Great video Tom. We are humbled by you picking FlameTechGrills as the top choice. That means a lot to us.Hope to see more of your cooks with Smoke and Sizzle from FlameTechGrills. PS: Just to clarify Smoke and Sizzle is made of 430 16 gauge stainless steel.
Excellent review Tom. You hit all the points of interest. Flame Tech used the KISS principle and made a winner. I have the SnS and have zero complaints. I keep a "hand me down" Weber 22" kettle at my camper and if I feel compelled to add this accessory, I'd go with the Flame Tech.
I have the Slow and Sear that the water part comes out to give it more room on a sear. I've been happy with it. I have the dripping griddle but I pretty much use that inside the house and use the grate that comes with it to cook elevated. It's to much a pain to clean that thing after each cook. I do like that there is another product coming out. It means more competition which could lead to more innovation. Nice review!
Nice video. I prefer the slow n sear because I cook on a lot of vintage colored Webers. I don’t like to bank coals directly against the kettle walls. It will eventually lead to crazing in the porcelain and pops where the grate strap welds are. I’ve never had any issues with high heat cooks impacting the porcelain with the slow and sear. I have many examples of old kettles with crazing and porcelain damage due to banking coals. For a black one, who cares, but a newer or vintage colored grill, the I’d protect the investment.
I've been using the SNS with stainless drop in griddle for several years now. Mine has the removeable water trough. It has been great; however, I too would've chosen the flame tech because of price and all in one. I just don't see the approx. $80 difference. Thats a great price for the flame tech. I'm also not worried about the extra protection with the SNS. I used my kettle for about 10 years doing indirect prior to getting the SNS and my kettle still looks fabulous inside and out.
Good comparison! I own a Slow N Sear Deluxe and I like being able to lift the unit out to dump old coals or shake it to remove dust and reuse the remaining coals. Other than that my Smoke and Sizzle performs just as well and for the price is a much better value. Keep up the great work!
As always, great review Tom. I have the SNS without the drip and griddle. It's just too expensive. I use an aluminum pan or cover the bottom with foil. I also use my pellet grill quite often.
I've been using my S'n'S for years with great results, I prefer to foil the indirect part of the grate, I change it out every few cooks or so, and use a foil pan to catch drippings. One advantage I can see for me is the ease that I can pull the Slow and Sear out to tip unused coals into a chimney, which I do often as I rarely do very long cooks on the kettle, preferring the WSM for those. This new accessory looks very well thought out, too, nice to see more choices out there, though for the above reason I think I'd stay with the original.
I purchased both based on your reviews - thanks for sharing your insight and honesty. The smoke & sizzle has been sitting in my garage waiting to get used for a few days now. I’m sure it will work just as fine.
Thanks Tom!! I just purchased the Smoke and Sizzle on Sunday. Should be delivered Friday. Happy I saw your video now after I purchased. Makes me more confident! I plan on doing a 19lb pork shoulder with it this Saturday
I've owned a Grillaque around the time that the SNS came out. I was smart enough to build a barrier out of expanded metal to keep from banking coals against the side of the Kettle. Weber addresses this issue of thermal shock and advises against banking coals against the bottom. If you've never seen the damage of a Kettle then just go to one of many Kettle groups and see the complaints about Weber warranty issues
Great video and lots of good comments here. For me, it's the smoke and sizzle and will order it today. I have an older black weber and don't mind banking the charcoal on it. The biggest selling points for me are the ability to do a longer no peek cook with more charcoal, and additionally I feel the temperature control will be more accurate/easier with the smoke and sizzle design.
I have an SnS and it works great. The flametrech is nice too, but leaves me wanting a little different of design. So for what i personally want and preference is the SnS.
Nice video Tom. I think that a cooking test is warranted. A couple of things you missed. 1- thermal mass is important with the SnS. I’m not sure what both set ups weigh. 2- the placement of the water is by design- it adds even more thermal mass between the fire and the food. Obviously price is important, but I think it’s a case of you get more if you pay more. One more thing- I asked SnS and they confirmed that they offshore products. I can also confirm that the original SnS from 2015 weighs more than the “original” that is made today.
Thanks for watching! Appreciate the information, I’ve done many cooks on the SNS and I waited to do this video until I had a good variety of cooks using the smoke and sizzle. The cooks were comparable although because smoke and sizzle holds more charcoal it would go longer than the SNS
Nice comparison by the slow & sear with water in it would bring more moisture to the cook being charcoal is right next to it. The slow & sizzle will not get hot enough to really do anything. I have both and like them the same tho.
Thanks for Watching Daniel! I disagree, I’ve used the smoke and sizzle and it does get hot enough to boil the water just like the slow and sear. And since it holds more water the smoke and sizzle lasts longer.
Interesting. I own the Slow n Sear w/pan and I just ordered the Smoke n Sizzle. But -- I also have 3 small patio bricks I bought at Lowes garden center for about $1.50 each and use them to cordon off about 1/3 of the Weber coal grate for the coals then shape a large aluminum baking pan over the 2/3 section of the coal great and works just as well with regard to bang for buck. You should try that method Tom see how it compares.
Eggcellent review Tom! I love my SNS with the dripping griddle. But I haven't used the slow a sizzle. I also got all my SNS products free from Dave, cus I let him use one of my songs for one of his videos. Great review man.
I have a slow and sear along with drip n griddle pan makes a great combination. I picked up the cast drip n griddle pan. Have to checkout mallory firewall
I had the hunsaker (which was very nice) which I used with an aluminum disposable tray. It worked nicely, but began to rust. I watched your video of this product and at that time you had a 10% off coupon (which cinched the deal). I have only used it a few times but I appreciate the larger charcoal capacity than the Hunsaker and the SNS (easier for a steak sear). I have a 26" kettle so I still have plenty of room to grill and fewer refills to the charcoal bin. The fitment of the Hunsaker was better than the flametech, however I like the flametech a bit better (if it doesn't rust). If it rusts, I would get the Flametech again especially for the searing aspect. If I felt that I needed protection on the grill side where the coals are banked, I would use fire brick (which I have) as a liner.
For people with different color kettles, I'd choose the SNS, for people on a budget and black kettle who arent worried about enamel pops then go with thr flametech
Dang I wish I discovered the smoke and sizzle before buying my knock off sns & drip n griddle! I guess the one benefit I have is that I can use the drip n griddle as a griddle (duh lol) but I would’ve rather saved my money & taken advantage of the simplicity with the smoke and sizzle
Thanks for another great video Tom. Does the SnS and the Flame Tech Smoke and Sizzle fit in the kettle at the same time? Would like to see a picture if it does. I have the SnS Deluxe with the removable water trough and the drip n griddle. I find covering the charcoal grate with HD foil much easier to clean and swap out that using the drip n griddle even when wrapping it with foil. Thanks again Tom!
@@TomHorsmanAmateurBBQ I am wondering the same, instead of buying a slow n sear drip pan, we can instead buy the flame tech as a drip pan and have best of both worlds.
Flame Tech ten times out of ten. The design allows a more simple, elegant design do more than the SnS does at a savings SnS could never compete with. You never touched on the idea that it’s much easier to refill the reservoir, and it’s easier to add things to that water like herbs, citrus, etc. Way, WAY better for way less.
I'll stick with the Weber kettle grills....the SNS has some great features, but I can add essentially all those features to a Weber kettle and still be cheaper than the SNS.
The so-called "protection" offered by the SnS wall gap is imaginary. My Performer is my oldest Weber, going on 12 now... and no problems at all with charcoal next to the walls, none, nada, zip. SnS "Protection" is just advertising spam. The one thing it DOES do is reduce the amount of charcoal so it cuts down on burn time. Not exactly a great benefit, eh? And then there is the cost. Ridiculous.
Great video Tom. We are humbled by you picking FlameTechGrills as the top choice. That means a lot to us.Hope to see more of your cooks with Smoke and Sizzle from FlameTechGrills.
PS: Just to clarify Smoke and Sizzle is made of 430 16 gauge stainless steel.
Thanks for Watching and for the info
I just bought one last week without seeing this video. It's definitely high quality. Is there a specific reason that it has a mirror finish?
Excellent review Tom. You hit all the points of interest. Flame Tech used the KISS principle and made a winner. I have the SnS and have zero complaints. I keep a "hand me down" Weber 22" kettle at my camper and if I feel compelled to add this accessory, I'd go with the Flame Tech.
Thanks for watching Ted! Keep it simple, agreed
I have the Slow and Sear that the water part comes out to give it more room on a sear. I've been happy with it. I have the dripping griddle but I pretty much use that inside the house and use the grate that comes with it to cook elevated. It's to much a pain to clean that thing after each cook. I do like that there is another product coming out. It means more competition which could lead to more innovation. Nice review!
Thanks for watching! Appreciate the feedback!
Nice video. I prefer the slow n sear because I cook on a lot of vintage colored Webers. I don’t like to bank coals directly against the kettle walls. It will eventually lead to crazing in the porcelain and pops where the grate strap welds are. I’ve never had any issues with high heat cooks impacting the porcelain with the slow and sear. I have many examples of old kettles with crazing and porcelain damage due to banking coals. For a black one, who cares, but a newer or vintage colored grill, the I’d protect the investment.
Thanks for watching Michael! Appreciate the feedback
Can't you just put the normal charcoal basket over there
I've been using the SNS with stainless drop in griddle for several years now. Mine has the removeable water trough. It has been great; however, I too would've chosen the flame tech because of price and all in one. I just don't see the approx. $80 difference. Thats a great price for the flame tech. I'm also not worried about the extra protection with the SNS. I used my kettle for about 10 years doing indirect prior to getting the SNS and my kettle still looks fabulous inside and out.
Thanks for watching! Appreciate the feedback!
Good comparison! I own a Slow N Sear Deluxe and I like being able to lift the unit out to dump old coals or shake it to remove dust and reuse the remaining coals. Other than that my Smoke and Sizzle performs just as well and for the price is a much better value. Keep up the great work!
Thanks for watching Michael! Appreciate the feedback
As always, great review Tom. I have the SNS without the drip and griddle. It's just too expensive. I use an aluminum pan or cover the bottom with foil. I also use my pellet grill quite often.
I've been using my S'n'S for years with great results, I prefer to foil the indirect part of the grate, I change it out every few cooks or so, and use a foil pan to catch drippings. One advantage I can see for me is the ease that I can pull the Slow and Sear out to tip unused coals into a chimney, which I do often as I rarely do very long cooks on the kettle, preferring the WSM for those. This new accessory looks very well thought out, too, nice to see more choices out there, though for the above reason I think I'd stay with the original.
Thanks for watching Adam! Appreciate the feedback
I purchased both based on your reviews - thanks for sharing your insight and honesty. The smoke & sizzle has been sitting in my garage waiting to get used for a few days now. I’m sure it will work just as fine.
Thanks for watching!
Thanks Tom!! I just purchased the Smoke and Sizzle on Sunday. Should be delivered Friday. Happy I saw your video now after I purchased. Makes me more confident! I plan on doing a 19lb pork shoulder with it this Saturday
Thanks for watching Mike! Enjoy!
I've owned a Grillaque around the time that the SNS came out. I was smart enough to build a barrier out of expanded metal to keep from banking coals against the side of the Kettle.
Weber addresses this issue of thermal shock and advises against banking coals against the bottom.
If you've never seen the damage of a Kettle then just go to one of many Kettle groups and see the complaints about Weber warranty issues
Thanks for watching! Appreciate the feedback
Great video and lots of good comments here. For me, it's the smoke and sizzle and will order it today. I have an older black weber and don't mind banking the charcoal on it. The biggest selling points for me are the ability to do a longer no peek cook with more charcoal, and additionally I feel the temperature control will be more accurate/easier with the smoke and sizzle design.
Thanks for watching Joe! Appreciate the feedback! Enjoy!
Excellent objective comparison. Thanks Tom.
Thank you for watching!
I have an SnS and it works great. The flametrech is nice too, but leaves me wanting a little different of design. So for what i personally want and preference is the SnS.
Thanks for Watching! Appreciate the feedback
Flame tech is definitely the best bargain but they are both good products
Thanks for watching! Agreed!
The all in one Flame tech wins this battle….same material and less cost a no brainer!!!
Thanks for watching Robert! Agreed
Nice video Tom. I think that a cooking test is warranted. A couple of things you missed. 1- thermal mass is important with the SnS. I’m not sure what both set ups weigh. 2- the placement of the water is by design- it adds even more thermal mass between the fire and the food. Obviously price is important, but I think it’s a case of you get more if you pay more. One more thing- I asked SnS and they confirmed that they offshore products. I can also confirm that the original SnS from 2015 weighs more than the “original” that is made today.
Thanks for watching! Appreciate the information, I’ve done many cooks on the SNS and I waited to do this video until I had a good variety of cooks using the smoke and sizzle. The cooks were comparable although because smoke and sizzle holds more charcoal it would go longer than the SNS
Excellent review Tom! I just got the Smoke and Sizzle & look forward to doing a review on it myself soon 👍🏻
Thanks for watching! Have fun
Nice comparison by the slow & sear with water in it would bring more moisture to the cook being charcoal is right next to it. The slow & sizzle will not get hot enough to really do anything. I have both and like them the same tho.
Thanks for Watching Daniel! I disagree, I’ve used the smoke and sizzle and it does get hot enough to boil the water just like the slow and sear. And since it holds more water the smoke and sizzle lasts longer.
I went with the bro-n-sear and a foil tray for water. Still I'd love either product just don't see the need to spend the money.
Thanks for Watching! Appreciate the feedback,
Interesting. I own the Slow n Sear w/pan and I just ordered the Smoke n Sizzle. But -- I also have 3 small patio bricks I bought at Lowes garden center for about $1.50 each and use them to cordon off about 1/3 of the Weber coal grate for the coals then shape a large aluminum baking pan over the 2/3 section of the coal great and works just as well with regard to bang for buck. You should try that method Tom see how it compares.
Eggcellent review Tom! I love my SNS with the dripping griddle. But I haven't used the slow a sizzle. I also got all my SNS products free from Dave, cus I let him use one of my songs for one of his videos. Great review man.
Thanks for Watching Lonnie! Congrats on the free stuff!
Hi LonnieMac. I'm a huge Lonnie Mack fan. What an amazing guitarist he was. Where would someone find your songs?
With the slow n sear the coals are not against your kettle, which to me makes it worth it, I have a bunch of old webers and want to protect them
Thanks for watching! Yup, as I stated in the video, however, have yet to see a kettle that’s been damaged due to charcoal up against the side
Tom please try the smoke and sizzle with the spider venom controller!
Will do
Great review Tom. Thank you 😊
Edit: My choice would be the new solution. Not because of price either.
Thanks Eric! I agree
I have a slow and sear along with drip n griddle pan makes a great combination. I picked up the cast drip n griddle pan.
Have to checkout mallory firewall
Thanks for watching John! Mallory firewall?
Wish the flametech was available in Canada
Thanks for Watching! Me too!
I had the hunsaker (which was very nice) which I used with an aluminum disposable tray. It worked nicely, but began to rust. I watched your video of this product and at that time you had a 10% off coupon (which cinched the deal). I have only used it a few times but I appreciate the larger charcoal capacity than the Hunsaker and the SNS (easier for a steak sear). I have a 26" kettle so I still have plenty of room to grill and fewer refills to the charcoal bin. The fitment of the Hunsaker was better than the flametech, however I like the flametech a bit better (if it doesn't rust). If it rusts, I would get the Flametech again especially for the searing aspect. If I felt that I needed protection on the grill side where the coals are banked, I would use fire brick (which I have) as a liner.
Thanks for watching Paul! Appreciate the feedback
The Flame Tech is 304 stainless steel per their website. Amazon says 430.
Thanks for Watching! Appreciate the information
Your SNS appears to be the deluxe which is 115? When you looked at the site I believe that was the 1st model of the SNS? Enjoy your content a lot!
Thanks for watching! I believe you are correct
For people with different color kettles, I'd choose the SNS, for people on a budget and black kettle who arent worried about enamel pops then go with thr flametech
Thanks for Watching!
Dang I wish I discovered the smoke and sizzle before buying my knock off sns & drip n griddle! I guess the one benefit I have is that I can use the drip n griddle as a griddle (duh lol) but I would’ve rather saved my money & taken advantage of the simplicity with the smoke and sizzle
Thanks for watching!
Can you do a side by side comparison of each with a cook? Same amount of coals, same amount of water and see which one lasts longer?
Thanks for watching Ryan! That’s a good idea
@@TomHorsmanAmateurBBQ I think it would be a fun experiment!
Thanks for another great video Tom. Does the SnS and the Flame Tech Smoke and Sizzle fit in the kettle at the same time? Would like to see a picture if it does. I have the SnS Deluxe with the removable water trough and the drip n griddle. I find covering the charcoal grate with HD foil much easier to clean and swap out that using the drip n griddle even when wrapping it with foil. Thanks again Tom!
Thanks for Watching! I think it would…. Not sure why it wouldn’t
@@TomHorsmanAmateurBBQ let me
know if you find time to confirm they both fit at the same time. Thanks Tom.
@@TomHorsmanAmateurBBQ I am wondering the same, instead of buying a slow n sear drip pan, we can instead buy the flame tech as a drip pan and have best of both worlds.
Thanks for watching! I do Bernd to try this
Tom, do you mind sharing your method for cleaning the Smoke and Sizzle?
Thanks for watching! Soap and water and soft scrub if needed
I wrap mine (drip tray only) in 1 pieces of large size heavy duty foil. And just change the foil out every couple of cooks....
@RCFlyer85 Thanks for watching!
Flame Tech ten times out of ten. The design allows a more simple, elegant design do more than the SnS does at a savings SnS could never compete with.
You never touched on the idea that it’s much easier to refill the reservoir, and it’s easier to add things to that water like herbs, citrus, etc.
Way, WAY better for way less.
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Smoke and Sizzle for the win
I'll stick with the Weber kettle grills....the SNS has some great features, but I can add essentially all those features to a Weber kettle and still be cheaper than the SNS.
Thanks for Watching!
SNS has ten year warranty but Flametech has only one year warranty
Thanks for Watching! Good point
Still say we have reached sad times. Not even the simplest product can be manufactured in America because a company can make a few more bucks
Thanks for watching Chris! Agreed!
Just got my Slow and Sear, "Made in China" sticker on the shipping box.
Thanks for watching David! Appreciate the feedback
The so-called "protection" offered by the SnS wall gap is imaginary. My Performer is my oldest Weber, going on 12 now... and no problems at all with charcoal next to the walls, none, nada, zip. SnS "Protection" is just advertising spam. The one thing it DOES do is reduce the amount of charcoal so it cuts down on burn time. Not exactly a great benefit, eh? And then there is the cost. Ridiculous.
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Oh Tom. You must like every product once and what you dont like never feature on your videos again! Just kidding. Thanks for the review!
Thanks for watching! Lol