Understanding the Apostle Paul: A Two Hour Conversation
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- Paul is arguably the most influential human being in history. He is both loved and hated. praised and damned, but for billions of people he offers the fundamental foundation of Christianity--even more than Jesus in the Gospels. In the two-hour conversation I explore with David LeBlanc @davidleblanc1811 the various parameters of understanding Paul in his own time--with implications for our world today.
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One thing that can be discerned from James Tabor is his keen eye for the decorative arts. One his walls, I first noticed the walls to be textured through decorative plaster but closer inspection shows well-executed faux marbling! Also, there's the buffet table right behind time with decorative artwork and gold accents. I Well Done!
Ha! But did you not notice our little dog. Watch closely. My wife is an interior designer, painter, potter.
I was thinking the same thing!
Nice exegesis!
I noticed that too. What a lovely house you feel good vibes just from that little clip.
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2 hours is the bare minimum for starting a conversation like this.
Rare Jacob sighting
I treat the long videos as a podcast and turn it on while i do chores and the like
You’re absolutely right. I love long talks of this type.
I too can listen to James Tabor for hours and hours .
Thank You
A 2-hour video is too long? Well after I get done listening to one of Dr. Tabor's podcast.
Then I get my Kindle and listen to an hour of his audiobook. LOL 😮 It's the truth
Thanks for making these 💖
I love to hear YOU and David...
You two rock!
Mr Tabor, It was a real pleasure.
Time flew by.
Please reconvene
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Wonderful content, once again. Thank you.
Incredible interview. Thank you
I love information give factually. I appreciate the humor. It never feels like two hours. Thanks for being courageous.
I’m hooked !
We do love long in depth videos with you Professor Tabor! Thank you so so much for all you do, truly thank you. Please keep them coming k?
Love your work
Just like biblical and historical evidence proves that jesus and his apostles were vegatarians biblical and historical evidence also proves that the trinity, atonement, original sin and hell are very late misinterpretations and are not supported by the early creed hence its not a part of Christianity I pray that Allah swt revives Christianity both inside and out preserves and protects it and makes its massage be witnessed by all people but at the right moment, place and time
The secred text of the Bible says ye shall know them by their fruits
So too that I say to my christian brothers and sisters be fruitful and multiply
Best regards from a Muslim ( line of ismail )
Personally love the detail you go into as I like the minutiae of how scholarship works.
I love deep dive but not extra long drawn out. Ty
I'm so grateful for you guys. It helps me.
I see it was Paul, that did something.
What?
Can't say.
I look forward to watching your long vids they're my escape...
look at that place... very classy home!
I watched the whole thing...I did watch a Mets game in between however. 🙂 Really fascinating discussion. Thank you.
My understanding is that Paul emphasizes "my Gospel" as preached to the audience/church he planted rather than alternative versions other members were interpreting to appease contentions within the congregation... "my Gospel" narrows it to what he (Paul) initially preached to the same church audience...
They don’t seem long because you pack such quality information into them.
I bought Tabors book Paul and Jesus, excellent work. Thanks.
It’s bs but a great waste of money!!!
nice how James voice keeps fading in and out!
Thank you Dr. Tabor!!! I truly hope there is are two available spots the next time you go to Israel!!!
What do you mean by that.
I hear a lot that Catholics don't read the Bible. But in my day, every Catholic home had a family Bible. We could refer to it any time we wanted. I gave both my adult children a Bible as wedding presents.
And in weekly Mass, every Sunday, both an epistle and a gospel passage is read. So, we heard a Bible reading at least every week for our entire youth! ( Sunday is A Holy day of obligation for Catholics, in the same way the Shabbat is for Jews) And it was discussed in the Priest's homily and often after Church at home. Also, we had Catechism class in school then, in which the Bible, including the Old Testament was referenced all the time. The psalms are written into most of the hymns we sing in Church too.
So we get a good exposure to the Bible, or did when I was growing up.
🙏💚🧡not seen yet but I'm reading the life of Paul in a french study of the 19th century...so will see if I understand him!🙏 But my big subject is what did he went to study 15years in Mesopotamia, because this is actual and could well explain his problem. And how he tried to solve it.
Great discussion and good job by the host.
I don't like Paul but I really liked the book Paul and Jesus. Looking forward to reading the Schweitzer book on the mysticism angle.
● O wretched man that i am, who shall DELIVER... im not a student of Paul, but you should remember that the benefits of Christ (the benefactor) include the first three graces (gifts)...to save, to heal and to deliver. Holiness is a faith that trusts in the forgivness of a loving father who has that forgiveness in his hand. Before you even think a sinful thought, his love will cover it. Salvation is of the heart. Healing is of the soul. DELIVERANCE is of the MIND and is directly related to HOLINESS.
I love listening to these interviews. Thank you for uploading.
If James the Apostle could see his brother’s legacy today…
He wouldn’t recognize it because it isn’t Jesus’s legacy; it’s Paul’s.
@@AereForst True! 💯
@@AereForst And also Paul would not recognize it. Paul was no Christian!
The Gnostics have changed the story and Christianity just came into existence after the year 64 when the temple was destroyed. That date is for sure.
Paul did not create christianity that was a process after the destruction of the temple. Much texts of Paul have been rewritten espc by Gnostics. And the Gnostic became very opposed to Judaism ad there leading figure was Marcion who did corrupt the NT.
@@AereForstImagine how furious they'd be to see it co-opted and propagandised for the Roman Empire they fought against
Impressive house!
People who quote Ephesians 2: 8-9 often fail to include the last line of this argument in verse 10, where he brings up the idea of being made for good works. Peace and blessings and thanks for all you do!
People because of religious tradition miss that this is a conversion experience or event. It coincides to me with parable of the sower.
True! 💯
I love the long deep dives. I'm still waiting for The Gospel According to James Tabor where you outline the deeds and theology of David Koresh for a popular audience in the style of a gospel narrative. I think it would be a crying shame if that book goes unwritten.
Shalom . I listened to it all , in 1 go. Hi James , what are the list of the 7 authentic books of Paul?
Excellent Discussion. Its interesting how Paul ( a very well educated Jew) was able to receive and recognize the Will of God concerning non-Jews in the New Covenant. Also how the 'keeping of the law' was ultimately ineffective to have people quit behaving badly so now the walk of faith involving 'receiving spiritual instruction in righteousness via the mind of Christ' is the rule for Christian conduct.
Is it still possible to actually reconstruct what Jesus' original school of thought was? Can you make a video about that?
Almost impossible to find Jesus, because his attitudes and perspectives were much too divergent from those who knew him. I think we have lost any clear statement of his essential message.
The best way to put it is to keep at least the 10 Commandments, including the 7th day Sabbath and holy days...however, he also kept the Torah aka the Laws of Moses...Jesus came as an example of how to honor God, to live like Jesus is to live the right path...he was a Jew that came to cleanse the Law of the Pharisees...easy peasy to answer...
We sure do love these long videos. Thank you Prof. Paul is simply fascinating.
This reminds me of Rudolf Steiner's teachings
He met Jesus.. on the Damascus road!!
Just like biblical and historical evidence proves that jesus and his apostles were vegatarians biblical and historical evidence also proves that the trinity, atonement, original sin and hell are very late misinterpretations and are not supported by the early creed hence its not a part of Christianity I pray that Allah swt revives Christianity both inside and out preserves and protects it and makes its massage be witnessed by all people but at the right moment, place and time
The secred text of the Bible says ye shall know them by their fruits
So too that I say to my christian brothers and sisters be fruitful and multiply
Best regards from a Muslim ( line of ismail )
4 different accounts....😂
So are we making more out it Paul than is in the text? Unless Paul is some kind of inspired genius the tons of literature the lifetimes of sermons can't be justified. It's like Shakespeare, he was a smart guy and all but what is written about his plays can't be nearly correct. There is just too much of it and conflicting all over the place. Paul believed that Jesus was returning in his lifetime. How does that square with Jesus and Paul sharing some ultimate truth. Early Christianity was a mess. Sex was almost forbidden. You could not wear jewelry or makeup. Dancing and singing were out. You could not be a soldier or a politician. Christians did not mingle with others except to try and convert them because you might be tempted at any moment. The Christian life was like the ascetics life and that gets reflected down through the early ages. Life was to be endured for a greater life was ahead. To be a martyr was great, something to aspire towards, like Jesus, to die for your belief would mean a high place in heaven.
I take biting into the forbidden fruit as creation of agriculture and civilization...the sin in it is going from the lack of need for sin in hunter gatherer culture to the greed of humans that grew with agriculture and civilization...
The short video rule generally applies when someone just babbles and takes forever to make a point. Too many seem enamored with the sound of their own voice
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Excellent 👍 The thing is the bible is up to nearly 800k words, depending on version. Thus to discuss in depth, it requires a lot of words to address each biblical word!
In the pauline documents, are there any references to the neviʾim or ketuvim stories?
Paul's letter to the Corinthians at 1Corinthians 1:12-18 we don't follow religion but we are to follow Christ.
My question about Paul is, if he thought the end was near, is it because "Jesus" told him such? Paul is the very definition of enigma
Of course, the resurrected Jesus could well meet with and train Paul. He can appear at wii and had to have been doing a lot of coaching of his followers or without Jesus and with persecution they would have lost momentum.
When did the Gospels n Epistles first show up in the historical record??
Brother James Tabor resembles the face in the shroud of Turin a little bit. 😳😂 Mr. JT is one of my favorite dudes ever!
The most ignored verse in the Christian Bible is Romans four verse five to him that does not work, but, believes in him who saves the sinner , that man is justified yes, it’s a smack in James’s whole teaching, which is why I believe Paul went after James when he saw that letter circulating teaching that is by “faith, whatever that meant to James and works.
I have started this conversation several times, and each time there are a number of short disruptions, especially as Dr. Tabor speaks. Is there a fresh copy of this talk? I am not getting the "burps" in other TH-cam videos. I hate missing any word from either man.
it's driving me bonkers too!
I believe that the 12 apostles and Paul split after the antioch Incident in Galatians 2. Paul says that Barnabas left him, that Peter wants Gentiles to live like Jews and that James basically represents the circumcision party. Paul on the other hand doesn't want anything to do with the law. He even says that anyone who practices circumcision loses Jesus. This is also one reason why the Ebionites rejected Paul. They even quoted this verse.
That being said, Acts and Acts 15 are basically propaganda to present unity among the 12 and Paul and is therefore not reliable. Acts also doesn't even mention the antioch incident. And Paul on the hand doesn't mention the 4 commandments of Acts 15. And the reason why Barnabas left Paul in Acts and Galatians are also contradictory.
For me it's clear, Paul is basically the founder of today's Christianity
If I could add some small nuance, Paul didn't seem interested in going around telling Jewish people they were not under the law of Moses and instead only made sure Gentiles who were faithful to the gospel know they don't have to be.
Paul doesn't ban Jewish-Christians right to be Jewish, but warns Gentiles not to become Jewish for religious reasons and warns Jewish people to not force that idea into the gospel.
He is clear that he thinks that no one believing in Christ is under the law but wouldn't purposefully antagonize a group of Jewish-Christians minding their own business with this.
All this is to say that maybe they didn't split in an irreconcilable manner but were on neutral terms at the very least. Paul's accusation of Peter is very interesting, speaking to Peter he claims that Peter no longer lived like a Jew himself and so why would he force that idea onto Gentiles?
@@youngknowledgeseeker if you read Romans 7, Ephesians or Galatians, Paul even says that the law is ended for Jewish Christians as well. Anyone who gets circumcised loses Jesus, Christ will be of no value for him. James Tabor says the same.
That being said, there was a split. But the problem is, we dont know for sure how and when. If you read Galatians, it could be after the Antioch incident. That would make sense. And Paul says that Peter wants Gentiles to live like Jews. These are not my words but Paul's words. And the reason why Peter didn't to want eat with Gentiles could be that Peter just didn't want to eat meat sacrificed to idols. Or since James is the head of the church, he changed his opinion. Peter never responded to this matter. Acts doesn't cover this incident up. But we know that Barnabas basically sided with Peter and James on the matter of Gentiles having to live like Jews.
@@youngknowledgeseekerAmbrosiaster (First-second Corinthians by Gerald Lewis Bray)
"The Jewish believers who nevertheless continued to observe the law of Moses denied that Paul was an apostle because he taught that it was no longer necessary to be circumcised or observe the sabbath. Even the other apostles thought that he was teaching something different because of this, and they denied he was an apostle."
28.5.1-3. Epiphanius on Ebionites:
"They break with Paul because he does not accept circumcision, but they also reject him because he said, "You who would be justified by the law have fallen away from grace" [Gal. 5:4] and "If you receive circumcision, Christ will be of no advantage to you" [Gal. 5:2"
James Tabor:
*"I nonetheless hold that Paul as a Jew considered the Sinai covenant obsolete and abrogated, for Gentiles of course, but also for Jews."*
*"none of Paul’s arguments apply only to gentiles."*
@@JK-qo4zp Yes I said that in my post, that he is clear he thinks that no one believing in Christ and the gospel is under Moses law any longer. However I think a case can be made that he doesn't force that idea and lifestyle change on Jews, he only forcefully demands that Gentiles, and particularly one's he's founded, are to understand this and be under no obligation to Jewish law.
In Galatians he's speaking to non-Jewish Christians he himself founded. He's not speaking to Jewish Christians, that would have made his statement nonsensical. Nor is that a blanket ban on already Jewish people, it is simply a warning to Jewish-Gentiles to not attempt to become Jewish for religious purposes.
Also, yes, I'm not ignoring that Paul claimed Peter did, I'm just highlighting the other parts of the letter for consideration alongside that. Peter and Barnabas at first *were* convinced that they could eat with the Gentiles (whatever that even means). Also Paul claims rather surely that Peter himself recognized that he didn't have to live like a Jew and wasn't (whatever that means). It sounds like Paul is claiming that Peter and the Apostles ok'd his Gentile conversion gospel and he's mad that Peter and potentiallu James is vascillating now.
A split from Galatians is an interesting theory. But I wonder what outside evidence there would be to support or disprove this. You gave the Ebionites (from what century though?). However Marcion also claimed to be descended from Paul but look how much he butchered Paul's teaching as found in his letters.
Once again, I should say, Paul thinks and teaches that no one in the gospel and in Christ are obligated to the law of Moses. However I would wager that he doesn't go around purposefully hitting Jews on the head with this and antagonizing them. He goes for Gentiles, and only when Jewish Christians are caught in the crossfire or attempt to create Judaizers in his congregations or Gentile congregations does he intervene.
I think he offers compassion, tolerance and understanding to Jewish-Christians minding their own business or Jewish-Christians who respectfully and peacefully live within his congregation. is Paul in Corinthians who says "To to the Jew I became as a Jew. To those under the law, one under the law". It is Paul in Romans who says that the brothers who only eat vegetables are to be loved and tolerated and are still God's.
In short, the small nuance I had wanted to add was thus, though Paul's gospel included freedom from the Law of Moses and New enslavement to the Law of Christ, he preached this message to the Gentiles and didn't go from Jew to Jew saying this. Only when Gentile congregations were being pulled away from this message did he intervene, and only if his congregation had become part Jewish believers would he tell the Jews the truth but allow them their practice as it is what they grew up with their whole lives.
@@youngknowledgeseeker this is the interesting part. In Antioch were also hellenestic Jews. In most churches were hellenestic Jews. Maybe not many but they existed outside of Jerusalem. But lets say he did only speak to Gentiles, as you yourself said, he basically teached that no one is under the law anymore. He even said that anybody who is circumcised loses Jesus and he critcises the dietary laws, holidays etc. For me personally, Paul is against the law in general. He also didn't care about food laws, eating blood or meat sacrificed to Idols which we find in Acts 15.
As for Peter, Paul just said that Peter ate with Gentiles before the Jews of James came. He did not say that Peter was without the law or rejected the law. But he said that Peter wanted Gentiles to live like Jews and that Barnabas basically sided with the people of James. For me the second "to live like Jews" means to keep the law. Why? Because of the Jews of James, they wanted Gentiles to keep the law.
There are now 2 or 3 options. Either Peter was at the beginning at the side of Paul and afterwards switched to the side of James (who was the head of the Church) with Barnabas. Or Peter had a reason why he wouldnt eat with the Gentiles. In the clementine homilies if I remember correctly, Peter says that he just didn't want to eat meat sacrificed to Idols.
The letter to the Galatians doesn't say what happened after the Antioch Incident. And Acts doesn't even mention the Antioch Incident. Acts says that Barnabas split because of Mark from Paul. In Galatians its because of Peter and the Jews of James. Many scholars dont view Acts as reliable. And there are scholars who say that Paul and the 12 Apostles split. James Tabor is one of them. For me and others this happened in Antioch.
There was early on a split. We have Jewish sects who rejected Paul and only believed in one gospel in Hebrew/Aramaic. And they claim to follow Peter and James too. As for Marcion he came much later. We know from Paul and Acts that during Paul's time already (Jewish) Christians rejected him.
And the problem is that we basically have nothing before the Jewish war in 66/70 besides Paul's letters. This makes it impossible to be sure of anything. And we also have basically nothing from Jewish Christians in the first century. And according to scholars we don't have any writing from one of the 12. Chrysostom says that no apostle survived the Jewish war.
Do the six letters Paul didn’t write, nevertheless give us helpful information about the early struggles and formation of Christianity?
Also, did any money from the sites Paul set up trickle down to the church in Jerusalem? T/s 1:16:00
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Dr Tabor, thank you for the many hours of instructive content that you have made available. I have greatly benefited from it and it has hugely expanded my knowledge and appreciation of the Bible. I wonder if you might recommend a good commentary on the Proverbs. I’m not interested in “nice thoughts” or “homilies”, but in something that gets to the heart of the Hebrew text and enables me to decipher the contents of the book, its ethics and its philosophy/philosophies. While you are at it, you might like also to recommend a commentary on Kohelet in the same vein. If any of your videos deal with these two books, please point me to them.
Does anyone here know of MWM The Gospel revolution? How about Mauro Biglio or Paul Wallis??
the Turin Shroud carbon dating has been scientifically overturned for years now - and the processes used were not done to standard rigor (but that is only a portion of the problems that lead to that dating now being rejected as valid)
Are you responding to a video discussing the Shroud of Turin?
Audio keeps cutting out
I am interested in your academic approach to Christian origins.
@Joe Siegfried
If good works don't matter then why is the story of the Good Smaratian in the Bible? Why is Matt. Ch 25 the separation of the sheep and the goats in the Bible? But as soon as you say this someone gets hysterical and accuses you of saying Jesus's death on the cross wasn't enough and you stll have to earn your salvation.
Amen! And by their fruits you will know them.
Thank God. This book has a Chinese version.
A conversation between 2 false teachers who still exist in darkness. Peter affirmed Paul but warned everyone that his writings were complicated. Now today, all we have are corrupted translations of Paul's already complicated writings. To someone like me who has exited churchianity is able to do some do some reverse engineering and arrive at the conclusion that Paul's writings are god-breathed Scripture perfectly aligned with Torah and the teachings of Yeshua.
Paul is taking a cultural identity religion and applying an increment of perennial philosophy to that religion expanding its umbrella to include spirituality within all cultures to include gentiles. (and trying to explain that Christ had this same purpose)
Paul's letter to the Corinthians (13) explains the relationship between good works and grace, imo. One is nothing without the other. If you have not love ( love being the energy of pure grace, pure Holy Spirit) your good works are nothing but clashing symbols etc...
And if your heart is empathic and loving but doesn't express itself in 'good' choices and acts of love, then it is like hiding your light under a bushel. (a bushel is a unit of weight or measurement, very, very interesting)
So , grace and good works are both required of us. The organized churches made grace v good works a false dichotomy, imo, concerning 'redemption'. It's a chicken or egg dilemma, lol. Any thoughts?
It was Paul who dichotomized it. Becasue if good works of the believers still valid, then there is no need for jesus to die proving you grace of salvation by faith that he died for your sins.
Excellent observation!
@@josephbarnabas1911 good point
The blood of Christ satisfies all legal, moral, material & spiritual 'laws' ~Psalm 49:7-9 (think in terms of 'inheritance')
That's an excuse to continue to loosely apply God's wisdom to one's life.
Paul was talking about the judgement in year 70. and it happened in his lifetime, or almost.
James, the Lords brother, along with the 12 apostles according to Acts and Galatians dedicated themselves to reaching the jewish nation for Christ. In that endeavor history would that they failed. The Jewish people didn't Accept Jesus as their messiah. One might say, without Pauls writings and work. Christianity would have been at best a footnote in Jewish history.
Righteousness is a grace to be accepted. While salvation quickens the heart with new love of family, (as in turning the heart of fathers to children and children to fathers,) salvation does not remove desires offensive to God. Salvation is primarily about the heart. Rightousness is about the soul. By "soul" I mean to say the WILL. There is God's will...and there is a man's will. The will is what moves us to act. When you use the word will in a sentence, you are probably referring to this idea of your will to do a thing. So, to accept the gift of righteousness is to accept God's will--"Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven." And if you are truly righteous by faith, you are probably experiencing a conflict...even a war! When your will is offensive to God and man, there is available a circumcision of the heart. It isn't as painful as it sounds.
Luke literally wrote his gospel while traveling with Paul
Maybe.
Prof. Tabor:
Are (most all) of the pauline writings that we now have in the canonical New Testament, were harmonised and based on witting materials from Marcion Gospel??...
(Dr. Markus Vincent is pointing in this direction somehow)
Or we do have somehow the original manuscript from Paul?
Thank You very much...🙏
That was an eye opener: "The only purpose of the chosen nature of Israel is to redeem the nations " This is not at all what Paul says in Romans: That the Potter has the right to make domestic vessels for noble use and some for common. And further, that this common set of humanity are predestined for destruction. Not earthly destruction...but, eternal destruction. I'm uncertain if this is what Jesus meant by the "narrow and wide gates."
Dang , even walter white interviewed this man
Please someone explain Dr.Tabor said the book of revelation is not a Christian book
Well would it be stayed better,that the book of revelation is for the Jewish people? Please someone explain !!!??? As it's the only book that comes with a blessing to whomever reads it.but then the letters to the churches? And the time of the end with compelled worshipping the beast or no buy no sell them the death decree???!! I'm very confused????!!!!
The Jesus in Revelation is not of the same spirit as Jesus of the gospels.
Ive often wondered if Paul would had wanted his letters to Churches to become "scripture"
Good point because the cannon was put together by men
indeed good point and he never would have imagined this would happen because he believed that the Kingdom of God would be in his lifetime. So there was no need for anything to write down as scripture. Secondly the Thora was enough for him.
The Gospels even were not written yet. Most people forget that there was no gospel!
Good interview...wish you guys didn't talk over each other as much, but I guess you both have alot to say.
The Tortured Paul Department 😵💫
Matthew 5:17 Do not think I have come to abolish the law of the Prophets, I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.......The question is did Paul keep to this statement of Jesus Yes or No?
Yes Paul kept that. You have to remember Jesus was referring to Jews when he said that.
Christians believe in Paul as a apostle of God with no evidence to prove . How does Paul became an apostle ??
Unction led him to acts of faith that seemed impossible.
@@jonathanbarnes3061 Unction by Christ on the road to Damascus?
He wrote 2/3s of the N.T.
He worked for Rome when they were creating the religion of Christianity. When you work for the elite, you get whatever title they choose to bestow on you.
@@shmataboro8634 nope. Come on now. You either don't have a clue or your trolling
Paul is the Benjamite wolf and the one save by HIS FAITH, in Habakuk 2 prophecy. Reject Paul...Follow Jesus!
Starts at 1:12
Shalom... could it be that Shaul was speaking about the burden of oral torah(man's interpretation)and not THE Torah of Elohym?
Just as there were two trees in Eden, so there are two in the garden of the NT.
And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear ye him. And suddenly, when they had looked round about, they saw no man any more, save Jesus only with themselves.
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He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
@@AnHebrewChild I'm confused... respectfully... what does this have to do with my question?
@@Khananyahu I say this with respect & care for a fellow follower of Jesus / יְהוֹשֻׁעַ, but think about it. And hang your soul on every word that proceedeth from the mouth of GOD.
The Scripture speaks of men as trees.
eg Daniel 4:20-21
Ezekiel 31:4
Matthew 7:16-20
"I see men as trees, walking"
(Mrk8:24)
Jesus is the Tree of Life. But there is another "tree." Another tree in the garden of the NT. Be careful not to eat of that tree's fruit. "Ye shall know them by their fruit." The fruit of that tree is lawlessness. How this ties in to your original comment, should be plain enough.
Be blessed
No... circumcision is part of the written Torah...he was against ALL laws of Moses and of God...
Jesus came to cleanse of the corrupted oral Torah and the sacrifices...pretty much anything associated with the Pharisees...Paul wanted to do away with ALL law and literally called it garbage...
56:55
CAN we ever "understand" Saul Paul any more than we can "understand" Jesus Chrises??
Mr. Tabor... Do you believe Paul was a true or false apostle?
Did Mark act as Paul's mouthpiece? Paul gave the apostles little respect in his writings, and Mark treats them like buffoons. I'm assuming (perhaps incorrectly) that Mark was very familiar with Paul's teachings. He sure does seem to consider himself an Apostle of Paul.
Why should we believe the revelations experienced by just one man? That is just second-hand information.
Well you don’t have to… but if it syncs up with other early Christian writings and other church traditions then people have more than enough to continue a tradition and believe so accordingly.
Paul was truly inspired….but not by God.
Hi, ...really appreciate your deep investigations... is it at all plausible that (for political reasons) Paul May have been part in the stoning of James 🙏
The Passover didn't originally have wine. That was added because of Roman influence.
No way. Bread and wine was a Jewish tradition since genesis
@@tookie36 Passover came after Genesis and it was a hurried meal because they had to leave, hence the unleavened bread. Read about the Passover in Exodus. There was no wine.
Or god so loved the world he he gave his only begotten Son…
All of creation needs saved. God sends his son and it begins to create the new creation. And it’s available for all but we don’t see it
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What about my theory that Jesus was messing with the synagogue because they were irritating him! Even John says the cannibal discussion was so nasty, many followers quit! Jesus ain’t no vending machine! 😂
57:57 "first Peter is the most Pauline letter in the new testament"
That is obviously a forgery to save the face of Paul so that people will not suspect Paul as having no support from the original apostles.
@@josephbarnabas1911 it also has a Romans 13 flavor throughout
Paul's message to Gentiles;
''Leave your false gods and idols and worship this God -Man that I've never seen and don't know anything about.''
What if Jesus really did meet with Paul - the resurrected Jesus in his materialized spirit form?
@@geoattoronto Yeah, what if?
Well, the Church wrote all of the gospels and the Acts, half of Paul's letters is pseudepigraphy, but when it comes to real hallucination or a fake/story kind one, I'm not sure, if I could talk with him today I would be a better judge on if he is agenda driven faker or just a mental case.
@@AbelbenAdam He was not crazy, he was a liar or seeing visions from the devil.
Judaism stopped teaching blood atonement because the temple was destroyed and they couldn't offer sacrifices anymore.
Only one church is 2000 years old Eastern Orthodox
The points Dr. Tabor makes early on about Paul's authority underline how Paul seems rather insecure (especially compared to the disciples/apostles in Jerusalem), so he has to emphasise his message is direct from Jesus, not from those who KNEW Jesus. He asserts that his message is the only correct one; thus protesting too much - a mark of insecurity.
Very interesting videos. At 70 I understand less every year especially experiencing life and watching the corruption and sickos in the world grow stronger including those in the church. Why God cast Satan and a 3rd of eye angels to earth to cause more problems is a mystery to me. People have enough problems.
i think paul is important..because paul..was the first crime reporter whom spoke to witnesses
Grace mixed with works is not grace prriod
"Paul is misapplying Habakkuk, taking it right out of context." @~53 mins
Sorry, but Dr. Tabor is plain wrong about Paul's reading of Habakkuk 2:4. Even the Jewish 1985 JPS translation renders Habakkuk 2:4 as:
"the righteous man is rewarded with life for his fidelity." (Sefaria)
Which is very much in the same vein as Paul's reading that the righteous one's faith is what saves him in Romans 1:16-17 ("it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes"). Of course, if God saves a person for their faith, that person is implicitly counted as righteous, ipso facto. Radak offers a similar idea, commenting on Habakkuk 2:4, he affirms the salvific significance of faith in the verse:
וצדיק. אבל הצדיק אינו כן כי נפשו שפלה ומפחד תמיד מהאל יתברך לפיכך יחיה באמונתו באל יתברך וינצל מהרעה שתבא לרשע
"'And the righteous,' but the righteous one, it is not so for him. Because his soul is humble and in continual fear of God, he shall be blessed. Therefore he shall live in his faith in God, he shall be blessed and saved/delivered from the evil that comes to the wicked."
So even Jewish interpreters understand yichyeh (יִחְיֶה) in that verse not merely as intending that the righteous one shall practice faith in his life but also that he shall "live," i.e., be saved and delivered, because of his faith. A very similar construction appears in Ezekiel 18:21 wherein the penitent is said to 'live' (יִחְיֶה), i.e., be spared and survive, because of their repentance, clearly entailing a causal relationship between repentance and salvation, just as Paul reads the parallel construction in Habakkuk 2:4 as entailing a causal relationship between faith and salvation. Ezekiel 18:21 reads:
"But if the wicked turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all My statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live (יִחְיֶה), he shall not die."
Similar is stated in the next verse, 22:
"for his righteousness that he hath done he shall live (יִחְיֶה)."
So in summary, Habakkuk 2:4 can indeed be read as entailing that someone will be saved because of their faith, not just that they shall live their lives with faith in God.
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