Marshall JCM2000 TSL 100 Warning!!!! It's not what it Seems
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- Marshall JCM 2000 TSL 100 Watt Head. We open up this amp to see what's inside. I can tell it's not going to be what you expect to see in a Marshall JCM200 chassis. Watch the video to find out!!!
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Fabulous video - please keep them coming!!! Awesome
Hello Colin, thank you. Thanks for watching and take care.
Rubicons were recommended to me by psionic audio great tech greate channel
Hello. They are good enough for me then. Yes, great channel. Take care.
I'm going to build a trainwreck clone, and that battleship of an amp gave me an idea. Looks like trainwreck amps stack and glue the filter caps. I may just stack some boards like the brave builder of this beast.
Keep the great content coming !!
I use radial caps(cheaper and better quality these days) and zip tie them down to the turret board. That makes it much sturdier and still easy to remove. Radials is the future more values longer lasting high temperature , rubicon nichicon are good brands.
Hello. Good idea. Certainly more choice in radials. Thanks for watching and take care.
You're a brave man, for taking this one on.
Hello John. I am going to strip it out and build something good in ti it. Thanks for watching and take care.
@@vintageguitaramp_guitarteacher Looking forward to seeing what you come up with.
I guess one way to clean that amplifier up is it start with a hacksaw and a rake, if you can make anything of this amp my friend you are the man!
HaHa, Yes Ron. I think you are right. I am sure I can make something out of it. Take care Ron.
A lot of nice parts to rake out at least.
What an amp! Commissioned by Guy Fawkes? Rubycon caps are excellent, my preferred electrolytics.
Hello Peter. I think it would have gone up in flames if I had plugged it in. I also noticed that there was no HT fuse. Part two will be up in a few mins. Stripping out all the boards and parts to see what can be salvaged. The disaster gets worse in part two. Thanks for watching and take care.
In essence I can see what the previous owner was attempting to achieve here. The concept is great, the execution of the layout would never win a prize in an amp design contest. The potential of this chassis and it's TX's ( if still working) will be fantastic. One row of pots controlling a Fender Twin pre-amp, the other row a JCM-800 all ending up in a nice matched set of four 6V6's from JJ that would handle the HT voltage.
Hello part two will be up in a few mins. I think if it was possible to build an amp like that some one would have done by now. In part two we strip out the boards and parts to see what can be salvaged. Things get worse. Take care Pete.
I like the phenolic idea. It just has to be rewired.
Hello. It was a great idea in theory but very difficult to do in practice. With that amount of wiring it's hard to make the amp quiet. It just ends up with lots of background hum. Thanks for watching and take care.
I'm thinking that this thing never worked from the get go and if the builder used all new components then you'll have a nice score of parts. Love all the board sandwiches.
Hello Bob. I think the same. I have done to a part two on this one, stripping all the boards out and trying to work out the logic applied in building such a mess. I tested the transformers and they are fine. That also supports the theory that this was never powered up. And the fact that it had no HT fuse. Thanks Bob and take care.
Ill take some of that stuff,what ever you dont want .
Hello part two is up in a few mins. You may well change your mind when you see some of the stuff that comes out of it. Thanks for watching and take care.
Martyn, I think that seeing as it will be November the 5th. soon, I think you owe it to all your fans to swich it on so we can all enjoy the fireworks. Actually it's a right old Custer F..k!
Hello Steve it certainly is. Part two is out now. I strip out all the components. It get worse. Take care mate.
(speechless)
Hello Ernest, Yes, that's a lesser reaction that some of the comments but I see were you are coming from. Take care.
Looks like he was determined to use all the knobs! Where is the " Tune for maximum smoke " pot? I would power it up with a 200w bulb limiter just for giggles.
Ha Ha Ha. Yes, I will be using only 6 of them at the most. First song that would have been played on it would be: Light my fire by the Doors! Take care. Alan.
Those little yellow rectangular "bricks" appear to be relays. Looks to me like the perpetrator wanted to eliminate the solid-state logic and PCBs from the TSL2000. It's a complete rat's nest, of course, but the builder would certainly be able to brag that his amp was "hand wired": no PCBs in sight; and all the original digital logic switching has been replaced by "old school" relays, which some might think is an improvement. You could probably use the chassis and transformers to build up a nice instance of the 2203 type circuit, perhaps even with "channel switching" if wanted.
Hello, I think you have about got it right there. The 2203 is a good idea. I might well go with that one. Part two is out now. I strip out all the mess and it gets worse. Thanks for watching and take care.
Actually, several really experienced techs have warned *against* using those generic "SM" silver mica caps due to a high failure rate. Better quality silver micas are branded "CE". Anyway, this thing is a complete mess!
Hello That's good info, thank you. A mess indeed Part two is out in a few mins. It gets worse. Not much worth salvaging. Take care mate.
Have one of there amps the combo version tsl 122. I moded the shit out of the original bad conductive boards and got it running and sounding good but it was a a bit to much noise so I don’t use it. I think these channel switching amps should be pcb constructions it’s to much messy leads and potential sources for noise and ground loops. Headfirs amplifications down under make greate empty really well laid out quality pcbs for channel switching amps(Marshall style) that would be my way to go or build a classic plexi circuit with a Jose mod (one extra gain stage). The only good mod this person did was to mod the chassi with a flat aluminium plate instead of the original layout that only fit the original pcb which is not great. I will follow this project with interest because I want to rebuild my tsl122. New to your channel like it so far.
Good luck!
Hello, some good info there. I will check out Headfirst. Thanks for watching and take care.
Yes they are relays could be either 12 volt or 24 volt coils.
Hello. Yes I thought that's what they were. They are 12 volt. Thanks and take care.
@@vintageguitaramp_guitarteacher cheers.
I'd fire it up.
Too late now, alas, but whoever built it clearly had a concept of what they were doing. It's not a pretty picture, but it's difficult to build something this complex and make it look like a Hiwatt.
Certainly, some of the execution leaves a bit to be desired, but I still tip my hat to whomever put all that work in! That's why I'd put some valves in it (not my best ones, obviously) and start troubleshooting.
Filament wires carry some current but they don't need thick insulation, due to the low voltage. The gauge of the conductor is probably ok. I agree with you on the standby switch, though.
I wish to amend and withdraw my statement after watching the second video. Good God almighty, what a mess! 😂
I stand by the notion that whoever built it was very clever, but obviously too much so for their own good. It's like they dove straight into this without ever having built anything simpler before, like a champ or an ac15.
But jeez, what an effort! I suspect even the boards were drilled and turreted at home, by hand.
I still tip my hat, but I'm glad you didn't try to power it up! 😅
Hello Henrik. Of course you can withdraw your statement lol. I agree. Not the best project for a novice. Thanks for watching and take care.
Hello.
When the master volume of the clean channel is set to 0, does the amplifier mute 100% or does some sound still come out?
Hello. Sadly I never got to turn this amp on. It was an unfinished project. Thanks for watching and take care.
I'm guessing if someone took the time to design and assemble that, it likely worked at some point. Many very early "point to point" amplifiers are not very pretty on the inside compared to today's standards. All those components could easily be reassembled into a variety of classic amps.
Hello Ryan. Info I got was that the Guy who built it never finished and never got to power it up. But as you say, a lot of time went in to building it. Thanks for watching and take care.
@@vintageguitaramp_guitarteacher It's fun looking at other's creations. Cool video. Liked and subscribed. I'm currently working on a TSL100 that I bought as "won't power on." I'm digging in deep this weekend. So far I discoverd several mistakes the previous owner made in reassembling the amp, so hopefully new fuses, new tubes, and a lot of patience will prevail.
Mine seemed to work ok but you could also tell it is a bit old so I’m having a local tech update the entire amp.
They are good amps while they are working. It's a good idea to get it checked over. Thanks for watching and take care.
o my good god pure entertainment i think you cold get a jcm 800 out of that lot at least rubicons are good caps. anybody here worked on dynacord or echollete echo units absolute nightmare
Hell Neil, thank you. It might well end up being a JCM800. The problem with the Rubycons is that they have been glued together. I have never worked on either of those echo units. Are you working those at the moment? Thanks for watching and take care.
Do you know any place to get replacement boards? Mine fried and can’t find any of them anywhere!
Hello. Last month repaired one of these. The bias was running away due to the board being conductive. You cannot get these boards anymore. I used the Dr Tube bias kit to fix the amp. The only way you could get a board is to find someone who is breaking one of these for parts. If your board is suffering from runaway bias then check out the video I did on the Dr Tube bias kit. The link is below. Take care.
th-cam.com/video/2fhUN04Aet0/w-d-xo.html
I am a hobby type person and dabble in building stuff and NO I would not plug it in , I would strip it down and make it into two HIFI amps or a guitar amp and salvage the parts from it.
The parts in the amp could be worth more than its scrap value
Hello. Part two should be up in a few mins. Stripping out the boards to see what can be salvaged and to try and fathom the logic behind this mess. Take care.
@@vintageguitaramp_guitarteacher Just been watching it.
There's a fine line between clever and stupid. At least now you have a lifetime supply of Mallory 150's!
Hello, yes, you are right. I would send you half of the Mallory's but hiring a UPS truck for one delivery would be far to expensive. Mind you it should be a while before I run out of turrets boards too. Take care mate.
A modern day Frankenstein's Monster for Halloween, complete with an abnormal brain.
Hello, definitely. I have just put up part two it gets worse. I though I might salvage some of the parts, but very little worth saving. They even glued the knobs on to the pots. Good news is that the transformers test okay. Just need to sort a good build out for it. Thanks for watching and take care.
I wonder who built this Frankenstein amp?
Hello I wonder id he is watching. take care.
I dont suppise there just might have been some oscilation issues lol
Ha Ha ha, not at all. Quiet as a mouse:-)
Holly moley,as you say, would make half a dozen amps,good for spares eh,could get you crosseyed in no time flat,he he!😃
Hello. I did warn you on the phone it was not your average JCM200. In fact it's not your average anything. Take care mate Speak soon.
I recognize what it is ,it's a Rats nest ..lol
Part two is up in a a few mins. We may well find the odd Rat when I start stripping out the parts. Thanks for watching and take care.
So, you probably understand that what we want you to do, is to draw the full schematic of that thing. 😂
I mean, no one is interested in that era Marshalls in stock condition, but this one is something else. 🤓
A schematic? Should up in about 20 years time. That made roll with laughter. Part two is up in a few mins. We strip out the parts and it just gets worse. Thanks and take care.
@@vintageguitaramp_guitarteacher Could you make it 10 years? 👍
Just put a JCM 2000 in it... they're only about $700 a piece.
It's an idea. Thanks for watching and take care
Birds nest soup anyone?
Hello Steve Part two is up in a few mins. I am stripping out all the boards so we mind the odd Pidgin in there. Take care.
Can the owner tell you who wasted days of his life constructing this "Thing" ?
Hello Alan. I never met the owner but yes, I am right with you on it. Thanks for watching and take care.
WT absolute F 😮😮😮😮
Hello John, yep. I thought that when I first looked inside it. I can't say it on the video though. Thanks for watching and take care.
What a shit show. And people say the original TSLs are a nightmare. I’ve replaced the main board in that amp, as long as you label everything it’s easy. But this? I wouldn’t touch this nightmare.
Hello. Yes I was wondering if it had originally suffered the bias drift problem and that's why they removed the board and added this mess. All that work and time spent and they never even switched it on. Which was just as well. We should be building something in to the chassis later on in the year hopefully. Thanks for watching and take care.