84,000 trouble free miles on my 18 escape with the 1.5. Traded in a 17 Hyundai Tucson 2.0 for it. That ecoboost would put that 2.0 Hyundai to shame any day. Such a snappy little engine. I love that escape.
My dad just bought one of these with approx. 70k miles. Gonna make sure I mention this to him tomorrow before he takes it to the ford dealer to get that recalled transmission bushing part replaced, so they can make sure the seals are alright and coolant wont get in. Would hate to see that thing break on him, he was really lucky to get one at an auctiom for 6300 that was pretty meticulously maintained and serviced regularly. Thanks for making this video!!
On the positive side the coolant into the cylinders keeps the combustion chamber and valves nice and clean which is beneficial for the direct injection turbo engine.
@@FlyingWrenches13 Hello do you know why do I hear like water running on dashboard when AC is on? Around 8 months ago ford had to replace a short block on my 2017 ford fusion se 1.5 ecoboost, I remember I heard like water running on dashboard back then as well and I was told it was because of the coolant .but now I believe I hear it when the ac is on.any idea why? They said they replaced the new version short block.i just pray that it won't be the same problem leading to replace another one.also when they changed the short block the coolant level was almost full and now the level is dropped to exactly where MAX line is.do you know if anyone had a problem again after replacing the new version short block Thank you so much
I can answer your question. I just purchased a 2019 Ford Fusion with 1.5 Ecoboost engine on 6/24/23 with only 27,000 miles. On 8/28/23 I heard gurgling close to my dash and engine light came on. I took car to get diagnostic on it and it had code po 304 which is a misfire in cylinder 4. Upon further inspection technician removed spark plugs and there was coolant in cylinder 4. Now the car needs another engine. Shop pulled up car fax and a Ford dealership in SC replaced engine on 7/2022. Now new engine has same problem. I am still under Ford's power train warranty and Ford dealership service manager told me they are no longer taking engine replacement cases because they are to too far backed up. No one wants to touch it. I've only made one payment on the car and engine is no good.
I have fixed it with a little hole on coolant cap. Coolant goes without pressure, the leaking has stopped. I use one that starts boiling at 138°C, so no problem about no pressure, no need of changing anything, just a hole. 1.5 ecoboost with 80k milles and running good.
At least where I live this problem has been taken care of. We have a 2018 Escape SEL. Bought it with 3400 miles. During the first 7000 miles it leaked half the coolant into cylinder #2 and burned it. Ford replaced the short block assembly and the warranty continues. Fair enough. The thing to take from this is the issue is defective engine blocks, very unlike Ford. Henry Ford was all about durability.
My 1.5L '14 Fusion SE is a champ too. Hoping for the best. Ford is shit about recalls. I'm on the 4th or 5th one, but they drag feet getting me in for the fixes.
Replacing the long block is cheaper than buying a new car. I just had this problem at 62k miles 😫 probably just get a new car but this sucks. Thanks so much for the information very helpful video.
Lucky you! I have a 2018 escape. I had to get a new engine in August (free of charge due to the original recall in 2019) and I just took it in for another engine issue. I’ve had nothing but issues with this car. Not even 50,000 miles on it.
I watched your video at work. Yes at Ford🙂. Got home said babe get your car we going to go trade it in and get you a new bronco. Yes she is very happy. Thanks for the update
I owe you an apology Mason. My 2018 Ford Fusion 1.5 liter piece of $hit had coolant intrusion into the short block and the Ford delearship is now giving me a new engine. Luckily its still under warranty. You were absolutely right.
You were they guy that commented on this video a while back telling me how stupid I was for telling people that these engines have issues and then deleted all of your comments right? Funny how the tables turn.
I don't have one ,I just love your videos. You are try and true. Keep exposing those A/Holes. Shame we spend 5 to 6 years on payments for junk. Keep exposing them.
Replaced many of these 1.5/2.0 blocks at our dealership. Some have come in as low as 9K miles. If we were told right, the 1.5/2.0L engines built after May 2019 are the revised blocks to eliminate this issue. I haven't seen if that's the case because we haven't had any with the supposed revised blocks come in with coolant intrusion, yet. People with the 2.5L Fusion are happy as can be. Many come in with over 150K just for routine maintenance. I love Fords but personally would never own one of these small ecoboost engines. If it's not the block, it's the integrated turbo/manifold that gives out which is another $2300 repair.
As far as I'm aware, the same engine is built into the 2016 to 2018 Ford Focus as well. I just recently thought about buying a Focus with the 1.5L 4-cyl ecoboost engine (182HP) but now decided against it because.. I need something reliable. This is a huge disappointment since I've been always a ford guy and my 2008 Fiesta has been one hell of a reliable machine. Really disappointed in ford there.
I was a dealer tech in 1985 when the 1.8 turbo pontiac sunbird came out and and I told the factory rep putting turbo's on these small engines was not a good idea and he said but GM was trying to raise MPG for the government and the same holds true today no 4cyl turbo for me period.
i have a 2.0 turbo in my 2014 fusion.. not all turbo cars are bad.. has now 148882 miles from new..i am a tech ( classic italian cars )so i do more preventive maintenance than most people here ( also i have the better spanish engine in ,y car, not the american engine )
@@randellgribben9772 yea the 2.0 seems to be a little better than the smaller ones. it is interesting every ford service tech. I have talked to say stay away from all ford turbos.
@@greasemonkeybd there are 2 difff. 2 liter turbo engines.. one from cleveland plant. and the one from spain.. the spanish one is better.. the cleveland engines,, have the water problems one the 1/2 clys.....my engine is from spain... tech freind at senator ford, told me that the spanish 2.0 engines have no issues
Have a '17 model Escape, had to have block replaced at 14.5K. Luckily was under warrenty and Ford had to pay for it. So far, no more major problems. Probably won't buy another Ford.
Man those cars are barely worth the 5500 high end! Tell your subscribers how to really fix the problem….boat ramp and a brick, smoking while pumping gas, contact your buddy that knows a guy, you see where I’m going folks. Lmao. Great video and honesty. FYI insurance itself is fraud. But fraud is apparently a crime ✌🏼
Thank you for the detailed explanation. My 2017 2.0 long block was replaced at 32,000 miles. Didn't have to pay a dime and the dealer was lucky enough to get a long block fairly quickly. The 1.5's were on back-order, so like 6 of them were waiting on short blocks. From what I understand, a long block is alot easier to swap. A short block is kinda a PITA.
@@FlyingWrenches13 I'm a fairly experienced car guy and like to work on my own vehicles. So I knew what signs to look for. First thing I noticed was it started to sip coolant, just a little at first. But by 2 weeks I was getting a rough start for about 4 seconds. Plugged in ForScan and getting the codes for misfire cylinder 2. Knew right away what it was. Went to the dealer with the TSB in hand. Service advisor was great. Pressure tested that night, ordered long block the next day. 2 weeks later I had a new engine. My new engine sticker says " Cleveland Engine Plant, 28-OCT-2019". So I hope I got one of the redesigned engines!
I’m sure you did. Ford wouldn’t have paid to have a not redesigned engine put in under the TSB I wouldn’t think. That’s great you had a good experience at the dealer. A lot of people don’t. It’s also good that your the type of person that can diag and work on your own stuff. It will save you a lot of money in the end. Do you like using for scan? I’ve heard a lot about it from other techs that have used it but I haven’t used it much myself. Guess I need to download it and try it out.
Our 16 has over 160,000 and it's been flawless so far. Changed spark plugs at about 110000. Doing the timing belt and water pump as soon as parts get in. 0$ total repair cost outside of the standard maintenance. Got 93000 miles out of the factory michellins, second set almost gone now.
I just got a letter from Ford for my 2017 Ford Escape for this problem and also a letter for the transmission can slip out of gear while parked. So Ford is going to fix both problems at no charge. Funny this video was two years ago and I'm just received those letters as of July this year.
Bro. awesome video. Subbed. And FYI: Ford has released an extended warranty program for the 1.5L ecoboost. Coverage is now 7 years or 84,000 miles from original purchase date.
I just bought a used 2015 fusion with this engine from a sold as is dealership and now this has happened and I have to replace the engine myself. The question I've been trying to get answered that nobody seems to know is can I replace the 1.5l ecoboost with one of the other models of engine like the 2l or 2.5? I don't wanna spend all this money on the same engine and have the same thing happen.
Got a used one from a used dealer at 84k miles now it has 88k misfire in cylinder #2 white smoke awesome , I have a question why can’t a head gasket fix this problem ?
Question?? I noticed you didn't mention anything about getting it rebuilt ? As one of the options?? Might be the same as getting one from the dealership if there's one available from there
I'm dealing with this right now. I was told i need a new engine my the mechanic, but can't I just change the engine block? I seen the Technical service bulletin and it was say to Change the head gasket and the engine block
The engine block is the same. I haven't read mucht about this issue but there are reports of complete engine failure where cylinder 2 seems to crack. I don't know if it is related to this issue though. Strange thing is that most reports of that engine failure is for cars with an automatic transmission (6F35). The 1.5 Ecoboost 4 cilinder has been used in Europe from 2015 for the mk3 Focus facelift and in the C-Max among others (Fusion/Mondeo). From 2019 onwards the Focus has a 3 cilinder 1.5 Ecoboost. For the 4 cilinder there are however a lot of failures caused by tuning. Most software tuners don't take the torque limits into account.
Have they redesigned the new long block to eliminate The water intrusion problem or is it the same exact motor that came in your car and will have the same problem again and 60 or 100,000 miles
Is there and prevention to this like just changing your head gasket before the problem arrises? Or will coolant just leak into them cylinders whenever it pleases no matter what ya do:(
Hello. I'm going to buy a 2019 Escape. The exact date of production is May 31, 2019. According to Ford information, the problem concerns cars produced until April 8, 2019. Can I be calm or better to let go of the purchase?
If I have this engine in my 2018 Fusion SE, but have yet to have any symptoms from this particular issue, would the way I drive make a difference? Or is it just inevitable??
I was told by the previous owner of my 2016 Fusion 1.5 that the car was taken to a dealer and fixed. How can I tell if the dealer replaced the engine with a short or long block? I assume, like you said, that they put in a short block. If so, does this replacement short block fix the issue long term?
I would call the dealership and ask, if you know what dealership it was taken to. I had the same thing happen, and they only replaced the short block for mine. From what I understand, that's all ford is willing to replace under warranty. The problem is, it's not a long term fix. It gets you another few thousand miles then blows again. I'm in the works with an attorney over it, I'm so fed up with ford and this piece of crap they manufactured. They knew they were putting out bad engines and continued to do so. There's also a class action lawsuit against ford right now over these engines. They have not done right by their customers at all.
Okay so, I have a 2017 Fusion with a 1.5l Ecoboost. I bought it in 2018 with 78k miles on it, and it now has about 133k. I haven't had to put a drop of coolant in it, I take it in for regular maintenance, and i change the oil and filters regularly. am i just dumb lucky?
There was a TSB (technical service bulletin) out on this issue with the 1.5. I own a 2017 Fusion. I got a letter from Ford to have this addressed. There is a belt driven water pump on these engines and there is an auxiliary electric water pump. What this TSB does is wire the electric water pump to continue to run for approximately 3 minutes after engine is shut off/parked car. The idea was that this leak was happening while the engine was still hot and shut off/stopped. This pump continuing to run cools the engine so to avoid a heat sink problem. I had this done while still in the 3/36 B to B warranty at no charge. My Fusion was a leftover that I bought new 2/13/2018. So the engine is still warranted internally till 2/13/2023. I only have about 5000 miles on the car as I am retired and have an F150 I use too. I have not lost any coolant so I don't have this problem "YET" and the TSB kept it at bay??? Or the fact I only have 5000 miles on it and do not use it much???? I will probably trade it in or sell it B 4 2/13/2023. The Customer satisfaction program is 19B37. Good luck.
Broooooo why didn’t you make h to is video last year before I brought my 2016 Ford Fusion 😫😫😫😫 thanks for the information tho earned you my like and I’m subbing now
Is it possible to change my 1.5L escape and convert it to a 2L? I read the 1.5 has a short stroke crankshaft, I don’t know if I can just switch it out and would I have to buy a 2L ecu and other electronics?
I have 2015 fusion eco boost and went to dealership they are charging me 5800 for the new motor swap u said something about long block do I tell them I want the long block I have the paper with estimate saying part number 6009 engine short block so will it work
Have you guys had any issues arise yet with the new 2020 Ford Escape with the 3 cylinder? I know they’re still fairly newer but I just bought one and curious how reliability has been so far.
Haha hey awesome you answered some of my question.. so...I get a used block I get that part number and make sure it's was a rebuild block before a certain date? Or.. how I'll I know where!! Should I get a 1.5l block fromm I don't want to go back down that rabbit whole
I guess I’m confused on what your asking. Your most likely not gonna find a used “updated engine block”. If it was me I would go with a long block from Ford.
The only difference between a long block and a short block is what comes with it. Short block is just the block, rods, pistons. Long block comes with all of that plus new head, new oil pump, oil pan, and cams.
The company I work for has a fleet. We used Escapes from 2014 to current. Now we have an option for the Chevy Equinox. The biggest failure has been transmissions. The 2014 batch had over 50% failure rate of FWD units. Even the 2017 units failed but not nearly as bad. Engines have been mostly reliable. 120k is replacement schedule. If the 1.5 have been failing for us I have near heard much. We did get the 100k PT warranty. Management is pushing to switch to Chevys due to high out of warranty costs of the Escapes. Nothing heard yet on the new 2020 Fords we have.
Yeah the 6F35 in the escapes definitely has its own set of problems. We overhaul those fairly often. The 1.5 wouldn’t have came in the escape until 2017 I think, so that may be why the earlier ones y’all have haven’t had the issues. How are the equinox’s holding up?
This happened about 6 months ago on my 2017 escape 1.5 L. Had white exhaust and check engine for about a week. Then it went away with my oil change. How did it stop? And should I expect this to happen again?
Yes its true.. My 2017 Ford escape 1.5 ecoboost drinks too much coolant...i have to add some every week or so.. i recently noticed a leak on the big hose that wraps around the back of engine to the side of engine near the hose clamp.. it looks like an oily dark substance..not shure what going on there.. it has 111000 miles..
What’s the difference between the long block and the short block replacement. I have this issue and the dealership wants to do a short block replacement. Should I insist on the long block?
If your footing the bill or an extended warranty company is, I would make them do a long block. Unfortunately if it’s still under base warranty ford is only going to pay for the short block. The main difference is that a short block is just the rotating assembly. So basically it’s just the block, crankshaft, rods, and pistons. It doesn’t come with anything else. You have to remove everything such as oil pan, oil pump, cylinder head, water pump, cams, valve cover, and a lot of other things from your current engine and put them onto the new rotating assembly. Where as a long block includes all of those things I just mentioned. Hope that makes a little more sense.
My buddy is a Ford certified technician, and he told me the same thing. Luckily I’m at 69xxx miles and have had no issues. I’ll just coyote swap her if she dies 😂 (yes I’ve seen it… why).
Mason you are a gentleman and a scholar thank you for such a candid and helpful video. I just bought the 2021 Ford Bronco (big bend) rocking a 1.5l 3 cylinder engine… rumor has it that the head gasket issue was fixed in 2021. Do I still have the block issues to look forward to!? If so what can I do to reduce the probability and extend longevity? 10 speed trans in the bronco ok? P.S. I massacred the like button! You the man!
That is the engine. The three different terms that are used is long block being engine block with cylinder head, valve covers, and front cover etc. short block is the engine block only with crank, pistons, and rods. Complete engine is the last term and that is a complete engine with turbo, injectors, and everything. Hope that makes sense.
Hi sir also these eco boost engines are fitted in the f150 trucks as well and they are a heap of crap i don't know why they were designed for ford motor companies in the beginning and i reckon that they knew about this issue but they never cared about it and if you buy a new vehicle with these engines in ford motor companies are very reluctant to spend a lot of time and money to rectify this issue as they are more interested in selling their vehicles regards Tony
The Bronco Sport has the 1.5L three cylinder Ecoboost engine, NOT to be confused with the problematic 1.5L four cylinder EcoBoost engine referenced in the video.
After Ford realized they had a problem they modified the 1.5 after a certain date, so it is the earlier built 1.5 engines that have this issue. If you have the issue they replace the block with the newer improved 1.5 engine See my in depth post at 8-19-2021 above.
Would you help me though the steps of rebuilding the engine with the new short block? My biggest issue is the timing and getting it lined up without the flywheel locking tool since the engine is on a stand.
@@FlyingWrenches13 I have the tools and now the engine is on a stand. Do I have to time it with the flywheel installed? I was hoping I could do without and then torque the crankshaft pulley when it’s back on the car.
@@hidretrofitkit To assemble and time this engine correctly requires use of the crankshaft peg, the cam holders, the cam sprocket holder as well as the crank sensor alignment tool. Torquing the crank pulley bolt is part of the process of timing the engine, so there is no other workaround.
A question I asked which got lost below among the comments and replies: Just to make sure, I have a 2017 eco boost 3 cyl 1.5 escape SE (turbo). Does this problem apply? If not, in order to warn friends, how do I tell which version(s) it does apply? Thanks.
Sorry I somehow missed that question. If it’s a 2017 escape then it’s actually a 4 cylinder engine. They didn’t swap over to the 3 cylinder which is an entirely different engine design until the new body style in 2020. That said, if your block has never been replaced then yes yours unfortunately would fall under the affected vehicles. Not sure on the build dates right off the top of my head but I know it applies to 2014-2019 fusions and 2017-2019 escapes. Hope this helps.
Yep, I went against all my friends' advice. I bought the Escape used, so got the warranty anyway. Now I'm glad. Thanks again. I'll report back when it happens and how it turns out...
I have a question. I have a 2016 ford fusion that has already experienced this issue with coolant leak and damage to engine. I replaced the engine once out of pocket (because Ford didn't include in recent recall) and 5 months later it happened again. Would I be able to drop a 2019 2.5l engine into my 2016 ford fusion ? I want to completely get rid of it but its hard when the car wont drive proper.
The answer is yes but it’s going to take a lot of swapping. Computer would need to be swapped, harnesses, and multiple modules would need to be reprogrammed. You’d be better off to put another 1.5 in it.
@@FlyingWrenches13 thank you! Last quick question. Would you know where I could order one ? Also what should I be asking for/ looking for specifically?
84,000 trouble free miles on my 18 escape with the 1.5. Traded in a 17 Hyundai Tucson 2.0 for it. That ecoboost would put that 2.0 Hyundai to shame any day. Such a snappy little engine. I love that escape.
My dad just bought one of these with approx. 70k miles. Gonna make sure I mention this to him tomorrow before he takes it to the ford dealer to get that recalled transmission bushing part replaced, so they can make sure the seals are alright and coolant wont get in. Would hate to see that thing break on him, he was really lucky to get one at an auctiom for 6300 that was pretty meticulously maintained and serviced regularly. Thanks for making this video!!
The dealership won’t tell you. Check for past codes if your check engine light isn’t on.
On the positive side the coolant into the cylinders keeps the combustion chamber and valves nice and clean which is beneficial for the direct injection turbo engine.
Gotta stay positive haha
That totally ignores what ethylene glycol does to destroy cylinder bores.
@@jacquesblaque7728 I think it was a joke
@@FlyingWrenches13 Hello do you know why do I hear like water running on dashboard when AC is on? Around 8 months ago ford had to replace a short block on my 2017 ford fusion se 1.5 ecoboost, I remember I heard like water running on dashboard back then as well and I was told it was because of the coolant .but now I believe I hear it when the ac is on.any idea why? They said they replaced the new version short block.i just pray that it won't be the same problem leading to replace another one.also when they changed the short block the coolant level was almost full and now the level is dropped to exactly where MAX line is.do you know if anyone had a problem again after replacing the new version short block
Thank you so much
I can answer your question. I just purchased a 2019 Ford Fusion with 1.5 Ecoboost engine on 6/24/23 with only 27,000 miles. On 8/28/23 I heard gurgling close to my dash and engine light came on. I took car to get diagnostic on it and it had code po 304 which is a misfire in cylinder 4. Upon further inspection technician removed spark plugs and there was coolant in cylinder 4. Now the car needs another engine. Shop pulled up car fax and a Ford dealership in SC replaced engine on 7/2022. Now new engine has same problem. I am still under Ford's power train warranty and Ford dealership service manager told me they are no longer taking engine replacement cases because they are to too far backed up. No one wants to touch it. I've only made one payment on the car and engine is no good.
I have fixed it with a little hole on coolant cap. Coolant goes without pressure, the leaking has stopped. I use one that starts boiling at 138°C, so no problem about no pressure, no need of changing anything, just a hole. 1.5 ecoboost with 80k milles and running good.
Never heard of anyone doing that but hey if it works it works.
Im interested in know the hole diamter tou chose?
@@vindicatednews9169 1mm just in the center of the cap.
Can you share exactly what you did and instructions? Doesn’t coolant need pressure?
Had this problem happen to me at 38k miles. Thankfully was saved for the first time by the warranty
Glad to hear warranty covered it!
Same here. My car is current at the dealership going to get a new block. I am sure glad I bought the warranty.
Ended up getting rid of mine kept giving me problems and was running out of warranty.
At least where I live this problem has been taken care of. We have a 2018 Escape SEL. Bought it with 3400 miles. During the first 7000 miles it leaked half the coolant into cylinder #2 and burned it. Ford replaced the short block assembly and the warranty continues. Fair enough. The thing to take from this is the issue is defective engine blocks, very unlike Ford. Henry Ford was all about durability.
Glad to hear yours got fixed!
@@FlyingWrenches13 We are now 10k miles after block replacement so far so good knock wood!
@@FlyingWrenches13hello! Can you give us the part code for the short block? It is so hard to find.
There should be a mandatory recall just like what they did on the dual clutch powershit transmission
Your right. There probably should be but I doubt we will see one.
I don't know how, but I have a 2014 Fusion 1.5 with 250,000 miles on it and it runs fine. Never had an issue with it
My 1.5L '14 Fusion SE is a champ too. Hoping for the best. Ford is shit about recalls. I'm on the 4th or 5th one, but they drag feet getting me in for the fixes.
Same my 2014 ford fusion has been very reliable and it has 110k miles on it I just get worried about this problem.
Replacing the long block is cheaper than buying a new car. I just had this problem at 62k miles 😫 probably just get a new car but this sucks. Thanks so much for the information very helpful video.
Sorry to hear that for the rest of you. 2018 escape 1.5 here with 65,000 miles and not a hiccup one
Lucky you! I have a 2018 escape. I had to get a new engine in August (free of charge due to the original recall in 2019) and I just took it in for another engine issue. I’ve had nothing but issues with this car. Not even 50,000 miles on it.
@@kacieeich1205 how did you get dealer to replace engine and what’s the new problem
2017 113,759 miles and no issues 😂
I watched your video at work. Yes at Ford🙂. Got home said babe get your car we going to go trade it in and get you a new bronco. Yes she is very happy. Thanks for the update
I owe you an apology Mason. My 2018 Ford Fusion 1.5 liter piece of $hit had coolant intrusion into the short block and the Ford delearship is now giving me a new engine. Luckily its still under warranty. You were absolutely right.
You were they guy that commented on this video a while back telling me how stupid I was for telling people that these engines have issues and then deleted all of your comments right? Funny how the tables turn.
I don't have one ,I just love your videos. You are try and true. Keep exposing those A/Holes. Shame we spend 5 to 6 years on payments for junk. Keep exposing them.
Thank you. This was super helpful and confirms that my sons car is trash with $10k still owed 😣
He is 100% right and this just happened to my 2019 Ford Fusion se
what month? Before may ?
Replaced many of these 1.5/2.0 blocks at our dealership. Some have come in as low as 9K miles. If we were told right, the 1.5/2.0L engines built after May 2019 are the revised blocks to eliminate this issue. I haven't seen if that's the case because we haven't had any with the supposed revised blocks come in with coolant intrusion, yet. People with the 2.5L Fusion are happy as can be. Many come in with over 150K just for routine maintenance. I love Fords but personally would never own one of these small ecoboost engines. If it's not the block, it's the integrated turbo/manifold that gives out which is another $2300 repair.
I tell every one I can to get the 2.5 over the Ecoboost. Those engines seem to be bulletproof.
I have a 2018 1.5l eco boost with 53,000 miles and she purrs like a kitten.
If its working good now just sell it and save urself a headache down the road
As far as I'm aware, the same engine is built into the 2016 to 2018 Ford Focus as well. I just recently thought about buying a Focus with the 1.5L 4-cyl ecoboost engine (182HP) but now decided against it because.. I need something reliable. This is a huge disappointment since I've been always a ford guy and my 2008 Fiesta has been one hell of a reliable machine. Really disappointed in ford there.
Looking at the ctlinder de k, I'd say most if not all will need a replacement block.
My dad is having the same problem. Good thing it's a lease
Yeah that’s great! Just take it and get another.
I was a dealer tech in 1985 when the 1.8 turbo pontiac sunbird came out and and I told the factory rep putting turbo's on these small engines was not a good idea and he said but GM was trying to raise MPG for the government and the same holds true today no 4cyl turbo for me period.
Yeah I won’t own one either.
Pass on all turbos. Get a MAGNUSON supercharger.
i have a 2.0 turbo in my 2014 fusion.. not all turbo cars are bad.. has now 148882 miles from new..i am a tech ( classic italian cars )so i do more preventive maintenance than most people here ( also i have the better spanish engine in ,y car, not the american engine )
@@randellgribben9772 yea the 2.0 seems to be a little better than the smaller ones. it is interesting every ford service tech. I have talked to say stay away from all ford turbos.
@@greasemonkeybd there are 2 difff. 2 liter turbo engines.. one from cleveland plant. and the one from spain.. the spanish one is better.. the cleveland engines,, have the water problems one the 1/2 clys.....my engine is from spain... tech freind at senator ford, told me that the spanish 2.0 engines have no issues
Have a '17 model Escape, had to have block replaced at 14.5K. Luckily was under warrenty and Ford had to pay for it. So far, no more major problems. Probably won't buy another Ford.
Man those cars are barely worth the 5500 high end! Tell your subscribers how to really fix the problem….boat ramp and a brick, smoking while pumping gas, contact your buddy that knows a guy, you see where I’m going folks. Lmao. Great video and honesty. FYI insurance itself is fraud. But fraud is apparently a crime ✌🏼
Well I wouldn’t put it that blunt but you got a pony lol
U r such a great tech u will b successful wherever u go. Ford might not like your honesty. This channel will grow like crazy!!
Thank you and I Hope your right!
Thank you for the detailed explanation. My 2017 2.0 long block was replaced at 32,000 miles. Didn't have to pay a dime and the dealer was lucky enough to get a long block fairly quickly. The 1.5's were on back-order, so like 6 of them were waiting on short blocks. From what I understand, a long block is alot easier to swap. A short block is kinda a PITA.
Yeah that is true. A lot more labor has to go into replacing a short block as opposed to a long block. What happened to your 2.0?
@@FlyingWrenches13 I'm a fairly experienced car guy and like to work on my own vehicles. So I knew what signs to look for. First thing I noticed was it started to sip coolant, just a little at first. But by 2 weeks I was getting a rough start for about 4 seconds. Plugged in ForScan and getting the codes for misfire cylinder 2. Knew right away what it was. Went to the dealer with the TSB in hand. Service advisor was great. Pressure tested that night, ordered long block the next day. 2 weeks later I had a new engine. My new engine sticker says " Cleveland Engine Plant, 28-OCT-2019". So I hope I got one of the redesigned engines!
I’m sure you did. Ford wouldn’t have paid to have a not redesigned engine put in under the TSB I wouldn’t think. That’s great you had a good experience at the dealer. A lot of people don’t. It’s also good that your the type of person that can diag and work on your own stuff. It will save you a lot of money in the end. Do you like using for scan? I’ve heard a lot about it from other techs that have used it but I haven’t used it much myself. Guess I need to download it and try it out.
@@escapelover7970 Where is the new engine sticker located?
@@bill40409 Passenger side of the engine
Ive got a 2015 ford fusion with the 1.5 in it. 130,000 miles and no issues with it yet.
Awesome! I hope it keeps doing good for you.
Our 16 has over 160,000 and it's been flawless so far. Changed spark plugs at about 110000. Doing the timing belt and water pump as soon as parts get in. 0$ total repair cost outside of the standard maintenance. Got 93000 miles out of the factory michellins, second set almost gone now.
@@rognio3 did you do the timing belt job? How was it?
@@movingapollo1927 not bad, my local Ford dealer printed me the procedure
@@movingapollo1927 just for clarity. Our 16 1.5 now has over 190,000 and running strong. The timing belt took me about 3 hours of casual work 😁.
The piston crowns look cool
They are interesting looking pistons for sure
I just got a letter from Ford for my 2017 Ford Escape for this problem and also a letter for the transmission can slip out of gear while parked. So Ford is going to fix both problems at no charge. Funny this video was two years ago and I'm just received those letters as of July this year.
I had one this week should be wrapped up Monday morning
Is this the same engine and issues in the 22 bronco sport looking at getting one for the wife I think there a 3 cylinder not a 4
No sir, the new 3 cyl 1.5 is a completely different engine.
What do you think about the 2014 2016 escape? Would you buy a used one from a dealer if they were both under 100k clean title with a 1.6 for 10k?
Are the new ones good? In the new bronco sport for example. What's your opinion on those for reliability?
Haven’t worked on any yet so I’d say that’s a good thing.
Bro. awesome video. Subbed. And FYI: Ford has released an extended warranty program for the 1.5L ecoboost. Coverage is now 7 years or 84,000 miles from original purchase date.
My 2014 has this problem but doesnt qualify for the recall. My vin isn't listed on the recall. $8500 otherwise to fix it.
Hate to hear that. I would get multiple quotes from dealers. $8500 sounds a little high.
I just bought a used 2015 fusion with this engine from a sold as is dealership and now this has happened and I have to replace the engine myself. The question I've been trying to get answered that nobody seems to know is can I replace the 1.5l ecoboost with one of the other models of engine like the 2l or 2.5? I don't wanna spend all this money on the same engine and have the same thing happen.
Got a used one from a used dealer at 84k miles now it has 88k misfire in cylinder #2 white smoke awesome , I have a question why can’t a head gasket fix this problem ?
It won’t fix it because the reason for it leaking is actually the deck surface on the block.
Question?? I noticed you didn't mention anything about getting it rebuilt ? As one of the options?? Might be the same as getting one from the dealership if there's one available from there
I'm dealing with this right now. I was told i need a new engine my the mechanic, but can't I just change the engine block? I seen the Technical service bulletin and it was say to Change the head gasket and the engine block
Mason, do you know how are the revised blocks keeping up? I've got one which received a brand new engine early 2022.
What about 1.5 focus eco boost 150 hp 2014-2018 year. Europe hot hatch…
I think that is the same engine. We don’t have any 1.5 focuses in the US so I’m not for sure.
The engine block is the same. I haven't read mucht about this issue but there are reports of complete engine failure where cylinder 2 seems to crack. I don't know if it is related to this issue though.
Strange thing is that most reports of that engine failure is for cars with an automatic transmission (6F35).
The 1.5 Ecoboost 4 cilinder has been used in Europe from 2015 for the mk3 Focus facelift and in the C-Max among others (Fusion/Mondeo).
From 2019 onwards the Focus has a 3 cilinder 1.5 Ecoboost.
For the 4 cilinder there are however a lot of failures caused by tuning. Most software tuners don't take the torque limits into account.
Have they redesigned the new long block to eliminate The water intrusion problem or is it the same exact motor that came in your car and will have the same problem again and 60 or 100,000 miles
Going through this problem now. My local for dealership I bought my fusion at is saying $9200 to replace the long block…😳😢
Ouch that hurts
Same here, same price up in Canada. Ugh
5k motor 25.5hrs labor
Hi. Will any other automatic transmission bolt onto the earlier model NA 1.6 engine, So i can throw away the crappy dual clutch tranny? Thanks
What about the 1.5L ecoboost engine in the new Ford Escape 2021 , does it has the same problem?
It’s a different engine. 3 cylinder is the new one. The old one that had all the issues was a 4 cylinder.
Does the 2020 Ford Fusion SE with the 1.5 EcoBoost have the same problem?
To use an old diesel & racing trick, can these blocks or heads be o-ringed?
hey bro i got a 2018 ford escape 1.5L quick question how does the starter mount?? i googled n cant find any info thanks
My 2016 escape with the 1.6 was doing the same thing. Had long block replaced under warrenty. Is this same problem?
Yeah the 1.5, 2.0, and 1.6 all have the same issue. The 1.5 is by far the worst though!
Did this issue continue into the 2020 Escapes with the 1.5 3cyl? My mother is considering one and I want to make sure she isn't making a big mistake
Is there and prevention to this like just changing your head gasket before the problem arrises? Or will coolant just leak into them cylinders whenever it pleases
no matter what ya do:(
Hello. I'm going to buy a 2019 Escape. The exact date of production is May 31, 2019. According to Ford information, the problem concerns cars produced until April 8, 2019. Can I be calm or better to let go of the purchase?
You should be okay with that build date.
If I have this engine in my 2018 Fusion SE, but have yet to have any symptoms from this particular issue, would the way I drive make a difference? Or is it just inevitable??
Bought the 2021 bronco sport 1.5L eco boost super charged. Would it replicate this issue?
No it’s a different 1.5 in the bronco.
The dealer replaced my engine in a 2019 Escape that was only 11 months old and only 9000 miles. Been fine since.
I was told by the previous owner of my 2016 Fusion 1.5 that the car was taken to a dealer and fixed. How can I tell if the dealer replaced the engine with a short or long block? I assume, like you said, that they put in a short block. If so, does this replacement short block fix the issue long term?
I would call the dealership and ask, if you know what dealership it was taken to. I had the same thing happen, and they only replaced the short block for mine. From what I understand, that's all ford is willing to replace under warranty. The problem is, it's not a long term fix. It gets you another few thousand miles then blows again. I'm in the works with an attorney over it, I'm so fed up with ford and this piece of crap they manufactured. They knew they were putting out bad engines and continued to do so. There's also a class action lawsuit against ford right now over these engines. They have not done right by their customers at all.
Is this the same engine thats in the 2020 1.5 turbo / petrol Focus in the UK?
Okay so, I have a 2017 Fusion with a 1.5l Ecoboost. I bought it in 2018 with 78k miles on it, and it now has about 133k. I haven't had to put a drop of coolant in it, I take it in for regular maintenance, and i change the oil and filters regularly. am i just dumb lucky?
What about focus? I’m on about to buy one. Please advise
Are those blocks stamped with a serial number?
There was a TSB (technical service bulletin) out on this issue with the 1.5. I own a 2017 Fusion. I got a letter from Ford to have this addressed. There is a belt driven water pump on these engines and there is an auxiliary electric water pump. What this TSB does is wire the electric water pump to continue to run for approximately 3 minutes after engine is shut off/parked car. The idea was that this leak was happening while the engine was still hot and shut off/stopped. This pump continuing to run cools the engine so to avoid a heat sink problem. I had this done while still in the 3/36 B to B warranty at no charge. My Fusion was a leftover that I bought new 2/13/2018. So the engine is still warranted internally till 2/13/2023. I only have about 5000 miles on the car as I am retired and have an F150 I use too. I have not lost any coolant so I don't have this problem "YET" and the TSB kept it at bay??? Or the fact I only have 5000 miles on it and do not use it much????
I will probably trade it in or sell it B 4 2/13/2023. The Customer satisfaction program is 19B37. Good luck.
Question : once this issue fixed is this car reliable?
Broooooo why didn’t you make h to is video last year before I brought my 2016 Ford Fusion 😫😫😫😫 thanks for the information tho earned you my like and I’m subbing now
Thanks man! I wish I would have started making these videos 8 years ago when I started at a dealer.
Is it possible to change my 1.5L escape and convert it to a 2L? I read the 1.5 has a short stroke crankshaft, I don’t know if I can just switch it out and would I have to buy a 2L ecu and other electronics?
I have 2015 fusion eco boost and went to dealership they are charging me 5800 for the new motor swap u said something about long block do I tell them I want the long block I have the paper with estimate saying part number 6009 engine short block so will it work
Mine is a 1.6 eco boost. Is that the same issues?
So I'm screwed basically? I haven't noticed anything but have the engine in my 2016 ford fusion.
Not necessarily. If you have low mileage it could still be a while before this happens.
@@FlyingWrenches13 Alright cool. Thanks
Have you guys had any issues arise yet with the new 2020 Ford Escape with the 3 cylinder? I know they’re still fairly newer but I just bought one and curious how reliability has been so far.
I actually haven’t had to work on one yet.
Haha hey awesome you answered some of my question.. so...I get a used block I get that part number and make sure it's was a rebuild block before a certain date? Or.. how I'll I know where!! Should I get a 1.5l block fromm I don't want to go back down that rabbit whole
I guess I’m confused on what your asking. Your most likely not gonna find a used “updated engine block”. If it was me I would go with a long block from Ford.
@@FlyingWrenches13 sorry for the confusion. And oh ok I wasn't sure if thr long block would work for the 1.5 I thought those where for the 2.0
The only difference between a long block and a short block is what comes with it. Short block is just the block, rods, pistons. Long block comes with all of that plus new head, new oil pump, oil pan, and cams.
@@FlyingWrenches13 thank you so much for the knowledge
I’ve heard you can use a coolant additive that will seal a small head gasket leak.
remeber i heard about it, with the 2.3 focus rs to when launched
Tons of them in the Lemon Law Lot down in Atlanta. Fixed but nobody trusts them
Thank god our Escape has the 2.0 Ecoboost.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but it actually has the same problem. 2.0 and 1.5 both have this same issue.
I have the same one and mine failed. Trade the car in. It’s awful. 2016 fusion here
does this affect the bronco eco sport 1.5?
It doesn’t affect any 1.5 engine after 2019.
How much does this new block cost and who is the vendor?
The company I work for has a fleet. We used Escapes from 2014 to current. Now we have an option for the Chevy Equinox. The biggest failure has been transmissions. The 2014 batch had over 50% failure rate of FWD units. Even the 2017 units failed but not nearly as bad. Engines have been mostly reliable. 120k is replacement schedule. If the 1.5 have been failing for us I have near heard much. We did get the 100k PT warranty. Management is pushing to switch to Chevys due to high out of warranty costs of the Escapes. Nothing heard yet on the new 2020 Fords we have.
Yeah the 6F35 in the escapes definitely has its own set of problems. We overhaul those fairly often. The 1.5 wouldn’t have came in the escape until 2017 I think, so that may be why the earlier ones y’all have haven’t had the issues. How are the equinox’s holding up?
@Jenniolms Your about as funny as Steven Cobert...Not
This happened about 6 months ago on my 2017 escape 1.5 L. Had white exhaust and check engine for about a week. Then it went away with my oil change. How did it stop? And should I expect this to happen again?
Ummm it probably ran out of coolant to make smoke. So yeah its probably going to start overheating.
It cannot be repaired, is it necessary to change the block?
Yes its true.. My 2017 Ford escape 1.5 ecoboost drinks too much coolant...i have to add some every week or so.. i recently noticed a leak on the big hose that wraps around the back of engine to the side of engine near the hose clamp.. it looks like an oily dark substance..not shure what going on there.. it has 111000 miles..
Where can I get that new block. I called the dealership they didn't know what i was talking about
What’s the difference between the long block and the short block replacement. I have this issue and the dealership wants to do a short block replacement. Should I insist on the long block?
If your footing the bill or an extended warranty company is, I would make them do a long block. Unfortunately if it’s still under base warranty ford is only going to pay for the short block. The main difference is that a short block is just the rotating assembly. So basically it’s just the block, crankshaft, rods, and pistons. It doesn’t come with anything else. You have to remove everything such as oil pan, oil pump, cylinder head, water pump, cams, valve cover, and a lot of other things from your current engine and put them onto the new rotating assembly. Where as a long block includes all of those things I just mentioned. Hope that makes a little more sense.
I just bought my first new car. A 2020 escape with the 1.5L I3. Hopefully that doesn’t have these issues.
No that is a different engine than the one in this video.
@@FlyingWrenches13 yeah I guess I should have worded that differently. I hope the 3 cylinders don’t develop these issues.
It shouldn’t. I haven’t seen a whole lot of issues out of them so far.
My buddy is a Ford certified technician, and he told me the same thing. Luckily I’m at 69xxx miles and have had no issues. I’ll just coyote swap her if she dies 😂 (yes I’ve seen it… why).
Now that would make for an interesting ride. Coyote swapped Ford Fusion.
@@FlyingWrenches13 TH-cam it man…. Someone actually took the time and made that happen
Is this issue the same for the 2020 redesigned escape or was the engine updated too ?
How about the 1 liter 3 cylinder intrusion into the transaxle
Mason you are a gentleman and a scholar thank you for such a candid and helpful video.
I just bought the 2021 Ford Bronco (big bend) rocking a 1.5l 3 cylinder engine… rumor has it that the head gasket issue was fixed in 2021.
Do I still have the block issues to look forward to!?
If so what can I do to reduce the probability and extend longevity?
10 speed trans in the bronco ok?
P.S. I massacred the like button! You the man!
Awesome video my guy
Is this the same engine in a 2013 Ford Escape. Ours is a 1.5 turbo, or is it just in the late model cars
Only 2017-2019 escapes and 2014-2019 fusions
Great video and well explained. So it doesn't affect the 2013 1.5 ford fusion engine?
I don’t think they put a 1.5 in the 13 models
Long block? Is that apart of the engine or actually a new engine
That is the engine. The three different terms that are used is long block being engine block with cylinder head, valve covers, and front cover etc. short block is the engine block only with crank, pistons, and rods. Complete engine is the last term and that is a complete engine with turbo, injectors, and everything. Hope that makes sense.
Hi sir also these eco boost engines are fitted in the f150 trucks as well and they are a heap of crap i don't know why they were designed for ford motor companies in the beginning and i reckon that they knew about this issue but they never cared about it and if you buy a new vehicle with these engines in ford motor companies are very reluctant to spend a lot of time and money to rectify this issue as they are more interested in selling their vehicles regards Tony
Well crap I just purchased 2018 for escape with the with the 1.5 eco boost but I'm not haven problems right now what do I do in the mean time
Sell it
@@FlyingWrenches13 I currently owe 33,000 on it but the place we're I bought it has Guaranteed Engines for life
How reliable is the replacement long block?
Sounds like the new Bronco Sport has this motor. Hopefully the Bronco has the newer revision block without the coolant slots.
The Bronco Sport has the 1.5L three cylinder Ecoboost engine, NOT to be confused with the problematic 1.5L four cylinder EcoBoost engine referenced in the video.
After Ford realized they had a problem they modified the 1.5 after a certain date, so it is the earlier built 1.5 engines that have this issue. If you have the issue they replace the block with the newer improved 1.5 engine See my in depth post at 8-19-2021 above.
Have one haven’t had a problem with it luckily
Would you help me though the steps of rebuilding the engine with the new short block? My biggest issue is the timing and getting it lined up without the flywheel locking tool since the engine is on a stand.
You can’t do it without the tools for timing it. My best advice would be to purchase the tools if your gonna do it yourself.
@@FlyingWrenches13 I have the tools and now the engine is on a stand. Do I have to time it with the flywheel installed? I was hoping I could do without and then torque the crankshaft pulley when it’s back on the car.
@@hidretrofitkit To assemble and time this engine correctly requires use of the crankshaft peg, the cam holders, the cam sprocket holder as well as the crank sensor alignment tool. Torquing the crank pulley bolt is part of the process of timing the engine, so there is no other workaround.
Can this engine be swapped with a sport engine or a different engine with more power?
Anything is possible but it would be a very difficult job.
A question I asked which got lost below among the comments and replies: Just to make sure, I have a 2017 eco boost 3 cyl 1.5 escape SE (turbo). Does this problem apply? If not, in order to warn friends, how do I tell which version(s) it does apply? Thanks.
Sorry I somehow missed that question. If it’s a 2017 escape then it’s actually a 4 cylinder engine. They didn’t swap over to the 3 cylinder which is an entirely different engine design until the new body style in 2020. That said, if your block has never been replaced then yes yours unfortunately would fall under the affected vehicles. Not sure on the build dates right off the top of my head but I know it applies to 2014-2019 fusions and 2017-2019 escapes. Hope this helps.
@@FlyingWrenches13 Well, at least it's under extended warranty.
Yep, I went against all my friends' advice. I bought the Escape used, so got the warranty anyway. Now I'm glad. Thanks again.
I'll report back when it happens and how it turns out...
For sure let me know!
I have a question. I have a 2016 ford fusion that has already experienced this issue with coolant leak and damage to engine. I replaced the engine once out of pocket (because Ford didn't include in recent recall) and 5 months later it happened again. Would I be able to drop a 2019 2.5l engine into my 2016 ford fusion ? I want to completely get rid of it but its hard when the car wont drive proper.
The answer is yes but it’s going to take a lot of swapping. Computer would need to be swapped, harnesses, and multiple modules would need to be reprogrammed. You’d be better off to put another 1.5 in it.
@@FlyingWrenches13 but wouldn't I have the same issue with the coolant leak ?
Not if you get the updated engine block. They fixed this issue on the newer engines.
@@FlyingWrenches13 thank you! Last quick question. Would you know where I could order one ? Also what should I be asking for/ looking for specifically?
Would a 2020 model year fusion that was manufactured on 9/10/2019 still have this issue?
June 10 2019 build date was the cutoff.
Does it include focus 1.5 ecoboost 180hp 2016 6at?
Thanks for the info
You get your Like, and you get your Subscribe. Great video. Even if the news is bad.
Thanks! I really appreciate it!