Ha! You took the words right out of my mouth! 😂“I got distracted by that bassline”. That run totally got me too. Eugene is phenomenal and one of my favs.
Interestingly, her spoken English doesn’t sound as fluent. I‘m not a native english speaker but the difference between her spoken english and her singing english is really interesting.
I saw an interview with her, and with her singing, she is able to cover her accent perfectly with a ton of practice. When she speaks normally, it is an intense Ukranian accent. She admits to an intense practice to make sure she can do so. Years of it practice through other bands in the past.
Her enunciation is immaculate. She doesn't chop the final sounds - when a word ends with a letter, you hear it. You definitely need to hear/watch "Pit of Consciousness", live in Kiev.
You need to react to Jinjer Perennial live at Whaken. Her switch up from growl to clean is from one word to the next. This performance will blow you away. Love your analysis
Not to be the obnoxious "bUt iT's sPeLlEd WaCkEn!"-guy here, but... no. I'm not gonna. Just gonna enjoy the virtual company of like-minded Metalheads here for a second :) You rock!
Lol Jinjer is ukrainian proggy djent groove metal with complex time-signature maze, polyrhythms and multi-genre blending. They are one of the most talented 4-pieces ever. Tati is one of the best overall metal vocalists and lyricists in the business. Jinjer - Perennial (Live At Wacken 2019) Jinjer - Pit of Consciousness (Live in Kiev) Jinjer - On The Top (Live in Kiev) Jinjer - Who Is Gonna Be The One (Official Live) Jinjer - Teacher Teacher (Official Video) Jinjer - Captain Clock (Live at Resurrection Fest 2018) Jinjer - Cloud Factory (Official Video)
You said you are listening to Slaughter to Prevail. If you want to hear a master of false fold singing, you need to listen to Lorna Shore. Will Ramos is a god in his growling dynamics. I recommend To the Hellfire (one take vocals). For Jinjer, I would look at Perrenial (Live at Wacken) and Pit of Consciousness (Live in Kiev). The later highlights her lowest of lows.
This studio take is one of my favourite. She does it effortlessly and still has time to check the cat is ok at 14:43 and at 21:41 cat is sitting at her feet
You should check out a Live performance video, like "Who's gonna be the One?" or "Perennial": Live at Wacken 2019*, or if you want to see her really go deep the official videos for "Home Back" or "Vortex".
It is *very* easy to become distracted by Eugene's bass work- no need to apologise!! He is the most virtuosic both-hands-always-busy-yet-always-musical-and-in-service-to-the-song bassist in heavy music imho. To show you how good he is, I'd love to see you do a vid on Jinjer's gorgeously thru-composed single "Vortex", & then once you've recorded that, treat yourself to watching the bass playthrough vid which Eugene uploaded- it's a drop-A 5-string #MasterClass with *all* the techniques, & a blueprint for how to enable a single-guitarist heavy band to sound HUGE. If you're not impressed, I'll give you your money back myself! ;)
I'm 48 years old, and up until a few years ago I absolutely hated growling and any kind of harsh vocals. I was also not that fond of heavy metal over all. Then I found Tatiana, and now I absolutely LOVE it! 😄 I have realised that I had only heard bad growling before. Tatiana has made it into an artform, and she has been my gateway drug into harder forms of heavy metal, and I am finding more and more good growlers. My favourites with Jinjer are now some of the most harsh ones. Also Tatiana is a fenomenal performer on stage. I love "who is gonna be the one", the official live performance from Napalm Records TH-cam channel. That shows off both her awesome growling (almost all growl in that song, except for a surprise, as usual), and one of her best stage performances I think. She was on FIRE that day. I also LOVE the official video to "home back", partly because of the awesome singing and growling (the deepest guttural growls I have ever heard from her), partly because of the awesome music, partly because the imagery of the video (GENIOUS video), and last but not least, the topic and absolutely heartbreaking story of the lyrics. She is an absolute POET, and I actually choke up when I listen to that song. Now THAT is something I never thought I would experience. Choking up during deep guttural growling!! I never thought it would be possible. And to think I used to HATE growling until a few years ago! 😄 Good reaction and breakdown of her singing man 👍
Get some Orbit Culture for your newfound journey. I'm 53 and felt the same way you did. In fact the first band I heard do this was lamb of god and I thought, "I will never listen to this sh*t." Wrong. 😂 Try Orbit Culture - Saw For them, that's where most ppl start, and I think you're going to be pleasantly surprised. I know I was. 🤘🤘🤘
You should probably check Pit of Consciousness live in Kiev, she goes even lower there, you might enjoy that one, or Kingdom by Devin Townsend live in EMGtv another great artist to react to. Great reaction by the way🫡
There is no doubt that Tatiana is a really skilled singer, but the whole band has mad skills. Not just in terms of performing the songs, but also writing really sick and different things. I love this band.
It is amazing how good she sounds in live performance. Over an hour, and every bit as good at the end as the beginning. For yourself, check out the playthroughs from the other musicians, they're all fantastic.
If your trying to find the top of her range, it's in I Speak Astronomy official video, if you are trying to find her low. It's the growels in Who Is Gonna Be the One , live.
yes!!! You NEED to see their live performance of "Perennial" at wacken..so.damn.GOOD!| I got to see them live recently in Toronto and they are such talents..im not even a fan of metal, but i HAD to see them live
It's wild that she hasn't had formal training, with how well she modifies her vowels in both the clean and harsh vocals. On top of her insanely good diction and control. I think your next one should be Wallflower - the jazz influence is strong with this band.
Great r&a, thank you for your insight! Your speaking voice is very rich and mellifluous. Yes I said mellifluous lol. BTW that was a 4/4. They just play across the bars so effortlessly, and accentuate notes and phrases so unusually, that even a 4/4 often doesn't sound or feel like a 4/4 in Jinjer's hands. In fact this whole song is in 4/4 (with the tiny exception of two transitions, which are each a quick two beats) which is unusual for these guys. Note how her voice carries the 4/4 in the chorus ("this is what it is...") while the instruments throw the emphasis all over the place. That's very Jinjer. And no, it's not the same song you reacted to before--you had it right, that was Pisces. The dead giveaway is the surprising Reggae part in this song, with the clean guitar emphasizing the 2 and 4. The two compositions have the similarity that there is stark dynamic contrast between heavy parts with harsh vocals and very clean parts with clean vocals. When you go back to Pisces, note how there's more air and softness in her clean tone, emphasizing innocence. She purposely makes it softer than usual, in duality with her shocking harsh phonations. Duality is the theme of that song, and her voice is the perfect vehicle. She is a phenomenal voice actor, telling a story with her voice very much like an opera singer--but with more tools in the toolbox! She has way more than two modes. She's like a master painter with a palette full of colors, and different brushes and tools for varied textures. To me this sets her apart from all other singers. And she doesn't have any clue how she does it! I'm gonna make a couple suggestions. Two names: Melissa Cross and Elizabeth Zharoff/The Charismatic Voice. Elizabeth has an extended interview with Tatiana where you can see (along with the fact that she's a beautiful, charming, quirky, humble person) that she is clueless about how she does it. You'll be shocked by how intuitive and innate her ability is. She's an absolute natural. A unicorn for reals. Melissa is the preeminent vocal coach to the stars of harsh vocals. Although she's more than that, and her method starts with speaking, then singing, and only then screaming. Her expertise goes back decades. She has been credited with saving the voices of many stars, including David Draiman of Disturbed. She debunks some of the fallacies out there about extreme vocals. She invented the phrase vocal fry. She identifies four ways to scream with different mechanics. She was one of the first to put an endoscope down the throat of a singer to observe the oscillations during harsh phonations. Her teaching methods are extraordinary. (One thing I heard her say is that it's not true that the folds vibrate at half the speed for harsh vs clean phonation.) She makes a primary distinction between classical singing and pop singing. In my opinion anyone who's serious about learning healthy ways of singing harshly should check out her videos. Also the Fairy Voice Mother has some excellent videos analyzing Tatiana's skills. And there's a good lesson series from Voice Hacks feat. Chris Liepe. I do believe the difference in perceived pitch of harsh vocals/noise is in the shaping of the mouth and soft palate. It's the difference between shaping "ooh" (low) and "aah" (high). There are infinite variations of vowel sounds, but I believe this is the key. Tatiana is the unschooled master. Please keep bringing us more Jinjer! Very enjoyable to see you going down this rabbit hole. They're a uniquely talented band. They've turned me into a reaction video hobbyist lol. Yours are some of my favorites.
One thing about the "Perennial": Live at Wacken 2018 video is that it is the last song of their set and you can tell she is tired at the start of the song, at the end of the song she is out of breath but you don't hear it during the song. I'm going to suggest 2 vocalists who can add pitch into their screams/harsh vocal, just a bit either at the start or the end of the word/phrase. The first is Devin Townsend "'Kingdom' for EMGtv" th-cam.com/video/nubJjB95VdY/w-d-xo.html singers/vocal coaches seem rather impressed with this one especially if they are opera ones. The second is Courtney LaPlante from Spiritbox, she has a few One Take performances, I'd recommend Circle With Me - Courtney LaPlante live one take performance th-cam.com/video/zMnfkW9UZc4/w-d-xo.html
Tati's best performance of that clean/grit/harsh combo you mentioned is probably in Vortex. For clean/belt/harsh, you want I Speak Astronomy. And if you just wan pure, undiluted aggression, I suggest Sit, Stay, Roll Over.
great vid, tatiana is probably my favorite female metal vocalist. male metal vocalist is a bit harder for me but I recommend Opeth and Mikael Åkerfeldt's Vocals specifically Ghost of Perdition if you want Harsh and clean vocal mix
Thanks for coming back to Jinjer. The band is next level and Tati is just superhuman! I saw them live in Atlanta in December 2022. They were amazing and she does this flawlessly all night. Check them out live on stage. Try "Perennial" live at Wacken or "Pit of Consciousness" live in Kiev. Even more amazing!
If you wanna hear someone who has a lot of pitch in their scream Courtney Laplante from Spiritbox, I always wonder what was so different with her screams but it uniquely sounds fry singing. If you stick with Jinjer Vortex is probably something you would enjoy especially instrumentation its sick.
You my new favorite music react dude,i swear i had the same reactions as you do on my first listen. And I always learn something new from your videos whether it be about singing or producing or music theory,i love it.
I'm not a great fan of growls (though I listened to quite a lot of metal in past, now less but I still do), yet Tatiana is definitely talented in this area. Thanks for a nice R&A as always!
I watched a reaction for Pisces (don't remember the reactor) and someone commented saying she wasn't a good singer, that they were a singer and knew what they spoke of. Love your reaction and giving credit, where credit is due. Tati is awesome ❤️
The band is excellent and Tatiana is amazing, I suggest that you react to and analyse, "Perennial" live at Wacken Open Air Festival from 2019, I also suggest that you do a reaction and analysis, "Vortex" the official music video, and "On The Top" and "Pit of Consciousness" both live in Kiev.
Someone who mixes harsh and 'normal' singing voice at the same time is Alexi Laiho from Children of Bodom. Check out the song Are You Dead Yet, after the chorus he'll switch from just the harsh to the kind of mixed.
If you notice, when she sings the soft part her mouth doesn't open that much, when she sings with the high clean voice her mouth is open wider, and when she growls her mouth is fully wide open. I don't know if it's like that with everyone or if it has significance when she does this
If you want to hear how low she can go with her growls, check out the song Home Back. The whole song is great, but the last 30 seconds or so will blow your mind.
On your point about endurance, listening to "Alive in Melbourne" is something else. If you listen hard it sounds like she starts the concert off cold, and is good, but not spectacular for the first couple of songs... but then by the time "Ape" comes on she hits her stride and is damn near flawless for the next hour. What a treat to listen to.
Not a musician or know much about singing but I find it interesting that you pick out her ability in the low range. What seem strange to me is her speaking voice seems very high naturally but I have noticed that there seems to be a depth( not sure if this is the right word or not) to her clean singing voice as well. Anyway great reaction and great work on the channel. I originally came for the dimash reactions but now that you’ve come to my favorite band I’ll be subbing!
okay you got Tatiana . . . you got Alex . . . now we also need Will Ramos :D Lorna Shore - and i return to nothingness . . . . hard but also melodic . . . . i bet you will be stunned :D
I think to get a better perspective, check out Perennial live at Wacken, as its 100% live with no studio mixing or layering. Sounds exactly as studio version, and my favourite.
I think you'd really enjoy Wallflower, from the album Wallflowers. It hits a lot more singing techniques, including some amazing blues and some of her best low roars.
Tatiana has at least 5 octaves she can cover in growls (if you can call them octaves). There are live performances of her, especially with Vortex, where she drops into bass rumble territory, then she can hit high fry+false folds on the other side... it's almost like a squeak. I often wonder what she could do if she had any vocal training. You just heard reggae blended in, and you're confusing it with a jazz blend 😂. Wait until you hear folk, and rap, and ska, and punk, and... Just Jinjer doing Jinjer things. Prog metal at its best.
Great comment. After checking out Melissa Cross, I kind of wish Tatiana would get some lessons from her. Just for purely selfish reasons--i want Tatiana to keep doing what she does for decades to come!
@@ericpeterson7512considering she is/was a heavy smoker, I think vocally she's stayed healthy on what she can do, but I don't disagree. It wouldn't take much to extend her career a few years once age settles in. Though I can imagine a 50 year old Tati doing jazz with Vlad on piano.
I would highly recommend reacting to something from Van Canto. It's a German metal accapella group, and they are outstanding. We Are One, Time and Time Again, or Fear In the Dark I believe are their best
Months late I know, but here goes: If you pay close attention, you will see that in this band, the drummer and the guitar player tend to be "on the game thing" and the bass player is more there to support the vocal line. Most bands it is the other way around with the guitar forming the vocal space and giving tone support. Here it is the bass player most of the time.
I feel like her harsh vocals in Pisces were mostly pure false fold, whereas there may be more of a mix with some fry screaming here. I don’t really have deep scientific understanding of it, and I’m just kind of basing that on the sound and my own journey with learning how to do harsh vocals, since I honestly don’t know exactly what I’m doing to make the sounds 😂
In all honesty my fave part of her performance is that brief, super-rhythmic reggae-style delivery. A bit envious because I can never nail a vocal in one take. But when teaching myself to growl I knew there had to be a viable way- these bands tour and the lead voices have to hold up. For devastatingly low growls, I suggest “Home Back”: by track’s end her voice hits the very bottom.
And this version is even better than the studio version. She really is an impressive vocalist. Also - you have to remember that she is quite small - like between 5'1" and 5'4". She frequently performs on boxes at the front of the stage to elevate herself (and it looks badass too...) so those low notes coming out of a smaller frame are that much more impressive. Edit: And a little interesting FYI - I have seen many singer/screamer/growler vocalists say that it is the singing that actually causes them the most issues with performing night after night, not the screams or growls. Goes to show that when the technique is truly mastered, the vocal cords do not play a part in their performance at all. As a matter of fact, in Jinjer's song Pieces, she has a beautiful belt - well live, she generally growls through that line instead because it is too taxing to belt that night after night.
The fact that you didn't remember if that was the same song means it's been too long. I think Perennial from Wacken 2018 will be interesting to see next.
I hear only 4/4, with two quick transitions of one measure of 2/4 (could add those to one of the 4's to get a 6). I'd be interested to know where you're hearing the 3/4. Have you ever tried to count the chorus of Pisces? I'd love to see the chart. It seems open to interpretation. It's a matter of emphasis. It's almost like a single measure of 20/8, repeated. With one measure of 2/4 at the very beginning for the four-note guitar/bass riff. Sick!
This recording was done with minimal effects (maybe none but I don't know for certain) on the vocals. Usually there is a fair amount of delay/echo added, along with compression and equalization too. And there are no additional vocals layered in either. Those are probably the main reasons why the perceived pitch is higher here. Anything that might enhance the lower frequencies has been left out.
Jinjer is amazing, Tatiana is one of the top metal voices in my opinion. If she would ever co-op with Alissa White-Gluz and Linzey Rae I’d definitely buy that stuff. However, so 44 hours before you premiere the video; is it to late to write her name correctly? Her name is Tatiana Shmayluk.
Interesting comment about it being harder to hear her clean voice over the music compared to the harsh vocals. It's a classic "engineering trick" to put some distortion on sounds to make them more prevalent in a mix. Normally done with bass and vocals to make them "pop" a bit more. She is basically doing that on her own with the harsh voice.
I occasionally use my false cords for certain character voices when acting, and it has taken practice to be able to maintain them for a full performance, especially when there are musical numbers. It's definitely doable tho. You really gotta pay attention to how it feels in the throat. If it is scratchy at all, it is time to stop.
Ha! You took the words right out of my mouth! 😂“I got distracted by that bassline”. That run totally got me too. Eugene is phenomenal and one of my favs.
whos gonna be the one bassline is absurd:)
The fact that English is not her first language is mind blowing to me, such amazing enunciation and and flow in her lyrics!
Interestingly, her spoken English doesn’t sound as fluent. I‘m not a native english speaker but the difference between her spoken english and her singing english is really interesting.
I saw an interview with her, and with her singing, she is able to cover her accent perfectly with a ton of practice. When she speaks normally, it is an intense Ukranian accent. She admits to an intense practice to make sure she can do so. Years of it practice through other bands in the past.
There is for sure more accent in this song then in piesces, and i like it.
Her enunciation is immaculate. She doesn't chop the final sounds - when a word ends with a letter, you hear it.
You definitely need to hear/watch "Pit of Consciousness", live in Kiev.
Pit of Consciousness live is absolutely must to watch. As well as "Perennial" live at Wacken.
compare that to an arianna grande who seems to singlikeitisonelongwordwithoutpauses
That transition at @3:13 was into Reggae! That IS a reggae time signature and perhaps that's why she's wearing the colours of the Caribbean...
"The technical term is noise". My god as a metalhead of 40+ years that's all I've ever heard. From my parents, coworkers, friends, anyone. 😂
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"What do you wanna do with your life!"
"I wanna rock!!"
You need to react to Jinjer Perennial live at Whaken. Her switch up from growl to clean is from one word to the next. This performance will blow you away. Love your analysis
This.
Not to be the obnoxious "bUt iT's sPeLlEd WaCkEn!"-guy here, but... no. I'm not gonna. Just gonna enjoy the virtual company of like-minded Metalheads here for a second :) You rock!
Yeah I just commented about the Wacken one
Lol Jinjer is ukrainian proggy djent groove metal with complex time-signature maze, polyrhythms and multi-genre blending. They are one of the most talented 4-pieces ever. Tati is one of the best overall metal vocalists and lyricists in the business.
Jinjer - Perennial (Live At Wacken 2019)
Jinjer - Pit of Consciousness (Live in Kiev)
Jinjer - On The Top (Live in Kiev)
Jinjer - Who Is Gonna Be The One (Official Live)
Jinjer - Teacher Teacher (Official Video)
Jinjer - Captain Clock (Live at Resurrection Fest 2018)
Jinjer - Cloud Factory (Official Video)
Jinjer is on its way to be the Rush of a new era. Now we just need a 20 minute song and some that pass to others to tell a long story.
Perennial live at Wacken HAS TO BE NEXT!!!
SUCH A GREAR PERFORMANCE 🥳
You said you are listening to Slaughter to Prevail. If you want to hear a master of false fold singing, you need to listen to Lorna Shore. Will Ramos is a god in his growling dynamics. I recommend To the Hellfire (one take vocals). For Jinjer, I would look at Perrenial (Live at Wacken) and Pit of Consciousness (Live in Kiev). The later highlights her lowest of lows.
This studio take is one of my favourite. She does it effortlessly and still has time to check the cat is ok at 14:43 and at 21:41 cat is sitting at her feet
My first question was whether the cat would get scared when she went into demon mode - apparently not!
You should check out a Live performance video, like "Who's gonna be the One?" or "Perennial": Live at Wacken 2019*, or if you want to see her really go deep the official videos for "Home Back" or "Vortex".
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Perennial: Live at Wacken *2019
@@g3synth205 oops, thanks for the correction.
It is *very* easy to become distracted by Eugene's bass work- no need to apologise!!
He is the most virtuosic both-hands-always-busy-yet-always-musical-and-in-service-to-the-song bassist in heavy music imho.
To show you how good he is, I'd love to see you do a vid on Jinjer's gorgeously thru-composed single "Vortex", & then once you've recorded that, treat yourself to watching the bass playthrough vid which Eugene uploaded- it's a drop-A 5-string #MasterClass with *all* the techniques, & a blueprint for how to enable a single-guitarist heavy band to sound HUGE. If you're not impressed, I'll give you your money back myself! ;)
She is the master of pitched screams, and here vocal flips is just the best kind of nasty! 🤩
The term for the noice that she makes in her screams, is called pitched screams. 😄
Tatiana is super talented, her range is insane and such a beautiful person - big love from Portugal
I'm 48 years old, and up until a few years ago I absolutely hated growling and any kind of harsh vocals. I was also not that fond of heavy metal over all.
Then I found Tatiana, and now I absolutely LOVE it! 😄
I have realised that I had only heard bad growling before. Tatiana has made it into an artform, and she has been my gateway drug into harder forms of heavy metal, and I am finding more and more good growlers.
My favourites with Jinjer are now some of the most harsh ones.
Also Tatiana is a fenomenal performer on stage. I love "who is gonna be the one", the official live performance from Napalm Records TH-cam channel. That shows off both her awesome growling (almost all growl in that song, except for a surprise, as usual), and one of her best stage performances I think. She was on FIRE that day.
I also LOVE the official video to "home back", partly because of the awesome singing and growling (the deepest guttural growls I have ever heard from her), partly because of the awesome music, partly because the imagery of the video (GENIOUS video), and last but not least, the topic and absolutely heartbreaking story of the lyrics. She is an absolute POET, and I actually choke up when I listen to that song.
Now THAT is something I never thought I would experience. Choking up during deep guttural growling!! I never thought it would be possible. And to think I used to HATE growling until a few years ago! 😄
Good reaction and breakdown of her singing man 👍
Get some Orbit Culture for your newfound journey.
I'm 53 and felt the same way you did. In fact the first band I heard do this was lamb of god and I thought, "I will never listen to this sh*t."
Wrong. 😂
Try Orbit Culture - Saw
For them, that's where most ppl start, and I think you're going to be pleasantly surprised. I know I was. 🤘🤘🤘
@@SwedeSpeeder I will definitely have a look at that. Thank you 👍
Thank you for that. Next Jinger: Teacher Teacher live!?
You should probably check Pit of Consciousness live in Kiev, she goes even lower there, you might enjoy that one, or Kingdom by Devin Townsend live in EMGtv another great artist to react to. Great reaction by the way🫡
Perennial at Wacken is great so you can see a totally live performance.
There is no doubt that Tatiana is a really skilled singer, but the whole band has mad skills. Not just in terms of performing the songs, but also writing really sick and different things. I love this band.
Always impressed with your talent for getting the technique. Great videos.
It is amazing how good she sounds in live performance. Over an hour, and every bit as good at the end as the beginning.
For yourself, check out the playthroughs from the other musicians, they're all fantastic.
So cool to learn more about the music we love by professionals!
You gotta react to "who is gonna be the one " live Tatiana goes Beast mode and Eugene is crushing it on the bass
Definitely not something I'd have watched on my own. Thank you for another awesome R&A! Always something to learn from every one!
If your trying to find the top of her range, it's in I Speak Astronomy official video, if you are trying to find her low. It's the growels in Who Is Gonna Be the One , live.
yes!!! You NEED to see their live performance of "Perennial" at wacken..so.damn.GOOD!|
I got to see them live recently in Toronto and they are such talents..im not even a fan of metal, but i HAD to see them live
Eugene is a beast on the bass. He even has some bass playthroughs of some of their songs if you'd like to check them out.
^^This! Eugene is monstrous!
I’m really liking your analyses. Your knowledge of technique is astounding! Much respect to opera singers
It's wild that she hasn't had formal training, with how well she modifies her vowels in both the clean and harsh vocals. On top of her insanely good diction and control. I think your next one should be Wallflower - the jazz influence is strong with this band.
Adding my voice for Wallflower. One of their more beautiful songs. Nice use of some interesting time signatures too, with some 5/8 and 6/8 mixed in.
And singing in, to her, a foreign language!
Thanks Peter! Can't wait to hear your version of Operatic Screamo ❤
Great r&a, thank you for your insight! Your speaking voice is very rich and mellifluous. Yes I said mellifluous lol.
BTW that was a 4/4. They just play across the bars so effortlessly, and accentuate notes and phrases so unusually, that even a 4/4 often doesn't sound or feel like a 4/4 in Jinjer's hands. In fact this whole song is in 4/4 (with the tiny exception of two transitions, which are each a quick two beats) which is unusual for these guys. Note how her voice carries the 4/4 in the chorus ("this is what it is...") while the instruments throw the emphasis all over the place. That's very Jinjer.
And no, it's not the same song you reacted to before--you had it right, that was Pisces. The dead giveaway is the surprising Reggae part in this song, with the clean guitar emphasizing the 2 and 4. The two compositions have the similarity that there is stark dynamic contrast between heavy parts with harsh vocals and very clean parts with clean vocals. When you go back to Pisces, note how there's more air and softness in her clean tone, emphasizing innocence. She purposely makes it softer than usual, in duality with her shocking harsh phonations. Duality is the theme of that song, and her voice is the perfect vehicle.
She is a phenomenal voice actor, telling a story with her voice very much like an opera singer--but with more tools in the toolbox! She has way more than two modes. She's like a master painter with a palette full of colors, and different brushes and tools for varied textures. To me this sets her apart from all other singers.
And she doesn't have any clue how she does it!
I'm gonna make a couple suggestions. Two names: Melissa Cross and Elizabeth Zharoff/The Charismatic Voice. Elizabeth has an extended interview with Tatiana where you can see (along with the fact that she's a beautiful, charming, quirky, humble person) that she is clueless about how she does it. You'll be shocked by how intuitive and innate her ability is. She's an absolute natural. A unicorn for reals.
Melissa is the preeminent vocal coach to the stars of harsh vocals. Although she's more than that, and her method starts with speaking, then singing, and only then screaming. Her expertise goes back decades. She has been credited with saving the voices of many stars, including David Draiman of Disturbed. She debunks some of the fallacies out there about extreme vocals. She invented the phrase vocal fry. She identifies four ways to scream with different mechanics. She was one of the first to put an endoscope down the throat of a singer to observe the oscillations during harsh phonations. Her teaching methods are extraordinary. (One thing I heard her say is that it's not true that the folds vibrate at half the speed for harsh vs clean phonation.) She makes a primary distinction between classical singing and pop singing. In my opinion anyone who's serious about learning healthy ways of singing harshly should check out her videos.
Also the Fairy Voice Mother has some excellent videos analyzing Tatiana's skills. And there's a good lesson series from Voice Hacks feat. Chris Liepe.
I do believe the difference in perceived pitch of harsh vocals/noise is in the shaping of the mouth and soft palate. It's the difference between shaping "ooh" (low) and "aah" (high). There are infinite variations of vowel sounds, but I believe this is the key. Tatiana is the unschooled master.
Please keep bringing us more Jinjer! Very enjoyable to see you going down this rabbit hole. They're a uniquely talented band. They've turned me into a reaction video hobbyist lol. Yours are some of my favorites.
ooooh yes, this is going to be fun. You are spoiling me right now Peter, going straight from Ren to Jinjer ❤
Glad to see you enjoying Jinjer. My personal favorite is Pit of Consciousness Live in Kiev
One thing about the "Perennial": Live at Wacken 2018 video is that it is the last song of their set and you can tell she is tired at the start of the song, at the end of the song she is out of breath but you don't hear it during the song.
I'm going to suggest 2 vocalists who can add pitch into their screams/harsh vocal, just a bit either at the start or the end of the word/phrase. The first is Devin Townsend "'Kingdom' for EMGtv" th-cam.com/video/nubJjB95VdY/w-d-xo.html singers/vocal coaches seem rather impressed with this one especially if they are opera ones. The second is Courtney LaPlante from Spiritbox, she has a few One Take performances, I'd recommend Circle With Me - Courtney LaPlante live one take performance th-cam.com/video/zMnfkW9UZc4/w-d-xo.html
Also, her enunciation is so clear. If a word ends a letter, you hear it.
Lions At The Gate - "Find My Way" featuring Tatiana Shmayluk of Jinjer (Official Music Video 4K)
Thank you Petet for a nice analysis. I have listened to them alot, and they still amaze me.
You said it.. what I've said for a few years now... It's not a growl. IT"S A ROAR!!!!
Tati's best performance of that clean/grit/harsh combo you mentioned is probably in Vortex. For clean/belt/harsh, you want I Speak Astronomy. And if you just wan pure, undiluted aggression, I suggest Sit, Stay, Roll Over.
great vid, tatiana is probably my favorite female metal vocalist. male metal vocalist is a bit harder for me but I recommend Opeth and Mikael Åkerfeldt's Vocals specifically Ghost of Perdition if you want Harsh and clean vocal mix
Thanks for coming back to Jinjer. The band is next level and Tati is just superhuman! I saw them live in Atlanta in December 2022. They were amazing and she does this flawlessly all night. Check them out live on stage. Try "Perennial" live at Wacken or "Pit of Consciousness" live in Kiev. Even more amazing!
I was at that show brother! It was awesome! My first Jinjer live experience!
She does a full clean to harsh transition in their song "Vortex". That one will for sure take you on a journey. highly recommended
She's got a nice range in Pit of Consciousness live in Kyiv.
If you wanna hear someone who has a lot of pitch in their scream Courtney Laplante from Spiritbox, I always wonder what was so different with her screams but it uniquely sounds fry singing. If you stick with Jinjer Vortex is probably something you would enjoy especially instrumentation its sick.
You my new favorite music react dude,i swear i had the same reactions as you do on my first listen. And I always learn something new from your videos whether it be about singing or producing or music theory,i love it.
Love hearing that! Cheers mate
I'm not a great fan of growls (though I listened to quite a lot of metal in past, now less but I still do), yet Tatiana is definitely talented in this area. Thanks for a nice R&A as always!
'Whi'scgonna be the one' live, is one of my favs. also insane bassline
You should check out the live performance of Perennial. It's the last song in their set and she still belts it out
I love this song! Kitty! Yay!
I watched a reaction for Pisces (don't remember the reactor) and someone commented saying she wasn't a good singer, that they were a singer and knew what they spoke of. Love your reaction and giving credit, where credit is due. Tati is awesome ❤️
The band is excellent and Tatiana is amazing, I suggest that you react to and analyse, "Perennial" live at Wacken Open Air Festival from 2019, I also suggest that you do a reaction and analysis, "Vortex" the official music video, and "On The Top" and "Pit of Consciousness" both live in Kiev.
Yay been waiting on this one! Love your appreciation for the genre and technique!
Someone who mixes harsh and 'normal' singing voice at the same time is Alexi Laiho from Children of Bodom. Check out the song Are You Dead Yet, after the chorus he'll switch from just the harsh to the kind of mixed.
If you notice, when she sings the soft part her mouth doesn't open that much, when she sings with the high clean voice her mouth is open wider, and when she growls her mouth is fully wide open. I don't know if it's like that with everyone or if it has significance when she does this
"Circle With Me" by Spirit Box (Courtney's one take performance) would be great for you to check out! She does a couple of pitched screams in it ;)
Courtney has a super cool way of interspersing pitched notes with harsh notes.
I Love Jinjer, surprised you found her.
If you want to hear how low she can go with her growls, check out the song Home Back. The whole song is great, but the last 30 seconds or so will blow your mind.
On your point about endurance, listening to "Alive in Melbourne" is something else. If you listen hard it sounds like she starts the concert off cold, and is good, but not spectacular for the first couple of songs... but then by the time "Ape" comes on she hits her stride and is damn near flawless for the next hour. What a treat to listen to.
Not a musician or know much about singing but I find it interesting that you pick out her ability in the low range. What seem strange to me is her speaking voice seems very high naturally but I have noticed that there seems to be a depth( not sure if this is the right word or not) to her clean singing voice as well. Anyway great reaction and great work on the channel. I originally came for the dimash reactions but now that you’ve come to my favorite band I’ll be subbing!
okay you got Tatiana . . . you got Alex . . . now we also need Will Ramos :D Lorna Shore - and i return to nothingness . . . . hard but also melodic . . . . i bet you will be stunned :D
The song Black water is clean all the way through
I think you're right, let's see:
"Oh black water, keep on rolling
Mississippi moon won't you keep on shining on me"
Yes! All clean!!
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When a gorgeous woman can turn your world upside down.
I love your detailed analysis.
Ck out Jinjer Perennial live at Whaken. Her voice and bass playing are insanely good!
Alex terrible has so much power behind his growls
I think to get a better perspective, check out Perennial live at Wacken, as its 100% live with no studio mixing or layering. Sounds exactly as studio version, and my favourite.
The only "pitch" change is done by vowel formation...as at the end of Pisces
I think you'd really enjoy Wallflower, from the album Wallflowers. It hits a lot more singing techniques, including some amazing blues and some of her best low roars.
The screams here are true fold and false fold together
In the first verse and similar passages they're doing a regae rhythm.
She is my rock goddess
Tatiana has at least 5 octaves she can cover in growls (if you can call them octaves). There are live performances of her, especially with Vortex, where she drops into bass rumble territory, then she can hit high fry+false folds on the other side... it's almost like a squeak.
I often wonder what she could do if she had any vocal training.
You just heard reggae blended in, and you're confusing it with a jazz blend 😂. Wait until you hear folk, and rap, and ska, and punk, and...
Just Jinjer doing Jinjer things. Prog metal at its best.
Great comment. After checking out Melissa Cross, I kind of wish Tatiana would get some lessons from her. Just for purely selfish reasons--i want Tatiana to keep doing what she does for decades to come!
@@ericpeterson7512considering she is/was a heavy smoker, I think vocally she's stayed healthy on what she can do, but I don't disagree. It wouldn't take much to extend her career a few years once age settles in.
Though I can imagine a 50 year old Tati doing jazz with Vlad on piano.
I would highly recommend reacting to something from Van Canto. It's a German metal accapella group, and they are outstanding. We Are One, Time and Time Again, or Fear In the Dark I believe are their best
also might want to check out spiritbox, another great female vocal led band.
Months late I know, but here goes: If you pay close attention, you will see that in this band, the drummer and the guitar player tend to be "on the game thing" and the bass player is more there to support the vocal line. Most bands it is the other way around with the guitar forming the vocal space and giving tone support. Here it is the bass player most of the time.
The Hardkiss " Helpless "
Courtney LePlante from Spiritbox is also another metal vocalist with incredible cleans and brutal screams.
is love your analysis
great reaction
You need to listen to Ayreon, imagine metal + musical theatre with 10+ singers in one song...
I feel like her harsh vocals in Pisces were mostly pure false fold, whereas there may be more of a mix with some fry screaming here. I don’t really have deep scientific understanding of it, and I’m just kind of basing that on the sound and my own journey with learning how to do harsh vocals, since I honestly don’t know exactly what I’m doing to make the sounds 😂
In all honesty my fave part of her performance is that brief, super-rhythmic reggae-style delivery. A bit envious because I can never nail a vocal in one take. But when teaching myself to growl I knew there had to be a viable way- these bands tour and the lead voices have to hold up. For devastatingly low growls, I suggest “Home Back”: by track’s end her voice hits the very bottom.
home back, who is gonna be the one, or vortex. have some suuuper low growls. love the content. love jinjer
been waiting for this reaction
Dream Theater won a Grammy with their song The Alien that was in 17/8. 😂
On-point analysis.
You need to look at vortex the end is crazy deep
I agree, Eugene Kostyuk on bass is great.
And this version is even better than the studio version. She really is an impressive vocalist. Also - you have to remember that she is quite small - like between 5'1" and 5'4". She frequently performs on boxes at the front of the stage to elevate herself (and it looks badass too...) so those low notes coming out of a smaller frame are that much more impressive.
Edit: And a little interesting FYI - I have seen many singer/screamer/growler vocalists say that it is the singing that actually causes them the most issues with performing night after night, not the screams or growls. Goes to show that when the technique is truly mastered, the vocal cords do not play a part in their performance at all. As a matter of fact, in Jinjer's song Pieces, she has a beautiful belt - well live, she generally growls through that line instead because it is too taxing to belt that night after night.
The fact that you didn't remember if that was the same song means it's been too long. I think Perennial from Wacken 2018 will be interesting to see next.
Please check out Jinjer - Pit of Consciousness (Live in Kiev)!
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You should check out retrospection, my 100% favorite song by them
the song is in from what I can tell is in 4 different time signatures 4/4, 6/4, 3/4 and 2/4
I hear only 4/4, with two quick transitions of one measure of 2/4 (could add those to one of the 4's to get a 6). I'd be interested to know where you're hearing the 3/4.
Have you ever tried to count the chorus of Pisces? I'd love to see the chart. It seems open to interpretation. It's a matter of emphasis. It's almost like a single measure of 20/8, repeated. With one measure of 2/4 at the very beginning for the four-note guitar/bass riff. Sick!
Lol except I just checked out a guitar tab for Pisces, and the freaking chorus is mostly 4/4! WTF! Mind officially blown!
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This recording was done with minimal effects (maybe none but I don't know for certain) on the vocals. Usually there is a fair amount of delay/echo added, along with compression and equalization too. And there are no additional vocals layered in either. Those are probably the main reasons why the perceived pitch is higher here. Anything that might enhance the lower frequencies has been left out.
Jinjer is amazing, Tatiana is one of the top metal voices in my opinion. If she would ever co-op with Alissa White-Gluz and Linzey Rae I’d definitely buy that stuff.
However, so 44 hours before you premiere the video; is it to late to write her name correctly? Her name is Tatiana Shmayluk.
Fixed! Thanks for pointing that out -- if you refresh, you'll see the new spelling in the thumbnail.
The change is also because this core metal band fuses different kinds of music, here whatever that was at the beginning and reggae
Interesting comment about it being harder to hear her clean voice over the music compared to the harsh vocals. It's a classic "engineering trick" to put some distortion on sounds to make them more prevalent in a mix. Normally done with bass and vocals to make them "pop" a bit more. She is basically doing that on her own with the harsh voice.
I occasionally use my false cords for certain character voices when acting, and it has taken practice to be able to maintain them for a full performance, especially when there are musical numbers. It's definitely doable tho. You really gotta pay attention to how it feels in the throat. If it is scratchy at all, it is time to stop.