking around the place or his phone instead of focusing on watching his opponent make the call like 90% of clowns playing in leagues and low level tournament.Alcano did it to Van Boening and also to Capito 2024 Indonesia International 10-Ball Open seeing Capito make the call and turning his head like a jerking shark...De Luna did it vs Immonen etc...etc... even pros do this kind of sharking when they see the Ref is not focus.Stupid call rules makes this possible.
It's the refs discretion to rigidly enforce the rule on an obvious shot and change the outcome of a game. And it's Shane's discretion to put away his cues and point out that the ref and the tournament are being run by clowns.
right. change the rules in the middle of the game… makes a whole lot of sense. imagine if the real world was run like that. 😂 i thought you gain wisdom with age?
Kinda like Alcano calling the 1 in the same corner, though he missed...rules can be annoying. This call pocket/no need to call an obvious pocket thing happens everywhere...happened to me here in Nigeria a couple of weeks ago.
It sounds like the incident with Shane Van Boening and Alcano resonates with experiences many pool players face, including your own in Nigeria. The tension between strictly following the rules, like calling every pocket, versus recognizing obvious shots is a common dilemma in the game. Such incidents can be frustrating for players, especially when outcomes of significant matches hinge on these technicalities.
Rules are rules. Some tournaments have slightly different rules. Without rules, we’d have chaos. SVB was a little poosy for walking off in a huff. He could have just played better to make up the difference.
@Dweller777 Thanks so much for your kind words and for your curiosity! I decided to go with an A.I. voiceover because, let's face it, my own voice sounds like it's perpetually stuck in a karaoke night gone wrong. 😅 I tried narrating my videos before, but it seemed like my voice was more effective as a comedy tool than a means of communication! So, I figured it's best to leave the talking to the pros (or in this case, the pro-grams). Thanks for tuning in!
SVB should have fought it out and won just to spite the ref. He could’ve really made a point if he won he could’ve looked at the ref after every game he won
Because it was totally ridiculous. It was obviously the pocket SVB was going for. There is no need to call it. I think ;players should follow the rules but when you have a totally obvious shot it is not needed.
Easy to say if the shot is obvious there’s no need to call it BUT if the shot miss the uncalled pocket and goes in an unintended pocket can the shooter say it is a legal shot? Obviously the shooter cannot and the referee must invoke the call shot rule and that ladies and gentlemen is the rationale behind the rule.
Petty, if the ref is allowed to enforce that, It is petty to enforce the rule on such an obvious shot. Shane should leave, he should vow to never play in that tournament organizer events again. Shane should choose to promote another tournament on that weekend next time. Shane can draw fans and money to someone else. Will the tournament organizer make changes? We really need to punish those petty douche bags, instigators, trolls, and sharking. You expect it from amateurs events. Not at this level though. punish the ref at least, send him packing.
That shot could have been banked, so wasn't entirely obvious. Also, there may be hard n fast rule that final pocket must be called. Shame tho to change a legitimate outcome over a technicality
Do you play pool? It was obvious SVB was going for the corner. LOL. There literally would have been no reason to bank that ball. It was an easy shot to the corner. The ref was technically correct but this is like giving someone a speeding ticket for going 60.1mph in a 60mph zone. Totally not needed.
This was a bullshyte call. Pool needs to get beyond this type of nonsense in order to achieve its rightful status amongst all other professional sports. I don't blame Shane one iota for unscrewing and walking away, as the shot was perfectly obvious. Any respected player would be offended and incensed by such an outrageous and unnecessary call by the ref. Ludicrous!
I was disappointed with Ronnie’s lack of involvement here. Idgaf if it’s a money match or tournament, as SVB’s opponent and true player to the game?…I’d be telling the ref it was obvious and legal. If the ref made me shoot the 10, I’d slap the cue ball with my cue. SVB’s anger wasn’t just at the moron ref, but Alcano for just wanting the bad call
When a guy rolls a ball into a pocket like that it's clear he was shooting it there. Not like he under cut it and it banked in another pocket. Lousy way to take a game from a nice out.
So the ref probably caused the venue to lose the most popular pool player in the world and he probably hasn’t been back. What a shame, it’s not like he fouled or something big.
@@6PocketSports i wish i had filmed the interaction i had because Earl would have look like a gent compared to the rage i let out that day it was glorious... and the ref finally gave me reason good thing for my opponent which still could walk after that day.
The opponent needed to give that game to Van Boeing. If he wouldn't, then there is no pleasure in playing a jerk refereed by an incompetent. Pool is a game. Doesn't matter about prize money. Walk away if there is no fun to be had.
You definitely have to call pocket on the 10 just as you would on the 9 or 8 ball if you were playing those games. At that high level he should kno and have it as a habit to call shots
Hey Philippine Tournament you just lost one of the biggest draws in any world-class tournament. Yeah rules matter but this was obvious and Shane could have been given a warning to call it next time it's what we do in 8 ball tournaments.
in the US, this happened to efren once or twice in a tournament and was penalized by the referee too. rules are rules. only difference is, efren didn’t walked out. besides, another violation was when the CB was still in motion, hands of SVB was already in the pocket. another violation. nothing against the great SVB. merely stating facts.
The problem with this is( and the video didn't explain it) shane didn't call his shots on all the other balls and the ref was fine with it and so was his opponent, its only when he wins the match that the ref says he didn't call his shot and then his opponent argues it as well. Its bullshit on the ref and his poor sportsmanship on his opponent. No need to continue. In Shane mind he's doing just fine without this bs tournament on his resume. And it only hurts the tournament not Shane.
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The ref got it wrong. 10 ball is a call pocket game. However, anyone who can play pool knows there's no need to call the obvious. Call a bank or combo. So, if the previous balls weren't fouls for not calling the obvious pocket, then neither should have been the 10 ball. There you go.
Its so easy to pinpoint where to pocket the 10 ball, what stop SVB to do it? In every game/sport/contest there are rules. If you are right, then scrap the rules and regulations in all games and contests, then let us see what will happen.
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Obsolutely, Carom's also must be called. Alcano deserves no respect. Cheap. Did anyone call an obvious shot in the match? No.
@@MIRAGEDEALER Exactly my point.
Why tf is there a referee on preliminary round? Amateur referees ofc will stick by the book instead of common sense.
The shot was in line to the corner pocket. I'm with Shane 💔
I have 65 years experience on every kind and size of billiard table. If I was playing call shot pool I would call EVERY shot to protect myself from just his mistake.
@@dieseldog00100% disagree, from the rule book:
"However, obvious balls and their respective pockets do not have to be specified. Any bank shot (object ball to rail), kick shot (rail(s) to object ball), or combinations (2 or more balls) must be called to their designated pocket, or they are considered a miss."
@@dieseldog00 - One game every 5 years doesn't count.
I'm with Shane 100%
i always call my 10 even if it’s obvious, because of douche bags… still with SVB on this; i doubt the ref would call it the same for both players
Yep exactly , he wanted his fellow countryman to get the win
The ref was power hungry. No business in this business.
why do you call just the 10? It's a call shot game, you should call EVERY shot. 10 ball or 3 ball makes no difference...
Reality is: obvious shot are not meant to be called. Its in the rules.
@@AngrierGorilla i did not say that i do not call my other shots.
@@odiums_taint nobody call all the shots, it's just pointless. In this video SVB didn't call all the shots...
You have to call just the non-obvious shots, for example combos, banks, kicks.. Calling shots only serves to prevent a fortuitous shot from being passed off as intentional.
Shane is a Elite level Professional player and his opponent should of backed him up , by not doing that his opponent showed his lack of Professionalism and the Referee should be able to distinguish Pro players and Hobby players , Shane did the right thing by quitting this Mickey Mouse Tournament...
100% lack of professionalism on the ref and the opponent. A classic example of this is when Aloysius Yapp backed up (coincidentally) Shane saying he heard him call a timeout when all the replays seem to show SVB did not call a timeout.
Agree. The first time the ref should have said "I know where you were shooting, but the rule is call your pocket. I'll have to call you on it next time" and played on. There was nothing about the shot that could have been considered controversial.
Yes . Mickey mouse , and the referee is called Bimbol Roco , a good Philippine actor.
A truly professional and gentleman player would accept the ref’s decision and continue playing because the match isn’t lost yet and he has to consider the fans who went to the arena to watch their idols play. A player who has a great sense of entitlement and maybe a spoiled brat when he was a kid who always thinks he should get whatever he wants, would more likely quit.
@@samuelpenalosa3034 That moment when you realize your in a Mickey Mouse Tournament with a Mickey Mouse Ref , its time to go, nothing to do with his up bringing , only an idiot would even think it....
For me the shot is obvious. But if the referee says it wasn’t, I would probably walk away too. If I were the opponent, I would talk to Shane and concede the rack.
If it's a losing matter I dont see why the ref wouldn't be obligated to question intent from player before stroke
Wonder if the ref still alive, and walking with both legs in tact.
A perfect example why pool needs set rules that are the same no matter where you play professional
I've always hated for people to come up to me in a pool hall and ask to play a game, then when I say "APA rules", they immediately say "no, bar rules". What are the bar rules, whichi s usually met with 'not many really'. Most have never heard of a ball in hand foul and think I'm trying to pull something on them when explaining. So, I usually pass on playing. Saves arguments.
no call shots is the best option as it used to be that way,speed up the game makes it more entertaining.
@@georgepotter353i hate apa because i hate slop. I prefer bca/wpa which is in a nutshell, apa with call ball and pocket.
I get the same crap. No no no. Bar rules. I. What the hell are bar rules? They seem to make them up as they go.
I'll happily play apa over that nonsense and give them the benefit of slop since it is a very rare occurrence for a high skill level player to slop a ball in unintended.
Another one i get... no. Just "old school" rules. Lmao. They don't even know what that is. Those are basically what mosconi played. No ball in hand. Every pocketed ball that wasn't called gets spotted. 3 fouls in a row by each player is a stalemate and a rerack.
99% of people that exclusively play "bar rules" have no idea what the rules of pool are, they play 8 ball only and don't even realize other games exist.
Then they pull that...8 ball has to go clean crap and call foul if it grazes a real on the way in or call it a loss if i call it off a carom.
Just nonsense. Ill play whatever rules you want, but the need to be written down somewhere for reference. Instead they just do whatever the want and call foul on me every single game because they suck and have no respect for the game or themselves.
I didn’t see SVB call the other shots. That ref turned into a stickler.
They all played by the same rule, you Must Call the 10. Shane did it before but chose not to and lose 1 game.
He being the top tier player, he should have sucked it up and wait the next opportunity.
Biado did the same thing in the Quarter Finals in the Pacquio Cup. Hill / Hill and didn’t call the 10.
By Not calling the 10, he lost a chance at an additional $25k in the Finals against Efren.
Part to blame on Shane’s corner. They knew the rules and should have reinforced it to him
Where is this rule set where you must call the 10? I can't find it. Official WPA rules are you must call every shot but only when it's not obvious.@@DonkeyKong57783
Read the rules. It's the same rules for EVERY SHOT
NOT JUST THE 10
He didn’t but if the ref calls foul on any other ball it’s just a foul ball in hand. If he calls it after the 10 it’s foul loss of game. Ref knew what he was doing, I would’ve walked too.
I am with SVB here. The shot is obvious! -- ref is wrong 😞
Ref wasn't wrong, SVB should have called where to pocket the 10 ball. It looks like 10 ball will be pocketed to the side and not to the corner. Besides, its not a big fuss for SVB where to pocket the 10 ball. Rules are rules.
@@junzurbano5543 Although I'm not a big fan of SVB, the shot was obvious and the ref messed up. And you're wrong, it doesn't look like the obvious pocket is the middle one - SVB hit it with a hint of follow, and the cueball rolls to the left at a slight angle, meaning the corner pocket was almost dead straight, with just the smallest of cuts to the right (5 degrees maybe?). In this situation the mid pocket would probably be a 60 degree cut to the left, neither simple nor obvious.
@@junzurbano5543no. That's a clear shot.
An obvious shot is irrelevant when you're playing a call shot game and you're on the game ball. Ref is right and SVB is a crybaby.
@@RealityHasAWokeBias Nope, you're just plain wrong, there isn't a single rule in either general or specifically 10-ball game rules that indicate that the game ball needs to be verbally / visually called. The game ball follows the WPA rule 1.6 Standard Call Shot, so you only call the not obvious ones. Besides, the same rule states that if the ref or opponent has any doubts as to where you try to pocket the ball, they can ask you to call it before the shot. The ref did nothing, so it has to be assumed that the ball was obvious for him, and there was only one obvious pocket - the basically dead straight one.
Although the ref is technically correct, it has always been my belief that it is up to the opposing player to tell the ref that they are fine with it; that would be the right thing to do in the name of good sportsmanship. With that being said, some tournament rules would still declare that a loss of game due to the called pocket rule being strictly enforced. When you're playing for money, you don't need to call the shot because the player knows where you're going. In tournament play, the ref is expecting the player to call the pocket. I've seen this a ton.
True,it's obvious where he will shoot it,it's just sad to see that a formality ruins someones tournament
This was an absolutely horrible call. However the opposing player has no authority over the ref.
Under which rule set is the ref technically correct? Under WPA rules, you must call every shot in 10 ball, but only when it's not obvious, i.e. during bank shots, combinations etc. What rules are they playing under that the ref is correct, certainly not WPA.
The ref still isn’t technically correct. Obvious shot don’t need to be called.
@@jax9074 Idk, I've seen this called a number of times in a number of different tournaments. I personally hate the rule though.
Rules for 10 Ball
Call Shots & Pocketing Balls
Whenever the shooter is attempting to pocket a ball (except the break) he is required to call shots, the intended ball and pocket must be indicated for each shot if they are not obvious.
Details of the shot, such as cushions struck or other balls contacted or pocketed are irrelevant.
For a called shot to count, the referee must be satisfied that the intended shot was made, so if there is any chance of confusion, e.g. with bank, combination and similar shots, the shooter should indicate the ball and pocket. If the referee or opponent is unsure of the shot to be played, he may ask for a call.
Rules from WPA
"If they are not obvious" is the key phrase in that rule......
It was obvious.
Any shot that goes directly into a pocket is considered obvious... all caroms , banks , kicks , jumps and combos must be called... the referee is a clown
The rules clearly state the obvious shots don’t need to be explicitly called, it’s assumed. The ref was 100% wrong on the rules.
The only relevant question here is if the rules of the tournament require you to call the 10 ball, regardless if it is an obvious shot or not. If this is the case then the referee was correct, if not, the 10 ball was an obvious shot into the corner and Shane was correct. Not all tournaments have the same rules. It is not uncommon that some tournament rules require you to call the 10 ball everytime, all other shots that are obvious do not have to be called. As a professional pool player it is your responsibility to know the rules of the tournament, and if you don`t know then ask. Stick to the rules always, both players /referee and you can`t go wrong.
Lame
@@tjblackartistwhy cause they right
@@davidmiles6420 you can be right and lame. Yes. Absolutely. You can also be right and be stupid. Which this is both stupid and lame. If I was SVB I woulda packed up and left the tournament as well. If I was SVB’s opponent I woulda conceded that particular game despite what the ref called. It’s called sportsmanship. Sportsmanship supersedes what’s right and wrong according to being a stickler to a rule when it was blatant obvious shot that he was going for.
From the UPA rulebook:
However, obvious balls and their respective pockets do not have to be specified. Any bank shot (object ball to rail), kick shot (rail(s) to object ball), or combinations (2 or more balls) must be called to their designated pocket, or they are considered a miss. When a player successfully pockets the designated object balls, they continue their inning until either a miss, foul, or win occurs.
Perfect example of why we are bringing back plush cues pool hall manners.. This is a gentleman's game, no more no less. Being competitive doesn't mean being a vampire.
THAT REF WOULD NOT HAVE MADE THAT CALL ON ALCANO. F THAT BS
Tables need electronic light up pockets ... with remote control access so that the pocket can be obvious.. also maybe an electronic voice like suri built into the table that will say aloud the shot.. and then possibly a play by play approval with maybe the other opponent signing off on the next shot and which pocket.. then maybe this won't happen again. Let me know what yall think.
"F*ck it. Let's go bowling, dude."
Question? Was every single shot called up to that last ball?
obviously no, because they're obvious. Obvious shots are not meant to be called. This ref is just an imbecile.
obviosly not, that's why ref is a clown
Referee Lehman called a foul on Chang Jung Lin in a recent world-team event. Chang had moved the cue ball with the tip of his cue after Joshua Filler's foul to line up his next shot. This foul call changed the entire complexion of the match and led to the subsequent Chinese team's loss.
YEAH, well, Chang fouled. You cannot touch or move the cue ball with your tip or the ferrule. That was the correct call by Lehman and Chang is certainly an experienced enough pro to know that.
And although the ref made a technically correct rule if he didn't hear or see Shane call the pocket, it was obvious that the corner pocket was the intended one... especially the way he shot it. It didn't fluke into the corner from an attempt at the side pocket, and even if Shane was going for the side, would he really miss THAT FAR OFF that he went dead nuts into the corner pocket? Looks like the ref here is Filipino and was trying to help his fellow Filipino Alcano in this match once Shane had momentum.
@@squatch570 I agree,but Lehman doesn't present a very professional look with his appearance. He looks like a bum that just walked in off the street. He wouldn't be allowed as a referee in a snooker match.
@@MIRAGEDEALER lol well not allowed to move the cueball with the tip
@@MIRAGEDEALER I completely agree with you. Lehman is too old and too lazy and has made many mistakes.
This is exactly what's wrong with pool. Nothing else needs to be said.
I have zero respect for Alcano pool etiquette now because all he had to do was step in and say that it's fine and give Shane the game, Instead he went along with the ref because he knows he can't touch Shane 💯🎱
NO. This was a tournament from 15 years ago. The refs were doing this to every single player on every single table. MANY players got called on it. It had nothing to do with Alcano being a bad guy. It had to do with the tournament director instructing the refs to "enforce" this "fake rule". This channel made a few similar (recent) videos about this same tournament from 15 years ago, trying to make the players look bad. It was 100% the tournament director's fault. Efren ended up winning, and in the finals I believe there was still calling the 10 controversy.
That's why this Alcano guy can't be a champion.
@@vintagevu6836 He did nothing wrong. It was the refs. They were doing this to EVERY player this whole tournament. It was from 15 years ago. Efren won in the finals, and there was even called 10 drama then. This uploader is trying to make Alcano look bad. He has a few other videos from the same tournament trying to make the players look bad, but it was the tournament director that came up with these stupid rules.
@nickp4793
Thank you for your comment! Just to clarify, this tournament actually took place 10 years ago, not 15. I appreciate your insight that the issue was not about Alcano being a bad guy, but rather the tournament director's decision to enforce a 'fake rule.'
Regarding the videos I've made about this tournament, I want to clarify that my intention has never been to make players look bad.
I understand that some viewers may perceive it differently, and I apologize if it came across that way. I genuinely appreciate your feedback and hope we can continue to enjoy discussing the sport of pool together.
@6PocketSports thanks for that sir
Observant people will realize that this tournament is being played in Asia... likely SE Asia. Ronnie Alcona is Filipino, SVB is from the US. Do the math.
sure… rules state that you call 10 ball + shane not calling 10 ball = shane fouling. what’s so hard to understand here? 😂
calling the white card i see 🙄
@@quickstep2408 The rules do NOT state that. The rules state that shots that are not obvious (such as kicks, caroms, combos, banks, and similar shots) should be called. There's nothing in particular special about the 10 ball itself and it was a straight in shot to the corner. The rules also state that if the ref or opponent isn't sure where the shooter intends to play then they should ask...not make a bull crap call after the fact. Notice that the ref didn't say anything about him not calling any of the other shots, he waited til the 10 to pull that bs and like the OP stated, everyone knows why.
@@quickstep2408learn the rules you moron
Years ago I was co captaining a team in APA league. Had a young man ask me if he could join the team because he wanted to learn to play pool. He was terrible. Couldn't even make a proper bridge, but we took him on the team and started working with him. His first leage match he's playing as a 2 (lowest he could play at) against the other teams 2. Long match, but he won the first game of the best of 3 and the other teams 2 won the second. On the third game both got down to the 8 ball and took about 7 or 8 shots each at it. Finally their two dribbles the 8 ball in the corner pocket and leaves it hanging for dear life. Cue ball about 6 inches away. My guy got so excited that he dropped and tapped it in before I could say anything. The other teams two starts yelling "he lost. He didn't mark his pocket, he just pointed at it". I looked over at the other teams captain and said "do you really want to do that, this is his very first match and that 8 was barely hanging". The other captain says "rules are rules, your guy lost". PIssed me off, but it's the rule. Couple hours later their team captain 7/9 was playing our other captain, another 7/9, so both of these guys are like top players in our league. The other teams captain won the lag, broke and ran the table in about 2 minutes. He barely waited for the cue ball to come to rest before tapping in an 8 that was an ez duck. I looked over at my captain and he shook his head at me like "no, don't". But I did. I called across "sir, rules are rules, and therefor you just lost because you didn't call your pocket". He argued that that was bullshit because he and Jeff(my team captain) have played against each other for years and they didn't have to mark their pockets. I told my captain that if you break those balls, I'm out of here. He was an ass to the kid that I just brought on the team and now wants to ignore the very rule he cited. My captain backed me and it pissed the other captain off, but I made it a point from then on to all of my teammates,... call your pockets.
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How did he start as a 2? All new male players used to start as a 4 and females start as a 3 now all new players start as a 3. Also that call was between the captains and players since they were one in the same it was between them
Rules is rules it happened with Efren before, and Efren accepted it.
Fact! And the times I saw Efren do that, it was in 9-ball, where it is almost never called. But that tournament's rules required that it be called. He knew it, but out of habit, forgot to do it.
The rules state if the shot is obvious the players do not have to call the pocket,the referee was wrong!
So you was there for the players meeting before hand and know that’s what was told the players? Doubtful. Not all tournaments go by the same rules
Shane was right and I don’t blame him for walking away from that match!!!
I’m with you Shane, 100%, and obvious ball does not have to be called especially when it is a straighten shot! This referee sets a poor example. I’m not being exact with the rules. I met you at the Meculus Memorial several years ago, and I am so proud to meet you then and I’m glad that you have been keeping up expert Pool, playing for the whole Paul nation to view, comprehend, and savvy play. You’re a fantastic role model, God bless you, Donnie.
Different tournaments and different leagues have different rules and different scoring systems. NO ONE is above the rules. It's the RESPOSIBILITY of EVERY contestant to KNOW and to follow the rules to the letter, especially PROFESSIONALS or suffer the consequences. This is just an example that NO ONE is perfect including the GREAT AWESOME player SVB. Shane should've acknowledged the ref's correct call and continued the match.
lol what a joke
lol are u srs
Yes but good sportsmanship supersedes that. His opponent should have conceded the rack knowing Shane made the intended shot. That was poor sportsmanship on the opponent’s part.
@@skibbles827how’s that a joke lol they might’ve been told this in the meeting before the tournament and we don’t know if Shane called every ball before the 10 we can’t hear what’s being said
@@tjblackartistpoor sportsmanship was when a 17 year old Joey Tate was shooting the wrong ball against Shane and Shane didn’t stop him
I think a good rule of thumb is to always call the Moneyball
He was playing Ronnie alcano in the Philippines so go figure
Than why didnt the reff at the six ball or 8 or 9 didnt call on any of that shots that was more not obvious to pot😂😂😂
Yep because his player still had a chance to win. When it came to the 10 ball , it was a easy way to give a game to the guy the ref really wanted to win
I've never seen a tournament where you have to call every 10 ball even if it's obvious. They're just trying to help the other guy win.
every call shots tournament i have been in always have at least 1 incident where a sucker tries to get a game out of a non-called obvious shot like De Luna vs Immonen 5-9 combo.
All tournaments 10 ball is that way
@@davidmiles6420 10ball was fun when it was played like 9ball except 1 extra ball.No time wasting or losing focus on calling obvious stuuf and flukes were good since it happens like in any other sports....but then whinner cry babies who werent good or lucky enough came up with these stupid rules change that killed the excitement of the game making it boring like chess with all these ball-less safety shots.
@@mikescorpio13 that’s why they changed the 10 ball open in Austin to the 9 ball classic
Everyone has it wrong. It just depends on the tournaments rules and how they were explained beforehand. If they said u physically have to call thee 10 ball then that’s the rule. Idk what this tournament did so unless u were there u don’t either.
Agreed
I am with Shane and his opponent should be as well. Take bank for instance... no need to call anything on a one rail bank because the target is obvious. If more than one rail, the destination is called. An obvious should should require no call. In fact, 10 ball should require no called ball at all. If one is playing at the ten ball level, one should know where the shots of their opponent are going. This WAS a game of nobles and kings. Obviously some have other human aspirations in mind in today's realm.
10 ball was fun when i was introduced to it in the 90s then they started the called shots ruling and it went south,long boring defensive game at lower level of play.
Hi from Grand Forks, North Dakota. I saw on the map there was another person from North Dakota. Do you have a list of the people you've shouted out?
RONNIE Alcono should have stepped in and said something to the ref, l was always taught pool is a gentleman's game, as such ronnie should have said something
I agree with you there
Reading the comments I notice that many don't understand what the point of calling shots is. It's not a magic formula to recite, calling shots only serves to prevent a fortuitous shot from being passed off as intentional. That's why you don't have to call obvious shots.
Did any1 else see that cue ball roll off when it passed the 10 or was it just my eyes.....??
Yes and it rolled off because the table mechanics didn't have time to set the tables up a few days in advance of the tournament to make sure the weight of the table would have time to settle before levelling and installing the cloth, etc.
It’s unfortunate that it happened. Shane has been playing in enough tournaments to know that in some events you must call the 8 ball even if it’s right in front of a pocket. There are people who travel long distances to see him play. They pay for a ticket that helps with the prize money being offered. For him to quit the tournament is childish. They don’t say if this was the hill hill match or the final in which case he would be done anyway.
When is this from?
im guessing you have to call the 10 ball in this rule format. ive seen this 10 ball rule format before, so im with the ref on this one. dont assume every tourney will go by the same exact rules. shane knows this, he was probably just mostly disappointed in himself for not remembering since he for sure wouldve gone over the tourney’s rules.
Obviously a different country. I just read the rules and you don't have to call the shot if it is obvious. Shane was right but the rules may change in other countries.
Every tourney has its own rules.
Thank you for pointing out the variation in rules between different countries and tournaments.
So you actually seen the rules for this exact tournament lol ok
@@davidmiles6420 How did you arrived at that conclusion? What in my comment tells you such thing?
Do you need me to explain to you what I wrote?
holy shit rules, straight shot no need to call.
Holy shit pool is straight forward no need for rules. Our lives are governed by rules so we must obey them
@@terrynewman1679the rules state that you don't have to call obvious shots... and by definition an obvious shot is any shot that goes directly into a pocket
0:50 is there a roll on this table? that cue ball looks like it rolls behind the 10-ball.
0:42 looks like Shane expected the ball to react differently... hence my "roll" theory.
The most anyoing rule in pool calling each pocket . Don’t blame him
It's a good rule in league play where some players are so new to the game that they don't know where the ball is going after they hit it, just whack it and hope. But at this level nobody misses so badly that they make the object ball straight into another pocket. Even at my mid level rating, calling pockets is required in 8 ball in our league.
What a piece of crap ref. Shot was obvious. In 10 ball, only shots that aren’t obvious need to be called. Such as banks, combos, carums or crazy cuts.
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Shane is correct!! The referee is full of it.
Not if the rules stated you had to call the winning ball and none of us know what the exact rules were
All I can say is this: We don't know what the ref said or what foul was called. There is no audio in the video, and someone could have just gotten hold of this footage and made up anything. Would Six Pocket Sports care to comment on that? My guess is the ref called a double hit on him.
Strangely, the video cuts at the very instant he would have pointed his call with his cue.
SVB is a professional...he knows the 10 ball needs to be called. Since we have no proof...it only stands with the ref.
It's either poor refereeing, or a misguided non-standard rule mandating a formal call of the ten ball even for obvious shots. Probably the latter.
It's not the rule used in most every tournament big and small. And it's not the rule as defined by any set of written 10-ball rules I'm aware from my days refereeing and directing tournaments.
The written rule in all "call shot" games is that you don't need to bother formerly calling obvious shots, only banks, caroms, combinations, and shots that might be ambiguous. If I were playing Shane I would never accept a victory based on that kind of petty situation.
Also consider that Shane, despite being among the top players in the world, is hearing impaired and may have a distinct disadvantage if you start mucking with misguided custom rules.
100% Shane is right to be upset in this case. I don't think I'd walk out myself. But if he sensed that the rule was being abused, I can understand the frustration and that reaction. I've played him a few times and watched him many times and I don't think he's one of those self-entitled cry babies with a hair trigger ego like some I could list.
All ten ball rules say you have to call the pocket and none of us know what the exact rules were for this tournament
The same problem occurred for carlo biado hill hill he broke and ran the game and make the 10 in the side and it wasnt a call shot and they gave the set to carlos opponent instead
The thumbnail makes it seem that Shane left pool forever...
Obviously that ain't the case...
And the ref was wrong, he didn't call other obvious balls and the ref accepted them, same applies for that ball...
Those saying that it’s a stupid rule, the shot was pretty obvious, I agree with all of you. But I ask you, is quitting the right thing to do? The same thing happened to Efren, Django moved the cue ball with the tip of his cue stick and a foul was called, Ko Ping Yi made a push shot without saying "push" and a foul was called. All these are questionable calls by the ref. but none of them quit.
If the ref was a stickler about this minuscule rule, I wouldn’t want to keep playing at the same table either. Not calling a push shot is very, very,very different than not calling an extremely obvious shot
@@holdenfarrey333 Same thing, Ko Pin Yi though there’s no need to say the word "push" because it was extremely obvious that he was doing a push shot.
@@holdenfarrey333 you replied that you wouldn’t want to continue but that doesn’t answer my question. Is quitting the right thing to do? Efren, Django & Ko, all gentlemen players, didn’t quit and eventually won their matches.
@@holdenfarrey333no different than not calling your intended pocket if it’s a mandatory rule
They get refs that don’t know the game or etiquette. That is most of the problem. I’ve seen it happen at big one pocket tournaments we have played in where they set no time limit but complain when a match takes 5 hours and then sweat the players.
He didn’t call the other shots.
You only have to call the 10 ball.
We don’t know if he did or didn’t lol can’t hear what’s being said
Thank you SVB! They've taken the break away from you, changed size of pockets,shot clock,rack,ect and make up all these stupid rules and STILL CANNOT WIN.... GOAT SVB.....
So much for sportsmanship and IMHO honesty; players know a straight in shot so to allow ref to make such a call is BS
The ref was wrong to call a foul because it's an obvious shot to the corner, SVB is right to be frustrated at the call and chose to not proceed with the match, especially when Ronnie Alcano pulled a bullshit move by not correcting the referee on his call and tried to take advantage of it.
It is what it is though and nobody is perfect.
I'm with Shane. if its obvious he shouldn't have to break concentration to call it.
The shot was obvious.
Obvious, what pocket side or corner?
@@junzurbano5543 dude, really?
@@junzurbano5543 "Obvious" doesn't mean pocket that is available to shoot in. "Obvious" in context means that player pocketed object ball into pocket he aimed. E.I. not fluke.
@@junzurbano5543 Seriously?
What are the rules? Would you risk not calling?
after 1 incident in a stupid call shots tourney with one ref for all the matches lol... ball in hand took at least 1 minutes to align my 2-10 combo FTW,set it up slowly roll the 2 into the 10 that had to pass between 2 other balls to reach the pocket....clown opponent calls a FOUL on me hahaha i won my point and after that i shouted every single shot i took until they asked me to lower my voice.Stupid rules that every sucker try to get advantage of im leagues and tournaments see(De Luna vs Immonen 5-9 obvious combo).
@@mikescorpio13if you didn’t call the ball and pocket your opponent had every right to call you for it. Rules clearly state you have to call ball and pocket. And you said the 2 had to go between two other balls. How is your opponent supposed to know you wasn’t trying to make one of those
@@davidmiles6420 i did call it but ADHD boy was looking around the place or his phone instead of focusing on watching his opponent make the call like 90% of clowns playing in leagues and low level tournament.Alcano did it to Van Boening and also to Capito 2024 Indonesia International 10-Ball Open seeing Capito make the call and turning his head like a jerking shark...De Luna did it vs Immonen etc...etc... even pros do this kind of sharking when they see the Ref is not focus.Stupid call rules makes this possible.
The rule should be change. You need to call the 10 even if its obvious. So that there will be no confusion. 😊
I actually agree, call the game winning ball in those type games, not nine ball, or of course one pocket. just for reasons like this.
Only the ref is confused ... If the ball goes directly into a pocket it is considered an obvious shot
even better...bring the game back to what it was without called shots and money ball on the break.
@@Rob_333some 9 ball tournament you have to call the 9 also
It's the refs discretion to rigidly enforce the rule on an obvious shot and change the outcome of a game. And it's Shane's discretion to put away his cues and point out that the ref and the tournament are being run by clowns.
Shane is still the best. His opponent should have stood up for him. Too rigid rules and the game is so mental anyway.
right. change the rules in the middle of the game… makes a whole lot of sense. imagine if the real world was run like that. 😂 i thought you gain wisdom with age?
Kinda like Alcano calling the 1 in the same corner, though he missed...rules can be annoying.
This call pocket/no need to call an obvious pocket thing happens everywhere...happened to me here in Nigeria a couple of weeks ago.
It sounds like the incident with Shane Van Boening and Alcano resonates with experiences many pool players face, including your own in Nigeria. The tension between strictly following the rules, like calling every pocket, versus recognizing obvious shots is a common dilemma in the game.
Such incidents can be frustrating for players, especially when outcomes of significant matches hinge on these technicalities.
Rules are rules. Some tournaments have slightly different rules. Without rules, we’d have chaos. SVB was a little poosy for walking off in a huff. He could have just played better to make up the difference.
I wondering how the comments will be if it wasn't SvB 🤔😉
RIP Chris Clark my old FB buddy 🙏🏼
I was watching the video and i saw Chris,,, we were FB buds as well. When did he pass away?
Utterly stupXd Referee! Shane being the best and so calm, just took off...
Cool and informative video, but just curious (and genuinely so): Why did you decide to use an A.I. voiceover instead of narrating yourself?
@Dweller777
Thanks so much for your kind words and for your curiosity! I decided to go with an A.I. voiceover because, let's face it, my own voice sounds like it's perpetually stuck in a karaoke night gone wrong. 😅 I tried narrating my videos before, but it seemed like my voice was more effective as a comedy tool than a means of communication! So, I figured it's best to leave the talking to the pros (or in this case, the pro-grams).
Thanks for tuning in!
SVB should have fought it out and won just to spite the ref. He could’ve really made a point if he won he could’ve looked at the ref after every game he won
🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸SVB!!🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
How can Van Boning make such a rookie mistake. He’s a pro and should conduct himself as such and not have a hissy fit and quit.
Because it was totally ridiculous. It was obviously the pocket SVB was going for. There is no need to call it. I think ;players should follow the rules but when you have a totally obvious shot it is not needed.
⛔️ All Call Shot games do NOT require a Call where it’s obvious. ⚠️
Easy to say if the shot is obvious there’s no need to call it BUT if the shot miss the uncalled pocket and goes in an unintended pocket can the shooter say it is a legal shot? Obviously the shooter cannot and the referee must invoke the call shot rule and that ladies and gentlemen is the rationale behind the rule.
I don’t blame him. I don’t play with cheaters either. It’s a lose lose battle.
Petty, if the ref is allowed to enforce that, It is petty to enforce the rule on such an obvious shot. Shane should leave, he should vow to never play in that tournament organizer events again. Shane should choose to promote another tournament on that weekend next time. Shane can draw fans and money to someone else. Will the tournament organizer make changes? We really need to punish those petty douche bags, instigators, trolls, and sharking. You expect it from amateurs events. Not at this level though. punish the ref at least, send him packing.
That shot could have been banked, so wasn't entirely obvious. Also, there may be hard n fast rule that final pocket must be called. Shame tho to change a legitimate outcome over a technicality
Do you play pool? It was obvious SVB was going for the corner. LOL. There literally would have been no reason to bank that ball. It was an easy shot to the corner. The ref was technically correct but this is like giving someone a speeding ticket for going 60.1mph in a 60mph zone. Totally not needed.
That's not right. It was an obvious pocket for the 10 ball and no need to call that shot. here in the Philippines, that's called "luto"
This was a bullshyte call. Pool needs to get beyond this type of nonsense in order to achieve its rightful status amongst all other professional sports. I don't blame Shane one iota for unscrewing and walking away, as the shot was perfectly obvious. Any respected player would be offended and incensed by such an outrageous and unnecessary call by the ref. Ludicrous!
you can't fix "stupid", Shane is the man!
I was disappointed with Ronnie’s lack of involvement here. Idgaf if it’s a money match or tournament, as SVB’s opponent and true player to the game?…I’d be telling the ref it was obvious and legal. If the ref made me shoot the 10, I’d slap the cue ball with my cue.
SVB’s anger wasn’t just at the moron ref, but Alcano for just wanting the bad call
I believe SVB proved his point. It's obvious! obvious!
When a guy rolls a ball into a pocket like that it's clear he was shooting it there. Not like he under cut it and it banked in another pocket. Lousy way to take a game from a nice out.
So the ref probably caused the venue to lose the most popular pool player in the world and he probably hasn’t been back. What a shame, it’s not like he fouled or something big.
It would be Armageddon if referee would say it to Earl. Shane was right though
It's interesting to imagine how Earl would have reacted in that situation!
@@6PocketSports i wish i had filmed the interaction i had because Earl would have look like a gent compared to the rage i let out that day it was glorious... and the ref finally gave me reason good thing for my opponent which still could walk after that day.
I couldn’t believe alcano didn’t say anything
Correct to walk away, of course it was obvious, it's not that he try to pot it in the side and fluked it in the corner, lol. Poor sportsmanship.
Can you do better with words?
@@shannonbennett5692 i mean poor sportsmanship from the other guy, not shane :)
Lol God I love Shane he doesn't give a shit
The opponent needed to give that game to Van Boeing. If he wouldn't, then there is no pleasure in playing a jerk refereed by an incompetent. Pool is a game. Doesn't matter about prize money. Walk away if there is no fun to be had.
I would concede the rack if I was the opponent.
You make a valid point about the importance of sportsmanship and the enjoyment of the game in pool.
Um to them it is about the money it’s what they do for a living and you have to hold everyone accountable the same
What a bs call, granted this was 10-12 years ago, but still Come on man
You definitely have to call pocket on the 10 just as you would on the 9 or 8 ball if you were playing those games. At that high level he should kno and have it as a habit to call shots
His opponent should’ve justified his call. Here we are again, where rules dictates games and not players.
I agree ut sucks for Shane, rules are rules, but being reasonable the ref should have asked the opponent if he cared.
gotta call your shot man.... Especially the money ball... ur better than anyone else as far as flowing rules
Hey Philippine Tournament you just lost one of the biggest draws in any world-class tournament. Yeah rules matter but this was obvious and Shane could have been given a warning to call it next time it's what we do in 8 ball tournaments.
in the US, this happened to efren once or twice in a tournament and was penalized by the referee too. rules are rules. only difference is, efren didn’t walked out. besides, another violation was when the CB was still in motion, hands of SVB was already in the pocket. another violation. nothing against the great SVB. merely stating facts.
The problem with this is( and the video didn't explain it) shane didn't call his shots on all the other balls and the ref was fine with it and so was his opponent, its only when he wins the match that the ref says he didn't call his shot and then his opponent argues it as well. Its bullshit on the ref and his poor sportsmanship on his opponent. No need to continue. In Shane mind he's doing just fine without this bs tournament on his resume. And it only hurts the tournament not Shane.
Thanks for sharing your perspective!
Turn the damn music down.