This is like everything wrong with online film critique. “Fictional characters must be perfect 24/7 and always make perfectly calm and rational decisions all the time”
They also complain about the lack of realism, then condemn characters for not being logical 24/7. The irony is that no human alive is even remotely capable of being logical at all times. So the one area of realism that exists in storytelling is the thing they hate the most. This is why I struggle to take followers of rationalism seriously. Their logic is too rooted in survival instincts to be considered unbiased.
It'd literally just be echoing all the adaptations where Peter (either verbally or internally) puts words to his feelings about taking responsibility for Uncle Ben's death. *cough cough* 2017 *cough cough*
I can just imagine how he’d word it “Peter, what the fuck are you doing? The guy is getting away and you have super strength! I get that he just got snubbed out of pay, but you do realize that if that guy gets away with the money then you’re definitely not getting paid. Also, I’m sure your employer would’ve been more than happy to pay you more money for stopping the criminal who robbed him. And that’s not even to mention that he is risking civilian casualties by letting an armed criminal get away. Peter Parker has been utterly character assassinated”
There's also, "I can't believe a some random 15 year old who got superpowers 3 months ago by random chance isn't a seasoned veteran superhero who can execute every action perfectly"
Most of SK's arguments can be disproven with a single fact: Peter's been Spider-Man for three months and has dealt with low crime only. Not supervillains, nor organized crime. Just petty crooks and saving people. And most of the problems he deals with goes back it, because it's his first time dealing with them. How would a fifteen years old kid know he could ask to be anonymous when working with a newspaper for the _first time in his life._ It's one of the things that makes this Peter Parker so great to me: he's the most relatable take on the character thus far for any teen/young adult. He treats him like a veteran Spider-Man who should have all the answers and experience, that shouldn't under any circumstance fuck up, when he naturally wouldn't have such. Not to mention that it's still a Saturday morning cartoon. Yet, he seems to be asking it to be like Batman V Superman levels of "depth" and "introspection" (more accurately pretentiousness).
Hell, the showrunners referred to the premise of the show as "The education of Peter Parker" and for a very good reason. The entire point of the series is Peter growing up to become a better hero and person as a whole. Too bad we never saw that fully-realized Spider-Man.
Exactly. S.K has so many criticisms with Spectacular Spider-Man saying things like “Why didn’t Peter do this a certain way” or “Why didn’t Peter just do this instead so he wouldn’t have to worry about this”. He seemingly forgets that’d not only is this a first year Spider-Man, but he’s also a human being that makes mistakes, and for him to achieve something successfully in a perfect way every time, would just be bad writing.
"I hate that Peter randomly decides to call Aunt May" Dude has less attention span than a fucking toddler. Literally says in the show she set a 10PM Curfew for Peter and he has to call if he runs late.
@@JohnDanielRay1 Username checks out. Peter wouldn't want to do that, because he actually cares for Aunt May. And, again, he's 16, and early SpiderMan. He can fuck up.
I'm tired of channels calling everything a 'disaster' when they criticize something. Like, this series got a second season (far from a given in the world of TV), was critically successful and created a cult fanbase. We're still talking about it, over a decade and a half later. It wasn't a massive hit or anything, and it did get cancelled, but none of that strikes me as particularly disastrous. People just cheapen the word by overusing it. Soon enough disaster will just mean 'bad', and then it'll mean nothing at all. Anyway, ignore the rant. I really liked the video.
hell, the reason it DID get cancelled was completely out of the control of the shows reception as spider man was becoming a rights nightmare with the show rights going to disney during its run and killing the show
You know, if I had a nickel for every time SK made a bad video about the Spiderman franchise, I'd have 2 nickels, which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice.
@nobodyspecial4676 leafy is here is a funny and dumb name. It's only unfunny because the same joke has been repeated 10,000 times. That said, my name doesn't explicitly say I find leafy is here funny, it says I find it dumb. You're butthurt and can't think of a decent comeback
is it because he's giving more logical decisions about what a character should do instead of what actually happened? Is that what registers as sounding like a child now?
@@TheLowBlow No, I'm saying that there is a certain demographic this show is aimed at, so it can't get away with things that more grown up shows could. For example, you can't show a character bleeding or stabbed and stuff like that without bumping up the age rating. C'mon man, use that stupid brain of yours instead of blindly following S.K.
As for Peter always answering May on the phone, he probably doesn’t want May to worry too much and have a heart attack or something and die. She’s an old lady.
It's in character for Peter to always put Aunt May first. In the Stan Lee/Ditko run, he even ducks out of a fight with Green Goblin because he got news that Aunt May had been taken to the hospital.
One thing you didn't mention about Curt becoming Lizard is what I think both of you have actually missed. In the Electro episode, it's explicitly highlighted how Electro shoots Curt's container which has the lizard dna and in the Lizard episode, when he injects it, it's shown to sparkle electricity. So perhaps Curt DIDN'T MAKE A MISTAKE and he was genuinely onto something with his research, but due to Electro's powers messing up the formula, he transformed into a giant monster and due to that trauma, Curt never wanted to experiment with that ever again. I always found that to be one of the most subtly brilliant parts about that episode so just wanted to mention it.
damn, i never noticed that, thats a cool idea but honestly i think the lizard stuff in the ep works either way, and maybe a little better if its entirely Conners´ fault, like either because he simply didnt want to wait to test the formula more, or wanted to see the results of his efforts faster so he could show his investors that he´s made a breakthrough to secure their continued funding, cuz i remember that being a somewhat important part of his motivation, sort of like Otto in the ps4 game
Of course SK made a video saying Spectacular was overrated, between this show and the PS4 game, he seems to hate perfect adaptations of Spider-man. Edit: I accidentally started a gang war because of one word.
@@giormelgar8113So what if they aren't perfect? Just because something has flaws doesn't mean it isn't good. Take the first six (and ONLY six) Star Wars movies. Do they have flaws? Sure! But they are still good movies (despite what some fans say...)
I always just assumed that Vulture decided not to conceal his face when he abducted Norman. Since his goal is to make Norman give him credit for things. His identity would be pretty obvious in retrospect if Norman did what he wanted, so what's the point in disguising himself? Always thought the idea was that he's so upset about having his ideas stolen that he's willing to get thrown in prison to get the credit he deserves.
Yeah, concealing his identity would defeat his own purpose and just lead to criticism of his methods in a different direction. “I am the Vulture, and I have come for you, Osborn! You must confess to stealing Adrian Toomes’ Tech-Flight invention!” “Says the winged man whose body hums when he flies. If you’re not Toomes, are you sure you don’t have some apologizing to do yourself?” “Uh…yes, well… SILENCE!”
@@ILikeSoda229 he streamed the other day and I asked if the spectacular spm tv series is the best spm series and he said yes it is so idk his standards either.
SK feels like a type of person I've met a lot before. That person that when sees something slightly wrong done by someone, gets overly mad about it, calling it out for it being stupid or dumb, often to something that isn't even wrongful or that bad in the first place, while also not being a very intelligent person themselves. Then oftens suggest "better solutions" for what they're overly critizing, which turn out to always just be way worse than what they're trying to "fix", and just end up overly complicating or fumbling what didn't even needed fixing in the first place.
What he's criticizing aren't slightly wrong decisions. Explain how his suggestions are worse, because Lizard trying to stab Spider-Man isn't overly complicating. Across The Spiderverse literally does this in Gwen's flashback sequence when Lizard tries to bite her but she blocks it.
@@JohnDanielRay1 Such a suspicious comment I had to click your profile and see your other comments in this video. Your username suits! I see what you're doing now. EDIT: THEY DELETED THEIR COMMENT LOL. For context, I was replying to somebidy cronically defending SK.
Kinda sounds like a backseat gamer. Yk, these people who sit behind you, while you play a game and always tell you, what they think, you should have done.
In every video I've seen in regards to S.K., he's so hyper fixated on realism and things happening in a realistic way… in a franchise that's about a superhero, who's powers are that of being a spider, while he fights villain's that go by Doctor Octopus, Sandman, Green Goblin, Rhino, Electro, The Vulture, and as of recently thanks to Spider-Verse, The Spot. Not only does he fight those guys all of the time, but he does so in a bright red and blue costume, and because of his powers, he calls himself Spider-Man. Not only does he expect things to be realistic, which it already isn't because a story about a kid who calls himself Spider-Man, but then he expects these characters to always act 100% rational and logical. Forgetting that human's in real life don't always think logically or rationally. That's why Vulture is great in this show, because we're watching an old man who's gone insane and is using his invention to cause harm. Realistically, no insane person is gonna think rationally or logically. So seeing how far he's willing to go for his vengeance is entertaining because we know that eventually, Spider-Man is gonna come and save the day.
There is something called "in universe logic" kid, stop acting like fiction doesn't have rules or limitations, if fiction breaks rules that they clearly establish then that's literally valid criticism 💀
@@whateverkat8122 have you even watched his videos? edit:nvm, I just read your other comments, it's quite apparent that you believe his "criticisms" to be correct
The point of the scene at the end of the Lizard episode is that Peter is mad at HIMSELF for his choices and the consequences they've had. He isn't mad at his friends and the Connors, his speech never blames them. It blames himself. Spider-Man. It's part of the duality. Stripping Peter of his choices and turning them all into good choices ruins everything. He's mad at what being Spider-Man means for Peter Parker's life and then comes to the conclusion that it doesn't matter. Spider-Man can't fix his social problems, Spider-Man might not be loved by all, but Spidey saved people and that's all that matters. It is a scene that very much feels earned after Peter's social life has been negatively impacted throughout the series up to that point. It was the perfect ending to the show's first arc, encapsulating 4 episodes of character building. I can not understand how anyone could misunderstand that scene as hard as SK does. It is a scene that perfectly represents Spider-Man's character. That no matter who hates him, what friend he loses, what mistake he makes Spidey stays because Spidey is needed.
The show acts like he was scrutinized for doing the right thing when in reality he could have saved the day without those consequences taking place. You didn't engage with the point at all.
Bro thinks vulture not wearing a mask is a irrational thing as if wearing a vulture suit and doing that was a very rational thing in the first place It just showed how revenge and anger consumed him
The problem with SK began back when he used to post his plot holes and rants back on Instagram until he deleted them. SK was aggressive towards many (not all) people he debated against, such as nitpicking their comments with spelling errors or just flat out insulted them. It's not to say he hasn't made good points, but it's difficult to get passed his insolent behavior, especially when he's always on ten.
@@JohnDanielRay1 How so? While I can admit there were times SK was diplomatic and listened to people with opposing views, it still doesn't take away that many of his debates consisted of him being aggressive. His videos were better than his Instagram posts by miles, as he was able to get his points across thoroughly and didn't introduce people to his aggressive debate style, which can turn people away from his opinions which tends to be objective. I'm not including his live streams SK had with people as I haven't watched many of them, and when I did, he appeared calmer and cheerful.
@@katz7609 Do you have any references? Cuz I'd like to see them. SK wouldn't insult anyone unless they did something wrong, now come up with a real argument or shut up.
@@JohnDanielRay1 No, I do not. SK's previous posts of plot holes were deleted, all I can state is that he questioned movies such as Endgame, Thor being unworthy of mjolnir, all the Spider-Man movies, defended Kirsten dunst's MJ saying her actions were not plotholes. I do not blame you for questioning my comment, as there is no evidence since they were deleted. I frequently commented on his own posts and debated against and with him on many occasions, so I've seen how the guy can get critical of others both needlessly and rightfully. You can either take my word or call me a liar. I know I'm telling the truth but an outsider would question the validity of my comment, rightfully so.
The point about Vulture and the helicopter is honestly kinda stupid. Helicopters can be safely landed in case of a tail rotor malfunction. That is pretty common knowledge in regards to helicopters. And someone like Spidey would've absolutely known that, which is why he wasn't too concerned with it. And clearly Spidey did have a plan what to do once Vulture's flight tech failed. It's why Spidey sat on Toomes with his legs crossed around Vulture's stomach.
Yeah I don’t know why he made such a big deal with that. Montana is obviously a very skilled pilot since he kept up with Spider-Man the entire time, he obviously knows what to do if something like this would happen. Besides even if he wasn’t a good pilot, a tail rotor of a heli not functioning isn’t the end of the world. You can still land your helicopter successfully without it working, albeit just harder since it’ll be harder to turn it around. This isn’t GTA.
Honestly, it just seemed like he wanted something to bitch about and deliberately manipulated the scene, trying to make it look worse than it really is and is cutting context.
@RayTheomo Except the entire Emperor’s New Groove CinemaSins video when it’s nothing but wrong. Because everyone knows that movie is a work of art, every single second.
SK’s video proves just how great Spectacular Spider-Man is. The aspect about the show that he hates the most is that Peter is flawed and makes mistakes all the time. That says it all.
Isn't it crazy how we could just handwave every dumb decision a character makes when they have no business making that decision in the first place as "he made a mistake" yeh a super genius who studies science thought freezing a alien from space would work, yeh definitely just a "mistake" on his part 💀
My brother in Ra 100% lost me when he "critiqued" Lizard not stabbing Spider-Man and saying that Spider-Man has plot armor for surviving. Sorry I can't finish this video, I already had to tap out when he was saying Episode 1 was a disaster for relatively small junk, but you did good debunking him, mate.
sk finds issues with small things that dont really even mess up the plot which arent even valid points and then is like "3/10 no spiderman being the perfect human being without anything going wrong in his thought process which can be interperated a bad way"
@@crazybl1tz88 "Critics" like him are the reason we have people like the people writing the new Peter Pan movie and saying "Where does the glow on Tinkerbell come from" and its just things you shouldn't think about too much on, not because its a turn your brain off situation, but because genuinely nobody cares about these things that you're overblowing into being some sort of crime against your favorite deity. CinemaSins has ruined a generation of critics by thinking small innocuous things matter in a movie despite said errors lasting like a full second at most.
With his Spectacular and PS4 videos, I think SK's never actually read a Spider-Man comic, just seen all the various differing films and thus thinks he knows everything he needs to.
Peter setting up his camera isnt even character assassination. He does it all the damn time in the original comics lol. He might be a superhero, but he is also a young man with many responsibilities and obligations to friends, family, etc. Keeping all of these things in mind while also trying (and often struggling) to find a way to balance them alongside his crime-fighting life is what makes Spider-man such a relatable and beloved character.
Sk wants relaism in fights Yet liked Into and across the spiderverse Where 6 Spidermen aren't able to defeat a normal human ( kingpin) easily Yet he has no problem with miles escaping literally 100 spider-man and no one able to catch him ,even the experienced one Yet he likes the batman where no thug ever tried to shoot at his chin Yet he likes daredevil where a blind man defeats and whole gang who had guns and daredevil didn't even have a bullet proof suit lmao The hypocrisy
yeah he said no way home had way more plot armor than other films which i dont get. Mile outran tons and tons of spideys and non of the spideys had spidey sense
@@dylansharp8471 I am only talking about his hypocrisy Not about spiderverse Tho I do have a problem with with spiderverse but its not this I have a video on my problems with across the spiderverse Here I wast just pointing out his hypocrisy
Y'know I actually think SK might only be making these for clout. Think about it, they're two hour long rants about things that will get a lot of attention, it's a perfect plan ro get known.
especially since they seem to be very similar in style to another(imo much better) critique of a superhero tv show that focused heavily on scrutinising the action scenes
Yeah, I saw someone else do something similar within the realm of PlayStation games (Spider-Man 2018 included) whilst proclaiming themselves “the God of TH-cam”. These guys need to find more constructive hobbies.
@@Pihsrosnec yeh apparently he's making these for clout but when he goes in depth he's using things that litterally happened in the show 😂 I guess by that logic these movie and show producers just want clout and money huh?
I think the comments on MCU spiderman having little to no consequences feels like the kind of thing HiTop films would say, rewatching MCU spiderman films like homecoming show a lot more consequences than just one scene.
Does SK know what character assassination actually is? Peters actions in the first episode would have only been character assassination if either he failed, or it was portrayed he was being reckless. The writers control the outcome. He wasn’t going to kill anyone. He didn’t threaten to kill anyone. He had total control of the situation. Vulture was in no danger of dying. And I’m sure if the writers wanted to make a set piece for Peter to catch a helicopter they could. He does later in the series so he’s more than capable. What sheer nonsense.
His point still stands though, if the helicopter didn't land perfectly on the top of a bulding he would have to choose between letting Vulture fall to his death or letting the helicopter crash on a *highly populated city*
@@MetalHopper nah, you think Peter couldn’t easily web Vulture to a wall before going to catch the helicopter. He effortlessly saved Vulture in that moment, and we’ve seen him multitask in the series plenty of times. There is a possibility things could go wrong, but that wasn’t the intention of the scene and it isn’t what happened. Montana safely landed the helicopter without incident. Peters biggest goof in that whole moment was letting the Enforcers get away, but frankly that is such a Spider-Man thing to happen. He can’t solve everything.
@@MetalHopper They also bring back the helicoptor thing in the last episode of the series to show that Peter has learned since that fight because he saves the helipcoptor. But you decided not to notice that because it doesn't fit your defense of SK.
It doesn't matter if he failed or was being portrayed as reckless because he still risked potentially a shit ton of lives, and it doesn't matter what the writers intended because the implications are still there. He was by letting the helicopter crash, doesn't matter if he watched where it was going or not because he would still be delaying himself. He wasn't in control of that situation. You're right, they were capable but chose not to for some reason. What a sheerly nonsensical defense.
Hey man I just wanted to say I really enjoyed this video. It was a phenomenally good critique and you often brought up points that were exactly what I said to my friend about SK's video. I know you have a small channel and probably not much motivation in the TH-cam scene but keep up the good work and I know your channel will take off someday
@@guccistealth3834 It was a great video. Although your a small chanel and I've never heard of you before, the video popped up on my top suggestions. So, I'd assume it'd be the same for most people who watched that video.
@@guccistealth3834one thing that i disagree with you is not Electros origin but how he became electro.... the guy just saw that the drill was electrified but he still decided to touch it... it would've been believable if he wasn't stupidly looking at it and guessed where it was and tried to grab it
@@TheLowBlow He lied plenty of times to further his point and no, he I bet he _couldn’t_ go in-depth as of to why this show is bad if his life depended on it. I guess it doesn’t matter anyway, no point in arguing with someone who can’t even use common sense to tell that a show like this is more than good.
@@ILikeSoda229 did he lie about Spider-Man almost letting a helicopter crash happen? 💀 I don't remember him lying about that, did he lie about The Villians not stabbing Spider-Man when they had the chance like the Lizard or Sandman situation? No, did he lie about Peter prioritizing a good camera angle instead of immobilizing Lizard? No, I can go on and on but there's no point in arguing with a Spider-Man fanboy who can't take criticism about the show he likes 😂
I think the thing that’s so dumb about S.K.’s argument is that he expects Peter’s characterization to always be perfectly moral and upright when Peter was kind of a jerk in the early days of the comics.
Peter values peoples lives in the show. Yet he caused a helicopter crash and took down a building that could easily kill people for no reason. Shut up.
Spider-Man was a *incel* who was struggling trying to the good thing. Which is something not a lot of people don’t understand Peter wasn’t a good person before getting bitten. Even after getting bitten he still acted like jerk sometimes but he was still trying to be better.
24:57 I know it happens for plot reasons, but the way they treat Peter in this episode kind of rubbed me the wrong way, even when I was younger. They know he's dirt poor, and the lab doesn't pay him. He's desperate, that doesn't make him an asshole. He's looking out for Aunt May. Of course it all would have been fine if he just went uncredited in the paper though, smh.
@@FazeRustyNuts Dude, some of us want to do things but don't have the means to at the moment. I want to make videos, but I don't have the neccessary equioment yet.
@illuminoubshellSpider-Man: *breaks his no kill rule or in this case let's a helicopter fall to it's doom* Spider-Man fanboys: "suspend your disbelief" "it's fiction"
@@TheLowBlow Helicopters don't fall like a rock when the tail rotor gets taken down, you still can maintain control of the vechile enough to land it safely, which is what happens in the show. Pay some attention.
@@TheLowBlow UHH, do you not know how helicopters work? if the tail rooter is taken out, you have manual control and can safely land the plane. That's literally how they work in real life. SK supporters when they see something that is realistic: That makes no sense! This isn't realistic! Everyone else: Actually, it is.
@@TheLowBlow Actually, both times SK 'debunked' those arguments, all he did was whine and complain about what they said to him, lmao. His 'debunks' of the debunks, just proved them right, because he never once had a good defense nor debunk of what they were saying.
I love how sk claims to be a huge spider-man fan doesn’t realize that over half of his nitpicks in every one of his spider-man videos are debunked by peter’s spider sense. In just video alone we have: 5:36 - peter’s spider sense alerts him to threats to his identity. This is why there’s never been an instance where he takes off his mask and some random person sees him key word being random, his spider sense doesn’t work on people he doesn’t view as a threat like aunt may at the end of homecoming and the Peter tingle scene in far from home. The point is his spider sense would alert him if he was at risk of being seen. 10:41 - Spider-Man’s spider sense also alerts him to any potential threats, meaning he would’ve known if damaging the helicopter or vulture’s wings would’ve resulted in anyone getting injured. 21:37 - again, if Peter taking the time to set up the camera would’ve resulted in Eddie getting hurt, then his spider sense would’ve gone off meaning he did nothing wrong by setting up the camera in that moment sense he knew doing so wouldn’t have put Eddie in danger All of his videos are riddled with these mistakes which is normally fine but if you’re gonna take over 10 hours of your life nitpicking every iteration of a fictional character, at least understand how their powers work.
Then wear a fucking suit, what he did was still risky because even if his spider sense warns him, there's a risk he could be seen that he doesn't need to take. I don't care about the mcu, it's a different continuity. This defense could never even be used as an adaptation argument because Peter's spider sense went off when his aunt may was coming to his room. Just because the spider sense didn't accurately predict danger doesn't mean it wasn't a risk. AGAIN, JUST BECAUSE HIS SPIDER SENSE DIDN'T ACCURATELY PREDICT DANGER DOESN'T MEAN IT WASN'T A RISK YOU IDIOT.
@@TheLowBlow I can pull several instances from the comics where Peter's Spider-Sense operates like that, but I'm sure you'll come up with some excuse to disregard it.
In defence of the shoe thing, Peter takes his shoes off to cling to walls, I assume his costume Boots are closer to socks than actual shoes. The only criticism really is he could have hid them, but would he be thinking about that then and there?
Everytime I hear SK try to "fix" a villains plan it makes me roll my eyes. His fixation on realism with no suspension of belief is boring and I feel like I'm losing brain cells the longer I hear him talk. I bet he's fun at parties.
@@TheLowBlow Kid, there are things you have to accept can't hapen in real life in the Marvel and DC universe. God forbid, you actaully watch anything good known to man.
@@TillmanStudios there is some called "in universe logic" since you Spider-Man fanboys have no idea what that means I suggest you go look it up then come back and try to make this cop out argument again.
22:18 - 24:24 Literally the whole point of the end of the episode is Peter realizing he’s being a crappy friend. He is essentially blacklisted from ever returning to the Connors lab, Eddie hates him and Martha Connors makes it clear she wants nothing to do with him after he chose to cash in on photos of Curt as the Lizard. His actions have consequences that affects his relationships with others. He almost chooses to give up being Spider-Man because of this whole incident until he’s reminded of the good that came out of this: curing Curt and making sure Billy still had his father. He learns to be better and grow as a person through this experience.
@@TheLowBlow You are aware of how vapid those critiques are, right? I guarantee, there's not a single superhero piece of media where the villain wasn't *this* close to murder the protagonist, the reason they don't is because then it wouldn't be interesting, would it? They don't survive the inevitable because they are main characters, they are protagonists because they survive the inevitable. It's a trash critique, there's not a single superhero thing ever that doesn't have that "well villain COULD'VE easily won here" moment, duh, that's to establish that the villain isn't to be fucked around with, but you aren't going to kill off your protagonist. I suppose I just value good storytelling, characters, development etc. over a show about superheroes being "realistic"
SK disliking two of what are regarded by many as the best Spider-Man adaptations just seems like it’s for clicks. I mean it might not be if he genuinely doesn’t like them then that’s fine but it just seems oddly coincidental.
Another thing about his claim with the lizard. If the new york police got a call about a "giant lizard running through the city", in reality, the police would most likely treat it as a prank call of some sort and would most likely dismiss it
It was literally all over the news, just like doc ock being able to casually free roam around without police attention in Spider-Man 2 even though they already know he's real, stop with the awful excuses
@TheLowBlow I'm referring to a situation similar to tasm 1 where Peter tells captain Stacy in person about dr. Connors and even before Peter told him, the pd had gotten calls about the lizard. Stacy was just in denial and wasn't beliv9ng the calls. And continued to do so until lizard almost turn the entire city until lizards.
I feel like something that was a bit dumb that SK never talked about was that fact that Peter was saying Aunt May’s name while Electro was very close. What if Electro had thought “Hey, doesn’t that one kid I work with have an Aunt May?”
Probably couldn't hear through all the commotion, see that would be a nitpick, everything else he said is not even close to being a nitpick people just love to use that as a cop out to avoid criticism
Actually a little correction on that Homecoming nitpick. Peter does suffer because of him abandoning Liz’s party and the decathlon. When Liz mentions that Peter is always disappearing and mentions these occasions on the drive to the prom. This allows the Vulture to figure out Peter’s identity. So Peter may originally just suffered a little bit of his social status at school at first. But in the long run it came back to bite him even harder. Peter going off to stop Vulture’s operations both times and abandoning Liz caused Vulture to find out his identity. Just wanted to point that out
I think that what S.K. missed is that Peter’s life is EQUIVALENT to Spider-Man in terms of importance. A lot of the arguments come down to the action, which is usually small things that most people look over. What matters is the characterization. If I saw a super hero movie that was nonstop 2hrs of suspenseful, top notch action sequences, I would give it a Meh score, because I wouldn’t care enough about the people involved to really care. It’s the characters that give these scenes substance. If the substance is handled really well, then the small errors are easy to glance over.
Bros a madvocate clone except madvocate usually has a point whenever he calls something out. Plus he doesnt really take Valid criticism as hate, he can realize some mistakes while still pointing out faulty arguements
I know this is anecdotal but every time the "Spider-Man sticks something or himself to a ceiling and everyone looses peripheral vision thing" comes up I think about the time I went to a house and there was a massive hole in the ceiling of the front living room and I didn't notice until I was about to leave. And I was there for a good hour or something. Not really and argument just a funny story.
Most people are a bit surprised when they realize just how often we don’t look up in real life. It’s similar to the ratio of how often you jump in video games as opposed to life.
I'm reminded of I think in one of the Spiderman 1 games forgot which one where the tutorial voice comments on how much the Average New Yorker doesn't look up
I gotta disagree with you on that last part of the video about how mcu Spider-Man doesn’t suffer consequences, when in homecoming like u stated how he quit the team and then came back but literally later in that scene he leaves in the middle of the night to stop the vulture and gets knocked out and trapped inside of a locked vault. Which in turns makes him miss the contest for his team. Which then makes everyone mad at him and then since him and Ned had a whole alien bomb in Ned’s bag it exploded in dc which then puts his friends in danger having spider man to rush from the vault to dc to save his friends. And for far from home well the consequences he gets by trying to stop Mysterio is that mysterio outted his secret identity. Which then in no way home he goes to doctor strange for a spell and obviously if u watch the movie it fails which brings villains from other universes which then Mcu Spider-Man has to stop and not only stop them he tries to cure them. Which his consequences in doing that is aunt may being killed by the green goblin and on top of that having Doctor strange make another spell that makes everyone forget who he is and now literally his whole life as Peter has been taken from him and now he is only left with the spider man identity. Which if u ask me that’s a shitty way to live life
could have prevented no way home from happening by making everyone forget about mysterio and also giving the colleges admissions department another phone call to plead his case and yet he still finds a way to fuck it all up. he is by far the dumbest spider-man and he deserves to lose aunt may, he had it coming.
@@vineezyproductions9638 yk I can say the same thing ab all Spider-Man and their dumb mistakes….. yk like it’s not part of their character…..so what’s ur argument?
@@Iamkelejr that was far stupid than what any other spider-man did. tobeys spider-man got cheated out of money that was on the ad, andrews spider-man didn’t have a penny. these were honest real mistakes, this guy is just a dumbass. i’m seeing a struggling peter parker financially in 2 iterations and a complete idiot here in the mcu. this is what happens when there’s no uncle ben, he’s a complete idiot.
“Cut it, cut it, cut it, cut it” “Stab him, stab him, stab him, stab him” Holy fucking shit can’t we just have a compelling fight sequence? Okay so he cuts the web, then what, Peter will just throw another and we’re back to square one with your ass going “cut it cut it” 🤓 Lizard stabs Peter, what do you want him to die?? Did you forget this was made for kids?? Okay he stabs him, then what? What’s the next course of action? Stabbing him more? No he has to let him go so Peter can win and cure the Lizard. Because the alternative is him dying and Connor’s not being cured which is NOT what you want to happen Holy shit never let this guy in a writing room I swear to god
They can still make it compelling by have characters actions align with their motivations and means you dense fuck. No he wants Lizard to actually try to kill him. Did you forget that the 2017 Spider-Man show is made for kids?? Yes. No he doesn't have to do that if they don't make him get the opportunity to easily kill Spider-Man, you're stupid. No that's not the alternative, I just suggested an alternative. Holy shit never let THIS GUY into a writing room if these are his defenses I swear to god.
Besides, I don’t even know if the Spectacular Lizard has long enough claws to do significant damage. Maybe TASM Lizard, but Spectacular Lizard’s claws are punier than most iterations. As for Vulture, having the equivalent of an upgraded metal hang-glider on your back doesn’t allow you to do a perfect 180 and slice something stuck behind you. I don’t think SK has ever tried reaching around to grab something on your back. It’s a pain.
I love how he’s got so much to say about The Lizard episode (number 3) and fails to mention that the news article is a copy and paste of the same paragraph from the intro and mentions villains like Shocker, Sandman, Rhino, Doc Ock, Green Goblin and Venom before they’re even introduced
The thing with that Dr corners episode is that Spider-Man took too much of his time where he couldn't do a part time job ,which could have held them financially and this problem caused him to make some irrational & selfish desicion Which very human And that was indeed a peak spider-man scene
SK doesn't seem to understand this and flat out is removing context that shows why Peter is doing this. He doesn't understand that people can make mistakes and be selfish at times. In other words, he doesn't understand a damn thing about Spider-Man.
Okay first of all Peter wouldn't have made a selfish and irrational decision if he was in character in that scene, and even if it was within reason, the episode treats it like he didn't make any mistakes and got punished for doing the right thing when he didn't.
@@JohnDanielRay1 What are you talking about? Taking the photos was a mistake and he suffered the conquenses, the point of the final scene is that he chooses to continuing being spiderman because the city needs it even if peter's life get ruined. Peter has made made irrational decisions in the comics too, even out of anger.
Bro I can destroy SK arguments so easily 1. Peter sets up the photo because at many points throughout the show Peter has shown that he’s trying to win thsi contest might I add contest implying if he doesn’t someone else will and Aunt May can’t afford to lose another possible revenue chain so ofc he’s going to take every chance to win 2. Peter in that moment is being cocky because he believes his plan will work flawlessly he believes he can simply knock the lizard into the drink and feed him the serum. He told Eddie prior to this plan to leave at which point he refused so Peter simply allowed him to do his plan because there was no other way to lure the lizard from his point of advantage in the reptile section to the only point in the zoo where he’s literally weaker and slower 3. The fact Peters name is in the picture could simply be a result of Peter not knowing Jameson would put it in it’s completely within Jamison’s character to leave it out especially when he doesn’t think any wrong doing could come from it. 4. What SK can’t fully comprehend and why the final scene is so good is literally Uncle Ben is dead because of Peter and his powers if he never got bit the bills would be paid but because of a random bug bite Peter now has to make money and be Spider-Man and the best way in this situation for him to do that while saving the day is to take the picture of him saving people. From a moral standpoint there’s nothing wrong especially when he believes and is capable of saving Eddie which he did before any harm could come saving Billy and curing Connor’s which might I add he literally created the very idea for the antidote as Peter Parker as well. He did nothing wrong from his point of view so it’s in character for Peter to try and cash in and get some reward for his powers and this is why it’s a big Spider-Man moment. He’s trying to “do both” and it blows up in his face because for him to get that picture and save the day are diametrically opposed outcomes. Either he saves Connor’s and Peter doesn’t get the photo or he gets the photo and Peter risks allowing his friends to get hurt or die. He did both and it still didn’t work which is Perfectly Spider-Man. SK doesn’t engage with Spider-Man media or any Media from a standpoint of character motives or human beliefs all he does is think what he would do to solve a problem with his benefit of hindsight and then judge characters in that situation
33:05 This one really gets me because Tobey Peter did literally the exact same thing in Spider-Man 1. As a matter of fact I'm pretty sure that's what this scene is BASED ON. Spectacular takes VERY heavy cues from the Raimi movies.
@@BrandontheAwesome you literally gloss over problems in writing by saying "it's fiction" 💀 who are you to say what a brilliant writing is when you make fanboy arguments like that 🤦♀️🤣 fanboys accept everything, I'm not a fanboy like you
You can’t debate with smart people because they can answer with good response. But you can’t argue with a stupid person who answers with stupid logic and refuse to admit it.
@@dante_0962 you can't take criticism for crap that's literally Valid criticism 💀 dude the villains in universe don't give a crap about this, Sandman isn't thinking to himself "uh oh this is a kids show, better not stab spider-man"
@@TheLowBlow No, but the thing is, the writers are restricted from doing certain things because of a little thing called, oh what's the word, CENSORSHIP. What, are you gonna complain Spidey doesn't get stabbed in literally any other cartoon? Heck, going by S.K.'s logic, all superhero cartoons suck because the villain never kills the hero even when they have the chance. A) They aren't gonna kill off the main hero and B) Some villains aren't cold-blooded killers.
14:52 I have to point this out. From what can be seen, he reaches as soon as he noticed that it fell. People have and will commit basic actions without thought, or without processing fast enough to stop. That’s probably what happened, he was focusing on what he was working on
@@TheLowBlow So getting spider powers is okay, but flying men, people being more durable, supervillain teamups, stuff like that crosses the line? Dude, have you ever read a comic book?
at 22:40 you don’t even mention the fact that peter wasn’t even setting up his camera angle. he said he was looking for a spot to knock the lizard into the water. exclaiming that the dome had the “perfect angle”
9:25 that weapon is most likely something based on a monks spade or a crescent moon shovel spear. The Crescent Moon Spade's versatility allows its master to hook, stab, scoop, sweep, smack and chop at opponents using techniques from spear, staff, broadsword, and trident fighting styles. The crescent blade was added to the opposite end to push away animal predators by the neck without killing them. Fancy Dan doesn’t have that. He only has the side meant for killing which fallows the “squashing” part of their deal.
@@skibot9974 yeh he's using MCU Peter as examples of what he did better than Spectacular in the same situatio, if MCU Peter was able to get something right that Spectacular spiderman failed at then that says something about this version of Spider-man, it has nothing to do with disliking MCU Peter that's just being biased, but that's what spiderman fans are anyways
The part where he said Spiderman isn’t a party that trick and then goes to fight off a bad guy, that scene was Peter about to use Spider-Man as a party trick. He even rehearses what he wants to say when he crashes the party as Spider-Man
@eoa-gw8unt’s not only that but SK is expecting Spider-Man to have super speed or have all the time in the world to think about a situation before or during it The reason the flash doesn’t get any excuse is because with superspeed even if he was an average person he would have all the time in the world to think about the situation or not at all be challenged by anyone who isn’t as fast as him Being the flash is an easy job it’s not even funny as the only reason he loses is because he turns into an idiot with his enemies taking advantage of that If the villains were smart they find a way to get past his superspeed and if flash was smart he wouldn’t given them a second to plan run away or even a thought to come out The flash show only has very few moments were it makes sense given other people with superspeed a certain situation where the villain did outsmart them or their powers make super speed irrelevant but those are few and far between
So correct me if I'm wrong but what I'm hearing from what S.K is saying is he is basically "WHY ARE YOU ACTING LIKE AN ACTUAL PERSON! I DON'T WANT THAT I WANT PERFECTION!" I don't know is that in the ballpark or what?
The most infuriating thing of this video is how the show, for kids, easily and VERY CLEARLY presents you with Villains NOTABLY INSANE, and then he goes: "Why are the INSANE Villains taking INSANE decisions? Why?? They shouldn't act INSANE" "Why is he doing that? He shouldn't that, it doesn't make sense!" There is so many WHY's but absolutely No thinking of his part to make the questions he have make sense.
Vulture obviously wasn't insane when he made that tech, he had to have thought rationally otherwise he could have made a mistake while building it like his flight being delayed and him falling to his death so he definitely wasn't insane Electro wasn't insane because he was able to ask for a cure normally before even giving Curt the chance Sandman wasn't insane for obvious reasons Rhino wasn't insane he's just not smart So what's up with the awful "insane" excuse?
@@TheLowBlow Just because he's smart enough to make his own tech doesn't automatically mean he can't make poor decisions or think rational all the time.
@@JayRedGear true you're right, but that logic only applies to outside of making his tech, if he's making his tech he needs to think rationally, anything could go wrong if he's not thinking carefully, obviously he wasn't thinking at all since he didn't even think to give himself a mask
@@TheLowBlow You ever heard of a thing called mad scientist? Or a smart person with an ego the size of Jupiter? Even smart people can think irrationally and for Vulture's case, it's very clear that he wants credit for his creations and wanted it to be publicly known which is why didn't wear a mask.
All through the first episode, Peter is shown to be overconfident since he's new to being Spider-Man. So if they were to think about for a few seconds, these scenes make a lot of sense.
What really wierds me out about the nitpick of Spider-Man taking a call with Aunt May while fighting Electro is that this is an actual plot-point from the Lee-Ditko run on 616 Spider-Man. Peter handles it the same, he's in the middle of fighting some mobsters, so he locks himself in the other room, makes a casual call to Aunt May, and continues his fight. They frame it similarly, too, it's meant to be comedic. Actually, y'know what, it happened again. Another one of the criticisms was just a factor of Peter's character FROM the comics. In Ultimate Spider-Man (the original) Peter DOES use his powers to play sports. Peter's a part of the Midtown High basketball team for a bit in Ultimate. If memory serves, Peter comes to the same conclusion here as he does in the comics, too, not necessarily that it would give his identity away, but also that it's unfair
20:02 does s.k think the cops would believe a caller saying Random new Yorker: ay there is a 8 foot tall lizard man fighting Spider-Man and they're going to the Bronx
He multiple times said I didn’t said that to Colin like if he was mixing and twist words. And then SK says something else even though that’s not what he actually said. And he never says sorry for phrasing words in a certain that can be viewed against what he actually says.
@@dante_0962 But still SK can be a real hard ass and doesn't admit that some of his points in Insomniac Spider-Man were wrong. But yeah this whole debate about a fictional character like Spider-Man is getting outta of hand.
Commented this on Colins video, so imma comment something similar here since my same thoughts apply to this Spectular Spider-Man review (Also disclaimer: random Breaking Bad spoiler far below, so tread with caution.) These Cinemasin or Madvokate channels seem to always expect a character to being 100% aware of everything their doing, do the right decision, and just think characters having a flaw or doing the wrong thing is bad writing Which... The whole point of writing a story is about characters having flaws? Name any story, literally any kind of story (Spider-Man, Batman, Borderlands, Kirby etc) and a majority of that story or a characters decisions, story and arc happen because of wrong decisions that either make them grow as a person or acts as their downfall depending on the character. If we had stories where, again, characters are completely 100% aware of what theyre doing with zero character flaws, then there flat out wouldn't be any kind of stories that wouldnt last past maybe 5 minutes. And the whole appealing to reality thing is ridiculous. I can understand its fun to to talk about comic stuff from a reality perspective But its just that... Fun, not to act as a legitimate criticsm. While it would be a fair criticism for a series thats blatantly tied to a form of reality (such as breaking bad, a common bit of criticism coming from a plane person getting drugged and that somehow causing a plane crash.) Aka, not for a series where a boy gets spider powers from an irradiated spider, or a guy getting super speed by getting struck by friggin lightning Obviously for stuff like Marvel, DC, Darkhorse etc you have to suspend some form of disbelief. Its not gonna be completely realistic in terms of stuff happening and its not really supposed to. In terms of this form of criticism, I feel like it should be based around the shows, movie, comics etc own reality rather than our own. For example, Spider-Man has a standard amount of abilities (super strength, agility, spider sense etc), but going beyond those capabilities or introducing a random new power (like uhh... Idk, creating spider shaped spot portals?) without any elaboration for how he can do those things would be pretty fair criticisms But guess its easier to critique a character falling from a kinda high height or the bad guy trying to immediately kill in a kids comics show that's known for having several long fights *shrugs*
Madvocate is way better, though, especially since the character he’s criticizing is pretty much a god who can’t catch normal crooks, and his main villains are supposed to be some of the smartest men alive.
@@azaanimations319 Never said Madvokate was bad, I think a bit of the opposite for the most part His content can be entertaining, and he makes a fair bit of good points against CW Flash. I do think the writing can be repetitive, but that's more me not being a fan of the cinemasins type content. However, I do still think Madvokate isn't completely free from my points. As while his points for later seasons of The Flash is fair, for stuff like Season 1 he doesn't really account that Barry was heavily inexperienced with stuff like combat and his powers.
19:18 did something get cut out in this segment? It goes from S.K talking about how the next episodes are worse to you criticizing a point he made about Dr Conners being hasty about the lizard formula, without showing him talking about the point he made?
SK needs to learn thar not every person is a super genius and is perfect and a quick thinker, and that nitpicks (which are almost all his criticism) don’t make a show a disaster
@@BrandontheAwesome you're right spiderman does make mistakes, but there's a difference between making mistakes outside of your character and making mistakes that are within your character, for example, if Spider-Man tries to freeze a symbiote (like he did in this show) then that's a out of character mistake, Peter studies science, so he should know how cold space is, so why in the world would he think freezing the symbiote would work when it can easily survive in a environment like space? anyone who supposedly studies science would know that wouldn't work, they teach us this in school, with that information, you are more smarter than this Peter Parker
@@BrandontheAwesome you're right spiderman does make mistakes, but there's a different between making mistakes outside of your character and making mistakes that are within your character, for example, if Spider-Man tries to freeze a symbiote like he did in this show then that's a out of character mistake, Peter studies science, so he should know how cold space is, so why in the world would he think freezing the symbiote would work when it can easily survive in a environment like space? anyone who supposedly studies science would know that wouldn't work, they teach us this in school, with that information, you are more smarter than this Peter Parker
The only criticism I've ever had for spectacular Spider-Man and this was when I was like eight was that it got to plot points way to slowly but then I watched it a couple years ago and realized oh wait I was just consistently getting reruns of the same like four episodes that's why they felt so long-winded.
32:00 are we forgetting Peter losing the suit and Tony’s respect having to earn both back? Or even Peter losing his chance with Liz because he had to stop the vulture
Well first off losing the suit shouldn’t have been that big of a deal given peter shouldn’t think he is nothing without it And if anything tony should lose Peter’s respect since he is doing the same thing he was doing before iron man 1 ignoring the fact dangerous weapons on your watch are getting into the wrong hands and not bothering to take care of it(leaving it to the fbi while fine imagine if something went wrong and they all died it be on tony) As for Liz, if Peter actually cared to pursue her he would stay in contact with her Long distance or say they will be together some day(just because someone moves away doesn’t mean you still can’t have a relationship in the future) Basically these consequences aren’t really consequences when you look at them Because if Peter actually understood he has superpowers to begin with he wouldn’t think he is nothing without a suits If he knew anything about tony he call him out on not actually caring even if he did listen He would try to be in a relationship with Liz despite moving away or try to stay in contact if he cared Basically non of this is actually in-depth or something that is detrimental because with a little extra brain thought you realize most of this falls flat on it’s face
@@ATalesTruth- fair point on the first but I highly doubt Liz would want anything to do with Peter after diryching her at prom. As far as she’s aware Peter was pranking her by claiming her and levaing
@@skibot9974 not really given Liz had 0 problems saying “what are you sorry about” after the fact Basically saying peter ditching her multiple times was not at all a problem If she got mad at him after her father was put away because not only did Peter ditch her the same night but her father is in jail adding onto emotional distress But none of the sort happened basically she was ok with him doing what he did not once addressing it as a problem in a relationship way(the only time that’s mentioned is when he missed the decathlon but only for the decathlon not because of their relationship) Basically there was no problem with peter ditching her apparently Meaning if he did actually want to keep in touch with her and all that he could The door wasn’t closed just because she left Meaning her and him no longer being a thing is just to say peter didn’t actually think anything about her other than he like her If it was love differently story right For instance by that logic just because mj in no way home even if she remembered Peter had to go to a different college does that mean they will no longer be together If they actually care distance wouldn’t be a problem especially in this day of age(in the past maybe but today unless your an unfaithful prick and are on a long distance relationship, there shouldn’t be any problems beyond not being physically in the same room)
The problem with this guy is the fact that he expects a cartoon show to follow real life facts, obviously in any form of media the villain is going to show his presence, obviously then villain is going to be perfectly smart every time he enters a scenario, I don’t get what he would want to even watch
This is like everything wrong with online film critique. “Fictional characters must be perfect 24/7 and always make perfectly calm and rational decisions all the time”
They also complain about the lack of realism, then condemn characters for not being logical 24/7. The irony is that no human alive is even remotely capable of being logical at all times. So the one area of realism that exists in storytelling is the thing they hate the most. This is why I struggle to take followers of rationalism seriously. Their logic is too rooted in survival instincts to be considered unbiased.
Which is the oppisote of Spider-Man who is a human being that makes mistakes.
Who fuck is two face
sk is such a victim of this
Thats what separates good writing with bad ones bud. And spectacular spiderman writhing is not as great as i remember.
As someone who’s gone through this I salute u for the mental will power needed to get through an S.K video and edit
SK wants to be the next Madvocate, but doesn’t have nearly his same amount of critical thinking.
I salute you guys for doing this stuff.
@@ImmortalDreamEntertainment lol thats actually very true
His strategy is always to attack someone personally instead of staying on topic
@@ImmortalDreamEntertainment madvocate was in his stream supporting what he said BOY.
-guy who gets information to be transphobic from a religoin known to peddle homophobia and transphobia
If he’s so against Spider-Man making mistakes. God forbid he finds out what happened to Uncle Ben
Spider-Man making mistakes is what makes Spider-Man so inspiring. A human dude with powers that makes mistakes but never gives up
It'd literally just be echoing all the adaptations where Peter (either verbally or internally) puts words to his feelings about taking responsibility for Uncle Ben's death.
*cough cough* 2017 *cough cough*
I can just imagine how he’d word it “Peter, what the fuck are you doing? The guy is getting away and you have super strength! I get that he just got snubbed out of pay, but you do realize that if that guy gets away with the money then you’re definitely not getting paid. Also, I’m sure your employer would’ve been more than happy to pay you more money for stopping the criminal who robbed him. And that’s not even to mention that he is risking civilian casualties by letting an armed criminal get away. Peter Parker has been utterly character assassinated”
That’s what makes him a great hero, with every mistake, he gets back up and takes responsibility
All his complaints about the villains are literally “why did this crazy person in a high stress situation not do the same thing that I would?”
No the complaints about the villains are "why is this person doing something counterproductive to their goals" you disingenuous piece of garbage.
There's also, "I can't believe a some random 15 year old who got superpowers 3 months ago by random chance isn't a seasoned veteran superhero who can execute every action perfectly"
Aaaaaaand this logic applies to basically most, if not all of his criticisms, for the ps4 game 💀
@@lm_slayer1 Not his logic, but yes it does apply to the ps4 game. He's got a whole video about that to if you're interested.
I'd love to see this guy write a Spider-man story. It'd be the most safe, boring piece of storytelling ever told
Most of SK's arguments can be disproven with a single fact: Peter's been Spider-Man for three months and has dealt with low crime only. Not supervillains, nor organized crime. Just petty crooks and saving people. And most of the problems he deals with goes back it, because it's his first time dealing with them. How would a fifteen years old kid know he could ask to be anonymous when working with a newspaper for the _first time in his life._ It's one of the things that makes this Peter Parker so great to me: he's the most relatable take on the character thus far for any teen/young adult.
He treats him like a veteran Spider-Man who should have all the answers and experience, that shouldn't under any circumstance fuck up, when he naturally wouldn't have such.
Not to mention that it's still a Saturday morning cartoon. Yet, he seems to be asking it to be like Batman V Superman levels of "depth" and "introspection" (more accurately pretentiousness).
Hell, the showrunners referred to the premise of the show as "The education of Peter Parker" and for a very good reason. The entire point of the series is Peter growing up to become a better hero and person as a whole.
Too bad we never saw that fully-realized Spider-Man.
Exactly. S.K has so many criticisms with Spectacular Spider-Man saying things like “Why didn’t Peter do this a certain way” or “Why didn’t Peter just do this instead so he wouldn’t have to worry about this”. He seemingly forgets that’d not only is this a first year Spider-Man, but he’s also a human being that makes mistakes, and for him to achieve something successfully in a perfect way every time, would just be bad writing.
What the fuck is Spectacular Spider-man Who fuck is harry
Idk man, there are some fuck ups that Peter did that I don't think can be excused by that.
BvS isn’t remotely close to having “depth”
I don't understand why people say that someone making a bad choice is poor writing
because they don't understand writing they just want perfect/boring stories
@@tk78junior64 Exactly.
@@tk78junior64no, they want actions within character.
@@pheas Actions within character and making mistakes can both be the same thing.
@@lmao2302 what☠️☠️
"I hate that Peter randomly decides to call Aunt May"
Dude has less attention span than a fucking toddler. Literally says in the show she set a 10PM Curfew for Peter and he has to call if he runs late.
@@JohnDanielRay1 Username checks out. Peter wouldn't want to do that, because he actually cares for Aunt May. And, again, he's 16, and early SpiderMan. He can fuck up.
lmao, dude watches tiktok for half a day then tryna ""criticize"" a long form content
I'm tired of channels calling everything a 'disaster' when they criticize something. Like, this series got a second season (far from a given in the world of TV), was critically successful and created a cult fanbase. We're still talking about it, over a decade and a half later. It wasn't a massive hit or anything, and it did get cancelled, but none of that strikes me as particularly disastrous. People just cheapen the word by overusing it. Soon enough disaster will just mean 'bad', and then it'll mean nothing at all.
Anyway, ignore the rant. I really liked the video.
hell, the reason it DID get cancelled was completely out of the control of the shows reception as spider man was becoming a rights nightmare with the show rights going to disney during its run and killing the show
the word “bad” has already lost meaning when people are comparing some fairly decent, albeit not perfect cgi to ps2 graphics
@@timskully3496 pokemon?
It was a pretty big hit at the time. Only cancelled because they rights changed hands.
Oh boo fucking hoo, a video is out to prove something is bad because it is? Cry me a river.
You know, if I had a nickel for every time SK made a bad video about the Spiderman franchise, I'd have 2 nickels, which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice.
I think hes made more than just 2
Unfunny
bro you have like a whole dollar by now lol
@@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259bro look at ur name you dont get to say whats not funny
@nobodyspecial4676 leafy is here is a funny and dumb name. It's only unfunny because the same joke has been repeated 10,000 times. That said, my name doesn't explicitly say I find leafy is here funny, it says I find it dumb. You're butthurt and can't think of a decent comeback
Time to put the phrase "character assassination" on the high shelf until people figure out how to use it responsibly.
Time for you to read a book
yup
@eoa-gw8un Just like it's character assassination for Spider-Man to leave a helicopter to crash.
@illuminoubshell yeh it would, if both characters have had blind rage before and never went that far
That was the sickest diss/statement I’ve read today thank you lmao 😂
A lot of Sk’s basically boil down to “do this do this do this do this do this do this” it’s like listening to an actual child
Sure if you simplify his criticisms in bad faith like that it'll sure help get people on your side.
@@JohnDanielRay1 how am I simplifying his criticisms when he does this three times while talking about three episodes?
is it because he's giving more logical decisions about what a character should do instead of what actually happened? Is that what registers as sounding like a child now?
@@TheLowBlow Because he doesn't understand the characters or the target audience that certain media is made for?
@@TheLowBlow No, I'm saying that there is a certain demographic this show is aimed at, so it can't get away with things that more grown up shows could. For example, you can't show a character bleeding or stabbed and stuff like that without bumping up the age rating. C'mon man, use that stupid brain of yours instead of blindly following S.K.
As for Peter always answering May on the phone, he probably doesn’t want May to worry too much and have a heart attack or something and die. She’s an old lady.
It's in character for Peter to always put Aunt May first. In the Stan Lee/Ditko run, he even ducks out of a fight with Green Goblin because he got news that Aunt May had been taken to the hospital.
And he talks about character assassination
@@theincrediblespiderdude5454With how little SK understands Spider-Man, he has no right saying it's character assassination.
That's actually a really good point.
hell she actually had a heart attack in the show so yeah
One thing you didn't mention about Curt becoming Lizard is what I think both of you have actually missed. In the Electro episode, it's explicitly highlighted how Electro shoots Curt's container which has the lizard dna and in the Lizard episode, when he injects it, it's shown to sparkle electricity.
So perhaps Curt DIDN'T MAKE A MISTAKE and he was genuinely onto something with his research, but due to Electro's powers messing up the formula, he transformed into a giant monster and due to that trauma, Curt never wanted to experiment with that ever again. I always found that to be one of the most subtly brilliant parts about that episode so just wanted to mention it.
Maybe idk
*That's* attention to detail and a good sense of continuity.
I didn't know people missed this or possibly didn't also consider it tbh
damn, i never noticed that, thats a cool idea but honestly i think the lizard stuff in the ep works either way, and maybe a little better if its entirely Conners´ fault, like either because he simply didnt want to wait to test the formula more, or wanted to see the results of his efforts faster so he could show his investors that he´s made a breakthrough to secure their continued funding, cuz i remember that being a somewhat important part of his motivation, sort of like Otto in the ps4 game
Well we don’t know that, but I guess it’s a possibility. It could’ve also just been that nothing would’ve happened if electro never electrified it
Of course SK made a video saying Spectacular was overrated, between this show and the PS4 game, he seems to hate perfect adaptations of Spider-man.
Edit: I accidentally started a gang war because of one word.
Yeah, I hated his critiques brcause he seems to forget who the target audience is or he forgets to suspend his disbelief.
True
Insomniac isn’t perfect and neither is spectacular. Didn’t peter literally cheat on liz on the last episode?
now now, SK might be a bit mouthy but PS4 spiderman isn't perfect lmao
@@giormelgar8113So what if they aren't perfect? Just because something has flaws doesn't mean it isn't good. Take the first six (and ONLY six) Star Wars movies. Do they have flaws? Sure! But they are still good movies (despite what some fans say...)
I always just assumed that Vulture decided not to conceal his face when he abducted Norman. Since his goal is to make Norman give him credit for things. His identity would be pretty obvious in retrospect if Norman did what he wanted, so what's the point in disguising himself?
Always thought the idea was that he's so upset about having his ideas stolen that he's willing to get thrown in prison to get the credit he deserves.
Plus in the comics he doesn’t wear a mask and he could be seen as a underdog beating the greedy capitalist businessman.
Also he can have Norman forgive him of he’s crime
Yeah, concealing his identity would defeat his own purpose and just lead to criticism of his methods in a different direction.
“I am the Vulture, and I have come for you, Osborn! You must confess to stealing Adrian Toomes’ Tech-Flight invention!”
“Says the winged man whose body hums when he flies. If you’re not Toomes, are you sure you don’t have some apologizing to do yourself?”
“Uh…yes, well… SILENCE!”
Yeah, from the vultures point of view his life is already over
@@causticsneeze3425 exactly, that's valid criticism
Next thing you know he’s gonna criticize the 90’s or 60’s Spider-Man for not being realistic enough
If I remember correctly, the 1994 Spider-Man was actually one of the versions he liked, really don’t know what’s this guys standards.
"He's in the 1960s and isn't an overly racist jerk?"
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@@ILikeSoda229 he streamed the other day and I asked if the spectacular spm tv series is the best spm series and he said yes it is so idk his standards either.
@@SM1-1048 ??? That doesn’t make any senes
@@captainsprinkles6557 😂😂
SK feels like a type of person I've met a lot before.
That person that when sees something slightly wrong done by someone, gets overly mad about it, calling it out for it being stupid or dumb, often to something that isn't even wrongful or that bad in the first place, while also not being a very intelligent person themselves.
Then oftens suggest "better solutions" for what they're overly critizing, which turn out to always just be way worse than what they're trying to "fix", and just end up overly complicating or fumbling what didn't even needed fixing in the first place.
Aka the WORST type of person
He sounds just like CinemaSins, a big red flag.
What he's criticizing aren't slightly wrong decisions. Explain how his suggestions are worse, because Lizard trying to stab Spider-Man isn't overly complicating. Across The Spiderverse literally does this in Gwen's flashback sequence when Lizard tries to bite her but she blocks it.
@@JohnDanielRay1 Such a suspicious comment I had to click your profile and see your other comments in this video. Your username suits! I see what you're doing now.
EDIT: THEY DELETED THEIR COMMENT LOL.
For context, I was replying to somebidy cronically defending SK.
Kinda sounds like a backseat gamer. Yk, these people who sit behind you, while you play a game and always tell you, what they think, you should have done.
In every video I've seen in regards to S.K., he's so hyper fixated on realism and things happening in a realistic way… in a franchise that's about a superhero, who's powers are that of being a spider, while he fights villain's that go by Doctor Octopus, Sandman, Green Goblin, Rhino, Electro, The Vulture, and as of recently thanks to Spider-Verse, The Spot. Not only does he fight those guys all of the time, but he does so in a bright red and blue costume, and because of his powers, he calls himself Spider-Man.
Not only does he expect things to be realistic, which it already isn't because a story about a kid who calls himself Spider-Man, but then he expects these characters to always act 100% rational and logical. Forgetting that human's in real life don't always think logically or rationally. That's why Vulture is great in this show, because we're watching an old man who's gone insane and is using his invention to cause harm. Realistically, no insane person is gonna think rationally or logically. So seeing how far he's willing to go for his vengeance is entertaining because we know that eventually, Spider-Man is gonna come and save the day.
There is something called "in universe logic" kid, stop acting like fiction doesn't have rules or limitations, if fiction breaks rules that they clearly establish then that's literally valid criticism 💀
@@FazeRustyNuts why does he love Batman then
Why don't any thug shoot at his chin
@@FazeRustyNuts Yeah, but there's clearly nothing that breaks the in-universe logic from Spectacular.
It's kind of expected since he's a Snyder cultist. So, of course, he's obsessed with realism.
@@FazeRustyNutswhat rules does spectacular break then?
S.K. has to be a bait channel, no way a self-proclaimed Spidey fan hates this many good Spider-Man adaptations unironically
You know it’s possible to criticize stuff you like right?
@@whateverkat8122 have you even watched his videos?
edit:nvm, I just read your other comments, it's quite apparent that you believe his "criticisms" to be correct
@@HunterX05agreed
@@HunterX05lmao
@@whateverkat8122 Would you call something you like “a disaster,” or a “catastrophe?”
The point of the scene at the end of the Lizard episode is that Peter is mad at HIMSELF for his choices and the consequences they've had. He isn't mad at his friends and the Connors, his speech never blames them. It blames himself. Spider-Man. It's part of the duality. Stripping Peter of his choices and turning them all into good choices ruins everything. He's mad at what being Spider-Man means for Peter Parker's life and then comes to the conclusion that it doesn't matter. Spider-Man can't fix his social problems, Spider-Man might not be loved by all, but Spidey saved people and that's all that matters. It is a scene that very much feels earned after Peter's social life has been negatively impacted throughout the series up to that point. It was the perfect ending to the show's first arc, encapsulating 4 episodes of character building. I can not understand how anyone could misunderstand that scene as hard as SK does. It is a scene that perfectly represents Spider-Man's character. That no matter who hates him, what friend he loses, what mistake he makes Spidey stays because Spidey is needed.
The show acts like he was scrutinized for doing the right thing when in reality he could have saved the day without those consequences taking place. You didn't engage with the point at all.
Bro thinks vulture not wearing a mask is a irrational thing as if wearing a vulture suit and doing that was a very rational thing in the first place
It just showed how revenge and anger consumed him
Arrogance does not = Stupidity. Kid
@@FazeRustyNuts what ?!?
@@FazeRustyNuts a DBZ pfp Calling someone kid
How ironic
@@aniverse_574 that's not an argument so try again
@@FazeRustyNuts there is no point to argue 😂
First present your point
Sk's c3cksucker
The problem with SK began back when he used to post his plot holes and rants back on Instagram until he deleted them. SK was aggressive towards many (not all) people he debated against, such as nitpicking their comments with spelling errors or just flat out insulted them. It's not to say he hasn't made good points, but it's difficult to get passed his insolent behavior, especially when he's always on ten.
Well, this reply is incredibly disingenuous but I'm just gonna leave it at that.
@@JohnDanielRay1 How so? While I can admit there were times SK was diplomatic and listened to people with opposing views, it still doesn't take away that many of his debates consisted of him being aggressive. His videos were better than his Instagram posts by miles, as he was able to get his points across thoroughly and didn't introduce people to his aggressive debate style, which can turn people away from his opinions which tends to be objective. I'm not including his live streams SK had with people as I haven't watched many of them, and when I did, he appeared calmer and cheerful.
@@katz7609 Do you have any references? Cuz I'd like to see them. SK wouldn't insult anyone unless they did something wrong, now come up with a real argument or shut up.
@@JohnDanielRay1 No, I do not. SK's previous posts of plot holes were deleted, all I can state is that he questioned movies such as Endgame, Thor being unworthy of mjolnir, all the Spider-Man movies, defended Kirsten dunst's MJ saying her actions were not plotholes. I do not blame you for questioning my comment, as there is no evidence since they were deleted. I frequently commented on his own posts and debated against and with him on many occasions, so I've seen how the guy can get critical of others both needlessly and rightfully.
You can either take my word or call me a liar. I know I'm telling the truth but an outsider would question the validity of my comment, rightfully so.
The point about Vulture and the helicopter is honestly kinda stupid.
Helicopters can be safely landed in case of a tail rotor malfunction. That is pretty common knowledge in regards to helicopters. And someone like Spidey would've absolutely known that, which is why he wasn't too concerned with it.
And clearly Spidey did have a plan what to do once Vulture's flight tech failed. It's why Spidey sat on Toomes with his legs crossed around Vulture's stomach.
Yeah I don’t know why he made such a big deal with that. Montana is obviously a very skilled pilot since he kept up with Spider-Man the entire time, he obviously knows what to do if something like this would happen.
Besides even if he wasn’t a good pilot, a tail rotor of a heli not functioning isn’t the end of the world. You can still land your helicopter successfully without it working, albeit just harder since it’ll be harder to turn it around. This isn’t GTA.
Honestly, it just seemed like he wanted something to bitch about and deliberately manipulated the scene, trying to make it look worse than it really is and is cutting context.
cuz sk is a dumbass who thinks the two most liked spiderman adaptations are killers
@@JayRedGear I mean isn't that the entire video?
I don’t think Spider-Man would know that but whatever not important and at least we got a answer to what happened to the helicopter.
SK is the type of person who believes cinema sins videos are legit movie reviews
That's just satire. Except when it's not. Then it's real criticism. Whats the difference. Idk DING
@RayTheomo Except the entire Emperor’s New Groove CinemaSins video when it’s nothing but wrong. Because everyone knows that movie is a work of art, every single second.
SK hates Cinema Sins
@@theomnigamer9177 True that! My favorite of all Disney films!
I'm pretty sure he finds them cringe. uncharitable much?
SK’s video proves just how great Spectacular Spider-Man is. The aspect about the show that he hates the most is that Peter is flawed and makes mistakes all the time. That says it all.
Like a atheist who accidentally proofs God exist.
Isn't it crazy how we could just handwave every dumb decision a character makes when they have no business making that decision in the first place as "he made a mistake" yeh a super genius who studies science thought freezing a alien from space would work, yeh definitely just a "mistake" on his part 💀
@@TheLowBlow Given Peter knew practically nothing about symbiotes, it makes sense he would make a mistake in trying to kill the symbiote.
My brother in Ra 100% lost me when he "critiqued" Lizard not stabbing Spider-Man and saying that Spider-Man has plot armor for surviving.
Sorry I can't finish this video, I already had to tap out when he was saying Episode 1 was a disaster for relatively small junk, but you did good debunking him, mate.
sk finds issues with small things that dont really even mess up the plot which arent even valid points and then is like "3/10 no spiderman being the perfect human being without anything going wrong in his thought process which can be interperated a bad way"
@@crazybl1tz88 "Critics" like him are the reason we have people like the people writing the new Peter Pan movie and saying "Where does the glow on Tinkerbell come from" and its just things you shouldn't think about too much on, not because its a turn your brain off situation, but because genuinely nobody cares about these things that you're overblowing into being some sort of crime against your favorite deity.
CinemaSins has ruined a generation of critics by thinking small innocuous things matter in a movie despite said errors lasting like a full second at most.
@@saltystick_99For me, as long as an error doesn't make the plot fall apart, it's really not worth caring about
"brother in Ra" wtf lol
@@randomnerd3402 More or less what I was getting at, yeah. If its irrelevant to the overall plot, then it genuinely shouldn't matter.
Wow, SK is a repeat offender, It really feels like SK is just looking for Spider-Man stuff to hate.
He's like madvocate but without the logic and reason
Yeah
@@Iianatorand madvocate feels like a passionate fan who wants to see the properties he critiques improve. SK just hates to hate
Lol
gotta get that youtube cash i guess
With his Spectacular and PS4 videos, I think SK's never actually read a Spider-Man comic, just seen all the various differing films and thus thinks he knows everything he needs to.
That good bit of spidey fans In general
Peter setting up his camera isnt even character assassination. He does it all the damn time in the original comics lol. He might be a superhero, but he is also a young man with many responsibilities and obligations to friends, family, etc. Keeping all of these things in mind while also trying (and often struggling) to find a way to balance them alongside his crime-fighting life is what makes Spider-man such a relatable and beloved character.
"The comics made this mistake to so it's okay!"
Shut the fuck up about the comics, they're a different continuity.
@@JohnDanielRay1but, it’s BASED on the comics, so it’s not out of character
sk was the kind of guy in school to remind the teacher they had homework
I think he skipped class.
I don't see how
No, more like the type of guy that thought he was smarter than the teacher if the teacher made a tiny error somewhere and he corrected them
Sk wants relaism in fights
Yet liked
Into and across the spiderverse
Where
6 Spidermen aren't able to defeat a normal human ( kingpin) easily
Yet he has no problem with miles escaping literally 100 spider-man and no one able to catch him ,even the experienced one
Yet he likes the batman where no thug ever tried to shoot at his chin
Yet he likes daredevil where a blind man defeats and whole gang who had guns and daredevil didn't even have a bullet proof suit lmao
The hypocrisy
yeah he said no way home had way more plot armor than other films which i dont get. Mile outran tons and tons of spideys and non of the spideys had spidey sense
@@BullyHemsworth ikr
Give him a few years and he'll start saying ITSV and ATSV are garbage or something. It's the natural cycle of a contrarian.
I can't tell is you're critiquing Spider-Verse or pointing out something.
@@dylansharp8471 I am only talking about his hypocrisy
Not about spiderverse
Tho I do have a problem with with spiderverse but its not this
I have a video on my problems with across the spiderverse
Here I wast just pointing out his hypocrisy
Y'know I actually think SK might only be making these for clout. Think about it, they're two hour long rants about things that will get a lot of attention, it's a perfect plan ro get known.
I know right
especially since they seem to be very similar in style to another(imo much better) critique of a superhero tv show that focused heavily on scrutinising the action scenes
Also the videos dropped the same day each season dropped on Disney+.
Yeah, I saw someone else do something similar within the realm of PlayStation games (Spider-Man 2018 included) whilst proclaiming themselves “the God of TH-cam”. These guys need to find more constructive hobbies.
@@Pihsrosnec yeh apparently he's making these for clout but when he goes in depth he's using things that litterally happened in the show 😂 I guess by that logic these movie and show producers just want clout and money huh?
I think the comments on MCU spiderman having little to no consequences feels like the kind of thing HiTop films would say, rewatching MCU spiderman films like homecoming show a lot more consequences than just one scene.
I wouldn’t say zero consequences
Does SK know what character assassination actually is? Peters actions in the first episode would have only been character assassination if either he failed, or it was portrayed he was being reckless. The writers control the outcome. He wasn’t going to kill anyone. He didn’t threaten to kill anyone. He had total control of the situation. Vulture was in no danger of dying. And I’m sure if the writers wanted to make a set piece for Peter to catch a helicopter they could. He does later in the series so he’s more than capable. What sheer nonsense.
His point still stands though, if the helicopter didn't land perfectly on the top of a bulding he would have to choose between letting Vulture fall to his death or letting the helicopter crash on a *highly populated city*
@@MetalHopper nah, you think Peter couldn’t easily web Vulture to a wall before going to catch the helicopter. He effortlessly saved Vulture in that moment, and we’ve seen him multitask in the series plenty of times. There is a possibility things could go wrong, but that wasn’t the intention of the scene and it isn’t what happened. Montana safely landed the helicopter without incident. Peters biggest goof in that whole moment was letting the Enforcers get away, but frankly that is such a Spider-Man thing to happen. He can’t solve everything.
@@MetalHopper They also bring back the helicoptor thing in the last episode of the series to show that Peter has learned since that fight because he saves the helipcoptor. But you decided not to notice that because it doesn't fit your defense of SK.
It doesn't matter if he failed or was being portrayed as reckless because he still risked potentially a shit ton of lives, and it doesn't matter what the writers intended because the implications are still there. He was by letting the helicopter crash, doesn't matter if he watched where it was going or not because he would still be delaying himself. He wasn't in control of that situation. You're right, they were capable but chose not to for some reason. What a sheerly nonsensical defense.
Hey man I just wanted to say I really enjoyed this video. It was a phenomenally good critique and you often brought up points that were exactly what I said to my friend about SK's video. I know you have a small channel and probably not much motivation in the TH-cam scene but keep up the good work and I know your channel will take off someday
Thank you very much for the kind words!
@@guccistealth3834 It was a great video. Although your a small chanel and I've never heard of you before, the video popped up on my top suggestions. So, I'd assume it'd be the same for most people who watched that video.
@@guccistealth3834 And you were right on ever point.
@@guccistealth3834Also while i don't agree with everything you said u did a good job
Ps: don't like Collins comment the guy is a dick
@@guccistealth3834one thing that i disagree with you is not Electros origin but how he became electro.... the guy just saw that the drill was electrified but he still decided to touch it... it would've been believable if he wasn't stupidly looking at it and guessed where it was and tried to grab it
Why was he so pissy about Lizard not stabbing Spidey? Did he actively want him to die?
Because Lizard had the motivation and means to stab him. No he wants Lizard to actually try to kill him rather than toss him around.
@illuminoubshell Key word there is eat, which is exactly what Lizard was trying to do.
@illuminoubshell Isn't that what Lizard was trying to do to Peter?
@@TillmanStudios he didn't even attempt to eat him
Uh probably because the Lizard has intent to kill? That's literally Valid criticism 💀 but apparently spiderman can't have that
He keeps saying character assassination, I don't think it means what he thinks it does.
Since he is the one assassinating the character and doesn't even realize it because he doesn't understand the character.
@@TillmanStudios facts
I bet they could character assassinate his favorite Spider-Man and he will defend it to the death.
@BrandontheAwesome based on his videos that I've seen I can't even tell if he even likes Spider-Man.
@@Slash_Spider Or he is such a fan of Miles Morales he tries to tear down Peter to build up Miles. Wouldn't put it past him.
“You have a choice, between coming across as a complete dumbass, and lying to your entire audience.”
S.K: I can do both!
He never lied and he was able to go in depth better than you ever could, considering you think this show is good
@@TheLowBlow He lied plenty of times to further his point and no, he I bet he _couldn’t_ go in-depth as of to why this show is bad if his life depended on it. I guess it doesn’t matter anyway, no point in arguing with someone who can’t even use common sense to tell that a show like this is more than good.
@@ILikeSoda229 Nice response! I swear, this guy has got a catridges short of a web shooter if ya know what I mean!
@@ILikeSoda229 did he lie about Spider-Man almost letting a helicopter crash happen? 💀 I don't remember him lying about that, did he lie about The Villians not stabbing Spider-Man when they had the chance like the Lizard or Sandman situation? No, did he lie about Peter prioritizing a good camera angle instead of immobilizing Lizard? No, I can go on and on but there's no point in arguing with a Spider-Man fanboy who can't take criticism about the show he likes 😂
@@BrandontheAwesome make sure you zip his pants back up when you're done 👍
I think the thing that’s so dumb about S.K.’s argument is that he expects Peter’s characterization to always be perfectly moral and upright when Peter was kind of a jerk in the early days of the comics.
Peter values peoples lives in the show. Yet he caused a helicopter crash and took down a building that could easily kill people for no reason. Shut up.
@eoa-gw8un Spider-Man is scum in this show lol
Spider-Man was a *incel* who was struggling trying to the good thing. Which is something not a lot of people don’t understand Peter wasn’t a good person before getting bitten. Even after getting bitten he still acted like jerk sometimes but he was still trying to be better.
@@dante_0962 Peter values saving people. Not committing to actions that will kill people isn't a factor of perfection.
cam both of you provide examples? especially the incel part cuz that word has lost all its meanings
24:57 I know it happens for plot reasons, but the way they treat Peter in this episode kind of rubbed me the wrong way, even when I was younger. They know he's dirt poor, and the lab doesn't pay him. He's desperate, that doesn't make him an asshole. He's looking out for Aunt May.
Of course it all would have been fine if he just went uncredited in the paper though, smh.
SK when a teenager makes a stupid decision: 🤯🤯😡😡
THANK YOU!!!!! I've been waiting for someone to debunk those videos! This is a dream come true!
🤣🤣🤡
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@@FazeRustyNuts What are you laughing about. I could've debunked SK's arguement in the five minutes kid.
@@TillmanStudios you kids always talk about what you could do but never actually do it
@@FazeRustyNuts Dude, some of us want to do things but don't have the means to at the moment. I want to make videos, but I don't have the neccessary equioment yet.
Peter Parker: Gets a job that could've gone to someone else.
SK: THIS IS BLATANT CHARACTER ASSASSINATION.
@illuminoubshellSpider-Man: *breaks his no kill rule or in this case let's a helicopter fall to it's doom*
Spider-Man fanboys: "suspend your disbelief" "it's fiction"
@@TheLowBlow Helicopters don't fall like a rock when the tail rotor gets taken down, you still can maintain control of the vechile enough to land it safely, which is what happens in the show. Pay some attention.
@@TheLowBlow UHH, do you not know how helicopters work? if the tail rooter is taken out, you have manual control and can safely land the plane. That's literally how they work in real life. SK supporters when they see something that is realistic: That makes no sense! This isn't realistic!
Everyone else: Actually, it is.
Lots of SK debunks recently, I think Collin and Arachnid Youth started a trend.
About time it happened!
@@BrandontheAwesome yeh too bad the "debunks" didn't hold up and SK destroyed them
@@TheLowBlow Too bad those "debunks" of the debunks are horrible and further prove S.K is a moron who knows nothing about Spider-Man.
@@TheLowBlow Actually, both times SK 'debunked' those arguments, all he did was whine and complain about what they said to him, lmao. His 'debunks' of the debunks, just proved them right, because he never once had a good defense nor debunk of what they were saying.
I love how sk claims to be a huge spider-man fan doesn’t realize that over half of his nitpicks in every one of his spider-man videos are debunked by peter’s spider sense. In just video alone we have:
5:36 - peter’s spider sense alerts him to threats to his identity. This is why there’s never been an instance where he takes off his mask and some random person sees him key word being random, his spider sense doesn’t work on people he doesn’t view as a threat like aunt may at the end of homecoming and the Peter tingle scene in far from home. The point is his spider sense would alert him if he was at risk of being seen.
10:41 - Spider-Man’s spider sense also alerts him to any potential threats, meaning he would’ve known if damaging the helicopter or vulture’s wings would’ve resulted in anyone getting injured.
21:37 - again, if Peter taking the time to set up the camera would’ve resulted in Eddie getting hurt, then his spider sense would’ve gone off meaning he did nothing wrong by setting up the camera in that moment sense he knew doing so wouldn’t have put Eddie in danger
All of his videos are riddled with these mistakes which is normally fine but if you’re gonna take over 10 hours of your life nitpicking every iteration of a fictional character, at least understand how their powers work.
Then wear a fucking suit, what he did was still risky because even if his spider sense warns him, there's a risk he could be seen that he doesn't need to take. I don't care about the mcu, it's a different continuity. This defense could never even be used as an adaptation argument because Peter's spider sense went off when his aunt may was coming to his room.
Just because the spider sense didn't accurately predict danger doesn't mean it wasn't a risk.
AGAIN, JUST BECAUSE HIS SPIDER SENSE DIDN'T ACCURATELY PREDICT DANGER DOESN'T MEAN IT WASN'T A RISK YOU IDIOT.
That's not even how his spider sense works
@@TheLowBlow I can pull several instances from the comics where Peter's Spider-Sense operates like that, but I'm sure you'll come up with some excuse to disregard it.
@@BrandontheAwesome you're using whataboutism, it's funny how every spiderman fanboy resorts to whataboutism 😂😂😂
@@TheLowBlowThe low blow?
More like The low blow under SK's desk
Amiright
In defence of the shoe thing, Peter takes his shoes off to cling to walls, I assume his costume Boots are closer to socks than actual shoes. The only criticism really is he could have hid them, but would he be thinking about that then and there?
the shoe thing was honestly just the fact that peter would easily be able to remember later on in the day where it was once he remembered the shoes
This might be the start of the SK cinematic universe
Everytime I hear SK try to "fix" a villains plan it makes me roll my eyes. His fixation on realism with no suspension of belief is boring and I feel like I'm losing brain cells the longer I hear him talk. I bet he's fun at parties.
"it's fiction" or "suspend your disbelief" for the sake of enjoyment doesn't counter criticism, I lost brain cells just from reading your comment
@@TheLowBlow Kid, there are things you have to accept can't hapen in real life in the Marvel and DC universe. God forbid, you actaully watch anything good known to man.
@@TillmanStudios there is some called "in universe logic" since you Spider-Man fanboys have no idea what that means I suggest you go look it up then come back and try to make this cop out argument again.
@@TheLowBlow Actually, how about you follow your own advice? Because you seem to lack any knowledge on how superhero shows work.
22:18 - 24:24 Literally the whole point of the end of the episode is Peter realizing he’s being a crappy friend. He is essentially blacklisted from ever returning to the Connors lab, Eddie hates him and Martha Connors makes it clear she wants nothing to do with him after he chose to cash in on photos of Curt as the Lizard. His actions have consequences that affects his relationships with others. He almost chooses to give up being Spider-Man because of this whole incident until he’s reminded of the good that came out of this: curing Curt and making sure Billy still had his father. He learns to be better and grow as a person through this experience.
Damn, SK is truly the king of bad Spider-Man analyzations
"Because I don't like when someone critiques a show I like"
@@TheLowBlow "Because saying a bunch of nonsense which is instantly debunkable is obviously criticism"
@@tananatana4011 good then you should be able to debunk why the Sandman or the Lizard didn't stab spiderman when they had the chance, why didn't they?
@@TheLowBlow You are aware of how vapid those critiques are, right? I guarantee, there's not a single superhero piece of media where the villain wasn't *this* close to murder the protagonist, the reason they don't is because then it wouldn't be interesting, would it?
They don't survive the inevitable because they are main characters, they are protagonists because they survive the inevitable.
It's a trash critique, there's not a single superhero thing ever that doesn't have that "well villain COULD'VE easily won here" moment, duh, that's to establish that the villain isn't to be fucked around with, but you aren't going to kill off your protagonist.
I suppose I just value good storytelling, characters, development etc. over a show about superheroes being "realistic"
@@tananatana4011 there has been lots of Super Hero media where the Hero comes out on top without any plot armor for your information
SK disliking two of what are regarded by many as the best Spider-Man adaptations just seems like it’s for clicks. I mean it might not be if he genuinely doesn’t like them then that’s fine but it just seems oddly coincidental.
Agreed.
Yup
These two are the best spider-man
It's coincidental that this happens to be the worst Spider-Man cartoon out there, yes.
He’s like J Johna Jameson
@@dante_0962 Forgot to add *if he was right
10:24 S.K. Nitpicks everything yet didn’t realize that the blade goes through a hole that’s already there then turns into a whole different hole
Another thing about his claim with the lizard. If the new york police got a call about a "giant lizard running through the city", in reality, the police would most likely treat it as a prank call of some sort and would most likely dismiss it
It was literally all over the news, just like doc ock being able to casually free roam around without police attention in Spider-Man 2 even though they already know he's real, stop with the awful excuses
@TheLowBlow I'm referring to a situation similar to tasm 1 where Peter tells captain Stacy in person about dr. Connors and even before Peter told him, the pd had gotten calls about the lizard. Stacy was just in denial and wasn't beliv9ng the calls. And continued to do so until lizard almost turn the entire city until lizards.
I feel like something that was a bit dumb that SK never talked about was that fact that Peter was saying Aunt May’s name while Electro was very close. What if Electro had thought “Hey, doesn’t that one kid I work with have an Aunt May?”
Probably couldn't hear through all the commotion, see that would be a nitpick, everything else he said is not even close to being a nitpick people just love to use that as a cop out to avoid criticism
@@TheLowBlow 90% of S.K's "criticisms" is nitpicking. Dude, just knock it off. You have no grounds on which to fight.
@@TheLowBlow you seem to be a pretty staunch SK defender, huh? Can't handle people disagreeing with his shitty takes?
Actually a little correction on that Homecoming nitpick. Peter does suffer because of him abandoning Liz’s party and the decathlon. When Liz mentions that Peter is always disappearing and mentions these occasions on the drive to the prom. This allows the Vulture to figure out Peter’s identity. So Peter may originally just suffered a little bit of his social status at school at first. But in the long run it came back to bite him even harder. Peter going off to stop Vulture’s operations both times and abandoning Liz caused Vulture to find out his identity. Just wanted to point that out
Yeh he still went to go stop the threat regardless about how he feels about it 🤦♀️ "spiderman is not a party trick" how does that go over your head?
@@TheLowBlow Considering he was going to go ahead with it before noticing an explosion? Dude.
@@BrandontheAwesome he was still questioning it and only did it bcz Ned kept asking him, helping a friend is what Spider-Man does
@@theamazingspooderman2697 It's been awhile since I have seen the movie, so I'm a little hazy on some details.
"Theres a reason cinemasins stays away from animated shows"
TV sins: cuz that would be weird and totally out of character, right guys?
lets be glad cinemasins is just an entire satire
I think that what S.K. missed is that Peter’s life is EQUIVALENT to Spider-Man in terms of importance. A lot of the arguments come down to the action, which is usually small things that most people look over.
What matters is the characterization. If I saw a super hero movie that was nonstop 2hrs of suspenseful, top notch action sequences, I would give it a Meh score, because I wouldn’t care enough about the people involved to really care. It’s the characters that give these scenes substance. If the substance is handled really well, then the small errors are easy to glance over.
The biggest problem with the first episode is that Osborn and Vulture somehow managed to do a high speed chase in Manhattan
To be fair a shovel can do a lot of damage with proper edge alignment not to mention the bludgeoning aspect with the flat end
Yeah, I remember reading about a few murders near my area where the murder weapon was a shovel.
Ah yes, cuz you should totally use a shovel on someone you don't have dead to rights when you have guns.
@@JohnDanielRay1 They had a big laser cannon. Firing that thing at a building would cause too much collateral damage and cause too much of a scene.
Bros a madvocate clone except madvocate usually has a point whenever he calls something out. Plus he doesnt really take Valid criticism as hate, he can realize some mistakes while still pointing out faulty arguements
Madvocate isn't great either but but SK sounds like a child imitating his parent the way how he writes his content so similarly to madvocate.
@@cwizardyeh because apparently every critic is a clone 💀🤦♀️
I know this is anecdotal but every time the "Spider-Man sticks something or himself to a ceiling and everyone looses peripheral vision thing" comes up I think about the time I went to a house and there was a massive hole in the ceiling of the front living room and I didn't notice until I was about to leave. And I was there for a good hour or something.
Not really and argument just a funny story.
Most people are a bit surprised when they realize just how often we don’t look up in real life. It’s similar to the ratio of how often you jump in video games as opposed to life.
I'm reminded of I think in one of the Spiderman 1 games forgot which one where the tutorial voice comments on how much the Average New Yorker doesn't look up
I gotta disagree with you on that last part of the video about how mcu Spider-Man doesn’t suffer consequences, when in homecoming like u stated how he quit the team and then came back but literally later in that scene he leaves in the middle of the night to stop the vulture and gets knocked out and trapped inside of a locked vault. Which in turns makes him miss the contest for his team. Which then makes everyone mad at him and then since him and Ned had a whole alien bomb in Ned’s bag it exploded in dc which then puts his friends in danger having spider man to rush from the vault to dc to save his friends. And for far from home well the consequences he gets by trying to stop Mysterio is that mysterio outted his secret identity. Which then in no way home he goes to doctor strange for a spell and obviously if u watch the movie it fails which brings villains from other universes which then Mcu Spider-Man has to stop and not only stop them he tries to cure them. Which his consequences in doing that is aunt may being killed by the green goblin and on top of that having Doctor strange make another spell that makes everyone forget who he is and now literally his whole life as Peter has been taken from him and now he is only left with the spider man identity. Which if u ask me that’s a shitty way to live life
@noirstealth besides that great video bro keep up the great work 👍🏽🙌🏽 def got a sub
Agreed. If anything, he has the most problems.
could have prevented no way home from happening by making everyone forget about mysterio and also giving the colleges admissions department another phone call to plead his case and yet he still finds a way to fuck it all up. he is by far the dumbest spider-man and he deserves to lose aunt may, he had it coming.
@@vineezyproductions9638 yk I can say the same thing ab all Spider-Man and their dumb mistakes….. yk like it’s not part of their character…..so what’s ur argument?
@@Iamkelejr that was far stupid than what any other spider-man did. tobeys spider-man got cheated out of money that was on the ad, andrews spider-man didn’t have a penny. these were honest real mistakes, this guy is just a dumbass. i’m seeing a struggling peter parker financially in 2 iterations and a complete idiot here in the mcu. this is what happens when there’s no uncle ben, he’s a complete idiot.
Never realized vulture went insane until this video. I just thought this was all anger
a combination of both, you have to be kind of insane to suit up in a wingsuit and start flying your boss around new york with your face exposed.
“Cut it, cut it, cut it, cut it”
“Stab him, stab him, stab him, stab him”
Holy fucking shit can’t we just have a compelling fight sequence?
Okay so he cuts the web, then what, Peter will just throw another and we’re back to square one with your ass going “cut it cut it” 🤓
Lizard stabs Peter, what do you want him to die?? Did you forget this was made for kids?? Okay he stabs him, then what? What’s the next course of action? Stabbing him more? No he has to let him go so Peter can win and cure the Lizard. Because the alternative is him dying and Connor’s not being cured which is NOT what you want to happen
Holy shit never let this guy in a writing room I swear to god
sk when he realizes a kids show cant have stabbing 🤯
god and the way he says it is so obnoxious too
@@jefferyandbob3137 I would not be able to watch anything with this guy
They can still make it compelling by have characters actions align with their motivations and means you dense fuck.
No he wants Lizard to actually try to kill him. Did you forget that the 2017 Spider-Man show is made for kids?? Yes. No he doesn't have to do that if they don't make him get the opportunity to easily kill Spider-Man, you're stupid. No that's not the alternative, I just suggested an alternative.
Holy shit never let THIS GUY into a writing room if these are his defenses I swear to god.
Besides, I don’t even know if the Spectacular Lizard has long enough claws to do significant damage. Maybe TASM Lizard, but Spectacular Lizard’s claws are punier than most iterations.
As for Vulture, having the equivalent of an upgraded metal hang-glider on your back doesn’t allow you to do a perfect 180 and slice something stuck behind you. I don’t think SK has ever tried reaching around to grab something on your back. It’s a pain.
I love how he’s got so much to say about The Lizard episode (number 3) and fails to mention that the news article is a copy and paste of the same paragraph from the intro and mentions villains like Shocker, Sandman, Rhino, Doc Ock, Green Goblin and Venom before they’re even introduced
The thing with that
Dr corners episode is that
Spider-Man took too much of his time where he couldn't do a part time job ,which could have held them financially and this problem caused him to make some irrational & selfish desicion
Which very human
And that was indeed a peak spider-man scene
SK doesn't seem to understand this and flat out is removing context that shows why Peter is doing this. He doesn't understand that people can make mistakes and be selfish at times.
In other words, he doesn't understand a damn thing about Spider-Man.
@@JayRedGear yuh
He's being annoying and hypocrital at this point
Okay first of all Peter wouldn't have made a selfish and irrational decision if he was in character in that scene, and even if it was within reason, the episode treats it like he didn't make any mistakes and got punished for doing the right thing when he didn't.
@@JohnDanielRay1 What are you talking about? Taking the photos was a mistake and he suffered the conquenses, the point of the final scene is that he chooses to continuing being spiderman because the city needs it even if peter's life get ruined. Peter has made made irrational decisions in the comics too, even out of anger.
Bro I can destroy SK arguments so easily 1. Peter sets up the photo because at many points throughout the show Peter has shown that he’s trying to win thsi contest might I add contest implying if he doesn’t someone else will and Aunt May can’t afford to lose another possible revenue chain so ofc he’s going to take every chance to win
2. Peter in that moment is being cocky because he believes his plan will work flawlessly he believes he can simply knock the lizard into the drink and feed him the serum. He told Eddie prior to this plan to leave at which point he refused so Peter simply allowed him to do his plan because there was no other way to lure the lizard from his point of advantage in the reptile section to the only point in the zoo where he’s literally weaker and slower
3. The fact Peters name is in the picture could simply be a result of Peter not knowing Jameson would put it in it’s completely within Jamison’s character to leave it out especially when he doesn’t think any wrong doing could come from it.
4. What SK can’t fully comprehend and why the final scene is so good is literally Uncle Ben is dead because of Peter and his powers if he never got bit the bills would be paid but because of a random bug bite Peter now has to make money and be Spider-Man and the best way in this situation for him to do that while saving the day is to take the picture of him saving people. From a moral standpoint there’s nothing wrong especially when he believes and is capable of saving Eddie which he did before any harm could come saving Billy and curing Connor’s which might I add he literally created the very idea for the antidote as Peter Parker as well. He did nothing wrong from his point of view so it’s in character for Peter to try and cash in and get some reward for his powers and this is why it’s a big Spider-Man moment. He’s trying to “do both” and it blows up in his face because for him to get that picture and save the day are diametrically opposed outcomes. Either he saves Connor’s and Peter doesn’t get the photo or he gets the photo and Peter risks allowing his friends to get hurt or die. He did both and it still didn’t work which is Perfectly Spider-Man. SK doesn’t engage with Spider-Man media or any Media from a standpoint of character motives or human beliefs all he does is think what he would do to solve a problem with his benefit of hindsight and then judge characters in that situation
33:05
This one really gets me because Tobey Peter did literally the exact same thing in Spider-Man 1. As a matter of fact I'm pretty sure that's what this scene is BASED ON. Spectacular takes VERY heavy cues from the Raimi movies.
Yeh and that doesn't make it ok incase you didn't know
@@TheLowBlow Dude, taking cues from other media is okay if done well. And guess what? This show does it REALLY WELL.
@@BrandontheAwesome if you're a "spiderman rider" of course you'll say "it does it REALLY WELL"
@@TheLowBlow Because they did a great job adapting the material. A shame you can't see brilliant writing.
@@BrandontheAwesome you literally gloss over problems in writing by saying "it's fiction" 💀 who are you to say what a brilliant writing is when you make fanboy arguments like that 🤦♀️🤣 fanboys accept everything, I'm not a fanboy like you
Half the things about vulture you can debunk by just showing the clip of crazy Dave saying “because I’m CRAAAAZYYYY!!”
I could never be in the same room with this guy and talk about or debate ANYTHING without me blowing up, I swear...
You can’t debate with smart people because they can answer with good response. But you can’t argue with a stupid person who answers with stupid logic and refuse to admit it.
@@dante_0962 what stupid logic did he use besides the stupid logic in this show?
@@TheLowBlow “why doesn’t this fictional character in a kids show stab spider-man”
-SK
@@dante_0962 you can't take criticism for crap that's literally Valid criticism 💀 dude the villains in universe don't give a crap about this, Sandman isn't thinking to himself "uh oh this is a kids show, better not stab spider-man"
@@TheLowBlow No, but the thing is, the writers are restricted from doing certain things because of a little thing called, oh what's the word, CENSORSHIP. What, are you gonna complain Spidey doesn't get stabbed in literally any other cartoon? Heck, going by S.K.'s logic, all superhero cartoons suck because the villain never kills the hero even when they have the chance. A) They aren't gonna kill off the main hero and B) Some villains aren't cold-blooded killers.
14:52 I have to point this out. From what can be seen, he reaches as soon as he noticed that it fell. People have and will commit basic actions without thought, or without processing fast enough to stop. That’s probably what happened, he was focusing on what he was working on
15:07 no but some kid who's at a science presentation gets bit by a radioactive spider and gets spider powers is completely normal
In universe it is normal, unlike everything else in this show
@@TheLowBlow So getting spider powers is okay, but flying men, people being more durable, supervillain teamups, stuff like that crosses the line? Dude, have you ever read a comic book?
i hope i aint the only one getting a headache from SK just repeating the word "stab him" over and over
I think is funny
Yeah, gets on my nerves real quick.
at 22:40 you don’t even mention the fact that peter wasn’t even setting up his camera angle. he said he was looking for a spot to knock the lizard into the water. exclaiming that the dome had the “perfect angle”
9:25 that weapon is most likely something based on a monks spade or a crescent moon shovel spear. The Crescent Moon Spade's versatility allows its master to hook, stab, scoop, sweep, smack and chop at opponents using techniques from spear, staff, broadsword, and trident fighting styles. The crescent blade was added to the opposite end to push away animal predators by the neck without killing them. Fancy Dan doesn’t have that. He only has the side meant for killing which fallows the “squashing” part of their deal.
I absolutely love how he uses MCU Peter as the model for a lot of his arguments, when that's easily one of the most different takes on Spider-Man.
Espically since SK has stated in the past he hates MCU Peter
@@skibot9974what Spider-Man tales does he like?
@@autobotproductions1244 it seems to only be the 90s show, the Rami Trilogy, Insomniac’s Miles Morales and the Spiderverse films
@@skibot9974 good to know. Thanks
@@skibot9974 yeh he's using MCU Peter as examples of what he did better than Spectacular in the same situatio, if MCU Peter was able to get something right that Spectacular spiderman failed at then that says something about this version of Spider-man, it has nothing to do with disliking MCU Peter that's just being biased, but that's what spiderman fans are anyways
The part where he said Spiderman isn’t a party that trick and then goes to fight off a bad guy, that scene was Peter about to use Spider-Man as a party trick. He even rehearses what he wants to say when he crashes the party as Spider-Man
The problem with S.K.’s video is that he’s trying to use the Madvocate flash approach of criticism but with an actual good show
@eoa-gw8unt’s not only that but SK is expecting Spider-Man to have super speed or have all the time in the world to think about a situation before or during it
The reason the flash doesn’t get any excuse is because with superspeed even if he was an average person he would have all the time in the world to think about the situation or not at all be challenged by anyone who isn’t as fast as him
Being the flash is an easy job it’s not even funny as the only reason he loses is because he turns into an idiot with his enemies taking advantage of that
If the villains were smart they find a way to get past his superspeed and if flash was smart he wouldn’t given them a second to plan run away or even a thought to come out
The flash show only has very few moments were it makes sense given other people with superspeed a certain situation where the villain did outsmart them or their powers make super speed irrelevant but those are few and far between
So correct me if I'm wrong but what I'm hearing from what S.K is saying is he is basically "WHY ARE YOU ACTING LIKE AN ACTUAL PERSON! I DON'T WANT THAT I WANT PERFECTION!" I don't know is that in the ballpark or what?
The “stab him stab him stab him” or “shoot him shoot him shoot him” is so annoying haha
The most infuriating thing of this video is how the show, for kids, easily and VERY CLEARLY presents you with Villains NOTABLY INSANE, and then he goes: "Why are the INSANE Villains taking INSANE decisions? Why?? They shouldn't act INSANE"
"Why is he doing that? He shouldn't that, it doesn't make sense!" There is so many WHY's but absolutely No thinking of his part to make the questions he have make sense.
Vulture obviously wasn't insane when he made that tech, he had to have thought rationally otherwise he could have made a mistake while building it like his flight being delayed and him falling to his death so he definitely wasn't insane
Electro wasn't insane because he was able to ask for a cure normally before even giving Curt the chance
Sandman wasn't insane for obvious reasons
Rhino wasn't insane he's just not smart
So what's up with the awful "insane" excuse?
@@TheLowBlow Just because he's smart enough to make his own tech doesn't automatically mean he can't make poor decisions or think rational all the time.
@@JayRedGear true you're right, but that logic only applies to outside of making his tech, if he's making his tech he needs to think rationally, anything could go wrong if he's not thinking carefully, obviously he wasn't thinking at all since he didn't even think to give himself a mask
@@TheLowBlow You ever heard of a thing called mad scientist? Or a smart person with an ego the size of Jupiter? Even smart people can think irrationally and for Vulture's case, it's very clear that he wants credit for his creations and wanted it to be publicly known which is why didn't wear a mask.
This sk guy sounds disturbingly like cinemasins, and that makes me disregard this dudes opinion 10 times more
All through the first episode, Peter is shown to be overconfident since he's new to being Spider-Man. So if they were to think about for a few seconds, these scenes make a lot of sense.
What really wierds me out about the nitpick of Spider-Man taking a call with Aunt May while fighting Electro is that this is an actual plot-point from the Lee-Ditko run on 616 Spider-Man. Peter handles it the same, he's in the middle of fighting some mobsters, so he locks himself in the other room, makes a casual call to Aunt May, and continues his fight. They frame it similarly, too, it's meant to be comedic.
Actually, y'know what, it happened again. Another one of the criticisms was just a factor of Peter's character FROM the comics. In Ultimate Spider-Man (the original) Peter DOES use his powers to play sports. Peter's a part of the Midtown High basketball team for a bit in Ultimate. If memory serves, Peter comes to the same conclusion here as he does in the comics, too, not necessarily that it would give his identity away, but also that it's unfair
You presented your points very well
And I really appreciate how respectful you were in this response
Really good stuff👏👏👏
As spiderverse put it best, "being Spider-man is a sacrifice"
holy shit, this is some fine debunking. very good video bro.
too bad sk debunked this video already
@@TheLowBlow Too bad S.K.'s debunk sucked and only served to prove that S.K. can't handle criticism to save his pathetic life.
SK can say all he wants about Spectacular Spider-Man, but he cant deny that the theme song slaps
FACTS.
@illuminoubshell So if Batman fell from space and survived you'd be fine with it just because it happened in the comics?
@@TheLowBlow Dan Slott's comics are not the greatest, Spectacular was based mostly on the original Stan Lee run.
20:02 does s.k think the cops would believe a caller saying
Random new Yorker: ay there is a 8 foot tall lizard man fighting Spider-Man and they're going to the Bronx
Mauler clones when they criticize something people actually like and realize it doesn't work
SK is sure is a toxic dude when it comes to Spider-Man media and acting like he's the intellectual.
How?
I don't know but he's videos do seem like pure autism.
@@FazeRustyNuts I had argument with him about Spider-Man NWH and then when I stopped debating with him and they still attacked me about the argument.
He multiple times said I didn’t said that to Colin like if he was mixing and twist words. And then SK says something else even though that’s not what he actually said. And he never says sorry for phrasing words in a certain that can be viewed against what he actually says.
@@dante_0962 But still SK can be a real hard ass and doesn't admit that some of his points in Insomniac Spider-Man were wrong. But yeah this whole debate about a fictional character like Spider-Man is getting outta of hand.
Ok I genuinely think this guy gets off on criticising Spider-Man content that is loved worldwide.
I genuinely think you can't handle criticism of spiderman content
@@TheLowBlow I didn’t make the fucking video 💀
Commented this on Colins video, so imma comment something similar here since my same thoughts apply to this Spectular Spider-Man review
(Also disclaimer: random Breaking Bad spoiler far below, so tread with caution.)
These Cinemasin or Madvokate channels seem to always expect a character to being 100% aware of everything their doing, do the right decision, and just think characters having a flaw or doing the wrong thing is bad writing
Which... The whole point of writing a story is about characters having flaws? Name any story, literally any kind of story (Spider-Man, Batman, Borderlands, Kirby etc) and a majority of that story or a characters decisions, story and arc happen because of wrong decisions that either make them grow as a person or acts as their downfall depending on the character.
If we had stories where, again, characters are completely 100% aware of what theyre doing with zero character flaws, then there flat out wouldn't be any kind of stories that wouldnt last past maybe 5 minutes.
And the whole appealing to reality thing is ridiculous. I can understand its fun to to talk about comic stuff from a reality perspective
But its just that... Fun, not to act as a legitimate criticsm. While it would be a fair criticism for a series thats blatantly tied to a form of reality (such as breaking bad, a common bit of criticism coming from a plane person getting drugged and that somehow causing a plane crash.)
Aka, not for a series where a boy gets spider powers from an irradiated spider, or a guy getting super speed by getting struck by friggin lightning
Obviously for stuff like Marvel, DC, Darkhorse etc you have to suspend some form of disbelief. Its not gonna be completely realistic in terms of stuff happening and its not really supposed to.
In terms of this form of criticism, I feel like it should be based around the shows, movie, comics etc own reality rather than our own. For example, Spider-Man has a standard amount of abilities (super strength, agility, spider sense etc), but going beyond those capabilities or introducing a random new power (like uhh... Idk, creating spider shaped spot portals?) without any elaboration for how he can do those things would be pretty fair criticisms
But guess its easier to critique a character falling from a kinda high height or the bad guy trying to immediately kill in a kids comics show that's known for having several long fights *shrugs*
Madvocate is way better, though, especially since the character he’s criticizing is pretty much a god who can’t catch normal crooks, and his main villains are supposed to be some of the smartest men alive.
@@azaanimations319 Never said Madvokate was bad, I think a bit of the opposite for the most part
His content can be entertaining, and he makes a fair bit of good points against CW Flash. I do think the writing can be repetitive, but that's more me not being a fan of the cinemasins type content.
However, I do still think Madvokate isn't completely free from my points. As while his points for later seasons of The Flash is fair, for stuff like Season 1 he doesn't really account that Barry was heavily inexperienced with stuff like combat and his powers.
19:18 did something get cut out in this segment? It goes from S.K talking about how the next episodes are worse to you criticizing a point he made about Dr Conners being hasty about the lizard formula, without showing him talking about the point he made?
Sk watched madvocates the flash videos and tried to do it himself... with a character who is known to not understand what he is doing.
Sk seems like he’s trying too hard to be Madadvocate for Spider-Man
SK needs to learn thar not every person is a super genius and is perfect and a quick thinker, and that nitpicks (which are almost all his criticism) don’t make a show a disaster
Yeh but spiderman is incase you forgot 💀
@@TheLowBlow Spider-Man is the most human of all superheroes. So he makes mistakes. It's part of his character.
@@TheLowBlow so? He’ not perfect, Sks criticism is just “he made a mistake” it’s natural
@@BrandontheAwesome you're right spiderman does make mistakes, but there's a difference between making mistakes outside of your character and making mistakes that are within your character, for example, if Spider-Man tries to freeze a symbiote (like he did in this show) then that's a out of character mistake, Peter studies science, so he should know how cold space is, so why in the world would he think freezing the symbiote would work when it can easily survive in a environment like space? anyone who supposedly studies science would know that wouldn't work, they teach us this in school, with that information, you are more smarter than this Peter Parker
@@BrandontheAwesome you're right spiderman does make mistakes, but there's a different between making mistakes outside of your character and making mistakes that are within your character, for example, if Spider-Man tries to freeze a symbiote like he did in this show then that's a out of character mistake, Peter studies science, so he should know how cold space is, so why in the world would he think freezing the symbiote would work when it can easily survive in a environment like space? anyone who supposedly studies science would know that wouldn't work, they teach us this in school, with that information, you are more smarter than this Peter Parker
The only criticism I've ever had for spectacular Spider-Man and this was when I was like eight was that it got to plot points way to slowly but then I watched it a couple years ago and realized oh wait I was just consistently getting reruns of the same like four episodes that's why they felt so long-winded.
32:00 are we forgetting Peter losing the suit and Tony’s respect having to earn both back?
Or even Peter losing his chance with Liz because he had to stop the vulture
Well first off losing the suit shouldn’t have been that big of a deal given peter shouldn’t think he is nothing without it
And if anything tony should lose Peter’s respect since he is doing the same thing he was doing before iron man 1 ignoring the fact dangerous weapons on your watch are getting into the wrong hands and not bothering to take care of it(leaving it to the fbi while fine imagine if something went wrong and they all died it be on tony)
As for Liz, if Peter actually cared to pursue her he would stay in contact with her
Long distance or say they will be together some day(just because someone moves away doesn’t mean you still can’t have a relationship in the future)
Basically these consequences aren’t really consequences when you look at them
Because if Peter actually understood he has superpowers to begin with he wouldn’t think he is nothing without a suits
If he knew anything about tony he call him out on not actually caring even if he did listen
He would try to be in a relationship with Liz despite moving away or try to stay in contact if he cared
Basically non of this is actually in-depth or something that is detrimental because with a little extra brain thought you realize most of this falls flat on it’s face
@@ATalesTruth- fair point on the first but I highly doubt Liz would want anything to do with Peter after diryching her at prom. As far as she’s aware Peter was pranking her by claiming her and levaing
@@skibot9974 not really given Liz had 0 problems saying “what are you sorry about” after the fact
Basically saying peter ditching her multiple times was not at all a problem
If she got mad at him after her father was put away because not only did Peter ditch her the same night but her father is in jail adding onto emotional distress
But none of the sort happened basically she was ok with him doing what he did not once addressing it as a problem in a relationship way(the only time that’s mentioned is when he missed the decathlon but only for the decathlon not because of their relationship)
Basically there was no problem with peter ditching her apparently
Meaning if he did actually want to keep in touch with her and all that he could
The door wasn’t closed just because she left
Meaning her and him no longer being a thing is just to say peter didn’t actually think anything about her other than he like her
If it was love differently story right
For instance by that logic just because mj in no way home even if she remembered Peter had to go to a different college does that mean they will no longer be together
If they actually care distance wouldn’t be a problem especially in this day of age(in the past maybe but today unless your an unfaithful prick and are on a long distance relationship, there shouldn’t be any problems beyond not being physically in the same room)
@@ATalesTruth-well said
The problem with this guy is the fact that he expects a cartoon show to follow real life facts, obviously in any form of media the villain is going to show his presence, obviously then villain is going to be perfectly smart every time he enters a scenario, I don’t get what he would want to even watch