This video has taught me that my so called "subharmonic" has been second subharmonic all along, and my actual subharmonic was misrecognized as "just a low chest note"
That’s interesting… Are you sure about that? It’s not a natural thing to sing subharmonics without noticing it yourself. There’s a pretty obvious transition to it. The drop from your chest voice to the first subharmonic should be exactly one octave. The drop to the second subharmonic should be a fifth. This way you can identify what subharmonic your singing.
@@jmbmusic1 The thing is that I learnt subharmonics not by singing a higher note then going down an octave, I went to my lowest chest note and tried finding alternatives to go lower and accidentally developed scuffed subharmonics. I didn't know much about singing techniques at the time and it slowly got more natural so I just assumed my chest range increased. But now going by feel and listening I realized some notes between my chest and subharmonic limit (around C2) are actually first subs
I am not a dude, but I can sing from A0 to A5 in chest, using the humming technique and the subharmonic vocal technique for my lowest notes and the upper belting technique for my highest notes, but I can also reach the notes from A1 to A0 with fry, so on the days when I cannot go lower than A1 / G1 using the subharmonic technique I can still reach those notes using the vocal fry, though A1 / G1 to A5 is very stable and I can access this chest range at any time or almost any time - I can also sing from C6 in C8 in actual head voice, as I am the coloratura sopranino with the highest and whitest / lightest / brightest voice ever, which has extreme flexibility and agility, and I have the widest natural ranges in all vocal registers, so even my mixed voice can be stretched up to a C7 on a good day, and my whistle register goes from the 4th octave into the 10th or 11th octave, as it goes into the inaudible! (To go lower, I would recommend learning the subharmonic vocal technique, as one can go lower using this technique!)
The subharmonic vocal technique is a vocal technique that pushes the chest voice to its absolute lowest, so it’s like the opposite of the belting technique - one can try at first by pushing the larynx lower with the hand, and letting the chest voice start making those thrill-like sounds (like, when it vibrates like that, and the vibrations should be pushed lower and lower, until it feels like the vibration comes from the upper part of the chest) and then trying to control it from there, for example, trying to go lower and lower, or trying to hold the note for a few seconds at first, but it takes a lot of air, so it takes practice to learn to control the breath, so that one can go lower and lower before running out of breath, so, one might want to start doing breathing exercises first and learn how to hold the breath for one minute or two minutes or three minutes even, as being able to hold one’s breath longer makes it easier to reach for the lower notes before running out of breath, because it’s easier to go lower when doing a scale (from a more comfortable low note to notes that are lower and lower) than just randomly trying to reach the lowest note without the scale! (By the way, the voice may start cracking while trying to go lower and lower with the subharmonic technique, but when this occurs, a different placement should be tried, and less intensity should be used, so, trying to let it go lower without pushing it harder in that way, as that can cause more voice cracks and it can make the voice try to go higher instead of lower, so it also takes some extra practice to learn how to control this and how to push the voice lower the right way, and to figure out how to control the pitch and intensity and placement etc...)
Yeah, we are really doing similar things😅 It‘s just a ton of fun, isn‘t it? I think I‘ll use that My Mother Told Me song in a lot of future videos as the end credits song...😂 It just works perfectly for that
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@@jmbmusic1 yes it's fun helps me set low notes goals as well. Also I agree that will be an awesome trademark for your videos, it's gold🔥🔥
Nice! I'm a girl who can sing down to B2, and I've been trying to learn subharmonics. Psyched to see that if I keep practicing, I could invade baritone or bass territory
It's definitely worth working on, otherwise you'd be wasting your instrument's potential. True contraltos often have really interesting vocal colors at the low end, and using subharmonics only increases that uniqueness. For working on your low end you can also play with a high vocal placement using chest and nasal resonance to still hit low notes without losing agility, or even polyphonic production for the subharmonic (similar to what Diana Ankudinova does).
@Kunou, thanks for clueing me in to Diana Ankudinova. I've been watching some of Elizabeth Zharoff's reactions to her, and she's got a really interesting sound! @Alien Baconation, wouldn't that be something? I don't think they'd count subharmonics, but might still be a fun challenge *Searches lowest female note* That's... That's vocal fry??? That counts? I honestly think I can hit that @JMB Music, can I get a fresh link to that bass discord?
Thank you! I‘m happy to hear that this was an inspiration for you! Unfortunately I don’t have enough clips to make a part two because I haven’t recorded any second subs in a while. Also it doesn’t really fit that well with my content nowadays…
0:44 I'M SORRY, BUT I DIEDDD 🤣🤣🤣 (I don't mean to offend-) Other than that, you are UNBELIEVABLE!!! I NEVER imagined a TENOR reaching GEOFF'S notes!!! Great job! 👏👏👏
Do not take this negatively in any ways!! But it's so strange to hear (Subs) version of the notes that are so easily accessible to me, and so impressive to hear you get to the 2nd harmonics rather effortlessly until you get to f#1 and f1. I still am struggling to access my 2nd subs (which are 1 octave below yours)
@@stevendeslauriers1369 Thanks!! I am unfortunately not blessed with a naturally low voice, so using subs, seconds subs or other techniques for everything below F2 is a must for me. Sometimes I even use subs up to G2 or G#2 cause they are qualitatively better than my low chest notes.
Oh my word. That is impressive. I didn't know a tenor could do that. I can't help wonder if Geoff knows about this technique, and what notes he could hit using it. Though I also notice, you haven't managed the E1 that Geoff hits in so many different songs.
Thank you very much! Geoff knows about this technique but he said that he doesn’t really know how to use it and he’s pretty happy with his 1st subs so he doesn’t need it. I unfortunately can’t really sing an E1 in second subs. It’s just too low.
Thank you very much!!! But keep in mind that I can’t hit these second subs with this quality daily… It has to be a good day for me to hit them like that.
Dankeschön! Ich werde definitiv weitere solcher Projekte machen. Jedoch habe ich momentan wenig Zeit, also werden die Abstände zwischen den videos ziemlich groß sein...
Verständlich, ist ja auch offensichtlich super zeitaufwändig was du da kreierst. Bin auf jeden Fall schon gespannt auf die kommenden Projekte und deine weitere Entwicklung ☺️
Well, I don’t really practice subharmonics with specific exercises. I simply play around with it all the time. And over time I developed decent control. But it took me about one year to get subharmonics kind of consistent. And Thanks for the compliment!
@@jmbmusic1 woah, I don’t know my range but I know about D2 is my lowest useable but I can hit highs like a tenor. I’m not trained I just have a lot of range.
Watching this video once per day. Really like your subharmonics! And your growl in Arabian Nights. And I'm trying from a month to learn subharmonic too :)
An octave is a musical term for two notes that are exactly half the frequency or double the frequency apart from one another. The Subharmonic register is a specific singing technique that allows you to sing a lot lower than you usually could. With a normal Subharmonic note you automatically sing a note that’s one octave below the note that you‘re actually singing.
Thanks! I don’t really know any good tips. This is how I ‚practice‘ my second subs: Whenever I notice that I have strong 1st subs I also try singing Second subs and sing as much with them as possible. I don’t really have any specific exercises.
I find it Intresting seeing tenors use subs just seeing the difference from mine to theirs I would consider my self a low baritone with a pretty reliable E2 and I can get G1 pretty good but never E1-C1 except in the morning lol and your 2nd subs are really good btw nice vid!
1:08 That's the advantage of being a bari-tenor, I suppose. C#2 in subharmonic is a tad too high for me and sounds like your sub F#2. My sub F#2 sounds like I'm doing straight up overtone singing 😄
I've been practicing subharmonics for a while, and I think I can get around to a C#1 with it which is great. But I'm still trying to learn how to do second subharmonic but I can't begin to figure it out. Do you think you could give me a quick synopsis on how to do it?
Have you watched David Larson’s Tutorial on second subs? That tutorial was all I needed to figure out second subs. There’s not really much more I can teach. Maybe I can give you one tip: Remember when you first learned subharmonics. It probably took you some time to even find that sweet spot or that balance to sing a normal subharmonic. Now for second subs you‘ll have to find the next sweet spot after you already entered your first sub. The reason you struggle is probably because that Second sweet spot is like ten times as hard to find as the first one. And the next problem is that sometimes a second sub can be mistaken for fry when first messing around with it. There‘s such a fine line between slipping into fry and staying in second subs that you might not feel a difference at first. My tip is: Try practicing second subs when your regular subs are super solid. Try slipping down into the next register. It might take you some time to get a second sub out but I‘m sure it‘s gonna happen, sooner or later. After that just try to replicate that feeling and just practice, practice, practice. I hope this helps, I am not very good at explaining things.
@@jmbmusic1 That was pretty straightforward. Thanks a lot. I did watch David's tutorial on it, but in my opinion he didn't really explain it in a way I could understand. The way you just explained it made a lot more sense to me. Thanks
Dude great job, really. I don't really know how to train my second sub. I can use the first sub to go A1, dome times i achieved G1 and E1 but I don't know if that was just morning voice, if i used the first sub or i randomly used the second sub. How did you train to achieve the second subharmonic?
Thanks! I‘m just playing around with subharmonics all the time and I‘ve been doing it for 21 Months now. After some time I hit my first second sub and tried it every now and then. I don’t have a specific exercise for subharmonics. I simply use it as often as possible.
@@CatholicQuartet Hahahaha!!! Definitely look up subharmonics (the technique used in this video) and ingressive phonation if you want to learn more about low singing techniques…
(Talking about your Kidnap The Sandy Claus attempt) Your first subharmonics are actually chest notes and what you call second subharmonics is actually the first subharmonics
Well, I will take that as a compliment! These were actually first subharmonics! My chest sounds way different. And believe me when I say: I know exactly when I‘m hitting a normal subharmonic, a Second subharmonic or a chest note. Fun fact: I CAN‘T hit anything below F2 in chest and because of that an F#1 using first subharmonics is also impossible for me.
Wow dude, that was awesome. I would like to master subharmonics, as well. My chest range starts at E2, D2 in the morning but i cant really go below that unless i go into chest fry or growl.
@@jmbmusic1 Yeah, i never knew they can sound so full when sung by a tenor. I guess its all about the technique. I figured out how to do it, but it's still inconsistent, but when i initiate the subharmonic i can do scales and go up/down in pitch. But my throat has to be super relaxed to even get it out.
@@inceptionsd Subharmonics can sound full when sung by a Tenor but they will never have the same ‚dark‘ sound that they have when sung by a Bass. In a Studio Setting you can make subharmonics from Tenors sound almost the same as subharmonics from Basses. It‘s all about the editing. And yeah, the beginning of learning subharmonics is kind of difficult from my experience. But once your subharmonics are a little more consistent you can start using them while singing along to some bass lines or whatever you are listening to. That helps a ton to improve them even more.
Pushing a growly low note, and singing that low with clarity and on pitch are different. With lots of practice, I’m sure you could do it, but you’ve got a while yet to catch up to him, if that’s your goal. Keep up the good work!
Thanks for your comment! This video is just a demonstration of what’s possible with the second Subharmonic technique. I‘m not trying to match the vocal quality of Geoff, I‘m just showing what’s possible with a technique that almost no one uses melodically. That’s also why the title of the video includes the word „attempting“.
@@fixigun7024 Thank you! I definitely used EQ to beef up the note quite a bit but that doesn’t really change the sound of the note much. It was already a very solid second sub in the first place.
Holy shit you have good control! I like to think my 2nd subharmonics sound nice(I have a Eb1 second sub on my channel) but my control is often not very good. I’m just curious how did you practice to get this level of control?
Thank you!!! I have decent control, but honestly these were just really good takes. For most of these clips I had a LOT of unused takes. I have second subs almost daily but it’s not always usable. I can’t tell you how I got this control because there’s nothing I could really tell you. I just experiment with subs whenever I can throughout the day. I mostly sing second subs in the evening when my voice is tired. It helps to slip into the register.
Wow, I've seen some other of your videos, but I'm surprised I hadn't yet seen this one given that it's 2 years old. You have really solid control of second subs! I can only do them in the higher range of my subs, I focused more on learning how to get clean subs down to the bottom of my chest range. If you happen to see this comment I'd be curious to know what your natural chest range is. Can you reach these with first subs, or did you train second subs so well because you couldn't?
Hey, thanks for your comment! And now to your questions: 1. My natural chest range is approximately from F2 - A4. 2. Usually I can only reach down to around C2 with first subs. That’s the main reason why I started learning second subs. And because I found them to work quite well on some days. Nowadays I Very rarely use them cause ingressive phonation is way easier and always accessible for me.
@@jmbmusic1 That was very fast and concise! Thank you. Subharmonics do seem to be a rather niche technique that only come in handy in specific situations, other than just having fun with them. I hope you have a great day and keep up the good work!
@@anonymousaccordionist3326 Thank you! That’s true, outside of the a cappella world subharmonics are almost useless. I know some bass singers use it in choral music, but that’s it. I also hope you have a fantastic day!
@@jmbmusic1 what? A tenor? Dayum you woke up feeling dangerous 🥶 I’m a tenor too but I don’t do these covers because even though I’m pretty comfy with my subs skills they literally suck ass above C#2, like they sound very rattly and distorted so I just don’t do stuff like this but it’s awesome that yours don’t sound like that
@@toothless2323 Most of the time I can‘t even go below a C2 in subharmonics. My comfortable area for subs is around C#2 - F2. It is pretty difficult to make subharmonics in this area sound good but I just have to work with what I‘ve got. That’s also why I work on things like 2nd subs and ingressive phonation.
@@jmbmusic1 nice dude it’s sounding solid. For me, my subs work down to A1 with the first sub. G#1 with morning voice. And then the second subs go down to E1. And I use third subs for anything below that however I only have control down to D1 ish, anything below that is just very fry like or pulse like and hard to control. I have to warm up quite a bit to do third subs properly. I’m planning on doing a Oogie Boogie song cover however I’m still recovering from vocal fatigue so I’m probably going to take months till my voice is fully recovered
With this video I learn subarmonics are not only available for basses. I thought if you weren't naturally of certain tesitures, you couldn't learn neither use technics of those tesitures.
@@sebastiandelacruz8820 Cool! Glad I was able to help you learn something new! And by the way: actually everyone can learn subharmonics. Even female voices can sing subharmonics.
@@jmbmusic1 I've watched a few tutorials on how to find your sub harmonic register, but without having a voice instructor present that can do it it's a bit confusing
@@MoparMikeMM Yeah that’s right. It can be very difficult at first. Have you considered joining the Bass Singing Nation (BSN) Discord server? There are over a thousand members on that server and some are really good at explaining things like subharmonics. You could probably even hop in a voice chat so other people can help you to find your subharmonic register. If you want I can give you an invitation link to that server.
It’s not very easy to explain… Remember when you first started singing normal subs? You might’ve had a hard time finding that sweet spot for you to transition into subs and not flipping up again. A similar thing applies for 2nd subs, it’s just 10 times as difficult. Sing a normal sub and try to find another transition spot. Once you find that you’ll flip down a fifth to your second sub. And then just practice, practice, practice.
Haha, that‘s fine. I think the tutorial that I linked in the description of the video explains it quite well. That might help you understand it better.
Yeah, these subs sounded a bit rough but they were still subs. And at 1:37 you can actually hear that I accidentally sang a second sub for a split second.
@@ВаняЛукашевич-х2м I‘m not sure if I understand what you are trying to say... But let me try to answer. I am a Tenor. That’s why I will never sound like a proper bass. I‘m simply using the vocal technique ‚subharmonic register‘ to hit these low notes for fun. I hope this explains your question.
@@jmbmusic1 As a bass baritone, I love studying both lower and higher voices than mine to understand the techniques better, and it's awesome to hear how you do it :) Good job and thanks for sharing
@@ultimategaming4265 the thing is,Chest-fry and fry heavily depends on the user,and Julius here is a tenor which meant his tone is very light,which means his chest-fry will sound much higher then its suppose to be so
@@jmbmusic1 oh cool. If like Geoff with basically the exact same range so seeing a tenor doing this stuff is really cool. Also I guess I wasn’t subbed so I am now
I was trying to understand how to do the 2sub thanks to you now I have something, don't take it the wrong way but you could improve your voice placement and with that you would expand your chest range.
Sounds great! I am constantly trying to improve my voice and I like constructive feedback so thanks for that! I think I‘ve actually improved since uploading this video.
Meanwhile my countertenor ass that only goes down to an A2 and up to an E6 is absolutely struggling with 2nd subharmonics even after 2 years of practice, idk what it is with the 2nd subs, but i can't quite get them to "stick" if you get what i mean, flipping down into 2nd, not a big deal, staying there for longer then a millisecond, and on pitch, that's a different story, could tell that here as well
@@WinterMute99 I‘m telling you, 95% of the time my seconds subs are unusable or maybe even inaccessible. These takes in the video are just rare occasions that are definitely not the norm.
@@jmbmusic1 that’s exactly the way I’m feeling too. Gotta say, as someone who doesn’t quite have a bass range, with strain (outside of my normal relaxed all day range) I can hit down to a f2, but that’s not going to sound good with sub harmonics, the only time it does is after waking up from a hangover after a vocal performance. 2nd subs along with my lower register aren’t my specialty. Can however go higher then most guys I know. Even females. With whistle I can go up to a e7 on a good day, but a e1, no chance to hold that for over a second.
@@WinterMute99 Dude, from what you are telling me, you already have an amazing vocal range! You don’t even need to go super low. And to be honest, techniques like 2nd subs are pretty much just a party trick. It’s really cool to vocal nerds like myself but realistically you don’t need it. The situations that you could use a 2nd sub in are soooo rare that it doesn’t make a difference if you have it or not.
The same way I flip into first subharmonics. I just find the transition point and practice a lot to get the second subharmonics somewhat solid. But the things that you see in this video are most of the time the best take out of like 10 or 20 or 50 takes ;)
I have been experimenting with subharmonics for a couple of years now, and i can get 1st sub-harmonic fairly well. My second subs are flaky. Recently though I discovered that the fry onset technique let me access a whole new bass "register" and I have been experimenting with it. Slowly though because it hurts a bit it I push too much. Sometimes when I try for a D2 with fry onset I can't actually tell immediately whether it is a 1st sub-harmonic or this chest-fry. But then when I try again I can do either at will.
The low chest range is the part of the voice that is the least trainable… There’s not much that you can do to improve power down low. Though one tip that I hear from a lot of bass singers is that training the upper range also helps to strengthen the lower range. But that takes a lot of time. Don’t expect any miracles.
I didn't read the comments, so if you were told about this, sorry. Those low notes from Geoff are most definetly NOT chest notes. :D There is NO WAY anybody can sing a G1, let alone louder than the usual chest notes. Not to mention that Geoff is not even a bass, and no basses have any chence to go down to G1, and if for some miracle they could, it coul have barely been heard, it would be full of air. I'm not really good in english so I might be missing something, and maybe everything is called chestnote under the head/mixed voice, if so, than sorry. But those low notes from Geoff are subharmonic/vocal fry But anyway, you're doing really great with those. :)
Thanks for your comment! When looking at low notes in the bass world we have to clarify some things: Subharmonics are quite easy to pick out with a trained ear, just like growl, chest-fry or fry notes. Chest notes are a little difficult to define... It‘s a fact that there are physical boundaries that make 100% pure chest notes impossible somewhere in the low 1st octave. But we can still call these notes chest notes because they‘re like 95% chest and maybe 5% fry. Let‘s take Geoff as an example: His lowest chest notes are F#1‘s (and one recorded F1 and a couple of lower very debatable notes). He has to switch to different registers to get lower. That means he’s at the bottom of a register (chest). It can’t be a fry based register because we know that fry can basically be infinitely low so he could just continue to go lower and lower. When he goes that low he still has the chest voice feeling that higher notes have. From what I know most bass singers can distinguish between a chest note and a mixed chest-fry note. So even if these low chest notes aren‘t 100% pure chest from a scientific standpoint, for the bass singing world they still count in that category because of the very natural chesty quality and the feeling that the singer has when singing the note. This is a very big topic and there are a lot more things I could go into. I hope you can understand my explanation!
Yes, I am 100% sure about every note that I labeled here. I have spent a LOT of time in the last four years listening to bass singers using all kinds of vocal techniques and I definitely hear the difference between a subharmonic and a chest note. Additionally some of these notes have been confirmed by Geoff himself and for example the „Arabian Nights“ G1‘s are definitely chest notes because they were recorded years before Geoff even learned to use the subharmonic technique. Thanks for your compliment :)
Hahah, well… It’s all about the practice. (And don’t forget that these are just the best takes out of MANY attempts, so don’t think that my subharmonics always sound like this)
Haha, let‘s blow your mind even more… There‘s technically an infinite amount of sequels. And I managed to sing down to the 4th subharmonic before. I recommend watching David Larson‘s videos about 1st and 2nd subs as well as Bass2Yang‘s videos on subharmonics to get more foundational knowledge about the topic.
I've watched a video of people creating subharmonics with subharmonics with bobby bass and david and they managed to make a C0 5th subharmonic somehow Ok so david sung a G#2 chest and Bobby sung a G2 chest and that made a C0 5th subharmonic somehow
@@Zecospheretoday My voice type is definitely Tenor because I can‘t go very low with just my chest voice (F2 being the absolute lowest everyday). These techniques like subharmonics in this video are just some „trickery“ to hit lower notes, but they don‘t determine your voice type. In fact, I think every man with an intact voice could theoretically hit low notes down into the low 1st octave if he knows how to use these extended techniques, but that doesn’t make everyone a bass :)
The range of your extended techniques don’t determine your voice type. I barely have an F2 in chest voice daily. That’s why (and for other reasons) my voice type is tenor.
I don’t actually know a lot about beatbox techniques. But from what I can see I am using a slightly different technique. I am relaxing my voice to let the first and second subs happen. I think he’s ‚pushing‘ more to get the notes out and that results in a slightly different sound. He might be using throat bass 2nd subs but that’s just a guess.
Funny thing. I can ALMOST get to an E1, but I don't try to compare myself to Geoff, who labels himself as a baritone, not a bass. Now if you can get to the E1, like at the end of Oogie Boogie, then props to you, but even with filtering, is it as clean as Geoff's? Not shooting you down, just putting a perspective on Geoff's ability!
You are right, Geoff is definitely on another level and I am nowhere close to his quality, especially on the low notes. I did hit an E1 second subharmonic before but it’s suuuper rare for me to even get the note out. I haven’t been able to get an Oogie Boogie E1 recorded yet.
@@jmbmusic1, it does sound like you do have an element of chest connection with your 1st subs. It's like you slide an octave down to a weak chest note and the sub takes over.
That’s correct, he uses subharmonics a lot! But I didn’t just recreate chest notes. I also recreated some of his subharmonics, as I clearly stated in the video. All of Geoffs notes in this video are correctly classified. 100% guaranteed.
@@jmbmusic1 I wrote the comment in the first half, where all of his notes were identified as "Chest", so I thought you didn't know about him using subs at all... How do you know for certain that the first notes were all Chest? Geoff is crazy, but they are so low that I would have said sub
@@triplezgames3882 I‘ve been listening to Geoff and many other Bass singers for the past three years and at this point my ears are very trained in terms of bass voices so I’m able to tell which note is chest, growl, subharmonic or something else. Subharmonic notes are fairly easy for me to pick out because they have a very unique texture.
First of all, thanks!! I don’t think I practice more than your average subharmonics user… I‘ll be honest, most of these recordings were made at exactly the right time, when I felt that my seconds subs would lock into place very well. But I can tell you, they still took a LOT of tries to get right. What you see here are just the best takes of the best days. I certainly can‘t do this every day.
@@jmbmusic1still insane though, second subharmonics are a lot harder than first ones and regular subharmonics are also hard, I struggle even with them a bit, so yeah, great job
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This video has taught me that my so called "subharmonic" has been second subharmonic all along, and my actual subharmonic was misrecognized as "just a low chest note"
That’s interesting… Are you sure about that? It’s not a natural thing to sing subharmonics without noticing it yourself. There’s a pretty obvious transition to it. The drop from your chest voice to the first subharmonic should be exactly one octave. The drop to the second subharmonic should be a fifth. This way you can identify what subharmonic your singing.
@@jmbmusic1 The thing is that I learnt subharmonics not by singing a higher note then going down an octave, I went to my lowest chest note and tried finding alternatives to go lower and accidentally developed scuffed subharmonics. I didn't know much about singing techniques at the time and it slowly got more natural so I just assumed my chest range increased. But now going by feel and listening I realized some notes between my chest and subharmonic limit (around C2) are actually first subs
@@wongcayven9893 That is super interesting! I don’t think I‘ve ever heard of anyone who learnt subharmonics that way.... Impressive!
@@wongcayven9893 are you sure it's not a chest fry mix?
@@kIDNEYKid-xt9uc That's more likely. Happens a lot with maturing voice that go for low notes
Those are some of the best sounding second subharmonics I’ve ever heard! Great job!!!
That’s too nice❤️
Thank you very much🙏🏻
Can you explain me how to develop this second subharmonic? I can only hit B1 and Bb1 with it.
I am not a dude, but I can sing from A0 to A5 in chest, using the humming technique and the subharmonic vocal technique for my lowest notes and the upper belting technique for my highest notes, but I can also reach the notes from A1 to A0 with fry, so on the days when I cannot go lower than A1 / G1 using the subharmonic technique I can still reach those notes using the vocal fry, though A1 / G1 to A5 is very stable and I can access this chest range at any time or almost any time - I can also sing from C6 in C8 in actual head voice, as I am the coloratura sopranino with the highest and whitest / lightest / brightest voice ever, which has extreme flexibility and agility, and I have the widest natural ranges in all vocal registers, so even my mixed voice can be stretched up to a C7 on a good day, and my whistle register goes from the 4th octave into the 10th or 11th octave, as it goes into the inaudible! (To go lower, I would recommend learning the subharmonic vocal technique, as one can go lower using this technique!)
The subharmonic vocal technique is a vocal technique that pushes the chest voice to its absolute lowest, so it’s like the opposite of the belting technique - one can try at first by pushing the larynx lower with the hand, and letting the chest voice start making those thrill-like sounds (like, when it vibrates like that, and the vibrations should be pushed lower and lower, until it feels like the vibration comes from the upper part of the chest) and then trying to control it from there, for example, trying to go lower and lower, or trying to hold the note for a few seconds at first, but it takes a lot of air, so it takes practice to learn to control the breath, so that one can go lower and lower before running out of breath, so, one might want to start doing breathing exercises first and learn how to hold the breath for one minute or two minutes or three minutes even, as being able to hold one’s breath longer makes it easier to reach for the lower notes before running out of breath, because it’s easier to go lower when doing a scale (from a more comfortable low note to notes that are lower and lower) than just randomly trying to reach the lowest note without the scale! (By the way, the voice may start cracking while trying to go lower and lower with the subharmonic technique, but when this occurs, a different placement should be tried, and less intensity should be used, so, trying to let it go lower without pushing it harder in that way, as that can cause more voice cracks and it can make the voice try to go higher instead of lower, so it also takes some extra practice to learn how to control this and how to push the voice lower the right way, and to figure out how to control the pitch and intensity and placement etc...)
First one is INSANE!!!!!
I rewatched it hundred times!!!
Haha, thanks!!! The first one is the most recent one so I guess it makes sense. And thanks for the watch time😅
second one sounds so good beacause of the air pressure
Geoff is addicted to around half octave jumps istg D2-G1s, C#2-F#1, C2-F1, G#1-C#1 in dragonborn comes, E1-B0 in halo theme
Hahaha, exactly!
He likes to be able to turn it down that last bit of note and I can see why IT SOUNDS EVEN BETTER!!
This is awesome! I like people seeing what subharmonic and chest is side-by-side. Great notes!
Thanks man!
I got so excited when I saw you made a new post. We are like the same people. I do this a lot🤣🤣🤣
And the "my mother..." classic F1 ending 🔥🔥😭
Yeah, we are really doing similar things😅 It‘s just a ton of fun, isn‘t it?
I think I‘ll use that My Mother Told Me song in a lot of future videos as the end credits song...😂 It just works perfectly for that
@@jmbmusic1 yes it's fun helps me set low notes goals as well.
Also I agree that will be an awesome trademark for your videos, it's gold🔥🔥
F#2 to D2 to C#2 to a F#1 is very hard to do great work man
Thank you very much! I has to be a very good day for me to get my Second Subharmonics consistently enough to sing something like that line.
I manage to do them all in chest, which implies that the F#2 subharmonic costs me a lot due to the depth of my voice.
I mean technically I can do them all using inhale
nicely done
Nice! I'm a girl who can sing down to B2, and I've been trying to learn subharmonics. Psyched to see that if I keep practicing, I could invade baritone or bass territory
Cool! Keep practicing!
Alto+subharmonics= lower than some basses! Keep going and you could break a world record for lowest sung female note!
It's definitely worth working on, otherwise you'd be wasting your instrument's potential. True contraltos often have really interesting vocal colors at the low end, and using subharmonics only increases that uniqueness. For working on your low end you can also play with a high vocal placement using chest and nasal resonance to still hit low notes without losing agility, or even polyphonic production for the subharmonic (similar to what Diana Ankudinova does).
@Kunou, thanks for clueing me in to Diana Ankudinova. I've been watching some of Elizabeth Zharoff's reactions to her, and she's got a really interesting sound!
@Alien Baconation, wouldn't that be something? I don't think they'd count subharmonics, but might still be a fun challenge
*Searches lowest female note*
That's... That's vocal fry??? That counts? I honestly think I can hit that
@JMB Music, can I get a fresh link to that bass discord?
@@AmyLeuWho Of course! Here‘s your link: discord.gg/XemtNKkw
I’m female and sing a “tenor” in choir but FEELING NOTES THROUGH MY PHONE… OOOH GOOSEBUMPS
@@dawnetaverner1382 Hahaha, thank you so much!
Very nice, really like the sound of your subharmonics
Thanks!
Not too shabby dude! Your definitely going places if you keep it up
Thanks!!
This is so cool! This is what inspired me to learn second subs. Another video like this would be dope!
Thank you! I‘m happy to hear that this was an inspiration for you! Unfortunately I don’t have enough clips to make a part two because I haven’t recorded any second subs in a while. Also it doesn’t really fit that well with my content nowadays…
All good! I totally understand and am loving the stuff you put out now. Thanks!
0:44
I'M SORRY, BUT I DIEDDD 🤣🤣🤣
(I don't mean to offend-)
Other than that, you are UNBELIEVABLE!!! I NEVER imagined a TENOR reaching GEOFF'S notes!!! Great job! 👏👏👏
Haha, thanks! Reaching Geoffs low notes with some techniques is pretty possible, but making it sound decently good is another story…
Do not take this negatively in any ways!! But it's so strange to hear (Subs) version of the notes that are so easily accessible to me, and so impressive to hear you get to the 2nd harmonics rather effortlessly until you get to f#1 and f1. I still am struggling to access my 2nd subs (which are 1 octave below yours)
@@stevendeslauriers1369 Thanks!! I am unfortunately not blessed with a naturally low voice, so using subs, seconds subs or other techniques for everything below F2 is a must for me. Sometimes I even use subs up to G2 or G#2 cause they are qualitatively better than my low chest notes.
Absolutely awesome subharmonics!!!
Thank you!!!
This is such a cool video idea - Mind if I steal it for the future? Great subs man!!!
Thank you!!! Feel free to use any video concept I will ever upload on my channel. I don’t mind😄
Oh my word. That is impressive. I didn't know a tenor could do that.
I can't help wonder if Geoff knows about this technique, and what notes he could hit using it.
Though I also notice, you haven't managed the E1 that Geoff hits in so many different songs.
Thank you very much!
Geoff knows about this technique but he said that he doesn’t really know how to use it and he’s pretty happy with his 1st subs so he doesn’t need it.
I unfortunately can’t really sing an E1 in second subs. It’s just too low.
Hell yeah, bro! You're doing great! Keep up the awesome work!
@@gellertgrindelwald7171 Thank you very much!!
Wow ! Easily one the best controls over the second subharmonic s ! Well done bro
Thank you very much!!! But keep in mind that I can’t hit these second subs with this quality daily… It has to be a good day for me to hit them like that.
man i gotta practice more
Lol
Awesome job man!
Thank you very much Randy! Means a lot coming from you!
Wonderful brother
Thanks
Easiest sub ever.
(Meaning me subscribing not the subharmonics in the vid XD)
Hahaha😂😂😂
Great work! Ich freue mich schon auf dein nächstes Projekt- deine Version von my mother told me war genial- mehr davon bitte 😊
Dankeschön! Ich werde definitiv weitere solcher Projekte machen. Jedoch habe ich momentan wenig Zeit, also werden die Abstände zwischen den videos ziemlich groß sein...
Verständlich, ist ja auch offensichtlich super zeitaufwändig was du da kreierst. Bin auf jeden Fall schon gespannt auf die kommenden Projekte und deine weitere Entwicklung ☺️
How do you practice precision and consistency with subharmonics yo🙆🏾♂️ great stuff
Well, I don’t really practice subharmonics with specific exercises. I simply play around with it all the time. And over time I developed decent control. But it took me about one year to get subharmonics kind of consistent. And Thanks for the compliment!
bro those were so good! just wondering whats your lowest chest note?
Thanks!!! My lowest everyday chest note is about F2/F#2.
@@jmbmusic1 woah, I don’t know my range but I know about D2 is my lowest useable but I can hit highs like a tenor. I’m not trained I just have a lot of range.
Watching this video once per day. Really like your subharmonics! And your growl in Arabian Nights. And I'm trying from a month to learn subharmonic too :)
Nice, thank you so much!
THE WAY YOU ARE DOING SUBHARMONICS. I DON'T THINK U ARE A TENOR....
CRAZY SUBS !!!!
Haha, thank you very much!
WHAT ,S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OCTAVES AND SUBHARMONICS??
An octave is a musical term for two notes that are exactly half the frequency or double the frequency apart from one another. The Subharmonic register is a specific singing technique that allows you to sing a lot lower than you usually could. With a normal Subharmonic note you automatically sing a note that’s one octave below the note that you‘re actually singing.
Great video to follow along with
@@ewartsmith7490 Thank you!
Very good Bro!!!
But How i practice de Second subharmonic?
Thanks! I don’t really know any good tips. This is how I ‚practice‘ my second subs: Whenever I notice that I have strong 1st subs I also try singing Second subs and sing as much with them as possible. I don’t really have any specific exercises.
That was very good!!! Good job 👌
Thanks!!
Epic
I find it Intresting seeing tenors use subs just seeing the difference from mine to theirs I would consider my self a low baritone with a pretty reliable E2 and I can get G1 pretty good but never E1-C1 except in the morning lol and your 2nd subs are really good btw nice vid!
Thank you!! It’s definitely interesting to see and hear how subs work for different voice types…
1:08 That's the advantage of being a bari-tenor, I suppose.
C#2 in subharmonic is a tad too high for me and sounds like your sub F#2.
My sub F#2 sounds like I'm doing straight up overtone singing 😄
I've been practicing subharmonics for a while, and I think I can get around to a C#1 with it which is great. But I'm still trying to learn how to do second subharmonic but I can't begin to figure it out. Do you think you could give me a quick synopsis on how to do it?
Have you watched David Larson’s Tutorial on second subs? That tutorial was all I needed to figure out second subs. There’s not really much more I can teach. Maybe I can give you one tip: Remember when you first learned subharmonics. It probably took you some time to even find that sweet spot or that balance to sing a normal subharmonic. Now for second subs you‘ll have to find the next sweet spot after you already entered your first sub. The reason you struggle is probably because that Second sweet spot is like ten times as hard to find as the first one. And the next problem is that sometimes a second sub can be mistaken for fry when first messing around with it. There‘s such a fine line between slipping into fry and staying in second subs that you might not feel a difference at first.
My tip is: Try practicing second subs when your regular subs are super solid. Try slipping down into the next register. It might take you some time to get a second sub out but I‘m sure it‘s gonna happen, sooner or later. After that just try to replicate that feeling and just practice, practice, practice.
I hope this helps, I am not very good at explaining things.
@@jmbmusic1 That was pretty straightforward. Thanks a lot. I did watch David's tutorial on it, but in my opinion he didn't really explain it in a way I could understand. The way you just explained it made a lot more sense to me. Thanks
@@xandred_bass1011 Well, I am glad that it helped you!
2nd sub tutorial?? I'd greatly appreciate it
also, SICK!!
Thanks!
I don’t think there‘s a need to make a tutorial. I think the one from David Larson that I linked in the description is very good.
Dude great job, really. I don't really know how to train my second sub. I can use the first sub to go A1, dome times i achieved G1 and E1 but I don't know if that was just morning voice, if i used the first sub or i randomly used the second sub. How did you train to achieve the second subharmonic?
Thanks!
I‘m just playing around with subharmonics all the time and I‘ve been doing it for 21 Months now. After some time I hit my first second sub and tried it every now and then. I don’t have a specific exercise for subharmonics. I simply use it as often as possible.
Good job with those.
Thanks!
Wow! Nice job! Your great!
Thank you!!
very smooth, with a little more practice you would pass for a bass
Thanks! It‘s all a work in progress!
Nice job bro
The fact that the c#2 at 1:20 is a chest note is crazy
1:20 The F#2 was actually an F2.
Very nice!
Bro what? All I can do is rely on vocal fry. I didn't know there was a vocal DLC for purchase. You got the full version.
@@CatholicQuartet Hahahaha!!! Definitely look up subharmonics (the technique used in this video) and ingressive phonation if you want to learn more about low singing techniques…
Git it! Nice work!
(Talking about your Kidnap The Sandy Claus attempt) Your first subharmonics are actually chest notes and what you call second subharmonics is actually the first subharmonics
Well, I will take that as a compliment! These were actually first subharmonics! My chest sounds way different. And believe me when I say: I know exactly when I‘m hitting a normal subharmonic, a Second subharmonic or a chest note. Fun fact: I CAN‘T hit anything below F2 in chest and because of that an F#1 using first subharmonics is also impossible for me.
Wow dude, that was awesome. I would like to master subharmonics, as well. My chest range starts at E2, D2 in the morning but i cant really go below that unless i go into chest fry or growl.
Thanks!!! Subharmonics take a while to get good at but it’s definitely worth it!
@@jmbmusic1 Yeah, i never knew they can sound so full when sung by a tenor. I guess its all about the technique. I figured out how to do it, but it's still inconsistent, but when i initiate the subharmonic i can do scales and go up/down in pitch. But my throat has to be super relaxed to even get it out.
@@inceptionsd Subharmonics can sound full when sung by a Tenor but they will never have the same ‚dark‘ sound that they have when sung by a Bass. In a Studio Setting you can make subharmonics from Tenors sound almost the same as subharmonics from Basses. It‘s all about the editing.
And yeah, the beginning of learning subharmonics is kind of difficult from my experience. But once your subharmonics are a little more consistent you can start using them while singing along to some bass lines or whatever you are listening to. That helps a ton to improve them even more.
Wow, nice!
Thanks András!
I m happy to see you that a tenor can also sing extrimaly low notes so perfactly♥️
Any way whats your lowest chest note?
@@Mayur15993 Thank you very much! 🙏🏻❤️
My lowest chest note on any day is a very weak and breathy F2. That’s just what you get as a Tenor…
@@jmbmusic1 me to...
But someday i can sing a breathy E2
Pushing a growly low note, and singing that low with clarity and on pitch are different. With lots of practice, I’m sure you could do it, but you’ve got a while yet to catch up to him, if that’s your goal. Keep up the good work!
Thanks for your comment! This video is just a demonstration of what’s possible with the second Subharmonic technique. I‘m not trying to match the vocal quality of Geoff, I‘m just showing what’s possible with a technique that almost no one uses melodically. That’s also why the title of the video includes the word „attempting“.
Keep it up! It sounds good!
Thank you!
0:40 You just mastered so much subs that your G1 2nd subs sounds better than Goeff's chest one !! Incredible !!!!!
Wow dude that’s such a high praise! Thank you so so much!!!
@@jmbmusic1 0:27 I didn't see it but this one is SIIICKK !!! did you require some eq or does it sound like that naturally ?
@@fixigun7024 Thank you! I definitely used EQ to beef up the note quite a bit but that doesn’t really change the sound of the note much. It was already a very solid second sub in the first place.
Holy shit you have good control! I like to think my 2nd subharmonics sound nice(I have a Eb1 second sub on my channel) but my control is often not very good. I’m just curious how did you practice to get this level of control?
Thank you!!! I have decent control, but honestly these were just really good takes. For most of these clips I had a LOT of unused takes. I have second subs almost daily but it’s not always usable. I can’t tell you how I got this control because there’s nothing I could really tell you. I just experiment with subs whenever I can throughout the day. I mostly sing second subs in the evening when my voice is tired. It helps to slip into the register.
Wow, I've seen some other of your videos, but I'm surprised I hadn't yet seen this one given that it's 2 years old. You have really solid control of second subs! I can only do them in the higher range of my subs, I focused more on learning how to get clean subs down to the bottom of my chest range. If you happen to see this comment I'd be curious to know what your natural chest range is. Can you reach these with first subs, or did you train second subs so well because you couldn't?
Hey, thanks for your comment! And now to your questions:
1. My natural chest range is approximately from F2 - A4.
2. Usually I can only reach down to around C2 with first subs. That’s the main reason why I started learning second subs. And because I found them to work quite well on some days. Nowadays I Very rarely use them cause ingressive phonation is way easier and always accessible for me.
@@jmbmusic1 That was very fast and concise! Thank you. Subharmonics do seem to be a rather niche technique that only come in handy in specific situations, other than just having fun with them. I hope you have a great day and keep up the good work!
@@anonymousaccordionist3326 Thank you! That’s true, outside of the a cappella world subharmonics are almost useless. I know some bass singers use it in choral music, but that’s it.
I also hope you have a fantastic day!
Im fourteen and i can hit a c2 chest and still going....
I'm 14. (in the morning C2, but i can hit D2 everyday)
I can consistently hit a B1 chest go down to like C1 subs on a good day and the negative octave using ingressive (I don't know fry)
@@Guest.7289_2 at 14yo??
@Lowlife856 yes it's inhale
Don't know what that means
0:20 Which song ?
VoicePlay’s ACA Disney. It’s not on their own channel but you can find it pretty easily.
1:07 For a moment I though it was chest!🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯 That's a nice one!
Thanks!!!
They sound super clean! Are you a baritone btw? Like what is your voice classification
Thanks! I am a Tenor or a low Tenor but definitely not a Baritone ;)
@@jmbmusic1 what? A tenor? Dayum you woke up feeling dangerous 🥶 I’m a tenor too but I don’t do these covers because even though I’m pretty comfy with my subs skills they literally suck ass above C#2, like they sound very rattly and distorted so I just don’t do stuff like this but it’s awesome that yours don’t sound like that
@@toothless2323 Most of the time I can‘t even go below a C2 in subharmonics. My comfortable area for subs is around C#2 - F2. It is pretty difficult to make subharmonics in this area sound good but I just have to work with what I‘ve got. That’s also why I work on things like 2nd subs and ingressive phonation.
@@jmbmusic1 nice dude it’s sounding solid. For me, my subs work down to A1 with the first sub. G#1 with morning voice. And then the second subs go down to E1. And I use third subs for anything below that however I only have control down to D1 ish, anything below that is just very fry like or pulse like and hard to control. I have to warm up quite a bit to do third subs properly. I’m planning on doing a Oogie Boogie song cover however I’m still recovering from vocal fatigue so I’m probably going to take months till my voice is fully recovered
@@toothless2323 Interesting! Definitely let me know when you upload the oogie boogie song cover!
With this video I learn subarmonics are not only available for basses.
I thought if you weren't naturally of certain tesitures, you couldn't learn neither use technics of those tesitures.
@@sebastiandelacruz8820 Cool! Glad I was able to help you learn something new!
And by the way: actually everyone can learn subharmonics. Even female voices can sing subharmonics.
Maybe one day I'll be able to figure out sub harmonics, until then I have to rely on chest and growl notes. Good job though bud, I'm impressed
Thanks!!! I’m sure one day you’ll get there as well.
@@jmbmusic1 I've watched a few tutorials on how to find your sub harmonic register, but without having a voice instructor present that can do it it's a bit confusing
@@MoparMikeMM Yeah that’s right. It can be very difficult at first. Have you considered joining the Bass Singing Nation (BSN) Discord server? There are over a thousand members on that server and some are really good at explaining things like subharmonics. You could probably even hop in a voice chat so other people can help you to find your subharmonic register. If you want I can give you an invitation link to that server.
Didn't even know that was a thing! Lol. I'm a baritone with some bass notes but I can hit tenor all day too lol
@@MoparMikeMM Ok, here‘s the link: discord.gg/cW3tSGrE
How do you do to do 2nd sub? I think i went to a G0 on 2nd sub once but i don't know how
It’s not very easy to explain… Remember when you first started singing normal subs? You might’ve had a hard time finding that sweet spot for you to transition into subs and not flipping up again. A similar thing applies for 2nd subs, it’s just 10 times as difficult. Sing a normal sub and try to find another transition spot. Once you find that you’ll flip down a fifth to your second sub. And then just practice, practice, practice.
@@jmbmusic1 thanks i'll do that 😉👍
What is the different between 1st subharmonic and 2nd subharmonic?
Check out this tutorial by David Larson: th-cam.com/video/7PddsnKsUEg/w-d-xo.html
He explains it better than I ever could in this comment.
I know now!
And I though my 1st sub G1-F1's were good smh... thats crazy
Thank you very much!!! I wish I had these notes as 1st subs😅
I don't understand that second third and other things hahahaha with the subs
Haha, that‘s fine. I think the tutorial that I linked in the description of the video explains it quite well. That might help you understand it better.
the arabian night D2 sounded like chest
Cool! That’s good to hear! But the secret there was just EQ-ing the right frequencies ;)
1:31 f#2,d#2,c#2 could have been a chest fry
Yeah, these subs sounded a bit rough but they were still subs. And at 1:37 you can actually hear that I accidentally sang a second sub for a split second.
what's your lowest subharmonic? personaly mine is B0
It depends on the subharmonic...
Lowest 1st sub: A1
Lowest 2nd sub: E1
Lowest 3rd sub: C#1
These are my records. I can’t hit those daily.
in the small and big octave you will not sound like a bass, but in the counter this sound you make it somehow with the ligaments, throat ????
@@ВаняЛукашевич-х2м I‘m not sure if I understand what you are trying to say... But let me try to answer. I am a Tenor. That’s why I will never sound like a proper bass. I‘m simply using the vocal technique ‚subharmonic register‘ to hit these low notes for fun. I hope this explains your question.
@@jmbmusic1 As a bass baritone, I love studying both lower and higher voices than mine to understand the techniques better, and it's awesome to hear how you do it :)
Good job and thanks for sharing
@@jamessullysolipsist4860 Cool! Thank you!
Have you tried doing the originals in chest or chest fry?
Ehem,he is a *TENOR*
@@freddiestudio7668 I know but it doesn’t mean he can’t try
@@ultimategaming4265 I could try, but I would fail😂
My lowest chest is F2 but it‘s rarely ever usable. And I don’t use chest-fry as a technique.
@@ultimategaming4265 the thing is,Chest-fry and fry heavily depends on the user,and Julius here is a tenor which meant his tone is very light,which means his chest-fry will sound much higher then its suppose to be so
@@jmbmusic1 oh cool. If like Geoff with basically the exact same range so seeing a tenor doing this stuff is really cool. Also I guess I wasn’t subbed so I am now
I was trying to understand how to do the 2sub thanks to you now I have something, don't take it the wrong way but you could improve your voice placement and with that you would expand your chest range.
Sounds great!
I am constantly trying to improve my voice and I like constructive feedback so thanks for that! I think I‘ve actually improved since uploading this video.
@@jmbmusic1 I will enjoy seeing you improve and grow on your channel
Hope I can do too🤣🥺 need more practice hehe
Haha, Yeah second subs need a lot of practice to be usable.
Meanwhile my countertenor ass that only goes down to an A2 and up to an E6 is absolutely struggling with 2nd subharmonics even after 2 years of practice, idk what it is with the 2nd subs, but i can't quite get them to "stick" if you get what i mean, flipping down into 2nd, not a big deal, staying there for longer then a millisecond, and on pitch, that's a different story, could tell that here as well
@@WinterMute99 I‘m telling you, 95% of the time my seconds subs are unusable or maybe even inaccessible. These takes in the video are just rare occasions that are definitely not the norm.
@@jmbmusic1 that’s exactly the way I’m feeling too. Gotta say, as someone who doesn’t quite have a bass range, with strain (outside of my normal relaxed all day range) I can hit down to a f2, but that’s not going to sound good with sub harmonics, the only time it does is after waking up from a hangover after a vocal performance. 2nd subs along with my lower register aren’t my specialty. Can however go higher then most guys I know. Even females. With whistle I can go up to a e7 on a good day, but a e1, no chance to hold that for over a second.
@@WinterMute99 Dude, from what you are telling me, you already have an amazing vocal range! You don’t even need to go super low. And to be honest, techniques like 2nd subs are pretty much just a party trick. It’s really cool to vocal nerds like myself but realistically you don’t need it. The situations that you could use a 2nd sub in are soooo rare that it doesn’t make a difference if you have it or not.
bro i was practicing and i hit that F#1 on accident💀
Was it chest or subs
@@Guest.7289_2 sub
@@amogns_the_real nice
Nice
how do you get into second subharmonics?
The same way I flip into first subharmonics. I just find the transition point and practice a lot to get the second subharmonics somewhat solid. But the things that you see in this video are most of the time the best take out of like 10 or 20 or 50 takes ;)
very interesting
I have been experimenting with subharmonics for a couple of years now, and i can get 1st sub-harmonic fairly well. My second subs are flaky.
Recently though I discovered that the fry onset technique let me access a whole new bass "register" and I have been experimenting with it. Slowly though because it hurts a bit it I push too much.
Sometimes when I try for a D2 with fry onset I can't actually tell immediately whether it is a 1st sub-harmonic or this chest-fry. But then when I try again I can do either at will.
@@jamesparson2476 As long as it works for you and sounds good, that’s great!
Singing in chest voice I can get down quite a ways, almost as low as Geoff, but I can't get any power behind it. Any tips?
The low chest range is the part of the voice that is the least trainable… There’s not much that you can do to improve power down low. Though one tip that I hear from a lot of bass singers is that training the upper range also helps to strengthen the lower range. But that takes a lot of time. Don’t expect any miracles.
That's normal geoff is just geoff
I didn't read the comments, so if you were told about this, sorry.
Those low notes from Geoff are most definetly NOT chest notes. :D There is NO WAY anybody can sing a G1, let alone louder than the usual chest notes.
Not to mention that Geoff is not even a bass, and no basses have any chence to go down to G1, and if for some miracle they could, it coul have barely been heard, it would be full of air.
I'm not really good in english so I might be missing something, and maybe everything is called chestnote under the head/mixed voice, if so, than sorry. But those low notes from Geoff are subharmonic/vocal fry
But anyway, you're doing really great with those. :)
Thanks for your comment!
When looking at low notes in the bass world we have to clarify some things: Subharmonics are quite easy to pick out with a trained ear, just like growl, chest-fry or fry notes. Chest notes are a little difficult to define...
It‘s a fact that there are physical boundaries that make 100% pure chest notes impossible somewhere in the low 1st octave. But we can still call these notes chest notes because they‘re like 95% chest and maybe 5% fry. Let‘s take Geoff as an example: His lowest chest notes are F#1‘s (and one recorded F1 and a couple of lower very debatable notes). He has to switch to different registers to get lower. That means he’s at the bottom of a register (chest). It can’t be a fry based register because we know that fry can basically be infinitely low so he could just continue to go lower and lower. When he goes that low he still has the chest voice feeling that higher notes have. From what I know most bass singers can distinguish between a chest note and a mixed chest-fry note.
So even if these low chest notes aren‘t 100% pure chest from a scientific standpoint, for the bass singing world they still count in that category because of the very natural chesty quality and the feeling that the singer has when singing the note.
This is a very big topic and there are a lot more things I could go into. I hope you can understand my explanation!
Good job I'm 15 and I found out today my lowest note is an F#1
Are you sure those G1s are chest and not subharmonic? His subs are very smooth so I sometimes find it hard to tell. Awesome work either way!
Yes, I am 100% sure about every note that I labeled here. I have spent a LOT of time in the last four years listening to bass singers using all kinds of vocal techniques and I definitely hear the difference between a subharmonic and a chest note. Additionally some of these notes have been confirmed by Geoff himself and for example the „Arabian Nights“ G1‘s are definitely chest notes because they were recorded years before Geoff even learned to use the subharmonic technique.
Thanks for your compliment :)
What is a second subharmonic?
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This will help you to understand what it is.
Good to know a Tenor can hit the notes better than me and im a bass
Hahah, well… It’s all about the practice.
(And don’t forget that these are just the best takes out of MANY attempts, so don’t think that my subharmonics always sound like this)
@@jmbmusic1 im pretty sure I can hit 1st sub but i need to work on range lowest right now I can go is either a F1 or a E1
@@jmbmusic1After further me listening to bass music instead of me doing a 1st sub it sounds like a chest fry
Are you tenor?
Yes! Lowest daily chest note is around F2
Just curious, whats your chest range?
About F2 - A4 on an average day.
Mine is from E4 to D2 Sometimes G1
I still don't fully understand what a subharmonic is, and now you're tellin me there's a sequel??
Haha, let‘s blow your mind even more… There‘s technically an infinite amount of sequels. And I managed to sing down to the 4th subharmonic before.
I recommend watching David Larson‘s videos about 1st and 2nd subs as well as Bass2Yang‘s videos on subharmonics to get more foundational knowledge about the topic.
I've watched a video of people creating subharmonics with subharmonics with bobby bass and david and they managed to make a C0 5th subharmonic somehow
Ok so david sung a G#2 chest and Bobby sung a G2 chest and that made a C0 5th subharmonic somehow
Are you an bass singer? You call yourself a tenor but you can go down to the 2nd and 1st octave for some reason?
@@Zecospheretoday My voice type is definitely Tenor because I can‘t go very low with just my chest voice (F2 being the absolute lowest everyday). These techniques like subharmonics in this video are just some „trickery“ to hit lower notes, but they don‘t determine your voice type. In fact, I think every man with an intact voice could theoretically hit low notes down into the low 1st octave if he knows how to use these extended techniques, but that doesn’t make everyone a bass :)
I’m confused how he called himself a tenor. Man literally hit a Bb-1. How is G1 second sub?
The range of your extended techniques don’t determine your voice type. I barely have an F2 in chest voice daily. That’s why (and for other reasons) my voice type is tenor.
@@jmbmusic1 that’s really impressive that you can hit notes in the 0th and negative octaves then.
@@stevegoldson67 Thanks!
Когда Тенор пытается изобразить баса :-)
Anyway subharmonics, especially 2nd ones are hard
Hey, could you please give a listen to this 2nd subharmonic technique? Is it the same thing you are doing? Indicator - I'm An Alien
I don’t actually know a lot about beatbox techniques. But from what I can see I am using a slightly different technique. I am relaxing my voice to let the first and second subs happen. I think he’s ‚pushing‘ more to get the notes out and that results in a slightly different sound. He might be using throat bass 2nd subs but that’s just a guess.
you have 666 subs by now
Funny thing. I can ALMOST get to an E1, but I don't try to compare myself to Geoff, who labels himself as a baritone, not a bass. Now if you can get to the E1, like at the end of Oogie Boogie, then props to you, but even with filtering, is it as clean as Geoff's?
Not shooting you down, just putting a perspective on Geoff's ability!
You are right, Geoff is definitely on another level and I am nowhere close to his quality, especially on the low notes.
I did hit an E1 second subharmonic before but it’s suuuper rare for me to even get the note out. I haven’t been able to get an Oogie Boogie E1 recorded yet.
C1 chest babyyyyy
what?
Between 1st 2nd and chest fry i cant whats what i just do it. I wish i new the difference
I been working on my subharmonic notes. There a little bit tough
Your 1st subharmonics really sound like chest. And you can use very nice 2nd subharmonics quite freely. It's insane
Thank you very much! I really appreciate the kind words!
@@jmbmusic1, it does sound like you do have an element of chest connection with your 1st subs. It's like you slide an octave down to a weak chest note and the sub takes over.
Geoff is using subharmonics as well for his low notes... it's not chest
That’s correct, he uses subharmonics a lot! But I didn’t just recreate chest notes. I also recreated some of his subharmonics, as I clearly stated in the video. All of Geoffs notes in this video are correctly classified. 100% guaranteed.
@@jmbmusic1 I wrote the comment in the first half, where all of his notes were identified as "Chest", so I thought you didn't know about him using subs at all...
How do you know for certain that the first notes were all Chest? Geoff is crazy, but they are so low that I would have said sub
@@triplezgames3882 I‘ve been listening to Geoff and many other Bass singers for the past three years and at this point my ears are very trained in terms of bass voices so I’m able to tell which note is chest, growl, subharmonic or something else. Subharmonic notes are fairly easy for me to pick out because they have a very unique texture.
I'm only 12 and I can hit a F -23
@@CallMeTeej Pathetic
And i can hit a T#62!1!1!
Hit is one thing, maintaining and moving from them is what you need to do to get really good with your voice. GO GO GO!!👍👍
Vraiment bien d'entendre sans effets de console et micro.
How the hell are you subharmonics THAT good? Do you just practice hard?
First of all, thanks!!
I don’t think I practice more than your average subharmonics user… I‘ll be honest, most of these recordings were made at exactly the right time, when I felt that my seconds subs would lock into place very well. But I can tell you, they still took a LOT of tries to get right. What you see here are just the best takes of the best days. I certainly can‘t do this every day.
@@jmbmusic1still insane though, second subharmonics are a lot harder than first ones and regular subharmonics are also hard, I struggle even with them a bit, so yeah, great job
Damn, bro…
@@emilyrln hehe