This hurts me. I'm a super small streamer, just reached affiliate not long ago, so when I get raids, it really means something to me and I'm always so happy to see new viewers and meet new people. I'm still learning -- is there any way at all to get rid of prerolls? I know I can opt out of affiliate, I just don't know if I can afford that, given that I do get steady (albeit minimal) subs.
@@ShmaylaRay as far as I know, if you do the minimum of 3 minutes ad break per hour, you can disable prerolls. I might be wrong about that though, I'd check
@@rayburks7059 no, there’s another streaming platform named KICK which I’m pretty sure blew up because of Adin taking like a $150,000 deal. It could be an actual competitor in streaming services but from what I’ve heard as of right now the tos is fucked.
Twitch have been losing money every year and have never been profitable. if twitch can't achieve this being the market leader i can't see any of these other sites doing so and taking over.
What a lot of people forget is that a company has the power to hire whole separate contract crews that can perform various tasks that the company needs. Which maybe is the cheaper route instead of paying payroll for in house employees, makes business sense.
reminds me of my own countries goverment sector, its a very small country allready and we have like 300+ people in there doing nothing but pressing their butthole to see if its poop or fart. easily a couple of mil wasted yearly off of the peoples tax, thats like a few euros each year off of everyone, but not everyone works so more like 200 each year gets removed for essentialy nothing. the people in there are less compotent than me even (why tf would you want to make peace with russia if that creates such a hit to the reputation of every other country, thats like trading +1 point for -25 points in every other faction that pretty much have to help you when it comes to war)
@@thedarthsidious66 its the cheaper route short term, but constant turnover can easily lead to a lot of lost expertise and waste which is harder to quantify but very apparent in poor software development practices or when services decrease in quality due to exodus of skilled workers
And then Twitch said: "You guys have been working your asses off for years to get where you are, so as a reward we're giving ourselves a raise and taking it out of your paychecks."
It's funny you think people at Twitch gets paid well when they're part of Amazon, and they follow Amazon pay bands, and Amazon pays are notoriously low in the tech industry.
Honestly. Watching the world burn is truly fascinating. Even more fascinating how people are under some "Infinite Tsukoyomi" and embrace this lunacy. So let me get this right. I do the work. And you get the big denaros? LOL. Anyone else wanna join me in taking up a trade and leave corporates to implode?
It's actually so funny, the moment youtube ends up getting better chatting tools and different chat extentions to make chatters participate in the stream, twitch is going loose SO much more people
I hated how Twitch went from creating one of the most unique and accomodating for both streamer and viewers, to constantly making frustrating braindead decisions. It's so baffling how them doing nothing would be a better decision than what they are doing now.
Its what happens when things become more corporate. They don't want to earn the same amount every year, there HAS to be increase in revenue year over year. Its literally greed making these decisions, they could sit on their laurels forever but that isn't gonna buy the CEO their new yacht at the end of the tax year. Governments do this all the time - they could cut costs in unneeded areas but its just easier to hike up the taxes to cover the costs.
That’s what monopolies/corporations do. They sold out, and now WE’RE all fucked. That 20% extra cut from creators? That’s not going to their employees. That’s not going to better the platform. That’s the executive’s pay raise and sell out to the shareholders
I love it when I pay $10 a month to support one of my favourite streamer and also to avoid getting ads while watching the stream just to get three ads while watching the stream. Thank you Twitch you truly are one of the greatest streaming platforms
They've done it. They've cracked the code. They're geniuses for bringing the thing to streaming that made many people ditch traditional TV in favor of streaming in the first place. Phenomenal job. Everyone who was in on that decision deserves a free rimmy and some champagne.
@@Cara.314 nope not capitalism it’s called the same companies that own tv with commercials owns the streaming platforms there is still tons of room in capitalism for a company that cares about there viewers and then wen they get big dont sell out TH-cam was good sold to googl.e twitch was good sold to Amazon I can keep going the original companies were great then they sold to the people that owns the commercial strategy but look at Netflix can’t stand some of the movies and the way they ruin shows but zero commercials it can be done
I rarely go there but then I see someone I might watch and when I click on them as they are live, it presents an ad and hides the streamer's info. Like, I literally can't even click on the streamer's profile or follow them because the ad takes the entire screen and removes the follow button and their profile from the bottom. So stupid.
@@Quesoquantum honeslty my area with Twitch is running very thin right now. I go to twitch so I can record my playthroughs and download them to go on TH-cam. My recent stream I had multiple areas where the audio was muted and I successfully appealed it. What does Twitch do? They remove the red muted bars but when I played it back there were still areas that were muted. I was banging on my laptop asking why the areas were still muted. I'm honestly running out of patience, and I hope that I can find a way to record elsewhere because Twitch is poo! Also, try being frustrated on Twitch while being on the autism spectrum
Being a streamer on twitch has to be one of the scariest things because you have people that will travel thousands of miles for you and a company that won’t
I work as an engineer at AWS. I don't work at Twitch, so take this with a grain of salt, but it seems that Amazon runs their engineering teams similarly across the board. A large part of what goes into promotions is how much "innovation" you can bring. This means that you are incentivized as an employee to push for change, even where it isn't really needed. The result of this is a lot of constant changes that are often more annoying than they are helpful. I imagine that this is similar to how Twitch operates: a bunch of engineers and upper management that may or may not watch streams trying to find the next big innovation that will catapult their careers.
AWS gang :) aaaand sorta agreed, but I think that’s an over generalization. Idk, Charlie’s roasting them over Reactions and Super Chats or whatever, but that’s bias for action. Try out a new feature, and if it doesn’t get much traction, take it out. It’s not that big of a deal. The features/technology of twitch are fine, it’s just the money decisions being made by the suits that ruin everything
Youre so right about people leaving a stream because of preroll ads. I cant count the amount of times ive left a new stream because i didnt feel like sitting through the ads.
The biggest problem is that twitch is aware of the negative feedback but still choose to ignore it and do only the things that benefit them and not the viewers or streamers Edit: thanks for the likes👌
In the minds of inexplicably braindead executives, if your employees and customers will both hate something with a passion and it will ruin their daily experience of your service, you should 100% do it, because money. Much like how it's been proven that long-term profits are harmed by making employees work sick, but no one cares, because net losses don't matter, only short term profits. They think that if you say in the media, "everyone loves this," the world is stupid enough to believe and accept it and anyone who disagrees will tell themselves they're the exception. It's maddening. The gap between one's Wisdom and Intelligence scores has never been wider.
I mean, why would they do anything else? They aren't in it to make a good streaming platform, they're in it to make money. Once again, we see the office with capitalism highlighted - people are too concerned with making money to do their damn job
@@WynneL Lol both INT and WIS are dump stats with these companies. If anything it's CHA out the wazoo, and not even their own Charisma, but that of their streamers, actors, brands and IPs, etc. "Disney can't be evil cause I like Star Wars" etc. is enough of a self-brainwash that these companies don't even have to try, really. You don't have to react to the pendulum of public opinion any faster than your next episode of their favorite show comes out. What'll they do, stop watching? Dopamine is a helluva drug... no matter how you serve it.
Its crazy how they still don't understand that sure you'll make a lot of money at first but when all of your workers and people who give them money leaves, these executives will be immediately cut out of money entirely. If they just hadn't changed anything, they'd make more in the long run. So brain dead.
Honestly you hit the nail on the head when you mentioned pre roll ads, I literally don't watch random streamers if I don't know what they're doing already because I don't wanna sit through the ads to watch for 30 seconds and be like "Na, I don't like this."
It's a double-edged sword since you can: 1: run midroll ads to turn off prerolls 2: have preroll ads and turn off midrolls 3: do both because you're a cunt Source: I stream and shamelessly plug whenever providing information
Do you ever get 7 in a row? I get that lot on some channels. Then when I go to change the resolution to a higher one, It'll replay the same 7 ads AGAIN! So frustrating.
This is hilariously timed, I never really used Twitch in the past. And just yesterday I had a random desire to watch someone stream. I dusted off my password, logged in, and enjoyed a stream for about 10 minutes.. then got hit with 4 minutes worth of ads. At which point I was like "Ahh yeah, Twitch sucks" and I stopped watching. Jumped on TH-cam this morning to all these Twitch news videos.
There's just something about watching it live, with your favorite streamer & community. Yeah, the ads can be bad initially, but I grew up on basic television in the 90s-2010s which make the twitch ads look like a sneeze. Not only that, the ads are necessary for the company and i'm consuming a FREE service, so if I have to watch a few ads every 30min-hour, it's an easy trade. I understand you may not want that trade off, but the main issue for most isn't the ads themselves, but the way in which Twitch is conducting their business as a whole, especially the timing with the ads (putting in the beginning, like, wtf... 🤦🏽♂️)
@@PuddingXXL Oh, I guess the streamer may be able to set them for better or worse. I watch some big streamers as well, and I get a FAT string of ads clicking on the stream, maybe a side ad here or there, and then 1 every 30min/hour for like 30 seconds.
@@DefeatLust Makes sense. Honestly it's not just twitch but TH-cam as well. Actually made me buy premium. I'm shocked how many baseline features are locked behind premium. Especially when it comes to mobile devices. Being able to lock your phone screen and still hear the video should be a base feature imo. Downloading videos I can understand putting them behind the paywall but damn I feel kind of bad to give TH-cam my money since it means their incentives work.
saw a women with big boobs e dating on twitch.... 90 % of the comments where removed us they wanted to fuck her lmao. thats what twitch has become... if u say there is 2 genders u get destroyed
I've noticed this more with large scale companies. They'll roll out the worst possible change that everyone hates with some variation of "we did this because of some vague plan in the future". All they do is make a change that sucks and justify it with actual nothingness.
It's all about not spooking the investors. Every action is done with "Guys, we promise we have a plan... no, seriously, we have a plan, just trust us and hang in there." I can't tell which is more pathetic, government regulators being slaves to corporations, or corporations being slaves to wall street. The customer is the product and going public is how you kill your humanity.
Local government where I live does the same thing. They proposed reducing the highway speed between four towns from 100km/h (62mp/h) to 80km/h (50mp/h). This is a ruralish area, the roads are almost completely straight with a few gentle bends at points. When asked for feedback, they got an overwhelmingly negative response. There was absolutely no point to doing it. But then they did it anyway. And there's so many examples of this. The small town I live needed more space for retail development. They build a massive fuck off "town square" that no one ever uses because it's completely worthless. And they didn't even finish that job completely and there's a massive pit of rubble next to it 6 years later. Oh and our "federal" government does the same thing. Propose stuff that NO ONE asked for or supports and then implement it anyway.
Maybe its to hide a slightly less worse change in the future like "fine we wont do this awful thing so we are going to change it to this bad thing be happy with it"
Charlie uses basic transitions, has no overt editing, speaks in a monotone for the most part, and still keeps my attention for the entire video. Truly impressive.
I hate fast editing during videos of people talking. It works fine in a music video, but not when you're just talking to the camera. A cut every word is the worst.
THIS right here is why Charlie is the best content creator there is. Dude shits on TH-cam, shits on Twitch, doesn't care at all. He never shies away from telling ANYONE how it is and for that, I salute you
Twitch will only do something good if they think they are in danger, and the only way they can be in danger is if their streamers start leaving to other platforms.
Which won’t happen soon since Twitch made sure to lock down their top streamers under contracts to avoid them leaving like when Microsoft was pulling streamers for their discontinued service
@@SirDubbs This was changed partners are able to stream on multiple platforms now. Exclusive contracts aren't really a thing for twitch anymore even among their top creators the vast majority of them can leave whenever they want with no repercussion. The only reason they stay is because the only viable alternative is youtube which is inherently worse due to not having a truly dedicated steaming section and proper chatbox. I imagine this changes in the next 5 years though and twitch starts to decline rapidly.
TH-cam will eventually take over. I've been watching twitch for a couple years now and wow it's done nothing but make disappointment after disappointment. You already get 8 ads in a stream with no more than 5k views. TH-cam is on its way up even more as expected, was probably just waiting for twitch to do some incredibly dumb shit once again so they could cop half their fan base 😂 With no contracts as well... Yikes. Not only that but kick is going to last about a year or two if that before they get hit with lawsuit after lawsuit and have to shut down due to no TOS which means TH-cam it is..
@Vic This right here. I see so many streamers complaining and whining about Twitch only to see them streaming on twitch. If they want change then they have to leave the platform otherwise Twitch wont change.
Which won't happen bcs 90% of the big Streamers are self centered greedy lazy hypocritical dummy dum dum heads who will do what they always did, which is complaining like a toddler who doesn't get his car, stating maybe even in all honesty that they don't like what some of the consequences of clearly predatory decisions from the company they are currently supporting to an extent that the company can follow through with said decisions mean for their viewers and smaller content creators, getting some moral high ground so viewers have it easier doing some mental gymnastics mentally separating the streamer from the platform where they then decide to take the wise action of doing absolutely nothing bcs doing something would take some effort and could potentially mean less gains, which concepts they normally both already banished to the shadow realm from their own little privileged world, shitting out some random ass reaction videos which are mostly highly predatory and damage the platform over all, in ways i gladly discuss if anyone wonders but i already wrote an bible exert. (and theres more) If anyone asks themselves what they could do, i would argue someone like the big moist man, could easily get some of the top content creators to fuck of the platform for a month in a form of unified protest against yucky decisions maybe even making some sort of group project on other platforms which as you already realized would make twitch have an, as the not so young kids anymore like to say "major bruh moment". Stay hydrated my friend and anyone reading this, treat yourself with some nuggets and remember Epstein absolutely 100% killed himself.
7:35 Twitch won't implement skippable ads because the bounce rate of their back-to-back ads is so high. Unlike TH-cam where it's pretty so-so skip rate, people on Twitch would skip the ad as soon as they could in like the 95th percentile of cases. As an advertiser, it makes the value of skippable ads on Twitch virtually worthless.
I remember the days when TH-cam was a nightmare and I looked at Twitch as the platform that was doing it right. Never thought would see the day that Twitch is just doing it all wrong. Had so much promise…even the VOD feature and premieres on Twitch was at one point promising.
Like youtube is any better. They removed the dislikes count, so many other youtubers including me are having trouble with the copyright system. It will only get worse.
13:12 I'm so glad this is being noticed. I was laid off in February after working as a developer for 5 years, but everything in the news is claiming unemployment is at an all-time low and that everyone is hiring. Being in the tech industry right now is a little scary with how scarce opportunity is
@@ryanw1511 it seems that way, but in reality it's just the corporations cleaning up the overstock of employees and seeing how much cutting they can do until things start falling apart..
@@ryanw1511 Nah during the lock downs/pandemic there was a massive surge of monetary injection into the system to prevent a complete economic collapse. This combined with hundreds of millions of people sitting at home led to a massive increase in demand for IT/online entertainment stuff which led to massive over investments into those sectors. Now the opposite is happening: the lock downs are over and the central banks are tightening the money supply rather than increasing it. No more cheap money means companies are losing a ton of value, jobs have to be cut and things are scaled down again. Even banks are starting to buckle under the pressure (see SVB collapse, Credit Suisse buy-in) as their investments lose value due to the increase in the interests rates.
People are always gonna say everyone's hiring. Doing manufacturing myself man, my area pays dogshit itself. Now I do food production instead, $30/hr capout rate as a newbie (paid by quota) with room for increase. People shit on a lot of production jobs, but the one's from these legit companies with real managers in place at least: 1. Take care of you by having a not shit environment and 2. Pay more than most entry levels or even a bit further than, degree jobs. My manufacturing mind can wait until I move, because vast majority of my state underpays for that position. I wish you the best and getting another go at your career with an even better pay than you had.
It actually makes me sad. I remember like 2014 first discovering twitch and loving it. Growing up falling asleep to streams and eventually starting to stream myself. Now to see that twitch will inevitably disappear someday because they’re so STUPID it makes me sad. I hope all streamers are able to transition in order to support their families. Heartbreaking
Thing is, twitch feels like it has a monopoly on the streaming market.. I dont see it going away anytime soon. But gosh do I miss old twitch, it was just so... Individual? Idk
@@ireallyreallyreallylikethisimg we need a decentralized streaming platform, where the profits from viewers and streamers is shared amongst the community, and not venture capitalists, or shareholders. Unfortunately twitch blew up too quick, and greed allowed them to essentially gamify the gaming industry through exploiting streamers
@@dunkdamonk but the problem is server infrastructure who will host all this content flowing through, decentralised system mean everyone is sharing but in most if not all cases only like 1% of the people do any form of tangible hosting of stuff majority of them dont host or share any burden. if you have ever used torrent i am pretty sure you have seen the disparity between a seeder and leech, also decentralised stuff is not the most reliable when it comes to stability. every method has its own caveat
One of the worst things about pre-rolls is that my internet can get pretty spotty while watching twitch and freeze so I have to refresh the page quite a lot. And every. Single. Time. I get another series of pre-rolls… it makes watching even close friends that you want to support hard.
I just hope Twitch never realizes that their VoD section is free of anything bad. No adds, rewatchable at any time and you can skip the boring/spammy parts of the stream.
@@CrizzyEyes yeah you can only keep vods for 2 weeks, by which you would need to upload it elsewhere before twitch deletes it. clips last forever though
@@jaxpositionle8427 yes vods have adds, but the streamer can turn them off, and there is no foced adds. Also addblocker works for every add on the vods, but it doesnt work for 100% of the adds live. For example i dont remember the last time i got an add on a Kriparrian VoD, maybe never, while entering live gets me several just for starting to watch and several every half an hour or so.
Especially when crime rate been going down the only crime that gone up is hate crime because of shithead like Trump and Matt Walsh encouraging it but their not talking about that much and then asking is it's a hate when it actually is
The irony is, Twitch and streaming is still pretty small overall in terms of viewership, but instead of investing in marketing and getting people to migrate from watching vods on TH-cam, they're giving their already small userbase a reason to watch elsewhere.
People who watch vods probably watch them because streams in general are hours long with small great moments. Either that or they're not the same time zone
@Elijah Buenafe for me, it's the timing of streams. I'm in the UK and lots of US streamers don't start until late into the evening. I have work, so I can't stay up until 2am watching a livestream
exactly. it's such a shame. i *want* youtube to have a decent competitor, that's a good thing. but twitch is shooting itself in the foot. it needs to be focused on (sustainable) growth.
3:49 as a small streamer, see that viewers join but because of unskippable ads, they usually disappear before that unskippable ad time ends. Even from a viewer standpoint, whenever I click on new streamers and get ads, I immediately click out and watch something else.
I'm convinced now that even if TH-cam and Twitch had competition it wouldn't make anything better because that competition would eventually be bought out by companies that will run them into the ground too.
@@Tupadre97 EXACTLY. They're counting on their monopoly status to just keep trying to tempt each other to squeeze more and more pennies out of both their streamers and their viewers.
I discovered the world of twitch about 4 years ago, I always felt out of place as someone who recently joined. Just about everything they have done since I have been on their seems to hurt the content creators. It is impossible to browse to start with and with the pre roll ads I gave up looking for creators. I even left the streamers I had watched because I would get 10 ads in a row causing me to miss content. Coincidently important parts. At this time I’ve completely left the website… I see no reason to watch content there over TH-cam. 🤷🏻♂️
VODs on TH-cam baybeeeeeeee In all seriousness same I watch uploaded VODs on TH-cam which can limit your watching because some streamers don't even do that. And if it's something copy written or unable to be uploaded since twitch basically no longer allows you to keep your VODs that stream is gone.
You know 90% of the time it's the creator running the ads right? I can't remember the exact timings but twitch auto runs one set of ads every 40 or 60 minutes or something. Certain bigger creators I watched were running ads every round or a game or ten minutes etc because they make so much money from them.
@@FruitsaladOSRS I understand that. I was referencing an experience I had with a streamer of 3 viewers, not a partner or affiliate. Right when they got to the ending of a game I got served 10 back to back un-skipable ads by twitch.
@@darkconceptgaming yeah don't get me wrong I'm not out here trying to defend twitch, they should give you an option to defer ads or something and watch them later when the games have ended idk
As a small time streamer who just reached affiliate level a few months ago (and worked really hard for it) this news is so damn discouraging. I love how Twitch has connected me with so many cool people, but the company itself is a garbage fire.
From one affiliate to another, the Twitch Affiliate program is a total joke. You work hard for it, and all you get is ads on your stream in exchange for "wow you can have your own emotes now!" It's all a ploy to monetize small streamers as soon as possible while keeping them around for as long as possible by dangling the carrot on a stick of eventual Partnership. I'm strongly considering opting out of Affiliate or just switching to TH-cam.
@@karllhungus2681 some people struggle with it a lot. There’s people out there who take years to get it. Some people don’t have good tech for it, don’t stream popular categories with a lot of viewers, etc. Its situational.
@@thomasdr08 That ad scheme would sting a little less if streamers were allowed to roll ads during breaks or at the end of the stream after they sign off for the night similar to how a TV station rolls its ads, as that wouldn't be detrimental to the content, hate to say it, but how it handles ads are one thing traditional TV got right vs. some of the streaming platforms that are out currently, because ideally it wouldn't be detrimental to whatever's being broadcast, that and if you recorded your program on, say, a DVR or even a VCR to get a little older, you can easily just fast-forward past them, vs. YT's unskippable ads which are thankfully taken care of by ad blockers because YT hasn't designed their ads to bypass ad blockers, or Twitch's pre-roll ads which are both unskippable and unblockable by general-purpose ad blockers like Ublock and that need a special ad blocker for Twitch.
I think during Linus' livestream he had an interesting theory which was that companies were over-hiring because they didn't want them going over to other competition and are only now firing them
Oh look they just hired another thousand people theres more growth to come lets invest more! Meanwhile tech companies take all skills and new ideas of new motivated people and just sort out the most cost effective....
Lol watch twitch sign a contract with TH-cam or someshit after purposely getting rid of half or more of their fanbase just so they have the same amount of money coming in with less work.....🤫
YT's biggest issue is discovering a streamer. anyone checking out YT will never see a streamer. Never ever found a streamer organically. Every section except the front page of YT is a copy of your subscriptions page just shuffled order. If I said to anyone go find a streamer you can't find them by list or search . Only if you happen to know about YT gaming or see them on the front page. Even then it's not in a side menus.
TH-cam has been doing livestreaming for a while. At this point, they've tried enough things to realize streaming isn't actually profitable for them, so they do the bare minimum. I think people are delusional in thinking companies are clamoring to serve the livestream community out of love. It's all about money at the end of the day, and livestreaming is simply not profitable. If Amazon didn't buy Twitch, Twitch would have been in trouble a long time ago. Twitch is *still* not profitable.
You really just have to love when Charlie puts the big businesses over his knee and proceeds to properly spank them
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It's pretty normal for the employees to not know if they are fired yet. I work for a tech company and the layoffs were announced in December but we are still waiting to find out who is laid off. Amazon is doing a lot of cuts like closing the Digital Photography Review site altogether so it makes sense that the layoffs came from amazon.
Yep. Same shit when I worked in the IT department for a multinational bank. Rumors circulate, sometimes the company will even make an announcement but not specify who. It's infuriating, really. At one of my previous roles, they called an "all-hands meeting" and herd all the people to be laid off into a separate room. Then they would not tell anyone in the other rooms that the others were laid off until after the fact. I just barely got to say goodbye to (some) of the coworkers I liked. I had about 30 minutes from the moment I stepped outside that conference room to get all my shit and leave, all while some fuck face in a suit stood over my shoulder.
@@CrizzyEyes Isnt that illegal tho? Like they didnt fire you they just laid you off the company so wouldnt that mean theyre not allowed to just give you 30 minutes to pack all your shit and go?
@@SnowMexicann No idea where you live, but employment laws vary in the US. Here in Texas, where I live, at-will employment is law, which means you can be let go for any time at any reason. I received a severance package, which only makes things more confusing. Why all the theater and shady atmosphere just to give me severance after? Why treat me like a criminal? I just don't get it.
I've been a part of hiring bloat that got laid off before. It sucks, but it's hard to notice you're in that chopping block until you realize you've been doing very little actual work for a few months and things are... too quiet. You get to this point where all the initial critical projects you were hired to jump in and work on are complete, and ever since then, you've been doing a comfortable level of busywork with the assumption that you and your fellow hires will be called upon next time a big project comes around. But that state is too good to be true, and too comfortable to last. If you ever find yourself in a situation where you have actual time to slack off, watch out. You are extra fat that's ripe for trimming. Enjoy the work-life balance while you can, but for the sake of your paycheck, you'd better start either priming that resume (if you don't like the company) or purposefully seeking opportunities to take on daily critical tasks outside your job description (if you do like the company). Always remember that when you're part of a mass layoff, many of your middle-managers will get laid off too, and oftentimes they will find new jobs before you. Making friends and being respectful and dependable is an absolute golden lifeline after a layoff, cause you never know who might've just been hired at a new company and is being asked, "Do you know anyone who you'd want to come work for your new team?"
A streamer I watch was offered a good 100 smackeroons for 8 minutes of ads. it's crazy man. if TH-cam improved discoverability on their site and just generally overhauled the livestreaming section, I guarantee they would become a much much larger threat to Twitch than they are now.
@@riccardodellorto4267 Going to the bathroom for 4 minutes 2 times per hour? So you have to force yourself to piss and shit on command? Are you fucking serious? 80% of the stream would be bathroom breaks. You think people have a lot to do to kill time at home?
I'd love to stream on youtube but I just hate the way TH-cam is laid out for streaming... Maybe it's me and that I haven't spent a ton of time but like, how are you really meant to find streamers on youtube? It feels like you'll only have viewers if you already have a following to begin with. The entire stream tab seems hidden and even when you click it, a lot of the stuff just seems like weird pre recorded videos.
Since the tech bloat about 100,000 people have been laid off, I unfortunately was a part of that, I was a coder for a company that was bought out and dismantled by Knox so he is mad spot on!
I’m convinced now that even if TH-cam and Twitch had competition, it wouldn’t make anything better because that competition would eventually be bought out by companies that will run them into the ground too.
TH-cam and Twitch have had competition and every time they either sabotage the company through various means or hire the employees and leaders as staff. That is, if the company itself doesn't get ran into the graveyard by poor management. I mean hell, youtube and twitch themselves were the competition until they were bought by google and amazon respectively.
I dont understand how twitch takes 50% of subs, has 40% markup on bits, and so many ads but say that they havent been profitable.I would love to see a breakdown of where all that money is going.
It truly boggles my mind to think that even with a subscription, even through donations, if a streamer isn't partnered or sponsored then the chance of them making as much money from streaming as you would think is extremely low. I always assumed with all the donations and subscribers they would make a pretty good buck from streaming, until now. I genuinely can't even use Twitch because of the ads and both the website and the app destroying my devices. TH-cam is looking real good lately, let's just hope their new CEO doesn't go down the Twitch route.
The policy team under the new CEO loosened restrictions on profanity. I hope that's a sign that things are going in the right direction, not because more profanity is inherently good, but because it was the overwhelming opinion of the community that the profanity guidelines were way too strict and that opinion was listened to.
it sucks how big companies can do stupid stuff like this and basically get away with it because they don't care at all unless there's an equally big company threatening them
@@BusinessSkrub lmao, there’s nothing capitalistic about modern America. It is a corporatocracy through and through, and twitch is a subsidiary of one of the major contributors to a corporatocratic America: Amazon.
@@BusinessSkrub compared to Russia or China where they don't even pay you a working wage but hey if you like earning $0.10 per phone or per whatever thing you're making go on with that then see if you can afford food
as a small twitch streamer myself, it’s incredibly hard to even just gain and maintain viewers let alone getting paid for it. twitch rolling out the worst fucking updates just adds on more pressure for small creators. thank you so much charlie for addressing this issue 💕
I've used Twitch since 2013-2014, and it genuinely has been very disheartening seeing the platform begin to rise at the start, only to fall so far. My favorite streamer is MOONMOON, and in his ~7 years of streaming, he hasn't taken a sponsor or run an ad because he purely wants his stream to just be him and gameplay, no other shit that's become so meta on Twitch nowadays. Rather, he's relied solely on Twitch subscriptions to make his money. Every change Twitch makes feels like it's shitting on streamers like that, who stream for the love of it, and only benefits corporate streamers.
@@patrickhenry2342 I've used Twitch since 2013-2014, and it genuinely has been very disheartening seeing the platform begin to rise at the start, only to fall so far. My favorite streamer is MOONMOON, and in his ~7 years of streaming, he hasn't taken a sponsor or run an ad because he purely wants his stream to just be him and gameplay, no other shit that's become so meta on Twitch nowadays. Rather, he's relied solely on Twitch subscriptions to make his money. Every change Twitch makes feels like it's shitting on streamers like that, who stream for the love of it, and only benefits corporate streamers.
@Patrick Henry sorry, let me leave a better comment for a penguinz0 video- so glad that Jesus Christ came down to enlighten us on how shitty Twitch is, without him I never would have been able to figure it out
Pretty much the same here, on Twitch since 2013 but it changed so much in a bad way that now I just support FFZ and Twitch ad blocker or people that creates tools to watch sub only vods for free. I'll never going back to give my money to Twitch again, the real losers are the streamers and that's sad but there is no way I'm supporting the destruction of what was a good place to be.
A small twitch streamer that’s really good at it recently came out saying he was finally making enough on twitch consistently, so he quit his job and being a streamer is his career now. This was a month ago. Hearing this news sent my heart to my stomach, that’s just horrible news for these streamers.
the ads are especially egregious and its only getting worse. I feel like this is not talked about enough, but twitch constantly forces ads on its users, bricks adblockers and tries to make the ad placement themselves even more frequent. There are now image banner ads that pop up below the player when you watch a stream, on top of the random adbreaks, and prerolls. On top of that, their ads are random, the amount is random, and they take up an inane amount of GPU resources. Its all cancer and no one should stand for that crap
As someone with slow wifi, I watch most streams at 480pish or less, but the ads force themselves to be at such a high quality it takes a 1minute ad into almost 5 minutes.
@@toradall8143 thank you for adding that, I forgot to mention the network resources it takes to even download the ads to begin with, it’s all just a slap in the viewer’s face
The worst part for me is definitely the fact that Twitch holds your channel hostage as an affiliate. You either run 3m of ads per hour and anger your current viewers, OR they run Pre-Rolls on your channel and kill your new viewership potential. I would honestly prefer to not run ads at all! I get nothing from them as a small streamer anyways, so what's the point!
My friend has said there is a way around ads but you have to switch streams when an ad starts playing and sometimes he said you have to switch stream a few times before you get a stream and not ads. Crazy.
Pre-roll ads are what killed Twitch for me. Clicking through streams to see what's going on, and getting multiple ads EACH TIME is insane. It just makes it easier to not bother watching than to find a stream.
Twitch seriously needs to listen to their community. Otherwise, they'll lose both streamers and viewers. And double down on a bad idea doesn't make it better nor worth it. Edit: Knock on wood that they scrap this 50/50 plan here.
Twitch kept growing and asserting his dominance year after year , ppl think that twitch is losing but in reality its growing more and more , while youtube is struglling against facebook gaming , its the nvidia or apple situation ,no matter how much the other product will be , the consumers will stick with those blindly , and that why twitch or nvidia always get out victorious even with shity service
@@alaa341g Glad someone said this. Charlie has made several videos before on the buffoonery twitch has done, but it still is going strong despite years of people complaining about the service. It's not going to just stop because people complain, especially when said people continue to use its services regardless.
I used to watch twitch nearly every day back in 2015-2018, but the viewer experience got worse and worse until finally I just stopped using the platform altogether. It's unbelievable how successful they've been at destroying their platform.
If youtube really wanted to, they could work on their live interface and make it more user friendly. They would likely be able to increase their power in the streaming scene and become a much better competitor to twitch.
Imagine this: Twitch makes it so ads never auto-run on streams with less than 150 viewers. This means when ads are run on larger broadcasts when people leave they'll naturally be more likely to go to smaller streams. They don't have allot of ways to funnel people to smaller streamers which they really need to figure out. This could be that much less friction in the process This also naturally pushes more channels to that monetization point. Isn't that like their whole MO these last couple years?
You could push that down even further. I generally max out at 10 or so viewers per stream, so building a community is even harder given the market saturation. Folks my size would benefit from capping that number at around 40 viewers.
Same thought. I know people are hating on Kick because of Train and Adin, but I genuinely hoping for them to succeed. Twitch need a serious competition
Sadly it is being run by Trainwreck who is a) an asshole b) an idiot c) a greedy narcissist while also being funded by Stake which is a) a greedy company b) objectively evil c) not adept at creating a streaming platform. So chances of success lookin’ sus.
Leslie needs to give a class on sponsorships for streamers. Most sponsored streamer woman who turned her stream/brand friendliness into a multimillion YT contract.
First the ads take over in the payments: then the adds demand content be "compliant to regulation" that the adds demand. sounds like Twitch is killing off "non-conformant" content
You really hit the nail on the head with the ads from a viewers perspective. It's even getting so bad that a streamer I regularely watch has the word 'ad' or 'ads' being deleted with an automated message respond that he can't do anything about it. And yes whenever I get a notification from a twitch streamer, I think well I'll watch them now instead of youtube but you get slapped in the face with five 30second ads. And I'm back to YT again. Little tip; I found that if you cast a stream (to chromecast for example), you get very few to no ads. Don't know if that has been fixed in the last few days but yeah
Twitch: "Hello, I like money!" Literally everyone: "What inspired you to make another stupid choice knowing youre already ticking everyone off?" Twitch: "Money!"
Updates and things of that nature really just happen to justify someone’s job. Most new features companies come up with don’t happen because people ask for them, they happen because some developer/engineer said “ I think this is what people want.” When the customers actually say they want a certain feature, developers say “they don’t want that feature, what they really want is this.” Which is something no customer asked for
it's become a usual problem when companies focus on profit rather than the robustness or quality of their product or platform and start to hire more people for marketing departments, sometimes assigning them to product design, less hiring or even kicking out technical departments.
Technical departments look bad on a spreadsheet. This lesson is just too hard to learn for managers, especially ones that come from a finance or investment background. They see red number, think scary bad, and fire hundreds of people. They literally think that the money just goes into a hole and no value comes out of it because they didn't do the work to study how much value the work they do on the product or service is worth.
Twitch has become the biggest drama farm on the internet for no good reason. I can’t remember the last time there has been 2 weeks without any drama from Twitch specifically.
I get that they want to push ads to make money but damn this really is killer as it is. I hope Twitch finds a way to operate without continuing to push the community away. It feels like Twitch is really digging it's own grave.
I have to say, I dont really watch Charlie that much. But as I scroll through my recommended videos, I see nothing but click bait video thumbnails. I appreciate Charlie for having a simple thumbnail. It feels relaxing
It’s crazy because Im a turbo user I haven’t seen ads in a minute but it really annoys me that people don’t even know about turbo because twitch isn’t promoting it and its like $14/ a month
When things happen like this because of people like the Twitch execs you got to hit them where it hurts, their wallets. The best way to do that is to either stop watching twitch or for the twitch streamers to move on to different platforms and tell their audience about their move.
That's exactly what I was thinking. Hell, even those who are held by contract can go on strike. I feel if any big streamer like, idk, Pokimane, came out and said "I'm not going back to Twitch until this is handled", this thing wouldn't make it past a months
That doesn't cut it. To hurt Twitch you need to give streamers an incentive to go elsewhere. No professional streamer is going to destroy their own monthly income just to flip the finger at twitch.
Issue is big streamers can swallow a 20% reduction since they're loaded at the end of the day regardless, there's not much incentive for them to risk even more money loss by switching to a different platform. The people this change is hurting are regular streamers
Even before the 50/50 revenue split I found the prevalence of ads to be pretty overwhelming on Twitch. I'll generally sit through a preroll, but once I'm watching a stream an ad-break will definitely get me to back out. (The exception is if I'm watching a VOD since I don't miss content with ad breaks in VODs; with a live stream I'm missing content while twiddling my thumbs to the ads.) Ultimately, these days I really only watch Twitch if I sub to the streamer since that's the way to avoid the ad experience. Congratulations to the two channels I sub to, lol. That said, my viewing habits have drifted more in the TH-cam direction anyway. It's easier for me to consume a video game playthrough with a series on YT than to dig up Twitch VODs. And once you start watching a playthrough where the content creator is fully focused on the game, not splitting attention between game and chat, it's hard to go back to watching livestreams anyway.
I think the reason why Twitch is so disconnected, might also be a product of them thinking they are still the largest streaming platform without competitors so they just think they'll get away with anything they put on people
The problem with ads is that you miss out on big moments. Streamers do not pause their content when running an ad. TV shows are paused when ads are shown. What works for tv doesnt work for live streaming.
I love how Twitch is so delusional. They're almost talented in making things go from bad to worse.
Ever since they made the decision to sell themselves out to Amazon.
Well, it was already going downhill at that point, but I digress.
@@Patrick-xk9sjno, because you are a very bad friend.
Amazon made Twitch a garbage fest. 🤭🤭🤭
A talent for failure…that’s why I love humans
I love raiding into a stream and every viewer receiving ads instead of seeing their warm welcome. Twitch is great and doing well.
😭
This hurts me. I'm a super small streamer, just reached affiliate not long ago, so when I get raids, it really means something to me and I'm always so happy to see new viewers and meet new people. I'm still learning -- is there any way at all to get rid of prerolls? I know I can opt out of affiliate, I just don't know if I can afford that, given that I do get steady (albeit minimal) subs.
Its great right
Good to see you OT!
@@ShmaylaRay as far as I know, if you do the minimum of 3 minutes ad break per hour, you can disable prerolls. I might be wrong about that though, I'd check
“Twitch isn’t drunk, it’s just stupid” I have never heard such a perfect description of a company until now…
They managed to fall upwards for so long.
Bro I agree
It’s incompetent, and rotting from the inside out. There’s no salvaging this shitty company. 😂😂😂😂
@Zoo Pride 🐶💕 You. Noose. Now.
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This is exactly why competition is IMPORTANT. There needs to be another big streaming website asap because Twitch has too much monopoly right now
Which is why EVERYONE should be happy kick is a thing. Because it’ll force twitch to offer better services and if it doesn’t then it will fail
We need a GOOD competitor.
@@light2091 wait kik? The messaging app with the green letters?
@@rayburks7059 no, there’s another streaming platform named KICK which I’m pretty sure blew up because of Adin taking like a $150,000 deal. It could be an actual competitor in streaming services but from what I’ve heard as of right now the tos is fucked.
Twitch have been losing money every year and have never been profitable. if twitch can't achieve this being the market leader i can't see any of these other sites doing so and taking over.
Honestly the most shocking thing about twitch letting 400 people go is the fact that they even had 400 people in the first place
What a lot of people forget is that a company has the power to hire whole separate contract crews that can perform various tasks that the company needs. Which maybe is the cheaper route instead of paying payroll for in house employees, makes business sense.
@@thedarthsidious66Ah yes... The good ol' outsourcing method. The method that caused services to rapidly decline
reminds me of my own countries goverment sector, its a very small country allready and we have like 300+ people in there doing nothing but pressing their butthole to see if its poop or fart. easily a couple of mil wasted yearly off of the peoples tax, thats like a few euros each year off of everyone, but not everyone works so more like 200 each year gets removed for essentialy nothing. the people in there are less compotent than me even (why tf would you want to make peace with russia if that creates such a hit to the reputation of every other country, thats like trading +1 point for -25 points in every other faction that pretty much have to help you when it comes to war)
@@thedarthsidious66 its the cheaper route short term, but constant turnover can easily lead to a lot of lost expertise and waste which is harder to quantify but very apparent in poor software development practices or when services decrease in quality due to exodus of skilled workers
@DontReadMyProfilePhoto_1 Ok I won't and I hope people do not have the self restraint of a 2 year old and can like me not read your name.
And then Twitch said: "You guys have been working your asses off for years to get where you are, so as a reward we're giving ourselves a raise and taking it out of your paychecks."
It's funny you think people at Twitch gets paid well when they're part of Amazon, and they follow Amazon pay bands, and Amazon pays are notoriously low in the tech industry.
@@AuraofMana useless twitch dev spotted* ^ 😂
@@AuraofMana Right, because it's the workers who made this decision, and obviously not the board of Directors, huh?
Honestly. Watching the world burn is truly fascinating. Even more fascinating how people are under some "Infinite Tsukoyomi" and embrace this lunacy. So let me get this right. I do the work. And you get the big denaros? LOL. Anyone else wanna join me in taking up a trade and leave corporates to implode?
@@namesurname9668 the emergency exit sign has been flickering, for however long. One of these days is going to be out. Yup
Always funny how big companies go from "too big to fail" to "too stupid to succeed"
Twitch is the most sucesful streaming platform by a huge amount tho.
@@alexandrebelair4360That's not the point.
@@alexandrebelair4360 Not for much longer at this rate, my dude.
@@quinnleydean8335 i wonder what the next site would be
@@critikalghost Kick 😂
It's actually so funny, the moment youtube ends up getting better chatting tools and different chat extentions to make chatters participate in the stream, twitch is going loose SO much more people
I hated how Twitch went from creating one of the most unique and accomodating for both streamer and viewers, to constantly making frustrating braindead decisions. It's so baffling how them doing nothing would be a better decision than what they are doing now.
Its what happens when things become more corporate. They don't want to earn the same amount every year, there HAS to be increase in revenue year over year. Its literally greed making these decisions, they could sit on their laurels forever but that isn't gonna buy the CEO their new yacht at the end of the tax year. Governments do this all the time - they could cut costs in unneeded areas but its just easier to hike up the taxes to cover the costs.
That’s what monopolies/corporations do. They sold out, and now WE’RE all fucked. That 20% extra cut from creators? That’s not going to their employees. That’s not going to better the platform. That’s the executive’s pay raise and sell out to the shareholders
One of the most unique and accommodating… services? Platforms? Businesses? You forgot to finish your sentence.
One Word: Amazon
@Patrick39 how you know someone hit rock bottom:
I love it when I pay $10 a month to support one of my favourite streamer and also to avoid getting ads while watching the stream just to get three ads while watching the stream. Thank you Twitch you truly are one of the greatest streaming platforms
And half of your $10 goes to the corporation who is forcing you to watch the ads! Genius.
@@patrickhenry2342 delete yourself.
That's the streamer. As streamers there is an option to disable ads for subs.
@@AFarCryGames wait so whats the point? Do you see like 3 ads instead of 6? Genuine question.
It's honestly wild that subs find acceptable that streamers still activates ads for them
They've done it. They've cracked the code. They're geniuses for bringing the thing to streaming that made many people ditch traditional TV in favor of streaming in the first place. Phenomenal job. Everyone who was in on that decision deserves a free rimmy and some champagne.
Truly one of the streaming sites of all time
This is the greatest twitch of all time
natural progression of capitalism. no platform is safe.
@@Cara.314 nope not capitalism it’s called the same companies that own tv with commercials owns the streaming platforms there is still tons of room in capitalism for a company that cares about there viewers and then wen they get big dont sell out TH-cam was good sold to googl.e twitch was good sold to Amazon I can keep going the original companies were great then they sold to the people that owns the commercial strategy but look at Netflix can’t stand some of the movies and the way they ruin shows but zero commercials it can be done
Like, I can tolerate ads on traditional free-to-air tv because it's free, but still.
Can we just take a minute to appreciate twitch management for making the platform the worst in the world
Can we take a minute to appreciate their effort to make Twitch a complete shithole?
I rarely go there but then I see someone I might watch and when I click on them as they are live, it presents an ad and hides the streamer's info. Like, I literally can't even click on the streamer's profile or follow them because the ad takes the entire screen and removes the follow button and their profile from the bottom. So stupid.
That's youtube
@@Quesoquantum honeslty my area with Twitch is running very thin right now. I go to twitch so I can record my playthroughs and download them to go on TH-cam. My recent stream I had multiple areas where the audio was muted and I successfully appealed it. What does Twitch do? They remove the red muted bars but when I played it back there were still areas that were muted. I was banging on my laptop asking why the areas were still muted. I'm honestly running out of patience, and I hope that I can find a way to record elsewhere because Twitch is poo! Also, try being frustrated on Twitch while being on the autism spectrum
@@mattint0sh jfc
Being a streamer on twitch has to be one of the scariest things because you have people that will travel thousands of miles for you and a company that won’t
I couldn’t be a streamer. Way too many weirdos.
@Zoo Pride 🐶💕 zoo jail time
@Zoo Pride 🐶💕 🤢📸
@Zoo Pride 🐶💕 bros on a jail any% speedrun and hes about to get the world record fr fr
@Zoo Pride 🐶💕 Leviticus 20:15 checkmate bozo
I work as an engineer at AWS. I don't work at Twitch, so take this with a grain of salt, but it seems that Amazon runs their engineering teams similarly across the board.
A large part of what goes into promotions is how much "innovation" you can bring. This means that you are incentivized as an employee to push for change, even where it isn't really needed. The result of this is a lot of constant changes that are often more annoying than they are helpful.
I imagine that this is similar to how Twitch operates: a bunch of engineers and upper management that may or may not watch streams trying to find the next big innovation that will catapult their careers.
Ive worked for one of their FCs. This is EXACTLY how Amazon works. Very nice to see its consistently stupid across the board
And now that they've stopped or were found out lying through their teeth, they are getting fired legally
Ah, you mean like the modern progressive movement? 😂
AWS gang :) aaaand sorta agreed, but I think that’s an over generalization. Idk, Charlie’s roasting them over Reactions and Super Chats or whatever, but that’s bias for action. Try out a new feature, and if it doesn’t get much traction, take it out. It’s not that big of a deal. The features/technology of twitch are fine, it’s just the money decisions being made by the suits that ruin everything
Can confirm this is amazon wide. I’m in Alexa which is notorious for this as well. All promo projects that are useless
Twitch always seems to do the exact opposite of what the community wants
Sounds like Activision
they do what the shareholders want, theyre the boss
@@castironrichie1445 just like overwatch 2
just like niantic
@@puiing blizzard/Activision that's why I can't wait for them to be bought out. Gotta teach those team "leaders" how to actually run the place.
Youre so right about people leaving a stream because of preroll ads. I cant count the amount of times ive left a new stream because i didnt feel like sitting through the ads.
The biggest problem is that twitch is aware of the negative feedback but still choose to ignore it and do only the things that benefit them and not the viewers or streamers
Edit: thanks for the likes👌
In the minds of inexplicably braindead executives, if your employees and customers will both hate something with a passion and it will ruin their daily experience of your service, you should 100% do it, because money. Much like how it's been proven that long-term profits are harmed by making employees work sick, but no one cares, because net losses don't matter, only short term profits. They think that if you say in the media, "everyone loves this," the world is stupid enough to believe and accept it and anyone who disagrees will tell themselves they're the exception. It's maddening. The gap between one's Wisdom and Intelligence scores has never been wider.
I mean, why would they do anything else? They aren't in it to make a good streaming platform, they're in it to make money.
Once again, we see the office with capitalism highlighted - people are too concerned with making money to do their damn job
@@WynneL Lol both INT and WIS are dump stats with these companies. If anything it's CHA out the wazoo, and not even their own Charisma, but that of their streamers, actors, brands and IPs, etc.
"Disney can't be evil cause I like Star Wars" etc. is enough of a self-brainwash that these companies don't even have to try, really. You don't have to react to the pendulum of public opinion any faster than your next episode of their favorite show comes out. What'll they do, stop watching?
Dopamine is a helluva drug... no matter how you serve it.
Its crazy how they still don't understand that sure you'll make a lot of money at first but when all of your workers and people who give them money leaves, these executives will be immediately cut out of money entirely. If they just hadn't changed anything, they'd make more in the long run. So brain dead.
They don't ignore them they take them personally like kids,was it just in italy that they banned the word simp because they were getting called simps?
Honestly you hit the nail on the head when you mentioned pre roll ads, I literally don't watch random streamers if I don't know what they're doing already because I don't wanna sit through the ads to watch for 30 seconds and be like "Na, I don't like this."
It's a double-edged sword since you can:
1: run midroll ads to turn off prerolls
2: have preroll ads and turn off midrolls
3: do both because you're a cunt
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Do you ever get 7 in a row? I get that lot on some channels. Then when I go to change the resolution to a higher one, It'll replay the same 7 ads AGAIN! So frustrating.
can't even find small streamers in a bunch of categories due to them fucking up the sorting options
Get Twitch Adblocker Plus
@@Blakhawk1703 as soon as i see that ‘1 of 7’ i close twitch bc im not dealing with that 😭 so unwatchable
This is hilariously timed, I never really used Twitch in the past. And just yesterday I had a random desire to watch someone stream. I dusted off my password, logged in, and enjoyed a stream for about 10 minutes.. then got hit with 4 minutes worth of ads. At which point I was like "Ahh yeah, Twitch sucks" and I stopped watching. Jumped on TH-cam this morning to all these Twitch news videos.
There's just something about watching it live, with your favorite streamer & community. Yeah, the ads can be bad initially, but I grew up on basic television in the 90s-2010s which make the twitch ads look like a sneeze. Not only that, the ads are necessary for the company and i'm consuming a FREE service, so if I have to watch a few ads every 30min-hour, it's an easy trade.
I understand you may not want that trade off, but the main issue for most isn't the ads themselves, but the way in which Twitch is conducting their business as a whole, especially the timing with the ads (putting in the beginning, like, wtf... 🤦🏽♂️)
@@DefeatLust you get Ads only every 30 min? When I watch Hasan I get Ads every time he pauses the stream which is like every 5 minutes.
@@DefeatLust
Ads just realy hurt alot more when its a live stream thats the problem
@@PuddingXXL Oh, I guess the streamer may be able to set them for better or worse. I watch some big streamers as well, and I get a FAT string of ads clicking on the stream, maybe a side ad here or there, and then 1 every 30min/hour for like 30 seconds.
@@DefeatLust Makes sense. Honestly it's not just twitch but TH-cam as well. Actually made me buy premium.
I'm shocked how many baseline features are locked behind premium. Especially when it comes to mobile devices. Being able to lock your phone screen and still hear the video should be a base feature imo.
Downloading videos I can understand putting them behind the paywall but damn I feel kind of bad to give TH-cam my money since it means their incentives work.
As a small streamer that's struggling being discovered, this hurts me seeing that twitch has doubled down
Twitch is the embodiment of a character in a show in a bad situation saying “How could this get any worse,“ and then it getting worse.
The cracks in the economy are showing. Companys are just throwing spaghetti on the wall and hoping it sticks.
Small correction:
That same character *makes it worse*
It get's worse with everyone selling their content on Blu-rays & selling them by mail instead
saw a women with big boobs e dating on twitch.... 90 % of the comments where removed us they wanted to fuck her lmao. thats what twitch has become... if u say there is 2 genders u get destroyed
lmao
I've noticed this more with large scale companies. They'll roll out the worst possible change that everyone hates with some variation of "we did this because of some vague plan in the future". All they do is make a change that sucks and justify it with actual nothingness.
It's all about not spooking the investors. Every action is done with "Guys, we promise we have a plan... no, seriously, we have a plan, just trust us and hang in there."
I can't tell which is more pathetic, government regulators being slaves to corporations, or corporations being slaves to wall street. The customer is the product and going public is how you kill your humanity.
They do it for more money for less offered. Like all capitalism.
Local government where I live does the same thing. They proposed reducing the highway speed between four towns from 100km/h (62mp/h) to 80km/h (50mp/h).
This is a ruralish area, the roads are almost completely straight with a few gentle bends at points.
When asked for feedback, they got an overwhelmingly negative response. There was absolutely no point to doing it. But then they did it anyway. And there's so many examples of this. The small town I live needed more space for retail development. They build a massive fuck off "town square" that no one ever uses because it's completely worthless. And they didn't even finish that job completely and there's a massive pit of rubble next to it 6 years later.
Oh and our "federal" government does the same thing. Propose stuff that NO ONE asked for or supports and then implement it anyway.
@@randomname9723 sounds like a fun time to get a bike and go 150 with no plates.
Maybe its to hide a slightly less worse change in the future like "fine we wont do this awful thing so we are going to change it to this bad thing be happy with it"
Charlie uses basic transitions, has no overt editing, speaks in a monotone for the most part, and still keeps my attention for the entire video. Truly impressive.
He speaks in such a basic way due to the fact most of twitches audiences are basic
@@aginghermit it’s because Charlie always brings up valid points and makes it actually interesting by adding to it ig 🤷♂️
@JoaquinElf I swear some of those kids used PowerPoint as a video editor
I don’t think I would count jump-cuts as “transitions”
I hate fast editing during videos of people talking. It works fine in a music video, but not when you're just talking to the camera. A cut every word is the worst.
THIS right here is why Charlie is the best content creator there is. Dude shits on TH-cam, shits on Twitch, doesn't care at all. He never shies away from telling ANYONE how it is and for that, I salute you
I'm honestly suprised how Twitch is even carrying itself for this long-
I know, right?? 😂
Having no competent competition helps alot haha
Its somehow still the best streaming site.
also carrying Charlies bank account
With their bots, of course. Or it’s just fetuses that somehow got a hold of a phone.
im glad charlie is singlehandedly acting as the internet's newscaster for any and all current events. god bless
Him and Mutahar aka SomeOrdinaryGamers are my two sources of internet news at this point
And Ludwig lol
@@morihol8951 screw Ludwig he’s a 🏳️🌈🤡
until he makes comments attacking women for recording in the gym... then a few days later a woman is attacked at the gym lol
@@hmcheese7746 what are you talking about?
Twitch will only do something good if they think they are in danger, and the only way they can be in danger is if their streamers start leaving to other platforms.
Which won’t happen soon since Twitch made sure to lock down their top streamers under contracts to avoid them leaving like when Microsoft was pulling streamers for their discontinued service
@@SirDubbs This was changed partners are able to stream on multiple platforms now. Exclusive contracts aren't really a thing for twitch anymore even among their top creators the vast majority of them can leave whenever they want with no repercussion. The only reason they stay is because the only viable alternative is youtube which is inherently worse due to not having a truly dedicated steaming section and proper chatbox. I imagine this changes in the next 5 years though and twitch starts to decline rapidly.
TH-cam will eventually take over.
I've been watching twitch for a couple years now and wow it's done nothing but make disappointment after disappointment.
You already get 8 ads in a stream with no more than 5k views.
TH-cam is on its way up even more as expected, was probably just waiting for twitch to do some incredibly dumb shit once again so they could cop half their fan base 😂
With no contracts as well... Yikes.
Not only that but kick is going to last about a year or two if that before they get hit with lawsuit after lawsuit and have to shut down due to no TOS which means TH-cam it is..
@Vic This right here. I see so many streamers complaining and whining about Twitch only to see them streaming on twitch. If they want change then they have to leave the platform otherwise Twitch wont change.
Which won't happen bcs 90% of the big Streamers are self centered greedy lazy hypocritical dummy dum dum heads who will do what they always did, which is complaining like a toddler who doesn't get his car, stating maybe even in all honesty that they don't like what some of the consequences of clearly predatory decisions from the company they are currently supporting to an extent that the company can follow through with said decisions mean for their viewers and smaller content creators, getting some moral high ground so viewers have it easier doing some mental gymnastics mentally separating the streamer from the platform where they then decide to take the wise action of doing absolutely nothing bcs doing something would take some effort and could potentially mean less gains, which concepts they normally both already banished to the shadow realm from their own little privileged world, shitting out some random ass reaction videos which are mostly highly predatory and damage the platform over all, in ways i gladly discuss if anyone wonders but i already wrote an bible exert. (and theres more)
If anyone asks themselves what they could do, i would argue someone like the big moist man, could easily get some of the top content creators to fuck of the platform for a month in a form of unified protest against yucky decisions maybe even making some sort of group project on other platforms which as you already realized would make twitch have an, as the not so young kids anymore like to say "major bruh moment".
Stay hydrated my friend and anyone reading this, treat yourself with some nuggets and remember Epstein absolutely 100% killed himself.
7:35 Twitch won't implement skippable ads because the bounce rate of their back-to-back ads is so high. Unlike TH-cam where it's pretty so-so skip rate, people on Twitch would skip the ad as soon as they could in like the 95th percentile of cases. As an advertiser, it makes the value of skippable ads on Twitch virtually worthless.
I remember the days when TH-cam was a nightmare and I looked at Twitch as the platform that was doing it right.
Never thought would see the day that Twitch is just doing it all wrong. Had so much promise…even the VOD feature and premieres on Twitch was at one point promising.
Yeah
Who remembers the older days of twitch? Much simpler times…
Like youtube is any better. They removed the dislikes count, so many other youtubers including me are having trouble with the copyright system. It will only get worse.
Same
Even now when TH-cam is actually reversing bad policies. You’d think Twitch would try to clap back.
13:12 I'm so glad this is being noticed. I was laid off in February after working as a developer for 5 years, but everything in the news is claiming unemployment is at an all-time low and that everyone is hiring. Being in the tech industry right now is a little scary with how scarce opportunity is
I found it intersting that alot of tech layoffs are happening now right when A.I is making such huge breakthroughs do u think theres any corrolation?
@@ryanw1511 it seems that way, but in reality it's just the corporations cleaning up the overstock of employees and seeing how much cutting they can do until things start falling apart..
@@ryanw1511 Nah during the lock downs/pandemic there was a massive surge of monetary injection into the system to prevent a complete economic collapse. This combined with hundreds of millions of people sitting at home led to a massive increase in demand for IT/online entertainment stuff which led to massive over investments into those sectors. Now the opposite is happening: the lock downs are over and the central banks are tightening the money supply rather than increasing it. No more cheap money means companies are losing a ton of value, jobs have to be cut and things are scaled down again. Even banks are starting to buckle under the pressure (see SVB collapse, Credit Suisse buy-in) as their investments lose value due to the increase in the interests rates.
People are always gonna say everyone's hiring. Doing manufacturing myself man, my area pays dogshit itself. Now I do food production instead, $30/hr capout rate as a newbie (paid by quota) with room for increase. People shit on a lot of production jobs, but the one's from these legit companies with real managers in place at least: 1. Take care of you by having a not shit environment and 2. Pay more than most entry levels or even a bit further than, degree jobs. My manufacturing mind can wait until I move, because vast majority of my state underpays for that position. I wish you the best and getting another go at your career with an even better pay than you had.
@@ryanw1511 You seriously overestimate how fast businesses adapt to new technology. And thats not even technology thats officially there.
It actually makes me sad. I remember like 2014 first discovering twitch and loving it. Growing up falling asleep to streams and eventually starting to stream myself. Now to see that twitch will inevitably disappear someday because they’re so STUPID it makes me sad. I hope all streamers are able to transition in order to support their families. Heartbreaking
Thing is, twitch feels like it has a monopoly on the streaming market.. I dont see it going away anytime soon. But gosh do I miss old twitch, it was just so... Individual? Idk
@@ireallyreallyreallylikethisimg we need a decentralized streaming platform, where the profits from viewers and streamers is shared amongst the community, and not venture capitalists, or shareholders. Unfortunately twitch blew up too quick, and greed allowed them to essentially gamify the gaming industry through exploiting streamers
@@dunkdamonk but the problem is server infrastructure who will host all this content flowing through, decentralised system mean everyone is sharing but in most if not all cases only like 1% of the people do any form of tangible hosting of stuff majority of them dont host or share any burden. if you have ever used torrent i am pretty sure you have seen the disparity between a seeder and leech, also decentralised stuff is not the most reliable when it comes to stability. every method has its own caveat
@@siliconhawk There are many options. One is FLUX
They'll be fine.
One of the worst things about pre-rolls is that my internet can get pretty spotty while watching twitch and freeze so I have to refresh the page quite a lot. And every. Single. Time. I get another series of pre-rolls… it makes watching even close friends that you want to support hard.
I just hope Twitch never realizes that their VoD section is free of anything bad. No adds, rewatchable at any time and you can skip the boring/spammy parts of the stream.
Aren't their VODs extremely limited though? You can host way more on TH-cam.
@@CrizzyEyes yeah you can only keep vods for 2 weeks, by which you would need to upload it elsewhere before twitch deletes it. clips last forever though
nah it has a ton of ads. every 15 mins i have to sit through 2 mins of fkin ads
Vods have ads but the streamer can turn ads off.
@@jaxpositionle8427 yes vods have adds, but the streamer can turn them off, and there is no foced adds. Also addblocker works for every add on the vods, but it doesnt work for 100% of the adds live. For example i dont remember the last time i got an add on a Kriparrian VoD, maybe never, while entering live gets me several just for starting to watch and several every half an hour or so.
this man does a better job at capturing my attention about news I don't care about than actual news anchors covering a murder in my neibourhood
@@bluedreamchicago9319
Well yeah, they'd be dead
That's you being terminally online with the attention span of a goldfish.
no it's charlie being fucking hilarious and really good at explaining stuff
Especially when crime rate been going down the only crime that gone up is hate crime because of shithead like Trump and Matt Walsh encouraging it but their not talking about that much and then asking is it's a hate when it actually is
Cuz they don’t refer to your local killer as a goofy comic book villain going wacko mode on Gotham city
The irony is, Twitch and streaming is still pretty small overall in terms of viewership, but instead of investing in marketing and getting people to migrate from watching vods on TH-cam, they're giving their already small userbase a reason to watch elsewhere.
People who watch vods probably watch them because streams in general are hours long with small great moments. Either that or they're not the same time zone
@Elijah Buenafe for me, it's the timing of streams. I'm in the UK and lots of US streamers don't start until late into the evening. I have work, so I can't stay up until 2am watching a livestream
Once you understand that seeing it live doesnt really ads anything makes you watch vods of course... Dont get the sensation of having a spammed chat
@@ElijahBuenafe No ads on the vods either
exactly. it's such a shame. i *want* youtube to have a decent competitor, that's a good thing. but twitch is shooting itself in the foot. it needs to be focused on (sustainable) growth.
3:49 as a small streamer, see that viewers join but because of unskippable ads, they usually disappear before that unskippable ad time ends.
Even from a viewer standpoint, whenever I click on new streamers and get ads, I immediately click out and watch something else.
It was only a matter of time. Once the corporation gets ahold of anything it becomes a million times worse.
Finally someone that sees the truth the platforms are good until they sell to one of the big companies
If they cared about there viewers and don’t sell out for a quick bag they would take over
Every. Fucking. Time.
TH-cam staff: "Oh no more people signed for Twitch exclusivity."
TH-cam CEO: "Just wait."
I'm convinced now that even if TH-cam and Twitch had competition it wouldn't make anything better because that competition would eventually be bought out by companies that will run them into the ground too.
True, if they ever even get big enough to be bought out
Mixer happened. Owned my Microsoft. No one clicked on Mixer links. No more Mixer.
TH-cam and twitch DO have competition…eachother
A true race to the bottom
@@Tupadre97 EXACTLY. They're counting on their monopoly status to just keep trying to tempt each other to squeeze more and more pennies out of both their streamers and their viewers.
Love it when I'm watching someone play a game in a critical moment and 7 ads pop out of nowhere
I discovered the world of twitch about 4 years ago, I always felt out of place as someone who recently joined. Just about everything they have done since I have been on their seems to hurt the content creators. It is impossible to browse to start with and with the pre roll ads I gave up looking for creators. I even left the streamers I had watched because I would get 10 ads in a row causing me to miss content. Coincidently important parts. At this time I’ve completely left the website… I see no reason to watch content there over TH-cam. 🤷🏻♂️
have to agree with all those points
VODs on TH-cam baybeeeeeeee
In all seriousness same I watch uploaded VODs on TH-cam which can limit your watching because some streamers don't even do that. And if it's something copy written or unable to be uploaded since twitch basically no longer allows you to keep your VODs that stream is gone.
You know 90% of the time it's the creator running the ads right? I can't remember the exact timings but twitch auto runs one set of ads every 40 or 60 minutes or something. Certain bigger creators I watched were running ads every round or a game or ten minutes etc because they make so much money from them.
@@FruitsaladOSRS I understand that. I was referencing an experience I had with a streamer of 3 viewers, not a partner or affiliate. Right when they got to the ending of a game I got served 10 back to back un-skipable ads by twitch.
@@darkconceptgaming yeah don't get me wrong I'm not out here trying to defend twitch, they should give you an option to defer ads or something and watch them later when the games have ended idk
As a small time streamer who just reached affiliate level a few months ago (and worked really hard for it) this news is so damn discouraging. I love how Twitch has connected me with so many cool people, but the company itself is a garbage fire.
From one affiliate to another, the Twitch Affiliate program is a total joke. You work hard for it, and all you get is ads on your stream in exchange for "wow you can have your own emotes now!" It's all a ploy to monetize small streamers as soon as possible while keeping them around for as long as possible by dangling the carrot on a stick of eventual Partnership. I'm strongly considering opting out of Affiliate or just switching to TH-cam.
It’s a garbage system I was very happy to hit it too. Now that twitch is being a dumb fuck I’ve given up
getting affiliate is incredibly simple.................. lets not pretend like its hard work.
@@JMcAfreak the program is a joke because it requires very little to get in. super easy to hit affiliate.
@@karllhungus2681 some people struggle with it a lot. There’s people out there who take years to get it. Some people don’t have good tech for it, don’t stream popular categories with a lot of viewers, etc. Its situational.
The amount of times I’ve clicked off a stream immediately because of a preroll ad is astronomical. Even with streamers I usually like watching
Same, I just watch someone's uploaded Vod to throwawayyoutubechannel123
And it don't help that they bypass ad blockers.
Yeah i just wait until the vods are posted on here tbh
Nothing worse than watching a pro league steam and getting an ad mid fight. Their ad scheme has put me off completely
@@thomasdr08 That ad scheme would sting a little less if streamers were allowed to roll ads during breaks or at the end of the stream after they sign off for the night similar to how a TV station rolls its ads, as that wouldn't be detrimental to the content, hate to say it, but how it handles ads are one thing traditional TV got right vs. some of the streaming platforms that are out currently, because ideally it wouldn't be detrimental to whatever's being broadcast, that and if you recorded your program on, say, a DVR or even a VCR to get a little older, you can easily just fast-forward past them, vs. YT's unskippable ads which are thankfully taken care of by ad blockers because YT hasn't designed their ads to bypass ad blockers, or Twitch's pre-roll ads which are both unskippable and unblockable by general-purpose ad blockers like Ublock and that need a special ad blocker for Twitch.
if youtube fixed its live chat, i’d love to just have everybody move to youtube
wait did youtube make live chat better?
I think during Linus' livestream he had an interesting theory which was that companies were over-hiring because they didn't want them going over to other competition and are only now firing them
Like retaining all the good lawyers so that they are not available to your rival.
that’s exactly what happened with google, they made up whole new jobs for people and then realised they can’t afford that anymore
Oh look they just hired another thousand people theres more growth to come lets invest more! Meanwhile tech companies take all skills and new ideas of new motivated people and just sort out the most cost effective....
Lol watch twitch sign a contract with TH-cam or someshit after purposely getting rid of half or more of their fanbase just so they have the same amount of money coming in with less work.....🤫
i think the best thing any content platform can do is have a board of creators who help them make decisions
I'd rather one ran by a union formed by creators, but that's too communist I suppose
No , the community as a whole voice they’re opinion not every TH-camr is correct
So....like a Union?
They tired that before. They somehow fucked it up.
Didn't they try that for something already? I remember there being something about a safety board with a deerkin or something like that
The moment youtube brings solutions to improve as a streaming platform twitch is going to get a reality check real quick
YT's biggest issue is discovering a streamer. anyone checking out YT will never see a streamer. Never ever found a streamer organically. Every section except the front page of YT is a copy of your subscriptions page just shuffled order. If I said to anyone go find a streamer you can't find them by list or search . Only if you happen to know about YT gaming or see them on the front page. Even then it's not in a side menus.
@@Mr.Unacceptable real
They will talk and do the same procedure it’s google and and Amazon if one does it the other will follow their will not be competition between them
TH-cam has been doing livestreaming for a while. At this point, they've tried enough things to realize streaming isn't actually profitable for them, so they do the bare minimum. I think people are delusional in thinking companies are clamoring to serve the livestream community out of love. It's all about money at the end of the day, and livestreaming is simply not profitable. If Amazon didn't buy Twitch, Twitch would have been in trouble a long time ago. Twitch is *still* not profitable.
Lets hope they can
You really just have to love when Charlie puts the big businesses over his knee and proceeds to properly spank them
It's pretty normal for the employees to not know if they are fired yet. I work for a tech company and the layoffs were announced in December but we are still waiting to find out who is laid off. Amazon is doing a lot of cuts like closing the Digital Photography Review site altogether so it makes sense that the layoffs came from amazon.
Yep. Same shit when I worked in the IT department for a multinational bank. Rumors circulate, sometimes the company will even make an announcement but not specify who. It's infuriating, really. At one of my previous roles, they called an "all-hands meeting" and herd all the people to be laid off into a separate room. Then they would not tell anyone in the other rooms that the others were laid off until after the fact. I just barely got to say goodbye to (some) of the coworkers I liked. I had about 30 minutes from the moment I stepped outside that conference room to get all my shit and leave, all while some fuck face in a suit stood over my shoulder.
@@CrizzyEyes Isnt that illegal tho? Like they didnt fire you they just laid you off the company so wouldnt that mean theyre not allowed to just give you 30 minutes to pack all your shit and go?
@@SnowMexicann No idea where you live, but employment laws vary in the US. Here in Texas, where I live, at-will employment is law, which means you can be let go for any time at any reason. I received a severance package, which only makes things more confusing. Why all the theater and shady atmosphere just to give me severance after? Why treat me like a criminal? I just don't get it.
@@CrizzyEyes fr, they probably think if they just get it over and done with and lay people as quick as possible nobody will talk about it or smn
Same thing just happened to me, worked in IT, just got laid off with zero warning, nobody at work knows if they’re next.
I've been a part of hiring bloat that got laid off before. It sucks, but it's hard to notice you're in that chopping block until you realize you've been doing very little actual work for a few months and things are... too quiet. You get to this point where all the initial critical projects you were hired to jump in and work on are complete, and ever since then, you've been doing a comfortable level of busywork with the assumption that you and your fellow hires will be called upon next time a big project comes around. But that state is too good to be true, and too comfortable to last.
If you ever find yourself in a situation where you have actual time to slack off, watch out. You are extra fat that's ripe for trimming. Enjoy the work-life balance while you can, but for the sake of your paycheck, you'd better start either priming that resume (if you don't like the company) or purposefully seeking opportunities to take on daily critical tasks outside your job description (if you do like the company).
Always remember that when you're part of a mass layoff, many of your middle-managers will get laid off too, and oftentimes they will find new jobs before you. Making friends and being respectful and dependable is an absolute golden lifeline after a layoff, cause you never know who might've just been hired at a new company and is being asked, "Do you know anyone who you'd want to come work for your new team?"
This advice is golden
Good comment, good advice. Cheers mate, wishing you well in your future prospects.
A streamer I watch was offered a good 100 smackeroons for 8 minutes of ads. it's crazy man. if TH-cam improved discoverability on their site and just generally overhauled the livestreaming section, I guarantee they would become a much much larger threat to Twitch than they are now.
How about going to the bathroom for 4 minutes 2 times per hour?
Nobody loses content and no one is pissed of by ads
@@riccardodellorto4267 how much do you shit dude? It seems to be flowing into your comments
@@riccardodellorto4267 Going to the bathroom for 4 minutes 2 times per hour? So you have to force yourself to piss and shit on command? Are you fucking serious? 80% of the stream would be bathroom breaks. You think people have a lot to do to kill time at home?
I genuinely though tha article at like 4:16 was a meme someone made to make fun of twitch
I'd love to stream on youtube but I just hate the way TH-cam is laid out for streaming... Maybe it's me and that I haven't spent a ton of time but like, how are you really meant to find streamers on youtube? It feels like you'll only have viewers if you already have a following to begin with. The entire stream tab seems hidden and even when you click it, a lot of the stuff just seems like weird pre recorded videos.
That preroll point is 100% correct. I've done that very thing. It feels like I'm being exploited for giving someone a chance
Since the tech bloat about 100,000 people have been laid off, I unfortunately was a part of that, I was a coder for a company that was bought out and dismantled by Knox so he is mad spot on!
at my tech job people were getting fired left and right around me. and they made up the dumbest shittiest reasons too lol
pov me looking for natty plank's job
@@Seinsmelled ??
@@Seinsmelled take your pills
@@sigmamale4147I don't think pills alone would do the job.😐
as an youtube/twitch editor the reacts feature is actually cool because clipping 8 hour streams is easier when you know which parts got which reaction
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How often do people actually use said feature though? I personally have never and didn't even know what it did until now
To be honest I don't even know where to find that feature in my dashboard.
I’m convinced now that even if TH-cam and Twitch had competition, it wouldn’t make anything better because that competition would eventually be bought out by companies that will run them into the ground too.
TH-cam and Twitch have had competition and every time they either sabotage the company through various means or hire the employees and leaders as staff.
That is, if the company itself doesn't get ran into the graveyard by poor management.
I mean hell, youtube and twitch themselves were the competition until they were bought by google and amazon respectively.
I dont understand how twitch takes 50% of subs, has 40% markup on bits, and so many ads but say that they havent been profitable.I would love to see a breakdown of where all that money is going.
I love just watching as Twitch slowly falls apart. It's truely a sight.
Amazing how it hasn't taken a death drop yet
Twitch is fine for small streamers though
How did it even start?
@@EpicBlackflame07 lol no it fucking isn't.
It truly boggles my mind to think that even with a subscription, even through donations, if a streamer isn't partnered or sponsored then the chance of them making as much money from streaming as you would think is extremely low. I always assumed with all the donations and subscribers they would make a pretty good buck from streaming, until now. I genuinely can't even use Twitch because of the ads and both the website and the app destroying my devices. TH-cam is looking real good lately, let's just hope their new CEO doesn't go down the Twitch route.
things so far do seem to be improving a bit since then with the monetization policy change
Lol youtube is ass just in a slightly different way. Or do you forget the recent scathing reviews of them?
@@Astroqualia it’s more of a lesser evil type of deal
@@Astroqualia did you seemingly forget how youtube gives you 70/30 splits while twitch used to have that but changed it to 50/50
The policy team under the new CEO loosened restrictions on profanity. I hope that's a sign that things are going in the right direction, not because more profanity is inherently good, but because it was the overwhelming opinion of the community that the profanity guidelines were way too strict and that opinion was listened to.
it sucks how big companies can do stupid stuff like this and basically get away with it because they don't care at all unless there's an equally big company threatening them
Amerikkkan capitalism at its finest, baby. Yall mommy and daddy and grammy and grampy voted for this
@@BusinessSkrub LMAO it’s rare spotting a based soul in TH-cam comments ❤🙂
@@BusinessSkrub lmao, there’s nothing capitalistic about modern America. It is a corporatocracy through and through, and twitch is a subsidiary of one of the major contributors to a corporatocratic America: Amazon.
@@BusinessSkrub compared to Russia or China where they don't even pay you a working wage but hey if you like earning $0.10 per phone or per whatever thing you're making go on with that then see if you can afford food
@@BusinessSkrubyour parents and grandparents too buddy 😂
as a small twitch streamer myself, it’s incredibly hard to even just gain and maintain viewers let alone getting paid for it. twitch rolling out the worst fucking updates just adds on more pressure for small creators. thank you so much charlie for addressing this issue 💕
It's just Live TV at this point. Half hour programs are 24-27min. Hour long shows are 47-50min.
Welcome to television kid. You're a star!
I've used Twitch since 2013-2014, and it genuinely has been very disheartening seeing the platform begin to rise at the start, only to fall so far. My favorite streamer is MOONMOON, and in his ~7 years of streaming, he hasn't taken a sponsor or run an ad because he purely wants his stream to just be him and gameplay, no other shit that's become so meta on Twitch nowadays. Rather, he's relied solely on Twitch subscriptions to make his money. Every change Twitch makes feels like it's shitting on streamers like that, who stream for the love of it, and only benefits corporate streamers.
Happens to the best of them. Heartbreaking.
@@patrickhenry2342 I've used Twitch since 2013-2014, and it genuinely has been very disheartening seeing the platform begin to rise at the start, only to fall so far. My favorite streamer is MOONMOON, and in his ~7 years of streaming, he hasn't taken a sponsor or run an ad because he purely wants his stream to just be him and gameplay, no other shit that's become so meta on Twitch nowadays. Rather, he's relied solely on Twitch subscriptions to make his money. Every change Twitch makes feels like it's shitting on streamers like that, who stream for the love of it, and only benefits corporate streamers.
@@TsubasaAnimations
Homie really told it again, respect
@Patrick Henry sorry, let me leave a better comment for a penguinz0 video- so glad that Jesus Christ came down to enlighten us on how shitty Twitch is, without him I never would have been able to figure it out
Pretty much the same here, on Twitch since 2013 but it changed so much in a bad way that now I just support FFZ and Twitch ad blocker or people that creates tools to watch sub only vods for free. I'll never going back to give my money to Twitch again, the real losers are the streamers and that's sad but there is no way I'm supporting the destruction of what was a good place to be.
A small twitch streamer that’s really good at it recently came out saying he was finally making enough on twitch consistently, so he quit his job and being a streamer is his career now.
This was a month ago.
Hearing this news sent my heart to my stomach, that’s just horrible news for these streamers.
This sounds like SWOL.
But ti could be many different people.
@@Caveman787 nah, his names Thejonathon. He does genshin gameplay.
Super sweet and humble guy.
Everything will always be about ads, ads are only going to get worse, in a few years it’s going to be an hour of ads and 30min of content
the ads are especially egregious and its only getting worse. I feel like this is not talked about enough, but twitch constantly forces ads on its users, bricks adblockers and tries to make the ad placement themselves even more frequent. There are now image banner ads that pop up below the player when you watch a stream, on top of the random adbreaks, and prerolls. On top of that, their ads are random, the amount is random, and they take up an inane amount of GPU resources. Its all cancer and no one should stand for that crap
@@patrickhenry2342 this is a youtube comment, not an email. I'll write as long as I want. Also, who asked you?
I would guess twitch assigns a good amount of staff just to work on "screwing" ad blockers
@@patrickhenry2342Just because your attention span is the same size as your dick doesn't mean everyone else is as small minded :)
As someone with slow wifi, I watch most streams at 480pish or less, but the ads force themselves to be at such a high quality it takes a 1minute ad into almost 5 minutes.
@@toradall8143 thank you for adding that, I forgot to mention the network resources it takes to even download the ads to begin with, it’s all just a slap in the viewer’s face
The worst part for me is definitely the fact that Twitch holds your channel hostage as an affiliate. You either run 3m of ads per hour and anger your current viewers, OR they run Pre-Rolls on your channel and kill your new viewership potential. I would honestly prefer to not run ads at all! I get nothing from them as a small streamer anyways, so what's the point!
TH-cam needs to give this man an exclusive streaming deal!
Haven't watched a moistcritikal stream in years because of Twitch. A move to TH-cam would be hugely welcome for me
ya i never watch twitch so i never see when he's live but if he was on yt i'd for sure watch him, hope he streams here
I wish but charlie has always been pretty stubborn and hes made it clear hes not moving, but if twitch forces his hand then maybe
Yeah I would watch his streams more if he streamed on TH-cam instead of the dumpster fire that is twitch.
My friend has said there is a way around ads but you have to switch streams when an ad starts playing and sometimes he said you have to switch stream a few times before you get a stream and not ads. Crazy.
I don't get why youtube doesnt "seperate" their streams from regular yt like yt shorts. They would blow out twitch so fast
Because they don't understand their own platform and want to stick with what's safe, aka making the platform as ad-friendly as possible
They're probably going to at this point
@@onetrueronin that’d be the best business decision at this point
he's expecting the NFT man to know how to do that
They are trying to compete against tik tok with their shorts, they don't care about streaming
As someone just trying to dip their toes into streaming, it definitely sucks being tripped before even getting off the starting line.
Pre-roll ads are what killed Twitch for me.
Clicking through streams to see what's going on, and getting multiple ads EACH TIME is insane. It just makes it easier to not bother watching than to find a stream.
The other day I got 8 ads in a row 30 seconds each smh
Twitch and Netflix are competing to see who can completely sabotage themselves first
Twitch seriously needs to listen to their community.
Otherwise, they'll lose both streamers and viewers. And double down on a bad idea doesn't make it better nor worth it.
Edit: Knock on wood that they scrap this 50/50 plan here.
Twitch kept growing and asserting his dominance year after year , ppl think that twitch is losing but in reality its growing more and more , while youtube is struglling against facebook gaming , its the nvidia or apple situation ,no matter how much the other product will be , the consumers will stick with those blindly , and that why twitch or nvidia always get out victorious even with shity service
@@alaa341g Glad someone said this. Charlie has made several videos before on the buffoonery twitch has done, but it still is going strong despite years of people complaining about the service. It's not going to just stop because people complain, especially when said people continue to use its services regardless.
they will when people start a mass exodus to youtube lol .
I hope Twitch falls.
“ we’re going to make a stupid decision and anyone who doesn’t agree… well, we don’t care anyway” so stupid
I used to watch twitch nearly every day back in 2015-2018, but the viewer experience got worse and worse until finally I just stopped using the platform altogether. It's unbelievable how successful they've been at destroying their platform.
If youtube really wanted to, they could work on their live interface and make it more user friendly. They would likely be able to increase their power in the streaming scene and become a much better competitor to twitch.
Imagine this: Twitch makes it so ads never auto-run on streams with less than 150 viewers.
This means when ads are run on larger broadcasts when people leave they'll naturally be more likely to go to smaller streams.
They don't have allot of ways to funnel people to smaller streamers which they really need to figure out. This could be that much less friction in the process
This also naturally pushes more channels to that monetization point. Isn't that like their whole MO these last couple years?
You could push that down even further. I generally max out at 10 or so viewers per stream, so building a community is even harder given the market saturation. Folks my size would benefit from capping that number at around 40 viewers.
No good ideas allowed!
That's terrible business lol
@@Glanzern not really lmao
@@Bl4n if it wasn't then Netflix wouldn't cancel all their shitty shows haha. Why would twitch want to drive viewers to most likely bad streamers?
It's unlikely but I hope Kick succeeds to some considerable margin, because Twitch really needs some competition in order to get a reality check.
Yeah I think some people will just move over especially bigger streamers since the money loss will be immense by sticking with twitch.
Kik is a garbage app, what are you taking about?
Same thought. I know people are hating on Kick because of Train and Adin, but I genuinely hoping for them to succeed. Twitch need a serious competition
Sadly it is being run by Trainwreck who is a) an asshole b) an idiot c) a greedy narcissist while also being funded by Stake which is a) a greedy company b) objectively evil c) not adept at creating a streaming platform.
So chances of success lookin’ sus.
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Leslie needs to give a class on sponsorships for streamers. Most sponsored streamer woman who turned her stream/brand friendliness into a multimillion YT contract.
First the ads take over in the payments: then the adds demand content be "compliant to regulation" that the adds demand. sounds like Twitch is killing off "non-conformant" content
You really hit the nail on the head with the ads from a viewers perspective. It's even getting so bad that a streamer I regularely watch has the word 'ad' or 'ads' being deleted with an automated message respond that he can't do anything about it. And yes whenever I get a notification from a twitch streamer, I think well I'll watch them now instead of youtube but you get slapped in the face with five 30second ads. And I'm back to YT again.
Little tip; I found that if you cast a stream (to chromecast for example), you get very few to no ads. Don't know if that has been fixed in the last few days but yeah
Twitch: "Hello, I like money!"
Literally everyone: "What inspired you to make another stupid choice knowing youre already ticking everyone off?"
Twitch: "Money!"
Updates and things of that nature really just happen to justify someone’s job. Most new features companies come up with don’t happen because people ask for them, they happen because some developer/engineer said “ I think this is what people want.” When the customers actually say they want a certain feature, developers say “they don’t want that feature, what they really want is this.” Which is something no customer asked for
One of the reason i cant bear to use twitch is the absurd amount of unskippable ads. Its just painful
If a bunch of big streamers got together, you could probably mass migrate to a different platform without losing much viewership.
It already happened with several content-creators. Valkyrae for a few years, Sykkuno, LilyPichu, Fuslie, Myth
@@DorneysHouseofGames Not to mention more recently Aidan Ross, Kai Cenat etc
I’ve never seen someone so consistently dead in the eyes and yet so incomprehensibly charismatic.
The makings of a great cult leader
@@HandleToBeDeterminedthe start of….. Jim…… Pickens……
@@HandleToBeDetermined He already has the Jesus part down. 😂😂😂
@@Steviehelen not the basement jim, please, not the basement
@@Steviehelen wtf I have the "Can you survive never allowing your Sim go above ground" in my next tab to watch after this lol
The moment they banned the 2 Time back to back 1993...1994 Blockbuster Video game Championship....I was out
At this point, streaming platforms are literally just battling each other to see which one is the worst
Getting banned from Twitch was unironically the best thing to ever happen to me lol moving to TH-cam quadrupled my average stats on streams 💀💀💀
it's become a usual problem when companies focus on profit rather than the robustness or quality of their product or platform and start to hire more people for marketing departments, sometimes assigning them to product design, less hiring or even kicking out technical departments.
Technical departments look bad on a spreadsheet. This lesson is just too hard to learn for managers, especially ones that come from a finance or investment background. They see red number, think scary bad, and fire hundreds of people. They literally think that the money just goes into a hole and no value comes out of it because they didn't do the work to study how much value the work they do on the product or service is worth.
1:02 i noticed that button while watching one of dan salvato's streams and i used it a total of 0 times.
Twitch has become the biggest drama farm on the internet for no good reason. I can’t remember the last time there has been 2 weeks without any drama from Twitch specifically.
it’s like live kardashians to streamers even game anymore
I get that they want to push ads to make money but damn this really is killer as it is. I hope Twitch finds a way to operate without continuing to push the community away. It feels like Twitch is really digging it's own grave.
I have to say, I dont really watch Charlie that much. But as I scroll through my recommended videos, I see nothing but click bait video thumbnails. I appreciate Charlie for having a simple thumbnail. It feels relaxing
Clickbait titles though.
@@kushantaiidan still you are here though.
It’s crazy because Im a turbo user I haven’t seen ads in a minute but it really annoys me that people don’t even know about turbo because twitch isn’t promoting it and its like $14/ a month
When things happen like this because of people like the Twitch execs you got to hit them where it hurts, their wallets. The best way to do that is to either stop watching twitch or for the twitch streamers to move on to different platforms and tell their audience about their move.
That's exactly what I was thinking. Hell, even those who are held by contract can go on strike. I feel if any big streamer like, idk, Pokimane, came out and said "I'm not going back to Twitch until this is handled", this thing wouldn't make it past a months
That doesn't cut it. To hurt Twitch you need to give streamers an incentive to go elsewhere. No professional streamer is going to destroy their own monthly income just to flip the finger at twitch.
Issue is big streamers can swallow a 20% reduction since they're loaded at the end of the day regardless, there's not much incentive for them to risk even more money loss by switching to a different platform. The people this change is hurting are regular streamers
Yeessss
Even before the 50/50 revenue split I found the prevalence of ads to be pretty overwhelming on Twitch. I'll generally sit through a preroll, but once I'm watching a stream an ad-break will definitely get me to back out. (The exception is if I'm watching a VOD since I don't miss content with ad breaks in VODs; with a live stream I'm missing content while twiddling my thumbs to the ads.) Ultimately, these days I really only watch Twitch if I sub to the streamer since that's the way to avoid the ad experience. Congratulations to the two channels I sub to, lol.
That said, my viewing habits have drifted more in the TH-cam direction anyway. It's easier for me to consume a video game playthrough with a series on YT than to dig up Twitch VODs. And once you start watching a playthrough where the content creator is fully focused on the game, not splitting attention between game and chat, it's hard to go back to watching livestreams anyway.
I think the reason why Twitch is so disconnected, might also be a product of them thinking they are still the largest streaming platform without competitors so they just think they'll get away with anything they put on people
The problem with ads is that you miss out on big moments. Streamers do not pause their content when running an ad. TV shows are paused when ads are shown. What works for tv doesnt work for live streaming.
“unlike the college student, twitch isn’t drunk. they’re just stupid.” utter poetry