Rotaries and Flangers on Donner Pass!

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  • From our best selling DVD "Winter on Donner Pass," watch rotary snow plows clearing snow from the railroad tracks in the dead of winter. Visit the summit of Donner Pass in winter's fury as both rotaries and flangers work to keep trains moving in arctic conditions.
    Watch the entire program "Winter on Donner Pass" by clicking the link below. It is available on DVD, Hi-definition Blu-ray and Digital Download at 7ideaproductions.com.
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  • @cheeze5875
    @cheeze5875 2 ปีที่แล้ว +464

    It's amazing how quickly the snowdozer population bounces back each winter. Nature is truly a wonder to behold.

    • @b3tomm12
      @b3tomm12 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      😂

    • @shafimuhammad2268
      @shafimuhammad2268 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      0k

    • @JMiskovsky
      @JMiskovsky 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah hebitat is nice but I also like population of Track layers. Thou it is endemic

    • @jasoncarswell7458
      @jasoncarswell7458 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      Though bold in numbers, they quickly scatter at the appearance of a larger, louder apex predator.

    • @kuhndj67
      @kuhndj67 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      They were majestic weren't they...

  • @paull8678
    @paull8678 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    I find it hilarious that the TH-cam algorithm decided to suggest this video. I watch a lot of guitar gear demos (guitars, effect pedals, etc) and Donner is a brand of guitar. Rotary and Flanger are two types of guitar effects. So I guess this seemed like the perfect video for YT to recommend. 😂 And now I've learned about two types of train. Too cool.

    • @7ideaproductions
      @7ideaproductions  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks for stopping by even if it was by accident!

    • @paull8678
      @paull8678 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@7ideaproductions sure thing! Who doesn't like trains? I even take heavy rail to work.

  • @karlmckinnell3944
    @karlmckinnell3944 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    So cute the one snow dozer turns around and tries to outrun the plow. lol

  • @happyhighway106
    @happyhighway106 2 ปีที่แล้ว +69

    #193 Thank you for a fine video! I am 73. Fifty years ago I helmed some of the Railroad Car Ferrys on Lake Michigan during the Winter months. These vessels were coal fired, steam powered with Skinner Uniflow Engines. They all were Ice Breakers and could punch through "The Wind Rolls". Winter seas were cold and rough! However, Food in the Galley was the best served!!

  • @Senor0Droolcup
    @Senor0Droolcup 2 ปีที่แล้ว +169

    Awesome. When I-80 is closed both directions, I should be thinking of the thousands of people stuck in traffic, unable to reach loved ones, but my initial reaction is pretty much: "I wonder if they're powering up the Rotaries at Roseville!?!" Kinda pathetic but that's what a love of trains will do to you...

    • @francisschweitzer8431
      @francisschweitzer8431 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I think that same thing…. Parked in Reno because Donner is closed and I am dreaming of Rotary Trains. Lol.

    • @davemcmahon8140
      @davemcmahon8140 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Now thats a thought!

    • @davefroman4700
      @davefroman4700 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah and its more likely the Zepher will get across the mountain before any of the people stuck in ditches.

    • @ThePaulv12
      @ThePaulv12 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah that's what a Gunzel would think. Gunzel is a derogatory description for the insatiable hard core rail enthusiast. A true Gunzel always wears the the name with pride.

    • @Senor0Droolcup
      @Senor0Droolcup 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@ThePaulv12 Well, in that case, if being a true Gunzel is wrong, I don't wanna be right! 😆

  • @haventthoughtofanameyet6364
    @haventthoughtofanameyet6364 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    I'm a machine operator for a living(any and all heavy equipment) and to hear "a herd of bulldozers" just tickled me to death lol

  • @NoBody-ht1oh
    @NoBody-ht1oh ปีที่แล้ว +102

    Its wonderful to see a family of dozers in the wild making their way to lower ground, a rare find indeed. We don't have them in Australia, except in zoo's sadly.

    • @7ideaproductions
      @7ideaproductions  ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Yes these are rare but fortunately Donner has a healthy herd.

    • @kagenslookingglass
      @kagenslookingglass ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@7ideaproductions What I love about it is hearing Greta Thumbird screaming as these are making their passes. Great video!

    • @beeble2003
      @beeble2003 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@7ideaproductions Yeah, but just wait until those Caterpillars grow up into butterflies!

    • @kennethdodge3779
      @kennethdodge3779 ปีที่แล้ว

      That is hilarious.look at them run for greener pastures.lol

    • @22Oatie
      @22Oatie ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah that place is historically great for groups of anything, dozers... people

  • @mainecoastrailfan
    @mainecoastrailfan 2 ปีที่แล้ว +54

    Excellent video! The rotary plow alongside the "herd of snowdozers" makes for quite the sight!

  • @patrickratkinson2025
    @patrickratkinson2025 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm 73 years old and I never seen one of these machines in action before, and I found them to be absolutely amazing, and even awesome.

  • @barryroberts2196
    @barryroberts2196 2 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    I'm very impressed. 2 inches of snow here in the UK & the Country comes to a stand still !!!👍

    • @user-qs1me6ez4i
      @user-qs1me6ez4i 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @Dark Code Можешь не поверить, но в России так же, маленький снежок и уже обьявляют стихийное бедствие.

    • @Gravity461
      @Gravity461 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @dark code I’m in Connecticut and we didn’t even get an extreme weather warning for a snowstorm that happened today with over a foot of snow.

    • @simplywonderful449
      @simplywonderful449 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      In Illinois, we get an "EXTREME WEATHER WARNING" when it goes above freezing!

    • @jimsmith9819
      @jimsmith9819 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      2 inches here is nothing

  • @leehuff2330
    @leehuff2330 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Love the sound of those 567s getting after it!

  • @passthepipe1
    @passthepipe1 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The clean edge left by this machine once it's done it's work, pleases me.

  • @davemcmahon8140
    @davemcmahon8140 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    I wonder what my grandfather would think about winter work on the rails. He was an engineer on Australian steam and electrics during WW2 and till his retirement. Its amazing as I have his lisences all printed on rice paper!!

    • @7ideaproductions
      @7ideaproductions  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      He would have been interesting to talk to! It takes a special breed to do winter service. I know engineers who live for it.

    • @davemcmahon8140
      @davemcmahon8140 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@7ideaproductions he was deemed essential service during the war, his brothers served in Burma while Pa took arms and men up the east coast of Australia.

  • @gwechoochoo
    @gwechoochoo ปีที่แล้ว +10

    In 20 plus years as a CTC Operator in East St Louis, only two times did we have a significant snow fall to bring out the snow blower car with the jet engine. Our Maintainer loved the call at 2am in single digit temperatures to refill switch pots and frozen points.

  • @caroldavis7169
    @caroldavis7169 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    This is just spectacular !!!!!
    I live in Australia snd we never see anything like this …..

  • @geomodelrailroader
    @geomodelrailroader 2 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    always good to see The Roteries in action. If you have 16 feet of snow on Donner Pass this is who you call they will make sure The Transcontinental Railroad stays clear and the trains keep moving.

  • @heinzbreuer2674
    @heinzbreuer2674 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Ein Meister Werk an der Kamera ☃️☃️📽📽📽📽📽greetings from Germany Rhein side Düsseldorf

  • @StormySkyRailProductions
    @StormySkyRailProductions 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Wow, Spectacular video of this operation.

  • @nc4tn
    @nc4tn ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Love to hear those 567’s powering the plows.

  • @harrisonofcolorado8886
    @harrisonofcolorado8886 2 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    I received this DVD for Christmas a few years back. I liked seeing the rotaries, and it's amazing that they're still in use even today.

    • @Harry-zz2oh
      @Harry-zz2oh 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Last week I saw the rotary from the narrow gauge in Durango, CO-Chama, NM and the Silverton, CO RR. Very neat to watch the video.

    • @larryjanson4011
      @larryjanson4011 ปีที่แล้ว

      best tool for the job.

    • @gardenogauge
      @gardenogauge 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What's the alternative?

  • @GhostDrummer
    @GhostDrummer ปีที่แล้ว +5

    That’s gotta be an eerie feeling to not be able to see where you’re going. At least at night the locomotive lights up the tracks. What an amazing video. Thank you for sharing.

    • @7ideaproductions
      @7ideaproductions  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yes I understand it can get spooky in those situations especially with avalanche danger.

  • @canyoncruzr
    @canyoncruzr 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This is strangely satisfying to watch.

  • @jrea424
    @jrea424 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Amazing to watch! And to think, people would traverse that pass long before any rail was laid in search of a better life in Cali

  • @Peter-pv8xx
    @Peter-pv8xx 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    They had one of these rigs at steamtown in Scranton PA, standing in front of that massive turbine gave one pause.

  • @SongMom8
    @SongMom8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It’s basically a train-sized snowblower. Cool! 👍🏻

  • @brendacoffman6259
    @brendacoffman6259 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Just so glad to see snow again in Northern California Love this !

  • @coopercarguy
    @coopercarguy ปีที่แล้ว +2

    America needs more trains.

  • @phildavies9082
    @phildavies9082 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I love going up to the tracks in and around Truckee. It's a great way to spend the day.

  • @scottmorris2601
    @scottmorris2601 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I’ve heard that being a fireman has the highest job satisfaction, but I bet driving that train throwing snow is a close second.

  • @resdupbug
    @resdupbug 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    That whistle!!!!! Incredible footage, thank you for sharing it.

  • @1JUSTGOTLUCKY1
    @1JUSTGOTLUCKY1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    What a great video!!! Great vantage points and beautiful definition!!

  • @anb7408
    @anb7408 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Arnold Schwarzenegger would be proud of these snow plows! No “girly man” plows around on that pass. Any plow that can chew through 5-6 deep wet snow is a manly plow!

  • @fhowland
    @fhowland 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Man versus nature. Seriously impressive!

  • @alcopower5710
    @alcopower5710 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Outstanding footage 👍

  • @geoffreylee5199
    @geoffreylee5199 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Great footage!

  • @schwags1969
    @schwags1969 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very impressive. Thank you.

  • @BNforever2009
    @BNforever2009 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Love this!!

  • @skimmer8774
    @skimmer8774 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Spectacular to say the least. I would love to be there for real. Very nice video.

  • @sergiolandz6056
    @sergiolandz6056 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    thank you so much to the people who took this video and stills, amazing ! Love the wintery train scene so awesome !

  • @drive9997
    @drive9997 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Awesome great footage

  • @Luredreier
    @Luredreier ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It's nice to see the rotary working fast and efficiently. =)
    This is more like how they looked here.

  • @scottkelley883
    @scottkelley883 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Very cool. Downtown truckee has an old retired one on display!

  • @josipskrticdomin
    @josipskrticdomin ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Train 🚂 and the snow ⛄️! Beautiful 😍

  • @allenra530
    @allenra530 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Not that long ago they were still using the Southern Pacific steam powered rotaries out of Roseville. The diesels may be more efficient, but the steam machines were much more appealing.

    • @7ideaproductions
      @7ideaproductions  2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Steam powered rotaries put on the best show. Good idea for a future video!

    • @averageguy7136
      @averageguy7136 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Those are the same steam powered rotaries. They are around 100 years old. In the 1950’s they converted them to use a diesel powered steam generator rather than use the original boiler and firebox. The B unit powers the steam generator.

    • @jeffkrob4972
      @jeffkrob4972 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@averageguy7136 Sorry, must disagree. These may be the same steam-powered chassis but the rotary is now powered with traction motors powered by the generator in the (EMD F-7 Type) B units (LOVE that roar, BTW). You can see the electrical cables between the rotary car & the B unit. Yes, there is a steam-making boiler in the B unit but that is to melt snow off the front collection doors around the rotary blade opening.

    • @kleetus92
      @kleetus92 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@jeffkrob4972 Yeah I thing that is an F7P where they're using the steam generator that would have been used for car heat to keep the rotary thawed out... But absolute the 1500hp 16V567 is definitely running a traction motor, or two, in the rotary head to spin her up.

    • @ronbelnap8370
      @ronbelnap8370 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@kleetus92 when I had a rotary on my SP territory on Oregon it had a steam generator in the plow car body for heat, blade heating, and whistle. It also had 3 traction motors turning the blades. All electricity came from the power unit behind.

  • @jayswarrow1196
    @jayswarrow1196 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    12:26 - That idle-to-work gurgle of old 567 series is biblical. Like the Ford FE-block trucks of an era, torque orchestra, at the lowest end possible.
    Also, i enjoyed the wildlife commentary alot :D

  • @lindawebster815
    @lindawebster815 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    😘 Love to see this amazing sight!! Mother Nature came through again for the great opportunity bestowed the crew!!!Thank you 😊 Sincerely yours, a greatfull railroad family from Roseville CA 🤗

  • @keithgeisen
    @keithgeisen ปีที่แล้ว +1

    To have narration added is well received - Thank you.

  • @georgepappas3790
    @georgepappas3790 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What a great video. Thank you.

  • @barbararoberto1258
    @barbararoberto1258 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video will watch again

  • @dwkcamman611
    @dwkcamman611 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Nice work!

  • @robinatkinson6275
    @robinatkinson6275 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great production verry atmospheric

  • @darrellborland119
    @darrellborland119 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    We are "Original Transcon RR" fans, so hit Bloomer Cut, etc., this past Oct. Then Tunnel 6, Summit Tunnel, is pretty awesome to walk thru and consider how it was built. Thanks, and the "Wedding of the Rails" will be this May 10, at Promontory Summit...subscribed.

  • @jamescampbell7780
    @jamescampbell7780 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Impressive!

  • @DJust_Me
    @DJust_Me ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Amazing videos. God bless you, protect you, and keep you safe. Thank you for your great job.

  • @nosaya3
    @nosaya3 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Some serious action!

  • @nikospapageorgiou57
    @nikospapageorgiou57 ปีที่แล้ว

    Two SD70ACe's that is one mighty snowblower consist! And the way the bulldozers scattered at the first sight of the snowblower, was so funny!

  • @-PLAYER0NE-
    @-PLAYER0NE- ปีที่แล้ว

    So cool! I just saw one pass by us in Auburn a while back. Definitely heading for the pass we’ve gotten a lot of snow lately.

  • @trainsmachineryldegmtrains3509
    @trainsmachineryldegmtrains3509 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Amazing video! Great winter capture! Good work! Mega Thumbs Up ☃️🚂🚂🚂☃️❄😎👍👍👍
    Greetungs from Romania
    Andrew

  • @Marlene-Ferreira
    @Marlene-Ferreira 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    ANYONE FOR A SNOWCONE..... YOU JUST HAVE TO ADD YOUR OWN FLAVOR...... It's mesmerizing we dont get snow like that in our Country.... It's Awesome to watch... thank you for sharing 🌟❤☃️🌟❤☃️🌟❤☃️

  • @Parents_of_Twins
    @Parents_of_Twins ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow making the diesel or diesels in that engine work, that's amazing.

  • @connie7226
    @connie7226 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That is so cool to watch

  • @emd6456
    @emd6456 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video!

  • @sgrvtl7183
    @sgrvtl7183 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    AMAZING‼

  • @gregbushman319
    @gregbushman319 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    AWESOME!

  • @judyhereid9723
    @judyhereid9723 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I could watch this allday

  • @willmetz1490
    @willmetz1490 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I remember that big storm, I had to dig my car out of a huge mound of snow

  • @ryanfrogz
    @ryanfrogz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    No kidding about the herd of snowdozers!

    • @stbu9709
      @stbu9709 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      They need a fancier collective term……a gaggle of snowdozers!

    • @spentacle
      @spentacle 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Was the orange one the dominant male?

    • @ryanfrogz
      @ryanfrogz 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      that’s the dozer-herder, responsible for keeping them in line

    • @ronbelnap8370
      @ronbelnap8370 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Actually pushing snow far away from track is critical to keeping the line open. If snow is more than 15 feet deep next to the track rotaries dig a trench, and you are in trouble. Got to have someplace to put it.

  • @rx7cl
    @rx7cl ปีที่แล้ว

    So Wicked, I live in Illinois just went this last weekend on the holiday train at Illinois railway museum so Kool... They had One of the Snow blower train's there, standing in front of this beast is crazy.........

  • @shaunroberts9361
    @shaunroberts9361 ปีที่แล้ว

    This was so Cool to watch..

  • @telsat
    @telsat ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love this

  • @wildbillanderson9100
    @wildbillanderson9100 ปีที่แล้ว

    VERY KOOL TO WATCH THANK U

  • @erichughes284
    @erichughes284 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That train is moving an incredible amount of heavy snow.Very i.pressive

  • @sceneanuerebelrebel9244
    @sceneanuerebelrebel9244 ปีที่แล้ว

    This Winter ought to really keep you busy ...

  • @jw4620
    @jw4620 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very cool!

  • @mixedfruits2631
    @mixedfruits2631 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent

  • @angeloavanti2538
    @angeloavanti2538 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    whoa. impressive.

  • @robertlombardi5317
    @robertlombardi5317 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i love this

  • @ms.annthrope415
    @ms.annthrope415 ปีที่แล้ว

    Near the west end of Truckee Is the Donner Monument. The base of thr Monument is 22 feet high to commemorate the 22 feet of snow that fell and trapped the Donner party that fateful winter. The western side of the Sierra mountains get so much snow because the clouds get stuck in the west side and dump snow all over before moving east over the tops of the Sierra. The snow has so much water content that the snow on the roads freeze and refreeze overnight into solid slabs of ice. We called that Sierra Cement. Driving up and down I-80 sometimes feels like driving in a slot canyon as the snow is more than half way up to the overhead light poles.
    Lived in the foothills close to I-80 for 20 years.

  • @honestspirit56
    @honestspirit56 ปีที่แล้ว

    Freaking awesome!

  • @tennesseegregario7253
    @tennesseegregario7253 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is so relaxing to watch. This and rat shooting.

  • @christopherkane2842
    @christopherkane2842 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hilarious “herd of snow dozers” I guess it’s cheaper than snow cats ?!?

  • @QbutNotTheQ
    @QbutNotTheQ 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    2:25 A majestic herd of snow dozers.

  • @jimmyhook4852
    @jimmyhook4852 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Now that's a long preview though. ^^

  • @VirtualJMills
    @VirtualJMills 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Interesting that the Rotary Plows are using the same spinning-disc window-clearance technique as larger CNC equipment. :-)

    • @jasonharrison25
      @jasonharrison25 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      it's actually the other way around. Trains, boats and ships have been using them long before CNC ever adopted them. but I get your point

  • @slapshot1343
    @slapshot1343 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Greatest video EVERRRRR

  • @KPen3750
    @KPen3750 ปีที่แล้ว

    It is very interesting to me that the rotaries have yet to be converted from steam power. Not that I'm complaining, that whistle is glorious

  • @williamrosier5558
    @williamrosier5558 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ol Man Winter. . LOVE YOU.

  • @robertbeck97850
    @robertbeck97850 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Really enjoy your videos. Your are the Danny Harmon voice of the west🤓. If you have never heard of Danny Harmon just TH-cam Distant Signals by Danny Harmon and you will see what I mean. His voice is so perfect for the railroad videos that he does.
    Robert in Lagrande Oregon.

    • @7ideaproductions
      @7ideaproductions  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thanks Robert. I got into radio in the early 90's and it followed me into my video career.

  • @keithfreeman5204
    @keithfreeman5204 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    My
    dad worked for the C&O/B&O for 35 years. He was on the Track Maintance crew, he ran the Ballast Regulator. Any and all information on what my Dad's job involved is just interesting to me. Dad passed 3 years ago.
    Simply , thanks for the info.

  • @nitaleach6816
    @nitaleach6816 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    As many time I was on Donner, I had no idea this really happened.

  • @TheDukeOfThunder
    @TheDukeOfThunder ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I genuinely had to laugh at the "herd of snow dozers" passing

  • @caseyalan5812
    @caseyalan5812 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Those snow dozers are so stinking cute! 😂😂

  • @milkman81
    @milkman81 ปีที่แล้ว

    Black looks amazing when it’s not covered in salt!

  • @teamidris
    @teamidris 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Stopped because dozer window glass ain’t cheap :o) Where I worked the rail hedge cutter put a bit of wood through a guys bathroom window.

  • @artavproductions8987
    @artavproductions8987 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    admiration for the people, the ingeneers, and their strenght

  • @sammisworkshops3762
    @sammisworkshops3762 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    When UP took over the SP they retired all this snow equipment, they brought it back PDQ come winter. it IS essential equipment to keep this line open.

    • @ronbelnap8370
      @ronbelnap8370 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      They picked the best and rebuilt them. But there are fewer than there used to be. Most are in museums.

  • @sotl97
    @sotl97 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That would be a fun job.

  • @Gorthaur42
    @Gorthaur42 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why did I watch this? No idea. But do I impractically want one for my driveway now? Absolutely.

  • @scottparsons2031
    @scottparsons2031 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Remember when the demacrats said all the glaciers would be melted by 2009 and new york would be under water 😂🤣😆🤣

  • @bikerider4326
    @bikerider4326 ปีที่แล้ว

    They could have created snow shoes and even SKIE’S and toboggans if they had any common sense!😂