this is so validating. I'm sick of reading the denials. it's not just the salute, it's what he's saying, tweeting and also he didn't apologise or explained this. BECAUSE HE DOESN'T CARE. HE MEANT TO DO IT. you covered everything, especially THE RAGE, watching it makes me so uncomfortable because of that extreme rage. terrifying. he does it with more rage than Hitler. no joke
yeah, if it was a 'mistake' he would have said sorry and he didn't mean it that way etc. etc. but he's doubling down on 'stupid dems/libs' my advice to everyone in this country is to stop normalizing these things because the more it's normalized the more acceptable it will be and then you move into radical territory exactly what hitler did, it didn't start of extreme.. it was slowly over time normalized until people couldn't even realize how radical they have gotten... how inhuman and lacking of any empathy
@@kristine4949it’s all part of the plausible deniability that the far right is using to get their ideas and symbols to become more mainstream. It’s nasty stuff and it really doesn’t help when moderate conservatives continue to defend those actions.
@kristine4949 he's not 7 years old on roblox. He's a grown man in power doing seig Heil in front of a cheering crowd. Whiles he supports the far right in Germany. And his buddy Trump who says they won't help protect their ally if putin attacks us. I question if America are still our allies , because it feels like we're being betrayed and thrown to the wolves as a sacrificial lamb. And it's supposed to be funny? Whiles we have to buy bags to shit in because of a potential WW3??? They made their intentions clear.
@@Docchop1000 Jew here. Anyone throwing that word Nazi around and calling people Nazis. Go to hell ! You don't even know what a real Nazi is obviously....
Yeah. It’s sad seeing the mainstream press has already started to engage in anticipatory consent to the fascists. It’s making me pessimistic especially if the oligarchy gets even more serious about clamping down on meaningful discourse. Even talking about this topic has been difficult because of things like auto moderation that remove comments simply because they contain certain words.
So when the left PM in France, Macron does the exact same gesture, what do you guys say then? It doesn't count on the left? Engage your double think and let me know!
@@Yattayatta Dude, Macron did NOT make the exact same gesture. Also Macron is NOT on the left. Seriously, get some real education and stop discussing things you don't have any clue about, until you got some actual understanding of things.
@@NKA23 Macron is center left, why do you think Marine Le Pen is considered right? But I can see you are a lefist, because everything right of Stalin is "right wing" right? Lastly, find me a clip of Hitler putting his open hand on his chest before raising his arm (which should stay raised by the way) to prove this is a Nazi salute. Because that is not how the Nazis did it. Or are you saying Hitler didn't know the Nazi salute? It's only now been perfected?
If you want to understand Elon, three facts help. 1) His father named him after the supreme leader of Mars in the fictional book written by Nazi scientist Werner von Braun. 2) he has made 1) the main source of his personality for his entire life, including hero worship of von Braun and all that entails. 3) 4chan is the secondary source of his personality.
Per NASA website: Dr. Wernher von Braun (1912-1977) was one of the most important rocket developers and champions of space exploration in the twentieth century.
Musk is deeply insecure. All of this is to make himself look good to the people who like him, which aren’t acts of LOVE. Remember people aren’t good or bad, we are either acting/doing out of love or hate Musk wants attention for the wrong reasons He loves money and whiteness and attention and power
@@tk70707hey, do you know how the word "and" works? You should since you used it in your comment, but I'll give you a refresher. "And" is inclusive of both the previous and next statements. As used in your comment, he was both a rocket developer AND a champion of space exploration, yes? Similarly, he was both an aerospace engineer AND a member of the Nazi party. Do you understand?
Yess, Humberto! I loved that initial breakdown. Because there are people who genuinely don’t understand why this matters. Which blows my mind, considering how much wealth, power and influence this guy has
I think blaming it on his autism or ketamine use is not a good enough excuse for his behavior anymore. It wouldn't shock me if he did it as a dare or something to impress his 4 chan buddies, thinking it would be funny because he really does have the mentality of a teenage boy. As bad as I felt for him in the deep dive highlighting his severe bullying, he really should grow the hell up. If MAGA people are even put off by his antics, that speaks volumes. But I think as long as his loyalists continue to enable his trolling behavior, I doubt he will change. I agree his lack of insight will only contribute further to his inevitable downfall.
I'm autistic, it's extremely hurtful for people to bring autism up as a reason for this. Our community has been extremely vocal that that is absolute horse cr@p, it's nothing to do with autism.
The sigh of relief hearing from a sane person that this is reality. I mean then the existential dread kicks in but it was a second of phew I haven’t completely lost it yet, but omg why is this life.
Short answer "ur hella dumb" Long answer "you're delusional and a jealous leftist extremist that trivialise real nazis by spamming it on anything you don't like or understand"
Elon Musk is named after a Mars colonist character ”The Elon” in a sci-fi novel ”The Mars Project” written by famous Nazi and rocket engineer Wernher von Braun, the man behind the V2 rocket. Musk’s own maternal grandfather was an active Hitler supporter who moved to South Africa because he believed in Apartheid. He was a conspiracy theorist and anti-vaxxer. He founded Technocracy Inc, an anti-democracy movement. Elon’s official title at Tesla isn’t CEO but ”Techno King”. Yes, Elon Musk was raised a Nazi and has always been a Nazi. He bought Tesla to profit from government subsidies. He never cared about the environment, and now he’s saying environmental protections have gone too far despite being nowhere near sufficient.
Did your parents, relatives or friends own Hitler's "people's car?" Contemporarily known as Volkswagen? My psychiatrist has a Volkswagen. She, like me, is on the left.
Thank you so much for this! As someone who lives in Europe, and knows the history very well, I’ve been both shocked and appalled by many Americans denial of what we all clearly saw. The mental gymnastics to try and justify this very evil gesture is shocking to say the least. We take this very seriously in Europe, and if he had have done it here, he would’ve been arrested.
Musk does his “gesture” BEHIND THE SEAL OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES! As if the Seal of the Presidency endorses the “gesture”. This too is utterly appalling!!! And the fierceness and determination displayed on his face is completely incongruent with a gesture expressing love. If this was not his intent, and not completely supported by our current President, there would have been Numerous apologies made. But we hear crickets…
Needed something like this more than usual. Just got off the phone with one of my parents who told me that what Elon did was NOT a Nazi salute, he was greeting the crowd and he was gesturing and waving. We went back and forth to the point where they hung up on me (I wasn't mean or nasty at all).
My husband just had a similar interaction with his grandmother yesterday. She saw a post we'd both shared on Instagram of a historical rundown of Hitler (hinting how shockingly similar it is to what we're seeing now) and decided to text him a collage of Obama, Harris, Hillary Clinton, etc "doing the salute." He tried to gently explain the differences in both the gestures and the context in which they were used, even sent her an article that shows the clips from each moment, and she just stopped texting back after that. 😒 If they admit they're wrong, they have to face the fact that this is the type of administration they wilfully voted into office.
Thank you so much for making this available for everyone to watch. One thing that I have heard is that he chose the symbol X for a very pertinent reason and that it is missing for 90° angles for a very specific reason to hide his antisemitism and so that the X doesn’t outright look exactly like a certain hate symbol I won’t mention here.
3:25 all true, but another important aspect of Nazism and fascism, broadly speaking, is the defence of oligarchic capitalists and the targetting of the labor movement / political left. All of which Musk is also on board with.
Even as an apolitical German I have to admit that what`s going on concerning the shift to the right worldwide is unbearable. It was one of the reasons I emigrated from Germany 25 years ago, the mindset in Europe indicated that outcome already and it`s frightening. It`s not surprising to me Musk nowadays openly shows his ideology, I had this feeling already a long time ago. A small uplifting fact is that in Germany the biggest car dealers are not ordering Tesla cars anymore, they are talking about the "Cyberflop" and some activists projected on the entire front of the Tesla factory (which is very controversial) near Berlin Musks salute with "Heil" (hail) written before his salute picture. Finally some people seem to wake up. To the question why Musk saluted I have the impression it came from a place of a kid, pushing a doorbell: I dared it! I did the big forbidden thing! Sadly it is not only Musk and it`s becoming a scary world on so many levels, but in the end this horror scenario on top is giving me nightmares.
Yes too all of it. Germna here too. And yes he DID look like a kid ringing the doorbell. He looked like he's soaking in attention and validation and he wants to be cool or edgy. And he seemingly supports certain aspects of Naziism otherwise he would clearly publically distance himself. Or he is desperate enough for attention that he also soaks in being associated with Naziism as long as he feels attention is on him. It's scary cuz he seems to be the richest child in the world.
Good on you both on daring to take a side during these times in the US. The fact is a lot of people are behind Trump and Musk, and taking a side is taking the risk of losing an audience
I’m beginning to think it doesn’t matter as much if he’s a Nazi as much as if he’s going to change his behavior and apologize so that he sets a better example for how he wants to show up in the world. His defensiveness is concerning because it seems like he did intend to be offensive. I think that that’s louder than the gesture itself.
It wouldn't matter if he apologized lol.If you aren't aware he is a die hard image board troll, it's almost his whole personality. It's known in those communities that he's associated with nationalists in those spaces. If that's not enough let us count all the times he supported nationalist rhetoric on his own platform, and then deleted it.
I'm having a lot of my own patients come to me this week with safety concerns and so much hopelessness already. I am struggling to help them with this when I am struggling myself!! I'm sort of in shock. If I showed my 2015 self the events of the past week- I literally wouldn't be able to believe it. Definitely a period of disillusionment for my generation (millennial)
Thanks Dr Honda, more hysteria for the right to make fun of. smfh. Dr Honda, Get out of the bubble and go watch Lefties Losing It or something. Go at least know what the rest of the world sees. It’s embarrassing. I learned because I was supporting the UK Royal Family vs Meghan Markle and saw the news via British sources. After that, Dr Honda, do a video on the grooming / rape gangs (which Elon highlighted) and also explore whether when an adolescent takes puberty blockers they lose the ability to ever have an orgasm and worse. These are promoted by the left and hurt children much more than a salute at a rally does. 100,000 rapes of young girls under the watchful eyes of the police who even would send them back with the man, because of identity politics promoted by the left. I’d like to see us on the American left take some responsibility for the damage the rest of the world sees we’ve done with our shallow empathy. As I said in my other comment, I am a lifelong leftist socialist/democrat from a government family in DC, my uncle did in holocaust and I am a narcissistic abuse coach who debunks smear campaigns on Elons platform.
Elon jumped and yelled like a cartoon villain, it was horryfing. Did Trump just promised him he would rule the whole world? His excitement was a slap in our faces.
Wow, this is such a great analysis on all this. Brilliant. For a tightly-edited 2 HOURS. Thank you thank you thank you to you both!! I loved the options/theories presented-- (paraphrasing) he is either dumb, lying, and/or a Nazi. Also loved the "Before Nazis, there weren't Nazis!" & "straight down the middle Nazi shit" & "you dont have to guess, you just have to listen to him."
my question is: how did ANY ONE like this guy? Did we forget CEO's are all sadist sociopaths? RARELY is a CEO a good person or create actual contribution to society. We should never forget Rich people ALWAYS makes life harder for the rest of us. The whole point is figuring out how to do so in order for them to make more money. That's it. THat's the whole game of life to them.
Look- i dont know anything about this guy except tesla references but that was a salute and it did not shock me but it does break my heart. Unfortunately, i had always wondered how hilters regime could take over the way it did. Until the last time trump was in office and i watched the denial of so many the dismissal of trumps words and behaviors that were and are disturbing (and administration and congressmen and senators) and it was sickening to watch. So many systems were damaged the first term. They will be destroyed this term and it will be devastating to our comminity. The headmoventas musk made look like a tight sore neck to me... And boredom. Lastly, people aren't stupid but it is the science response if 'can i prove what he was thinking or feeling? No " that's what the other love to jump in on" see! You cant prove it!! " Like the point itself is rendered moot. Its desturbing. And heartbreaking and anti-humanitarian.
This might be one of your most important videos to date. It was also a hard watch that I did in about 4 segments throughout the day. I am saturated by the barrage of terrible news and terrifying events throughout the US. These are tough conversations but I am glad that you are pointing out something that seems super obvious, but isn't always. Please stay safe. I am scared about what the next few years entail regarding our freedoms of expression and just being in a "free" country.
I’m halfway thru, this is GREAT! I’m dying to hear you address the “autism” excuse but I haven’t heard that one yet or missed it haha they’re really stretching with the excuses! 😂😂
Thankyou for doing such a thorough breakdown. I saw little clips and at first glance I thought it was a bit ambiguous. But with all the context and his history, he deserves to be held accountable.
Just as one autistic person, on the topic of Elon Musk being autistic by his own reckoning - I really don't think we should put up with being associated with Elon Musk any longer. We can't let him drag our community through the mud, by allowing the general public to associate us with him, any more. He is a psychopath. We autists tend to be completely dedicated to the truth, even at our own expense - this individual is the polar opposite; he is clever, he is conniving, he is scheming, he knows exactly what he is doing. I know this is doing to him what we have had done to us for millennia, but...he isn't one of us.
He’s not able to because president of the US since he was not born here (for now, anyway), but he has bought his way pretty damn close. And with allllllllllllll that wealth he has, he cannot buy genuine likability and coolness.
It looks as if he has rehearsed this move many times in front of the mirror, and THIS was his moment.....that's what I thought, too, when I first saw it.
I was afraid checking this video, because i didnt want one more Elon defender. Why do people defend billionaires that harm the planet and they dont care about people?
Conservatives: if you say "mekka lekka hi mekka hiney ho" after doing a Nazi salute, it removes all the Nazi magic and makes it into an inoffensive regular salute
Rogan didn't do it how Musk did it. Rogan had an open hand, Musk had a closed hand thumb tucked in. When you do it yourself it feels terrible. Rogan knows.
I was really trying to understand why Elon would think this is a politically expedient thing to do and so at first I was incredulous. But the man in chronically online and loves trolling: so he probably thought this would be funny, to give it to the woke libs with a legitimate Nazi salute. But also with all things Elon, the things he likes to "play" with and imagine he has creative distance from, he actually just becomes and is: this was a trolling, legitimately white supremacist action.
-grandpa the man with the mustache in this photo who is it?? -hitler a very bad man -why are you standing in front of him and holding your hand so strangely?? -because I tell him stop you are a bad bad man
Dr. Honda, perhaps now you may want to also address the importance of Palestine & the psychology of zionism. Since we are talking about this specific "salute", there can be a conversation about how n4zis may have been taken down but a new holocaust began on Arab land and the biggest concentration camp was created by z1on1st jews, which is Gaza and how our taxes are funding so much carnage. I think there is something that can be said from a psychology perspective to educate viewers.
100% but just a warning there have been comments here talking about the anti-zionist perspective that have gotten hidden or deleted even when they censored their comments. it seems really disingenuous to only cover one side... he must talk about the anti-zionist perspective which is integral in this discussion and anything having to do with Israel/Palestine. he needs to look at the actual history, not the revisionist history. Palestinian liberation is intertwined with Jewish safety. sigh I'm really disappointed in Kirk.
Ironic-- calling Elon a Nazi while spouting antisemitic filth. You people are actually insane, supporting Hamas. Let me guess, you support the LGBTQ community? Yet in Palestine, they would literally be executed, while Israel celebrates Pride. You people have lost your ever loving minds. I can not even begin to imagine the cognitive dissonance you must experience.
@@Sapphires_And_Dreams 1. gay marriage is still illegal in Israel but gay divorce is legal 2. ISIS, Taliban, other Jihad groups =/= H group; the first groups is for killing the west and anti-womens rights, anti-LGBTQI2A+ (actual terrorism), the other is resisting their occupation/colonizers after having generational trauma from 75+ years of colonization.This is why ISIS and H group are actually enemies. Obviously H group is not the ideal leader but the only reason they exist in the first place is because of the multi-generational trauma from their constant dispossession/erasure starting from even earlier than the 1948 Nakba, and because of the inconvenient truth that Netanyahu propped them up cause it's beneficial to Israel's agenda of annexation. go watch about it on Last Week With John Oliver 3. there are members of the queer community in Gaza I cannot even begin to imagine the brainwashing you must experience by constantly dehumanizing and seeing Palestinians as subhuman. In dehumanizing Palestinians, you dehumanize yourself.
So refreshing to see genuine commentary on this, the lying about what he did has been awful. It's beyond obvious, he did it with his hand and he did it with his face too!!!!
I’m a HUGE fan of yours from South Africa. Even though I do not necessarily like or align with the man who is the topic of the day…but I always listen to when you speak about him because then I hear you speak about South Africa and yall pronounce apart-heid in such a fancy English way. The original word is Afrikaans and therefore sounds a lot more unkind and violent when we and all locals say it. Anyway! Thanks guys for this podcast- I have been taking care of myself because I deserve it. I really really do.
THANK YOU. The gaslighting has been infuriating. Dr. G and Pop Psych did no research and little research, respectively. How little respect must they have for their audiences? And lack of respect is the best case scenario. And as an autistic woman, I am furious at the ASD referencs.
Good video!! Silly comment then serious question: 1. I don't think we should want anyone to be Tony Stark (MCU). Tony's trauma leads to a lot of cataclysmic events despite having good intentions. Should be taken as a reminder that no one should have that power. 2. Given how traumatized Musk, and other powerful people are, how should we be approaching their actions? I know calling them names isn't getting anywhere, though it feels good. Should we be (respectfully) guiding them as an adult might guide a teenager?
Umberto always makes very good cynical points. I love the chemistry between you two. I actually had not seen the clips in question until I came across this video. I think if you don't think it's at minimum odd or weird that's flat out denial of reality. To me, personally, it looks pre-planned. Kamala? She looks caught up in the moment. And maybe he's caught up in the moment too but I find it very interesting the difference in their facial expressions. I think I'm seeing righteous indignation or anger versus -- I don't know what to call it but "owning you" kind of vibes. Any that's my yap.
Ayrans are not white with blue eyes. Ayrans are brown skin and black hair mostly. Natzis stole some random symbols and meaning and made a movement of of this. Swastika is symbol of the sun from india. They needed to come up with some nonsense fast i guess. Also hitler is Austrian not german.
@@RETRO.flame.-s5n nazi*sm is based on made-up symbols in order to influence large groups of people effectively. Totalitarian regimes rely on narratives which convince the population. It has nothing to do with facts and truth. The more lies there are in a totalitarian propaganda narrative, the better it works. Paradoxical but true.
Telling people the in-group is superior and the out-group is inferior due to some apparently perceptive flaw underlies all periods of human development. Be it skin colour, country of origin, tribe, religion or political belief. It's the same form of discrimination repackaged. You can debate a wrong use of a term, or it not perfectly fitting a definition... but this is a gesture used to portray the victory of a superior group, plain and simple, shown at a political event.
@@RETRO.flame.-s5n All im saing is that Natzi "Ayrans" are not Ayrans from Iran or Rik Veda. All im saying. I dont want to get to in grup or out grup stuff. In grup always win and racism is real, dont want to argue that, this is simple.
this is such a pointless questions. whether Musk is a nazi doesn't matter. what matters is if he's appealing to nazis and whether nazis believe he's on their side, and it's big yes to both of those.
this is so validating. I'm sick of reading the denials. it's not just the salute, it's what he's saying, tweeting and also he didn't apologise or explained this. BECAUSE HE DOESN'T CARE. HE MEANT TO DO IT. you covered everything, especially THE RAGE, watching it makes me so uncomfortable because of that extreme rage. terrifying. he does it with more rage than Hitler. no joke
yeah, if it was a 'mistake' he would have said sorry and he didn't mean it that way etc. etc. but he's doubling down on 'stupid dems/libs'
my advice to everyone in this country is to stop normalizing these things because the more it's normalized the more acceptable it will be and then you move into radical territory
exactly what hitler did, it didn't start of extreme.. it was slowly over time normalized until people couldn't even realize how radical they have gotten... how inhuman and lacking of any empathy
He calls himself a troll. Says he’s a troll at heart. He did this on purpose AND he’s feasting off the controversy
@@kristine4949it’s all part of the plausible deniability that the far right is using to get their ideas and symbols to become more mainstream. It’s nasty stuff and it really doesn’t help when moderate conservatives continue to defend those actions.
exactly. its a dogwhistle. he spoke in germany recently and said their culture has been diluted by multiculturalism. its very obvious what he is
@kristine4949 he's not 7 years old on roblox. He's a grown man in power doing seig Heil in front of a cheering crowd. Whiles he supports the far right in Germany. And his buddy Trump who says they won't help protect their ally if putin attacks us. I question if America are still our allies , because it feels like we're being betrayed and thrown to the wolves as a sacrificial lamb. And it's supposed to be funny? Whiles we have to buy bags to shit in because of a potential WW3??? They made their intentions clear.
He JUST spoke at an AFD (Alternative fur Deustchland) rally. It's definitely a Nazi salute. It is absolutely deliberate and intentional.
you're spreading propaganda. To say its definitely something is pure BS.
@@Docchop1000 Jew here. Anyone throwing that word Nazi around and calling people Nazis. Go to hell ! You don't even know what a real Nazi is obviously....
@@Docchop1000 virtue signaling
He is just sickening.
@ and you're a bot.
oh boy, I appreciate so much that you addressed this, with NO ambiguity.
Me too! I see a lot of people are having a difficult time accepting what has happened in the comments.
Yeah. It’s sad seeing the mainstream press has already started to engage in anticipatory consent to the fascists. It’s making me pessimistic especially if the oligarchy gets even more serious about clamping down on meaningful discourse. Even talking about this topic has been difficult because of things like auto moderation that remove comments simply because they contain certain words.
Really glad this isn't a members-only episode!
Preach!
Yes! This!
I’m a member and I agree. Thank you!!
I genuinely thought this was going to be a 3 second video of you just saying yes, but a longer video saying yes is good too.
10/10 comment
🤣 10 min max.
Thank the lord for this take. I’ve been losing my mind dealing with family members who are denying reality
RIGHT!!
@@Madeligned Hopefully this video will convince the ADL.
So when the left PM in France, Macron does the exact same gesture, what do you guys say then? It doesn't count on the left? Engage your double think and let me know!
@@Yattayatta Dude, Macron did NOT make the exact same gesture. Also Macron is NOT on the left. Seriously, get some real education and stop discussing things you don't have any clue about, until you got some actual understanding of things.
@@NKA23 Macron is center left, why do you think Marine Le Pen is considered right?
But I can see you are a lefist, because everything right of Stalin is "right wing" right?
Lastly, find me a clip of Hitler putting his open hand on his chest before raising his arm (which should stay raised by the way) to prove this is a Nazi salute. Because that is not how the Nazis did it. Or are you saying Hitler didn't know the Nazi salute? It's only now been perfected?
The guttural umph is what seals the deal for me. I cant believe he ever fascinated me
Narcissists can often be very charismatic. If someone seems to be ‘fascinating’, always a good idea to question why.
@@Tess78ukElon is charismatic? Lol
Not interested in a two hour movie today, but I’m here for this two hour analysis. Very important conversations, God help us.
omg, thank you!!!! when I said the gesture seemed rehearsed, people were calling me crazy. I feel so redeemed right now!
Thats what echo-chambers do
@skitsnack1 at least I'm not in the echo-chamber that has all the nazis
Yeah, I hadn't seen "rehearsed' as an aspect of this till I watched this, but it's believable now I see it.
If you want to understand Elon, three facts help.
1) His father named him after the supreme leader of Mars in the fictional book written by Nazi scientist Werner von Braun.
2) he has made 1) the main source of his personality for his entire life, including hero worship of von Braun and all that entails.
3) 4chan is the secondary source of his personality.
Per NASA website: Dr. Wernher von Braun (1912-1977) was one of the most important rocket developers and champions of space exploration in the twentieth century.
@@tk70707 My hometown had a civic center named after him. Trust me, I know the history.
Musk is deeply insecure.
All of this is to make himself look good to the people who like him, which aren’t acts of LOVE.
Remember people aren’t good or bad, we are either acting/doing out of love or hate
Musk wants attention for the wrong reasons
He loves money and whiteness and attention and power
4chan 😂😂😂😂
@@tk70707hey, do you know how the word "and" works? You should since you used it in your comment, but I'll give you a refresher. "And" is inclusive of both the previous and next statements. As used in your comment, he was both a rocket developer AND a champion of space exploration, yes? Similarly, he was both an aerospace engineer AND a member of the Nazi party. Do you understand?
Yess, Humberto! I loved that initial breakdown. Because there are people who genuinely don’t understand why this matters. Which blows my mind, considering how much wealth, power and influence this guy has
The middle finger analogy was *chefs kiss* great example!
humberto being SUPER academic this episode. love it! nice to see you fellas together. a really great duo
Same here. Both the deep dive on neo nazis and the deep dive on Elon were super engaging. So I’m really excited to hear this follow up
The glasses are the cherry on top
His line right after his salutes “my heart goes out to you” appears planned to cover expected reaction.
Yes! I thought the same thing! He planned that crap! 😡
Absolutely, he and his supporters are trying to gaslight the rest of us. They know the truth but are pretending not to.
Get a life scrub
Then he says about the future of civilization that is quite revealing. We know what ideology uses terms like that
I think blaming it on his autism or ketamine use is not a good enough excuse for his behavior anymore. It wouldn't shock me if he did it as a dare or something to impress his 4 chan buddies, thinking it would be funny because he really does have the mentality of a teenage boy. As bad as I felt for him in the deep dive highlighting his severe bullying, he really should grow the hell up. If MAGA people are even put off by his antics, that speaks volumes. But I think as long as his loyalists continue to enable his trolling behavior, I doubt he will change. I agree his lack of insight will only contribute further to his inevitable downfall.
He spoke at an AfD rally. That's all you need to know...
@talesofmargaritas oh damn. Didn't know about that one. So cringe
There is absolutely no proof that he has autism. His biographer denied it. He simply self-diagnosed to cover up his dorky behavior.
I'm autistic, it's extremely hurtful for people to bring autism up as a reason for this. Our community has been extremely vocal that that is absolute horse cr@p, it's nothing to do with autism.
@@I_am_not_your_sister agreed
The sigh of relief hearing from a sane person that this is reality. I mean then the existential dread kicks in but it was a second of phew I haven’t completely lost it yet, but omg why is this life.
Short answer.. “yes.” Long answer…”yeeeessss.”
Short answer "ur hella dumb"
Long answer "you're delusional and a jealous leftist extremist that trivialise real nazis by spamming it on anything you don't like or understand"
Elon Musk is named after a Mars colonist character ”The Elon” in a sci-fi novel ”The Mars Project” written by famous Nazi and rocket engineer Wernher von Braun, the man behind the V2 rocket.
Musk’s own maternal grandfather was an active Hitler supporter who moved to South Africa because he believed in Apartheid. He was a conspiracy theorist and anti-vaxxer. He founded Technocracy Inc, an anti-democracy movement. Elon’s official title at Tesla isn’t CEO but ”Techno King”.
Yes, Elon Musk was raised a Nazi and has always been a Nazi.
He bought Tesla to profit from government subsidies. He never cared about the environment, and now he’s saying environmental protections have gone too far despite being nowhere near sufficient.
Did your parents, relatives or friends own Hitler's "people's car?" Contemporarily known as Volkswagen? My psychiatrist has a Volkswagen. She, like me, is on the left.
Fascinating 🧐
I'd say he's proud of that connection in his family
Thank you so much for this! As someone who lives in Europe, and knows the history very well, I’ve been both shocked and appalled by many Americans denial of what we all clearly saw. The mental gymnastics to try and justify this very evil gesture is shocking to say the least. We take this very seriously in Europe, and if he had have done it here, he would’ve been arrested.
Musk does his “gesture” BEHIND THE SEAL OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES!
As if the Seal of the Presidency endorses the “gesture”.
This too is utterly appalling!!!
And the fierceness and determination displayed on his face is completely incongruent with a gesture expressing love.
If this was not his intent, and not completely supported by our current President, there would have been Numerous apologies made.
But we hear crickets…
He's either a nazi, or pretending to br a nazi, and I wonder what the difference is between those 2 options
None .
Any non-nazi person would hate to be seen as one
Sit at a table with three nazis, that table now has 4 nazis.
Like last year when he visited Auschwitz and the right had this exactly discussion, except saying "Elon is bought by the jews!" Oh wait
@@liulwell...john cleese might be an exception.😊
Needed something like this more than usual. Just got off the phone with one of my parents who told me that what Elon did was NOT a Nazi salute, he was greeting the crowd and he was gesturing and waving. We went back and forth to the point where they hung up on me (I wasn't mean or nasty at all).
My husband just had a similar interaction with his grandmother yesterday. She saw a post we'd both shared on Instagram of a historical rundown of Hitler (hinting how shockingly similar it is to what we're seeing now) and decided to text him a collage of Obama, Harris, Hillary Clinton, etc "doing the salute." He tried to gently explain the differences in both the gestures and the context in which they were used, even sent her an article that shows the clips from each moment, and she just stopped texting back after that. 😒 If they admit they're wrong, they have to face the fact that this is the type of administration they wilfully voted into office.
@@hannahshamilton
Denial is the most predictable human response.
Give me your double think on what it means when French PM Emanuel Macron did the exact same salute in the exact same way?
Thank you for not gaslighting us
Thank you dr Honda for speaking out !!!!
Thank you so much for making this available for everyone to watch. One thing that I have heard is that he chose the symbol X for a very pertinent reason and that it is missing for 90° angles for a very specific reason to hide his antisemitism and so that the X doesn’t outright look exactly like a certain hate symbol I won’t mention here.
3:25 all true, but another important aspect of Nazism and fascism, broadly speaking, is the defence of oligarchic capitalists and the targetting of the labor movement / political left. All of which Musk is also on board with.
Humberto looking twice as learned here, and he's already so proficient at so many professions
When you're "throwing your heart to the crowd", I would think your hand would at least be opened with your fingers splayed a little bit
Right! Or flipped upside down!!!! Like, “You! You guys!” Nobody does it palm-down!!!!
Not only that, but he knows the difference. He has thrown his heart to the crowd before. In a proper way and not a sieg heil way.
@@rivercah Yep!!
We do know he is autistic right?
@@aecreative1994Palm up to express, "here's my heart; i'm giving it to you." vs "I just dropped my heart on the floor."
Even as an apolitical German I have to admit that what`s going on concerning the shift to the right worldwide is unbearable. It was one of the reasons I emigrated from Germany 25 years ago, the mindset in Europe indicated that outcome already and it`s frightening. It`s not surprising to me Musk nowadays openly shows his ideology, I had this feeling already a long time ago. A small uplifting fact is that in Germany the biggest car dealers are not ordering Tesla cars anymore, they are talking about the "Cyberflop" and some activists projected on the entire front of the Tesla factory (which is very controversial) near Berlin Musks salute with "Heil" (hail) written before his salute picture. Finally some people seem to wake up. To the question why Musk saluted I have the impression it came from a place of a kid, pushing a doorbell: I dared it! I did the big forbidden thing! Sadly it is not only Musk and it`s becoming a scary world on so many levels, but in the end this horror scenario on top is giving me nightmares.
Yes too all of it. Germna here too. And yes he DID look like a kid ringing the doorbell. He looked like he's soaking in attention and validation and he wants to be cool or edgy. And he seemingly supports certain aspects of Naziism otherwise he would clearly publically distance himself. Or he is desperate enough for attention that he also soaks in being associated with Naziism as long as he feels attention is on him. It's scary cuz he seems to be the richest child in the world.
he also supports radical right wing AfD in Germany.
what makes them radial right wing?
@@Jay-eb7ik um they literally envision two tiers of germans - ethnic germans vs non-ethnic germans... hello
@@juliaabramova4153 They don't, they want to deport criminals and illegals that are not theirs, I think ANY country should want to do that.
@@Jay-eb7ik Fighting child marriage.
It's kinda like how white bed sheets aren't inherently an issue until they actually are. Same goes for outstretched arm gestures.
No one should have this much power at all. And they definitely shouldn’t have this much power without being elected.
and we will call a spade a spade. always.
I hoped you guys would cover this!
Thank you for thoughtfully covering this important issue. Hearing patricians lie has felt like something from 1984.
BERTO definitely shines this episode!! Great job!! They are trying to tell us we didn’t see what we saw, which is extremely disturbing!! 1984 vibes!
A lot of CEOs are either narcissists or sociopaths, that's why they get so successful without deserving it 😅.
Good on you both on daring to take a side during these times in the US. The fact is a lot of people are behind Trump and Musk, and taking a side is taking the risk of losing an audience
the daring left virtue signaling. So brave...
I’m beginning to think it doesn’t matter as much if he’s a Nazi as much as if he’s going to change his behavior and apologize so that he sets a better example for how he wants to show up in the world. His defensiveness is concerning because it seems like he did intend to be offensive. I think that that’s louder than the gesture itself.
It wouldn't matter if he apologized lol.If you aren't aware he is a die hard image board troll, it's almost his whole personality. It's known in those communities that he's associated with nationalists in those spaces. If that's not enough let us count all the times he supported nationalist rhetoric on his own platform, and then deleted it.
I've known he was a white supremacist in some fashion way before he confirmed it in front of the world. Looking forward to this episode.
He’s serving the White House in many capacities so hell yeah you should ask this question!
Yes. Even if he didnt do a nazi salute - he and the nazis were cut from the same cloth.
Thank you for calling it what it was. I’m so tired of seeing headlines saying “Elon musk made a gesture that APPEARED…”
I'm having a lot of my own patients come to me this week with safety concerns and so much hopelessness already. I am struggling to help them with this when I am struggling myself!! I'm sort of in shock. If I showed my 2015 self the events of the past week- I literally wouldn't be able to believe it. Definitely a period of disillusionment for my generation (millennial)
Thanks Dr Honda, more hysteria for the right to make fun of. smfh. Dr Honda, Get out of the bubble and go watch Lefties Losing It or something. Go at least know what the rest of the world sees. It’s embarrassing. I learned because I was supporting the UK Royal Family vs Meghan Markle and saw the news via British sources.
After that, Dr Honda, do a video on the grooming / rape gangs (which Elon highlighted) and also explore whether when an adolescent takes puberty blockers they lose the ability to ever have an orgasm and worse. These are promoted by the left and hurt children much more than a salute at a rally does. 100,000 rapes of young girls under the watchful eyes of the police who even would send them back with the man, because of identity politics promoted by the left. I’d like to see us on the American left take some responsibility for the damage the rest of the world sees we’ve done with our shallow empathy.
As I said in my other comment, I am a lifelong leftist socialist/democrat from a government family in DC, my uncle did in holocaust and I am a narcissistic abuse coach who debunks smear campaigns on Elons platform.
Thank you both for giving us two hours of your thoughts.
It was a visceral gut punch of an experience when I first saw him salute. Trust your gut.
The Elon deep dive was epic!! I never saw him the same after that. I was hoping to see you guys follow up on what's been happening with Elon!
Elon jumped and yelled like a cartoon villain, it was horryfing. Did Trump just promised him he would rule the whole world? His excitement was a slap in our faces.
Love that you covered this!! Love the glasses Humberto!
what he said about the droplet had me locked in
I think he aspires to be one, like the dork wanting to be one of the cool kids, which is somehow even worse.
How is cool to be a Nazi?? Come on guys
Exactly. Same with his buddy Zuckerberg. Just a bunch of nerds looking for revenge
Wow, this is such a great analysis on all this. Brilliant. For a tightly-edited 2 HOURS. Thank you thank you thank you to you both!! I loved the options/theories presented-- (paraphrasing) he is either dumb, lying, and/or a Nazi. Also loved the "Before Nazis, there weren't Nazis!" & "straight down the middle Nazi shit" & "you dont have to guess, you just have to listen to him."
🤣💯
Yes, yes and yes. Elon also grew up in apartheid South Africa...so there's that.
My thoughts exactly
my question is: how did ANY ONE like this guy? Did we forget CEO's are all sadist sociopaths?
RARELY is a CEO a good person or create actual contribution to society.
We should never forget Rich people ALWAYS makes life harder for the rest of us. The whole point is figuring out how to do so in order for them to make more money. That's it. THat's the whole game of life to them.
He just outed the UK covering up 100,000 rapes of girls, for one thing.
The drop in the clear blue water is eugenics.
Look- i dont know anything about this guy except tesla references but that was a salute and it did not shock me but it does break my heart.
Unfortunately, i had always wondered how hilters regime could take over the way it did. Until the last time trump was in office and i watched the denial of so many the dismissal of trumps words and behaviors that were and are disturbing (and administration and congressmen and senators) and it was sickening to watch. So many systems were damaged the first term. They will be destroyed this term and it will be devastating to our comminity.
The headmoventas musk made look like a tight sore neck to me... And boredom.
Lastly, people aren't stupid but it is the science response if 'can i prove what he was thinking or feeling? No " that's what the other love to jump in on" see! You cant prove it!! " Like the point itself is rendered moot.
Its desturbing. And heartbreaking and anti-humanitarian.
This might be one of your most important videos to date. It was also a hard watch that I did in about 4 segments throughout the day. I am saturated by the barrage of terrible news and terrifying events throughout the US. These are tough conversations but I am glad that you are pointing out something that seems super obvious, but isn't always. Please stay safe. I am scared about what the next few years entail regarding our freedoms of expression and just being in a "free" country.
Omg get a life
I’m halfway thru, this is GREAT! I’m dying to hear you address the “autism” excuse but I haven’t heard that one yet or missed it haha they’re really stretching with the excuses! 😂😂
Short answer: yes.
I just want to add that Elon's diablo character was grinding during the inauguration. XD
A meta deep dive that is a collision of 2 previous deep dives 😁
Thankyou for doing such a thorough breakdown. I saw little clips and at first glance I thought it was a bit ambiguous.
But with all the context and his history, he deserves to be held accountable.
Just as one autistic person, on the topic of Elon Musk being autistic by his own reckoning - I really don't think we should put up with being associated with Elon Musk any longer. We can't let him drag our community through the mud, by allowing the general public to associate us with him, any more. He is a psychopath. We autists tend to be completely dedicated to the truth, even at our own expense - this individual is the polar opposite; he is clever, he is conniving, he is scheming, he knows exactly what he is doing. I know this is doing to him what we have had done to us for millennia, but...he isn't one of us.
I'm autistic and I agree 100%
He’s not able to because president of the US since he was not born here (for now, anyway), but he has bought his way pretty damn close. And with allllllllllllll that wealth he has, he cannot buy genuine likability and coolness.
i've never loved Berto more than what he says first in this vid 💛💚
Very interesting take, guys! Thank you.
More content like this!! Thoroughly enjoyed this commentary
It looks as if he has rehearsed this move many times in front of the mirror, and THIS was his moment.....that's what I thought, too, when I first saw it.
Thank you for this Dr Honda! Your work is appreciated ❤️🤍💙
I was afraid checking this video, because i didnt want one more Elon defender. Why do people defend billionaires that harm the planet and they dont care about people?
Yes, why do you even ask?
And I am not using this word lightly.
He’s so racist and destructive, it’s crazy.
This is probably rhetorical, but I think it is good to qualify assertions. That way we're classifying and not name calling.
Conservatives: if you say "mekka lekka hi mekka hiney ho" after doing a Nazi salute, it removes all the Nazi magic and makes it into an inoffensive regular salute
Maybe Eron was bullied because he was such a dbag?
Maybe he wasn't bullied, he was the bully and the other children were just defending themselves from this brat
Have you checked out Elon's maternal grandfather, Joshua N. Haldeman, and his Technocracy ideology?
Yes he was trying to show his people a signal, that now is their time!
Rogan didn't do it how Musk did it. Rogan had an open hand, Musk had a closed hand thumb tucked in. When you do it yourself it feels terrible. Rogan knows.
I was really trying to understand why Elon would think this is a politically expedient thing to do and so at first I was incredulous. But the man in chronically online and loves trolling: so he probably thought this would be funny, to give it to the woke libs with a legitimate Nazi salute. But also with all things Elon, the things he likes to "play" with and imagine he has creative distance from, he actually just becomes and is: this was a trolling, legitimately white supremacist action.
Wow! That was refreshing, beautiful and so interesting, will be sharing with anyone that discusses this topic with me. Thanks Dr H, Berto ❤❤
-grandpa the man with the mustache in this photo who is it??
-hitler a very bad man
-why are you standing in front of him and holding your hand so strangely??
-because I tell him stop you are a bad bad man
Spoiler alert: YES
Dr. Honda, perhaps now you may want to also address the importance of Palestine & the psychology of zionism. Since we are talking about this specific "salute", there can be a conversation about how n4zis may have been taken down but a new holocaust began on Arab land and the biggest concentration camp was created by z1on1st jews, which is Gaza and how our taxes are funding so much carnage. I think there is something that can be said from a psychology perspective to educate viewers.
100% but just a warning there have been comments here talking about the anti-zionist perspective that have gotten hidden or deleted even when they censored their comments. it seems really disingenuous to only cover one side... he must talk about the anti-zionist perspective which is integral in this discussion and anything having to do with Israel/Palestine. he needs to look at the actual history, not the revisionist history. Palestinian liberation is intertwined with Jewish safety. sigh I'm really disappointed in Kirk.
Ironic-- calling Elon a Nazi while spouting antisemitic filth. You people are actually insane, supporting Hamas. Let me guess, you support the LGBTQ community? Yet in Palestine, they would literally be executed, while Israel celebrates Pride. You people have lost your ever loving minds. I can not even begin to imagine the cognitive dissonance you must experience.
@@Sapphires_And_Dreams 1. gay marriage is still illegal in Israel but gay divorce is legal
2. ISIS, Taliban, other Jihad groups =/= H group; the first groups is for killing the west and anti-womens rights, anti-LGBTQI2A+ (actual terrorism), the other is resisting their occupation/colonizers after having generational trauma from 75+ years of colonization.This is why ISIS and H group are actually enemies. Obviously H group is not the ideal leader but the only reason they exist in the first place is because of the multi-generational trauma from their constant dispossession/erasure starting from even earlier than the 1948 Nakba, and because of the inconvenient truth that Netanyahu propped them up cause it's beneficial to Israel's agenda of annexation. go watch about it on Last Week With John Oliver
3. there are members of the queer community in Gaza
I cannot even begin to imagine the brainwashing you must experience by constantly dehumanizing and seeing Palestinians as subhuman. In dehumanizing Palestinians, you dehumanize yourself.
So refreshing to see genuine commentary on this, the lying about what he did has been awful. It's beyond obvious, he did it with his hand and he did it with his face too!!!!
Is he getting away with it though? I think he's been sorted into Slytherin by the Sorting Hat now.
I’m a HUGE fan of yours from South Africa. Even though I do not necessarily like or align with the man who is the topic of the day…but I always listen to when you speak about him because then I hear you speak about South Africa and yall pronounce apart-heid in such a fancy English way. The original word is Afrikaans and therefore sounds a lot more unkind and violent when we and all locals say it. Anyway! Thanks guys for this podcast- I have been taking care of myself because I deserve it. I really really do.
I wish I could upvote this x10 lol
Yes! Next question.
THANK YOU. The gaslighting has been infuriating. Dr. G and Pop Psych did no research and little research, respectively. How little respect must they have for their audiences? And lack of respect is the best case scenario.
And as an autistic woman, I am furious at the ASD referencs.
Thanks for making this.
Good video!!
Silly comment then serious question:
1. I don't think we should want anyone to be Tony Stark (MCU). Tony's trauma leads to a lot of cataclysmic events despite having good intentions. Should be taken as a reminder that no one should have that power.
2. Given how traumatized Musk, and other powerful people are, how should we be approaching their actions? I know calling them names isn't getting anywhere, though it feels good. Should we be (respectfully) guiding them as an adult might guide a teenager?
Umberto always makes very good cynical points. I love the chemistry between you two. I actually had not seen the clips in question until I came across this video. I think if you don't think it's at minimum odd or weird that's flat out denial of reality. To me, personally, it looks pre-planned. Kamala? She looks caught up in the moment. And maybe he's caught up in the moment too but I find it very interesting the difference in their facial expressions. I think I'm seeing righteous indignation or anger versus -- I don't know what to call it but "owning you" kind of vibes. Any that's my yap.
I think he was on K- he said he does that often
So glad youve done this video
Thank you for sharing this, Dr.!
Ayrans are not white with blue eyes. Ayrans are brown skin and black hair mostly. Natzis stole some random symbols and meaning and made a movement of of this. Swastika is symbol of the sun from india. They needed to come up with some nonsense fast i guess. Also hitler is Austrian not german.
What's your point in connection to this video?
@@RETRO.flame.-s5n nazi*sm is based on made-up symbols in order to influence large groups of people effectively. Totalitarian regimes rely on narratives which convince the population. It has nothing to do with facts and truth. The more lies there are in a totalitarian propaganda narrative, the better it works. Paradoxical but true.
@ You mentioned Ayrans in the video
Telling people the in-group is superior and the out-group is inferior due to some apparently perceptive flaw underlies all periods of human development. Be it skin colour, country of origin, tribe, religion or political belief. It's the same form of discrimination repackaged.
You can debate a wrong use of a term, or it not perfectly fitting a definition... but this is a gesture used to portray the victory of a superior group, plain and simple, shown at a political event.
@@RETRO.flame.-s5n All im saing is that Natzi "Ayrans" are not Ayrans from Iran or Rik Veda. All im saying. I dont want to get to in grup or out grup stuff. In grup always win and racism is real, dont want to argue that, this is simple.
His heart goes out to the white supremacists.
Thank you for covering this!
Another incredible and important discussion
I have the same conditions people are using as an excuse for this and it's honestly insulting.
this is such a pointless questions. whether Musk is a nazi doesn't matter. what matters is if he's appealing to nazis and whether nazis believe he's on their side, and it's big yes to both of those.
Watch the video they played on the Tesla factory in Germany.
All nazis are cowards.
Was this recorded before or after the afd speech he gave?
I would guess before but I don't know :)