I see mystical depth with Paul. I see Christian error in his condemnation of the effeminate and homosexuals. I see Christian theology, the Jesus story regarding salvation. Obviously, these components are incompatible with each other. I see him as a mystic. As for the other two components, they are the result of tampering with his writings. Gospel verses that Christianize those writings are the result of tampering, or possibly the result of different writers. There is definitely a lack of continuity paradigmatically.
Both are true. The word explains that eyes are opened to see a truth. But one rdceives by confession. With the first portion of faith this is a quickenjng of the heart. Righteousness is a quickening of the soul. A confession of righteousness when made in faith will so change (convert) you, your actions will change. Technically, there are 7 steps, but no one would want to reduce fsith to steps. Although David revealed this when telling that Uzza had gone only 6 steps. Uzza needed more before touching the throne.
I suppose Paul saw "the day towers fall" and "the day of bricks and mortar." Eighteen is the traditional number of wisemen or cabinet working in the gate tower. The temple was dedicated with no access to the spirits of God. Paul knew what time it was. Israel was about to be destroyed.
I think Paul's claims that people were healed simply by touching his cloak or the ability to supersede John the Baptist symbolic water baptism by his own baptism in the Holy Spirit is clear evidence that Paul was a narcissistic heretic who had his own theology. He based his self conceived religion on the life of Jesus with a great deal of success and I have no doubt that he is still patting himself on the back as the legions of hell are spanking his ass 😂😂😂😂
@@ObjectiveEthics He was an infiltrator sent to sabotage the true believers, followers and teachings of Christ the Lord and exactly the same fraud we are seeing with today's so called Christian and religious leadership and all their so called churches.
Paul was a Jew Pharisee, sent to corrupt and separate the Israelites from their God. Jews are not Israelites, they are hybrid mamzers of Esau, the enemies of Israel. The Israelites are separate, the mamzers are outside the kingdom and will never be sheep. Sorry
Great content here! I love studying the early church. Since most of today's Christians are followers of Paul, it's a really important topic in studying how we got where we are. I recommend watching at 150% speed, though. Dr. Tabor is a slow talker.
Modern day Christianity is very much the product of the Roman. Repackaged and humanised. Even the Gospels are translation from Hebrew to Greeks to Latin and to modern day English in 1600s. Much of the original message is lost in politically divided translation.
I had the opportunity to first hear Dr. Tabor speak in Houston on the dead sea scrolls along with Dr. Robert Eisemann at Rice University. Have read many of his books. A very respectable scholar.
The best advice I have ever received is from Paul in ll Timothy 2:15 “ Study to show thyself approved unto God a workman that need not be ashamed , RIGHTLY DIVIDING THE WORD OF TRUTH . When we read the Bible , keep in mind , who is writing and who is the intended audience
And to understand that everything in the bible is not literal but can be allegorical. Separate lies from the words of Truth by comparing line upon line precept upon precept. It's obvious the NT is a mess of contradict because people think the gospels were literal instead of allegorical.
Paul’s announcement or gospel: Jesus died, was raised from the dead, ascended into heaven, and will return very soon ushering in the kingdom of God. Of course, he was wrong, but I think he really believed it at the time.
If this was gospel “Jesus dying in the cross and resurrecting) how could Jesus Himself have preached it? He had met died or resurrected yet. Mark 1:15 “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand. Repent, and believe in the gospel.”
What I wanna know is, if Paul was really being taught by Jesus in these visions, why was he wrong about the transformation of the cosmos happening during his lifetime?
It seems they all were wrong. I don't think any New Testament author thought it wouldnt happen in their lifetime or shortly afterwards. I would suggest even Jesus himself speculated it would happen shortly. However am I fair in saying that though they "thought" it would happen in their lifetime, none of them (save for some possibly seeming explicit statement in the gospels by Jesus, but these may have alternate meanings) ever gave outright statements claiming when it would happen. None said it will and must happen in our lifetime or shortly afterwards. It was more their opinion and thought and they were careful not to write a definite time.
There have been some red flags raised for me regarding this Saul/Paul. 1. In Acts 9:3-5, Saul claims that while on the road to Damascus to persecute Christians, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him, then he falls to the ground and hears a voice say to him, “Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?” and that he then answers, "who are you, Lord?” “I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting,” 2. Later In Acts 9:18, Ananias says to Saul, “Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus who appeared to you on the road as you were coming here "has sent me" so that you may see again and be filled with the Holy Spirit and at that instant something like "scales" fell from Saul’s eyes and his sight was restored, then got up and was baptized. 3. Saul/Paul and Ananias never had proof or witnesses that it was Jesus Who appeared nor that it was Jesus Who spoke to them either, while interesting that the only thing with scales are reptiles (snakes). 4. Jesus said to His apostles in John 14: 19, "Yet a little while, and the world see me no more and in John 16:10, "I go to the Father and you no longer see Me" and finally... 5. in Acts 1:9, after He had said these things and in the presence of only His Apostles, He was lifted up while they were looking on and a cloud received Him out of their sight. So ask yourselves how is it then that eight chapters later this Saul is seeing and hearing from the Lord? 6. In Matthew 24:23-24, Jesus clearly warned, "If anyone says to you, ‘look, here is the Christ’ or ‘there He is’ do not believe it. For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders that would deceive even the elect, if that were possible." Therefore, Jesus isn't going to be appearing to anyone concealed within some flashing light from or claiming to be Him either, while the only return He'll be making will be at the second coming, when He's coming with clouds and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him and all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him.
@@nmHispana you seem to be a genuine Truth seeker. What Saul saw was the "light bringer", who can only distort, and twist and seed confusion... that is why there are so many different flavors of christianity. While the gospel of the kingdom that Yeshua thought was simple and should be unifying. Have faith, he will come back as promised, but since we are now in the 6th seal period we have rough days ahead... There are not so many true believers out there (and especially not organised, I know very little organised sects that reject Saul/Paul)
Even when I was a believer, I thought Paul felt like a classic con-man. All of his writings have the feel of a layer of slime over them, really deceptive. I don't understand why people like him so much.
I don't know what to say other than he didn't seem slimy to me? What con? What was the con? His message seemed to be, the Kingdom of God is coming, Jesus has been made Lord, and we await inheriting eternal life and authority by being faithful to love others as ourselves and loving God with all our hearts by acknowledging Jesus and his teachings/message by obeying them in faith. What con???
@@youngknowledgeseeker the old "I will do whatever it takes, including pretending I'm something I'm not in order to get what I want. Oh, by the way, can I have some money?" He even does it in the grossest way possible with the "I'm not forcing you, I'm testing your love, those guys over there were good enough, are you?" Its no surprise he got his teeth kicked in on multiple occasions.
@@bouncycastle955 now this is just your feeling right? Like it's your feeling that he's a con man, not a fact? Is it possible that when he said that he would do whatever it takes that he meant that he doesn't mind adapting to cultural norms of the area so long as they don't clash with the teaching of Jesus in order to facilitate preaching? Is it possible what he wanted was as easy of a time for people to hear the gospel as well as the easiest of a time to be able to preach it? Is it also possible he was honestly collecting money for charity, specifically for the Jews actually, he wanted to take the money back for the poor Jewish Christians in Jerusalem. Obviously both of us can't prove any of these things, however all I'm asking is is this possible.
@@youngknowledgeseeker if the best you can do for the popularizer of your religion is that it's not logically impossible that he _wasn't_ a con-man... oh boy... It's just interesting that he has exactly the same playbook as the biggest Christian con-men in the business today.
@@bouncycastle955 It's very disappointing and frustrating when I ask a simple yes or no question and you purposefully avoid it and don't answer. It's a gigantic red flag for me. So, ok then, bye and nice talking to you until this point.
What I like about Tabor is that the guy just doesn't give a fuck, lmao. No matter what you ask, he'll talk about whatever he wants, for however long he wants, and his interviewers are always powerless to stop him.
My biggest problems with Paul are twofold. Firstly, he enshrined many the norms that made it possible for Christians to align themselves with social and political Conservatism. Secondly, he just comes through as a horrible person. Look at Gal 2: "But when Peter came to Antioch, I opposed him in public, because he was clearly wrong. Before some men who had been sent by James arrived there, Peter had been eating with the Gentile believers. But after these men arrived, he drew back and would not eat with the Gentiles, because he was afraid of those who were in favor of circumcising them. The other Jewish believers also started acting like cowards along with Peter; and even Barnabas was swept along by their cowardly action. When I saw that they were not walking a straight path in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter in front of them all, “You are a Jew, yet you have been living like a Gentile, not like a Jew. How, then, can you try to force Gentiles to live like Jews?” Just imagine the sort of person who would humiliate and embarrass a leader of a community in such a way - openly and in front of everyone, in front of the very people who follow and respect him, moreover, write all of this down in case someone didn't get it through gossip! I never hated anyone so intensely to even consider doing something this nasty to him!
100% agreed. I also like your latter point about Peter in Gal 2, brilliant point. Paul single-handedly managed to scam billions of mindless-drones... in fact so successfully that people (i.e., Pauline Christians) still fall for the grift. It's befuddling.
paul was a self professed liar and proud of it. he declared himself an apostle even when the requirements for being one (acts) didn't fit him. His claims of seeing, being taught, and appointed by Jesus were verified by no-one. he couldn't even get his own story straight. God is not the author of chaos and paul's 'gospel is nothing but. Jesus said 'I come from my father who sent Me and you do not believe but there is one that will come after me that you will believe.'
Tabor attempts to understand the (various) messages of Chrsitianity as part of his reasearch while many scholars unfortunately skip over this. To fully understand the history one cannot skip the messages!
I believe that the story of Saul/Paul started from Luke 18:9-22:30 I believe both Saul, the self righteous pharisee, and Zacchaeus, the tax collector- both sinners in different ways, were there, and due to his short size, Zacchaeus could only listen, but not able to see Jesus, due to the crowd, which got him up the sycamore tree, to get a glimpse of who has been teaching, and he also must have heard the discourse between Jesus and the rich young ruler (Saul/Paul). This prompted him to offer to give half of his goods to the poor, etc. Both of them were touched, but it took Saul longer to humble himself, and Jesus even bided him some time to dispose of his worldly riches and then "follow" Him. Luke 18:22. Jesus then began to talk about His death because He had completed bringing together, His desciples, all His sheep were in the fold at last John 10:16,27,28. (This "eternal life" must have caught his attention). Saul's story actually spanned the 18th and 19th chapters of Luke. He was the self-righteous pharisee, and Zachaeus was the humble guy. That was why their story ran side by side. Jesus Christ really came to seek and to save that which was "lost" indeed 19:10! "Son of sorrow," becoming son of "His right hand" ". Showing the immense grace to be revealed to Jews and the nations through him, a very good epitome of a grace recipient. The more reason he recognized by referring to Jesus Christ as "Lord...", (no longer as just "master") in acts 9, when he was knocked down from his high horse- so to speak, and became a grain of corn that fell to the ground, that would on towards, bring for fruit abundantly.
Surely Paul was giving: "The School of Hillel" doctrine, rather than Jesus, (Hillel died around the birth of Jesus). Paul "Studied at the feet of Gamaliel", (the Grandson of Hillel). Opposite The School of Hillel was Shammai. Students of Shammai murdered some of Hillel. Unless you know this, which is VERY well known to current Jews studying The First Century, you have no context. Hillel and Shammai were the last of six pairs called Zugots. I believe Paul pushed his Hillel learning, passing it off as Jesus's teachings.
@@ritawing1064 To me the period from The Maccabees, to the Talmud, a period of 150 years, was like the decade of the Sixties in London, and America. Jesus was in the middle of this explosion of Jewish thought. No one realises that: "The Mind of God", is fought for in any Judaism Ruling body, such as the Sanhedrin. Arguing in that period was normal, NOT a sign of hate, but debate. The core of the Shammai School, was strict observance to The Laws of Moses: so: "An Eye for an Eye". Jews had other Books of their Law, that Christians have no idea of. Obviously, The Jewish Law, and The Roman Law, came in conflict. The Hillel School was: "Turn the other Cheek", which is said to be The Aural Teachings of Moses, (passed on by word and mouth), the Talmud Encyclopaedias, were finished around AD120. Things are written down, in times of fear of loss. No Student could learn from both, only one of the Zugots (pairs). However, there is The Kabbalah or Qabalah, which contained Out-of-Body Meditations, such as Rabbi Akiba, with three others. "Two Died, one lost his faith, only Akiba returned whole". It was a Meditation to the Feet of God. It is argued Jesus had the power of just such Meditations, which started by his going into the desert, then his Ministry begun. The day before "The Last Supper", Jesus went off into the Countryside to Meditate alone, but John Mark, a teenager asked to carry the food, and stuff. Jesus is said to explain the Secrets of Judaism Meditation, to John and made him promises not to tell. This raises a whole new aspect of John Mark, (whom Jesus Loved), he has his own Gospel. I therefore believe Jesus's Ministry, was built on the Essenes, Druids, India (Buddhist at that time), and the Tibet Monasteries. His Uncle was Joseph of Arimathea, possibly the richest man in the world, trading Tin amongst other goods. Follow Delores Cannon, regresses people to their passed lives. www.amazon.com/Jesus-and-Essenes-Dolores-Cannon-audiobook/dp/B07GQ587W6/ref=sr_1_1?crid=SUMJMSTEA9CW&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.tfTy3w293ca4vPg2ZWSwlhyLnJe8D4ghnHo5zL3LAxU4jnB6BOXPojKNTQTMLKbeLObBwshoKUNRav7WyfsUnrB9eWgZCR2vBz6csXEtvCEMkY-mK2EmoNLjYntbHwYR4DNDj09Hbz14i0ldblDXfKDG7bBARZjE3M-h5vvYeWxq-p1juHpn35MXZG_u5X9CGCYYrSgux8d17bt3aOIesl4BSoAOZI-p5edsBRN9oiQ.4G6_F1VCcPbVN0V8un5mlfqI-Vrg1Dts5k8BEERDRpk&dib_tag=se&keywords=Jesus-and-the-Essenes&qid=1712511318&sprefix=jesus-and-the-essenes%2Caps%2C482&sr=8-1 Akashic Records by Melissa Gomes, is a great place to begin: www.amazon.com/Akashic-Records-Spiritual-Accessing-Vibrations/dp/B09MYSV8YD/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1N37UYAE8LE80&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.FAgAZSha-pRXpU31yMvyTCMHlgZGGfu79WyrJh5ugCGQONXWn9PBw9GHeyYKVU4jWWoRXeSrEZGrypiQSVRnoQ5h7SG9pXxrpGlPbHQ10VqBQ5WQOoZq9aGJaYZFRHDt3czW6wzVgLDjL7Ly0_HNgOiF8S5DUnXYW2mYgvNRsuLPUmYJOJBn_YS8E0O4So2KTj-Uq-NctIbXAK9iccZ3Du-YukutT5qJlN7klV5LQHE.UgcXfi95jCL9ToMQLQ3-CaAmj8-usIfqOz5bQtSQscU&dib_tag=se&keywords=Akashic+Records+by+Melissa+Gomes&qid=1712509681&sprefix=akashic+records+by+melissa+gomes%2Caps%2C120&sr=8-1
@@johnkumah3095 Yes, very Jewish ideas, like all souls were in Adam when he sinned. I have found, if you consider reincarnation, that the concept fills in a lot of holes in the theology. If you take out divinity, Jewish concepts of Moshiach fit Jesus very well.
@@ezekielsaltar4728 Yes, definitely. He actually fulfils all scripture. Every answer to a scriptural question and all the goodness promised from God is found in Christ.
Dr. Tabor As always you are phenomenal You put the essence of true Judaism and the teachings of prophets, very much in line with Christianity of the early Christian movement, which Muslim scholars would agree is very much in line with the teachings of Islam At all levels theologically and how humans are to act in accordance to the Creator Worth a best seller discussing all the parallels You may want to collaborate with Ali Ataie at Zaytuna
Jacob, please be careful with your levels. The volume is low during the talk, so you turn the sound up, and very high in your outro. It physically hurts. Is there no way of checking the levels match before you bust my eardrums.
It is complicated, but what I see quite clearly is that dr. Tabor succeeds in assigning parts of the Bible to specific historical figures, refuting mythicism or any versions of it.
Paul writing about judgment and end of age and end of times and don’t marry or friends and get ur stuff right seems to either be about the destruction of Jerusalem or the coming of age of Pisces/fish/anchor from age of a Aries/lamb/sheep/sheep herders from earlier age of Taurus/bull/golden calf/ranchers which is what Moses was saying at mt Sinai. Seems logical
I concur. Reading through Paul with a fresh mind really does seem like he's just trying whatever can to build up churches. He's not afraid to say break "the Law", denigrate, criticize, boast, sarcastically grovel, and lay out his own set of rules (laws). Him being very offended in one of the Corinthians because of was accused of stealing the "contributions" (donations) was very intriguing. Made it seem like he was almost caught out for being a conman.
Jimmy, you left out "Suffered under Pontius Pilate". I mean, its missing from the book you are reading. Pontius Pilate fucking anchors the Apostle's Creed in history, Speaking as a combat crazed Vietnam vet, The Apostles Creed is the perfect soldier's confession, It is dimple, it is direct, covers all the bases, Is unadorned and without the ruffles and flourishes of the Nicene Prayer, which is the product of a committee ordered to include everyone. Your academics has a deliberate political bias and/or virtually no capacity for literature, The space between Born of the Virgin Mary and Crucified, Dead and Buried, with or without "Suffered Under Pontius Pilate" is filled by Peter's confession of Christian doctrine coming directly out of Penta cot in Acts 10:34 - 43, The mundane numerology is one of my favorite examples of the Acts of the Apostles being the playground of the Holy Spirit, 34 and 43 both reduce to 7 that, in this particular instance, operate like cosmic quotation makes: it's something God really wants you to pay attention to. Shit like this is all through the entire Bible, but especially in the Gospels becaue one of the things Jesus was trying to do was to promote the Holy Spirit as a Supernatural reality available universally, Jesus reduced the entire Jewish theory of sin to one specific error in thinking of the denial of the Holy Spirit, which is a form of suicide by a thousand cuts, self inflicted. Now, I can only speak as an individual combat crazed Vietnam vet, but "Now I Lay Me Down To Sleep" worked pretty goo under fire. If the only thing you could do was to wait it out, going to sleep was wise. For all intents and purpose, Cornelius is Quelle, The portrait of Pilate in all four gospels is based on his eyewitness testimony to each of the other versions, The written record of Jesus begins before Jesus takes command of the John the Baptist Followers and made them Jesus Followers., which the Roman soldiers from the 10 Legion referred to as Christians. The soldiers in Judea were using the term at least 9 years before it gets to Antioch and 31 years before the Jesus Followers began to adopt the slander "Christian as the Red Badge of Courage and Faith. I've known since at least Misquoting Jesus came out that the Evangelical anti-theist were preaching a phony gospel but your theory that Thessalonians was the first written record of Jesus is an example of the prestidigitation possible with the dialectical Marxism of the Jesus Seminar and Post Modern Historic Deconstruction, generally. I don't want to put you out of business, but follow your intuition to explore the intertwining of the narratives of the Gospel of Mark and the Gospel of John, using the King James translation, The Big Boys Bible in friendly literary circles.
To me, the title should be How did Man transform Christianity? According to Matthew 24:22, 31, JESUS uses the word the Elect, Romans 8:33 Paul also mentiones the Elect. I would like to know what is the difference between GODS Elect and bring a Christian? Please explain. Thank you
Elect are those named in the book from the foundations of the earth .. read Daniel 12 . And also Paul may be fake but he is also called leaven. He is very much acquainted and knows the scriptures .. he was a Pharisee.. knower of the Jewish laws . So he knew how to brilliantly twist stuff. He can say. Truth to fool you and the insert what he wants For all we know , no Paul have existed in his history . Some guys probably sat down and used that to manipulate Christian’s. Because they could not deny Jesus , for his followers knew him by word of the mouth and the already existing four testimonies . I won’t be shocked at all.
Galatians 4:24 - "Which things are an allegory". Matthew 16:6 - "Then Jesus said to them, take heed and beware the leaven of the Pharisees and Saducees." Matthew 16:11 - "How is it that you do not understand that I spake it not concerning bread, that ye should beware the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Saducees." Matthew 16:12 - "Then understood they how that he bade them not beware the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and Saducees." Hebrews 6:1 - "Therefore, leaving behind the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto Perfection." 1 Cor. 4:20 - "The Kingdom (of inspired Life) comes not in word, but in Power." Isaiah 30:7 - "Their strength is to sit still." Psalms 46:10 - "Be still and know that I am, you are, we are Life at Large, eternally actualizing infinite potential, because only Eternity can fully embrace Infinity." Exodus 14:14 - The Spirit will fight for you, and you shall hold your Peace." Isaiah 26:3 - "You (inspired Life) will keep them in perfect Peace who's Mind is staid on you." John 10:10 - "Behold, I am (Life) is come that you may have (inspired) Life, and have it more abundantly." Proverbs 15:24 - "The Way of Life is above to the Wise, that they may depart from hell below." Genesis 42:18 - "Do this and live (an inspired Life)."
The true gospel of the kingdom is that its here right now, neigh at hand for us to enter into. The kingdom comes without observation and is within you. "To WHOMEVER overcomes he will inherit ALL THINGS. I will be his God and he will be MY SON." Revelation 21:7.
@jdaze1 I was just wondering why 'scholars' seem to have no idea what the true Jesus' (non Pauline) Gospel is. The Kingdom of heaven is at hand. Repent, obey and enter the kingdom. Perhaps they avoid it due to Luke 3: 7-9. Nobody wants to talk about that one.
Goodacre’s argument is very convincing that we don’t need the Q hypothesis. However, as Dr. Tabor states here, there is no doubt that there is a body of Jesus’ sayings that are in Matthew and Luke and not in Mark. I agree with Dr. Tabor that it doesn’t much matter what we call it.
@@ncarmstron But if Matthew copied Luke or the other way round, the logical basis for thinking that there must have been a written (not oral) sayings source behind their gospels (because of the verbatim agreement) goes away, so no matter what you call it, its existence is not in any way necessitated by the texts as we have them, so it must be an additional presupposition and we should always strive to not add these if not necessary
@@notanemoprog I don’t disagree. If Matthew used an oral source for the sayings, and Luke copied Matthew, which I think is plausible, then no written source need be posited. No question. However, we still need to call these sayings something, don’t we? “The sayings of Jesus that are common to Matthew and Luke, but not in Mark” is a bit unwieldy.
@@ncarmstron No way to prove the claim that there actually were any real historical Jesus sayings in either oral or written tradition - that they were not simply invented as literature by Luke or Matthew and then copied by the other. The entire reality of "Q sayings source" is based only on accepting the dubious premise that Luke/Matthew could not have known each other and therefore "Q part" of their gospels must have predated them both. I don't think Tabor has a good response to Goodacre.
I wish Jacob would have asked further questions about Roman provenance. Prof tabor cleared Paul but that doesn’t mean his writings weren’t used for that aim. Also I believe prof tabor also has a mid 1st century date for the gospels I believe
Who the heck is Paul!!! How about only 2 or 3 disciples of the Lamb wrote in the New Testament. Luke is not Mark is not, and certainly Paul never met HIM. CHRIST says things like i tell you, let no one deceive you. He didn't speak of things like its a mystery. The Holy Spirit will lead you into all truth. Follow The Messiah who said I AM THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE. Choose Life, not any dead man. The Most High said trust NO MAN. Cursed is the man that trust in man and maketh flesh his arm... Jeremiah 17:5 Why do we still debate Paul. He is not the SAVIOUR of the world. The end.
Question? Is he saying Johns gospel was influenced by Paul? If so is he saying Johns gospel wasn’t written by the Apostles John himself? Who did know Jesus personally?
You are aware none of your Gossip (oops "Gospel") writers are known right? You are aware they are all anonymous men, none of which were eye-witness testimony, and NONE of them witnessed, knew, or SAW Jesus personally.
@@trinitybassguitar-ru6dz John has accounts no other Gospel has. Jesus’ language is drastically unique in John’s gospel. Most of all John identifies himself at the end writing it, as the one that Jesus loved. So do you doubt the validity of the scriptures?
@@trinitybassguitar-ru6dz Yeah, respectfully I see no evidence of that. I don’t know anything about John’s Gospel that’s remotely similar to Mark. I don’t know any human miracle that John told of found any where else. Jesus teachings here are found no where else, the only common miracle is the feeding of the 5000 and even it is told vastly different. The crucifixion unique, even certain disciples are made known in John but no where else. From John we learn intimately about Thomas, of two Judis’, of how Phillip & Nathanael came to Christ. Also the acknowledgment of John the baptist and his testimony speaks of someone who knew him well. No other Gospel gives us that in-depth knowledge. How could that be just added unless it’s fictional?
Ill have to meditate on that but that seems to assume too much that cant be validated. Most of all if an anonymous person said that they were ‘the one whom Jesus loved” and they were not, then the Bible can’t be trusted for the truth. Thanks for your answers.
If Jesus' message was so critical to salvation, then why didn't he write it down so the truth wouldn't be left to chance? Or did he appoint Paul to write it down because Jesus couldn't write?
Paul vs James is a false narrative. It assumes, incorrectly, that the Apostle Paul had been redeemed. from the Law when James wrote his epistle. Actually, the Crucifixion that would accomplish that redemption was still in the future. Both James and Paul talk about faith but from two drastically different perspectives. James from his day to day experiences with Jesus before the Crucifixion, and Paul, decades later, from his supernaturally derived lessons from the Ressurected Savior.
@@stevenv6463 when tovia singer explained that the Ieseus in the talmud could still be the Christian ieseus; but dated back BCE because Jews were persecuted in Europe over the talmud and all french talmuds were burned. All of the talmud is esoteric; but Jacob reads it like it's a history account
It's just unfortunate how people simply don't get Paul. Paul was a Pharisee, a student of the Law and had more knowledge about the Hebrew scriptures. He interpreted who and what Jesus is from the point of view of Hebrew scriptures. God said the Jews broke his Sinai Covenant and promised a New Covenant in Jeremiah 31:31-32. Jesus is that covenant, as the righteous servant in Isaiah, the righteous branch in Jeremiah, the Lord who's messenger of the Covenant in Malachi. As a covenant, which forms the basis of God's relationship with Men and also a means of bestowing Righteousness, Christ is the only way to God and the only one who justifies you before God. This is what Paul preached.
@6:000:00 Aha Dr Tabor: A Gentile who has found the key! This is the great reality that would unite so many from within the Abrahamic religions and their 'subsets.' Everyone hails Jesus, but none follow him. Christians (especially first world 'Christians') say they follow Jesus, but their efforts are to follow Paul. Some say they are the same, but one cannot be saved by the teachings of Paul apart from h.a.v.i.n.g. first believed into the life (teachings) of Jesus any more than post resurrection Jews can be saved by attempting to keep the tenants of the decalogue apart from faith in the Son of God~~the Word of God. Paul's teachings are a booby trap to false converts and a guide for the collective action/attitudes of the members of the body of Christ (the church). The trick is that one cannot be a member of said body solely by attempting to acquesque to WHAT THEY BELIEVE Paul teaches; which faith is what the religious institutions teach. This is the Spirit of the antiChrist.
I think mark was the 1st gospel written with insight/approval of the original 12 apostles. I think Luke comes later which is Paul/Luke’s expansion of the gospel. Then I think Mathew is written in response telling the same story as Luke but with all the corrections from the actual apostles view point. John is also written in response to Luke telling new stories that Paul/Luke didn’t know and a deeper meaning taught by Jesus. It also seems written directly towards Paul/Luke’s point of view. Acts through hebrews is written from Paul/Luke’s perspective. James through revelations is written from the original apostles point of view rebutting Paul’s ideas and again almost talking about him and his views directly without defaming him, as a good Christian would. 2 Peter is written a lot about Paul’s ideas and directly addresses him. Peter is the head of Jesus’ church. He knows Jesus told them to let the weeds grow up with wheat, that Jesus will sort them out later. Judas was amongst them and Jesus did not stop him. Peter knew to love his enemy. To forgive his enemy not 7 times but 70 times. The epistles of James, Peter, John and Jude are rebutting Paul in the most polite indirect way possible to be as truly Christian as possible the way Jesus himself taught us to be. It’s still an important lesson to have been learn in early Christianity and in all times. John speaks of antichrists, ones that could have full faith, but not true knowledge of Christ. Believing they had a direct line to god like Jesus did and knew his will better than others, even the apostles who walked with him. That being said Paul was the greatest evangelist of the time and brought many to at least believe in one god, Jesus his son and some of his teachings. Without Paul early Christian may not have survived. Now that it has it is time to rediscover the truth hidden in the texts and lost to time that Jesus brought us and started being passed down through the original twelve apostles. While my opinion is that Mathew, mark and john then James through revelations are true accounts passed down through the original 12 apostles and there for Jesus/God. They make more sense when related to Paul/Luke’s “scriptures”. So read the books again with the perspective/key that Paul was the evangelist but he didn’t get to know Jesus well so you can see where his ideas and stories don’t line up with Jesus’. The good thing is there is only one God, he is only good and he is only truth. So as misguided as we may become, we can always know him again it just takes work.
I will consider this in re reading. But what scholars or theologians supports this? If this was obvious I think it would have been discovered by now. The letter of John definitely don't seem to he against Paul, or at least what I can remember of them. Paul 100% affirms Jesus has come in flesh, is the Lord, and is the son of God. Good Christians 100% can call people out by name as wrong. Jesus called Judas a devil, he phariseess white washed tombs to their faces, Stephen also critiqued them and called them slow of mind to their faces. What do you mean a good Christian calls someone out covertly only? Please give me, if you are willing, specific parts of Peter-Revelation that are specifically critiquing Paul. The only 2 that I could possibly think of are James and Revelation chapter 2-3 MAYBE. I don't even think James and Paul disagree, they say the same thing in different ways 99%. Paul's "faith" never did not include works and obedience as a result. Usually when we are so against Paul or find him mistaken it's usually because we don't actually have a grasp on his actual theology and ideology.
@@youngknowledgeseeker I guess the scholarship is the growing consensus that Paul/Luke are authors of acts through hebrews. So there’s no other supporting evidence Paul was considered an apostle be the original 12. Then James through revelations are clearly rebutting the ideas that Paul and Luke lay out in acts through Hebrews. It’s essentially telling the story of the Cardinal Sin of human pride when we don’t humble ourselves and learn from the ones that came before us. When we closed our minds off and think we know better than others it limits us from having full faith. But again that wasn’t Paul’s calling. If he would have stayed and learned from the original twelve he probably wouldn’t have been as effective evangelist to the gentiles. His calling wasn’t knowing full faith it was to spread as many mustard seeds as possible. Spread the good news, there is one God, he was born flesh on earth, Jesus, and he brought great spiritual wealth to mankind. If you’ve heard and believe then come learn from the apostles he taught over years and founded his church through.
@@josephposenecker9741 what I would like please is specific verses or chapters from Peter through revelation, not in your own words. Also what growing consensus are you talking about, can you please give me names of Scholars or theologians?
@@youngknowledgeseeker I’m not going to copy and paste the Bible here. Read it as the complete book. The gospels tell one story, then acts through Hebrews tells a different one. Then James through revelations rebutes their ideas and backs up what the gospels say. Historically Paul’s epistles through hebrews has always been attributed to Paul. Some people now would say not all of Paul’s epistles aren’t written by him. More modern scholarship would say the style of writing in acts is the same as some of Paul’s epistles. Then there’s the whole new revelations from the Dead Sea scrolls where there’s growing evidence since the discovery of Qumran and more and more scrolls that tell of messianic Jews that had been preparing for the coming messiah hundreds of years before Jesus. Teaching healing and giving to the poor, a message of sinless lives devoted to love and community. We can even read their community rules describing many of the same traditions we knew early Christians followed. They even write about 12 members of the community being chosen to leave and spread their teachings around 100 BC. The process of how to choose those 12. There’s just more and more evidence Jesus didn’t just come to Sadducee’s and Pharisees, but there was a thriving group of messianic Jews ready for his arrival. There was already a very established religious group when he arrived. It didn’t just start from scratch when he came.
@Joseph Posenecker You are certainly still a brother in Christ to me, but if i may speak candidly, I kind of figured you couldn't show me any chapters or verses. Or any scholars. As Peter says, Paul is difficult to understand at times, im not sure if you understand what Paul actually seemed to have taught and believed according to his letters. I asked because having read the New Testament, your interpretation just seems so foreign and speculative, though probably with sincere intention. It's ok to be humble and say things like, "I don't know", or "I could be wrong". I take, what I perceive to be, Paul slander or misinterpretation so very personally. He's the only one of the Apostles to be so violently misunderstood and opposed and he worked so hard and as far as I know had a message the Apostles never judged as incorrect.
2 Corinthians 12:1-4. 14 years ago, Paul would have met with the Apostle John and Daniel- Revelation 4:1; Revelation 10:1-7, when the shut prophecies were ready to be accomplished, which I believe did have something to do with the mystery of God which had been hidden before the foundation of the world. Deuteronomy 29:29; Romans 16:25-26; Colossians I:25-29; Psalm 25:14; Matthew 13:11.
Scholars always invent their own hypotheses to try to distinguish themselves from other scholars, hoping for that eureka moment that will define their careers… but they always ignore the fact that the audiences Paul wrote to were always Jews and people whom Paul believed were non-Jewish descendants of the tribes of Israel, which means the entire New Testament isn’t relevant to anyone today. It’s Israel’s story, a story that ended in AD70.
Paul instead of agreeing to take Nazarite vow he can simply inform James and Peter that I got latest updated revelation directly from Jesus Christ and you people have to follow me.
He was trying to show, in the narrative of Acts, that he doesnt have a problem with Jewish people keeping the law and still has respect. Remember the charge was that he was teaching Jews to stop keeping the law, not Gentile converts, they didn't care about Gentile converts not keeping the law in the narrative. I do find it a little bit odd though that Acts is maybe portraying Paul as someone who himself still keeps the Jewish law, and not just will adhere to it when needing to out of respect. But I think we can see that in his own writings he thanks the law is Holy and good but inefficient to help us fully. I think he thinks that some of his practices are just completely over with and ancient. And I think he himself says that he thinks that he is not under law anymore ( not that his Lawless however as he says he is under God's law but that it's the law of Christ now).
Yes people don't understand that this was the, what he claimed was the, Revelation he had been given. It's for all people without having to conform to erase based religion which was for a time and a purpose and a place which had now been fulfilled. It is a lot to take in, to this day I have to keep double checking to make sure that he's not a false prophet. I don't think he is and I don't think that God would accidentally allow false prophet to be half of the New Testament
Jesus came to show us the way out of this reincarnation loop , illumination metaphors is what the Bible is , including the new testament. When John Baptise's Jesus , the wedding in Canin , All give detailed metaphors of what takes place when one becomes illuminated, most do not know this or understand this , the cross was a symbol way way before Christianity, so Jesus came to show us how to get back to the true father The Monad The One.
Paul had his whole family and relatives collecting money ,although he says it's ok but I don't take any of the money myself, but where did the money that was collected by his family go where are the accounts.
QUESTIONS: If Jesus was the result of a virgin birth and, in addition, if Jesus had brothers then how is it that they too were not born of a virgin birth? Also, if Joseph of Arimathea was not Jesus's blood father, might Mary have been impregnated by some other human being than Joseph of Arimathea? Just asking.
Even better - if Christians refuse to aknoweldge Jesus as a patriarchal line of David, how is he the Messiah? They have buried themselves in the 4th century catholic lies. Thankfully, the virgin birth hoax is one of the best documented corruptions of the original texts, and Jesus does indeed seem to be - the Son of David.
Joseph the father of Jesus and Joseph of arimithea are two different people. Jesus was the first born child of Joseph and Mary, conceived of the Holy Spirit and born of a virgin, Mary. Mary was still a virgin because at this point in time they were only engaged to be married, so the marriage had not yet been consummated. It is perfectly reasonable to assume that the brothers of Jesus were conceived as a result of relations between Mary and Joseph after the birth of Jesus and the consummation of their marriage which by this time would have happened.
WHAT IS SPECIAL ABOUT BEING A HINDU? By Francois Gautier. *Diversity in Divinity and Unity in Spirituality.* Be Your Own Messiah. 1) Believe in God ! - Aastik - Accepted 2) Don't believe in God ! - You're accepted as Nastik 3) You want to worship idols - please go ahead. You are a murti pujak. 4) You dont want to worship idols - no problem. You can focus on Nirguna Brahman. 5) You want to criticise something in our religion. Come forward. We are logical. Nyaya, Tarka etc. are core Hindu schools. 6) You want to accept beliefs as it is. Most welcome. Please go ahead with it. 7) You want to start your journey by reading Bhagvad Gita - Sure ! 8) You want to start your journey by reading Upanishads - Go ahead. 9) You want to start your journey by reading Purana - Be my guest. 10) You just don't like reading Puranas or other books. No problem my dear. Go by Bhakti tradition . ( bhakti- devotion) 11) You don't like idea of Bhakti ! No problem. Do your Karma. Be a karmayogi. 12) You want to enjoy life. Very good. No problem at all. This is Charvaka Philosophy. 13) You want to abstain from all the enjoyment of life & find God - jai ho ! Be a Sadhu, an ascetic ! 14) You don't like the concept of God. You believe in Nature only - Welcome. (Trees are our friends and Prakriti or nature is worthy of worship). 15) You believe in one God or Supreme Energy. Superb! Follow Advaita philosophy 16) You want a Guru. Go ahead. Receive gyaan. 17) You don't want a Guru.. Help yourself ! Meditate, Study ! 18) You believe in Female energy ! Shakti is worshipped. 19) You believe that every human being is equal. Yeah! You're awesome, come on let's celebrate Hinduism! "Vasudhaiva kutumbakam" (the world is a family) 20) You don't have time to celebrate the festival. Don't worry. One more festival is coming! There are multiple festivals every single day of the year. 21) You are a working person. Don't have time for religion. Its okay. You will still be a Hindu. 22) You like to go to temples. Devotion is loved. 23) You don't like to go to temples - no problem. You are still a Hindu! 24) You know that Hinduism is a way of life, with considerable freedom. 25) You believe that everything has God in it. So you worship your mother, father, guru, tree, River, Prani-matra, Earth, Universe! 26) And If you don't believe that everything has GOD in it - No problems. Respect your viewpoint. 27) "Sarve jana sukhino bhavantu " (May you all live happily) You represent this! You're free to choose, my dear Hindu! This is exactly the essence of Hinduism, all inclusive .. That is why it has withstood the test of time inspite of repeated onslaught both from within and outside, and assimilated every good aspects from everything . That is why it is eternal !!! There is a saying in Rigveda , the first book ever known to mankind which depicts the Hinduism philosophy in a Nutshell -" Ano bhadrah Krathavo Yanthu Vishwathah"- Let the knowledge come to us from every direction......
@@dustinellerbe4125 if you're A, you're a hindu, if you're not A, you're a hindu, if you're B, youre a hindu, if you're not B, you're a hindu... lather, rinse, and repeat until you've included all possible people
@@dustinellerbe4125 It makes a lot more sense than the idiotic nonsense found in the primitive Abrahamic religions.. Of course, it helps if you are caapable of serious thought. Unlike the Abrahamic religkions where gullibility and fear of thinking are what works best.
I'm Muslim and when I was reading the bible I have understood its basically Paul who has created fundamental base of Christianity. Christians are not following jesus teachings Infact they are following Paul teachings. Gesus said I was sent to the lost sheep's of israele and nothing one else. He was also warned of false prophet. This false prophet according to me is :::::: who has change basics of Abraham religion
I have actually come to Tantra Samana Christianity from my Tamizh background of being born again by the Virgin Mother(Saraswati) into Eternal Bodily Life that was guarded by yhe Seraphim with the flaming sword...
Wow tabor has been studying paul for 40 years, he better study a little bit more with a statement like “The gospel of paul is the crucifixion of Christ” wow you must be kidding! You know nothing of Paul’s gospel with a statement like that. Paul’s gospel has to do with the resurrection of Christ, and the new gospel given to him by Jesus in Paul’s conversion. It’s better Tabor keeps his mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.
How important are the words of 4 (four) gospels. The words of Jesus are said to be beyond one's ability to record in books. I for one long to know those words. We are denied the priviledge. The four gospels are this important.
While we are making shit up, can we do the brand of porridge the three bears were eating next? Then perhaps we could talk about the breed of cow Jack swopped for the magic beans, we already know the breed of the three little pigs, they were Gloucester old spots.
Absolutely ! Saul (Paul) received certificates from authorities to capture and kill Christians without trial, even as far away as Damascus thanks to the Roman Empire with laws and rules that allowed Paul to obtain permission from the high priest and then to go capture people in another city. How did Paul obtain this power? The High Priest and the Jewish Sanhedrin of Jerusalem collaborated with the Romans, and one politician of this period had deep ties to the High Priesthood of the Temple of Jerusalem and political influence in Damascus: Herod Antipas the Tetrarch! Saul/Paul was able to fulfill his desire to persecute Christians in the name of the high priest throughout the Roman Empire because his family was close to Herod's family! Saul therefore needed religious authority (Temple) and needed Roman authority in Damascus (King Aretas IV of Damascus) to allow this! King Aretas IV who ruled Damascus, Petra and Arabia during the period of Paul's conversion (Paul preached for 3 years in Arabia, Damascus, Petra (Galatians 1:17), was the father-in-law of Herod Antipas the Tetrarch. John the Baptist preached against Herod Antipas for having divorced his wife in order to marry his half-brother's wife named Herodias, his own niece, daughter of his half-brother Aristobulus IV. John the Baptist defended the honor of Herod Antipas' first wife: Phasaelis, daughter of King Aretas IV Moreover, it was Herod Antipas (Tetrarch of Galilee and Perea) and Herodias who ordered the beheading of John the Baptist (Matthew 14:1-12, Mark 6:16-29), and when Yeshua was arrested in Jerusalem, the procurator of Judea Pontius Pilate sent him to Herod Antipas, who had come to celebrate the Jewish Passover in the capital, but quickly returned him to Pontius Pilate without judging him (Luke 23:1-11), then Pontius Pilate and Herod became friends (Luke 23:12), John the Baptist and Yeshua are of the same family, and this same Herod met John and Yeshua! In the church at Antioch, certain "prophets and teachers" like Barnabas, Simeon who was called Niger, Lucius of Cyrene and Manahen were raised with Herod the tetrarch and Saul (Acts 13:1) When Paul is arrested, the commander assigns 200 soldiers, 70 horsemen, 200 archers to protect Paul (Acts 23:23-24), Paul was a Roman citizen, but Roman citizens did not normally receive 470 bodyguards. Paul was protected because he was related to the family of Herod Agrippa! Flavius Josephus cites Saul and a certain Costobar in his "Judaic Antiquities, Book 20, ch.9, passage 214" as violent evil people who spread evil and robbed the weakest because they were of royal race and very much in favor because of their relationship with Agrippa... a few passages later, Costobar and Saul left Jerusalem! Paul had companions with him when he left Jerusalem to go to Damascus (Acts 9:7, 22:9, 26:13-14), everything fits! Flavius Josephus cites Festus, he who attended the judgment of Paul (Acts 25:1-27), also James, brother of Yeshua where he emphasizes his judgment by the Sanhedrin (Judaic Antiquities Book 20, Ch.9, passage 200 ), this proves that Saul cited by the author is indeed Paul of Tarsus! Costobarus and Saul are the grandsons of Costobarus, since Costobarus married Salome, had a daughter named Berenice who married Aristobulus IV, one of Herod's sons. Both are the parents of the future kings Herod Agrippa I and Herod of Chalcis, as well as that of Herodias. Together, they also have a son called Antipater, who will have two sons: Costobar and Saul who is the apostle Paul of Tarsus! Paul greets those in Aristobulus' house (Romans 16:10), and Aristobulus is a Herodian! so he loved spending time with his family members. Paul is therefore from the royal family of Agrippa (Herod) who took advantage of this status to ravage innocent people and spread evil! Moreover, Herod ravaged the churches, killed James brother of John, and put Peter in prison during Passover (Acts 12:1-5), but the Lord delivered Peter from his prison by his Angel who sent him ( Acts 12:6-11), Paul identifies his Herodian parents since he greets a member of his family named "Herodium" who calls him "my kinsman" (Romans 16:11), Herodion is a Greek name which is a diminutive of 'Herod, which indicates links between his family and the descendants of Herod the Great! Unlike Yeshua who was unjustly condemned and committed no fault, Paul this murderer received the favor of Agrippa who declared that Paul "did nothing to deserve death or prison" (Acts 26: 31), normal, since Paul is from Agrippa's family! Paul was a friend of Caesar, as was Pontius Pilate (John 19:12), Paul invoked Caesar in his judgment (Acts 25:10-12), he also greets those of Caesar's house (Philippians 4:22). Paul was therefore present during the trial and crucifixion of Yeshua! Yeshua said : "Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the leaven of Herod" (Mark 8:15), since Paul is a Pharisee and a Herodian, Yeshua therefore warned us to beware and flee from hypocrites and murderers like Paul! Paul is undoubtedly the one who helped the Pharisees free Barabbas and crucify Yeshua instead!
( Will Christians And Jews and "OTHER" non-Muslims go to Heaven? ) Quran 2:62 '' Those who believe (in the Quran) and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures) and the Christians and the Sabians->ANYAllah< Is The Protector Of Monasteries, Churches, Synagogues And The Mosques ) Quran 22:40 [They are] those who have been evicted from their homes without right - only because they say, " Our Lord is God " And were it not that God checks the people, some by means of others, there would have been demolished monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques in which the name of God is much mentioned. And God will surely support those who support Him. Indeed, God is Powerful and Exalted in Might. Note: Why did Allah protected Churches and Synagogues if they worship false Allah ? ( Why Are There So Many Different Religions In The World ? ) Quran 5 48 ''...... If God wanted He could have made all of you a single nation.( ie single religion ) But He willed otherwise in order to test you in what He has given you (ie Scriptures) therefore try to excel one another in good deeds. Ultimately you all shall return to God then He will show you the truth of those matters in which you '' >DISPUTE verb < not noun like other religions Islam mean "submission" to God ( The above verse saying is that God will not accept a religion from the >MUSLIM< and the Non-Muslims but total "submission" to God ) Question: How Can Muslim And the Non-Muslim "submit" to the God? Answer: Be kind to other human beings and Do not lie, Do not steal, Do not cheat, Do not hurt others, Do not be prideful and Do the charity work. Note: If you obeyed all the ABOVE Allah-God's moral laws "YOU" submitted to God.( ie Islam mean "submission" to God ) The only people who will enter Paradise those who '' Submitted to God '' ( ie by Good Deeds ) God does NOT accept your religion of birth but only ''Your Total'' Submission to Him. ( God Allows Interfaith Marriages And Eat Food From the Christian And Jew And Vice Versa ) Quran 5:5 ''This day [all] good foods have been made lawful, and the food of those who were given the Scripture (ie Christian and Jew) is lawful for you and your food is lawful for them. And lawful in marriage are chaste women from among the believers (ie Muslim ) and chaste women from among those who were given the Scripture (ie Christian and Jew) before you, when you have given them their due compensation, desiring chastity not unlawful sexual intercourse or taking [secret] lovers. And whoever denies the faith - his work has become worthless and he in the Hereafter will be among the losers.'' Note: > Only < Islam allows interfaith marriages (>14 hundredsSame God< but They are >ALL Corrupt< more or less, some more than others from their original foundational teaching. The older religion are MORE corrupted than newer religion. Question to Muslim and Christian: Does God / Allah only answer your pray ? And God / Allah does not answer non Muslim / non Christian pray? Did Allah '' Canceled '' all other religions Judaism and Christianity? Quran 5:48 '' And We have revealed to you [O Muhammad] the Book in truth, confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture ( ie New and old Testament ) and as a criterion over it. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed and do not follow their inclinations away from what has come to you of the truth. >>>TO EACH OF YOU WE PRESCRIBED A LAW AND A METHODone nation>differ qualified < for to enter Paradise ) On the day of judgement God will ''NOT'' judge humanity bases on Sunni Muslim sect VS Shia Muslim sect ''NOR'' by Muslim VS non-Muslim >but< Doer of Goods VS Doer of Evils. '' YOUR " birth in the Muslim's family is NOT a > qualification < for to enter the Paradise. '' YOUR " religion / sect / foot long beard is NOT a > qualification < for to enter the Paradise. The > qualification < to enter Paradise is > Faith in God and Good Work
The problem of Paul is that he truncated the 550 laws that God gave the Prophets down to 4 laws. Jesus told us that not one jot or tittle will not be removed from the Law ie 550 Laws. We will be judged by the 550 Laws on what we have said and done!
My only disagreement with you James is your claim that Yeshua was telling people to be celibate , He was saying the exact opposite , He was saying that IN HEAVEN there is no marriage but on earth marriage is between one man and one woman , together they are one and that He's against divorce
@@nokhchi1079 this doesn't say that there's no marriage IN HEAVEN ??? Matthew 22:29-30 KJV 29)"Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. 30)For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven." I don't know who you're talking about , I never claimed that Yeshua taught celibacy . Unfortunately , one has to go outside of the bible in order to prove Yeshua taught vegetarianism .
@@koreyoneal2623 I meant to say that that there won’t be the institution of marriage and contracts like we do now. But will have permanent partners. Like how Adam and Eve were. They lived in heaven, no marriage contract was written but they were together.
Sayings of Prophet Muhammad(pbuh). Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said. Jesus, the son of Mary, upon him be peace, used to say, “Do not speak too much without remembering Allah, for it will harden your hearts and a hard heart is the furthest from Allah, if only you knew. Do not look at the sins of people as if you were lords, rather look at your own sins as if you were slaves. Verily, some people are put to trial and others are granted safety, so be merciful to those under trial and praise Allah for your safety.” ( Hadith from Al Muwatta). Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)said. “Jesus, son of Mary, saw a person he thought was stealing. Jesus said to him: Have you committed theft? The man said: No, by Him besides whom there is no God! Jesus said: I believe in Allah and I disbelieve my eyes.” (Hadith from Bukhari and Muslim). Prophet(pbuh) said, ‘The Hour will not be established until the son of Mary [Jesus] descends among you as a just ruler. He will break the cross, kill the pigs, and abolish the jizyah(tax), Money will be in abundance so that nobody will accept it (as charitable gifts). (Hadith from Al-Bukhari and Muslim). Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said “By Allah, the son of Mary will descend as a just ruler. He will abolish the cross, kill the swine, and annul the tribute, but he will leave the she-camel such that no one collects from it. He will cause rancor, hatred, and envy to disappear, and he will call people to give their wealth in charity but no one will need it.” (Hadith from Muslim)
Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) once said: "There are seven whom Allah(God) will shade on the Day of Judgement…” He went on to mention six of them and finally concluded by saying: “…A man who gives in charity and hides it, such that his left hand does not know what his right hand gives in charity; and a man who remembered Allah(God) in private and so his eyes shed tears.” (Abu Hurairah & collected in Saheeh al-Bukhari (English trans. vol.1, p.356, no.629) Aisha reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Follow the right course, be devoted, and give glad tidings. Verily, none of you will enter Paradise by his deeds alone.” They said, “Not even you, O Messenger of Allah?” The Prophet said, “Not even me, unless Allah grants me His mercy. Know that the most beloved deed to Allah is that which is done regularly, even if it is small.” Source: Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī 6467, Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 2818 Messenger of Allah, (SAWS) said, “Verily, what I fear most for you is the lesser idolatry.” And he elaborated, “It is showing off. Allah the Exalted will say to them (who show off), on the Day of Resurrection when the people are being rewarded for their deeds: Go to those whom you wished to show off in the world and look for your reward with them.” (Musnad Ahmad Hadith 23119) Abu Sa’id Al-Khudri reported: The Messenger of Allah (SAWS), entered upon us while we were discussing the False Messiah. He said, “Shall I not tell you about what I fear for you more than the presence of the False Messiah?” We said, “Of course!” He said, “Hidden idolatry; that a man stands for prayer and beautifies his prayer because he sees another man looking at him.” (Ibn Majah Hadith 4202). The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Pay the worker his wages before his sweat has dried.” (Source: Sunan Ibn Mājah 2443). Some may think Prophet Muhammad copied from James's letter but as a Muslim we think that all moral values and teachings came from same source i.e from God Almighty.
Wow - Tabor is worse than Wilson. Wet mouth noises before almost every darn sentence! I really wish I could watch these talks without the distracting diction tics. They should watch some of your James Valiant interviews to see how it’s done properly. This isn’t meant to be an attack - it’s sincere disappointment. I really want to be able to listen to these talks. Maybe try having a glass or bottle of water handy?
This man thinks he is most knowledgeable , truthful,than all Bible writers as St.Paul,St.James, Matthew,Luke. He is boastful,proud to say he knows what authors were thinking.
The mischievious mind of man in his sin and darkness trying to understand what is beyond his natural frame. Janes Tabor is not the only scholar who has something to say about early Christianity which begins on the day of Pentecost and continues until this same Jesus or Yeshua will come in glory on the day of judgment to separate sheep,that is the believing elect both Judean and Greek as Paul says and as Jesus commanded when he commissions his apostles to evangelize the world , from the goats who will be judged and assigned a place in gehenna for all eternity. I will build my Ecclesia and the gates of Hades will not prevail. That ecclesia beginning in Jerusalem and which exists in all generations until all Jesus came to save from their sins come to a saving knowledge of the Son of the Living God through the preached word attended by the Holy Spirit. I wonder why the host in his opening remarks left out the conversion of Paul in the book of Acts? He uses the New Testament to solidify his view very conveniently which sunful men are always apt to do and do it in what seems to be quite plausable to serve their own ends. For these fellas the bible is not theopneustos, god-breathed but a mere production of the natural man. No Spirit only the carnal workings of mind presented here.
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The ABCs of Paul's Christianity are Accept, Believe, and Confess. The ABCs of the the faith of Jesus and James are Actions, Behavior, and Conduct.
I see mystical depth with Paul.
I see Christian error in his condemnation of the effeminate and homosexuals.
I see Christian theology, the Jesus story regarding salvation.
Obviously, these components are incompatible with each other.
I see him as a mystic.
As for the other two components, they are the result of tampering with his writings. Gospel verses that Christianize those writings are the result of tampering, or possibly the result of different writers. There is definitely a lack of continuity paradigmatically.
Very well said 🙏
Both are true. The word explains that eyes are opened to see a truth. But one rdceives by confession. With the first portion of faith this is a quickenjng of the heart. Righteousness is a quickening of the soul. A confession of righteousness when made in faith will so change (convert) you, your actions will change. Technically, there are 7 steps, but no one would want to reduce fsith to steps. Although David revealed this when telling that Uzza had gone only 6 steps. Uzza needed more before touching the throne.
I suppose Paul saw "the day towers fall" and "the day of bricks and mortar." Eighteen is the traditional number of wisemen or cabinet working in the gate tower. The temple was dedicated with no access to the spirits of God. Paul knew what time it was. Israel was about to be destroyed.
@@nadzach ok I'm intrigued.. why do you say there's seven steps? What are they and what are you referencing?
Paul thought he knew more than G-d, and changed the meanings of the scriptures to suit his gospel.
He wad the first Mossad that worked on the goal of corrupting the message of Jesus to disconnect it from its Jewish roots.. and he succeeded l
I think Paul's claims that people were healed simply by touching his cloak or the ability to supersede John the Baptist symbolic water baptism by his own baptism in the Holy Spirit is clear evidence that Paul was a narcissistic heretic who had his own theology. He based his self conceived religion on the life of Jesus with a great deal of success and I have no doubt that he is still patting himself on the back as the legions of hell are spanking his ass 😂😂😂😂
@@ObjectiveEthics He was an infiltrator sent to sabotage the true believers, followers and teachings of Christ the Lord and exactly the same fraud we are seeing with today's so called Christian and religious leadership and all their so called churches.
Paul was a Jew Pharisee, sent to corrupt and separate the Israelites from their God. Jews are not Israelites, they are hybrid mamzers of Esau, the enemies of Israel. The Israelites are separate, the mamzers are outside the kingdom and will never be sheep. Sorry
@@ObjectiveEthics, I would compare Pau to modern day Pastors who say “God told me”.
Another excellent episode. Dr Tabor is always informative and easy to listen to.
Great content here! I love studying the early church. Since most of today's Christians are followers of Paul, it's a really important topic in studying how we got where we are.
I recommend watching at 150% speed, though. Dr. Tabor is a slow talker.
Modern day Christianity is very much the product of the Roman. Repackaged and humanised. Even the Gospels are translation from Hebrew to Greeks to Latin and to modern day English in 1600s. Much of the original message is lost in politically divided translation.
Thanks for the speed advice ✌️😁
James Tabor always a great listen!
Paul is America's Jesus, because he taught them to "sin every Friday night and Saturday night, then repent every Sunday morning".
Exactly. The new gospel of the those full of wickedness to justify their sins.
What are you quoting?
What Jacob does well is let people talk. Great guest.
I had the opportunity to first hear Dr. Tabor speak in Houston on the dead sea scrolls along with Dr. Robert Eisemann at Rice University. Have read many of his books. A very respectable scholar.
The best advice I have ever received is from Paul in ll Timothy 2:15
“ Study to show thyself
approved unto God a
workman that need not be ashamed , RIGHTLY DIVIDING THE WORD OF TRUTH . When we read the Bible , keep in mind , who is writing and who is the intended audience
Anything you say I will divide. ??
Sounds divisive and dissembling.
The more words the less meaning...Paul is wordy crap.
And to understand that everything in the bible is not literal but can be allegorical. Separate lies from the words of Truth by comparing line upon line precept upon precept. It's obvious the NT is a mess of contradict because people think the gospels were literal instead of allegorical.
AND that God varies His intercourse with man as pleases Him.
Dr. Tabor gives very insightful data.
Paul’s announcement or gospel: Jesus died, was raised from the dead, ascended into heaven, and will return very soon ushering in the kingdom of God. Of course, he was wrong, but I think he really believed it at the time.
Paul IS fasle apostle and Jesus DID Return like He Told His disciples many times,,
The holy ghost is false
@@teelara4120And the reason why blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is a thing...
@@teelara4120The Holy Spirit is present thruout the Tanak.
If this was gospel “Jesus dying in the cross and resurrecting) how could Jesus Himself have preached it? He had met died or resurrected yet. Mark 1:15 “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand. Repent, and believe in the gospel.”
What I wanna know is, if Paul was really being taught by Jesus in these visions, why was he wrong about the transformation of the cosmos happening during his lifetime?
It seems they all were wrong. I don't think any New Testament author thought it wouldnt happen in their lifetime or shortly afterwards. I would suggest even Jesus himself speculated it would happen shortly.
However am I fair in saying that though they "thought" it would happen in their lifetime, none of them (save for some possibly seeming explicit statement in the gospels by Jesus, but these may have alternate meanings) ever gave outright statements claiming when it would happen. None said it will and must happen in our lifetime or shortly afterwards. It was more their opinion and thought and they were careful not to write a definite time.
Paul was a charlatan or con man church creator.
There have been some red flags raised for me regarding this Saul/Paul.
1. In Acts 9:3-5, Saul claims that while on the road to Damascus to persecute Christians, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him, then he falls to the ground and hears a voice say to him, “Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?” and that he then answers, "who are you, Lord?” “I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting,”
2. Later In Acts 9:18, Ananias says to Saul, “Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus who appeared to you on the road as you were coming here "has sent me" so that you may see again and be filled with the Holy Spirit and at that instant something like "scales" fell from Saul’s eyes and his sight was restored, then got up and was baptized.
3. Saul/Paul and Ananias never had proof or witnesses that it was Jesus Who appeared nor that it was Jesus Who spoke to them either, while interesting that the only thing with scales are reptiles (snakes).
4. Jesus said to His apostles in John 14: 19, "Yet a little while, and the world see me no more and in John 16:10, "I go to the Father and you no longer see Me" and finally...
5. in Acts 1:9, after He had said these things and in the presence of only His Apostles, He was lifted up while they were looking on and a cloud received Him out of their sight. So ask yourselves how is it then that eight chapters later this Saul is seeing and hearing from the Lord?
6. In Matthew 24:23-24, Jesus clearly warned, "If anyone says to you, ‘look, here is the Christ’ or ‘there He is’ do not believe it. For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders that would deceive even the elect, if that were possible."
Therefore, Jesus isn't going to be appearing to anyone concealed within some flashing light from or claiming to be Him either, while the only return He'll be making will be at the second coming, when He's coming with clouds and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him and all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him.
@@nmHispana you seem to be a genuine Truth seeker. What Saul saw was the "light bringer", who can only distort, and twist and seed confusion... that is why there are so many different flavors of christianity. While the gospel of the kingdom that Yeshua thought was simple and should be unifying. Have faith, he will come back as promised, but since we are now in the 6th seal period we have rough days ahead... There are not so many true believers out there (and especially not organised, I know very little organised sects that reject Saul/Paul)
Even when I was a believer, I thought Paul felt like a classic con-man. All of his writings have the feel of a layer of slime over them, really deceptive. I don't understand why people like him so much.
I don't know what to say other than he didn't seem slimy to me? What con? What was the con? His message seemed to be, the Kingdom of God is coming, Jesus has been made Lord, and we await inheriting eternal life and authority by being faithful to love others as ourselves and loving God with all our hearts by acknowledging Jesus and his teachings/message by obeying them in faith.
What con???
@@youngknowledgeseeker the old "I will do whatever it takes, including pretending I'm something I'm not in order to get what I want. Oh, by the way, can I have some money?" He even does it in the grossest way possible with the "I'm not forcing you, I'm testing your love, those guys over there were good enough, are you?" Its no surprise he got his teeth kicked in on multiple occasions.
@@bouncycastle955 now this is just your feeling right? Like it's your feeling that he's a con man, not a fact?
Is it possible that when he said that he would do whatever it takes that he meant that he doesn't mind adapting to cultural norms of the area so long as they don't clash with the teaching of Jesus in order to facilitate preaching? Is it possible what he wanted was as easy of a time for people to hear the gospel as well as the easiest of a time to be able to preach it?
Is it also possible he was honestly collecting money for charity, specifically for the Jews actually, he wanted to take the money back for the poor Jewish Christians in Jerusalem.
Obviously both of us can't prove any of these things, however all I'm asking is is this possible.
@@youngknowledgeseeker if the best you can do for the popularizer of your religion is that it's not logically impossible that he _wasn't_ a con-man... oh boy...
It's just interesting that he has exactly the same playbook as the biggest Christian con-men in the business today.
@@bouncycastle955 It's very disappointing and frustrating when I ask a simple yes or no question and you purposefully avoid it and don't answer. It's a gigantic red flag for me. So, ok then, bye and nice talking to you until this point.
We even don’t know who wrote Gospels not only James’s letter.
What I like about Tabor is that the guy just doesn't give a fuck, lmao. No matter what you ask, he'll talk about whatever he wants, for however long he wants, and his interviewers are always powerless to stop him.
My biggest problems with Paul are twofold.
Firstly, he enshrined many the norms that made it possible for Christians to align themselves with social and political Conservatism.
Secondly, he just comes through as a horrible person. Look at Gal 2:
"But when Peter came to Antioch, I opposed him in public, because he was clearly wrong. Before some men who had been sent by James arrived there, Peter had been eating with the Gentile believers. But after these men arrived, he drew back and would not eat with the Gentiles, because he was afraid of those who were in favor of circumcising them. The other Jewish believers also started acting like cowards along with Peter; and even Barnabas was swept along by their cowardly action. When I saw that they were not walking a straight path in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter in front of them all, “You are a Jew, yet you have been living like a Gentile, not like a Jew. How, then, can you try to force Gentiles to live like Jews?”
Just imagine the sort of person who would humiliate and embarrass a leader of a community in such a way - openly and in front of everyone, in front of the very people who follow and respect him, moreover, write all of this down in case someone didn't get it through gossip!
I never hated anyone so intensely to even consider doing something this nasty to him!
100% agreed. I also like your latter point about Peter in Gal 2, brilliant point. Paul single-handedly managed to scam billions of mindless-drones... in fact so successfully that people (i.e., Pauline Christians) still fall for the grift. It's befuddling.
paul was a self professed liar and proud of it. he declared himself an apostle even when the requirements for being one (acts) didn't fit him. His claims of seeing, being taught, and appointed by Jesus were verified by no-one. he couldn't even get his own story straight. God is not the author of chaos and paul's 'gospel is nothing but.
Jesus said 'I come from my father who sent Me and you do not believe but there is one that will come after me that you will believe.'
Tabor attempts to understand the (various) messages of Chrsitianity as part of his reasearch while many scholars unfortunately skip over this. To fully understand the history one cannot skip the messages!
I believe that the story of Saul/Paul started from Luke 18:9-22:30 I believe both Saul, the self righteous pharisee, and Zacchaeus, the tax collector- both sinners in different ways, were there, and due to his short size, Zacchaeus could only listen, but not able to see Jesus, due to the crowd, which got him up the sycamore tree, to get a glimpse of who has been teaching, and he also must have heard the discourse between Jesus and the rich young ruler (Saul/Paul). This prompted him to offer to give half of his goods to the poor, etc. Both of them were touched, but it took Saul longer to humble himself, and Jesus even bided him some time to dispose of his worldly riches and then "follow" Him. Luke 18:22.
Jesus then began to talk about His death because He had completed bringing together, His desciples, all His sheep were in the fold at last John 10:16,27,28. (This "eternal life" must have caught his attention).
Saul's story actually spanned the 18th and 19th chapters of Luke. He was the self-righteous pharisee, and Zachaeus was the humble guy. That was why their story ran side by side. Jesus Christ really came to seek and to save that which was "lost" indeed 19:10! "Son of sorrow," becoming son of "His right hand" ". Showing the immense grace to be revealed to Jews and the nations through him, a very good epitome of a grace recipient. The more reason he recognized by referring to Jesus Christ as "Lord...", (no longer as just "master") in acts 9, when he was knocked down from his high horse- so to speak, and became a grain of corn that fell to the ground, that would on towards, bring for fruit abundantly.
Surely Paul was giving: "The School of Hillel" doctrine, rather than Jesus, (Hillel died around the birth of Jesus). Paul "Studied at the feet of Gamaliel", (the Grandson of Hillel). Opposite The School of Hillel was Shammai. Students of Shammai murdered some of Hillel. Unless you know this, which is VERY well known to current Jews studying The First Century, you have no context. Hillel and Shammai were the last of six pairs called Zugots. I believe Paul pushed his Hillel learning, passing it off as Jesus's teachings.
That's a very interesting suggestion: any references we could follow through for this?
@@ritawing1064 To me the period from The Maccabees, to the Talmud, a period of 150 years, was like the decade of the Sixties in London, and America. Jesus was in the middle of this explosion of Jewish thought. No one realises that: "The Mind of God", is fought for in any Judaism Ruling body, such as the Sanhedrin. Arguing in that period was normal, NOT a sign of hate, but debate.
The core of the Shammai School, was strict observance to The Laws of Moses: so: "An Eye for an Eye". Jews had other Books of their Law, that Christians have no idea of. Obviously, The Jewish Law, and The Roman Law, came in conflict. The Hillel School was: "Turn the other Cheek", which is said to be The Aural Teachings of Moses, (passed on by word and mouth), the Talmud Encyclopaedias, were finished around AD120. Things are written down, in times of fear of loss.
No Student could learn from both, only one of the Zugots (pairs). However, there is The Kabbalah or Qabalah, which contained Out-of-Body Meditations, such as Rabbi Akiba, with three others. "Two Died, one lost his faith, only Akiba returned whole". It was a Meditation to the Feet of God. It is argued Jesus had the power of just such Meditations, which started by his going into the desert, then his Ministry begun. The day before "The Last Supper", Jesus went off into the Countryside to Meditate alone, but John Mark, a teenager asked to carry the food, and stuff. Jesus is said to explain the Secrets of Judaism Meditation, to John and made him promises not to tell. This raises a whole new aspect of John Mark, (whom Jesus Loved), he has his own Gospel.
I therefore believe Jesus's Ministry, was built on the Essenes, Druids, India (Buddhist at that time), and the Tibet Monasteries. His Uncle was Joseph of Arimathea, possibly the richest man in the world, trading Tin amongst other goods. Follow Delores Cannon, regresses people to their passed lives.
www.amazon.com/Jesus-and-Essenes-Dolores-Cannon-audiobook/dp/B07GQ587W6/ref=sr_1_1?crid=SUMJMSTEA9CW&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.tfTy3w293ca4vPg2ZWSwlhyLnJe8D4ghnHo5zL3LAxU4jnB6BOXPojKNTQTMLKbeLObBwshoKUNRav7WyfsUnrB9eWgZCR2vBz6csXEtvCEMkY-mK2EmoNLjYntbHwYR4DNDj09Hbz14i0ldblDXfKDG7bBARZjE3M-h5vvYeWxq-p1juHpn35MXZG_u5X9CGCYYrSgux8d17bt3aOIesl4BSoAOZI-p5edsBRN9oiQ.4G6_F1VCcPbVN0V8un5mlfqI-Vrg1Dts5k8BEERDRpk&dib_tag=se&keywords=Jesus-and-the-Essenes&qid=1712511318&sprefix=jesus-and-the-essenes%2Caps%2C482&sr=8-1
Akashic Records by Melissa Gomes, is a great place to begin: www.amazon.com/Akashic-Records-Spiritual-Accessing-Vibrations/dp/B09MYSV8YD/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1N37UYAE8LE80&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.FAgAZSha-pRXpU31yMvyTCMHlgZGGfu79WyrJh5ugCGQONXWn9PBw9GHeyYKVU4jWWoRXeSrEZGrypiQSVRnoQ5h7SG9pXxrpGlPbHQ10VqBQ5WQOoZq9aGJaYZFRHDt3czW6wzVgLDjL7Ly0_HNgOiF8S5DUnXYW2mYgvNRsuLPUmYJOJBn_YS8E0O4So2KTj-Uq-NctIbXAK9iccZ3Du-YukutT5qJlN7klV5LQHE.UgcXfi95jCL9ToMQLQ3-CaAmj8-usIfqOz5bQtSQscU&dib_tag=se&keywords=Akashic+Records+by+Melissa+Gomes&qid=1712509681&sprefix=akashic+records+by+melissa+gomes%2Caps%2C120&sr=8-1
Great video n James Tabor is Brilliant.
The New Testament is Paul's views on the ramifications of Jesus' resurrection.
His views from the perspective of Hebrew Scriptures. And he was spot on.
@@johnkumah3095 Yes, very Jewish ideas, like all souls were in Adam when he sinned. I have found, if you consider reincarnation, that the concept fills in a lot of holes in the theology. If you take out divinity, Jewish concepts of Moshiach fit Jesus very well.
@@ezekielsaltar4728
Yes, definitely.
He actually fulfils all scripture.
Every answer to a scriptural question and all the goodness promised from God is found in Christ.
@@johnkumah3095 Yes, I agree if by Christ you mean Moshiach (Son of Man/God).
@@ezekielsaltar4728
Yes, that's what I meant.
Where can I find the k source that was not in the gospels?
Maybe from others truth... Such as Krishnamurti jiddu
Dr. Tabor
As always you are phenomenal
You put the essence of true Judaism and the teachings of prophets, very much in line with Christianity of the early Christian movement, which Muslim scholars would agree is very much in line with the teachings of Islam
At all levels theologically and how humans are to act in accordance to the Creator
Worth a best seller discussing all the parallels
You may want to collaborate with Ali Ataie at Zaytuna
James taught Social Justice.
Jacob, please be careful with your levels. The volume is low during the talk, so you turn the sound up, and very high in your outro. It physically hurts. Is there no way of checking the levels match before you bust my eardrums.
It is complicated, but what I see quite clearly is that dr. Tabor succeeds in assigning parts of the Bible to specific historical figures, refuting mythicism or any versions of it.
Thank you for this discussion! Very enlightening!
Paul writing about judgment and end of age and end of times and don’t marry or friends and get ur stuff right seems to either be about the destruction of Jerusalem or the coming of age of Pisces/fish/anchor from age of a Aries/lamb/sheep/sheep herders from earlier age of Taurus/bull/golden calf/ranchers which is what Moses was saying at mt Sinai. Seems logical
I wonder if some of these characters from antiquity were little more than flim-flam men. That would explain a lot.
Well, Paul seems like a narcissist with distinct elements of psychosis.
I concur. Reading through Paul with a fresh mind really does seem like he's just trying whatever can to build up churches. He's not afraid to say break "the Law", denigrate, criticize, boast, sarcastically grovel, and lay out his own set of rules (laws). Him being very offended in one of the Corinthians because of was accused of stealing the "contributions" (donations) was very intriguing. Made it seem like he was almost caught out for being a conman.
Jimmy, you left out "Suffered under Pontius Pilate". I mean, its missing from the book you are reading. Pontius Pilate fucking anchors the Apostle's Creed in history,
Speaking as a combat crazed Vietnam vet, The Apostles Creed is the perfect soldier's confession, It is dimple, it is direct, covers all the bases, Is unadorned and without the ruffles and flourishes of the Nicene Prayer, which is the product of a committee ordered to include everyone.
Your academics has a deliberate political bias and/or virtually no capacity for literature,
The space between Born of the Virgin Mary and Crucified, Dead and Buried, with or without "Suffered Under Pontius Pilate" is filled by Peter's confession of Christian doctrine coming directly out of Penta cot in Acts 10:34 - 43, The mundane numerology is one of my favorite examples of the Acts of the Apostles being the playground of the Holy Spirit, 34 and 43 both reduce to 7 that, in this particular instance, operate like cosmic quotation makes: it's something God really wants you to pay attention to. Shit like this is all through the entire Bible, but especially in the Gospels becaue one of the things Jesus was trying to do was to promote the Holy Spirit as a Supernatural reality available universally, Jesus reduced the entire Jewish theory of sin to one specific error in thinking of the denial of the Holy Spirit, which is a form of suicide by a thousand cuts, self inflicted.
Now, I can only speak as an individual combat crazed Vietnam vet, but "Now I Lay Me Down To Sleep" worked pretty goo under fire. If the only thing you could do was to wait it out, going to sleep was wise.
For all intents and purpose, Cornelius is Quelle, The portrait of Pilate in all four gospels is based on his eyewitness testimony to each of the other versions, The written record of Jesus begins before Jesus takes command of the John the Baptist Followers and made them Jesus Followers., which the Roman soldiers from the 10 Legion referred to as Christians. The soldiers in Judea were using the term at least 9 years before it gets to Antioch and 31 years before the Jesus Followers began to adopt the slander "Christian as the Red Badge of Courage and Faith.
I've known since at least Misquoting Jesus came out that the Evangelical anti-theist were preaching a phony gospel but your theory that Thessalonians was the first written record of Jesus is an example of the prestidigitation possible with the dialectical Marxism of the Jesus Seminar and Post Modern Historic Deconstruction, generally.
I don't want to put you out of business, but follow your intuition to explore the intertwining of the narratives of the Gospel of Mark and the Gospel of John, using the King James translation, The Big Boys Bible in friendly literary circles.
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To me, the title should be How did Man transform Christianity? According to Matthew 24:22, 31, JESUS uses the word the Elect, Romans 8:33 Paul also mentiones the Elect. I would like to know what is the difference between GODS Elect and bring a Christian? Please explain. Thank you
Elect are those named in the book from the foundations of the earth .. read Daniel 12 . And also Paul may be fake but he is also called leaven. He is very much acquainted and knows the scriptures .. he was a Pharisee.. knower of the Jewish laws . So he knew how to brilliantly twist stuff. He can say. Truth to fool you and the insert what he wants
For all we know , no Paul have existed in his history . Some guys probably sat down and used that to manipulate Christian’s. Because they could not deny Jesus , for his followers knew him by word of the mouth and the already existing four testimonies . I won’t be shocked at all.
Galatians 4:24 - "Which things are an allegory".
Matthew 16:6 - "Then Jesus said to them, take heed and beware the leaven of the Pharisees and Saducees."
Matthew 16:11 - "How is it that you do not understand that I spake it not concerning bread, that ye should beware the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Saducees."
Matthew 16:12 - "Then understood they how that he bade them not beware the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and Saducees."
Hebrews 6:1 - "Therefore, leaving behind the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto Perfection."
1 Cor. 4:20 - "The Kingdom (of inspired Life) comes not in word, but in Power."
Isaiah 30:7 - "Their strength is to sit still."
Psalms 46:10 - "Be still and know that I am, you are, we are Life at Large, eternally actualizing infinite potential, because only Eternity can fully embrace Infinity."
Exodus 14:14 - The Spirit will fight for you, and you shall hold your Peace."
Isaiah 26:3 - "You (inspired Life) will keep them in perfect Peace who's Mind is staid on you."
John 10:10 - "Behold, I am (Life) is come that you may have (inspired) Life, and have it more abundantly."
Proverbs 15:24 - "The Way of Life is above to the Wise, that they may depart from hell below."
Genesis 42:18 - "Do this and live (an inspired Life)."
The true gospel of the kingdom is that its here right now, neigh at hand for us to enter into. The kingdom comes without observation and is within you.
"To WHOMEVER overcomes he will inherit ALL THINGS. I will be his God and he will be MY SON." Revelation 21:7.
@jdaze1 I was just wondering why 'scholars' seem to have no idea what the true Jesus' (non Pauline) Gospel is. The Kingdom of heaven is at hand. Repent, obey and enter the kingdom. Perhaps they avoid it due to Luke 3: 7-9. Nobody wants to talk about that one.
Awesome to see
Of course, you don't need Q at all - regardless of the name - if you follow Mark Goodacre's line of thought.
Goodacre’s argument is very convincing that we don’t need the Q hypothesis. However, as Dr. Tabor states here, there is no doubt that there is a body of Jesus’ sayings that are in Matthew and Luke and not in Mark. I agree with Dr. Tabor that it doesn’t much matter what we call it.
@@ncarmstron But if Matthew copied Luke or the other way round, the logical basis for thinking that there must have been a written (not oral) sayings source behind their gospels (because of the verbatim agreement) goes away, so no matter what you call it, its existence is not in any way necessitated by the texts as we have them, so it must be an additional presupposition and we should always strive to not add these if not necessary
@@notanemoprog I don’t disagree. If Matthew used an oral source for the sayings, and Luke copied Matthew, which I think is plausible, then no written source need be posited. No question. However, we still need to call these sayings something, don’t we? “The sayings of Jesus that are common to Matthew and Luke, but not in Mark” is a bit unwieldy.
@@ncarmstron No way to prove the claim that there actually were any real historical Jesus sayings in either oral or written tradition - that they were not simply invented as literature by Luke or Matthew and then copied by the other. The entire reality of "Q sayings source" is based only on accepting the dubious premise that Luke/Matthew could not have known each other and therefore "Q part" of their gospels must have predated them both. I don't think Tabor has a good response to Goodacre.
I wish Jacob would have asked further questions about Roman provenance. Prof tabor cleared Paul but that doesn’t mean his writings weren’t used for that aim. Also I believe prof tabor also has a mid 1st century date for the gospels I believe
He already stated that he rejects Paul being a Herodian and doesn't think he was a Roman agent.
@@History-Valley come on Jacob get him on the 2nd century team like you did Valiant 🤣🤣
Who the heck is Paul!!! How about only 2 or 3 disciples of the Lamb wrote in the New Testament. Luke is not Mark is not, and certainly Paul never met HIM. CHRIST says things like i tell you, let no one deceive you. He didn't speak of things like its a mystery. The Holy Spirit will lead you into all truth. Follow The Messiah who said I AM THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE. Choose Life, not any dead man. The Most High said trust NO MAN. Cursed is the man that trust in man and maketh flesh his arm...
Jeremiah 17:5
Why do we still debate Paul. He is not the SAVIOUR of the world. The end.
Question? Is he saying Johns gospel was influenced by Paul? If so is he saying Johns gospel wasn’t written by the Apostles John himself? Who did know Jesus personally?
You are aware none of your Gossip (oops "Gospel") writers are known right? You are aware they are all anonymous men, none of which were eye-witness testimony, and NONE of them witnessed, knew, or SAW Jesus personally.
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John has accounts no other Gospel has. Jesus’ language is drastically unique in John’s gospel. Most of all John identifies himself at the end writing it, as the one that Jesus loved.
So do you doubt the validity of the scriptures?
@@trinitybassguitar-ru6dz Yeah, respectfully I see no evidence of that. I don’t know anything about John’s Gospel that’s remotely similar to Mark.
I don’t know any human miracle that John told of found any where else. Jesus teachings here are found no where else, the only common miracle is the feeding of the 5000 and even it is told vastly different.
The crucifixion unique, even certain disciples are made known in John but no where else. From John we learn intimately about Thomas, of two Judis’, of how Phillip & Nathanael came to Christ.
Also the acknowledgment of John the baptist and his testimony speaks of someone who knew him well.
No other Gospel gives us that in-depth knowledge.
How could that be just added unless it’s fictional?
Ill have to meditate on that but that seems to assume too much that cant be validated.
Most of all if an anonymous person said that they were ‘the one whom Jesus loved” and they were not, then the Bible can’t be trusted for the truth.
Thanks for your answers.
I dont know about John but Mark was definetly influenced by Paul
If Jesus' message was so critical to salvation, then why didn't he write it down so the truth wouldn't be left to chance? Or did he appoint Paul to write it down because Jesus couldn't write?
how come, paul is a false prophet, the biggest Jesus PBUH enemy
Paul vs James is a false narrative. It assumes, incorrectly, that the Apostle Paul had been redeemed. from the Law when James wrote his epistle. Actually, the Crucifixion that would accomplish that redemption was still in the future. Both James and Paul talk about faith but from two drastically different perspectives. James from his day to day experiences with Jesus before the Crucifixion, and Paul, decades later, from his supernaturally derived lessons from the Ressurected Savior.
Gotta walk the walk
The more scholars study christianity the more they prove that Islam is right about Jesus.
Thank you
He didn’t mean it in the literal sense,that the world was passing away.. The Epistle to Rheginos kinda shows that.
Jacob is the awkward silence king
No he's just a good listener
@@stevenv6463 when tovia singer explained that the Ieseus in the talmud could still be the Christian ieseus; but dated back BCE because Jews were persecuted in Europe over the talmud and all french talmuds were burned.
All of the talmud is esoteric; but Jacob reads it like it's a history account
@@andrewisjesus What does this have to do with my comment or this video?
It's just unfortunate how people simply don't get Paul.
Paul was a Pharisee, a student of the Law and had more knowledge about the Hebrew scriptures.
He interpreted who and what Jesus is from the point of view of Hebrew scriptures.
God said the Jews broke his Sinai Covenant and promised a New Covenant in Jeremiah 31:31-32.
Jesus is that covenant, as the righteous servant in Isaiah, the righteous branch in Jeremiah, the Lord who's messenger of the Covenant in Malachi.
As a covenant, which forms the basis of God's relationship with Men and also a means of bestowing Righteousness, Christ is the only way to God and the only one who justifies you before God.
This is what Paul preached.
This is the best lecture I've heard from Taber so far. Wooo, good sh@t here.
My study of the illuminazis has lead me here to Paul. I believe he was a guardian of the mysteries.
Do you know what mystery??
Do you know any mystery??
James Taylor rules!
@6:00 0:00 Aha Dr Tabor:
A Gentile who has found the key! This is the great reality that would unite so many from within the Abrahamic religions and their 'subsets.'
Everyone hails Jesus, but none follow him. Christians (especially first world 'Christians') say they follow Jesus, but their efforts are to follow Paul. Some say they are the same, but one cannot be saved by the teachings of Paul apart from h.a.v.i.n.g. first believed into the life (teachings) of Jesus any more than post resurrection Jews can be saved by attempting to keep the tenants of the decalogue apart from faith in the Son of God~~the Word of God.
Paul's teachings are a booby trap to false converts and a guide for the collective action/attitudes of the members of the body of Christ (the church).
The trick is that one cannot be a member of said body solely by attempting to acquesque to WHAT THEY BELIEVE Paul teaches; which faith is what the religious institutions teach.
This is the Spirit of the antiChrist.
how would Christianity look today if Paul did not fudge it? can someone explain?
It wouldnt exist
what paul say aligns with everyone desires. to live free of any rules and get free card to heaven
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Yes, exactly Desires .
It WOULD change the world, if we DID follow what Jesus SAID instead of just Accept, Believe and Confess.
I think mark was the 1st gospel written with insight/approval of the original 12 apostles. I think Luke comes later which is Paul/Luke’s expansion of the gospel. Then I think Mathew is written in response telling the same story as Luke but with all the corrections from the actual apostles view point. John is also written in response to Luke telling new stories that Paul/Luke didn’t know and a deeper meaning taught by Jesus. It also seems written directly towards Paul/Luke’s point of view. Acts through hebrews is written from Paul/Luke’s perspective. James through revelations is written from the original apostles point of view rebutting Paul’s ideas and again almost talking about him and his views directly without defaming him, as a good Christian would. 2 Peter is written a lot about Paul’s ideas and directly addresses him. Peter is the head of Jesus’ church. He knows Jesus told them to let the weeds grow up with wheat, that Jesus will sort them out later. Judas was amongst them and Jesus did not stop him. Peter knew to love his enemy. To forgive his enemy not 7 times but 70 times. The epistles of James, Peter, John and Jude are rebutting Paul in the most polite indirect way possible to be as truly Christian as possible the way Jesus himself taught us to be. It’s still an important lesson to have been learn in early Christianity and in all times. John speaks of antichrists, ones that could have full faith, but not true knowledge of Christ. Believing they had a direct line to god like Jesus did and knew his will better than others, even the apostles who walked with him. That being said Paul was the greatest evangelist of the time and brought many to at least believe in one god, Jesus his son and some of his teachings. Without Paul early Christian may not have survived. Now that it has it is time to rediscover the truth hidden in the texts and lost to time that Jesus brought us and started being passed down through the original twelve apostles. While my opinion is that Mathew, mark and john then James through revelations are true accounts passed down through the original 12 apostles and there for Jesus/God. They make more sense when related to Paul/Luke’s “scriptures”. So read the books again with the perspective/key that Paul was the evangelist but he didn’t get to know Jesus well so you can see where his ideas and stories don’t line up with Jesus’. The good thing is there is only one God, he is only good and he is only truth. So as misguided as we may become, we can always know him again it just takes work.
I will consider this in re reading. But what scholars or theologians supports this? If this was obvious I think it would have been discovered by now.
The letter of John definitely don't seem to he against Paul, or at least what I can remember of them. Paul 100% affirms Jesus has come in flesh, is the Lord, and is the son of God.
Good Christians 100% can call people out by name as wrong. Jesus called Judas a devil, he phariseess white washed tombs to their faces, Stephen also critiqued them and called them slow of mind to their faces. What do you mean a good Christian calls someone out covertly only?
Please give me, if you are willing, specific parts of Peter-Revelation that are specifically critiquing Paul. The only 2 that I could possibly think of are James and Revelation chapter 2-3 MAYBE. I don't even think James and Paul disagree, they say the same thing in different ways 99%. Paul's "faith" never did not include works and obedience as a result.
Usually when we are so against Paul or find him mistaken it's usually because we don't actually have a grasp on his actual theology and ideology.
@@youngknowledgeseeker I guess the scholarship is the growing consensus that Paul/Luke are authors of acts through hebrews. So there’s no other supporting evidence Paul was considered an apostle be the original 12. Then James through revelations are clearly rebutting the ideas that Paul and Luke lay out in acts through Hebrews. It’s essentially telling the story of the Cardinal Sin of human pride when we don’t humble ourselves and learn from the ones that came before us. When we closed our minds off and think we know better than others it limits us from having full faith. But again that wasn’t Paul’s calling. If he would have stayed and learned from the original twelve he probably wouldn’t have been as effective evangelist to the gentiles. His calling wasn’t knowing full faith it was to spread as many mustard seeds as possible. Spread the good news, there is one God, he was born flesh on earth, Jesus, and he brought great spiritual wealth to mankind. If you’ve heard and believe then come learn from the apostles he taught over years and founded his church through.
@@josephposenecker9741 what I would like please is specific verses or chapters from Peter through revelation, not in your own words. Also what growing consensus are you talking about, can you please give me names of Scholars or theologians?
@@youngknowledgeseeker I’m not going to copy and paste the Bible here. Read it as the complete book. The gospels tell one story, then acts through Hebrews tells a different one. Then James through revelations rebutes their ideas and backs up what the gospels say. Historically Paul’s epistles through hebrews has always been attributed to Paul. Some people now would say not all of Paul’s epistles aren’t written by him. More modern scholarship would say the style of writing in acts is the same as some of Paul’s epistles. Then there’s the whole new revelations from the Dead Sea scrolls where there’s growing evidence since the discovery of Qumran and more and more scrolls that tell of messianic Jews that had been preparing for the coming messiah hundreds of years before Jesus. Teaching healing and giving to the poor, a message of sinless lives devoted to love and community. We can even read their community rules describing many of the same traditions we knew early Christians followed. They even write about 12 members of the community being chosen to leave and spread their teachings around 100 BC. The process of how to choose those 12. There’s just more and more evidence Jesus didn’t just come to Sadducee’s and Pharisees, but there was a thriving group of messianic Jews ready for his arrival. There was already a very established religious group when he arrived. It didn’t just start from scratch when he came.
@Joseph Posenecker You are certainly still a brother in Christ to me, but if i may speak candidly, I kind of figured you couldn't show me any chapters or verses. Or any scholars. As Peter says, Paul is difficult to understand at times, im not sure if you understand what Paul actually seemed to have taught and believed according to his letters.
I asked because having read the New Testament, your interpretation just seems so foreign and speculative, though probably with sincere intention.
It's ok to be humble and say things like, "I don't know", or "I could be wrong".
I take, what I perceive to be, Paul slander or misinterpretation so very personally. He's the only one of the Apostles to be so violently misunderstood and opposed and he worked so hard and as far as I know had a message the Apostles never judged as incorrect.
2 Corinthians 12:1-4. 14 years ago, Paul would have met with the Apostle John and Daniel- Revelation 4:1; Revelation 10:1-7, when the shut prophecies were ready to be accomplished, which I believe did have something to do with the mystery of God which had been hidden before the foundation of the world. Deuteronomy 29:29; Romans 16:25-26; Colossians I:25-29; Psalm 25:14; Matthew 13:11.
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Jésus Christ died for our sins and iniquities as a sacrifice, rose up from the dead 3 days later so we can have eternal life
The facts prove otherwise
@@MCXM111 no
paul didn't 'break from the other apostles'. paul was never a part of them.
Scholars always invent their own hypotheses to try to distinguish themselves from other scholars, hoping for that eureka moment that will define their careers… but they always ignore the fact that the audiences Paul wrote to were always Jews and people whom Paul believed were non-Jewish descendants of the tribes of Israel, which means the entire New Testament isn’t relevant to anyone today. It’s Israel’s story, a story that ended in AD70.
This is all fiction. How pathetic.
Paul instead of agreeing to take Nazarite vow he can simply inform James and Peter that I got latest updated revelation directly from Jesus Christ and you people have to follow me.
He was trying to show, in the narrative of Acts, that he doesnt have a problem with Jewish people keeping the law and still has respect. Remember the charge was that he was teaching Jews to stop keeping the law, not Gentile converts, they didn't care about Gentile converts not keeping the law in the narrative.
I do find it a little bit odd though that Acts is maybe portraying Paul as someone who himself still keeps the Jewish law, and not just will adhere to it when needing to out of respect. But I think we can see that in his own writings he thanks the law is Holy and good but inefficient to help us fully. I think he thinks that some of his practices are just completely over with and ancient. And I think he himself says that he thinks that he is not under law anymore ( not that his Lawless however as he says he is under God's law but that it's the law of Christ now).
Paul had done everything right to bring Jesus to the world ; separate it from the race-based Jewish religion.
Yes people don't understand that this was the, what he claimed was the, Revelation he had been given. It's for all people without having to conform to erase based religion which was for a time and a purpose and a place which had now been fulfilled. It is a lot to take in, to this day I have to keep double checking to make sure that he's not a false prophet. I don't think he is and I don't think that God would accidentally allow false prophet to be half of the New Testament
Jesus came to show us the way out of this reincarnation loop , illumination metaphors is what the Bible is , including the new testament. When John Baptise's Jesus , the wedding in Canin , All give detailed metaphors of what takes place when one becomes illuminated, most do not know this or understand this , the cross was a symbol way way before Christianity, so Jesus came to show us how to get back to the true father The Monad The One.
Paul had his whole family and relatives collecting money ,although he says it's ok but I don't take any of the money myself, but where did the money that was collected by his family go where are the accounts.
He was a Mossad and his mission was to disconnect Jesus who was a Jewish prophet from Judaism and the Jewish temple
My Book, My book, My book; ad nauseum.
He may be right, but at the end of the day in the USA, it's all about business.
QUESTIONS: If Jesus was the result of a virgin birth and, in addition, if Jesus had brothers then how is it that they too were not born of a virgin birth? Also, if Joseph of Arimathea was not Jesus's blood father, might Mary have been impregnated by some other human being than Joseph of Arimathea? Just asking.
Even better - if Christians refuse to aknoweldge Jesus as a patriarchal line of David, how is he the Messiah? They have buried themselves in the 4th century catholic lies. Thankfully, the virgin birth hoax is one of the best documented corruptions of the original texts, and Jesus does indeed seem to be - the Son of David.
Joseph the father of Jesus and Joseph of arimithea are two different people. Jesus was the first born child of Joseph and Mary, conceived of the Holy Spirit and born of a virgin, Mary. Mary was still a virgin because at this point in time they were only engaged to be married, so the marriage had not yet been consummated. It is perfectly reasonable to assume that the brothers of Jesus were conceived as a result of relations between Mary and Joseph after the birth of Jesus and the consummation of their marriage which by this time would have happened.
WHAT IS SPECIAL ABOUT BEING A HINDU?
By Francois Gautier.
*Diversity in Divinity and Unity in Spirituality.* Be Your Own Messiah.
1) Believe in God ! - Aastik - Accepted
2) Don't believe in God ! - You're accepted as Nastik
3) You want to worship idols - please go ahead. You are a murti pujak.
4) You dont want to worship idols - no problem. You can focus on Nirguna Brahman.
5) You want to criticise something in our religion. Come forward. We are logical. Nyaya, Tarka etc. are core Hindu schools.
6) You want to accept beliefs as it is. Most welcome. Please go ahead with it.
7) You want to start your journey by reading Bhagvad Gita - Sure !
8) You want to start your journey by reading Upanishads - Go ahead.
9) You want to start your journey by reading Purana - Be my guest.
10) You just don't like reading Puranas or other books. No problem my dear. Go by Bhakti tradition . ( bhakti- devotion)
11) You don't like idea of Bhakti ! No problem. Do your Karma. Be a karmayogi.
12) You want to enjoy life. Very good. No problem at all. This is Charvaka Philosophy.
13) You want to abstain from all the enjoyment of life & find God - jai ho ! Be a Sadhu, an ascetic !
14) You don't like the concept of God. You believe in Nature only - Welcome. (Trees are our friends and Prakriti or nature is worthy of worship).
15) You believe in one God or Supreme Energy. Superb! Follow Advaita philosophy
16) You want a Guru. Go ahead. Receive gyaan.
17) You don't want a Guru.. Help yourself ! Meditate, Study !
18) You believe in Female energy ! Shakti is worshipped.
19) You believe that every human being is equal. Yeah! You're awesome, come on let's celebrate Hinduism!
"Vasudhaiva kutumbakam" (the world is a family)
20) You don't have time to celebrate the festival.
Don't worry. One more festival is coming! There are multiple festivals every single day of the year.
21) You are a working person. Don't have time for religion. Its okay. You will still be a Hindu.
22) You like to go to temples. Devotion is loved.
23) You don't like to go to temples - no problem. You are still a Hindu!
24) You know that Hinduism is a way of life, with considerable freedom.
25) You believe that everything has God in it. So you worship your mother, father, guru, tree, River, Prani-matra, Earth, Universe!
26) And If you don't believe that everything has GOD in it - No problems. Respect your viewpoint.
27) "Sarve jana sukhino bhavantu " (May you all live happily)
You represent this! You're free to choose, my dear Hindu!
This is exactly the essence of Hinduism, all inclusive .. That is why it has withstood the test of time inspite of repeated onslaught both from within and outside, and assimilated every good aspects from everything . That is why it is eternal !!!
There is a saying in Rigveda , the first book ever known to mankind which depicts the Hinduism philosophy in a Nutshell -" Ano bhadrah Krathavo Yanthu Vishwathah"- Let the knowledge come to us from every direction......
So... nothing?
What is this nonsense?
@@dustinellerbe4125 if you're A, you're a hindu, if you're not A, you're a hindu, if you're B, youre a hindu, if you're not B, you're a hindu... lather, rinse, and repeat until you've included all possible people
@@bouncycastle955 exactly lol
@@dustinellerbe4125 It makes a lot more sense than the idiotic nonsense found in the primitive Abrahamic religions.. Of course, it helps if you are caapable of serious thought. Unlike the Abrahamic religkions where gullibility and fear of thinking are what works best.
James was teaching Social Justice.
I like better the Tantra Christianity after the Samana tradition (Buddhism) and build the Christ image from there...
Paul says he does not lie. Why would he? Lucky lucky for Paul: his seed fell on good ground. So many souls didn't and are down there in Hell.
Now the cat is out of the bag, makes you wonder why people still remain Christian when you know it is not the teachings of Jesus.
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I'm Muslim and when I was reading the bible I have understood its basically Paul who has created fundamental base of Christianity. Christians are not following jesus teachings Infact they are following Paul teachings. Gesus said I was sent to the lost sheep's of israele and nothing one else. He was also warned of false prophet. This false prophet according to me is :::::: who has change basics of Abraham religion
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I have actually come to Tantra Samana Christianity from my Tamizh background of being born again by the Virgin Mother(Saraswati) into Eternal Bodily Life that was guarded by yhe Seraphim with the flaming sword...
Wrong Mr. Tabor.
The epistles, whether of Paul, Peter, James or John, are all in perfect harmony.
Wrong... Saul Paul is a Pharisee and Herordian too. Roman passport...wolf in sheep's clothing, Jesus warned you.
But you only hear Paul's voice...
Jesus born a jew died a jew. Paul made up the rest for control and power....
The 40 days in the desert was actually 40 years. The virgin birth was ALLEGORY.
Wow tabor has been studying paul for 40 years, he better study a little bit more with a statement like “The gospel of paul is the crucifixion of Christ” wow you must be kidding! You know nothing of Paul’s gospel with a statement like that. Paul’s gospel has to do with the resurrection of Christ, and the new gospel given to him by Jesus in Paul’s conversion. It’s better Tabor keeps his mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.
How important are the words of 4 (four) gospels. The words of Jesus are said to be beyond one's ability to record in books. I for one long to know those words. We are denied the priviledge. The four gospels are this important.
While we are making shit up, can we do the brand of porridge the three bears were eating next? Then perhaps we could talk about the breed of cow Jack swopped for the magic beans, we already know the breed of the three little pigs, they were Gloucester old spots.
This is all a big waste of conversation. Go read Science and Health with Keys to the Scriptures by Mary Baker Eddy.
Absolutely ! Saul (Paul) received certificates from authorities to capture and kill Christians without trial, even as far away as Damascus thanks to the Roman Empire with laws and rules that allowed Paul to obtain permission from the high priest and then to go capture people in another city.
How did Paul obtain this power? The High Priest and the Jewish Sanhedrin of Jerusalem collaborated with the Romans, and one politician of this period had deep ties to the High Priesthood of the Temple of Jerusalem and political influence in Damascus: Herod Antipas the Tetrarch!
Saul/Paul was able to fulfill his desire to persecute Christians in the name of the high priest throughout the Roman Empire because his family was close to Herod's family! Saul therefore needed religious authority (Temple) and needed Roman authority in Damascus (King Aretas IV of Damascus) to allow this!
King Aretas IV who ruled Damascus, Petra and Arabia during the period of Paul's conversion (Paul preached for 3 years in Arabia, Damascus, Petra (Galatians 1:17), was the father-in-law of Herod Antipas the Tetrarch. John the Baptist preached against Herod Antipas for having divorced his wife in order to marry his half-brother's wife named Herodias, his own niece, daughter of his half-brother Aristobulus IV. John the Baptist defended the honor of Herod Antipas' first wife: Phasaelis, daughter of King Aretas IV
Moreover, it was Herod Antipas (Tetrarch of Galilee and Perea) and Herodias who ordered the beheading of John the Baptist (Matthew 14:1-12, Mark 6:16-29), and when Yeshua was arrested in Jerusalem, the procurator of Judea Pontius Pilate sent him to Herod Antipas, who had come to celebrate the Jewish Passover in the capital, but quickly returned him to Pontius Pilate without judging him (Luke 23:1-11), then Pontius Pilate and Herod became friends (Luke 23:12), John the Baptist and Yeshua are of the same family, and this same Herod met John and Yeshua!
In the church at Antioch, certain "prophets and teachers" like Barnabas, Simeon who was called Niger, Lucius of Cyrene and Manahen were raised with Herod the tetrarch and Saul (Acts 13:1)
When Paul is arrested, the commander assigns 200 soldiers, 70 horsemen, 200 archers to protect Paul (Acts 23:23-24), Paul was a Roman citizen, but Roman citizens did not normally receive 470 bodyguards. Paul was protected because he was related to the family of Herod Agrippa!
Flavius Josephus cites Saul and a certain Costobar in his "Judaic Antiquities, Book 20, ch.9, passage 214" as violent evil people who spread evil and robbed the weakest because they were of royal race and very much in favor because of their relationship with Agrippa... a few passages later, Costobar and Saul left Jerusalem! Paul had companions with him when he left Jerusalem to go to Damascus (Acts 9:7, 22:9, 26:13-14), everything fits!
Flavius Josephus cites Festus, he who attended the judgment of Paul (Acts 25:1-27), also James, brother of Yeshua where he emphasizes his judgment by the Sanhedrin (Judaic Antiquities Book 20, Ch.9, passage 200 ), this proves that Saul cited by the author is indeed Paul of Tarsus!
Costobarus and Saul are the grandsons of Costobarus, since Costobarus married Salome, had a daughter named Berenice who married Aristobulus IV, one of Herod's sons. Both are the parents of the future kings Herod Agrippa I and Herod of Chalcis, as well as that of Herodias. Together, they also have a son called Antipater, who will have two sons: Costobar and Saul who is the apostle Paul of Tarsus! Paul greets those in Aristobulus' house (Romans 16:10), and Aristobulus is a Herodian! so he loved spending time with his family members.
Paul is therefore from the royal family of Agrippa (Herod) who took advantage of this status to ravage innocent people and spread evil! Moreover, Herod ravaged the churches, killed James brother of John, and put Peter in prison during Passover (Acts 12:1-5), but the Lord delivered Peter from his prison by his Angel who sent him ( Acts 12:6-11), Paul identifies his Herodian parents since he greets a member of his family named "Herodium" who calls him "my kinsman" (Romans 16:11), Herodion is a Greek name which is a diminutive of 'Herod, which indicates links between his family and the descendants of Herod the Great!
Unlike Yeshua who was unjustly condemned and committed no fault, Paul this murderer received the favor of Agrippa who declared that Paul "did nothing to deserve death or prison" (Acts 26: 31), normal, since Paul is from Agrippa's family!
Paul was a friend of Caesar, as was Pontius Pilate (John 19:12), Paul invoked Caesar in his judgment (Acts 25:10-12), he also greets those of Caesar's house (Philippians 4:22).
Paul was therefore present during the trial and crucifixion of Yeshua!
Yeshua said : "Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the leaven of Herod" (Mark 8:15), since Paul is a Pharisee and a Herodian, Yeshua therefore warned us to beware and flee from hypocrites and murderers like Paul! Paul is undoubtedly the one who helped the Pharisees free Barabbas and crucify Yeshua instead!
( Will Christians And Jews and "OTHER" non-Muslims go to Heaven? )
Quran 2:62
'' Those who believe (in the Quran) and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures) and the Christians and the Sabians->ANYAllah< Is The Protector Of Monasteries, Churches, Synagogues And The Mosques )
Quran 22:40
[They are] those who have been evicted from their homes without right - only because they say, " Our Lord is God " And were it not that God checks the people, some by means of others, there would have been demolished monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques in which the name of God is much mentioned. And God will surely support those who support Him. Indeed, God is Powerful and Exalted in Might.
Note: Why did Allah protected Churches and Synagogues if they worship false Allah ?
( Why Are There So Many Different Religions In The World ? )
Quran 5 48
''...... If God wanted He could have made all of you a single nation.( ie single religion ) But He willed otherwise in order to test you in what He has given you (ie Scriptures) therefore try to excel one another in good deeds. Ultimately you all shall return to God then He will show you the truth of those matters in which you '' >DISPUTE verb < not noun like other religions
Islam mean "submission" to God
( The above verse saying is that God will not accept a religion from the >MUSLIM< and the Non-Muslims but total "submission" to God )
Question: How Can Muslim And the Non-Muslim "submit" to the God?
Answer: Be kind to other human beings and Do not lie, Do not steal, Do not cheat, Do not hurt others, Do not be prideful and Do the charity work.
Note: If you obeyed all the ABOVE Allah-God's moral laws "YOU" submitted to God.( ie Islam mean "submission" to God )
The only people who will enter Paradise those who '' Submitted to God '' ( ie by Good Deeds )
God does NOT accept your religion of birth but only ''Your Total'' Submission to Him.
( God Allows Interfaith Marriages And Eat Food From the Christian And Jew And Vice Versa )
Quran 5:5
''This day [all] good foods have been made lawful, and the food of those who were given the Scripture (ie Christian and Jew) is lawful for you and your food is lawful for them. And lawful in marriage are chaste women from among the believers (ie Muslim ) and chaste women from among those who were given the Scripture (ie Christian and Jew) before you, when you have given them their due compensation, desiring chastity not unlawful sexual intercourse or taking [secret] lovers. And whoever denies the faith - his work has become worthless and he in the Hereafter will be among the losers.''
Note: > Only < Islam allows interfaith marriages (>14 hundredsSame God< but They are >ALL Corrupt< more or less, some more than others from their original foundational teaching. The older religion are MORE corrupted than newer religion.
Question to Muslim and Christian:
Does God / Allah only answer your pray ?
And God / Allah does not answer non Muslim / non Christian pray?
Did Allah '' Canceled '' all other religions Judaism and Christianity?
Quran 5:48
'' And We have revealed to you [O Muhammad] the Book in truth, confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture ( ie New and old Testament ) and as a criterion over it. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed and do not follow their inclinations away from what has come to you of the truth. >>>TO EACH OF YOU WE PRESCRIBED A LAW AND A METHODone nation>differ qualified < for to enter Paradise )
On the day of judgement God will ''NOT'' judge humanity bases on Sunni Muslim sect VS Shia Muslim sect ''NOR'' by Muslim VS non-Muslim >but< Doer of Goods VS Doer of Evils.
'' YOUR " birth in the Muslim's family is NOT a > qualification < for to enter the Paradise.
'' YOUR " religion / sect / foot long beard is NOT a > qualification < for to enter the Paradise.
The > qualification < to enter Paradise is > Faith in God and Good Work
You did all that copy n paste 4 NOTHING! SMH
So you think that there is a man up in the sky that will torture you forever and knows it before creating, but creates anyways just to feed his ego?
Exactly, Pauls creed for followers of Paul.
Church here named for Paul, has Harry Potter trivia night for kids...lol
Satanic followers of Paul
You really say hello, thanks for coming, are you well? Before launching into a long question.
The problem of Paul is that he truncated the 550 laws that God gave the Prophets down to 4 laws. Jesus told us that not one jot or tittle will not be removed from the Law ie 550 Laws. We will be judged by the 550 Laws on what we have said and done!
Paul, the Herodian ... awful person ...
TABOR SOUNDS VERY NERVOUS WHEN THE JEWS INVOLVED IN DEATH OF CHRIST QUESTION POPS UP...FEAR OF THE JEWS EXPOSED IN HIM....
My only disagreement with you James is your claim that Yeshua was telling people to be celibate , He was saying the exact opposite , He was saying that IN HEAVEN there is no marriage but on earth marriage is between one man and one woman , together they are one and that He's against divorce
Yeshua was not saying there is no marriage in heaven. He was not telling people to be celibate and he was not telling his followers not to eat meat.
@@nokhchi1079 this doesn't say that there's no marriage IN HEAVEN ???
Matthew 22:29-30 KJV
29)"Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
30)For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven."
I don't know who you're talking about , I never claimed that Yeshua taught celibacy . Unfortunately , one has to go outside of the bible in order to prove Yeshua taught vegetarianism .
@@koreyoneal2623 I meant to say that that there won’t be the institution of marriage and contracts like we do now. But will have permanent partners. Like how Adam and Eve were. They lived in heaven, no marriage contract was written but they were together.
@@nokhchi1079 so now The Garden of Eden was in Heaven ???? Where are you getting that from ???
@@koreyoneal2623 According to the 2nd Book of Enoch, the Garden of Eden is not on Earth, but in the 3rd Heaven (II Enoch 8-9:1)
Sayings of Prophet Muhammad(pbuh).
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said.
Jesus, the son of Mary, upon him be peace, used to say, “Do not speak too much without remembering Allah, for it will harden your hearts and a hard heart is the furthest from Allah, if only you knew. Do not look at the sins of people as if you were lords, rather look at your own sins as if you were slaves. Verily, some people are put to trial and others are granted safety, so be merciful to those under trial and praise Allah for your safety.”
( Hadith from Al Muwatta).
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)said.
“Jesus, son of Mary, saw a person he thought was stealing. Jesus said to him: Have you committed theft? The man said: No, by Him besides whom there is no God! Jesus said: I believe in Allah and I disbelieve my eyes.”
(Hadith from Bukhari and Muslim).
Prophet(pbuh) said, ‘The Hour will not be established until the son of Mary [Jesus] descends among you as a just ruler. He will break the cross, kill the pigs, and abolish the jizyah(tax), Money will be in abundance so that nobody will accept it (as charitable gifts).
(Hadith from Al-Bukhari and Muslim).
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said
“By Allah, the son of Mary will descend as a just ruler. He will abolish the cross, kill the swine, and annul the tribute, but he will leave the she-camel such that no one collects from it. He will cause rancor, hatred, and envy to disappear, and he will call people to give their wealth in charity but no one will need it.”
(Hadith from Muslim)
Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) once said:
"There are seven whom Allah(God) will shade on the Day of Judgement…”
He went on to mention six of them and finally concluded by saying:
“…A man who gives in charity and hides it, such that his left hand does not know what his right hand gives in charity; and a man who remembered Allah(God) in private and so his eyes shed tears.”
(Abu Hurairah & collected in Saheeh al-Bukhari (English trans. vol.1, p.356, no.629)
Aisha reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Follow the right course, be devoted, and give glad tidings. Verily, none of you will enter Paradise by his deeds alone.” They said, “Not even you, O Messenger of Allah?” The Prophet said, “Not even me, unless Allah grants me His mercy. Know that the most beloved deed to Allah is that which is done regularly, even if it is small.”
Source: Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī 6467, Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 2818
Messenger of Allah, (SAWS) said,
“Verily, what I fear most for you is the lesser idolatry.” And he elaborated, “It is showing off. Allah the Exalted will say to them (who show off), on the Day of Resurrection when the people are being rewarded for their deeds: Go to those whom you wished to show off in the world and look for your reward with them.” (Musnad Ahmad Hadith 23119)
Abu Sa’id Al-Khudri reported: The Messenger of Allah (SAWS), entered upon us while we were discussing the False Messiah. He said,
“Shall I not tell you about what I fear for you more than the presence of the False Messiah?” We said, “Of course!” He said, “Hidden idolatry; that a man stands for prayer and beautifies his prayer because he sees another man looking at him.” (Ibn Majah Hadith 4202).
The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Pay the worker his wages before his sweat has dried.”
(Source: Sunan Ibn Mājah 2443).
Some may think Prophet Muhammad copied from James's letter but as a Muslim we think that all moral values and teachings came from same source i.e from God Almighty.
Christ will make a real believer out of you, guaranteed.
Slow slow talking , I forgot what he is talking about.😮😅
You know you can speed up the video right?
Wow - Tabor is worse than Wilson. Wet mouth noises before almost every darn sentence! I really wish I could watch these talks without the distracting diction tics. They should watch some of your James Valiant interviews to see how it’s done properly. This isn’t meant to be an attack - it’s sincere disappointment. I really want to be able to listen to these talks. Maybe try having a glass or bottle of water handy?
This man thinks he is most knowledgeable , truthful,than all Bible writers as St.Paul,St.James, Matthew,Luke. He is boastful,proud to say he knows what authors were thinking.
The mischievious mind of man in his sin and darkness trying to understand what is beyond his natural frame. Janes Tabor is not the only scholar who has something to say about early Christianity which begins on the day of Pentecost and continues until this same Jesus or Yeshua will come in glory on the day of judgment to separate sheep,that is the believing elect both Judean and Greek as Paul says and as Jesus commanded when he commissions his apostles to evangelize the world , from the goats who will be judged and assigned a place in gehenna for all eternity. I will build my Ecclesia and the gates of Hades will not prevail. That ecclesia beginning in Jerusalem and which exists in all generations until all Jesus came to save from their sins come to a saving knowledge of the Son of the Living God through the preached word attended by the Holy Spirit. I wonder why the host in his opening remarks left out the conversion of Paul in the book of Acts? He uses the New Testament to solidify his view very conveniently which sunful men are always apt to do and do it in what seems to be quite plausable to serve their own ends. For these fellas the bible is not theopneustos, god-breathed but a mere production of the natural man. No Spirit only the carnal workings of mind presented here.