Big Buddy vs Portable Buddy Cold Weather Field Test
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- Check out this Big Buddy vs Portable Buddy Cold Weather Field Test in Southwest Colorado in November in temperatures that reached 12 degrees (F) at night.
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00:41 Portable Buddy Field Test
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14:34 Opinion after Sleeping 4 Nights in 15 deg. (F)
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As the military says 1 is none and 2 is one. Everything fails, must have alternative ways to stay warm. Very nice review.
Thank you for the comments. I never appreciated an alternate heat source until the sun went down and the temperatures plummeted. Great advice. Thanks.
Rick
One point, the filter is not for dirty fuel but for oil in the rubber hose that is used to hook up the propane 20 lb. tank. This will plug up your heater. The filter is not used with the one pound tanks. Thanx for the trial review. I have 10x10 springboard. Great tents!
Thanks for the great advice and information. I'm using the quick connect hose with the regulator now. Thanks.
Rick
It's not the fuel that is "dirty", it's the hose that can leach oil. The Mr Heater 10" hose is specially designed to not leach contaminates and does not require a filter.
I appreciate the information. I'm now trying to confirm if my quick connect hose, with the regulator, is from Mr. Buddy. Thanks for the heads up and information.
Rick
@@campingwithmikenrickoutdoors I believe that 12' hose is OK to use also because it is regulated at the tank (I have one just like yours). It's the high pressure hoses (no regulator at the tank) that are the problem. It's the high pressure that sweeps the oil into the Buddy Heater causing problems.
The manual has a small section on this topic that gives you correct part numbers. Their website is also a good source of info.
The ONLY hose that is made of material that does not leach oil is the "Mr Heater 10" hose".
Perfect! Thank you.
Rick
Having camped in a small one room wooden cabin about 2/3 the size of a small one car garage fitted with a bunk bed, (no mattresses), and heated by a kerosine heater, (temps in the 20s), I'm going to dispute your findings. The lower bunk about a foot off the floor was uncomfortably cold. Moving to the upper bunk the temperature changed drastically and sleep came easy. While I understand what you were trying to demonstrate, your thermometer should have been closer to ground level. Heat rises but camp chairs and sleeping bags are closer to or on ground level and would have definitely shown a drop in temperature in that high ceiling tent.
You're absolutely correct. It was very warm near the top and I should have had the temperature gage about 2 feet off the ground. One option someone advised was mount a battery operated fan up high, pointing down to circulate the heat. I do not disagree with you, and next time I might have two temperature gages. One up high and one down low. Great comments and it's well taken.
Rick
Get a wood stove fan. Another TH-camr showed how to set it up… it puts the heat out in front instead of all of it rising.
Thanks for the info.
Rick
I have both of those heaters and I have to say the big buddy is a beast.
Thanks. I was thankful to have it on those cold nights.
Rick
Hey there! Great video! I own three Kodiak canvas tents. The 10x10 Flex bow, 10x14 Flex bow and the same 12x12 cabin your buddy has but with the added awning enclosure. For our large cabin tent we use the Big Buddy. For both Flex Bow tents we use the Portable Buddy. The problem I've found is that both are radiating heat. Not pushing the hot air throughout the tent. You end up with one area warmer than another and a really hot sidewall and roof. Sure it takes the bite out but not super efficient in my opinion. For long cold hunts like elk or coues deer I had to bring multiple tanks or make trips to town. My solution: Look into thermoelectric fans. Like the ones you would put on a pot belly stove in your house to move the hot air. No batteries. Nothing but a hot surface. The heat charges a thermoelectric battery that spins the fan motor. with it sitting atop your heater or even wood stove it will quickly move the hot air around the tent.! I bought two for $30 and used a grinder to cut a notch in the back to attach to my heater grate. Best heater hack ever! It will turn your heating solution, whether it be Mr. Buddy or wood stove, from radiant to convection! It works so well in the flexbow style tents that you really only need it on low for anything above freezing. With it on high in the 10x14 this year my family and I were enjoying a very comfortable 74 degrees during a windy 20 degree (12 degree wind chill) snowfall in Williams, Arizona. The 12x12 has very straight walls but still allows some convection. The sheer size and lack of tapered walls is why we us the Big Buddy in that one, but both always run with the thermoelectric fans. Fuel consumption is about half as well! Bit of a long comment but I hope it helps a fellow angler out! And remember., Drink all the fish and catch all the beers fellas! ;)
Great comments and don't worry about the length. We have started looking into the thermoelectric fans and will have them on our next trip. I appreciate the heads up.
Rick
uhhh, it SNOWS in arizona????? i'm from nyc. never been out west past dallas.
I was there a few times. I lived back towards the river and about half way between Cahone and Dove Creek. Beautiful country up there. Be safe.
It is a gorgeous area and we love visiting there because it's a long way from Denver and the Springs and it's nice to get away from the crowds.
Rick
One thing, a BIG thing one needs to consider with winter camping is how much enclosure volume, space you wish to heat. In this case smaller is better. The 10x10 has about 29% less volume than the 10x14. Less volume, less to heat. Burnt through a ton of propane heating a 28' Toyhauler one winter. That's the main reason I got the 10x10. Great tent but knowing what I know now, my next tent will be a Springbar (domestic). Slightly better build qualities and features. This one TH-camr made an awesome video on comparing Springbar, Kodiak, Teton and White Duck "Springbar style" tents.
"Outdoor Empire" Dec 19, '22
Awesome! I'll check out the video and those tents. I have a lot more camping to do in the next several years. Thanks,
Rick
The quick connector hose is a better hookup. It has a regulator on the tank end to reduce the gas pressure and thus the need for the filter on the heater. That filter is used to gather impurities that come from the rubber hose because of the unregulated high pressure with the unregulated hose. The filter is for the hose impurities because of the unregulated high pressure in that hose.
Great point! I hadn't considered that. Mike was having all kinds of trouble lighting his Big Buddy but when I let him borrow my quick connect hose, it lit right up. Thanks for posting your comment.
Rick
And would reduce propane use.
Can a regulator and a filter be used together?
@@knaightmare9598 If you are using an extended hose and your own regulator you could run a filter, although the regulator eliminates the impurities leeching that's associated with high line pressure in some rubber hoses. The only reason to run a filter on a regulated hose would be to filter out dirty propane which wouldnt be a bad thing but usually not necessary. On the Big Buddy extended hose with quick disconnect there is already a regulator on it. The same advice would apply in this case as well. Hope that helps
Everyone's comments and advice is much appreciated and helps Mike and I prepare for the next camping trip.
Rick
A few recommendations : 1) get an official Mr. Buddy Hose as they are supposed to be oil free! Also, get an “Amish Fan” to put on top of Heater !!! They require NO power - just the heat rising converts to voltage and spins the fan blade !! Changes the entire equation !
Lastly - cut a piece of “Reflectix” to attach somehow into the top of the tent !
Hope that helps
Thanks for the great advice. I do have a hose from Mr. Buddy, and I also have a fan like the one you're referring too, so I have two of the three, and you're right, they both make a big difference, especially having the fan circulate the heat in the tent better. Now, I'll look into the Reflectix.
Thank you for the tips.
Rick
With the Big Buddy you can hook up 2 - 20# tanks at the same time, one on each side. You just need to get a second hose. Doubles the run time. Thanks for the video!!
Thanks for the tip! That thought had crossed my mind but I forgot about pursuing it further. We really appreciate the tip.
Rick
as someone who worked in plumbing and heating may i suggest never use teflon tape meant for water on any propane line. use tape for gas. you can use gas tape on a water line threads. thanks.
i see where someone talk to you about the quick connect hose being the better option. thanks for the vid.
Great point! Thanks for sharing.
Rick
Mr Heater advises to not use their heaters while asleep. They don't tell you why. Their heaters run on a "low pressure" system. They have an integrated regulator built in to reduce the PSI from tanks such as the 1# to 20# with a hose. When you use the quick connect fitting, it bypasses their regulator so you need a regulator at the tank end of the hose. The reason for caution is that their integrated regulator can, and sometimes do fail causing a fire. I've seen that happen twice and was present to extinguish those fires. Also, it should be no surprise that the Big Buddy puts out much more heat, twice as much as the regular one panel Buddy. Big Buddy: 4k, 9k, 18k BTU where as the regular Buddy: 4k and 9k BTU settings. The filter is only needed when allowing high pressure propane to pass through a rubber hose. Notice how you don't need one with a 1# bottle or the quick connect hose with a regulator at the tank end?
The techs at Mr Heater in Ohio "schooled" when I called about their heater not staying lit. Not the same issue since. This was before I experienced the heater fires.
Great information and advice. I know that some things they put in writing or will not tell the consumer to cover their back side, but I always use a CO2 and O2 detector in the tent when it's on. Thanks for the advice.
Rick
@@campingwithmikenrickoutdoors They do have a low oxygen sensor for safety but it's the enexpected fires breaking out and connection to a bulk tank that I fear. Can't tell you how my adrenaline kicked in the two times I experienced. I'm thinking the quick connect might be the safer way to go. Also, the Big Buddy hasn't had the fan in it for years. China wasn't releasing them for some reason. I bought mine long before they quit installing them. How did you come across one with the fan?
I bought the fan separately from Mr Heater.
Rick
@@campingwithmikenrickoutdoors Yeah, I heard you can install the fan yourself. It's built for it. Too bad they just can't come with it like they used to. I power my fan with the AC adapter but I remember changing those D cell batteries was a pain.
Yah, and I believe it added $45 to the cost of the Big Buddy heater. I bought them separately, but I knew it was going to be a cold camping trip.
Rick
Hey Rick, I must say you are the most polite channel when it comes to reply responses. Everyone always wants to contribute and that is a great thing but some channels get a bit snarky and I can kind of understand why. I appreciate your humility. Now...my two cents, Lone Wold 902 just did a great video on wood stove. He is as expert as they come....having probably 15 or so stoves many of which are his design and brand. It is quite an in-depth video that covers a lot of things we generally don't think about. For instance, a woodstove height plays an important role in heating a tent. The closer to the ground then the lower the frost band will be at the bottom of the tent. Importantly too then, is how high your cot is off of the floor. A taller cot will keep you warmer, something like the Teton xl or xxl for instance. It is getting you up into the heated zone. Also, I see where someone mentioned the diesel heater....man, that is the only way to go. It sits outside and pumps dry heat right into the tent through a 3" or so ducted hose. There are two great advantages, one, propane produces 1.6 lbs of water for each pound of propane burned. Therefore, a 20# tank will introduce about 4 gallons of water into the tent. Think of turning over an almost full 5 gallon jerry can in your tent. That is a lot of water that also effects heat efficiency. If it is cold enough, even with heat, you will find a frost line in the tent as well as the discomfort of high humidity. Secondly, the diesel heater "sips" fuel. You could likely run it 24/7 on less than 3 gallons of diesel a week. They do however require a 12v power source... which is no problem if you have a solar generator and a few panels. Also note, when shopping for one make certain it can be set for higher altitudes....some don't. Disclainer* I do not own one but I have done my research and intend to put one in my camping trailer. A trailers central heat can eat through a 30# tank quick.
Awesome tips and comments. I'll check out Lone Wolf 902. Actually I already subscribe to him, so I'll start checking out his videos more.
Do you have some recommendations on a diesel heater?
Rick
As far as being polite, it can be a challenge at times and I have blocked a few people from ever seeing the channel again who were extremely toxic, but Mike and I are here to share our adventures, show people how we're learning, plus learn from others like yourself.
Uploading quality videos may be the most important part of this business, but engaging with viewers is a close second.
Rick
You need a aux fan. The "blower" on the unit sucks when it comes to blowing. I bought a heat powered fan that I prop up at the top of the grate(off to 1 side). I've have my "ToughBuddy"Mr Heater(yellow) for fifteen years. Only used the 1lb canisters in once since owning the heater. Have had zero issues using the 20lb'ers,with of course fuel filter. Of which I change every season.Now only use the 1lb 'ers for cooking.
Thanks for the feedback and the tips. I'm making note of them to check these out on the next camping trip. Thanks,
Rick
I think you mentioned you had a cot. If you were on an air mattress six inches off the floor you might not get any warmth at all. Heat rises. I got caught in a snow storm with minimal warm clothing. I fired up my little camp stove and because I was in a tiny tent it warmed me right up. But it wasn't 12 degrees either.
I agree that air mattresses are a bad idea in cold weather. I like having the large cot with the 3" memory foam. It's really comfortable and warm. You're also right about the heat up higher and colder down at the cot level, but the other thing is how much colder it is near the sides of the tent. I'm thinking if the tent is large enough, it would be better to put the cots closer to the center. I would like to hear if you have other ideas or camping experiences that can help others here.
Rick
Camp fan that hangs on the ceiling forces heat down and around. Yes you need batteries but the circulation is good. Wood stoves are better and the buddy are great for that back up. Propane is to expensive to run constantly for me. Also usb fan off a solar generator works great too.
Awesome advice. I will be adding a ceiling fan and a wood stove soon. I agree that the propane heaters are better for a backup heat source. Thanks,
Rick
Good show thanks
Thanks for leaving the comment.
Rick
Thanks for this video on the tent & big buddies comparison !
Any time. Thanks for stopping by and letting me know you liked it.
Rick
You should try using a battery powered ceiling fan made for a tent, and then do another test with a second thermometer at ground level.
Thank you for that tip. That's exactly what I'm going to do on the next winter camping trip. Thanks for the heads up.
Rick
I've run forges off those 20lb tanks and they will tend to freeze up when discharging. The tanks acted like they were empty but just to cold to release gas from the liquid propane. Did you check your tanks later to see if you still had gas still in the tank?
Thanks for sharing your experiences.
I did not check the tanks after the trip but I'll do it now. Thanks for the heads up.
Rick
Quick connect hose has a regulator (low pressure) and DOES NOT REQUIRE A FILTER (no high pressure). :)
Thank you for the advice.
I have the quick connect hose from Mr. Heater now. That's what I'm using in my latest videos, however, I still need to edit and upload the latest videos from our last fishing trip to the Miramonte Reservoir here in Colorado.
Rick
Hey Mike I’ve use those body heaters in a confined space they leave condensation all over the windows and if you’re using a tent all over the inside of the tent the heat that they produce is full of humidity A better alternative is the Chinese diesel heater very dry heat no humidity and very very hot in the diesel fuel less than a gallon in 24 hour period I am propane cost twice as much to run so economically then healthwise Chinese diesel heater is much better than a buddy heater.No disrespect just trying to give your audience the best information possible
We appreciate the advice. We'll look into it for our next cold weather camping trip. I believe we'll have at least 2 or 3 more this winter. Thanks again. We appreciate all the advice we can get as we're learning as we go. Thanks,
Rick
They Do Make Tent Ceiling Fans, To Force Heat Down In The Winter...😊
Thanks for the tip. I'll look into it. Maybe I can get it before the fishing trip here in Colorado next week.
Rick
The hose you want is Mr Heater brand, model F273704. It is 10 ft long and is their only hose you can use without the filter and the only one they should sell to be honest. The others leech oils from the rubber under pressure and will ruin the heater. Why they sell the others that require a filter is not logical but we all know why they do...
I appreciate it. I'll be getting that hose soon. Thanks,
Rick
Thanks for the information.
Rick
You don't need the filter if you use the special Mr Buddy branded hose!!😲😲
Thanks. I've been getting a lot of comments like that. I do have a quick connect hose with a regulator. I need to make sure it's from Mr. Buddy, but I have tried it and it works at least. Thanks for another great comment.
Rick
ONLY the 10' hose is made from non leaching material. That's why it's 3 times the price of others but we'll worth it. A regulator is built into the heater, so having one on the hose is irrelevant.
Much appreciated.
Rick
Note:
The filter is needed if the hose does not have a regulator the higher pressure will push contaminates into the buddy. Using a buddy quick connect hose with the regulator is fine w/o the filter,you will notice the heater will run quietly
Thanks for the great advice. I do have a quick connect hose now with a regulator. Thanks again.
Rick
Try dialing down the tank valve, it slows the consumption of fuel
I apologize for the late reply, but thank you for the tip.
Rick
Similar to a ceiling fan effect, maybe if you hang a battery-operated fan at the top of your tent facing down. It would push the hot air down and circulate the air. I am also wondering what level of ventilation you had?
I have two small vents at the top of each end of the tent, plus I usually open a small section of a window to help with the ventilation.
On the last trip, I had both a convection fan on the Big Buddy heater, and on the wood stove when using it, plus I did have a battery operated ceiling fan. Both of these fans helped to distribute the air much better.
Great advice though. Thanks,
Rick
Theres a quick connect in the back of the big buddy heater.
I have the quick connect hose from Mr. Heater now and that's all I use.
Thanks,
Rick
The propane isn't what's dirty, it's the hose that breaks down and clogs your heater. Buy the high grade 10' Mr. Heater hose and a filter is unnecessary. It's all about the hose quality, not the propane.😉
Thanks. I do have a new hose with the quick connect and the regulator. I still need to make sure it is a good quality hose. I appreciate the feedback. Thanks,
Rick
When connecting a hose with propane, turn on the propane tank as ur connectingthe hose to heater otherwise it creates air bubble in line if it's connected then turned on, that's why it took you 15 minutes get the big heater working, same thing connecting a propane generator, that's why if you read reviews of propane generator alot of people swear the propane will not work on their generator, it's because they connected the propane tank then turned it on creating an air pocket, if you turn the tank on as ur connecting to generator it will fire right up, just make sure there are no open flame or ignition sources near the open hose as you connecting it
That safety concern is probably why manufacturers cannot tell you what iam telling you, just use common sense
Understood and thanks. Mike was recently told to bleed the line from a propane dealer, which is probably exactly what you just said. Thanks again.
Rick
I just watched your video on your buddies. You don't want to be a good idea. You need a couple of electric battery. Powered fans apply to spurstly air to push it down. You'll be nicely comfortable then.
Thanks for the tip! I have a stove fan I use that works great and starts spinning from the heat from the heater. You can see a link to it here. th-cam.com/video/-UkyznHBfKM/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for the comment and let me know if you have any other tips or questions.
Rick
You might want to put a flat stone to protect that floor
Good point. I haven't had any trouble with the floor getting too hot after the last 4 or 5 camping trips, but I do have some heat shield mats that I could use.
Thanks for the tip.
Rick
I have used the big buddy for 2 years. I find a problem with waiting for an hour to restart it after the tank is changed. There is no way to bleed the hose when changing the tank.
Thanks for sharing your experience. I agree that bleeding the hose can be a pain, but Mike and I both have found we typically have to bleed the line between 10 and 15 minutes each time, which is a pain, but it really sucks if you're bleeding the hose in the middle of the night in 15 degrees.
Rick
If you have a Torch Head, screw that on and use It to Bleed the Hose (provided it is the Common Bottle Thread)
Much appreciated.
Rick
My buddy heater uses alot of gas on low?
Thanks for letting me know. I never used the low setting on this last trip since the temperatures ranged from 12 degrees to 35 degrees, and I was really going through the propane.
Rick
@@campingwithmikenrickoutdoors should a small boddle last multiple hours?
My Portable Buddy will last 2.5 hours on high and over 5 hours on low on a cannister.
Rick
Not a good place to hang that thermometer should have it at about 3 ft above the floor opposite of where you have the heater
Good point. I'll change the location in the next tests.
Rick
The dirt doesn't come out of the propane, it comes out of the hose, due to the pressure!
Thanks for the heads up on that.
Rick
Need fans on top, wood stove fans. Check it out.
Interesting. I hadn't thought of that. I'm looking at some now. I appreciate the heads up. Thanks.
Rick
They sell a hose that don't need a filter.
You're exactly right. I have had many comments about that and I do have the quick connect hose with the regulator. Thanks for the heads up.
Rick
Check for leaks?....
Absolutely, plus Mike and I both have CO2 and O2 detectors.
Rick
Need a battery powered CO Detector in there!!😲😲
Mike and I both have one. Thanks for the heads up though.
Rick
Smaller tent. Better bag.
Are you saying to use a smaller tent for cold weather camping? Also, I'm not sure what you're referring to when you're talking about a better bag. Please clarify.
Rick
@@campingwithmikenrickoutdoors not sure if you've got your feelings hurt but im only saying that of you've got a large tent and a sleeping bag that you didn't Disclose the temp raiting, you'll be cold. It said 10x14 tent i believe? I've slept in the Mojave in the high 20,s in a 0° bag on a cot under the stars and been comfortable. No tent. Its all about your sleeping bag.
My feelings were not hurt. I just didn't understand what you were saying. I understand now. I agree that the bag is of utmost importance and I appreciate the advice and feedback. Mike and I will be testing out a lot more tents, bags, heat sources, etc in the months and years to come. Mike just finished a wilderness camping shelter that is pretty cool and we'll have a lot more like this. Thanks again. We always appreciate great advice. What bag do you use for cold weather camping?
Rick
I hope you're leaving a gap open somewhere for the fumes to get out. It's not really safe to be completely sealed in a space with the heater.
Great point. This Kodiak Canvas Flex-bow tent has openings at the top on each side, plus Mike and I both have CO2 and O2 sensors in our tents. Thanks for the advice.
Rick
Mr. Heater Buddy produces ZERO carbon monoxide.
That's what I have found in my research and what I have seen in my tests when camping. Thanks for the comment.
Rick
@@squirrelcovers6340 What about carbon dioxide?
It's called a "Little Buddy" ...
That is incorrect. This review has only the "Portable Buddy" and the "Big Buddy" heaters. You can see what the "Little Buddy" looks like here on www.mrheater.com/little-buddy-heater.html Mr Heaters website. I apologize for correcting you here on your comment. I typically don't like to do that. On a side note, I do need to get and review the Little Buddy heater.
Rick
Do not turn a Mr. Heater into a MR. cooker.
Buy a single burner propane stove instead
Great point.
Rick
Good stuff 👍
Glad you enjoyed it.
Rick
Be warned even with the filter using the 20lb tank damage can still be done your buddy heater.
Thanks for letting me know. What problems can arise using the 20 lb. propane tanks?
Rick
Lucky I guess,never had any trouble.
We appreciate the heads up.
Rick
Not true, uncle Mcc, it's all about the quality of the hose, Not the propane.
Much appreciated.
Rick
Kind of expensive heating tho. $20 $30 a day
Agreed, but I was glad to pay that when the temperatures were under 20 degrees every night. I'm planning on having a wood stove on the next cold weather camping trip.
Rick
Unvented propane heaters create too much moisture.
I did not have that problem on this trip. The temperature got up to 35 degrees (F) during the day and was down to 15 degrees at night. The primary issues I found were making sure the propane did not run out during the night and then locating the heater the right distance from me so I didn't burn up or get to cold. Thanks for the feedback though and I'll watch for that on the next trip. Thanks,
Rick