@@CSY_2How ? Colin made the “response” video to someone stating an his opinion Lucas never called out or came at anyone Colin’s the one who got his feelings hurt and started insulting people over a differing opinion of a video game like a child lmao
@@Sully.. he didn’t insult, Lucas in the video Colin was just stating his opinion about Lucas‘s opinions of the game then Lucas did a stream shit talking his response to his video💀
lucas is a grown ass man pushing like 50 mad about spiderman 2 as if he not going to buy it anyway on top of that he made dumb points then got salty when they was proven wrong the guy hates admitting he's stupid/wrong @@Sully..
I'm a huge fan but damn sometimes the spiderman Fandom can be really toxic or hypocritical. For example my only complaint is that Eddie won't be in this and everytime I bring up I get told to shut up get over it they are doing something new blah blah blah but then these are the same people who complain about webswing and the black suit , remember when they were bullying insomniac for the raimi suit and let's not forget them roasting the mj face model because apparently she looks old in the sequel and calling the new black suit trash can't touch the ground while swinging etc like for some of these fans it just doesn't stop.
@@adiasdiante1010 IKR!!!!! it feels like if you like or dislike certain things in this fanbase you're instantly public enemy no 1. Like people aren't allowed to like the mcu movies or dislike spectacular etc. or else they're "cringe fake soyboy cucks" or whatever the fuck and its just so mentally draining. Not to mention the rampant racism and refusal to accept anyone who isn't white as a valid spider-man, it just makes me sick.
*Collin trying to talk in a reasonable fashion* "*COLLINS, COLLINS YOU ARE WRONG*" *Literally interrupting him trying to talk trying to get everyone to listen to him trying to make sure he's the only one talking*
This "beef" is just ridiculous. Marvel Spiderman 2 may not be all that to some people, it might not even be GOTY, but tbh, i don't care. Different people have different tastes and expectations of games, and that's perfectly fine. And all that matters is, I'm excited for marvel Spiderman 2 and I'm definitely going to enjoy it.
I think Colin made a great example with god of war sequels god of war 1,2,3 have the same gaming mechanics and their all great sequels red dead redemption 1,2 have similar gaming mechanics and are still a great sequel and prequel,people nowadays don’t understand what a sequel is they’re not making a different game.
I remember being in a livestream where Lucas was trying to decide whether or not the new Spider-Man was a good sequel and he came to the conclusion it had all the things that make a good sequel. I guess just thinking of the things they could've done he realized there could've been more
This is my opinion, but I think there’s a difference between voicing your concerns and calling it out and out bad. Lucas’ gripes were minor, but had he stated it was meh, then I would understand. He just called it bad, with his gripes being more so nitpicky than actual criticism. I disagree on the gameplay not looking impressive, but again that’s my personal opinion. I believe where Colin got misunderstood is where there doesn’t need to be a complete overhaul/reinvention of the wheel for the game to still be good. You get to play as both spidermen, in a bigger map, their own side missions within the new story, new combat, dual takedowns and new traversal mechanics. That’s very solid. Can it improved on ever so slightly? Probably, but that critique should really wait till you’ve actually played the game and come to your conclusions. Colin’s point is that it shouldn’t break your excitement for the game just because one or two things aren’t included that you personally didn’t receive.
i agree with this so much . lucas is honestly nitpicking . he didn’t mention any of the new mechanics nor did he think abt the mechanics we haven’t seen . he thought a leaf trail you get by going fast now is the “next level” stuff he’s looking for … that’s just picking and choosing and then being bias to the info he hasn’t even cared to consider . and the game isn’t even out yet.
this is nothin new, yall rly watchin what he sayin ? he’s talkin bout integrating gameplay more thats it. ppl made vids bout this n hes the one that gets the heat😂
My guy lucas never said the game was bad he said it will be good but not great because its more or less the same it lacks innovation what new traversal mechanics are you talking about?the only new mechanics are the web wings and the combat is pretty much the same too the abilities are just better versions of the gadgets and how do finishers or the open world change the core mechanics of the game???If you think faster web swinging and new animations change the gameplay then i don't know what to say
I don’t want to be rude or anything, I just want to state my opinion: I do not think Spider-Man 2 PS5 is more of the same. The first gameplay reveal showed off the parrying system, new Symbiote abilities. Miles’ new venom power abilities, new gadgets, and of course, the web wings. In the new gameplay trailer, we saw some new animations of leaving the map screen, new ways to find side missions. Better graphics. New enemies. New air tricks. So yeah, I don’t think it’s more of the same.
It is more of the same honestly, there are no new systems added just additions to existing systems. Webwings are the only thing that is actually 100% new. And more of the same isn't a bad thing btw arkham city is one of the best sequels ever made and it's more of the same from arkham asylum, but it just expands on what that game established.
I feel like that is what you can apply to any possible sequel. “More of the same” can apply to any continuation. Take John Wick for example. You could really say it’s more of the same, it’s John killing people over and over maybe with some new stylish ways. John wick is still awesome though yk?
@@guccistealth3834I think this more of the same mentality is a joke. The games are not evolving graphicly and mechanicly as fast as a decade ago lol. A decade ago in 5 years development and game quality rapidly evolved with significant changes. Since 2017-2018 to 2023 all the AAA game look the same even a 2018 game can be better looking than a 2023 game lol. People have to understand tha we not gonna get a big leep in videogames until ps6 and the new xbox comes out and even then you wont realize as much evolution as a 1 or 2 decade ago. So you cant imagine games that has a laid down receipe to get a new skin lol- yeah they could have made a spiderman sequel that new things but it would have been not a sequel but an another spiderman game lol.
Yeah ngl you may think Colin is too aggressive but Lucas is fr a massive douchebag so I don't really think it's unwarranted. I do think Colins just absolutely shouldn't have bothered period with this since Lucas absolutely wouldn't let him talk and kept shutting him up and being a smug prick about everything which just got him more irritated. Cuz y'know, people like that just aren't worth engaging with. I think you can give valid criticism without 1. Being a nitpicker and 2. Being an asshole to everyone.
So it’s ok when the Arkham games reused (for the most part) the same gameplay mechanics while refining it, but when Insomniacs Spider-Man does the EXACT same thing, some people give ‘em shit for that….hypocrites.
Yeah, hell some of the criticisms made also don't make that much sense. Insomniac reusing some swinging animations is a bad thing? How come. Does every single thing need to be revamped for a game to be a sequel. As long as mechanics are improved and some new things are introduced, it's suffices as a sequel. It's not a reboot after all.
Nah foo Amazing Lucas was settin him up for failure by not even letting him go over the video and he just tryna make it seem like he sum like a bigger person or somethin😭 foo was jus nitpicking like crazy durin his video
It's weird seeing so many complaints about reused assets when Arkham City is like the crown jewel of Batman Arkham games and it still had a big basis from Arkham Asylum. If it's not broke, don't fix it...but it can be better. I feel like all of those questions in relation to Spider-Man 2 will have to be reserved for launch. That's the one thing I agree with Colin on. We just can't tell how peak or lazy things will be until the game is actually played.
I really find it funny how a freakin video game can start wars between incel fanboys. I mean this isn't the first time, as we still have kids and grown-ass men bickering over who the best live-action Spider-Man is. I've been a fan of the character my whole life and I love the games, but the fandom is just the worst part of it all. Seriously, ppl need to just grow up and touch some grass.
7:42 this is a huge point and question from Col. so say insomniac for whatever ask Lucas what can we add to this game to make it better right. Lucas will still have issue with the game because he has no examples of a game that has a leap from the first to the second and had innovate mechanics from the first game. And he won’t have that cuz that’s not what sequels are. Sequels are what you take from the first project TAKE THE SAME FORMULA THAT WORKED. Tweak and add a FEW more things. Not a massive leap in everything if that was to be done spiderman 2 would be dropping probably 2026/2027 which is dumb. Into the spiderverse movie and across the spiderverse movie and essentially the same far as narrative ( becoming your own Spider-Man ) essentially. First is learning to be and the second is not letting anyone tell you what u can and can’t be. Animation improved in Quality SLIGHTLY. But ultimately is the same style with a few tweaks.
Colin was being overly aggressive and Lucas was being condescending and patronizing. Regardless of who's points were right or wrong, these factors kept the argument from progressing and made them both look bad. There needed to be at least one mature person in this debate and there just wasn't, which made picking a side or agreeing with one more than the other much harder to do.
I definitely felt Lucas won that debate, Colins embarrassed himself and definitely didn’t help himself by exiting, even worse was when his friend told him he shouldn’t have left the stream. It’s never a good look when your own allies doubt you.
Lucas won the debate but didn't prove any of his points and was muting and interrupting, already a huge advantage in an argument. And Collin didn't want to debate in the first place until Lucas called him a coward and insulted him on a live stream. And I was watching Collin after he left and played mk1 he honestly didn't care at all.
@@dindoyop7478 Why would Lucas need to prove his points? That burden was upon Colins because he was the one disputing Lucas, and the only reason he got muted was because he was intentionally belligerent. I think he did this on purpose to mask the fact he wasn’t confident in his position, basically condescend your opponent as much as possible to look like you’re winning, and it backfired. And don’t forget Colin’s was the first to insult Lucas in his original reaction video and the stream so of course there was going to be tension. But Lucas even apologised to him in the beginning of the debate in order to make the discussion as amicable as possible, Collins; knowing this would highlight his intellectual ineptitude, just continued to shout, cuss and scream at Lucas because he knew it was his best chance of “winning” or appearing like he was winning, by either condescending Lucas or winning the moral ground by hopefully getting kicked off the stream. Unfortunately that didn’t work so well because he ended up leaving of his own volition.
@@CombatCinema12 Collin wasn't just shouting and cussing bro that was like 20 seconds worth of him doing that. Jeez these comments love spouting lies and meat ride Lucas because everytime Collin had a decent point Lucas said "no you're wrong" muting him and when unmuted he says let's move on. Lucas has been like this for years according to his fans. And Lucas needs to prove his points because if he doesn't you lose the argument entirely. And him apologizing was empty and meaningless because the second Collin left he went a full minute saying cowardly Collin and stalked his stream after he kicked s.k
@@CombatCinema12 and no Collin made a response and Lucas asked to debate and Collin said there's no point I don't need to explain why my other comment explains it. Lucas then makes a 4 hour stream where the first 20 minutes he insults Collins appearance and just says dumb things to his appeasing audience who'll agree to his every point even when it's racism (I don't think he was racist to Collin but he is to white people) Collin reacted to this stream and I'm pretty sure it led to Collin asking to have the debate on his grounds where there won't be any muting or talking over. And you defend Lucas muting him during an argument is laughable
This is how you don't have a healthy discussion. Each one is biased and they have already made up their mind to shut the other up. No patience or sense of curiosity towards the other's arguments, which they pretty much don't exist. I'm shocked how two grown ass men cannot act like such.
@@dindoyop7478 I agree with you. Obviously Lucas held a better composure. Collin got progressively angry from the start. However even though Lucas "won", he didn't approach the situation with genuinity. My opinion at least.
In the nicest way possible to everyone, it's a sequel, it seems you guys want this entirely different game and something just entirely new, it's a sequel to Spider-Man one, sequel are usually meant to be an improvement to the first which is what Spider-Man 2 did. Everything Lucas was complaining about and how "we've seen this before" yes but we haven't seen it in this fashion, this updated look, the feelings in the controller. Lucas was just being condicending and trying act all cool like he was better and smarter then everyone, Everytime Collin tried to get anything in Lucas would just talk down to him, I get wanting some new things like running on the floor while swinging and stuff, but the web wings are a very drastic change to the game
Tbh this stuff about Spider-Man 2 is bad or good is kinda stupid now like i love the game and i think its gonna be great but these debates are just boring...But when people say they hate it is because its set in New York again thats the only thing that gets to me
Facts. I’m not defending either side. But It was really weird how Lucas questioned Collins experience in the gaming department. Yet when he was questioned all he said was “I do have experience, just trust me bro.” Like idk why he refused to elaborate on that. Makes me think his “experience” is just bs at that point.
@@t.j.1584he could have expanding on it because when Colin said The Swinging was mechanics and Lucas said it wasn't he was starting to expand on why he didn't think it wasn't mechanics but then colin left the stream
@@dindoyop7478 I'm not meat writing Lucas in fact in his own video where he's on the stream my comment is actually disagreeing with one of his criticisms in his video. But you wouldn't know anything about that because you're too busy meat riding a teenager who got his panties in a bunch because someone else had criticisms about a game based on only the gameplay that he's seen from it. But I guess kids have to stick with kids. Don't think someone is meat writing someone just because they're siding with them on a particular incident. And I'm not your bro
@@SlimKim3 gets upset I assumed you were meat riding (btw you can disagree with someone and still be a meat rider genius) then assumes I meat ride Collin. "you wouldn't know" like bruh I'm not stalking you and btw you contradicted yourself at the end there. Also also, Collin responded to Lucas voicing his opinion, he wasn't even hostile about it. Lucas was the one being hostile but of course you conveniently skipped that part
The only problem I have with Lucas is how he sometimes delivers his statements. Nonetheless, Collins isn't any better. I would even say that Collins gets a more emotional and personal. In terms of arguments and points, I definitely think Lucas is much stronger. I think Spider-Man 2 will be a great game and better than Spider-Man 1, but I find it disappointing how little has changed from part 1. Yes, there are new things but for as how long they took it's rather weak development. Spider-Man game fans will very quickly have their honor insulted if you criticize the game.
About Collin though, Lucas made a stream calling him a coward because Lucas refused to talk on Collins grounds and insulted his looks while proving nothing patting his video on the back. The constant muting and not letting him finish or point or just saying "your argument is wrong no matter what". Though yeah Collin does need to chill a bit
lucas called leaf trails you get from swinging “next level” and what he looks for , there’s been so many new addresses mechanic’s and features that implement into the story to give an all around great experience , building on a foundation they barley had for a bit ? from The First Game To Miles Morales , That’s just a 2 Year Jump , the arkham series had one of the best formulas and held up throughout their series - why cant marvels spider man be seen as that and not being nit picked at bc you cant do small minor mechanics that you may not have gotten ? theirs so much more that’s implemented in the game that’s way different compared to sm1 in this new installment , the more darker tone story , improved combat system with more mechanics , more traversal mechanics , more speed due to it being PS5 exclusive, and features that are implemented into the story elements and set pieces . plus being able to play two different spideys .. and people are still not happy and doubt that much variety will be enough . they need to be able to run on walls while swinging… for it to be game of the year, it’s not enough. right?…..
@@Dachin55555 like I said, I understand why he got upset and I would've been upset if someone did that to me what he went through but he still lost his cool for a bit. Collin Took an L but already won the debate when Lucas spent 20 minutes of his response Insulting his looks, praising his own video for 2 hours then proved nothing at all.
I find it weird that when lucas talked about the mechanics of the game like loop de loops, he down plays them just because they're in other spiderman games and I think that's weird because most spiderman games feel different to play like spiderman 2 for the ps2 feels different from Web of shadows so doing them in spider man 2 (ps5) is going to feel new and refreshing especially with insomniacs polish. And obviously spiderman is going to do these things like chase missions, he's spiderman, he's not going to drive to venom in the final mission. But over all I get having worries or concerns for the game but people arguing over a game that's not even out yet seems pointless. Plus insomniac isn't just going to change there formula or make crazy changes to there gameplay because its a sequel and not an entirely new game universe
I swear I am convinced some of you Colin fanbois have some kind of 3rd degree dementia 💀💀😂😂. Because I am pretty sure Lucas was the one who offered Colin to debate him on his own channel, but Colin declined.
Spiderman 2 is a slog to get through didn't feel anything finishing it the first time and the first game has a better story. I won't go further beyond that.
11:57 A normal Dad and son argument But honestly I think Lucas won the argument and everyone has a different opinion about something someone is looking forward to. But personally I’m really excited
I just want to say that I feel like criticism should be welcomed I do agree with that but I feel like there a lot of things Lucas says just is dumb and also want to point out if you think they used the same animations from the first please just look at the new footage again. and also make it clear that I'm not trying argue and don't really want to deal with people trying to argue about game that we know is going to be good, I just want to enjoy it and have fun
Lucas is right though after awhile it's repetitive in gameplay. Lucas did mention ways that the game can improve. It's just constructive criticism at the end pf the day.
Lucas isn't constructive. Ultimately, for him, it's about elevating himself. The man thinks he can, if assigned 20 people and given money, improve the game dramatically as if A) it isn't a big ask and B) it's that easy. This is something he has said himself. As far as I'm aware, he has no game development history. His examples for improving the game are also, more often than not, antiquated and artificial. He uses games like Sekiro to try and illustrate he's a "true gamer"...I'm a FromSoft fanboy and even I think he's cringe-inducing for his line of thinking. It's a f**king game - not a right of passage. He's literally the NPC you put in games to critique "fans".
also with a recent tweet and announcement, swing steering assist, james stevenson said its the opposite of an accesbility feature, and when turned down to 1, it will be more physics based and challenging, it will be at 10 on default like the previous game, meaning we can get more physics based swinging which is what lucas was mostly wanting lmao.
@@skndsidjd7540it's only when things that can be improved on don't get improved on that something becomes repetitive. The point in his stream video of how the cutscenes mixed with gameplay only consists of you doing one thing at a time pressing one button over and over which is what he referenced in the chase scene with lizard. I don't mind it because I still think it's great but if you're looking after something that's repetitive that can be considered to be.
Bruh Lucas’ “ problems” with Spider-Man 2 are piss poor. His comparisons he made with Spider-Man 2 to some of the older Spider-Man games are laughable..
One thing I’ll say is Lucas doesn’t seem to have a grasp on sequels in gaming as it always keeps the core gameplay while expanding and making minor changes to better the game ex god of war Arkham games, gta etc… they all have fundamentally the same gameplay across the broad while adding new things on top of that to better the prior experience n Spider-Man 2 does that beautifully
Your free to criticize after the game comes out. You can't judge the game based of trailers or demo gameplay. When you play the game fully I'm sure there Will be lots to criticize no game is perfect but that's for after the game has been released and been played
Your answer to everything….. The Amazing Lucas: Nitpicking Fans: Toxic Colin.: Enjoys the game of the year. Spider-Man 2(tries to dismiss The Amazing Lucas nitpicking) Fans: Calm
Collin is WAAAAY too easy to fluster and starts throwing adhominen attacks and starts CUSSING cause he can't actually express his points😂. He did the same with SK. This man has a parasocial relationship with this damn game😭. Its actually insane. I've never seen someone this attached to a piece of media that they have to go at EVERYONE who makes even a MILD critique😭💀. If they can't handle lucas now when he's WAAAY more mild than he use to be...I can't imagine how they would've handled 2018 Lucas cause bro didn't turn down ANY smoke back then💀
Saying slurs and being racist isn't cool and Collin isn't as attached to this situation as you think he is. He was willing to talk to s.k for a good amount of time regardless of the beef.
@@dindoyop7478 Huh? Who said saying Slurs and being racist was cool?💀. And if you think that's a problem with Lucas, I'm gonna tell you right now that Collin doesn't have a problem with that either if you know tue context of his older vids. And Yh he was willing to talk but Collin still has a bad habit of being HIGHLY antagonistic in his rebuttles which is what starts these beefs to begin with. Like Collin legit started BOTH of them😭. If bro had some level decorum NONE of these beefs would exist🤷♂️ And I'm not refereing to his attachment to THIS situation. I'm referring to the game in general. I get that he likes it but trying to put it above any and everything else is kinda weird💀
@@no.1spidey-fan182 he isn't doing what you're saying he thinks the game is gonna be good and said the bad and ugly points weren't anything that would affect the game at all and are just Lucas's opinions. And you saying "well but Collin said the same thing" he's not a racist but I've heard him say faggot before which isn't that bad compared to Lucas who is a racist and has said that if you're white and disagrees with him you're racist. He also hates white cops and excused black people committing crimes saying it's in the past but will make sure to acknowledge every white guy that breaks the law. Not very mature for a 30 year old with a massive tempter from his mk1 streams. Lucas has the excuse of being young, Lucas doesn't
@@no.1spidey-fan182 "if they can't handle Lucas now when he's way more mild than he used to be" I want to point out how wrong this sentence this is because he's actually a lot more unhinged in the recent years and some old fans on his videos talk about how he's become too political and became a legit liberal racist. And you saying they can't handle when he mutes/talks over during an argument is lame. Sorry my guy but you are very biased towards Lucas I wouldn't say meat riding his comment section are the meat riders
@@dindoyop7478 Lucas straight up said it was his opinion and that it wouldnt affect overall enjoyment of the game. Your first paragraph straight up admits that Collins entire rebuttle vid was POINTLESS😂. Lucas didnt say the game was trash, he praised what he saw and had some nitpicks. I have no idea why Collin made this big deal out of nothing
Bro the amazingly mid lucas is like a freaking man child 💀. He can't prove any of his points without trying to bringing up, "Innovation". Insomniac has the best innovative ideas out of everyone else who has made a Spiderman game. And why did bro say, " wah wah cowardly colin has left." Like what the hell.
I like that yall are getting on colins for being mad like lucas isn’t PURPOSEFULLY trying to make him mad. Number 1, most of hus response was an attack on colins person rather than a response to his points, to which colin says “the game isn’t out yet, theres nothing to debate” Number 2, lucas then goes on live to watch colin and S K’s stream, tagging them which he knows is going to get colin angry and make him want to debate, but then to goat him on even further he calls him even more names, and his fans go over to colin’s stream to make fun of him, all so colin can come in heated so that Number 3, lucas can spin things to seem more mature by being condescending and just talking with a calmer voice, which is only going to make him MORE angry, and if lucas can just keep spouting out dumb shit, which he has in spades, eventually colin is gonna blow up and leave, and then the people who only cut in the important parts and remove any of the context are going to see one person be explosive and another being calm. I mean thats why he finds the closest scapegoat to kick S K off the debate floor, because hes an actual debater and knows to keep his cool, and even then lucas’ tactics were starting to get under his skin also.
I will say the colin isn’t 100% in the right tho. It often kinda seems like he goes out and picks fights by getting unnecessarily mad at videos that aren’t even that bad in thier points, and also i think he could have at least made a passing sentence about lucas’s good points, because psychologically it makes it feel like lucas just made a hate video, even if its shown that there is a good side.
@@humanspider37I just finished spiderman remastered yesterday and looking at this one I have to say the game looks a lot different, new animation, new physics, physics settings confirmed by insomniac and the web swinging physics, web wings, new symbiote combat, two spiderman, a addition to the map, way more suits with different color variations, new combat features including health bars on bosses and a counter system, better graphics, faster swinging, and of course a new story with potentially a lot more stuff we haven't seen..... so yeah the game is pretty much different
web swinging physics was a great setting they announced, and lucas was saying on and on about how there wont be more physics based swinging and how insomniac is making a game for dummies and babies and thats one of the biggest things he was complaining about and insomniac put this feature making him look like an idiot lol. @@ETGamer-yl6dm
Haven't gotten too far into the video, but I do want talk about something from the beginning. I agree that the stealth hasn't been really addressed outside showing the new web lines, but I don't agree about the web swinging. Using your example of Arkham City, that game's base mechanics are largely the same and just expanded upon what was set up in Asylum. I have no issue with you being unimpressed with the recent gameplay, but I don't see the problem with reused animations especially with the new ones in there for Peter (Miles fits more in this case imo). The Arkham games are not exempt from the usage of old animations, but I think people excuse it because they aren't paying attention or the game is just moving fast.
@@therevival4433 In regards to Spider-Man or Arkham? If Arkham, that wasn't added until Knight, but I would say that it is a good addition to the game and was used in the right amount. If you were talking about Spider-Man, then I kinda feel the same way as I do with Arkham, but I still need to see the full extent of the feature.
@@therevival4433 Ok then. Like I said, I think dual takedowns are a great addition here even if it's used sparingly which is probably for the best. It is a little less limited than Arkham Knight, but it's within character/makes sense for the story to do it like this.
I think peoples' expectations for games are pretty wild, like if you expect a sequel to have basically no/minimal reused assets just cuz "technology is better" that's wild as fuck to me.
Collins is fundamental incorrect. Just because you think something is of the highest standard available, that doesn't mean you consider it the highest standard that is possible. 10/10 is the ideal score, and while some people may rate something that high, others may not. My favorite game ever may only get a 9/10 rating out of me, but just because it's my favorite game doesn't mean that I think it's perfect.
It really makes me sad that this is what Spider-Man fans are look I get it people don't need to like this game but we also got to preciate that they are no cosmetics things they have to buy in game you can play this game with nothing to worry about a battle pass nothing look at Marvel Avengers
One thing I've noticed is the amazing lucas and his fans claim to be mature adults and collin&friends and immature 8 year olds yet none of the collins fans joined his stream and spammed comments but the mature lucas fans kept coming to back and did. And the comment section on collins streams are understanding and pointing out the hypocrisy between both partries and most of Lucas's comments are just insulting collin and his looks and meat riding lucas saying he destroyed him.
Collins fans are blatantly lying in the comment section and moving the goalpost to bring up pst events about the raimi suit, while blowing Lucas' arguement out of proportion to just make him look like some "villain". Its frankly SAD Lucas never said the game was bad but Collin framed it that way due to bad comprehension. Collin started this whole thing cause he couldn't handle a mild critique
@@no.1spidey-fan182 Lucas literally said it made the game trash in his life stream, regardless of the intent he's known for using hyperbole and backtracking/denying said claims and the aforementioned muting and interrupting thing.
Anybody who say they not impressed or isnt absolutely foaming at the mouth for this game to release either has no skill proficiency in superhero games or has an xbox
@@eldenlion5850with what starfield? And what more games has come out for the Xbox that u can’t but on a pc, even Microsoft themselves said they failed the console race, please stop fooling urself
"Web Wings doesn't entice me. It doesn't add anything new to me as a player"..........."If you don't care about the game, I don't wanna talk to you." "Thinks a visual detail of leaves flying off of trees when you actually use Insom's brand new mechanic is the actual new mechanic that's never been in a Spider-Man game" Is he stupid?
If you don't like it, don't buy it. Put ur money where ur mouth is, vote with ur wallet. If we just all stop buying these type of BS games, they'll stop making it. Simple.
@eldenlion5850 not entirely I put a good hour into both of their channels and it seems that Colin isn't normally a Manchild however it's Lucas' entire identity to the point I think it's satire
ok, tbh colin had a point Lucas points were so unnecessary really and pointless 🙄 and plus it gets better because Lucas hasn't even played the damn game in the first place 😂 and he's already trashing it 😂 and i do understand that criticism people don't like yes and criticism is in every movie and video game. While i do sorta agree with some points with Lucas that it does feel the same but i do counter that argument by, what do u expect from the web swinging its gonna be the same in the 3 games, i mean in the old days from sam rami spiderman 1 through 3 video games i believe they had the same web swinging mechanic but 3s were a little weird to control
Imma be honest "The one time someone voices concerns or criticism..." nope nope nope. We're not doing that argument. You, me, and everyone else know people have been bashing and slandering this game since the first trailer reveal this year. Yeah Colin shouldn't just let Lucas be sstupid. But Lucas and others have been having opinions that arent great with lots and lots of nitpicking that isn't fair to Insomniac.
poor argument when spider-man as a character has had these things done before it is your job as a current day game to come up with new things and not regurgitate. all you’re doing is defending laziness
Idk from what im seeing lucas won the argument not because his points were valid and beat colins but because everytime colin tries to speak he is interrupted and cut off. Any genuine questions towards lucas are deflected and lucas uses destractions to glaze over certain points. I think criticism is fine but people need to understand that as a sequel this game needs to build on the last, and in that aspect it has
Lucas won the argument by default when Colin left the stream. Even his friends were disappointed in him with doing that. Lucas had some points especially in his first stream video
So we just gonna forget when miles Morales game was so short and practically the same game? but now we asking for too much ? Fr who gets bord playing the Spider-Man 1 nowadays? Yes I agree there should be a little more to make it difficult but I love Spider-Man regardless
Lucas is pushing 40 arguing with teenagers 💀
They came at him bro 💀
@@Sully.. nahh Lucas started it
@@CSY_2How ? Colin made the “response” video to someone stating an his opinion Lucas never called out or came at anyone Colin’s the one who got his feelings hurt and started insulting people over a differing opinion of a video game like a child lmao
@@Sully.. he didn’t insult, Lucas in the video Colin was just stating his opinion about Lucas‘s opinions of the game then Lucas did a stream shit talking his response to his video💀
lucas is a grown ass man pushing like 50 mad about spiderman 2 as if he not going to buy it anyway on top of that he made dumb points then got salty when they was proven wrong the guy hates admitting he's stupid/wrong @@Sully..
Shit like this makes me embarrassed to be a Spider-Man fan tbh
I'm a huge fan but damn sometimes the spiderman Fandom can be really toxic or hypocritical. For example my only complaint is that Eddie won't be in this and everytime I bring up I get told to shut up get over it they are doing something new blah blah blah but then these are the same people who complain about webswing and the black suit , remember when they were bullying insomniac for the raimi suit and let's not forget them roasting the mj face model because apparently she looks old in the sequel and calling the new black suit trash can't touch the ground while swinging etc like for some of these fans it just doesn't stop.
@@adiasdiante1010 IKR!!!!! it feels like if you like or dislike certain things in this fanbase you're instantly public enemy no 1. Like people aren't allowed to like the mcu movies or dislike spectacular etc. or else they're "cringe fake soyboy cucks" or whatever the fuck and its just so mentally draining. Not to mention the rampant racism and refusal to accept anyone who isn't white as a valid spider-man, it just makes me sick.
@@adiasdiante1010 Try always especially since 2018 and it really got worse in the lead up to Spider-man 2.
*Collin trying to talk in a reasonable fashion*
"*COLLINS, COLLINS YOU ARE WRONG*"
*Literally interrupting him trying to talk trying to get everyone to listen to him trying to make sure he's the only one talking*
because he explained his view point and won every point very clearly and collins responses were just short "just like the game bro"
@@zymosan123not true????
Collin got destroyed
This "beef" is just ridiculous. Marvel Spiderman 2 may not be all that to some people, it might not even be GOTY, but tbh, i don't care. Different people have different tastes and expectations of games, and that's perfectly fine. And all that matters is, I'm excited for marvel Spiderman 2 and I'm definitely going to enjoy it.
The game isn’t even out 😭 this shit was too funny
I think Colin made a great example with god of war sequels god of war 1,2,3 have the same gaming mechanics and their all great sequels red dead redemption 1,2 have similar gaming mechanics and are still a great sequel and prequel,people nowadays don’t understand what a sequel is they’re not making a different game.
I remember being in a livestream where Lucas was trying to decide whether or not the new Spider-Man was a good sequel and he came to the conclusion it had all the things that make a good sequel. I guess just thinking of the things they could've done he realized there could've been more
So annoying when people act like you can’t critique the game.
I love Spider-Man ps4 but it birthed so many D-riders that will settle for mediocrity.
You mean the game that isn’t even out yet to actually give criticism on?
@@kdubbss0583Bro these people are never grateful smh
civil war, ps4 and itsv gave birth to the worst spiderman fans ong, it was better without them around
But one problem i have is that the game isnt out yet so theirs not a full ground to critique it yet but what we got to see it looks promising
U got the game all ready how if u critique game u got early copy u lucky man Spider-Man 2 come out next month u got it I'm mad 😂
This is my opinion, but I think there’s a difference between voicing your concerns and calling it out and out bad. Lucas’ gripes were minor, but had he stated it was meh, then I would understand. He just called it bad, with his gripes being more so nitpicky than actual criticism. I disagree on the gameplay not looking impressive, but again that’s my personal opinion. I believe where Colin got misunderstood is where there doesn’t need to be a complete overhaul/reinvention of the wheel for the game to still be good. You get to play as both spidermen, in a bigger map, their own side missions within the new story, new combat, dual takedowns and new traversal mechanics. That’s very solid. Can it improved on ever so slightly? Probably, but that critique should really wait till you’ve actually played the game and come to your conclusions. Colin’s point is that it shouldn’t break your excitement for the game just because one or two things aren’t included that you personally didn’t receive.
i agree with this so much . lucas is honestly nitpicking . he didn’t mention any of the new mechanics nor did he think abt the mechanics we haven’t seen . he thought a leaf trail you get by going fast now is the “next level” stuff he’s looking for … that’s just picking and choosing and then being bias to the info he hasn’t even cared to consider . and the game isn’t even out yet.
All Lucas does is scream and interrupts people i don’t understand why people like him
@@Dachin55555was he rly doin any of that when they were talkin to each other ?😂 neither colin or sk gave valid points n whined
this is nothin new, yall rly watchin what he sayin ? he’s talkin bout integrating gameplay more thats it. ppl made vids bout this n hes the one that gets the heat😂
My guy lucas never said the game was bad he said it will be good but not great because its more or less the same it lacks innovation what new traversal mechanics are you talking about?the only new mechanics are the web wings and the combat is pretty much the same too the abilities are just better versions of the gadgets and how do finishers or the open world change the core mechanics of the game???If you think faster web swinging and new animations change the gameplay then i don't know what to say
I don’t want to be rude or anything, I just want to state my opinion: I do not think Spider-Man 2 PS5 is more of the same. The first gameplay reveal showed off the parrying system, new Symbiote abilities. Miles’ new venom power abilities, new gadgets, and of course, the web wings. In the new gameplay trailer, we saw some new animations of leaving the map screen, new ways to find side missions. Better graphics. New enemies. New air tricks. So yeah, I don’t think it’s more of the same.
It is more of the same honestly, there are no new systems added just additions to existing systems. Webwings are the only thing that is actually 100% new. And more of the same isn't a bad thing btw arkham city is one of the best sequels ever made and it's more of the same from arkham asylum, but it just expands on what that game established.
@@guccistealth3834 I guess you have a point, I still think they added a lot of new stuff still. But yeah.
@@guccistealth3834that is what a sequel should be 👍
I feel like that is what you can apply to any possible sequel. “More of the same” can apply to any continuation. Take John Wick for example. You could really say it’s more of the same, it’s John killing people over and over maybe with some new stylish ways. John wick is still awesome though yk?
@@guccistealth3834I think this more of the same mentality is a joke.
The games are not evolving graphicly and mechanicly as fast as a decade ago lol.
A decade ago in 5 years development and game quality rapidly evolved with significant changes.
Since 2017-2018 to 2023 all the AAA game look the same even a 2018 game can be better looking than a 2023 game lol.
People have to understand tha we not gonna get a big leep in videogames until ps6 and the new xbox comes out and even then you wont realize as much evolution as a 1 or 2 decade ago.
So you cant imagine games that has a laid down receipe to get a new skin lol- yeah they could have made a spiderman sequel that new things but it would have been not a sequel but an another spiderman game lol.
Yeah ngl you may think Colin is too aggressive but Lucas is fr a massive douchebag so I don't really think it's unwarranted.
I do think Colins just absolutely shouldn't have bothered period with this since Lucas absolutely wouldn't let him talk and kept shutting him up and being a smug prick about everything which just got him more irritated.
Cuz y'know, people like that just aren't worth engaging with.
I think you can give valid criticism without 1. Being a nitpicker and 2. Being an asshole to everyone.
So it’s ok when the Arkham games reused (for the most part) the same gameplay mechanics while refining it, but when Insomniacs Spider-Man does the EXACT same thing, some people give ‘em shit for that….hypocrites.
Seriously though, what else is a sequel supposed to do? The first game set in stone a strong foundation for the next 2 games to come.
Yeah, hell some of the criticisms made also don't make that much sense. Insomniac reusing some swinging animations is a bad thing? How come. Does every single thing need to be revamped for a game to be a sequel. As long as mechanics are improved and some new things are introduced, it's suffices as a sequel. It's not a reboot after all.
Did you know that lucas wanted to shut gameheads down just because of those 2 new spiderman 2 suits thats just insane
Colins took The L along with his Bfs😂
Amazing Lucas ain’t sleeping with you lil bro
@@Dachin55555 bro you are under EVERY comment on this vid. Take your own advice😭💀
@@no.1spidey-fan182 And you’re replying to every comment of mine
Ah yes the old these guys are gay for each other I love how mature Lucas is for saying this in his streams
Nah foo Amazing Lucas was settin him up for failure by not even letting him go over the video and he just tryna make it seem like he sum like a bigger person or somethin😭 foo was jus nitpicking like crazy durin his video
It's weird seeing so many complaints about reused assets when Arkham City is like the crown jewel of Batman Arkham games and it still had a big basis from Arkham Asylum. If it's not broke, don't fix it...but it can be better. I feel like all of those questions in relation to Spider-Man 2 will have to be reserved for launch. That's the one thing I agree with Colin on. We just can't tell how peak or lazy things will be until the game is actually played.
We've played it now and the jump wasn't as large as the one we saw from asylum to city to knight.
I really find it funny how a freakin video game can start wars between incel fanboys. I mean this isn't the first time, as we still have kids and grown-ass men bickering over who the best live-action Spider-Man is. I've been a fan of the character my whole life and I love the games, but the fandom is just the worst part of it all. Seriously, ppl need to just grow up and touch some grass.
Agreed this is so childish.
14:43
Straight up Lucas being in bad faith. LoL
7:42 this is a huge point and question from Col. so say insomniac for whatever ask Lucas what can we add to this game to make it better right.
Lucas will still have issue with the game because he has no examples of a game that has a leap from the first to the second and had innovate mechanics from the first game.
And he won’t have that cuz that’s not what sequels are. Sequels are what you take from the first project TAKE THE SAME FORMULA THAT WORKED. Tweak and add a FEW more things. Not a massive leap in everything if that was to be done spiderman 2 would be dropping probably 2026/2027 which is dumb.
Into the spiderverse movie and across the spiderverse movie and essentially the same far as narrative ( becoming your own Spider-Man ) essentially. First is learning to be and the second is not letting anyone tell you what u can and can’t be. Animation improved in Quality SLIGHTLY. But ultimately is the same style with a few tweaks.
Colin was being overly aggressive and Lucas was being condescending and patronizing. Regardless of who's points were right or wrong, these factors kept the argument from progressing and made them both look bad. There needed to be at least one mature person in this debate and there just wasn't, which made picking a side or agreeing with one more than the other much harder to do.
I definitely felt Lucas won that debate, Colins embarrassed himself and definitely didn’t help himself by exiting, even worse was when his friend told him he shouldn’t have left the stream. It’s never a good look when your own allies doubt you.
Lucas won the debate but didn't prove any of his points and was muting and interrupting, already a huge advantage in an argument. And Collin didn't want to debate in the first place until Lucas called him a coward and insulted him on a live stream. And I was watching Collin after he left and played mk1 he honestly didn't care at all.
@@dindoyop7478 Why would Lucas need to prove his points? That burden was upon Colins because he was the one disputing Lucas, and the only reason he got muted was because he was intentionally belligerent. I think he did this on purpose to mask the fact he wasn’t confident in his position, basically condescend your opponent as much as possible to look like you’re winning, and it backfired. And don’t forget Colin’s was the first to insult Lucas in his original reaction video and the stream so of course there was going to be tension.
But Lucas even apologised to him in the beginning of the debate in order to make the discussion as amicable as possible, Collins; knowing this would highlight his intellectual ineptitude, just continued to shout, cuss and scream at Lucas because he knew it was his best chance of “winning” or appearing like he was winning, by either condescending Lucas or winning the moral ground by hopefully getting kicked off the stream. Unfortunately that didn’t work so well because he ended up leaving of his own volition.
@@CombatCinema12 Collin wasn't just shouting and cussing bro that was like 20 seconds worth of him doing that. Jeez these comments love spouting lies and meat ride Lucas because everytime Collin had a decent point Lucas said "no you're wrong" muting him and when unmuted he says let's move on. Lucas has been like this for years according to his fans. And Lucas needs to prove his points because if he doesn't you lose the argument entirely. And him apologizing was empty and meaningless because the second Collin left he went a full minute saying cowardly Collin and stalked his stream after he kicked s.k
@@CombatCinema12 and no Collin made a response and Lucas asked to debate and Collin said there's no point I don't need to explain why my other comment explains it. Lucas then makes a 4 hour stream where the first 20 minutes he insults Collins appearance and just says dumb things to his appeasing audience who'll agree to his every point even when it's racism (I don't think he was racist to Collin but he is to white people) Collin reacted to this stream and I'm pretty sure it led to Collin asking to have the debate on his grounds where there won't be any muting or talking over. And you defend Lucas muting him during an argument is laughable
Goddamn how many dick riders does this man have y'all really saw him interrupt 90% of the time and swear he won 🤦
This is how you don't have a healthy discussion. Each one is biased and they have already made up their mind to shut the other up. No patience or sense of curiosity towards the other's arguments, which they pretty much don't exist. I'm shocked how two grown ass men cannot act like such.
1 grown man and a 19 year old, one was a lot more mature and it doesn't take a genius to know which
@@dindoyop7478 I agree with you. Obviously Lucas held a better composure. Collin got progressively angry from the start. However even though Lucas "won", he didn't approach the situation with genuinity. My opinion at least.
@@dindoyop7478watch the part with S.K. and then try to convince me that Lucas is mature 😐
@@G-starr13 no I meant Colin was more mature lol, Lucas is only mature when someone is agreeing and meat riding
@@dindoyop7478 my bad bro
In the nicest way possible to everyone, it's a sequel, it seems you guys want this entirely different game and something just entirely new, it's a sequel to Spider-Man one, sequel are usually meant to be an improvement to the first which is what Spider-Man 2 did. Everything Lucas was complaining about and how "we've seen this before" yes but we haven't seen it in this fashion, this updated look, the feelings in the controller. Lucas was just being condicending and trying act all cool like he was better and smarter then everyone, Everytime Collin tried to get anything in Lucas would just talk down to him, I get wanting some new things like running on the floor while swinging and stuff, but the web wings are a very drastic change to the game
Tbh this stuff about Spider-Man 2 is bad or good is kinda stupid now like i love the game and i think its gonna be great but these debates are just boring...But when people say they hate it is because its set in New York again thats the only thing that gets to me
People who use game development skills in a debate needs to elaborate on what they’ve done or it’s just bs at that point
Facts. I’m not defending either side. But It was really weird how Lucas questioned Collins experience in the gaming department. Yet when he was questioned all he said was “I do have experience, just trust me bro.” Like idk why he refused to elaborate on that. Makes me think his “experience” is just bs at that point.
@@t.j.1584he could have expanding on it because when Colin said The Swinging was mechanics and Lucas said it wasn't he was starting to expand on why he didn't think it wasn't mechanics but then colin left the stream
@@SlimKim3 bro stop meat riding Lucas it's embarrassing
@@dindoyop7478 I'm not meat writing Lucas in fact in his own video where he's on the stream my comment is actually disagreeing with one of his criticisms in his video. But you wouldn't know anything about that because you're too busy meat riding a teenager who got his panties in a bunch because someone else had criticisms about a game based on only the gameplay that he's seen from it. But I guess kids have to stick with kids.
Don't think someone is meat writing someone just because they're siding with them on a particular incident.
And I'm not your bro
@@SlimKim3 gets upset I assumed you were meat riding (btw you can disagree with someone and still be a meat rider genius) then assumes I meat ride Collin. "you wouldn't know" like bruh I'm not stalking you and btw you contradicted yourself at the end there. Also also, Collin responded to Lucas voicing his opinion, he wasn't even hostile about it. Lucas was the one being hostile but of course you conveniently skipped that part
The only problem I have with Lucas is how he sometimes delivers his statements. Nonetheless, Collins isn't any better. I would even say that Collins gets a more emotional and personal. In terms of arguments and points, I definitely think Lucas is much stronger. I think Spider-Man 2 will be a great game and better than Spider-Man 1, but I find it disappointing how little has changed from part 1. Yes, there are new things but for as how long they took it's rather weak development. Spider-Man game fans will very quickly have their honor insulted if you criticize the game.
About Collin though, Lucas made a stream calling him a coward because Lucas refused to talk on Collins grounds and insulted his looks while proving nothing patting his video on the back. The constant muting and not letting him finish or point or just saying "your argument is wrong no matter what". Though yeah Collin does need to chill a bit
lucas called leaf trails you get from swinging “next level” and what he looks for , there’s been so many new addresses mechanic’s and features that implement into the story to give an all around great experience , building on a foundation they barley had for a bit ? from The First Game To Miles Morales , That’s just a 2 Year Jump , the arkham series had one of the best formulas and held up throughout their series - why cant marvels spider man be seen as that and not being nit picked at bc you cant do small minor mechanics that you may not have gotten ? theirs so much more that’s implemented in the game that’s way different compared to sm1 in this new installment , the more darker tone story , improved combat system with more mechanics , more traversal mechanics , more speed due to it being PS5 exclusive, and features that are implemented into the story elements and set pieces . plus being able to play two different spideys .. and people are still not happy and doubt that much variety will be enough . they need to be able to run on walls while swinging… for it to be game of the year, it’s not enough. right?…..
@@dindoyop7478Chill? The hell are you talking about
@@puffixcn3015Bro Lucas is comparing games like overwatch and saying those games are more innovative lol he’s crazy
@@Dachin55555 like I said, I understand why he got upset and I would've been upset if someone did that to me what he went through but he still lost his cool for a bit. Collin Took an L but already won the debate when Lucas spent 20 minutes of his response Insulting his looks, praising his own video for 2 hours then proved nothing at all.
I find it weird that when lucas talked about the mechanics of the game like loop de loops, he down plays them just because they're in other spiderman games and I think that's weird because most spiderman games feel different to play like spiderman 2 for the ps2 feels different from Web of shadows so doing them in spider man 2 (ps5) is going to feel new and refreshing especially with insomniacs polish. And obviously spiderman is going to do these things like chase missions, he's spiderman, he's not going to drive to venom in the final mission. But over all I get having worries or concerns for the game but people arguing over a game that's not even out yet seems pointless. Plus insomniac isn't just going to change there formula or make crazy changes to there gameplay because its a sequel and not an entirely new game universe
Based opinion and you are the first one i hear that has the similiar thoughts as me.
Facts are incorrect. Colin offered to debate him and Lucas declined. Lucas can criticize all he wants, but if his takes are bad then they are bad
Lucas offered first and collin declined. Then collin offered to debate him on his stream but lucas wanted to do it on his. So you are incorrect bud.
I swear I am convinced some of you Colin fanbois have some kind of 3rd degree dementia 💀💀😂😂. Because I am pretty sure Lucas was the one who offered Colin to debate him on his own channel, but Colin declined.
It’s a freaking VIDEO GAME everyone just needs to grow up
I pray theses stupid debates shut up when the game release
Damn right it was hilarious 😭
Marvel Spider-man 2 is amazing
Meh I love Spider-Man but it’s oké got it in 21hours platinum didn’t feel different a lot same animations
Spiderman 2 is a slog to get through didn't feel anything finishing it the first time and the first game has a better story. I won't go further beyond that.
11:57 A normal Dad and son argument
But honestly I think Lucas won the argument and everyone has a different opinion about something someone is looking forward to. But personally I’m really excited
Muting someone when trying to talk is a based W 😂
I just want to say that I feel like criticism should be welcomed I do agree with that but I feel like there a lot of things Lucas says just is dumb and also want to point out if you think they used the same animations from the first please just look at the new footage again. and also make it clear that I'm not trying argue and don't really want to deal with people trying to argue about game that we know is going to be good, I just want to enjoy it and have fun
Lucas is right though after awhile it's repetitive in gameplay. Lucas did mention ways that the game can improve. It's just constructive criticism at the end pf the day.
Isn't that every game then?
Lucas isn't constructive. Ultimately, for him, it's about elevating himself. The man thinks he can, if assigned 20 people and given money, improve the game dramatically as if A) it isn't a big ask and B) it's that easy. This is something he has said himself. As far as I'm aware, he has no game development history. His examples for improving the game are also, more often than not, antiquated and artificial. He uses games like Sekiro to try and illustrate he's a "true gamer"...I'm a FromSoft fanboy and even I think he's cringe-inducing for his line of thinking. It's a f**king game - not a right of passage. He's literally the NPC you put in games to critique "fans".
also with a recent tweet and announcement, swing steering assist, james stevenson said its the opposite of an accesbility feature, and when turned down to 1, it will be more physics based and challenging, it will be at 10 on default like the previous game, meaning we can get more physics based swinging which is what lucas was mostly wanting lmao.
@@skndsidjd7540it's only when things that can be improved on don't get improved on that something becomes repetitive.
The point in his stream video of how the cutscenes mixed with gameplay only consists of you doing one thing at a time pressing one button over and over which is what he referenced in the chase scene with lizard. I don't mind it because I still think it's great but if you're looking after something that's repetitive that can be considered to be.
Bruh Lucas’ “ problems” with Spider-Man 2 are piss poor. His comparisons he made with Spider-Man 2 to some of the older Spider-Man games are laughable..
he vapes... oh.
One thing I’ll say is Lucas doesn’t seem to have a grasp on sequels in gaming as it always keeps the core gameplay while expanding and making minor changes to better the game ex god of war Arkham games, gta etc… they all have fundamentally the same gameplay across the broad while adding new things on top of that to better the prior experience n Spider-Man 2 does that beautifully
This was entertaining asf😂
Your free to criticize after the game comes out. You can't judge the game based of trailers or demo gameplay. When you play the game fully I'm sure there Will be lots to criticize no game is perfect but that's for after the game has been released and been played
Your answer to everything…..
The Amazing Lucas: Nitpicking
Fans: Toxic
Colin.: Enjoys the game of the year. Spider-Man 2(tries to dismiss The Amazing Lucas nitpicking)
Fans: Calm
To add onto this Colin hasn't told his fans to fucking harass and send ACTUAL DEATH THREATS to Insomniac over a god damn suit
Lucas is toxic as well his fans are toxic and they doing it with each other- its a toxic relationship lol.
Collin is WAAAAY too easy to fluster and starts throwing adhominen attacks and starts CUSSING cause he can't actually express his points😂.
He did the same with SK. This man has a parasocial relationship with this damn game😭. Its actually insane. I've never seen someone this attached to a piece of media that they have to go at EVERYONE who makes even a MILD critique😭💀.
If they can't handle lucas now when he's WAAAY more mild than he use to be...I can't imagine how they would've handled 2018 Lucas cause bro didn't turn down ANY smoke back then💀
Saying slurs and being racist isn't cool and Collin isn't as attached to this situation as you think he is. He was willing to talk to s.k for a good amount of time regardless of the beef.
@@dindoyop7478 Huh? Who said saying Slurs and being racist was cool?💀. And if you think that's a problem with Lucas, I'm gonna tell you right now that Collin doesn't have a problem with that either if you know tue context of his older vids.
And Yh he was willing to talk but Collin still has a bad habit of being HIGHLY antagonistic in his rebuttles which is what starts these beefs to begin with. Like Collin legit started BOTH of them😭. If bro had some level decorum NONE of these beefs would exist🤷♂️
And I'm not refereing to his attachment to THIS situation. I'm referring to the game in general. I get that he likes it but trying to put it above any and everything else is kinda weird💀
@@no.1spidey-fan182 he isn't doing what you're saying he thinks the game is gonna be good and said the bad and ugly points weren't anything that would affect the game at all and are just Lucas's opinions. And you saying "well but Collin said the same thing" he's not a racist but I've heard him say faggot before which isn't that bad compared to Lucas who is a racist and has said that if you're white and disagrees with him you're racist. He also hates white cops and excused black people committing crimes saying it's in the past but will make sure to acknowledge every white guy that breaks the law. Not very mature for a 30 year old with a massive tempter from his mk1 streams. Lucas has the excuse of being young, Lucas doesn't
@@no.1spidey-fan182 "if they can't handle Lucas now when he's way more mild than he used to be" I want to point out how wrong this sentence this is because he's actually a lot more unhinged in the recent years and some old fans on his videos talk about how he's become too political and became a legit liberal racist. And you saying they can't handle when he mutes/talks over during an argument is lame. Sorry my guy but you are very biased towards Lucas I wouldn't say meat riding his comment section are the meat riders
@@dindoyop7478 Lucas straight up said it was his opinion and that it wouldnt affect overall enjoyment of the game. Your first paragraph straight up admits that Collins entire rebuttle vid was POINTLESS😂. Lucas didnt say the game was trash, he praised what he saw and had some nitpicks. I have no idea why Collin made this big deal out of nothing
Jidenna vs. Cal Kestis
Bro the amazingly mid lucas is like a freaking man child 💀. He can't prove any of his points without trying to bringing up, "Innovation". Insomniac has the best innovative ideas out of everyone else who has made a Spiderman game. And why did bro say, " wah wah cowardly colin has left." Like what the hell.
I like that yall are getting on colins for being mad like lucas isn’t PURPOSEFULLY trying to make him mad. Number 1, most of hus response was an attack on colins person rather than a response to his points, to which colin says “the game isn’t out yet, theres nothing to debate” Number 2, lucas then goes on live to watch colin and S K’s stream, tagging them which he knows is going to get colin angry and make him want to debate, but then to goat him on even further he calls him even more names, and his fans go over to colin’s stream to make fun of him, all so colin can come in heated so that Number 3, lucas can spin things to seem more mature by being condescending and just talking with a calmer voice, which is only going to make him MORE angry, and if lucas can just keep spouting out dumb shit, which he has in spades, eventually colin is gonna blow up and leave, and then the people who only cut in the important parts and remove any of the context are going to see one person be explosive and another being calm. I mean thats why he finds the closest scapegoat to kick S K off the debate floor, because hes an actual debater and knows to keep his cool, and even then lucas’ tactics were starting to get under his skin also.
I will say the colin isn’t 100% in the right tho. It often kinda seems like he goes out and picks fights by getting unnecessarily mad at videos that aren’t even that bad in thier points, and also i think he could have at least made a passing sentence about lucas’s good points, because psychologically it makes it feel like lucas just made a hate video, even if its shown that there is a good side.
Spider-man 2 will be great, but everything have criticisms.
story and visually yes, gameplay maybe, nun new but the game runnin smoother
@@humanspider37I just finished spiderman remastered yesterday and looking at this one I have to say the game looks a lot different, new animation, new physics, physics settings confirmed by insomniac and the web swinging physics, web wings, new symbiote combat, two spiderman, a addition to the map, way more suits with different color variations, new combat features including health bars on bosses and a counter system, better graphics, faster swinging, and of course a new story with potentially a lot more stuff we haven't seen..... so yeah the game is pretty much different
web swinging physics was a great setting they announced, and lucas was saying on and on about how there wont be more physics based swinging and how insomniac is making a game for dummies and babies and thats one of the biggest things he was complaining about and insomniac put this feature making him look like an idiot lol. @@ETGamer-yl6dm
5 months later & Lucas is a man of his word....he's actually making a spider-man type game
Haven't gotten too far into the video, but I do want talk about something from the beginning. I agree that the stealth hasn't been really addressed outside showing the new web lines, but I don't agree about the web swinging. Using your example of Arkham City, that game's base mechanics are largely the same and just expanded upon what was set up in Asylum.
I have no issue with you being unimpressed with the recent gameplay, but I don't see the problem with reused animations especially with the new ones in there for Peter (Miles fits more in this case imo). The Arkham games are not exempt from the usage of old animations, but I think people excuse it because they aren't paying attention or the game is just moving fast.
What about dual take downs?
@@therevival4433 In regards to Spider-Man or Arkham? If Arkham, that wasn't added until Knight, but I would say that it is a good addition to the game and was used in the right amount. If you were talking about Spider-Man, then I kinda feel the same way as I do with Arkham, but I still need to see the full extent of the feature.
@@QTRemnant Spider-Man2
@@therevival4433 Ok then. Like I said, I think dual takedowns are a great addition here even if it's used sparingly which is probably for the best. It is a little less limited than Arkham Knight, but it's within character/makes sense for the story to do it like this.
@@QTRemnant ok then we’re on the same page that’s good to know.
I think peoples' expectations for games are pretty wild, like if you expect a sequel to have basically no/minimal reused assets just cuz "technology is better" that's wild as fuck to me.
The game was trash
I found this funny too. And why can't we simply wait for it to come out? It's truly absurd.
Collins is fundamental incorrect. Just because you think something is of the highest standard available, that doesn't mean you consider it the highest standard that is possible. 10/10 is the ideal score, and while some people may rate something that high, others may not. My favorite game ever may only get a 9/10 rating out of me, but just because it's my favorite game doesn't mean that I think it's perfect.
It really makes me sad that this is what Spider-Man fans are look I get it people don't need to like this game but we also got to preciate that they are no cosmetics things they have to buy in game you can play this game with nothing to worry about a battle pass nothing look at Marvel Avengers
Team Colin
One thing I've noticed is the amazing lucas and his fans claim to be mature adults and collin&friends and immature 8 year olds yet none of the collins fans joined his stream and spammed comments but the mature lucas fans kept coming to back and did. And the comment section on collins streams are understanding and pointing out the hypocrisy between both partries and most of Lucas's comments are just insulting collin and his looks and meat riding lucas saying he destroyed him.
Fax
Collins fans are blatantly lying in the comment section and moving the goalpost to bring up pst events about the raimi suit, while blowing Lucas' arguement out of proportion to just make him look like some "villain". Its frankly SAD
Lucas never said the game was bad but Collin framed it that way due to bad comprehension. Collin started this whole thing cause he couldn't handle a mild critique
@@no.1spidey-fan182 you say Collin took it out of context while taking Collin out of context and putting Lucas on the moral high ground.
@@no.1spidey-fan182 Lucas literally said it made the game trash in his life stream, regardless of the intent he's known for using hyperbole and backtracking/denying said claims and the aforementioned muting and interrupting thing.
@@no.1spidey-fan182Colin never said Lucas said it was bad. He made a video addressing his nitpicks in the BAD category of his video.
Anybody who say they not impressed or isnt absolutely foaming at the mouth for this game to release either has no skill proficiency in superhero games or has an xbox
Dude game not out Xbox fan 😂
@@beastking-zk1yk nigga I got that shit pre-ordered on my digital edition ps5 lmao
Ironic how Xbox is thriving now while your precious Sony is burning down faster than a wax candle
@@eldenlion5850with what starfield? And what more games has come out for the Xbox that u can’t but on a pc, even Microsoft themselves said they failed the console race, please stop fooling urself
"Web Wings doesn't entice me. It doesn't add anything new to me as a player"..........."If you don't care about the game, I don't wanna talk to you."
"Thinks a visual detail of leaves flying off of trees when you actually use Insom's brand new mechanic is the actual new mechanic that's never been in a Spider-Man game"
Is he stupid?
If you don't like it, don't buy it. Put ur money where ur mouth is, vote with ur wallet. If we just all stop buying these type of BS games, they'll stop making it. Simple.
You have a massive clear misunderstanding with the 10/10 point that was made and fail to point out many flaws with Lucas and a few with colin
They're both giant manchildren there's not much difference between them
@eldenlion5850 not entirely I put a good hour into both of their channels and it seems that Colin isn't normally a Manchild however it's Lucas' entire identity to the point I think it's satire
ok, tbh colin had a point Lucas points were so unnecessary really and pointless 🙄 and plus it gets better because Lucas hasn't even played the damn game in the first place 😂 and he's already trashing it 😂 and i do understand that criticism people don't like yes and criticism is in every movie and video game. While i do sorta agree with some points with Lucas that it does feel the same but i do counter that argument by, what do u expect from the web swinging its gonna be the same in the 3 games, i mean in the old days from sam rami spiderman 1 through 3 video games i believe they had the same web swinging mechanic but 3s were a little weird to control
RDR2 10/10
Imma be honest "The one time someone voices concerns or criticism..." nope nope nope. We're not doing that argument. You, me, and everyone else know people have been bashing and slandering this game since the first trailer reveal this year. Yeah Colin shouldn't just let Lucas be sstupid. But Lucas and others have been having opinions that arent great with lots and lots of nitpicking that isn't fair to Insomniac.
It's even worse cause he's pulling the race card now it's embarrassing
When lucas says there are new mechanics...like i mean they are new cause its new to the insomniacs take on Spider-Man
poor argument when spider-man as a character has had these things done before it is your job as a current day game to come up with new things and not regurgitate. all you’re doing is defending laziness
That's not an actual argument bruh.
@@talentroller4413that’s not how that works, it isn’t their job to fucking reinvent the wheel bro💀💀don’t be stupid
@@talentroller4413ITS A FUCKING SEQUAL NOT A NEW GAME. A
Spiderman 2 (ps2, 2004) did literally everything better than Insomniac
Idk from what im seeing lucas won the argument not because his points were valid and beat colins but because everytime colin tries to speak he is interrupted and cut off. Any genuine questions towards lucas are deflected and lucas uses destractions to glaze over certain points. I think criticism is fine but people need to understand that as a sequel this game needs to build on the last, and in that aspect it has
Lucas won the argument by default when Colin left the stream. Even his friends were disappointed in him with doing that. Lucas had some points especially in his first stream video
@@SlimKim3 saying "we need innovation" isn't a good point. That's like saying "we need the food to tatse good" then act like you deserve a noble prize
Yeah, I’m with Colin and S.K. on this one. Lucas barely had any good points and his response video was shit.
So we just gonna forget when miles Morales game was so short and practically the same game? but now we asking for too much ? Fr who gets bord playing the Spider-Man 1 nowadays? Yes I agree there should be a little more to make it difficult but I love Spider-Man regardless
another soy boy who follows the amazing doofus
Spiderman is already top 5 PlayStation preorder sales all time, thats a researchable fact, PREORDER... mfs is tweaked this goy
My issue with Lucas is he acts as if he’s played the game especially in his recent video.