How to get Marshall JCM2000 TSL to sound like JCM800 2203
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- ...or as close as possible...You can actually get pretty close when you know what to do ;-)
The gear:
- ESP Japan Custom Shop "Euge" - signature model w/ EMG 81 & 85
- BOSS SD-1 Super Overdrive
- ISP Decimator
- BOSS CE-5 Chorus Ensemble
- Radial Headbone VT - Tube Amp Head Switcher
- Marshall JCM2000 TSL from 2005
- Marshall JCM800 2203 from 1985
- Suhr Reactive Load IR
- Jens Bogren's "Sound Of God EQ2" IR
- Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 audio interface
- Cubase Pro 11
No post processing.
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About half way through the video, you can see the look of a dude who has found his sound and knows it. Hell yeah.
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"If you play like a lamb, it will sound bah. If you play like a lion it will roar". Nice one.
"It will clean up" -- plays clean tone that those annoying types on forums think is hi-gain. Ear of the beholder stuff. I prefer my cleans with a bit of sizzle on them too, e.g., Jimmy rolling his volume back in the Song Remains The Same film. Not fully clean. The only really clean tone I like is the Twin Reverb. Lush, smooth tone that kind of invites you to play.
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For my taste 2000 sounds better... especially in midrange area
Both of those 800s (ZW one isn't include) sound unbelievable tough even without boost. Probably because of special scandinavian spirit in the atmosphere
Indeed 🔥💪
Alot of hate for the Jcm2000 series is because they were manufactured with bad PCB boards pre-2004. The Rev.20 board is the replacement that fixes the issues. For those that did not know.
Correct.
Alternatively, revision < 20 boards can be retrofitted with a kit from Dr.Tube to fix the meltdown problem.
I bought a tsl after watching Euge's video and modded it with just a soldering iron and some patience.
Killer amp, especially if you throw kt77s into it.
Thanks for sharing the info Patrick 👌
Nice!👌
Mine is from 2005 and I had the speaker out jacks replaced or reconnected or whatever my tech did since it had some grounding issues but after that I haven’t had any problems with it. A great amp I must say.
@@EugeValovirta230V That was another issue.
Man!!!! Love the sound your getting out of your tsl. Making me love my little tsl601 even more. Also running through a 2x12 cab. Sleeper amps in my opinion. Jcm800 on a budget haha
Glad to hear man! Indeed 😎.
2203 sounds too distorted. I don't believe that it is regular/wo OD (Before SD-1)
Original sounds more ACDC style than ZW..
They’re all different. Especially the old ones.
Marshall tone man... It's damn hard to beat. Many have tried, some come close... but there is something about Marshall. I love my JVM410H. Next amp is a 2204 for sure.
I agree 👌💪.
I'm surprised at how good of a tone you can get out of that crunch channel! I can't wait to experiment with my old TSL100 (bought circa 2001) when I can be in the same city as it again. Thanks for the video!
Yeah it’s a great amp! Thanks!
I have bought all of my Marshalls because of Euge's videos
With that amount of overdrive, I guess you could plug into MG - it sound the same, at least on YT. The only difference would be the speakers.
But that's just me. You obvioously feel and hear different, so go for it.
WHY would you do so?? The whole idea with the 2203/04 is that it's a good basis for your pedals and or modding. The 2205/2210 and later are basically just that - a Marshall mod developed for Michael Schenker
I'm loving your videos EV. I learn a ton from every one. Thank you!
Glad to hear Robbie! Thanks!
Pepita is going to study all those videos during the weekend. You have done lots of them this week!
Indeed. Yeah I’ve been on a roll 😎
And some say zakk wylde is one of the last living guitar gods! U my friend are on that list as well! Thanks to this vid im keeping and modding my jcm2000 tsl 60w
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Vintage 30 swap in the combo
Hi, 1st of all, great simple yet full of information video.
I've already seen it a few months ago... yet I'm back for other details.
I'm getting bored with losing my tone on gigs due to volume problems. When I do it, I lose the sound that I've worked for hours. I know there's stuff to keep your amp (or amps) in a nice EQ + GAIN + VOL whatever settings, and you just control the output... without losing 'the' sound. Can anyone tell me what to get for this purpose? Not a rack :-)
Thx for any help.
Thanks!
This one: th-cam.com/video/UwqF5MdDUSw/w-d-xo.htmlsi=rx9XYYRG_0-PEj0B
I was serious about getting one, but me and my buddy Tinnitus found out it has no master volume, right? Fuck, 100w tube is a lot, I never crank my dsl40c above 4 on band practice.
On the other hand it should be possible to run volume pedal or eq pedal with volume control in fx loop and tame this beast I guess, but then again if you're going to drive a Lambo only 100km/h, you don't really need one.
All 3 channels have preamp volume (labeled as gain) and master volume 👌. A great amp 🤟.
JCM800 is a one channel amp with preamp volume and master volume.
But it’s like all tube amps, and especially with Marshalls, the sweet spot with master volume to really make the amps alive, is quite loud.
What a nasty tone. I love it! You are the man Euge! Awesome video.
Glad to hear James! Thanks!
Soo powerfool ! Euge! The beast gane Marshall ampli station, im soo load for this sound, great Euge and zak wilde!🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻
Thanks!
not quite the balls, but in Canada buying a TSL will save you $1500.. for that kind of coin, it will do just nicely
Indeed 👌
Did you check the TSL60?
Despite it being supposed to be just half the power of tsl100, it sounds a bit different, just curious about your opinion.
But the way which is your second favorite amp after the jcm 800?
I haven’t.
Probably my old 5150. I’ve used those two amps the most on albums / recordings since 90s.
Could you show us how to make the DSL100hr sound like an 800, if possible
I don’t have one so unfortunately can’t 🤷. But if I happen to get one someday then yes 😎👌.
Awesome bro,How to get Friedman BE-OD pedal to sound like JCM800 up next !! Thanks
Thanks! I've done it a while ago ;-) th-cam.com/video/1AvSjq6Sd1Y/w-d-xo.html
@@EugeValovirta230V Thanks so much Watching it !!
Hi Euge, I plan getting a TSL 100 but I'm a bit concerned about the volume. I already own a 15 watt Head and I'm playing it through a 4x12 Marshall cab with V30. I know that the TSL can be reduced to ~25watts. would you say there is a massive difference in loudness between a 15 watt and a 25 watt amp? On the 15 watt amp i already own, i can crank the master to around 9o'clock before it's getting too loud for me.
I haven’t played with 15 or 25 watt amps so I don’t have any idea but that a 100w Marshall is LOUD 😎.
100w is 4x as loud as 10w if that helps. I think the difference in loudness from 15 to 25 watts is a couple of dB.
Is the jcm2000 on overdrive channel 1 or 2? Thanks
The crunch.
Have you tried the TSL60? I'm interested in one as your reviews are superb. I have a Silver Jubilee owned a DSL and own have a few Mesa amps. I want something more raw but I always heard bad things about the TSL when they were around. Why was that? They seem great
Can’t be sure but I think I used one a few times on some tours / shows with Shining back in the day. It probably did the job ’cos otherwise I’d remember that 😎.
I think they’re great amps and most often the reason for a bad sound is not in the gear but in the mirror. And it’s always easier to blame the gear than to admit that it’s actually the playing that sucks. A good player will sound good no matter the gear & a bad player will sound bad no matter the gear.
Euge, besides the absolute truth bomb at 0:50 , how much do you think other things besides the amp settings make your specific tone sound so good .....such as IR, active pickups, speakers, etc?
Most of it comes from the player (hands) but obviously if you have a right amp for you with the right cab etc. and you know what you want it’ll be even better. One example: when I played through my friend Alexi Laiho’s (RIP) rig I didn’t sound anything like him but just me and when he played through my rig, and sometimes with my guitar, surprisingly he didn’t sound anything like me but just himself.
@@EugeValovirta230V very interesting!! Any chance you want to sell your hands? Haha. Thanks for the reply though. I'm chasing tone and yours is exactly what I'd love to have. Next would be Marc Diglio from XYZ. Different era an genre of music compared to yours, but still one of my favorite tones. Thanks to watching your videos, I changed over to a JCM2000 (50 watt though) but I think my cabinet is the next issue....1990s 1960 AV (Vintage) that was an extremely rare build from Marshall because it came stock with 8 ohm Marshall G12 Vintage Celestian speakers. I can't find another one like it. I even contacted Marshall directly and it appears it is a one-off type cabinet that they made during a transition from their JCM 800 cabinets.
I just got a tsl this past week. I don’t have a lot of experience with Marshall tube amps. I noticed the top plastic vent near the power tubes get quite hot. Do you experience this with your tsl?
Cool! Yeah tubes gets hot and they should. That means they’re working 👍😎. That’s why there is the went. I’ve removed the back plate on my amps that I have in my rack so they’d get air and not overheat ’cos I crank the amps and they’re really hot. Physically and soundwise 😊🔥.
Any thoughts on the Marshall JCM 2000 TSL 60 watt head?
I haven’t tried that. Or at least I don’t remember 😎.
starting the video with one of my favorite riffs of zakk Hell yeah
Yeah! 🤘😎
Your channel is amazing! From Brazil...
Oh thanks!
Hi Euge! Are you using Japanese or Taiwanese SD-1? Is there any difference between them?
The one I use here at my home studio is Japanese from 80s but I have a Taiwanese I bought 2019 on my live board and I can’t tell the difference.
the 2000 sounds like amp sim of the 800 and the 800 like the real thing. No contest, 800 is the clear winner. Great video
Thanks!
for an amp that has a ton more crap shoved in it, i'd say the TSL sounds pretty damn close - and i've owned a 2203 for 5 years now lol
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Ozzy! Ozzy! Damn good playing. Very informative. 👍
Thanks!
excellent ....i use the same setting with my modded 800 2210 series.
Nice!
Would you mind sharing the mods you had done. Thanks
I love all your videos and amp comparisons. I'm about to purchase a TSL100 JCM2000 amp. I really love Zakk's sound too and would like to replicate it. All my guitars are fitted out with EMG 85 81s. My question is what cab would you recommend using with the TSL100 from the following choices to get a close sound to that of Zakks.
A mesa 4x12 loaded with V30s or the 1960A 4x12 cab which has G12T75 speakers?
I’ve never liked those G12T75 speakers but V30 & Greenbacks a lot.
Ones sound isn’t much about the gear, it’s mainly about the playing. If you want to sound like Zakk you gotta play like him. I mean I sound like myself no matter the gear. Different gear just brings a bit different flavours but it still sounds just like me. The same with Zakk or pretty much any player.
Thanks for the advice! And you're right, a lot of the sound comes down to ones playing. Agree 100% there!
Also I was leaning towards the Mesa too with the V30. Only thing holding me back.. and this may not be true but this Mesa cab is the oversized version (4X12 RECTO STANDARD OS SLANT CABINET) and I've read a lot of comments online with guitarists saying the OS Mesa cabs have too much bass, a bit muddy and are less tight with high gain. Is this true for oversized cabs?
Oversized one is my favourite and have used one on many albums 👌.
Interesting... one of these super cheap near me, may need to grab it! Great video!
👌. Thanks!
Great video! What tunning are you in?
Thanks! Standard D / Drop C
I totally agree with you that presence is the key to a good tone! I always try preaching this to people, subscribed!
Cool! Thanks man! 🙏🤟👌
Presence is basically extra top end innit?
Yep. Treble is kinda lower frequency wise on top end and presence is higher higs 👌.
Gorgeous sound! I recommend you JCM 90SL-X 100w because it sounds really similar to JCM 800 2203 but on steroids!
JCM900*
Thanks! Yeah I'm familiar with the amp and it's great. The best 900 there is.
Great video Thanks!
Your licks and sound are amazing too!
Glad to hear! Thanks!
that is a killer sound EV
Yeah! 💪😎. Thanks!
So that is a 100 watt triple lead
Yes.
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Hey Man !!!
I love your channel. And you’re playing. And you’ve given me a good insight as to the JCM 2000. I’ve been looking for a JCM 800 again for a while now. The ones I’ve found are WAY OVER PRICED!
Back in 80s that’s all I used for my rock sound.
Now I play in verity bands doing anything from shit kicking country to OZZY. Plus I got out of music for quite awhile, and made the mistake of selling most of my stage gear off, when I did.
Now, I have two Fender Twin Tone Masters, for the county stuff, and with pedals, I can get a good 70s rock sound, but not the big sound for the Metal type music. I’ve recently bought a Marshall 1960 Lead Cabinet, with 30 watt Green Backs. Now all I need is a JCM 800, and I’ll pretty much be set for just about any sound I need.
Do you know where I can find a head for about $1000. dollars. $1200. at the most..,
Also, do you think I could get that same pedal boost sound with the Boss Dual Overdrive SD -2 ?
Holla Back !
Faubus
Thanks! I this JCM2000 TSL for sale on Reverb.com so you might want to check it out 🤟. I haven’t tried that OD but most likely really close.
Fuckin hell, it was great hearing you riff on Machine Gun Man. I'm not a huge Zakk fan but I LOVE the Pride and Glory album. Cheers Euge!!
Thanks man! Really glad to hear!
Thanks, Great Video
Glad you liked it!
I did a Tommy Folkesson modd on my DSL. Beats my EVH, 6505+, Engl and Rectifier.
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The other Marshall sounds good and I like it but there’s just something special about the old school JCM 800 isn’t there I reckon you’d agree
Indeed 👌💪.
Fantastic videos and content. I enjoy them a lot. Thank you
Glad to hear that! Thanks!
Really great playing and tone. Please stop making TSL sound so good......, the prices will increase once this information gets out 😂
Thanks!
Sorry 😎😁.
Killer tone.
Thanks! Can't go wrong with a Marshall :-)
It's really hard to see those settings could write them down please..thanks
Oh man I have no idea since it’s been a while when I did this video and I don’t pay much attention to them anyways but just use my ears like this: th-cam.com/video/vCxlsdErftk/w-d-xo.html
Hope this helps! 👌😎
@@EugeValovirta230V Great Video.SOUNDS FANTASTIC...Thank you CHEERS!
Glad to hear! Thanks!
What I want to know Euge is how I can get a Mesa Boogie Mark V retubed with a mix of Mesa and JJ tubes to sound like a JCM 800. 😀
You have some good sounding amps Euge. But tone comes from your hands too. Without you they wouldn't sound as good.
I don’t think that one can get a Mesa to sound like a Marshall and especially an 800 no matter what one does 😎.
Thanks! That is correct 👌
You right, I'm %#$@ out of luck there I think. One of these days, I'll have to get a Marshall again. In the meantime I'll try to squeeze some cool Marshall tones out of my MOOER processor. You're video in it a while back, showed how it can be done. Thanks for more great videos Euge.
😎. Thanks Han!
@@hanashe4599 you may wish to contact eurotubes, they sell integrated quad kits for mesa amps which work in place of the 6l6s mesa jams into all their amps.
Some combination of the el34 style tubes may bring you closer to the sound you're after.
Ive got a dual rectifier with a kt88/kt66 quad, which sounds much beefier and 'gnashy' than when i run 6l6s in it.
Keep in mind however, mesa will scowl so hard you'll feel it, should you put anything other than their brand of tubes in it. They certainly did when I told them of my recto...
@@tikhoav3315 I appreciate it, but actually got a set complete set from Eurotube's. I end up switching tubes around with all my amps till I get a tone and feel I like. Right now the power tubes are JJ's and the preamp tubes in gain stages and the phase inverter are a mix of JJ's and Mesa tubes. Which gives the amp a much smoother, warmer tone to me. A JCM 800 it isn't. A Mesa Mark V it definitely is.
Euge, very informative as usual.. that TSL really has been underappreciated.. I have a lead on a. Good price JCM2000 TSL 60.. is there a big difference or are we just punishing our ears less than the 100?
Thanks!
Yes: more tubes, bigger transformers, bigger tone etc. There’s a reason 100 watt amps still dominate 😎. But there are exceptions: I like a 50 watt Plexi more than a 100 watt. Personal preferences.
That has to be a Custom Shop Eclipse? Wow! Maple neck? YEAHHHHH baby.
Yeah 🤟. Here’s more info: th-cam.com/video/DOL8WMWdWho/w-d-xo.html
5:35 😂
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still convinced people that hate on the tsl have either never had one or never spent time with it
i have the tsl and a 2204 and live i always bring the tsl
Or they’re not much of a players.
About a minute should be enough: it’s a Marshall with a few tone controls and a master volume; crank the master and dial the others according to taste and rawk n roll 😎.
I used a boss od-3 with my tsl. Level at noonish, drive 0 just tightens everything up and kicks the amp harder. Try one out.
I don’t have OD-3 😎. But thanks for the tip anyways 👌.
Great video. Enjoyed 👍
Glad to hear! Thanks!
Can’t wait for the Zack Wylde boss pinch harmonic pedal to come out
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Thx man im thinkn bout buying one of these and you're the perfect man for the job !!!!!
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Damn, everything you present for us, Sound amazing, Can i buy your fingers, 😂
Thanks and no you can’t 😁.
Euge, you're a treasure.
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What pickups?
EMG 81 & 85
If you had to guess, what cab do you think the sound of god 2 is?
I actually know what cab/speakers/microphones it is but I’ve agreed not to reveal the info ’cos the idea is that people wouldn’t have any presumptions but just use their ears when choosing the IRs which makes total sense. I did that too so I didn’t have the info until recently. That and the other IRs are awesome and that’s the most important thing 👍😎.
I’ve used the (not the actual one but same) cab / speaker / mics on a few albums I’ve done and so has many other rock / metal players 😉.
On the RED WOLF album I just used the IR ’cos there was no need to use the ”real” stuff ’cos I can’t really tell the difference.
@@EugeValovirta230V respect man, i understand. Appreciate the info
Thanks! 👌
If this was the only marshall vid that was ever out there id still be super happy! Great tones brotha!!!! 🤘😜
Cool! 😎 Thanks!
I like the JCM 800
I only have my DSL100H head, anything I can do to get that JCM800 tone???
If I remember correct the Classic gain - channel on that is pretty much the same than the Crunch channel on TSL and the eq is pretty much the same except instead of a deep switch it has a resonance knob so turn that up to your liking so the same principles apply as on my video 👍😎.
@@EugeValovirta230V thx! I wish I had the funds to get a JCM 800!
You’re welcome!
Glad you asked cause I had issues with my DSL 40, even after changing the power tubes and cutting the bright cap. Always seemed like there should be another channel between classic and lead to give that jcm 800 sound.
Been debating on whether to buy the studio classic jcm 800
You should do this same thing with the dsl 100!
That’d be a bit harder but if I get my hands on one sure 😎.
Great video!
How did you solve the footswitch problem on the TSL100? After a while the contacts wear out because it is just a MIDI plug. Thats really a design issue and not made for heavy use. My footswitch stopped working a while ago.
Thank you!
Thanks!
I haven’t had any issues with it 🙏😎.
You need to open the amp up and re-solder the midi pin connector to the board. I had same issues with a used TSL head. I also glued the connector to the chassis for extra stability with hot glue gun.
@@lailer1975 hey there thanks for the tip I had it fixed already. Some people re-solder the plug and connector to proper XLR.
Hey Euge, what do you think about Half Stack vs Full Stack soundwise? Would you ever play a TSL100 Full Stack in a rehearsal situation or is it total overkill in your opinion? :)
Even though I’ve had (many) full stacks many times live I’ve only used the bottom cab / cabs; I just like how it sounds and that I can hear other instruments as well. And I don’t need to hear my guitar at 120 db at ear level 😎.
Anywhere from a 40 to 100 watt tube head. You're only using about 40 to 60 watts of it by the time you're PA is miced up and everything otherwise you drowned everybody out so it doesn't matter from 40 Watts to 20 wwatts is enough
The buffer circuit in the Boss SD-1 is the key to the chunk.
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Awesome a/b comparison 🤘
Glad to hear! Thanks!
@@EugeValovirta230V Thank you man .I want to play guitar with you, start a band, and fuck this world up with good music. hit me up.
Thanks but I have already two bands and we’re gonna continue touring with my main band Cyhra as soon as it’s possible again. We managed to do only Nordics, Mainland Europe and UK tours in support of our latest album before Covid messed things up and can’t wait to get back on the road again 🤘.
I think the tsl's got nore meat !!!!
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Greatest bro!!!!
Thanks!
You are wellcome E!!!!
Holy fucking tone
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I’m talking myself into a TSL 100, well, mostly the impressive tones you get from that amazing beast! Do you think it would hit the “sweet spot” through an attenuator? My JVM210H didn’t seem to benefit from the attenuator so haven’t tried the JVM410H with it yet.
Thanks! Yeah that’s the idea with attenuators; hit the sweet spot with master (usually loud as F) and then tame it down according to taste / need and so that the speakers move air (in my case it’s pretty loud - definitely not bedroom levels) 😎.
The attenuator must be good obviously so it doesn’t change the tone. My favourite is St. Rock’s React:IR / Cab Attenuator 👌.
JVM is not near to TSL100. TSL rips it off.
@@Leemuzhko TSL>JVM? Kept my attenuator just in case I find the “right” TSL to try with my guitars. Cool artwork on your custom guitar build!
Awesome video man...
Thanks!
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Hi Euge, this amps really roar and have tremendous sound🤘. I'm also big Marshall fan and recently i found one 30 anniversary Marshall 6100 LM for sale, have you ever tried it before?
Indeed💪.
Yeah I owned one back in the day and if I remember correct it’s quite similar than TSL. Great amp with 3 great channels 👌
Try the DSL
I've never seen such a ratio of likes to dislikes. You are The Guitar God.
Don’t know about that but I know my ways quite well with guitar stuff 😊. Thanks! 🙏