Last September my 2017 Escape started up in the mornings rough and a warning light came on. The Escape was due for routine servicing at the dealership. They checked the light and told me it needed a new engine due to the coolant issue. It was a short block replacement and took about one month to complete due to part issues. This happened at 64k kms and was covered under the powertrain warranty.
I hear that the 1.5L and 2.0L ecoboost engines made at the Cleveland plant were the troublesome engines with the coolant intrusion issues, but the same engines that were made in spain didn't have that issue. If that's the case than that would explain why the TSB stated some ecoboost 1.5L and 2.0L engines may have issues with coolant intrusion. I heard there is a sticker on the engine to see where your ecoboost engine was made.
I had heard of problems with the 1.5 and my brothers 3.5 in his f150 is constantly in the shop. This is why I chose a 2020 Ecosport over the Escape. I got the non-turbo 2.0 motor so hopefully less problems. Its plenty fast enough and still tows 2k lbs just fine which I have done several times with two quads on a aluminum trailer.
When the bad engine is replaced with solid pistons is the car worth keeping or get rid of it? 2017 Escape broke down 06/02/2022 towed to ford dealer puff of smoke came out exhaust . I had transmisson replaced 6 mo. ago 87, 000 miles has 92,000 miles now. Thank goodness I bought extended warranty. Also what is long block?
My 2016 Fusion 1.5 EB at 77k had a cracked head and was leaking coolant into bank 1 on the coder. Took it to dealer and they replaced the engine. It cost me $100 deductable on the extended warranty. Glad I got that when I bought it new. Now that I look back it had a misfire code about a year before the main issue. I wonder if thats when it started to fail. Thanks for the up close video.
Thanks! It’s very possible that it was leaking for a while. They are usually a really slow leak so most people don’t notice anything other than a check engine light.
I bought a used 2018 Fusion 1.5 w/15k miles on it. According to the CarFax "Short block replaced" was on there from the Ford Dealership 6 months and 40 miles before I took delivery of it. Safe to say I shouldn't have to worry about this issue moving forward? Im still a bit confused at what all the TSB details, just a new block and gaskets? What about pistons, injectors, plugs, seals, cams etc?
You shouldn’t have to worry about the coolant intrusion anymore. Under warranty ford only lets us replace the short block with consists of block, crank, rods, pistons, and all the necessary gaskets. They make us re use the cylinder head, cams, injectors, oil pump, oil pan, and pretty much everything else. The only way they will let the head be replaced is if we can prove it’s warped or damaged.
I have question but not about this engine. How is the 2.0L engine in Ford Edge (let say year 2018)? Does it have these kind of problems? Lot of people are saying to get 6 cylinder for Ford Edge, but I just realized that it has water pump inside the engine on timing chain and it can leak fluid inside the engine and create a lot of problems. Which one would you get, 2.0L turbo or 6 cylinder naturally aspirated?
@@FlyingWrenches13 Thanks. So, would it damage the engine when it starts leaking? Essentially, how to know if it is leaking, can you see it on oil cap? Probably the coolant level will be lower, I'm guessing.
Yeah most of the time it leaks out of the weep hole which is outside the engine. Every now and then I see one that leaked inside the engine and contaminated the oil but even then you can usually flush the engine and not have any issues with it.
I have fixed it with a little hole on coolant cap. Coolant goes without pressure, the leaking has stopped. I use one that starts boiling at 138°C, so no problem about no pressure, no need of changing anything, just a hole. 1.5 ecoboost with 80k milles and running good. Editing this comment: 2 weeks ago my 1.5 ecoboost lost almost all the coolant by the coolant cap. Compression has started to pass from the cilinders to the coolant system. 126.000 km, a total hell, and what is worse here in Spain Ford doesn't want to assume nothing. I'm really disappointed with Ford, I love the Ford feeling on its cars, love Ford designs, and Ford doesn't want me, oh God!
Que pena amigo. Estoy de acuerdo que los Ford son comodos, bonitos, y manejan bien. Creo que si puedes usar mejores empaques para la cabeza que podria resolver el problema. Pues que sucedió??
@@jamesmedina2062 Lamentablemente la solución funcionó unos meses pues la fuga ocurría en frío. Hasta que ha terminado por reventar y en caliente también pasa toda la presión al circuito de refrigeración, es un fallo de diseño que Ford no quiere asumir.
@@felixbgc refrigeracion y el motor estan separados que no? No entiendo. Y pues tu motor necesita reparaciones y no esta bien verdad? Alguien en la compania tiene que responder
@@jamesmedina2062 por el diseño de cilindros flotantes, la refrigeración está separada de las cámaras de combustión por una fina pared, que entre cilindros resulta ser demasiado fina. Ford está cambiando el bloque de motor (la parte de abajo, lo que no es la culata) en coches con menos de 3 años está pagando el coste, pero en el resto pretende que el cliente asuma su fallo de motor. Realmente el resto de fabricantes debería estar agradecido con Ford, porque alguien que experimenta algo tan indecente necesitará otro coche y está claro que no va a ser Ford. Yo perderé 4000$ pero Ford va a perder 400.000$ solamente con la influencia que ya estoy teniendo en familiares, amigos, cientos de alumnos que reciben mis clases. No entiendo esta forma de proceder de Ford, era una oportunidad de quedar como una gran compañía, lo que creo que es, pero está demostrando lo contrario, no merecen los clientes que tienen.
Hey I just found really good deal for 2017 Ford Fusion with 1.5L Eco /56.000 miles on it . After watching your video it’s kinda scared me to buy it . Do you think should I look for another car or go for it . ?
I'm hoping mine goes before the warranty so can I get it replaced. I'm also thinking about trading it in for Toyota rav 4 which would kill me to not drive an American car. I'm very confused.
I would just get rid of it when the extended warranty runs out. Last thing you want is to be stuck with a bill that’s 75 percent of what the car is worth.
Seems to be a recurring theme with these small Ecoboosts. Budget turbocharged designs rushed out to keep ahead of emissions regulations. It doesn't help that they try to get these engines to temp so fast that they use complicated cooling setups. The HPFP is alright as long as they don't develop leaks that put fuel in the engine oil. Then you have all kinds of problems.
For sure. I just shook my head the first time i seen they put shutters in front of the radiator to block air from passing through until it gets to operating temp. Puts a lot of trust in a tiny actuator.
@@FlyingWrenches13 Its a smart thing and Chevy did it too. My Civic will stay cold in town if it is really cold outside. It will also take OVER 10 minutes to warm up. It needs those shutters.
I have a 2014 Ford Fusion that blows lots of white smoke out of the back do you think ford will fix it for free because it’s a known issue and there’s currently a class action lawsuit against them for this exact issue? The car has 54k miles.
What garbage of a vehicle. I'll keep my 03 Grand Marquis with 360,000 miles and all original except for 1 intake manifold, 1 AC pump, and 1 alternator.
I gave up on Ford after they went Ecoboost as their go to new technology. I avoid all turbos. Too much pressure on all aluminum blocks. Guaranteed to fail.
@@FlyingWrenches13 I will say this. Aluminums come in different alloys and generally it will expand quite a bit. This problem managing the coolant is a serious thing but also a minor thing in a way. Why doesn't Ford use a better head gasket and why doesn't the little passageway between cylinders go all the way from one side to the other??
@@jamesmedina2062 because they’re ford and are broke as fuck so they make a good amount of their cars fail so the customer can keep buying new cars or hope some unfortunate low class income person buys their junk and wants expensive repairs! There’s a reason why ford doesn’t participate in lemans. Because they can’t afford it, but when they do…. and lose! hope they can make it back with these tactics.
power needs to get sealed up well, cooling has to work, and fuel and boost need to be adjusted properly. Thats what today's ECU does for you. Sure you can stay in the 1960's technology-wise but why would you if you had new tech to attain better economy?
The 1.5 and the 1.6 liter Ecoboost engines are junk. Don’t buy any Ford with those engines. Also the transverse mounted 3.5, 3.5 Ecoboost, and 3.7 liter V6 engines are junk too because of the timing chain driven water pump and don’t forget how bad the 4.6 and 5.4 liter 3 valve engines were really really bad for cam phasers, timing chains, oil pumps, and camshafts.
3.5 sideways engines are pretty solid other than the water pump which is not really that bad when compared to other makes. 4.6’s didn’t have phasers and honestly is probably the best engine ford has had in the last 20 years. They are pretty much indestructible.
@@FlyingWrenches13 The 2 valve and 4 valve engines didn’t have phasers. All the 3 valve engines except for the 6.8 V10 did have cam phasers. The 2 valve and 4 valve regardless of the displacement were good engines.
Last September my 2017 Escape started up in the mornings rough and a warning light came on. The Escape was due for routine servicing at the dealership. They checked the light and told me it needed a new engine due to the coolant issue. It was a short block replacement and took about one month to complete due to part issues. This happened at 64k kms and was covered under the powertrain warranty.
Glad to hear you got yours fixed under warranty!
I hear that the 1.5L and 2.0L ecoboost engines made at the Cleveland plant were the troublesome engines with the coolant intrusion issues, but the same engines that were made in spain didn't have that issue. If that's the case than that would explain why the TSB stated some ecoboost 1.5L and 2.0L engines may have issues with coolant intrusion. I heard there is a sticker on the engine to see where your ecoboost engine was made.
Where is the sticker to be exact?
@@w4lknde4d25 it's on the left hand side next to the engine cover at the top. its a white sticker. If it says VEP it was made in Valencia spain.
I had heard of problems with the 1.5 and my brothers 3.5 in his f150 is constantly in the shop. This is why I chose a 2020 Ecosport over the Escape. I got the non-turbo 2.0 motor so hopefully less problems. Its plenty fast enough and still tows 2k lbs just fine which I have done several times with two quads on a aluminum trailer.
You made a very good decision in going with the NA 2.0.
Hello,
what engine code do the new blocks have?
Kind regards
What do you think about the 2.5L 4 cylinders in the Fusions?
When the bad engine is replaced with solid pistons is the car worth keeping or get rid of it? 2017 Escape broke down 06/02/2022 towed to ford dealer puff of smoke came out exhaust . I had transmisson replaced 6 mo. ago 87, 000 miles has 92,000 miles now.
Thank goodness I bought extended warranty. Also what is long block?
A long block is the bottom part of the engine combined with the cylinder head(s). A short block is just the bottom part of the engine with no head(s).
Where can I get this new block from??
Получается пропил между цилиндрами убрали и заменили на отверстие? Это как то увеличило ресурс?
My 2016 Fusion 1.5 EB at 77k had a cracked head and was leaking coolant into bank 1 on the coder. Took it to dealer and they replaced the engine. It cost me $100 deductable on the extended warranty. Glad I got that when I bought it new. Now that I look back it had a misfire code about a year before the main issue. I wonder if thats when it started to fail. Thanks for the up close video.
Thanks! It’s very possible that it was leaking for a while. They are usually a really slow leak so most people don’t notice anything other than a check engine light.
I bought a used 2018 Fusion 1.5 w/15k miles on it. According to the CarFax "Short block replaced" was on there from the Ford Dealership 6 months and 40 miles before I took delivery of it. Safe to say I shouldn't have to worry about this issue moving forward? Im still a bit confused at what all the TSB details, just a new block and gaskets? What about pistons, injectors, plugs, seals, cams etc?
You shouldn’t have to worry about the coolant intrusion anymore. Under warranty ford only lets us replace the short block with consists of block, crank, rods, pistons, and all the necessary gaskets. They make us re use the cylinder head, cams, injectors, oil pump, oil pan, and pretty much everything else. The only way they will let the head be replaced is if we can prove it’s warped or damaged.
I was told that the timing belt was replaced as well but looking at the list of what was replaced I didn’t see that.
very good the video.
Thank you!
I wish I would've watched this before I bought my 2018 Fusion with this engine 2 days ago.
Aww man. How many miles?
Man fuck it, take it back or trade it again. Might as well save u the headache with the thousands it takes if u can’t do it yourself
Does the problem come back later on after it’s fixed ?
No the new block is revised so it doesn’t have the same issue.
How much to replace that cap on the high pressure fuel pump while the block is being replaced under warranty?
Shouldn’t cost any labor because you already have it off. Just however much the part costs.
I have question but not about this engine. How is the 2.0L engine in Ford Edge (let say year 2018)? Does it have these kind of problems? Lot of people are saying to get 6 cylinder for Ford Edge, but I just realized that it has water pump inside the engine on timing chain and it can leak fluid inside the engine and create a lot of problems. Which one would you get, 2.0L turbo or 6 cylinder naturally aspirated?
3.5 all day. I love the 3.5s the only issue with them is the water pump but that usually doesn’t go out until 150k+. They last forever
@@FlyingWrenches13 Thanks. So, would it damage the engine when it starts leaking? Essentially, how to know if it is leaking, can you see it on oil cap? Probably the coolant level will be lower, I'm guessing.
Yeah most of the time it leaks out of the weep hole which is outside the engine. Every now and then I see one that leaked inside the engine and contaminated the oil but even then you can usually flush the engine and not have any issues with it.
I have fixed it with a little hole on coolant cap. Coolant goes without pressure, the leaking has stopped. I use one that starts boiling at 138°C, so no problem about no pressure, no need of changing anything, just a hole. 1.5 ecoboost with 80k milles and running good.
Editing this comment: 2 weeks ago my 1.5 ecoboost lost almost all the coolant by the coolant cap. Compression has started to pass from the cilinders to the coolant system. 126.000 km, a total hell, and what is worse here in Spain Ford doesn't want to assume nothing. I'm really disappointed with Ford, I love the Ford feeling on its cars, love Ford designs, and Ford doesn't want me, oh God!
Que pena amigo. Estoy de acuerdo que los Ford son comodos, bonitos, y manejan bien. Creo que si puedes usar mejores empaques para la cabeza que podria resolver el problema. Pues que sucedió??
@@jamesmedina2062 Lamentablemente la solución funcionó unos meses pues la fuga ocurría en frío. Hasta que ha terminado por reventar y en caliente también pasa toda la presión al circuito de refrigeración, es un fallo de diseño que Ford no quiere asumir.
@@felixbgc refrigeracion y el motor estan separados que no? No entiendo. Y pues tu motor necesita reparaciones y no esta bien verdad? Alguien en la compania tiene que responder
@@jamesmedina2062 por el diseño de cilindros flotantes, la refrigeración está separada de las cámaras de combustión por una fina pared, que entre cilindros resulta ser demasiado fina. Ford está cambiando el bloque de motor (la parte de abajo, lo que no es la culata) en coches con menos de 3 años está pagando el coste, pero en el resto pretende que el cliente asuma su fallo de motor. Realmente el resto de fabricantes debería estar agradecido con Ford, porque alguien que experimenta algo tan indecente necesitará otro coche y está claro que no va a ser Ford. Yo perderé 4000$ pero Ford va a perder 400.000$ solamente con la influencia que ya estoy teniendo en familiares, amigos, cientos de alumnos que reciben mis clases. No entiendo esta forma de proceder de Ford, era una oportunidad de quedar como una gran compañía, lo que creo que es, pero está demostrando lo contrario, no merecen los clientes que tienen.
what is the part number that long new block please!!!???
Is the short block replacement motor fix the tsb ???
is it the same EcoBoost 1.5L used on Ford Territory 2021?
How many miles on it?
I believe this one has around 50K on it.
Hey I just found really good deal for 2017 Ford Fusion with 1.5L Eco /56.000 miles on it .
After watching your video it’s kinda scared me to buy it . Do you think should I look for another car or go for it . ?
I’d stay as far away from the 1.5 as possible.
Looking at these engines in the various YT videos, I don't see any cylinder liner? Is it actually in there?
What do you mean by cylinder liners?
Do you know if the 2020 and up 2.0 Ecoboost have the new block design?
I believe they do!
Is it true the 2020 models have the new block already?
Yes sir!
I'm hoping mine goes before the warranty so can I get it replaced. I'm also thinking about trading it in for Toyota rav 4 which would kill me to not drive an American car. I'm very confused.
Do you have an escape or a fusion?
@@FlyingWrenches13 2018 escape 4wd
Yeah those are real prone to going out. I might would consider buying an esp extended warranty through ford to cover that in case it happens.
@@FlyingWrenches13 I have power train 100,000. Do you think I'll be ok?
I would just get rid of it when the extended warranty runs out. Last thing you want is to be stuck with a bill that’s 75 percent of what the car is worth.
How do i know if my block was replaced, i just got my car with 51k miles and took it in with a misfire issue. And was losing coolant
It hasn’t been replaced. The new updated block doesn’t have any coolant intrusion issues.
I have this coolant issue. I am doing the repair at home. Which part number is the updated block?
DS7Z-6009-G is the block number.
DS7Z-6079-D is the updated gasket kit.
Thank you
I heard that the replacment block is redisigned . Old block had a slot between cylinders new one has a hole is that correct.
con rafael that is correct. The new one is redesigned.
Does the 18 fusion 1.5l have this same issue?
@@rickbecerra3913 yes it does. 14-19 Fusion and 17-19 escape.
@@FlyingWrenches13 on the 1.5 or 2.0?
Seems to be a recurring theme with these small Ecoboosts. Budget turbocharged designs rushed out to keep ahead of emissions regulations. It doesn't help that they try to get these engines to temp so fast that they use complicated cooling setups. The HPFP is alright as long as they don't develop leaks that put fuel in the engine oil. Then you have all kinds of problems.
For sure. I just shook my head the first time i seen they put shutters in front of the radiator to block air from passing through until it gets to operating temp. Puts a lot of trust in a tiny actuator.
@@FlyingWrenches13 Its a smart thing and Chevy did it too. My Civic will stay cold in town if it is really cold outside. It will also take OVER 10 minutes to warm up. It needs those shutters.
Where can I find one of these engines for sale and how many hours todo an engine install?
Ford dealer. All depends on wether it’s a short block or long block. Likely 25+ hrs labor either way.
i have a fusion with the 1.5 liter. 134,000 miles and I just started to lose coolant.
Hate to hear it!
I have a 2014 Ford Fusion that blows lots of white smoke out of the back do you think ford will fix it for free because it’s a known issue and there’s currently a class action lawsuit against them for this exact issue? The car has 54k miles.
Call Fords customer service center. They might provide you some assistance.
@@FlyingWrenches13 thank you!
Hopefully people can learn from these videos and stay away from Ford, unless they prefer being broke.
Have a 2013 1,6 ecoboost 120 000 km no problems just bad manifold
Intake?
@@FlyingWrenches13 exhaust gasket was a strange sound when the engine was cold when i got it
Why don’t you show the use block where the problem was??
Hey I have ford fusion 2020 1.5 ecoboost do you think I should extend the warranty or not
2020 model isn’t effected by this problem. It came with updated block already in it.
@@FlyingWrenches13 when did they update it?
@@FlyingWrenches13 do you know what model years it affected
ASMR
What garbage of a vehicle. I'll keep my 03 Grand Marquis with 360,000 miles and all original except for 1 intake manifold, 1 AC pump, and 1 alternator.
I gave up on Ford after they went Ecoboost as their go to new technology. I avoid all turbos. Too much pressure on all aluminum blocks. Guaranteed to fail.
Yeah I agree the longevity isn’t there with the ecoboosts. One plus they do have is they make a ton of power and get pretty good fuel economy.
@@FlyingWrenches13 I will say this. Aluminums come in different alloys and generally it will expand quite a bit. This problem managing the coolant is a serious thing but also a minor thing in a way. Why doesn't Ford use a better head gasket and why doesn't the little passageway between cylinders go all the way from one side to the other??
@@jamesmedina2062 because they’re ford and are broke as fuck so they make a good amount of their cars fail so the customer can keep buying new cars or hope some unfortunate low class income person buys their junk and wants expensive repairs! There’s a reason why ford doesn’t participate in lemans. Because they can’t afford it, but when they do…. and lose! hope they can make it back with these tactics.
@@bourboncat9229 You might be right but thats an awful business model. Why would they not do like Toyota and keep growing?
power needs to get sealed up well, cooling has to work, and fuel and boost need to be adjusted properly. Thats what today's ECU does for you. Sure you can stay in the 1960's technology-wise but why would you if you had new tech to attain better economy?
The 1.5 and the 1.6 liter Ecoboost engines are junk. Don’t buy any Ford with those engines. Also the transverse mounted 3.5, 3.5 Ecoboost, and 3.7 liter V6 engines are junk too because of the timing chain driven water pump and don’t forget how bad the 4.6 and 5.4 liter 3 valve engines were really really bad for cam phasers, timing chains, oil pumps, and camshafts.
3.5 sideways engines are pretty solid other than the water pump which is not really that bad when compared to other makes. 4.6’s didn’t have phasers and honestly is probably the best engine ford has had in the last 20 years. They are pretty much indestructible.
@@FlyingWrenches13 The 2 valve and 4 valve engines didn’t have phasers. All the 3 valve engines except for the 6.8 V10 did have cam phasers. The 2 valve and 4 valve regardless of the displacement were good engines.
does the 2023 and 24 models have the same problem on the Escape?
is the old cylinder head compatible with this new block?