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Shame on you! (Well, you or the YT Algorithm?) Hiding your _whole_ channel from me, for _this_ long?! But, HA! I found you, sub'ed you & now.... you'll *never* get rid of me. 😈😂😂😂
This is the same reason why when they said they'd be doing more history stuff on another channel even though they're the even cooler cherry on top of an already cool, well-researched cake, I legitimately went "noo!" at my screen. Let the historian hist, guys!
Short answer: Probably not. Longer answer: Moonshiners, even in the early days of the practice, were rather well known in their local communities. To the point that everyone and their brother in the community would know who was the moonshiners. Meaning that some rando kid wandering into a moonshiner's still, even if it's from someone outside of the community, wouldn't warrant a murder. What point would there be, from the moonshiner's perspective, of drawing even more attention to the surrounding area?
Come to say much the same. Anyone thinking moonshining is some clandestine programming had obviously never been in the area one cooking. And as you said, the thought a three year old stumbling onto a shine operation and being murdered for it verges on absurd.
@@Kywaterdawg71 Yeah. Honestly, if a kid had stumbled across the operation, then the moonshiners would be more likely to help the kid find their parents than do anything to them. Furthermore, no moonshiner 'buries' their mash underground. Though the average moonshiner at that time was lucky if they had an 8th grade education, they also weren't stupid by any means. Burying your mash would allow all manner of animals or other things to fall into the mash. That'd contaminate the mash, and destroy any future 'cook' you would have. It doesn't hurt matters that putting the mash in the ground would mess up the temperatures needed for it to ferment. Lastly, it's worth noting that after alcohol had been boiled off the mash, the corn that was left over wasn't simply thrown away. That corn would be fed to hogs or cattle. So again, putting it in the ground makes no sense, as then it'd just be more work to get it out into sacks to carry to use for feed. There is just so much wrong with that whole theory, that it sounds more like someone who had only a small amount of knowledge about moonshining, and they let their imagination run wild.
The only way I could think of it possibly being moonshiners would maybe be some new jumpy shiners, but even then I dont think it was likely. Poor kid probably got bit by something posion/venomous and passed away 😢
I could see it if it wasn't the shiners or runners, but connections from the wider selling network I could see. In fact some stills where I live in california were connected to the Mob and they got discovered because the mobsters had killed some kids and one of the mobsters going to confession over it led to the discovery. For those wondering, no, Catholic Priests are not required to take your crimes to the grave. Especially back in the 30s when they were considered agents of a forieng state, that being Itally and or the Vatican
As someone who grew up in the hills with these men. They don’t shoot unless shot at, they run. See, you have to be caught with your hand in the cookie jar so to speak for the charges to hold up in court. So it’s better to run than stand and fight.
@@MrContemplationyeah I don’t buy that moonshiners harmed a child. Not only are they not monsters but it would also bring more attention to the area, not less. Moonshiners basically just want to be left alone for the most part. Their product tastes good too, nothing like the commercial stuff. It will be clear as water but taste like the darkest whiskey. It’s great stuff when done properly. The commercial stuff tastes like straight vodka. I’ve had a lot of moonshiners in my family, I’m from the smokies and still live here. As long as you have desperation you will have people that find ways to support themselves, even if that means shinning or cooking.
Some more info on the area now, This area is stricken with poverty and people relied on cheap booze to take them out of that reality for a while it made it themselves for some pocket money and to give out during holidays. Now days, the tourism seems to be making it worse, not better. Now instead of money not coming in, it just gets taken by the top players while the rest of us are priced out of our homes. At least when there was a lack of money in the economy the area was cheap to live in. The people that serve the tourism industry can’t feed or shelter their kids and social services are quick to tear families apart in this area when a water pump breaks or a storm blows down the shed. Need done time to buy a new pump or clean up the mess? Need a couple of days? Too bad. You lose your kids. If anyone cares, the mayor and governor really loves the tourism. If y’all tell them they’re doing a crap job, something might change. It would have to be a lot of people threatening to boycott the state but I’m sure after a while something would change. We are having a drug crisis now because of the same reason shining took off. People can’t support themselves.
Half drunk rednecks in the woods getting trigger happy over " them revenues" would never happen. For clarification..I live in the deep South and ,"Florida man" syndrome is not Florida exclusive.
It doesn't matter, really, but Aidan: rawboned (or raw-boned, or raw bone) is a descriptive word(s) meaning skinny, gaunt, or scrawny. So it's possible the source really did mean to type that about the dog. [Edited for clarity]
Thank you! I've also seen that expression, usually as a less than flattering description ("a raw-boned woman") of a hard working, hard luck, hard done by denizen of the backwoods. It seemed entirely appropriate to location even if I've never heard a dog referred to that way. Did the dog have any other descriptors, to determine breed? Idr.
@cleanserene6330 not that I can recall. I can imagine, being from a similar region myself, it was probably a mutt. I doubt they had a purebred anything. Not to say it's impossible. I just doubt it. So I could see the dog simply being described as scraggly, etc.
Here in WNC, the question “have you or do you drink moonshine more than once a year” was legitimately used by physicians and practitioners to determine whether a patient may be a “problem drinker” or not. The logic being that no one would drink moonshine without their primary goal being intoxication. 😂
@@BlacksmithBets Well, as a matter of fact, they do. There are ports, whiskey's and cognacs chosen to go with cigars for optimal flavour profile. Same goes with wines and food items. I was at a wine tasting once that paired wines with chocolates. Worked better than I thought.
As close as 50 yrs ago the local sheriff or constable would take away moonshine from the distillers and donate/give small amounts to the the older folks, as moonshine was also considered an old time folk remedy or medicinal.
It's always refreshing to find a channel that doesn't thrive on sensationalism. Thanks for continuing to demystify and "de-bigfootize" these cases. I never miss an episode.
The ol’ saying goes “Once two strangers climbed ol' Rocky Top Lookin' for a moonshine still Strangers ain't come down from Rocky Top Reckon they never will” Go Vols
Speaking of, I have to say it wrong in my head to spell it right. Btw fabulous desserts to be had in Mackinac city, particularly fudge and ice cream, and a 3rd great grandfather of mine was an oldest surviving resident of the Island, and played fiddle at the dances into his 70s.
Thanx for simply explaining why I knew I had just heard something 'wrong', without knowing exactly what I had heard that _was_ 'wrong'. Nice to learn a little something now and then!
Two things, It struck me as weird that a 3 year old would go off looking for the dog after it hadn't returned for a while, toddlers seem to live more in the moment so chasing it as it ran would make sense but i don't think they have the capacity yet to say "hmm the dog has been missing a while I should go find him." However the fact that he was following his siblings makes alot of sense in the regard. Anyway second thing please tell me we're getting"Bigfussy" shirts
David wants there to be more to a story than there actually is. Because most of the time the boring non spooky true doesn’t get the attention that something strange does
Which is truly a shame. It takes away from the few cases that are truly mysterious, and his credibility. Additionally even if it's not Bigfoot many are still fascinating stories.
@@maemccleary3283 I can understand his motivation to sensationalize these stories. It gets these missing persons cases back in the public eye and leads to the public asking more questions. Don't misunderstand I do think some of these cases are very strange on the surface and only get stranger as you dig deeper. I'm in a weird place with the supernatural or even cryptids. I want it to be real but I also want proof and I mean good proof. I've seen my share of things and heard stories from trusted sources (I'm from Missouri for reference) but that doesn't mean I'm going to believe every idiot who claims there's skin walkers on their ranch and the best evidence we get is "bro trust me" or pictures of flashlight beams.
It has nothing to do with attention. He deeply cares about the missing. That said, he does put too much stock in witness statements, he likes to think that if the cops aren't investigating someone as being involved, then they aren't involved. I don't believe that, I think everyone is a suspect until the truth comes out. There are a lot of cases though, that can't be explained at all and make no sense. Including a LOT of credible UFO sightings.
If you like that you should check out their Donner party and boy in the box some of their best IMO the Donner party one was like the killdozer one just full of information that no one else covered and it comes straight from the diaries of the people in the Donner party
welcome! literally go into the videos section close your eyes and click you can't go wrong with this channel it's all amazing content. When I found this channel, I binged all the videos and now I'm all caught up and sadly have to wait for new stuff. Enjoy though!
Some thoughts on cause of death, least important aspect of the case. I'm happy to provide citations if anyone wants to go down the spider/snake/poison rabbit hole after me. There aren't really spider species with medically significant venom in that area-particularly not ones which are inclined to bite. What does track for cause of death would be a snake bite, of which there are several very well camouflaged and quite defensive species hanging out. Some of those species share characteristics and behavior with snake species that are safe (enough) to bother. There are plenty of attractive looking plants and fungi which show up in the smokies as well, including some species which are safe to eat cooked but not raw-a differentiation a hungry toddler might not make on his own. (This has been your weekly engagement comment by me, brought to you by creepy crawly enjoyers against spider slander.)
Black widows have a very dangerous bite that is very toxic to humans, especially children. Their toxin can cause seizures in children which usually occur just before death. Since he was only 3, a black widow bite could have caused his death especially since he was in a hollow log which is a favorite living place for black widows as well as snakes.
When you say "in that area", where exactly do you mean? Because I live about an hour from the mountains in NC, and there's black widow and brown recluse spiders for sure. Somebody I know who worked doing landscaping was bitten by a spider while at work, and subsequently died a few days later in the hospital.
Live on the same Reservation as Sully’s Hill, ND, Now known as White Horse Hill. There’s a lot of ongoing missing person cases in our community that I think would interest you. Your indigenous history sections surprised me, when I first started watching your channel. Have been an avid viewer for months, never left a comment. Thank you for keeping up you and your team’s amazing work.
I was interested in Paulides' material, but it didn't take too long to see his subtext and pick up on how he was coloring his stories to fit his conclusions. So he's helpful for some of the research that he's done, but you have to take it with a grain of salt.
I grew up in the Smokies so far back in the woods we didn't get the Saturday Night Grand Ole Opry until Tuesday morning. Your break down was great with the exception of the spider bite. Most likely a snake bite. March sees snakes out sunning themselves during the day and will find a warm spot(hollow log) in the evening and night. In my 70 years in these hills I've never seen a spider of any kind that could kill even a small rodent much less a healthy 3 year old. Keep up the good work, I really enjoy your vids.
"The toddler put on his coat, leaving around three." So, a toddler just walks out of the house, like he is a college kid, and adults don't know. OK. .....Neglect is so often behind the missing kids cases.
lol i would have as a kid, but i was a weird kid, who got in trouble taking myself for a walk and introducing myself to neighbors. i was also a chatty kathy as a toddler who was obsessed with natural science and would tell you all about life facts of cheetahs and hyenas (my parents have videos of me talking my grandfathers ear off about cheetah eye-sight issues and speed ) i was glued to Nova science now and Nature, as well as secrets of the dead. i was also super talented at leaving quietly, my mom panicked one day because she couldnt find me, i was over at a relatives house making breakfast with them (i walked, we were visiting my grandparents and they were down the street from the relative i was visiting, she taught me how to make scrambled eggs =D. i just remember her getting a call, and saying: Oh, yes she's here, no worries! she said she tried to tell you she was coming over here, but you were busy. I showed her how to scramble eggs, she's pretty good at cooking.)
I participated in a field research class in the Cosby area of Tennessee so from an ecology perspective I can offer a bit of context. Venomous spiders in this region are way more rare than people think-- especially in March. March can get very cold, and most cold-blooded animals in this climate overwinter one way or another. Spiders seek warmth in places like sheds so you're much more likely to face them on a homestead than out in the wilderness at this time. There is the case for venomous snakes like diamond backs, but they are likewise going to brumate unless its an especially warm March. They recommend inexperienced hikers of the smokies come at latest mid May because that is when venomous snakes start to emerge from brumation. That isn't to say spiders and snakes don't exist in March they most definitely do, but they're going to be sluggish. A noisy three year old is not likely to catch any of these animals by surprise nor are they likely to capture the animal in much a situation where biting is its first response. Its still very possible, especially since he was found in a log where these critters might be hiding. But losing little Abe to exposure is significantly more likely.
You ought to write your own book on these disappearances with the info you discovered. Poor little Abe. 😢 Every article I've read and video I have watched on Trenny mentioned Simpson, even going so far as to say that Trenny's comb, that she carried everywhere, was found in his car. Also, I found out that star sapphire ring and matching pendant were gifts (from her parents?) and were found to be in the possession of a female classmate who never returned them to her parents. Trenny's case has left me completely confused by the contradictory information to the point that now I am wondering if she even existed at all.
As a local to the area I can say this… contact the Sevier and/or Cocke county library. Sevier county’s has a lot of online resources and are always willing to help. Try the Mountain Press, Sevier county’s newspaper or the Knoxville News Sentinel which is the largest in the area and based out of Knox county. The Knox county library may have papers older than the sentinel. Lastly, the area of Cosby could swallow half the world today and people would never be found. Back then it would be far worse, but the people, even kids, would have been FAR more capable than 99.9% of people are today when it comes to survival and navigating the land.
Exactly. Cosby is engulfed in the national park pretty much. King's library is amazing. I hope to go next week and look up some info on this case with my husband. He is a Ramsey descendant.
I am so glad to see you embracing a more skeptical take on these. They’re so much better with critical thinking behind them. I would love to see that continue and expand. The show is greatly improved lately.
As a member of a family who were known for the alcohol they produced, I feel that I should mention that there is a difference between moonshine, and corn liquor. Moonshine makes a great fuel for agriculture machinery, corn liquor is slightly sweet, with a pleasant sweet corn flavor. So moonshine is somewhere between 80 to 100 proof, and corn liquor is around 40 or so. Most people who were in the business, either did not drink, or only drank corn liquor. Think of moonshine as a concentrate, meant to be turned into mixed drinks or fake gin, usually sold up north at the time. Locally the trade was controlled by the local sheriff and his brother, the local federal judge, along with their partner, Al Capone. I live in the low country close to Charleston sc. Capone used Charleston as a port to get to Cuba. He was even a silent partner in many local businesses, an example is the largest hotel/cat house in Berkeley county.
I found out after my dad's funeral that grandpa had been a moonshiner, his grandfather before that, and that some of my aunts, uncles, and cousins took up the family hobby. Seems like maybe I missed out on a grand tradition.
I feel like David probably vets his sources when they don't say anything that helps fit his narrative and then let's it slide when sketchy sources do say things to fit his narrative. He seems like that kind of dude. Anyways, great video as always. ❤
I don't believe that Lore Daddy Attis really hates David Paulidis all that much. I feel like you just gets frustrated that he did a little bit of digging but then didn't verify what he dug up and is trying to show that with a little bit of extra time you can verify what could be truth and what could be false claims
As a Texan who's been to Mackinac Island Island a couple of times I cringed too. Lol. We watched another guy. Nukes Top 5 and swear he screws names up on purpose so people like us come to the comments and comment. Lol
Greeting from Grand Ledge, MI. The Grand River is down the hill from my house. We pronounce the county seat as "Shar LOT," not the more Southern "SHAW lut."
greetings from lansing michigan, not far from grand ledge- i always love telling ppl about the small town of pompeii, which is unfortunately pronounced locally as "pompy-eye"
I agree with you about Paulides, he doesn't invent evidence but he frequently hyperfocuses on specific points which he is clearly using to misdirect readers. That's as good as lying, in my book. The way he interfered with the DeOrr Kunz case is especially evil.
I fail to believe moonshiners would hurt a 3year old local boy. The dog under the porch leads me to believe a animal is responsible for this disappearance
@timfaulkner- Me too. Especially since a 3 yr old can't give evidence even if he recognized what he saw and the Feds weren't really involved in the search. It's highly likely that most of the locals benefited, in one way or another, from the moonshine trade and would likely just tell the boy to hush if he did say anything. No need for murder.
As someone with a degree in history I really enjoy your segemnts on the history of the area and peoples. Especially when dealing with native peoples. For me it helps not only set the scene, but gives a much broader picture over all.
I feel like this format - giving the David Paulides (sp?) version of the story before going and dissecting it - actually suits the topic quite well. It starts with how the story was presented as a Missing 411 case, what got it presented in that way, then discusses whether it does or does not truly belong
Shine can be good or it can be bad, it also depends what you're trying to make. A lot of people are essentially making everclear, which has no character. Homemade doesn't mean bad.
We're currently staying in The Cairngorms National Park in Scotland, and I've been really enjoying listening to these videos while getting ready/winding down for the day. Glad I came across the channel! 😄
Hope you’re enjoying it! The cairngorms I believe are also originally part of the same mountain complex that the appalchians were before continental shift! We actually have some similar stories in areas like the Cairngorms (I think the grey man of macdui specifically in the cairngorms)
Putting parks under the jurisdiction of the Department of Agriculture doesn’t make much sense today. But, back then when there were so few few parks, it probably prevented duplication of early environmental studies, such as hydrology, soil composition and other analyses.
The idea of the Moonshiners opening fire in the direction of sounds they hear is very funny to me. Unless these guys are shooting their guns 24/7, I doubt they're just shooting at random noises they hear in the woods.
If the moonshining aspects for the disappearance is true, a more realistic scenario would be that Abe got in a moonshiner's boobytrap and died. And to either avoid suspicion from the law or even blame from the family, they hid the body closer to the boy's home and in a spot that the body would eventually be found.
I used to be a Dave fan also. In fact I bought 6 of his books. Then I saw that he included cases that were clearly not of the "missing 411" type and could easily be explained. The last straw was when he constantly says he is being shadow banned and demonitized and when I commented to let him know there were ads in his videos and he might want to check on that, he bans me from his channel. I think the guy is dishonest and has been drinking his own Kool-Aid for too long..
The last few times I browsed through his comment section, he seemed hell-bent on pointing out all the subscribers that claimed they were unsubbed from his channel. Some even stated they were getting notifications, but were unsubbed, which is impossible I do believe.
Paulides biggest failing is omission. He has bad confirmation bias and will leave out things that do not fit his hypothesis. Looking back further in his past his dishonesty reaches all the way back to his time as a police officer which is why the departments he worked for fired him.
I personally liked the format. I have only recently discovered your channel and find your story telling extremely fascinating. you do an amazing job breaking down each case and your attention to detail is spot on. FYI going into the "history lessons" is one of the best parts of your story telling.
It happened in March so that gives reasonable cause. January the Cubs are born around March or April sow and cubs would be outside.A three year old might just walk right up to a cub.
There’s a story in my family about a moonshiner relative! My great grandfather was a farmer and a moonshiner who got caught and arrested, but immediately had to be taken to the hospital due to apendicitis. His wife, my great grandmother, disguised herself as an old woman to go see him in the hospital, gave him the old woman disguise, and dressed in her regular clothing. They walked past the guards and were never caught 😂 I don’t think the authorities went after him again either!
I love your videos, such good research, and like i love how you embrace nerding out, you have to, and you're so polite and professional like politely asking to skip the history section. I think it's one of the coolest things about your videos. I am from stl, I've actually worked on Grant's farm as in at one time Ulysses s Grant's farm, so many beautiful animals, many just roaming not all caged up. Keep up the great work and research Aidens! Lastly my only take on factor is I've loved what I've tried from there, i just think it's funny the thought of a man lonely eating a microwaved tv dinner for any meal you were living a very sad and lonely life, but now it's considered hip and cool, i love the story arc of microwavable meals lol
Very interesting as always gentlemen. Please continue these as the information you share is so important. Was not expecting to hear a possible relative mentioned - maternal great grandmother was named Christie and originally from Appalachian area. Lol. Thanks again.
@@SessaVdid not experience that myself and it's quite a deliberate journey to make so no real risk of that, also I am sure many businesses rely on visitors. Come visit!
My great grandpa and some of his friends moonshined a few summers up in the Sioux City area. They decided it was too much work after like the fourth summer and quit.
As a forester, I'm very happy that National Forests are not in the department of the Interior. 7:48 They are managed differently because they have different purposes.
You mentioning your towns Blobfest reminded me that in a few weeks, my town (Johnstown, PA) is having their own fest called Squonkapalooza on August 10th. It's a festival held every year to celebrate the Squonk, PA's most famous cryptid!
In regards to the spider bite, he was physically quite protected in the log and the cold would help slow decomposition considerably. It’s not unfeasible even back then that a spider bite would be noted on the body, especially if the examiner is a local who is familiar with the wildlife. They had crude toxicology back then, too. It would make sense since he was barefoot he was simply cold and exhausted and either slept through the calls for him or his calls back were too weak to be heard, especially if there was a strong wind.
Well, it has been my experience that dogs are afraid of larger predators such as bears. However, again, from personal experience, dogs are terrified of large cats even the smallest of the wild cats in this area (bobcats).
Funny how some one who got into this out of pure curiosity seems to do way more vetting of the facts than an ex cop/detective. I forget if he was detective or just a normal beat cop but either way. You'd think he'd know how important checking up on sources and running everything down either way. So honestly the reason I got into your content so much is because you do some of the most in depth source checking out of pretty much any one else on youtube. Same reason I stopped watching Nerdrotic's woo woo content because they literally do zero fact checking. So good on you brother keep it up, hard work yields the best results.
Definitely makes me question Paulides' detective career if he was a detective. How many innocent people are in jail or criminals walked free because he sucks at his job
I stumbled upon The Lore Lodge about a month ago and have been watching all the videos in reverse chronological order. It's funny, because the tone has apparently become more skeptical over the last couple of years. When you binge then from newest to oldest it's like watching Aiden slowly go insane.
Well, he could have gotten stuck in the log and suffocated or a snake could have bitten him. Fallen logs, hollow or otherwise, are places that snakes like to congregate around.
small note 'cause I'm local to the area; I've always heard Mackinac island is pronounced 'mack-eh-naw' I think it's due to french influence in the name.
Wrong but to each their own real moonshine taste way better than store bought liquor depending on who makes it Even if they slap the name moonshine on it don't make it moonshine and ever clear is why to strong of a proof for normal drinkers most people like their shine around 100proof of 50%abv and once you drink real and good moonshine you won't bother wasting money on gov liquor that kills more people then real moonshine
@@BillMcGirrever clear is technically legal "money liquor". (Contradictory to the newer trend of specialty runs (frog juice, apple pie, ECT) making the the shiner more money. "Money liquor" is traditionally high proof shine made out of the cheapest ingredients (corn and grain). The proof is the selling point, and it's typically a bulk run type of scenario. 90 percent of the shine that you will run across on the black market is going to be this bulk run stuff, and it's the same thing as ever clear. The "Moonshiners" TV show has skewed the public perception of what is actually going on.
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I LOL WHEN DAVID POLIDUS IS INTRODUCED AS A RETIRED POLICE OFFICER!"" HE DOESNT MENTION HE WAS FIRED FROM THE POLICE SERVICE FOR STEALING CASE INFORMATION! THINK ABOUT THAT WHEN YOU HEAR HIM TALK! LOL GBYAA!!!!!!!!!!
@@TheLoreLodge .... Back in day I worked with 94 WYSP Loud & Local... How it worked the bands were played on the radio show with Tommy Cornwell.. originally hosted by Mel Toxic ...and the live show was Wednesday night at John's boardwalk bar & grill.. I was the stage manager from '99-'01... Also my late husband was the singer in the band Marker... They played the original Grape Street... The Fire.. The balcony at the a Troc... Kyper..and so on... Keep up the amazing work... Make Philly proud 🤘🏻
Shame on you! (Well, you or the YT Algorithm?) Hiding your _whole_ channel from me, for _this_ long?! But, HA! I found you, sub'ed you & now.... you'll *never* get rid of me. 😈😂😂😂
"We have plenty of cases to cover, do not make more" That was really funny
"I assume if you're still here you want the history part" me nodding furiously.
Lol, I skipped that
Me also nodding furiously 😅 i didn't learn this kind of history in school so I'm learning it here lol
This is the same reason why when they said they'd be doing more history stuff on another channel even though they're the even cooler cherry on top of an already cool, well-researched cake, I legitimately went "noo!" at my screen. Let the historian hist, guys!
Absolutely, let the guys research and and present the historical stoofs. They're good at it.
I just fast forwarded the beginning, or else I'd switch channels.
Short answer: Probably not.
Longer answer: Moonshiners, even in the early days of the practice, were rather well known in their local communities. To the point that everyone and their brother in the community would know who was the moonshiners. Meaning that some rando kid wandering into a moonshiner's still, even if it's from someone outside of the community, wouldn't warrant a murder. What point would there be, from the moonshiner's perspective, of drawing even more attention to the surrounding area?
Come to say much the same. Anyone thinking moonshining is some clandestine programming had obviously never been in the area one cooking. And as you said, the thought a three year old stumbling onto a shine operation and being murdered for it verges on absurd.
@@Kywaterdawg71 Yeah. Honestly, if a kid had stumbled across the operation, then the moonshiners would be more likely to help the kid find their parents than do anything to them. Furthermore, no moonshiner 'buries' their mash underground. Though the average moonshiner at that time was lucky if they had an 8th grade education, they also weren't stupid by any means. Burying your mash would allow all manner of animals or other things to fall into the mash. That'd contaminate the mash, and destroy any future 'cook' you would have. It doesn't hurt matters that putting the mash in the ground would mess up the temperatures needed for it to ferment. Lastly, it's worth noting that after alcohol had been boiled off the mash, the corn that was left over wasn't simply thrown away. That corn would be fed to hogs or cattle. So again, putting it in the ground makes no sense, as then it'd just be more work to get it out into sacks to carry to use for feed. There is just so much wrong with that whole theory, that it sounds more like someone who had only a small amount of knowledge about moonshining, and they let their imagination run wild.
The only way I could think of it possibly being moonshiners would maybe be some new jumpy shiners, but even then I dont think it was likely. Poor kid probably got bit by something posion/venomous and passed away 😢
I could see it if it wasn't the shiners or runners, but connections from the wider selling network I could see. In fact some stills where I live in california were connected to the Mob and they got discovered because the mobsters had killed some kids and one of the mobsters going to confession over it led to the discovery.
For those wondering, no, Catholic Priests are not required to take your crimes to the grave. Especially back in the 30s when they were considered agents of a forieng state, that being Itally and or the Vatican
Also this kid was a toddler, it’s not like he’d understand what was going on enough to tell anyone
A child witnessing moonshiners is like a chicken witnessing a murder in Skyrim.
Both problems have the same solution, apparently…
As someone who grew up in the hills with these men. They don’t shoot unless shot at, they run. See, you have to be caught with your hand in the cookie jar so to speak for the charges to hold up in court. So it’s better to run than stand and fight.
@@MrContemplationliterally how NASCAR was created 😂
@@MrContemplationyeah I don’t buy that moonshiners harmed a child. Not only are they not monsters but it would also bring more attention to the area, not less. Moonshiners basically just want to be left alone for the most part. Their product tastes good too, nothing like the commercial stuff. It will be clear as water but taste like the darkest whiskey. It’s great stuff when done properly. The commercial stuff tastes like straight vodka.
I’ve had a lot of moonshiners in my family, I’m from the smokies and still live here. As long as you have desperation you will have people that find ways to support themselves, even if that means shinning or cooking.
Some more info on the area now, This area is stricken with poverty and people relied on cheap booze to take them out of that reality for a while it made it themselves for some pocket money and to give out during holidays. Now days, the tourism seems to be making it worse, not better. Now instead of money not coming in, it just gets taken by the top players while the rest of us are priced out of our homes. At least when there was a lack of money in the economy the area was cheap to live in. The people that serve the tourism industry can’t feed or shelter their kids and social services are quick to tear families apart in this area when a water pump breaks or a storm blows down the shed. Need done time to buy a new pump or clean up the mess? Need a couple of days? Too bad. You lose your kids.
If anyone cares, the mayor and governor really loves the tourism. If y’all tell them they’re doing a crap job, something might change. It would have to be a lot of people threatening to boycott the state but I’m sure after a while something would change. We are having a drug crisis now because of the same reason shining took off. People can’t support themselves.
potential moonshiner murder is not what I expected to be covered this week
A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one
Half drunk rednecks in the woods getting trigger happy over " them revenues" would never happen. For clarification..I live in the deep South and ,"Florida man" syndrome is not Florida exclusive.
I'm glad I like these older stories because the more new ones are just like what happened and it's sometimes not even solved
@@ThasabirdThere’s plenty old unsolved ones too
But there was no reason for them to do so. This was before prohibition (that started the next year). Their work was actually legal.
It doesn't matter, really, but Aidan: rawboned (or raw-boned, or raw bone) is a descriptive word(s) meaning skinny, gaunt, or scrawny. So it's possible the source really did mean to type that about the dog.
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Thank you! I was hoping someone else would notice that.
Thank you! I've also seen that expression, usually as a less than flattering description ("a raw-boned woman") of a hard working, hard luck, hard done by denizen of the backwoods. It seemed entirely appropriate to location even if I've never heard a dog referred to that way. Did the dog have any other descriptors, to determine breed? Idr.
@cleanserene6330 not that I can recall. I can imagine, being from a similar region myself, it was probably a mutt. I doubt they had a purebred anything. Not to say it's impossible. I just doubt it. So I could see the dog simply being described as scraggly, etc.
@@cleanserene6330 Yeah, I don't think that source was trying to identify a BREED of dog, just describe appearance.
Here in WNC, the question “have you or do you drink moonshine more than once a year” was legitimately used by physicians and practitioners to determine whether a patient may be a “problem drinker” or not. The logic being that no one would drink moonshine without their primary goal being intoxication. 😂
it also lets us know to check other things like are you going blind,do you have heart disease,do you have a gastric issue,do you have hepatitis
Lol as if people drink alcohol for any other reason
@@BlacksmithBets Well, as a matter of fact, they do. There are ports, whiskey's and cognacs chosen to go with cigars for optimal flavour profile. Same goes with wines and food items. I was at a wine tasting once that paired wines with chocolates. Worked better than I thought.
As close as 50 yrs ago the local sheriff or constable would take away moonshine from the distillers and donate/give small amounts to the the older folks, as moonshine was also considered an old time folk remedy or medicinal.
Moonshine has led me to several alcohol induced mistakes. Alcoholism is a bitch, but there's nothing I can do about it 😂.
It's always refreshing to find a channel that doesn't thrive on sensationalism. Thanks for continuing to demystify and "de-bigfootize" these cases. I never miss an episode.
The ol’ saying goes
“Once two strangers climbed ol' Rocky Top
Lookin' for a moonshine still
Strangers ain't come down from Rocky Top
Reckon they never will”
Go Vols
Roll tide
How bout them Dawgs!!!
As a Tennessean I believe it's healthy for outsiders to be reminded of this verse from time to time.😊
Corn won't grow at all on Rocky Top
Dirt's too rocky by far
That's why all the folks on Rocky Top
Get their corn from a jar
Rocky Top Tennessee... Heck yeah. A favorite song as,well as favorite place to visit. Rock on.
As the residential Michigander here, it's pronounced Mack-i-naw. I'll give you a pass on this one 😅
I screamed in my head it’s Mackinaw
Speaking of, I have to say it wrong in my head to spell it right. Btw fabulous desserts to be had in Mackinac city, particularly fudge and ice cream, and a 3rd great grandfather of mine was an oldest surviving resident of the Island, and played fiddle at the dances into his 70s.
Came to the comments for this.
Physically winced when I heard the pronunciation lol
Thanx for simply explaining why I knew I had just heard something 'wrong', without knowing exactly what I had heard that _was_ 'wrong'. Nice to learn a little something now and then!
Two things, It struck me as weird that a 3 year old would go off looking for the dog after it hadn't returned for a while, toddlers seem to live more in the moment so chasing it as it ran would make sense but i don't think they have the capacity yet to say "hmm the dog has been missing a while I should go find him." However the fact that he was following his siblings makes alot of sense in the regard. Anyway second thing please tell me we're getting"Bigfussy" shirts
David wants there to be more to a story than there actually is. Because most of the time the boring non spooky true doesn’t get the attention that something strange does
Which is truly a shame. It takes away from the few cases that are truly mysterious, and his credibility. Additionally even if it's not Bigfoot many are still fascinating stories.
@@maemccleary3283 I can understand his motivation to sensationalize these stories. It gets these missing persons cases back in the public eye and leads to the public asking more questions. Don't misunderstand I do think some of these cases are very strange on the surface and only get stranger as you dig deeper. I'm in a weird place with the supernatural or even cryptids. I want it to be real but I also want proof and I mean good proof. I've seen my share of things and heard stories from trusted sources (I'm from Missouri for reference) but that doesn't mean I'm going to believe every idiot who claims there's skin walkers on their ranch and the best evidence we get is "bro trust me" or pictures of flashlight beams.
It has nothing to do with attention. He deeply cares about the missing. That said, he does put too much stock in witness statements, he likes to think that if the cops aren't investigating someone as being involved, then they aren't involved. I don't believe that, I think everyone is a suspect until the truth comes out. There are a lot of cases though, that can't be explained at all and make no sense. Including a LOT of credible UFO sightings.
@@maemccleary3283 Paulides has never suggested BF as a cause.
When you start out liking 411, but then slowly turn into it's archenemy. Best villain origin story ever.
"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I, I took the one less traveled by, and that has made all the difference."
This series has become "Fact checking David Paulides." And I'm here for it.
Moonshine and moonshine distilling equipment? I believe you mean he sold Moonshine and Moonshine Accessories
TH-cam randomly recommended a killdozer video to me about an hour ago, and now I am subscribed and waiting for a premiere. Good stuff!
The videos about The Dyatlov Pass & MH370 are my personal favourites if you plan on binging 👍
@@Bert-lw1otoh, I am! I am 😊
If you like that you should check out their Donner party and boy in the box some of their best IMO the Donner party one was like the killdozer one just full of information that no one else covered and it comes straight from the diaries of the people in the Donner party
welcome! literally go into the videos section close your eyes and click you can't go wrong with this channel it's all amazing content. When I found this channel, I binged all the videos and now I'm all caught up and sadly have to wait for new stuff. Enjoy though!
Fell into the same trap😅
Rawboned in refernece to the dog means it was bony, not well-fed
Some thoughts on cause of death, least important aspect of the case. I'm happy to provide citations if anyone wants to go down the spider/snake/poison rabbit hole after me.
There aren't really spider species with medically significant venom in that area-particularly not ones which are inclined to bite.
What does track for cause of death would be a snake bite, of which there are several very well camouflaged and quite defensive species hanging out. Some of those species share characteristics and behavior with snake species that are safe (enough) to bother.
There are plenty of attractive looking plants and fungi which show up in the smokies as well, including some species which are safe to eat cooked but not raw-a differentiation a hungry toddler might not make on his own.
(This has been your weekly engagement comment by me, brought to you by creepy crawly enjoyers against spider slander.)
P.s. I would love to see TH-camr KyleHatesHiking on the podcast. He does similar videos, but focused on missing, uh, hikers.
@CandiceLemonShahe besmirches the names of those who were lost on the trails. Better if he stays off. rks
@williamraleigh7546 How does he besmirch their names?
Black widows have a very dangerous bite that is very toxic to humans, especially children. Their toxin can cause seizures in children which usually occur just before death. Since he was only 3, a black widow bite could have caused his death especially since he was in a hollow log which is a favorite living place for black widows as well as snakes.
When you say "in that area", where exactly do you mean? Because I live about an hour from the mountains in NC, and there's black widow and brown recluse spiders for sure. Somebody I know who worked doing landscaping was bitten by a spider while at work, and subsequently died a few days later in the hospital.
Live on the same Reservation as Sully’s Hill, ND, Now known as White Horse Hill. There’s a lot of ongoing missing person cases in our community that I think would interest you. Your indigenous history sections surprised me, when I first started watching your channel. Have been an avid viewer for months, never left a comment. Thank you for keeping up you and your team’s amazing work.
I was interested in Paulides' material, but it didn't take too long to see his subtext and pick up on how he was coloring his stories to fit his conclusions. So he's helpful for some of the research that he's done, but you have to take it with a grain of salt.
I like this episode because its able to deconstruct the narrative and reveal that the traditional story is just an old wives tale
Moon shine mixed with powdered country time lemonade is a good way to drink some shine ✨we call it shineade
Juice a watermelon and mix the juice half and half with some good white shine
8UP
Exactly like 7UP but extremely different 😂
The “my shot killed him” thing is psychologically. It’s a guilty thing, not a logic one.
"We have plenty of cases to cover, do not make more" 😂🤣
I grew up in the Smokies so far back in the woods we didn't get the Saturday Night Grand Ole Opry until Tuesday morning. Your break down was great with the exception of the spider bite. Most likely a snake bite. March sees snakes out sunning themselves during the day and will find a warm spot(hollow log) in the evening and night. In my 70 years in these hills I've never seen a spider of any kind that could kill even a small rodent much less a healthy 3 year old. Keep up the good work, I really enjoy your vids.
Aiden: please don't make more cases
Me, already covered in barbecue sauce and lounging in front of a bear den: oh, *now* you say something?
Follow your dreams!
Let freedom ring!
"The toddler put on his coat, leaving around three." So, a toddler just walks out of the house, like he is a college kid, and adults don't know.
OK. .....Neglect is so often behind the missing kids cases.
lol i would have as a kid, but i was a weird kid, who got in trouble taking myself for a walk and introducing myself to neighbors. i was also a chatty kathy as a toddler who was obsessed with natural science and would tell you all about life facts of cheetahs and hyenas (my parents have videos of me talking my grandfathers ear off about cheetah eye-sight issues and speed ) i was glued to Nova science now and Nature, as well as secrets of the dead.
i was also super talented at leaving quietly, my mom panicked one day because she couldnt find me, i was over at a relatives house making breakfast with them (i walked, we were visiting my grandparents and they were down the street from the relative i was visiting, she taught me how to make scrambled eggs =D. i just remember her getting a call, and saying: Oh, yes she's here, no worries! she said she tried to tell you she was coming over here, but you were busy. I showed her how to scramble eggs, she's pretty good at cooking.)
Its the parents 96% of the time
@@mouhitorinoboku9655I love this hahaha. I was an escape artist, but I found water parks instead of relatives 😂
When I was illegally working in a liquor store at 15, I knew a guy who made artisinal moonshine.
I'm a winemaker, I know heaps of guys who make it. Some are more "artisanal" than others, however 😂
In Kentucky. It’s all over the place here.
It can be a pretty neat hobby, some people want to make exactly the drink they want rather than looking for something close at the store.
I participated in a field research class in the Cosby area of Tennessee so from an ecology perspective I can offer a bit of context. Venomous spiders in this region are way more rare than people think-- especially in March. March can get very cold, and most cold-blooded animals in this climate overwinter one way or another. Spiders seek warmth in places like sheds so you're much more likely to face them on a homestead than out in the wilderness at this time. There is the case for venomous snakes like diamond backs, but they are likewise going to brumate unless its an especially warm March. They recommend inexperienced hikers of the smokies come at latest mid May because that is when venomous snakes start to emerge from brumation. That isn't to say spiders and snakes don't exist in March they most definitely do, but they're going to be sluggish. A noisy three year old is not likely to catch any of these animals by surprise nor are they likely to capture the animal in much a situation where biting is its first response. Its still very possible, especially since he was found in a log where these critters might be hiding. But losing little Abe to exposure is significantly more likely.
That pronunciation of Mackinac. It is much closer to Mack-in-awe
It is, my dad is from Michigan and I visited my grandmother there as a young child.
That opening line is gold.
You ought to write your own book on these disappearances with the info you discovered. Poor little Abe. 😢
Every article I've read and video I have watched on Trenny mentioned Simpson, even going so far as to say that Trenny's comb, that she carried everywhere, was found in his car. Also, I found out that star sapphire ring and matching pendant were gifts (from her parents?) and were found to be in the possession of a female classmate who never returned them to her parents. Trenny's case has left me completely confused by the contradictory information to the point that now I am wondering if she even existed at all.
Snake is more likely than spider imo.
Great video
Was going to say Timber Rattler or Copperhead more likely. It could also explain the dogs behavior...the dog might have also gotten bit.
As a local to the area I can say this… contact the Sevier and/or Cocke county library. Sevier county’s has a lot of online resources and are always willing to help. Try the Mountain Press, Sevier county’s newspaper or the Knoxville News Sentinel which is the largest in the area and based out of Knox county. The Knox county library may have papers older than the sentinel.
Lastly, the area of Cosby could swallow half the world today and people would never be found. Back then it would be far worse, but the people, even kids, would have been FAR more capable than 99.9% of people are today when it comes to survival and navigating the land.
Exactly. Cosby is engulfed in the national park pretty much. King's library is amazing. I hope to go next week and look up some info on this case with my husband. He is a Ramsey descendant.
Even if the older stories have little evidence or documentation it’s still fun to hear them deconstructed
5:06 pronounced mack-in-aw. Sincerely, somebody from Michigan. (The city is spelled correctly, idk what happened when they named the island)
I am so glad to see you embracing a more skeptical take on these. They’re so much better with critical thinking behind them. I would love to see that continue and expand. The show is greatly improved lately.
As a member of a family who were known for the alcohol they produced, I feel that I should mention that there is a difference between moonshine, and corn liquor. Moonshine makes a great fuel for agriculture machinery, corn liquor is slightly sweet, with a pleasant sweet corn flavor. So moonshine is somewhere between 80 to 100 proof, and corn liquor is around 40 or so. Most people who were in the business, either did not drink, or only drank corn liquor. Think of moonshine as a concentrate, meant to be turned into mixed drinks or fake gin, usually sold up north at the time. Locally the trade was controlled by the local sheriff and his brother, the local federal judge, along with their partner, Al Capone. I live in the low country close to Charleston sc. Capone used Charleston as a port to get to Cuba. He was even a silent partner in many local businesses, an example is the largest hotel/cat house in Berkeley county.
I found out after my dad's funeral that grandpa had been a moonshiner, his grandfather before that, and that some of my aunts, uncles, and cousins took up the family hobby. Seems like maybe I missed out on a grand tradition.
Theirs still time
I feel like David probably vets his sources when they don't say anything that helps fit his narrative and then let's it slide when sketchy sources do say things to fit his narrative.
He seems like that kind of dude.
Anyways, great video as always. ❤
I don't believe that Lore Daddy Attis really hates David Paulidis all that much. I feel like you just gets frustrated that he did a little bit of digging but then didn't verify what he dug up and is trying to show that with a little bit of extra time you can verify what could be truth and what could be false claims
As a Michigander hearing mackinack hurts.
So, how is pronounced? I also experience pain as an Oregonian with a silent e when certain words are mispronounced.
@@CodyHomes Macinaw (as in gnaw)
As a Wisconsinite, i cringed as soon as I heard that.
As a Texan who's been to Mackinac Island Island a couple of times I cringed too. Lol.
We watched another guy. Nukes Top 5 and swear he screws names up on purpose so people like us come to the comments and comment. Lol
Me too I can't stop cringing over it😅
The fr*nch naming conventions strike back in today's episode's Michigan lore mention
Greeting from Grand Ledge, MI. The Grand River is down the hill from my house. We pronounce the county seat as "Shar LOT," not the more Southern "SHAW lut."
greetings from lansing michigan, not far from grand ledge- i always love telling ppl about the small town of pompeii, which is unfortunately pronounced locally as "pompy-eye"
Greetings from Zeeland Michigan. What’s up? All the old Dutch people in Michigan live around here.
got a chuckle out of that as a yooper
The collective Michigander eye twitch at "Mack-in-ack"...
Thank you for your research. I’m always skeptical when someone repeats a Paulides story. He seems to omit a lot of information in his story telling.
love when you rip apart bad research! so relieved to have the history section back! so sad for Abe
B-But muh Bigfoot!
*-David Paulides, probably*
You must be brand new to all of this. Paulides has never suggested bigfoot.
I agree with you about Paulides, he doesn't invent evidence but he frequently hyperfocuses on specific points which he is clearly using to misdirect readers. That's as good as lying, in my book. The way he interfered with the DeOrr Kunz case is especially evil.
I fail to believe moonshiners would hurt a 3year old local boy. The dog under the porch leads me to believe a animal is responsible for this disappearance
@timfaulkner- Me too. Especially since a 3 yr old can't give evidence even if he recognized what he saw and the Feds weren't really involved in the search. It's highly likely that most of the locals benefited, in one way or another, from the moonshine trade and would likely just tell the boy to hush if he did say anything. No need for murder.
Cosby native here! Crazy to see our little town on your page!!
As someone with a degree in history I really enjoy your segemnts on the history of the area and peoples. Especially when dealing with native peoples. For me it helps not only set the scene, but gives a much broader picture over all.
I feel like this format - giving the David Paulides (sp?) version of the story before going and dissecting it - actually suits the topic quite well. It starts with how the story was presented as a Missing 411 case, what got it presented in that way, then discusses whether it does or does not truly belong
You'd like Zealous Beast as well. That's exactly what he does.
@@deerichardz Thanks for the recommendation!
You should name your line of Bunker Branding "Debunker Branding"
I'm with you on DP & going from impressed to suspect 🤔
Shine can be good or it can be bad, it also depends what you're trying to make. A lot of people are essentially making everclear, which has no character. Homemade doesn't mean bad.
We're currently staying in The Cairngorms National Park in Scotland, and I've been really enjoying listening to these videos while getting ready/winding down for the day. Glad I came across the channel! 😄
Hope you’re enjoying it! The cairngorms I believe are also originally part of the same mountain complex that the appalchians were before continental shift! We actually have some similar stories in areas like the Cairngorms (I think the grey man of macdui specifically in the cairngorms)
@@charissimpson235 Ah yeah, the Great Grey Man! We're hoping to get up Ben Macdui, if the weather allows 😄
What?! David Paulides adding or leaving out information nooooooooooo you must me mistaken 🤣🤣
Putting parks under the jurisdiction of the Department of Agriculture doesn’t make much sense today.
But, back then when there were so few few parks, it probably prevented duplication of early environmental studies, such as hydrology, soil composition and other analyses.
The idea of the Moonshiners opening fire in the direction of sounds they hear is very funny to me. Unless these guys are shooting their guns 24/7, I doubt they're just shooting at random noises they hear in the woods.
10:00 You didn’t have shine, you had shit. Real shine Is some of the best liquor you’ll ever drink - a WNC native
I've had it from some of my kin who live in Kentucky. Smooth, sweet, not a bad burn at all, and went down far easier than anything store bought.
Took the Feds six years to find Eric rudolf
America's hide and seek champion
lol
Easy now to find him in ADX Florence 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Feds didn't catch him. Local cop did.
@@gern7535I was going to say the same thing, and that was totally on accident.
Very interesting that this video has some sources listed and not a lot of older videos.
If the moonshining aspects for the disappearance is true, a more realistic scenario would be that Abe got in a moonshiner's boobytrap and died. And to either avoid suspicion from the law or even blame from the family, they hid the body closer to the boy's home and in a spot that the body would eventually be found.
Stock car racing began with running moonshine. 😂.
I used to be a Dave fan also. In fact I bought 6 of his books. Then I saw that he included cases that were clearly not of the "missing 411" type and could easily be explained. The last straw was when he constantly says he is being shadow banned and demonitized and when I commented to let him know there were ads in his videos and he might want to check on that, he bans me from his channel. I think the guy is dishonest and has been drinking his own Kool-Aid for too long..
The last few times I browsed through his comment section, he seemed hell-bent on pointing out all the subscribers that claimed they were unsubbed from his channel. Some even stated they were getting notifications, but were unsubbed, which is impossible I do believe.
Paulides biggest failing is omission. He has bad confirmation bias and will leave out things that do not fit his hypothesis. Looking back further in his past his dishonesty reaches all the way back to his time as a police officer which is why the departments he worked for fired him.
I personally liked the format. I have only recently discovered your channel and find your story telling extremely fascinating. you do an amazing job breaking down each case and your attention to detail is spot on. FYI going into the "history lessons" is one of the best parts of your story telling.
A sal with cubs is not afraid of dogs or people and will fight aggressively
It happened in March so that gives reasonable cause. January the Cubs are born around March or April sow and cubs would be outside.A three year old might just walk right up to a cub.
Sevier county resident here, hit me up with whatever you want researched and I’ll scoot on down to the records library and look it up for you!
There’s a story in my family about a moonshiner relative! My great grandfather was a farmer and a moonshiner who got caught and arrested, but immediately had to be taken to the hospital due to apendicitis. His wife, my great grandmother, disguised herself as an old woman to go see him in the hospital, gave him the old woman disguise, and dressed in her regular clothing. They walked past the guards and were never caught 😂 I don’t think the authorities went after him again either!
i did not know roosevelt went *that* crazy with the national parks damn
I love your videos, such good research, and like i love how you embrace nerding out, you have to, and you're so polite and professional like politely asking to skip the history section. I think it's one of the coolest things about your videos.
I am from stl, I've actually worked on Grant's farm as in at one time Ulysses s Grant's farm, so many beautiful animals, many just roaming not all caged up.
Keep up the great work and research Aidens!
Lastly my only take on factor is I've loved what I've tried from there, i just think it's funny the thought of a man lonely eating a microwaved tv dinner for any meal you were living a very sad and lonely life, but now it's considered hip and cool, i love the story arc of microwavable meals lol
I don't wanna SHOCK anyone, but I just realized that I have NEVER seen BILL NYE whenever SLENDERMAN was close😮😮😮😮
Mr KENT had a better secret identity
Glad to see the history segment return
Very interesting as always gentlemen. Please continue these as the information you share is so important. Was not expecting to hear a possible relative mentioned - maternal great grandmother was named Christie and originally from Appalachian area. Lol. Thanks again.
Mak-ah-naw
Ojibwe meaning Great Turtle. Beautiful place. I'd consider it the top 50 must travel destinations in The United States
Thank you so much for this. As soon as he said that I paused and had to see if anyone else had corrected the pronunciation yet.
@@parallellynx7296 I didn't even check I paused the video the second he said it and wrote the comment
I heard him say it and my ears bled a little. Lol.
Shhh, don't tell people to visit. Too many tourists lol
@@SessaVdid not experience that myself and it's quite a deliberate journey to make so no real risk of that, also I am sure many businesses rely on visitors. Come visit!
Gotta say, this video has one of the best cold opens I've seen on this channel. Kudos to you guys, it cracked me up
My great grandpa and some of his friends moonshined a few summers up in the Sioux City area. They decided it was too much work after like the fourth summer and quit.
As a Michigander the pronounciation of mackinac has hurt me deeply 5:12
As a forester, I'm very happy that National Forests are not in the department of the Interior. 7:48 They are managed differently because they have different purposes.
You mentioning your towns Blobfest reminded me that in a few weeks, my town (Johnstown, PA) is having their own fest called Squonkapalooza on August 10th. It's a festival held every year to celebrate the Squonk, PA's most famous cryptid!
congrats yall finally got to 500k subs sooo happy for u guys ....keep up the awesome work
the history segment is basically why i watch
In regards to the spider bite, he was physically quite protected in the log and the cold would help slow decomposition considerably.
It’s not unfeasible even back then that a spider bite would be noted on the body, especially if the examiner is a local who is familiar with the wildlife. They had crude toxicology back then, too.
It would make sense since he was barefoot he was simply cold and exhausted and either slept through the calls for him or his calls back were too weak to be heard, especially if there was a strong wind.
Honestly, I was wondering where the history segments of the videos had gone - I'm very glad they have made a triumphant return!
Well, it has been my experience that dogs are afraid of larger predators such as bears. However, again, from personal experience, dogs are terrified of large cats even the smallest of the wild cats in this area (bobcats).
Hank Hill: Propane and propane accessories.
🤝
John Ramsey: Moonshine and moonshine distilling equipment.
Funny how some one who got into this out of pure curiosity seems to do way more vetting of the facts than an ex cop/detective. I forget if he was detective or just a normal beat cop but either way. You'd think he'd know how important checking up on sources and running everything down either way. So honestly the reason I got into your content so much is because you do some of the most in depth source checking out of pretty much any one else on youtube. Same reason I stopped watching Nerdrotic's woo woo content because they literally do zero fact checking. So good on you brother keep it up, hard work yields the best results.
Definitely makes me question Paulides' detective career if he was a detective. How many innocent people are in jail or criminals walked free because he sucks at his job
I stumbled upon The Lore Lodge about a month ago and have been watching all the videos in reverse chronological order. It's funny, because the tone has apparently become more skeptical over the last couple of years. When you binge then from newest to oldest it's like watching Aiden slowly go insane.
Your research and breakdown is awesome. Dig the music too. 👍
I find the idea of moonshiner's firing at a sound very strange. Know your target and dont waste a shot
I love the history segments, it was always my favorite topic in school.
Well, he could have gotten stuck in the log and suffocated or a snake could have bitten him. Fallen logs, hollow or otherwise, are places that snakes like to congregate around.
I did, in fact, want to see the history segment
got stuck dead in my tracks hearing the Mackinac pronunciation 😭 Mack-in-aw
small note 'cause I'm local to the area;
I've always heard Mackinac island is pronounced 'mack-eh-naw' I think it's due to french influence in the name.
Aiden, your cold opens always get the exact same reaction out of me, every time I purse my lips, smirk, and pull my chin to the left xD
Pro tip: if you want authentic moonshine, don't buy the stuff in mason jars at the liquor store, buy everclear.
Wrong but to each their own real moonshine taste way better than store bought liquor depending on who makes it Even if they slap the name moonshine on it don't make it moonshine and ever clear is why to strong of a proof for normal drinkers most people like their shine around 100proof of 50%abv and once you drink real and good moonshine you won't bother wasting money on gov liquor that kills more people then real moonshine
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If you want authentic moon shine buy a moonshine still.
Everclear.🙄🤯
@@BillMcGirr correct
@@BillMcGirrever clear is technically legal "money liquor". (Contradictory to the newer trend of specialty runs (frog juice, apple pie, ECT) making the the shiner more money.
"Money liquor" is traditionally high proof shine made out of the cheapest ingredients (corn and grain). The proof is the selling point, and it's typically a bulk run type of scenario.
90 percent of the shine that you will run across on the black market is going to be this bulk run stuff, and it's the same thing as ever clear.
The "Moonshiners" TV show has skewed the public perception of what is actually going on.
David P and various other commentators should really look at applying Occam's Razor concept.