Awesome! Next should definitely be Jinjer: Perennial, Live At Wacken Open Air 2019. Edit: you brought up Tati singing Pisces from the same concert, so Perennial is the final song of their set...Tati and Jinjer are NEVER DISAPPOINTING!!
@@PaleHorseShabuShabu We have fun here....we don't need someone acting as a teacher & rude about it. I'm a millionaire...so I don't give a flying F what you say. 🤣Get a life
@@PaleHorseShabuShabu Do you HAVE to be a twat? There is absolutely no reason for it, or do you talk to every stranger you come across like you're a horrible prick?
Some people don't realise, but reacting to this video is GREAT for your channels, because there's always at least 50k of us that will watch every single reaction. It's always worth it 😝
My 19 year old neice, who's been singing since about age 3-4, just figured out about 6 months ago that she can scream like that and control it, go back and forth between clean and gutteral, without damaging her voice at all. Some people just have a knack for it.
@@CharlieCalottaReacts Sometimes, esp for girls, they don't want to sound that aggressive. Until maybe a switch happens that feeds the want to scream, then BAM lol could be hard work, sometimes I think people are just gifted with things (and if they work hard also it only gets better)
It's funny how it works sometimes. My niece is mainly a suprano for everything she's done, esp drama and plays. I took her to karaoke, she fucked around doing a System Of A Down song and got a standing ovation lol now she has a group of fans every time I take her to that spot and they all wanna hear her sing and scream. She gets song requests now, it's awesome lol
In the teatime interview Elizabeth (The Charismatic Voice) did with Tatiana she said she was inspired after a friend played a song by Otep (Otep Shamaya) which opened her eyes to the fact that women can do harsh vocals. And then she basically started going to the edge of her village where she wouldn't disturb anyone and started screaming and kept experimenting until she found a way that sounded good and didn't hurt. Btw you should check out Otep some time. She was an early pioneer
True that was a good interview, but so far Lolli Wren( The Fairy Voice Mother) is the only one who figured it out first and even demonstrated it. False vocal folds. Vocal folds aren’t even engaged iirc I thought both of them gave the best analysis.
Also Tati said her own growl she was trying to sound a lot like Randy Blythe's growl as she was a Lamb of God fan as well. And otep oh man I love otep saw them live in late-2000s at a Dethlok concert if you can believe that. It was in St Louis. Only trouble was the part where I was from in Iowa was flooding at the time my buddies and I could barely get out of the city.
I saw Jinjer in concert this past weekend (4th time), and Tati is one of the most magnetic front person I have ever witnessed. The band is incredibly tight live. Tati is going to be a part of The Charismatic Voice's next round of study, so we will be able to see exactly how it's done
Just saw them a couple weeks ago for the second time. first was in 2019 Seems like her voice gets stronger and better each time. I've watched and listened to a lot of live performances. Hands down the best sounding live performances
NO WAY! I was so impressed to see the full film with Will Ramos and since then have been wanting to see some more documentary-style films like that but to see one with Tatiana, OH MY GOD *squeeks*
When Tatiana was young she heard other singers doing the technique and wanted to do it. It is actually quite remarkable that she learned it by ear the right way because many people don't. No guidance she just practiced. At one point she felt like she sounded too much like a woman doing it and doubled down to learn more of how the guys did it. Obviously she succeeded. 15 years later she's still doing it.
That is exactly how most people learn how to do it. Do you think the singer of Possessed or the singer of Death went to a vocal coach to learn how to scream or do guttural vocals?
Your face when you were waiting for her reaction. lol. That's the same way we look at people reacting to this for the first time. "Such a lovely voice" Ohhh just wait... lol
It’s funny because she was like “I’m not gonna be good at this?? I don’t know what to do!” And I was like “neither do I let’s just watch the video!” Lol thanks Prch ❤️❤️
For my money she‘s unusual in that her enuniciation is SO clear. So many screamers simply can‘t manage it and just growl through the words, turning them to soup. But they are tack-sharp with Tatiana. Also: Alyssa White-Gluz.
@@CharlieCalottaReactscheck out eivør, the last kingdom main theme live at hammersmith apollo. she is a classically trained sopran and owns a masters degree in traditional nordic vocal techniques. she is phenomenal. or falling free live at the old theater in tórshavn
Well worth catching them live - there's not many bands that sound just as good live as they do recorded, Jinjer are definitely one of them. All of them are phenomenal musicians.
Please please do more! Tati recently just joined Spiritbox for their song “Circle With Me” from Louder Than Life. I think you would both really appreciate seeing the queens of metal on stage together 🙏
Nice reaction. That belt you were seeking from the first video, that doesn't happen at the concert, I think she said she was afraid she'd screw it up or such, and that's a shame, knowing you know she can pull it off. The 'Perennial' from the same concert you saw here at Wacken was really good, she sings beautifully in that one, also you might want to check 'Judgement and punishment' - One take vocal performance, a great display of how crazy powerful yet controlled she gets with her voice.
@@CharlieCalottaReacts They were one of the opening acts for the day, and their set was cut short because they were having audio issues for that stage. I've heard they were still working on them till near the end of their set when they played Perennial as the impromptu finale, and the audio is more consistent for that song.
Its not fully unedited and live. Hence why you can hear vocal layering (2 vocals) during some scream sections. Along with whisper vocals you hear during the slow bridge part near the end.
its live with backing track. there are vocal overdubs on that backing track , you can hear them really obviously in the 2nd pre chorus, where there's clearly 2 or more vocals singing. And also the added whispering in the break. The sound is all real though it's just triple / quad tracked for extra thickness
Watching others first time just reminds me of my first time… It’s also nice seeing technical skilled singers evaluate emotional singing techniques that require the person to put their all into the moment.
On the record that belt in the end is doubled with growl. Live she just do the growls. On the live session they cut the growl. Now show her one take vocals from Courtney of Spiritbox and Will Ramos from Lorna Shore doing To the Hellfire. The live video were Tatiana guest on Spiritbox' Circle with Me is a banger and a must see.
Jinjer has been my favorite band since the first time I saw this video. I saw Jinjer live in 2019 and it was the greatest show I have ever seen. Tatiana is the most beautiful creature on this Earth.
When I first started singing harsh vocals, I didn't know how to and tried a few methods that felt natural to me, but it didn't work too well. That was, (pause to realise I'm getting old) about 16 or 17 years ago I think. Back then I found a video of Angela Gossow (back then singer of Arch Enemy, I recommend you listen to their song "Dead Eyes See no future", "Nemesis" or so - you'll find live versions from the "Tyrants of the Rising Sun" tour in Japan. In the video, she was coaching people how to do harsh vocals, and her hint (which worked well for me) was imagining you get back to your car (from the shops or whatever) and you just see someone breaking into your car and driving away. The moment in which you just scream "HEY!!!" without thinking is what you should try and replicate for your singing. Although to be precise, she describes growling, which is mostly used in Death Metal and genres closely related to it. Wil Ramos (the guy from the Charismatic Voice experiment, and singer for Lorna Shore) mainly uses screams in various iterations, which is a different technique. Then there's also throat singing, and there are Black Metal Screams (or shrieks). All of them use the false cords (mainly, although the proper vocal cords can be used to add melody) but all in a different way. And if you want to be blown away by vocal range (with harsh vocals), you should look at Dani Filth (Cradle of Filth, there are a bunch of songs that are good - I'd recommend "Her ghost in the fog" because it is well-known and commonly seen as one of their best). Anyway, what I wanted to get at is, within the metal community, there have been ressources and training for how to sing harsh vocals safely. Not everybody follows these, although most singers that do it for a while find a style or technique that is sustainable and doesn't do lasting damage. Some do experience some short term (a few hours, and drinking much liquid helps) straining or hoarseness in the voice though, which makes her effortless switch from harsh back to clean impressive even to people who can sing like that :D
It’s been said many times, but seeing musicians react to Tatiana never gets old. You mentioning the research with Elizabeth and Will was great. It’s awesome to see someone staying current with active research in their field.
As always, the expression-at-first-recognition was and will-always-be : Priceless. Thank you, friend of Charlie's**, for participating in his 3rd grade science project ("What is the maximal opening of the human jaw"). I've started doing some harsh vocals myself, putting an over-caffeinated 66 year old vocal tract to the test. To me, it is very relaxing and gives me a new context to re-learn aspects of head/neck anatomy (an essential pre-requisite to what I used to teach at the dental school- Care of Medically Compromised Patients). It has also helped me gain more control over that pesky 'raise-the-larynx' problem I have when I test the boundaries of my 'normal-singing' voice. Your guest asked 'How do you know you can do this?' as a vocalist?"
Yo Randall, this is awesome. I love your story of being a harsh vocal “hobbyist” I think there is seriously something to this. When I mess around with some harsh vocalism (though it doesn’t help when I have to sing Mozart operas 🤪) there is something amazing about reconteztualizing the voice as an instrument even more so in that sense. I am ALSO so bad with names, I get where you’re coming from haha. Keep on Harumpfing!
You should watch the one-take performance of "Judgment and Punishment" if you really want to see how Tatiana uses her entire body to support her singing.
As always, very sweet reaction. Here some fun facts - [how do you know you can do this?] Well, when she was a teen, a friend made her listen to growls (Opeth or Oteph, never remember), and after reveils her that it was a female that was doing the growls. For Tatiana, it was a crush. She wanted to do it. At first, it was nothing, but she never stop trying, shouting in her pillows, at cars on the streets.. and after years, her growls and screem evolve to what it is now, and still changing. - [She never follows vocal course] Only exception, one course when she was 8 years old. Also, she never practice prior to a show, record studio, etc. Her only trick : she sing all day long, every kind of music. - [The belt in Pisces was not in the live performance] As you said, she alternate between styles (clean and harsh; she called it extreme vocals), but not for this special belt in Pisces. In the studio album, they mixed the two styles together, so she simply choose to continue with the harsh vocals. But there is another reason. She said she is afraid to do it, that it can mess her vocals chords. So, even her has some limits. But if you are curious to listen to her most extrem live performance, and of course if you did not already react to it, try "Pit of conciousness live at kiev". By the way, I still wait to "The charismatic voice" to react to it. She even did a great interview with Tatiana (Tea and Coffee interview), but still never react to her most extreme performance. So if you are in link with her, give her this tip. - [They are touring non stop] I saw them live last year, at Montreal, and they were here just weeks ago, and there is a reason for this. As you know, there is a war in Ukraine.. and young men have to fight. When the war start, the band members was in Ukraine (probably Tatiana in California then). So, they should have to fight, right? Well, the governement stated the band is an ambasador of the country and allow them to tour, else then fight. So.. they have to tour. There are possibly nuances to add to what I wrote, but it was my understanding at the time, because I was affraid they died at war. And I can tell you they give a hell of a show. I wasn't sure what to expected because in the earlier years of the band, she was jumping everywhere, but was much calmer before the pandemic, mostly walking (the Australian show at Melbourn I think). The voice was there, but less show and she told she was tired of jumping everywhere. So when I saw them, and the first part band was really good, I was a bit affraid they do not do better. I was so wrong. The band, but mostly Tatiana, was just fantastic. She has just such a stage presence, and of course the voice!
This is awesome. The universals you can distill are: persistence, passion, obsession, and trust yourself (you are your own best teacher). This is a story that’s similar to all once in a lifetime singers from all styles. Truly inspiring. Such an amazing talented artist.
The band keeps touring not because they have to do it. They can stop it any day. But Jinjer just always keeps touring non-stop all their lifetime. Except the covid period of course. But even that time they used any chance to make some live concert (even without the crowd).
In this song Tatiana almost never does live the "sun beam" belt. If you want a good live combination of screams and belting try "On The Top" (official live).
16:20 She never does the belching live, ´cause the fry scream is less taxing on her voice when touring and singing live. You can see it in the studio session, that she works a lot harder when belting, than when she´s screaming.
Thank you for looking up a live version as well in one video, usually we have to wait weeks for a second live reaction. Seeing her live right after the studio session really seals the deal.
It puts such a smile on my face. They've been very complementary of each other for actually a decade since a video of IWABO including Courtney watching eastern European metal.
Great reaction. I would follow up and reaction to "Perennial" live at Wacken 2019 and Tatiana's collaboration with Spiritbox - Circle With Me Live from Louder Than Life 2024. Well done. (Subbed)
Tatiana doesn't sing the high belt live. She growls only. The album version has the belt and growl blended. I've seen them live a couple of times thus far at medium sized Austin Texas clubs. Amazing live band! Cheers y'all.
She's said in interviews she's afraid of messing up the transition to belting from growling live. The songs where she does it like Vortex and Judgement & Punishment she has about a second longer to switch.
It‘s always so nice to come back to this song and just dive in again and enjoy the *space*, it‘s just such a fantastic musical composition, regardless of the - admittedly out of this world - vocals.
Great stuff, Charlie! It was really interesting to watch Andrea's reaction compared to your prior knowledge of what Tatiana can do as explanation and nevertheless astonished admiration.
Thanks Jonathan, as always your encouragement is really appreciated :) I showed her a few different styles of music that I love on this channel. Always awesome hearing the “sheltered from TH-cam trends” perspective from my colleagues 😄
Hey, did you see that there was a followup video with Will Ramos and TheCharismaticVoice where they revisit the vocal research group for further testing beyond the laryngoscopy? Great stuff. AND, upcoming, Elizabeth (TheCharismaticVoice) will be bringing other extreme vocalists in, _including Tatiana!_
Guys, if you want advanced screaming go to the master himself, Devin Townsend and see the live performance in Royal Albert Hall, London. "DEVIN TOWNSEND PROJECT - Deadhead (Live at Royal Albert Hall)"
Jinjer's Pisces was a total shock for me - when I got to HER growl/scream part, I legitimately did a triple take. I was nonplussed at first and quickly devolved into utter confusion because the noises weren't matching the beautiful, tiny, adorable young woman XD I quickly adjusted but, goodness gracious, was I in limbo for ten seconds or so ;D It was MARVELOUS!
I've never seen the high belt in a live concert (I have seen them four times); I suspect that that is stressful to produce, especially after a full concert set. The duet with Courtney and Tati at Louder than Life - Spiritbox 'Circle With Me' is totally mind-blowing, amazing fire.
I feel theres something not true arround 7:00 , theres been teachers for screamo, growls, etc "metal voices" for years, and she prly was not playing arround, she was fan of other bands that did this, even other females like Angela Gossow during her Arch Enemy years, its a technique thats been in the scene since it was created basically
@@CharlieCalottaReactsalso the songs where she does the transition from growls to belting there's about an extra second for her to shift gears. I'd especially recommend the song On The Top live in Kiev (now Kyiv) for live belting with top quality recording. I Speak Astronomy is great too but there's no definitive recording of it, and since it was written as a :call to the universe" for a soulmate when Tati was lonely and searching it's lost a bit of it's edge since she found her husband - the Resurrection fest 2018 recording is the one I'd recommend. Captain Clock from the same show is great too. Their whole set was released.
@@j.f.fisher5318 I love Vortex live. In the section where she sings "Like a feather I travel down" then screams "the spiral staircase," she switches back and forth with barely a breath in between. I love the Audiotree - From Nothing version.
I first heard Jinjer before the pandemic, and this is the video I show people, or tell them to watch, when introducing the band to them. My wife and I attended a live interview with the band at the Grammy Museum in Los Angeles. We sat in the front row of the Clive Davis Theater, about 10 to 15 feet from the stage area they were seated on. It was very interesting to hear how they started back in the Ukraine, and how they have made it to where they are now.
@@CharlieCalottaReacts Also, if you haven't already, check out Devin Townsend. Start with his performance of "Kingdom" for EMG TV, then "Deadhead" at Royal Albert Hall. Then maybe finish with his performance of "Why" from his quarantine concert.
Someone might have already commented something similar to this but she's using false cord vocals for the lower screams and then when she goes what sounds like a higher pitch she is using vocal fry for the most part. Tati is a beast! She has a very angelic singing voice but is as brutal as any of the male death vocalists.
Which is crazy because she DOES do the belting lines in songs like Astronomy and Dead Hands live which to me seem like they would be a hell of a lot easier to botch, but I am not a vocalist so I have no idea lol
But she also sings and screams her ass off the entire show start to finish plus stomps all around the place so I have no idea how she can get through more than a few songs honestly.... She puts in work for sure
@@neilpatrickhairless Yeah at the end of Perennial from this same festival she is absolutely gassed when she is saying her farewell, yet she managed the song flawlessly.
@@CharlieCalottaReacts Spiritbox just did a live version of one of their most popular songs at Louder Than Life Festival Featuring Tatiana, 'Circle With Me' is the song. FABULOUS collaboration!!
I studied with Tibetan Monks whose prayers and chants are done using the same vocal folds. Im no singer- probably couldnt be much of one after serving in the Marine Corps and blowing out my voice....But I learned how to fully engage my vocal folds to where I can make that sound just about as low as Ive ever heard a human go with complete comfort and no damage done. Ive also managed to bring overtones at the same time. Im not sure what those count as, but I make them by using the sinus cavity- including the nose. I dont sing, I just do it for fun. My favorite place to practice is in this huge stone shower I built that has amazing resonance- it amplifies the sound through the whole house...My wife is awesome, she doesnt mind and gets a kick out of it- shes even told me it sounded really good a few times.
Two of their best live performances are ‘Perennial live at Wacken’ and ‘Pit of Consciousness live in Kiev’. The Pisces live performances often disappoint, with Tati being pitchy. It has been historically difficult for her to perform.
This song never gets old and watching the reaction is priceless. I'm glad someone else loves Tati's surprise belt after her growl onset. Love the way she tosses it off! Too bad she doesn't do the same in her live performances. It adds the perfect touch to this outstanding performance.
Teacher Teacher is one she does "the switch" back and forth, once quite quickly, but it is a split performance of the song. But she will get what she wants there because it is 2 live performances! Loved this Charlie! And Floor's intro! Thank you!!!!! Blessings from Bama!
I'll preface this by saying Tatiana is an incredible singer, an amazing talent and a unique contibution to the metal scene (both as a woman and also unrelated to her gender). That being said and with all due resect, it's incorrect that this recording is fully live. The vocals are very obviously double tracked, and possibly EQed. One example that's veyr easy to hear is on the line ``one being brings life", especially the word ``life", let's say on 6:38. If you hear her live in actual shows, she never sounds like this. Still amazing, but not like this.
I have seen Jinjer 4 times live and they are incredible. This last time, I was able to meet the band at a show last month in San Antonio. They are such nice people. Tati is the most beautiful woman I have ever seen in real life, like breathtaking. Love this band!
Here’s some stuff I read. Tatiana is a Pisces. It’s about swimming upstream looking for light and love only to be caught and killed by handsome butchers. She’s very quiet in real life. When the war in Ukraine started, their home, they all volunteered. They were told to continue touring and support the cause. Should have kept her. She would have won some battles.
What i love about this live session is that there is minimal "stage presence" movement, so you get a better visual of the full body physicality of the vocals themselves.
Sorry to blow your bubble, but it's not one take and the "live" is (therefor) questionable. It's definitely edited. Her hands change position between camera angles, like on 12:48 : left hand on mic stand, and in the next close-up it's on the mic again.
@@CharlieCalottaReactsThere's also audible overdubs where she's doubling herself. For example, close to the end "suffocate in painful torture," you can hear a high scream and a low scream. Not to take anything away from her at all. She's unbelievably gifted.
Tatiana is absolutely stunning with her performance and ability to switch between the two voices, and I personally think she definitely deserves the title of our national treasure, but... This ability is not unique, moreover, there were (and still are) women who can do it just as well or maybe even better. For example, former (Angela Gossow) and current (Alyssa White-Gluz) vocalists of Arch Enemy can do the same no problem. Granted, none of them has the same charming natural voice but ability to switch is just as good if not better, and growling voice is superb. But there's something about Jinjer and Tatiana personally that Arch Enemy can't compete with (and frankly no one else can in my opinion), something that unfortunately usually gets overlooked by most people reacting or even critically listening to Jinjer. Something that really is unique and deserving highest of praises. I'm talking about Tatiana's composer's talent. Most of Jinjer songs are so musically complex, include so many genres, experimentations, tempo, key and time signature shifts that the musical material of a single Jinjer song would be enough for other bands to create 3 or 4 songs. It's a shame so few people can recognize their true value.
Goddamn, Tatiana's voice always give me goosebumps. It's so damn beautiful. Pisces is that song that give me a wave of calm, and it stays through the whole song. I love it.
Honestly, the whole band transforms. It’s such a good studio performance. They are eyes closed and swaying then all of a sudden the fingers are FLYING on those frets. lol. And the drummer? 🤌🏻 This is why they’re one of my favorite bands. 🖤
for someone like me who really likes to understand things - it makes it MUCH more impressive hearing you talk about how she controls her throat vs my previous impression that someone is just screaming in tone. Knowing all the different parts of the throat that must be consciously controlled makes it incredibly interesting for me.
Your spot on on your observations of the technique to sing like that. The one piece you're missing is the use of the proximity effect to cup the mic enhancing bass response & harmonic distortion. This also allows for low volume "screams" but using the proximity effect to add harmonic distortion, girth & weight to the voice making it sound MUCH bigger & louder. THIS, along with learning very good technique & mic control is what makes it sustainable. She isn't screaming at the top of her lungs. It's a LOT more controlled than that. You can see she cups the mic demonstrating what I'm saying. Chino from the Deftones is a GREAT example of this as he does it constantly as well. Just a lil extra bit of info I thought might help those trying to use this technique so they don't destroy their voices trying to mimic this by trying to belt "growls" in full chest or head voice.
I just listened to another reactor on this very performance. I’ve been doing this for decades, chanting Sutras, it’s quite easy and pleasant to do if you do it correctly, without hurting yourself. But, like I say, have been “growling “, for many years chanting. Can switch back and forth quite easily also. Love the conversation, new subscriber.
For those who love the verse especially, check out Tapping the Vein (look for "Butterfly" to find the correct Tapping the Vein). Same sound, but instead of descending into lower range metal growl, she keeps the same vibe for chorus screams. Not to take away from the brilliance of Jinjer.
What I love about Tati is when she growls, you can understand what she's saying. If she wants to experience more of the band and Tati, Pernnial live from Wacken, WHo's gonna be the one live, teacher teacher, judgement (&punishment) one take vocal performance
I would suggest that you check out Tatiana’s new live collaboration live with Courtney La Plante of Spirt Box, which came out just last week. The song they sang was “Circle with me”. It was truly an epic performance by both singers.
you have to see the live version of Perennial at the Wacken concert. A masterpiece in terms of performance and singing. For me, this puts her in the ranks of the greatest like Geoff Tate, Dio, Dickinson etc. At one point she switches seamlessly from growling to clear singing... so perfect, if you don't see that it's live, you'd think it was mixed
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Andrea's reward for being the canary to Charlie's cat should be watching him lose his sh*t in his initial reaction videos...
Hahahahahahaha this is an all-time comment
Awesome! Next should definitely be Jinjer: Perennial, Live At Wacken Open Air 2019.
Edit: you brought up Tati singing Pisces from the same concert, so Perennial is the final song of their set...Tati and Jinjer are NEVER DISAPPOINTING!!
*Never get's old to first time reactors to Jinjer. lol*
*gets
@@PaleHorseShabuShabu This is social media...not grammer school
@@my.business Good. Maybe you’ll pay attention here since you obviously didn’t pay attention in grammar school.
@@PaleHorseShabuShabu We have fun here....we don't need someone acting as a teacher & rude about it. I'm a millionaire...so I don't give a flying F what you say. 🤣Get a life
@@PaleHorseShabuShabu Do you HAVE to be a twat? There is absolutely no reason for it, or do you talk to every stranger you come across like you're a horrible prick?
Some people don't realise, but reacting to this video is GREAT for your channels, because there's always at least 50k of us that will watch every single reaction. It's always worth it 😝
Facts. I'm here again lol
Yuuuup. Never fails that I click one
lots of fakers unfortunately
My 19 year old neice, who's been singing since about age 3-4, just figured out about 6 months ago that she can scream like that and control it, go back and forth between clean and gutteral, without damaging her voice at all. Some people just have a knack for it.
With enough determination, anything is possible
@@CharlieCalottaReacts Sometimes, esp for girls, they don't want to sound that aggressive. Until maybe a switch happens that feeds the want to scream, then BAM lol could be hard work, sometimes I think people are just gifted with things (and if they work hard also it only gets better)
She is gifted. Please teach her the ways of death metal.
It's funny how it works sometimes. My niece is mainly a suprano for everything she's done, esp drama and plays. I took her to karaoke, she fucked around doing a System Of A Down song and got a standing ovation lol now she has a group of fans every time I take her to that spot and they all wanna hear her sing and scream. She gets song requests now, it's awesome lol
@@cristianoteibel She's taught herself bro. She's a huge Mr Bungle fan, if you don't know that band you gotta look em up
In the teatime interview Elizabeth (The Charismatic Voice) did with Tatiana she said she was inspired after a friend played a song by Otep (Otep Shamaya) which opened her eyes to the fact that women can do harsh vocals. And then she basically started going to the edge of her village where she wouldn't disturb anyone and started screaming and kept experimenting until she found a way that sounded good and didn't hurt.
Btw you should check out Otep some time. She was an early pioneer
and the pillow got abused
Otep really had an impact on me too. She showed that it can be done really well! Though Angela Gossow also was great!
True that was a good interview, but so far Lolli Wren( The Fairy Voice Mother) is the only one who figured it out first and even demonstrated it. False vocal folds. Vocal folds aren’t even engaged iirc
I thought both of them gave the best analysis.
Also Tati said her own growl she was trying to sound a lot like Randy Blythe's growl as she was a Lamb of God fan as well. And otep oh man I love otep saw them live in late-2000s at a Dethlok concert if you can believe that. It was in St Louis. Only trouble was the part where I was from in Iowa was flooding at the time my buddies and I could barely get out of the city.
Karen Crisis pre-dates Otep. She never gets enough recognition.
I saw Jinjer in concert this past weekend (4th time), and Tati is one of the most magnetic front person I have ever witnessed. The band is incredibly tight live. Tati is going to be a part of The Charismatic Voice's next round of study, so we will be able to see exactly how it's done
oh, super neat. that should be very interesting!
Just saw them a couple weeks ago for the second time. first was in 2019 Seems like her voice gets stronger and better each time. I've watched and listened to a lot of live performances. Hands down the best sounding live performances
*_The Fairy Voice mother_* has done a really good break down of how Tati achieves her growl, and does a decent mimic of it.
NO WAY! I was so impressed to see the full film with Will Ramos and since then have been wanting to see some more documentary-style films like that but to see one with Tatiana, OH MY GOD *squeeks*
I'm a simple man. I see a first-time reaction to Tatiana Shmaylyuk, I mash that like button and watch with glee...
This video's for you man, glad you're here
@@CharlieCalottaReacts Glad to be here, my friend.
When Tatiana was young she heard other singers doing the technique and wanted to do it. It is actually quite remarkable that she learned it by ear the right way because many people don't. No guidance she just practiced. At one point she felt like she sounded too much like a woman doing it and doubled down to learn more of how the guys did it. Obviously she succeeded. 15 years later she's still doing it.
That is exactly how most people learn how to do it. Do you think the singer of Possessed or the singer of Death went to a vocal coach to learn how to scream or do guttural vocals?
Your face when you were waiting for her reaction. lol. That's the same way we look at people reacting to this for the first time. "Such a lovely voice" Ohhh just wait... lol
Such a lovely lovely voice.....wtf? 😂
03:25 That smile when he already knows...
😏
I saw that and was like: Oh buddy KNOWS.
It was my first watch too I'm like what is happening 😅
Charlie, tell your opera friend she is 🔥. Seeing their faces when they hear Tatiana for the first time never gets old 😅
It’s funny because she was like “I’m not gonna be good at this?? I don’t know what to do!” And I was like “neither do I let’s just watch the video!” Lol thanks Prch ❤️❤️
@@CharlieCalottaReactsoh she was perfect!
One of my little guilty pleasures in life is showing her to any unsuspecting soul. So wonderful.
I kid you not, I pull this on other opera singers all the time when we’re hanging out after rehearsal
The "WAAAAAAAAT" face is always priceless
I love doing that to my friends and coworkers lmao
they always get so shocked
Her enunciation while screaming is what I like about her. Judgement and Punishment one take is a really good view of how relaxed she is while singing.
For my money she‘s unusual in that her enuniciation is SO clear. So many screamers simply can‘t manage it and just growl through the words, turning them to soup. But they are tack-sharp with Tatiana. Also: Alyssa White-Gluz.
Jinjer - I speak astronomy (to hear her entire vocal range)
Sweeeeeet thank you
@@CharlieCalottaReactscheck out eivør, the last kingdom main theme live at hammersmith apollo. she is a classically trained sopran and owns a masters degree in traditional nordic vocal techniques. she is phenomenal. or falling free live at the old theater in tórshavn
Yes! Amazing song.
The life performance from Summer Breeze (2018) is really good, as far as i remember. Its a great song.
@@CharlieCalottaReacts but watch the covid-era live from hellfest version. Its the best, trust.
2:53 "I'm really excited to see where it goes." Hold on to your hat.
Well worth catching them live - there's not many bands that sound just as good live as they do recorded, Jinjer are definitely one of them. All of them are phenomenal musicians.
I’ve listened to this song hundreds of times and the belt still gives me goosebumps.
Every time. Without fail
He even clued you in that it was ''heavy, death metal'' and you still weren't expecting it! lol.
That reaction never gets old.
Which isn’t even the right genre lol
@@CharlieCalottaReacts I know, but it should have been a clue for the coming sound, lol.
Please please do more! Tati recently just joined Spiritbox for their song “Circle With Me” from Louder Than Life. I think you would both really appreciate seeing the queens of metal on stage together 🙏
Nice reaction. That belt you were seeking from the first video, that doesn't happen at the concert, I think she said she was afraid she'd screw it up or such, and that's a shame, knowing you know she can pull it off.
The 'Perennial' from the same concert you saw here at Wacken was really good, she sings beautifully in that one, also you might want to check 'Judgement and punishment' - One take vocal performance, a great display of how crazy powerful yet controlled she gets with her voice.
Totally makes sense. Thanks for these Recs, I appreciate the detail. Gives me something to look into for future videos. She’s an amazing singer
@@CharlieCalottaReacts They were one of the opening acts for the day, and their set was cut short because they were having audio issues for that stage. I've heard they were still working on them till near the end of their set when they played Perennial as the impromptu finale, and the audio is more consistent for that song.
Its not fully unedited and live. Hence why you can hear vocal layering (2 vocals) during some scream sections. Along with whisper vocals you hear during the slow bridge part near the end.
I'm curious which layer is the live vs the playback
its live with backing track. there are vocal overdubs on that backing track , you can hear them really obviously in the 2nd pre chorus, where there's clearly 2 or more vocals singing. And also the added whispering in the break. The sound is all real though it's just triple / quad tracked for extra thickness
He shows real live in the end. I honestly was kinda impressed myself when I saw her live being even better cuz many extreme vocalists suck live tbh.
Hah! Welcome ❤ Charlie you are an absolute fiend for that pause/setup. The side eye could be a meme 😂😂😂❤❤❤
Yo, I've been around enough of y'all to know what people wanna see hahahahaha, but for real that was really just my own greedy moment
Watching others first time just reminds me of my first time…
It’s also nice seeing technical skilled singers evaluate emotional singing techniques that require the person to put their all into the moment.
On the record that belt in the end is doubled with growl. Live she just do the growls. On the live session they cut the growl. Now show her one take vocals from Courtney of Spiritbox and Will Ramos from Lorna Shore doing To the Hellfire. The live video were Tatiana guest on Spiritbox' Circle with Me is a banger and a must see.
Jinjer has been my favorite band since the first time I saw this video. I saw Jinjer live in 2019 and it was the greatest show I have ever seen. Tatiana is the most beautiful creature on this Earth.
When I first started singing harsh vocals, I didn't know how to and tried a few methods that felt natural to me, but it didn't work too well. That was, (pause to realise I'm getting old) about 16 or 17 years ago I think. Back then I found a video of Angela Gossow (back then singer of Arch Enemy, I recommend you listen to their song "Dead Eyes See no future", "Nemesis" or so - you'll find live versions from the "Tyrants of the Rising Sun" tour in Japan. In the video, she was coaching people how to do harsh vocals, and her hint (which worked well for me) was imagining you get back to your car (from the shops or whatever) and you just see someone breaking into your car and driving away. The moment in which you just scream "HEY!!!" without thinking is what you should try and replicate for your singing.
Although to be precise, she describes growling, which is mostly used in Death Metal and genres closely related to it. Wil Ramos (the guy from the Charismatic Voice experiment, and singer for Lorna Shore) mainly uses screams in various iterations, which is a different technique. Then there's also throat singing, and there are Black Metal Screams (or shrieks). All of them use the false cords (mainly, although the proper vocal cords can be used to add melody) but all in a different way. And if you want to be blown away by vocal range (with harsh vocals), you should look at Dani Filth (Cradle of Filth, there are a bunch of songs that are good - I'd recommend "Her ghost in the fog" because it is well-known and commonly seen as one of their best).
Anyway, what I wanted to get at is, within the metal community, there have been ressources and training for how to sing harsh vocals safely. Not everybody follows these, although most singers that do it for a while find a style or technique that is sustainable and doesn't do lasting damage. Some do experience some short term (a few hours, and drinking much liquid helps) straining or hoarseness in the voice though, which makes her effortless switch from harsh back to clean impressive even to people who can sing like that :D
I always enjoy reactions to this one, thank you
It’s been said many times, but seeing musicians react to Tatiana never gets old. You mentioning the research with Elizabeth and Will was great. It’s awesome to see someone staying current with active research in their field.
See some of the earlier *JINJER* songs / performances.
_"Outlander"_ (Live 2014)
_"No Hoard of Value"_ (Lyric Video)
I loved your little explanation and reference to the charismatic voice.
I will see them again next month, i cant wait 😂
Have fun!
As always, the expression-at-first-recognition was and will-always-be : Priceless.
Thank you, friend of Charlie's**, for participating in his 3rd grade science project ("What is the maximal opening of the human jaw").
I've started doing some harsh vocals myself, putting an over-caffeinated 66 year old vocal tract to the test.
To me, it is very relaxing and gives me a new context to re-learn aspects of head/neck anatomy (an essential pre-requisite to what I used to teach at the dental school- Care of Medically Compromised Patients). It has also helped me gain more control over that pesky 'raise-the-larynx' problem I have when I test the boundaries of my 'normal-singing' voice.
Your guest asked 'How do you know you can do this?' as a vocalist?"
Yo Randall, this is awesome. I love your story of being a harsh vocal “hobbyist” I think there is seriously something to this. When I mess around with some harsh vocalism (though it doesn’t help when I have to sing Mozart operas 🤪) there is something amazing about reconteztualizing the voice as an instrument even more so in that sense. I am ALSO so bad with names, I get where you’re coming from haha. Keep on Harumpfing!
You should watch the one-take performance of "Judgment and Punishment" if you really want to see how Tatiana uses her entire body to support her singing.
I love being reminded of this performance! It has been a couple of years and never fails to impress
As always, very sweet reaction.
Here some fun facts
- [how do you know you can do this?]
Well, when she was a teen, a friend made her listen to growls (Opeth or Oteph, never remember), and after reveils her that it was a female that was doing the growls. For Tatiana, it was a crush. She wanted to do it. At first, it was nothing, but she never stop trying, shouting in her pillows, at cars on the streets.. and after years, her growls and screem evolve to what it is now, and still changing.
- [She never follows vocal course]
Only exception, one course when she was 8 years old. Also, she never practice prior to a show, record studio, etc. Her only trick : she sing all day long, every kind of music.
- [The belt in Pisces was not in the live performance]
As you said, she alternate between styles (clean and harsh; she called it extreme vocals), but not for this special belt in Pisces. In the studio album, they mixed the two styles together, so she simply choose to continue with the harsh vocals. But there is another reason. She said she is afraid to do it, that it can mess her vocals chords. So, even her has some limits. But if you are curious to listen to her most extrem live performance, and of course if you did not already react to it, try "Pit of conciousness live at kiev". By the way, I still wait to "The charismatic voice" to react to it. She even did a great interview with Tatiana (Tea and Coffee interview), but still never react to her most extreme performance. So if you are in link with her, give her this tip.
- [They are touring non stop]
I saw them live last year, at Montreal, and they were here just weeks ago, and there is a reason for this. As you know, there is a war in Ukraine.. and young men have to fight. When the war start, the band members was in Ukraine (probably Tatiana in California then). So, they should have to fight, right? Well, the governement stated the band is an ambasador of the country and allow them to tour, else then fight. So.. they have to tour. There are possibly nuances to add to what I wrote, but it was my understanding at the time, because I was affraid they died at war. And I can tell you they give a hell of a show. I wasn't sure what to expected because in the earlier years of the band, she was jumping everywhere, but was much calmer before the pandemic, mostly walking (the Australian show at Melbourn I think). The voice was there, but less show and she told she was tired of jumping everywhere. So when I saw them, and the first part band was really good, I was a bit affraid they do not do better. I was so wrong. The band, but mostly Tatiana, was just fantastic. She has just such a stage presence, and of course the voice!
Otep.
This is awesome. The universals you can distill are: persistence, passion, obsession, and trust yourself (you are your own best teacher). This is a story that’s similar to all once in a lifetime singers from all styles. Truly inspiring. Such an amazing talented artist.
The band keeps touring not because they have to do it. They can stop it any day.
But Jinjer just always keeps touring non-stop all their lifetime.
Except the covid period of course. But even that time they used any chance to make some live concert (even without the crowd).
In this song Tatiana almost never does live the "sun beam" belt.
If you want a good live combination of screams and belting try "On The Top" (official live).
I love that description. It’s totally accurate “sun beam” that’s perfect. Thanks, this’ll be great.
16:20 She never does the belching live, ´cause the fry scream is less taxing on her voice when touring and singing live. You can see it in the studio session, that she works a lot harder when belting, than when she´s screaming.
Belching is burping😅 Belting is the word you’re looking for:)
@@ega7072 lol! Yup! 😂🤣😂 (edited)
Thank you for looking up a live version as well in one video, usually we have to wait weeks for a second live reaction.
Seeing her live right after the studio session really seals the deal.
you gotta show her the new live spiritbox video with Tatiana singing circle with me.its even better than the original
Once I’ve seen that 🤣
Yes, it is sooooooo good!!
@@CharlieCalottaReacts only this. Unreal.
It puts such a smile on my face. They've been very complementary of each other for actually a decade since a video of IWABO including Courtney watching eastern European metal.
This!🤘🏻
Elizibeth from "The Charismatic Voice" did a tea time with Tatiana and talked abount how she learned that she could sing like that.
Great reaction. I would follow up and reaction to "Perennial" live at Wacken 2019 and Tatiana's collaboration with Spiritbox - Circle With Me Live from Louder Than Life 2024. Well done. (Subbed)
Love this!! Jinjer are one of my favs, mostly because of the vocals but also how versatile the band are with their sound.
Great reaction! Big Love
Tatiana doesn't sing the high belt live. She growls only. The album version has the belt and growl blended. I've seen them live a couple of times thus far at medium sized Austin Texas clubs. Amazing live band! Cheers y'all.
She's said in interviews she's afraid of messing up the transition to belting from growling live. The songs where she does it like Vortex and Judgement & Punishment she has about a second longer to switch.
It‘s always so nice to come back to this song and just dive in again and enjoy the *space*, it‘s just such a fantastic musical composition, regardless of the - admittedly out of this world - vocals.
Great stuff, Charlie! It was really interesting to watch Andrea's reaction compared to your prior knowledge of what Tatiana can do as explanation and nevertheless astonished admiration.
Thanks Jonathan, as always your encouragement is really appreciated :) I showed her a few different styles of music that I love on this channel. Always awesome hearing the “sheltered from TH-cam trends” perspective from my colleagues 😄
Her bandmates are absolutely incredible too! What an amazing song.
Hey, did you see that there was a followup video with Will Ramos and TheCharismaticVoice where they revisit the vocal research group for further testing beyond the laryngoscopy? Great stuff. AND, upcoming, Elizabeth (TheCharismaticVoice) will be bringing other extreme vocalists in, _including Tatiana!_
Yeah! It’s an awesome video. I’m so happy about that project
Elizabeth also did an interview with Tatiana. Worth the watch
Guys, if you want advanced screaming go to the master himself, Devin Townsend
and see the live performance in Royal Albert Hall, London.
"DEVIN TOWNSEND PROJECT - Deadhead (Live at Royal Albert Hall)"
Have her watch Judgement & Punishment one take vocal then Perennial live at Wacken.
Jinjer's Pisces was a total shock for me - when I got to HER growl/scream part, I legitimately did a triple take. I was nonplussed at first and quickly devolved into utter confusion because the noises weren't matching the beautiful, tiny, adorable young woman XD I quickly adjusted but, goodness gracious, was I in limbo for ten seconds or so ;D It was MARVELOUS!
Right i still cant wrap my brain around it
Opera Singer is gorgeous
I've never seen the high belt in a live concert (I have seen them four times); I suspect that that is stressful to produce, especially after a full concert set. The duet with Courtney and Tati at Louder than Life - Spiritbox 'Circle With Me' is totally mind-blowing, amazing fire.
Teacher teacher - jinjer will blow your mind
Yeah that is my personal fav.....
My fav.
😮 holy moly how?
Spiritbox and Tatiana did a live performance recently together both female lead in metal bands.
finally got to see them live last summer, they did not disappoint at all
I feel theres something not true arround 7:00 , theres been teachers for screamo, growls, etc "metal voices" for years, and she prly was not playing arround, she was fan of other bands that did this, even other females like Angela Gossow during her Arch Enemy years, its a technique thats been in the scene since it was created basically
I am so glad I found your channel, Charlie - this was fascinating! Thanks for bringing your expert friends along for the ride :)
Artist: Arch Enemy song: The eagle flies alone.
Charlie, we need more reactions from Andrea. She is great.
Tati doesnt do the E5 clean live. She saves it for the higher notes she does.
That makes sense. It’s like choosing optional high notes in opera. You save it for the best ones you got live. She’s epic
@@CharlieCalottaReactsalso the songs where she does the transition from growls to belting there's about an extra second for her to shift gears. I'd especially recommend the song On The Top live in Kiev (now Kyiv) for live belting with top quality recording. I Speak Astronomy is great too but there's no definitive recording of it, and since it was written as a :call to the universe" for a soulmate when Tati was lonely and searching it's lost a bit of it's edge since she found her husband - the Resurrection fest 2018 recording is the one I'd recommend. Captain Clock from the same show is great too. Their whole set was released.
@@j.f.fisher5318 I love Vortex live. In the section where she sings "Like a feather I travel down" then screams "the spiral staircase," she switches back and forth with barely a breath in between. I love the Audiotree - From Nothing version.
I first heard Jinjer before the pandemic, and this is the video I show people, or tell them to watch, when introducing the band to them. My wife and I attended a live interview with the band at the Grammy Museum in Los Angeles. We sat in the front row of the Clive Davis Theater, about 10 to 15 feet from the stage area they were seated on. It was very interesting to hear how they started back in the Ukraine, and how they have made it to where they are now.
The Charismatic Voice has a Go Fund Me going to fund the same study on multiple harsh vocalists, Tatiana included.
Yes! Super awesome project
@@CharlieCalottaReacts Also, if you haven't already, check out Devin Townsend. Start with his performance of "Kingdom" for EMG TV, then "Deadhead" at Royal Albert Hall. Then maybe finish with his performance of "Why" from his quarantine concert.
I have reactions to those on this channel actually. Can start here:
th-cam.com/video/6NGrY1FBzXU/w-d-xo.htmlsi=z5aS2Gp8qiH0aUiE
@@CharlieCalottaReacts I guess I didn't scroll down the list far enough....lol
Someone might have already commented something similar to this but she's using false cord vocals for the lower screams and then when she goes what sounds like a higher pitch she is using vocal fry for the most part. Tati is a beast! She has a very angelic singing voice but is as brutal as any of the male death vocalists.
8:11 Shoutout to Elizabeth!🙌
Never heard this band before and I must say that I’m most impressed by the drummer. He’s got more talent than most musicians
She never sings the Pisces high belt live. She is terrified that she will F it up.
Which is crazy because she DOES do the belting lines in songs like Astronomy and Dead Hands live which to me seem like they would be a hell of a lot easier to botch, but I am not a vocalist so I have no idea lol
But she also sings and screams her ass off the entire show start to finish plus stomps all around the place so I have no idea how she can get through more than a few songs honestly.... She puts in work for sure
@@neilpatrickhairless Right? I think it is some sort of phobia. She *can* do it, but her inner demons won’t let her try.
@@cyberia55 It's best not to think about Tati's inner demons 😉
@@neilpatrickhairless Yeah at the end of Perennial from this same festival she is absolutely gassed when she is saying her farewell, yet she managed the song flawlessly.
Hi from Australia, I’ve seen Jinjer live in concert 😊
Now show her spiritbox and arch enemy!!!!! 🙏
Yo I need to see Spirit Box first!! Lol but good call. Arch enemy is unreal.
@@CharlieCalottaReacts Spiritbox just did a live version of one of their most popular songs at Louder Than Life Festival Featuring Tatiana, 'Circle With Me' is the song. FABULOUS collaboration!!
I studied with Tibetan Monks whose prayers and chants are done using the same vocal folds.
Im no singer- probably couldnt be much of one after serving in the Marine Corps and blowing out my voice....But I learned how to fully engage my vocal folds to where I can make that sound just about as low as Ive ever heard a human go with complete comfort and no damage done. Ive also managed to bring overtones at the same time. Im not sure what those count as, but I make them by using the sinus cavity- including the nose.
I dont sing, I just do it for fun. My favorite place to practice is in this huge stone shower I built that has amazing resonance- it amplifies the sound through the whole house...My wife is awesome, she doesnt mind and gets a kick out of it- shes even told me it sounded really good a few times.
Dude your life is awesome.
Two of their best live performances are ‘Perennial live at Wacken’ and ‘Pit of Consciousness live in Kiev’. The Pisces live performances often disappoint, with Tati being pitchy. It has been historically difficult for her to perform.
This song never gets old and watching the reaction is priceless. I'm glad someone else loves Tati's surprise belt after her growl onset. Love the way she tosses it off! Too bad she doesn't do the same in her live performances. It adds the perfect touch to this outstanding performance.
If you just wanna see her try Judgement & Punishment one take
Would be a great rec on live
@@CharlieCalottaReacts
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Teacher Teacher is one she does "the switch" back and forth, once quite quickly, but it is a split performance of the song. But she will get what she wants there because it is 2 live performances! Loved this Charlie! And Floor's intro! Thank you!!!!! Blessings from Bama!
Outstanding! You are quickly becoming one of my favorite reactors. Keep spreading the love!!!
I'll preface this by saying Tatiana is an incredible singer, an amazing talent and a unique contibution to the metal scene (both as a woman and also unrelated to her gender). That being said and with all due resect, it's incorrect that this recording is fully live. The vocals are very obviously double tracked, and possibly EQed. One example that's veyr easy to hear is on the line ``one being brings life", especially the word ``life", let's say on 6:38. If you hear her live in actual shows, she never sounds like this. Still amazing, but not like this.
Glad to see you guys have good taste in headphones. KPH40s are my favorite on the go headphones and sound so good!
next get her Spiritbox - Circle With Me ft. Tatiana Shmayluk of Jinjer - Live from Louder Than Life 2024 - th-cam.com/video/TK81YePqfZE/w-d-xo.html
I have seen Jinjer 4 times live and they are incredible. This last time, I was able to meet the band at a show last month in San Antonio. They are such nice people. Tati is the most beautiful woman I have ever seen in real life, like breathtaking. Love this band!
Here’s some stuff I read. Tatiana is a Pisces. It’s about swimming upstream looking for light and love only to be caught and killed by handsome butchers. She’s very quiet in real life. When the war in Ukraine started, their home, they all volunteered. They were told to continue touring and support the cause. Should have kept her. She would have won some battles.
No it is not. It's about a virgin
@ really? Sez who? Not that I doubt you but tell me. At length. Sounds interesting.
@@garyrobb5341 read the lyrics
What i love about this live session is that there is minimal "stage presence" movement, so you get a better visual of the full body physicality of the vocals themselves.
Sorry to blow your bubble, but it's not one take and the "live" is (therefor) questionable. It's definitely edited. Her hands change position between camera angles, like on 12:48 : left hand on mic stand, and in the next close-up it's on the mic again.
Yo fair, I’m relying on comments like this for the evidence, so I appreciate it
@@CharlieCalottaReactsThere's also audible overdubs where she's doubling herself. For example, close to the end "suffocate in painful torture," you can hear a high scream and a low scream. Not to take anything away from her at all. She's unbelievably gifted.
Wouldn't it be the voice that's one shot but not the clip... ? Just saying
Tatiana is absolutely stunning with her performance and ability to switch between the two voices, and I personally think she definitely deserves the title of our national treasure, but... This ability is not unique, moreover, there were (and still are) women who can do it just as well or maybe even better. For example, former (Angela Gossow) and current (Alyssa White-Gluz) vocalists of Arch Enemy can do the same no problem. Granted, none of them has the same charming natural voice but ability to switch is just as good if not better, and growling voice is superb.
But there's something about Jinjer and Tatiana personally that Arch Enemy can't compete with (and frankly no one else can in my opinion), something that unfortunately usually gets overlooked by most people reacting or even critically listening to Jinjer. Something that really is unique and deserving highest of praises.
I'm talking about Tatiana's composer's talent. Most of Jinjer songs are so musically complex, include so many genres, experimentations, tempo, key and time signature shifts that the musical material of a single Jinjer song would be enough for other bands to create 3 or 4 songs. It's a shame so few people can recognize their true value.
funny thing is, in the live version she doesn't belt, to rest her voice, she goes harsh.
Funny thing is Tati says that her harsh vocal is easier then her cleans which is nuts.
Goddamn, Tatiana's voice always give me goosebumps. It's so damn beautiful. Pisces is that song that give me a wave of calm, and it stays through the whole song. I love it.
You should show her Nightwish next 😁
Honestly the most impressive thing about this song is that the "drummer" is a pianist that taught himself to play drums
introduce her to Floor.
Yes, Wednesday that one will come out. We did GLS
Honestly, the whole band transforms. It’s such a good studio performance. They are eyes closed and swaying then all of a sudden the fingers are FLYING on those frets. lol. And the drummer? 🤌🏻 This is why they’re one of my favorite bands. 🖤
He says just this year but I recall someone talking about this type of singing maybe 5 years ago. Still mind boggling
Andrea is awesome. Love to listen to you two.
for someone like me who really likes to understand things - it makes it MUCH more impressive hearing you talk about how she controls her throat vs my previous impression that someone is just screaming in tone. Knowing all the different parts of the throat that must be consciously controlled makes it incredibly interesting for me.
Your spot on on your observations of the technique to sing like that. The one piece you're missing is the use of the proximity effect to cup the mic enhancing bass response & harmonic distortion. This also allows for low volume "screams" but using the proximity effect to add harmonic distortion, girth & weight to the voice making it sound MUCH bigger & louder. THIS, along with learning very good technique & mic control is what makes it sustainable. She isn't screaming at the top of her lungs. It's a LOT more controlled than that. You can see she cups the mic demonstrating what I'm saying. Chino from the Deftones is a GREAT example of this as he does it constantly as well. Just a lil extra bit of info I thought might help those trying to use this technique so they don't destroy their voices trying to mimic this by trying to belt "growls" in full chest or head voice.
I just listened to another reactor on this very performance.
I’ve been doing this for decades, chanting Sutras, it’s quite easy and pleasant to do if you do it correctly, without hurting yourself.
But, like I say, have been “growling “, for many years chanting. Can switch back and forth quite easily also. Love the conversation, new subscriber.
For those who love the verse especially, check out Tapping the Vein (look for "Butterfly" to find the correct Tapping the Vein). Same sound, but instead of descending into lower range metal growl, she keeps the same vibe for chorus screams.
Not to take away from the brilliance of Jinjer.
What I love about Tati is when she growls, you can understand what she's saying. If she wants to experience more of the band and Tati, Pernnial live from Wacken, WHo's gonna be the one live, teacher teacher, judgement (&punishment) one take vocal performance
To see her switch live, look up perennial live a Wacken. Around two minutes in she does it flawlessly
I would suggest that you check out Tatiana’s new live collaboration live with Courtney La Plante of Spirt Box, which came out just last week. The song they sang was “Circle with me”. It was truly an epic performance by both singers.
you have to see the live version of Perennial at the Wacken concert. A masterpiece in terms of performance and singing. For me, this puts her in the ranks of the greatest like Geoff Tate, Dio, Dickinson etc. At one point she switches seamlessly from growling to clear singing... so perfect, if you don't see that it's live, you'd think it was mixed
Charlie, you meanie!
Watching you, getting ready for the shock.
Tati! 🟨🟦, such a sweet voice, followed by the growl.
Then the sudden switch back!