I DONT WANT YOUR DAMN MONSTERS! MAKE ALTERRA TAKE THE MONSTERS BACK. DEMAND TO SEE ALTERRA'S MANAGER! GET MAD! IM GONNA INVENT A COMBUSTABLE MONSTER THAT BURNS YOUR LABORATORY DOWN!
I am going to get my Engineers to invent an entire Leviathan Bone Self_Constructing_Ship! I don't want your damn dinghy! When life gives you a leviathan, don't tame it. *Make life rue the day it gave you what you needed to aim even higher.* -Ocean Johnson im pretty sure
I'mma take a stab at how she survived Kharaa. All Leviathans produce Enzyme 42 in some kind of capacity, it's only the Sea Emperors that produce it in concentrated enough amounts that it can actively seep into the ecosystem of the planet, therefore as she ate the meat of the Reaper she ingested high enough quantities of Enzyme 42 to effectively halt, or even cure, the process. This was probably continued by ending up in Sector Zero as she has killed at least one Celicerate, being that they are the mid size Leviathan of the sector I see no reason why she wouldn't have gone after a Squid Shark or two in her time. This final stroke of fortune keeps her alive long enough for Ryley to have his time and release concentrated Enzyme 42 back into the wider ecosystem meaning, if she wasn't already cured by eating the Reaper, she would be a few years after Ryley left planet.
Or maybe Kharaa just isn't 100% lethal. We know it killed billions of Architects, but we don't actually know if that was out of billions, trillions, or even quadrillions of infections.
Well my Ryley never cured the planet because I played in hardcore and after 30 hours died and never started a new world. So she is probably dead in mine
These fan theories are nice and all but the leviathan thing is not touched on or even hinted at all in the game. I personally think whoever at UW just liked Maida a lot and wanted her to be a complete badass and sure while we never confirm her death in the first game, it had made more sense and thematic impact for her arrogance and renegade personality to be her and her clashing employer's demise.
To explain further: If other creatures produced even a little bit of counteracting enzymes, why would an incredibly advanced race stake everything on the most sapient creature on 4546B when it's shown they can clearly capture, research and experiment on most other creatures there. They have weaponry like pulse rifles and freaking solar system wide nukes yet they couldn't handle alien fish? I get that the precursors on the planet may have been just scientists but why not have soldiers/ guards as well since they when to an unknown and hostile planet for the purpose of saving their species. Through logs and their facilities, it's shown how desperate and cruel they were to the local fauna. Again, the fact that their ONE hope, the lone sea emperor, had the key to their survival but was intelligent and emotional is thematic and ironic writing in which the precursors caused their on downfall due to said desperation and selfish cruelty.
she was past the ghost leviathans reach the ghost leviathans have a limit to how far they can go and she was past that range so she was safe from the leviathans
@@stankobarabata2406Exactly! Now, the Void Chelicerates are predators. Of what, I don't know. Whatever else is in the void, maybe the Ghosts? But I don't think the Ghosts would have that many nutrients. Maybe there's something else out there that's like a prey fish, but likely aggressive.
Imagine she met a Gargantuan Leviathan while floating in the darkness of the void. Proposed extinct until we explore the hundred thousands of kilometers of the void
Honestly if Bart would have lived Marge would 100% have raised him to be a hardened survivor like her. As for how she survived the Kharaa, I believe she had a mutation that made her immune system more resistant, and it let the inactive Enzyme-42 last longer in her system. Additionally, she had a lot of Kharaa-suppressing enzymes in her system from the weeks eating the Reaper, and once she foraged and farmed for food, she unknowingly stumbled across the antidote.
She somehow managed to survive the galaxy's most deadly bacteria and live on the corpse of a dead reaper for months without water completely unscathed. Her story is so amazing it borders on complete bull crap.
Close enough, man. It's still unlikely, to say the least. If I remember right, she was able to start fires in there with its fat, which means she may have been able to boil water.
@@ohnothepossum I just wanted to point out/correct that she did have water with herself. Although, it was unlikely for her to survive with that little water it was theoretically possible
"One man"? Dude is a LEGEND! I mean he only did what a race of super advanced aliens couldn't by curing the initial virus, survived and left the planet after saving an intelligent species.
even if they have edible plant they will eventually ran out of edible fruits, real fruits and vegetables don't yield crop in a matter of weeks. even they plant a lot of edible fruits and vegetables they still have to preserves those ingredients.
On how Marguerit survived the kharaa- I like the theory that's floated around about leviathans all having the cure in their enzymes. If she was eating the reaper that whole time, she was absorbing the enzyme. The architects only talk about one leviathan in their research but who's to say all of them don't have it? Reapers are territorial, architects probably couldn't go near them and didn't deem it worth the loss of life to try and research. The queen was the only one they could subdue enough to place in containment to start experimenting on. Reapers don't have the green pustules that usually appear when something is infected as well.
@@Caffin8tor but he's all the way in sector zero. If the kharaa had started in the crater, maybe creatures in zero got hit harder when the bacteria spread since they weren't biologically built to withstand something that tropical fish were 🤔
But it's only a theory and not exactly how the enzyme would work. As peeper get eaten by predators the enzyme that can cure and destroy the Kharaa get's used up. The theory relies on the Enzyme having a high concentration in Leviathans which is literally just a assumption. The truth is that most leviathans had immune systems that could combat the Kharaa some more successful then others. That is why the Precursors were studying multiple leviathans, as some species could withstand while others like the Biter Leviathan still succumbed. All the Leviathans we see in game are survivors of the Kharaa that have a natural immunity even without Enzyme 41. The difference was however that not all Leviathans had proper antibody's to combat the disease. Most of them can tolerate it but would not have the means to provide a cure. That would be similar to Ebola in Bats. Ebola can unalive a human in a week but Bats that carry this disease are for the most part completely fine. So here is what I think has happened. The Human immune system is probably quite similar to that of Leviathans. Some could withstand it, some could not. While Danby and our Protag Ryley probably would have died from the infection, officer Keith and most importantly Paul Togal were showing no symptoms despite guaranteed exposure. Paul is the main reason why I assume the human immune system can combat the Kharaa because despite being a old man that requires medical intervention to stay alive for the next 100 years, he was completely fine. Marguerite was the only one who was having coughing fits, but she was in much better health than Paul. Normally due to the advanced age the disease should have claimed Paul but there is no evidence of his body's health deteriorating. He sounds just fine in all of his Logs. And he managed to stay alive for a month or two before meeting his demise. If a old man with a somewhat comprised immune system shows no signs of infection from the most deadly bacteria, then it is very likely that the Human immune system can naturally stand up against the disease. It's just a case that some survive, and some don't.
considering she was able to kill a reaper with nothing but scrap i cannot fathom how dangerous she actually is while in that prawn suit. she could probably take out a sea dragon in a minute flat
Its wierd to think that Margaret saw the 2 blasts that shot down the Aurora and the one blast that shot down the Sunbeam. Also, its odd that she never mentions them, the sickness, or her former companions in below zero.
well, there wasn't much reason for her to mention them in below zero. she was only really asked about sam, and wasn't about to just volunteer her whole life story for no reason
marguerit is honestly one of my favourite game characters ever. i love her lore, i love her design, i love her morals and motives. such a clever concept
Not just plot armour: she's a clear case of "writer's favourite" syndrome. She isn't part of the setting, like all the characters who are bound by the laws of physics. She can do anything the writers think would make her sound cooler, logic be damned.
She's a strong, skilled, logical character. She killed a reaper that was already well past it's environmental safe zone, likely getting injured along the way. She then used the reaper like a raft while eating the reaper. Reapers eat things that eat peepers so it's logical that the inhibiting agent from the peepers is in the reaper, holding the disease at bay. It's improbable sure, but not impossible. Not saying she should have been in Below Zero, or it makes sense why she would stay there, but "plot armor" isn't quite right. There is a reasonable explanation for her being alive. For some recent examples, plot armor is when Ahsoka doesn't get exploded by assassin droid's nuclear bombs because they fight her hand to hand first and even have bomb timers that are long enough for her to outrun the blast. Or when Echo isn't killed by a hit squad because they put away the machine guns and explosives to fight her hand to hand. They could set fire to whatever building she's in at all entrances and exits, but nope. Fist fight. People have survived worse situations than the one she found herself in. The only real contrivance is her conveniently being at the location of another Altera facility which happened to be where a living architect is, which happens to be where a leviathan with preserved kahraa is. So, Plot Armor? No. Contrived writing? Yes.
Methinks that her survival is due to eating the reaper's tissues, none of the leviathan's other than juvenile reefbacks 42:12 seem vulnerable to it, so it's possible that the reaper contained something that could at least suppress Kharaa
ngl Sam is the most loser-like character, I mean this is literally what happened to her: -Arrives to 4546b. -Has a job to surveil the territory with spyware. -Finds escaped survivor who is definitely NOT okay in the head. -Tries to find an "obscure" reason on why Alterra is researching the virus (there isn't exactly one). -Starts becoming paranoid. -Crazy survivor lady convinces her she has to do something. -Commits terrorist attack and kills herself along with another innocent person. Outcome: She died and caused tons of damage to Alterra for practically no reason.
Honestly, the void of Subnautica is such an idea to me. I don’t know why, but the emptiness and at the same time absolute terror that fills it, causes me so much discomfort. But when you hear Margerit crossed it riding the carcass of a dead reaper leviathan you make it sound like absolutely nothing.
To be fair, she and the reaper leviathan are such small targets for something like an Adult Ghost Leviathan and is nothing for a Gargantuan Leviathan so they would probably(most definitely) be ignored by them.
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I mean when you really look at it, a specialist technician like Riley was probably one of the very few people capable of surviving given his technical experience, pretty similar to Bart Torgal Whereas someone like Marguerite is just so good at killing that she doesn't really need much else
In the first game, some audio logs from the Degasi mention that Marguerite is a veteran mercenary in space missions, so she likely had plenty of experience dealing with creatures. If you explore well, you can find a fragment of the Degasi hidden in the Safe Shallows, which means that’s probably where the three survivors started. And while Riley may have experience with machinery, you can't deny he was the luckiest of them all to also land there, since the others ended up more than 200 meters deep, surrounded by sharks or leviathans, or worst of all, falling into the void.
To all the people talking about how unrealistic the shit she did was, remember that if youre good enough you can kill any fish in the game with just a knife and a seaglide. If she had plot armor, than riley has a plot fort.
@@el_perro2436 ryley only survived because he got the cure from the emperor leviathan babies. What’s the cannon time that he spent on the planet before finding the cure? Probably way less time than Marguerit who never knew about the emperor leviathan and was also stranded there for longer before the aurora ever showed up. As far as I know Marguerit couldn’t have gotten the cure until the second wave of alterra shows up
I mean thats how she killed it because regardless if youre blind or not your brain is right behind your eyes so if you get stabbed in the eye you can die pretty easily
She probably didn't know that yet but thats not even why she would have stabbed it in the eye. The eye is a soft ball on the face that leads into the head and would likely allow her to stab it lethally
Are you sure they're blind? I don't remember that ever being mentioned anywhere. I know they use echolocation, but that doesn't automatically mean they're blind. Bats don't use their eyes much for hunting or flying but they can still see 🤔
@@johankarlsson1776The eyes are completely black so probably not, it's pretty likely that they're just a vestigial adaptation that was carried through the generations accidentally, otherwise it wouldn't make a lot of sense for them to spend literally every waking moment screaming due to being such a large predator
Imagine if Her and Ryley's stories had swapped. You are floating in a reaper's corpse. She is saving the planet. She gets an escape. You are trapped on the planet, alone.
If I recall, that guy was heavily for gun control, stating that not allowing firearms served a dual purpose: making the game more tense by removing effective means of self defense, and showing that firearms are not always the answer to a problem. Unfortunately for him, they made a character that not only loved hunting monsters, but also loved making explosives. I'm sure Maida would've killed the entire planet, if she had only a pistol and a bullet bench. A mirror to a lot of players out there, especially the ones who used crash fish as living artillery in their PRAWN suit cannons.
This video is amazing! Please make more of all the different characters! Its so great to listen and watch. You explaining between is excellent! Like reading a good book
@@imyellowteeth4691 she had decades of experience in the military and was fighting for her life its not like she got out unscathed but she had a big chunk of debris and knew its anatomy from the ones she had cut open earlier so she knew where to stab to instantly kill it
@@imyellowteeth4691Yeah it not like she was taking the reaper’s bites lol. She gripped upon the reaper’s skull and slowly but surely started stabbing it until it was dead. The reaper couldn’t really do anything but try to swim and hit rocks or sink deep with the hope that she would loose her grip. But she didn’t so since the reaper doesn’t have arms it couldn’t really do anything.
An old woman crash lands on an ailen ocean planet, argues with her crew constantly asking to venture farther and do more, she also contracts a deadly bacterium which killed hundreds of billions of precursors and sea creatures, injures a giant ocean monster, longer than the Statue of Liberty is tall and twice the length of earths biggest creature, then it’s mate comes and attacks margueriet, she clings to it and kills it with a piece of scrap metal, floats to the surface of the void, lives off of the floating reaper corpse for 3 weeks, living in its rib cage, eating its flesh, and living off of 3 liters of drinking water. She eventually arrives in a sub zero climate where she explores that in its entirely, builds a base there and then tames a damn snow stalker, and she lives there for like 12 years (I think) with the infection that should have killed her in just 10 days. Then other people come by to investigate what happened to the crew of the crashed ship, they spy on marguerite so she convinces one of them to blow up facilities and she blows up a facility herself, scaring off the inhabitants to where she lives happily ever after now.
@@dranixrush3306for second game, yes. A new writer was hired as the old one quit, new one needed to continue from where the first writer left off. Im assuming thats why she is alive and the story of the second sucks so much and has such plot holes:/
I love how a Kharaa cure was created by some human it such a short amount of time. Not like it defangs the threat of the bacteria that the previous game established.
Yeah it's one thing for someone like Marguerite to naturally develop antibodies through ingesting inert bacteria, but Sam just straight up cured super-cancer with no fancy leviathan or magic-like technology, just an underpaid roboticist was able to completely dunk on a galaxy-wide precursor species
she survived cuz of the cold, i assume she was late stage but the freezing temp slowed the infection to a snails pace or killed it outright, which would explain the extreme biodiversity of sector zero even tho its real far from the sea emperor
Unless she froze herself (which would kill her) the temperature difference doesn't make any difference. Her body temperature wouldn't change much, so an internal infection wouldn't be affected by lower outdoors temperatures 🤔 and considering the frozen leviathan has a still living infection, I don't think the temperature does anything 🤷♀️
@@johankarlsson1776 the later stages are on the skin, and bacterial infections are known to slow growth in colder temperatures, so I doubt it cured her but could have staved of the infection long enough for the cure to reach sector zero
@@evanoggs5863 realistically, knowing how human bodies work, no. And the cough meant internal infection, her body temp would of had to stay the same or she was kilering herself by freezing, even if lowering by a single degree inside. its just not logical unless she was immune which we know isnt the case.
Unpopular opinion; Marguerit's ideals were the reason the Torgals died. They could still have survived if they'd built a new shelter in the shallows, rather than moving down into the Jellyshroom Caves. They'd already had indoor growbeds, and genetic material from the healthy sustainable wildlife beforehand, so they could have held out almost indefinitely. If only Marguerit would've listened to Paul Torgal, and stayed near the surface, Alterra would've likely found them, fulfilled their auxiliary mission once the protagonist of the first game escaped, returned them to the Mongolians, and the story of the Degassi would've been wrapped up with the events of the first game. I, personally, think this would've been a better outcome of the story, but, I understand that the developers were working within the bounds of their engine and programming.
she survived the vires because she just built different, straight up trained by amir type shit. she literally killed two reapers and floated on one's corpse for weeks. she is a unstoppable force
Ngl marguerite's plan for the frozen leviathan was kinda stupid like Sam should have just used the antidote and then blown up the cave to burry it just incase it didn't work
im slowly comming to the realization that my awful sense of direction might cause me to be unable to beat the game, got lucky and found the second entrance to the lost river or i would have been stuck down there, got all the way to the teleporter down in the lava zone and it just put me in a facility that i already explored/scanned and iu have no idea where to go next or if i missed something down there. got both the entrance to the lost river and valcano marked with a beacon.
Marguerit Maida is what you get if Cave Johnson and Saxton Hale had a baby. Absolutely fucking insane with the "Life isn't about why, it's about why not" mentality of Cave and the "I am not stuck in here with you, you are stuck in here with ME" level of titanium ovaries that a female Hale would have.
Wait, so if she swim out past the ghost leviathan territory, that means to get in to the Ice Place, she swim through the void Chelicerates meaning she likely fought off multiple chilicerates
no matter how cool she is, she cost lives and is the reason why below zero even has a plot, making her the closest thing to an antagonist. A cure stab into the beast would of been enough, closing it off may of just released the disease through the explosion and was just doen because she wanted to hurt people/the corporation. Sam also is a terrible character, meant to spy on the unknown, joins the unknown and plans to harm her co-workers (idc what you say, planting a bomb at your work is not measning no harm). She got what she deserved. Sorry Riley, she died incompetent as altera says. Stuff like this is why people dont like the second as much (as well as the gameplay choices). you can tell the game went through multiple re-writes, the alpha build was way better.
I think it’s crazy she did the scouting for the degassi bases and picked the WORST locations in the game. I’m assuming that means wherever their ship crashed was off map from where the game takes place but the grassy plateau was right there and the safe shallows were only about a hundred meters or so away
What’s funny is that Sam in below zero actually did just die of negligence like alterra had said and the whole game was basically pointless (and boring)
Yea the initial concepts of Robin and Sam talking was a way better game than what we got. Remember how it started that Sam was alive and well in the station in space while Robin was on the ground? Damn do I miss that version.
I can't remember where but it's implied somewhere that they sort of patrol the crater edge to eat anything that wanders out because they can't sustain many of them living within the crater, so in actual lore it's likely that the edge of the crater is a bunch of ghost leviathans eating each other and anything else, but it's likely that because of the bacteria most of the ocean is just dead
Subnautica: Sub Zero has such a contrived story. Nothing makes any sense at all. The original has many, many illogical parts but it was within a threshold where I could still enjoy it. 😟🤷🤦 Nevertheless, really well-made documentary, thank you! 🙂👍
imagine a timeline where Marguerit and Ryley met each other on 4546b (maybe in some alternate timeline where Ryley wasn't able to build a neptune escape rocket and had to leave the crater for whatever reason)
Just want to point out. The fact that 3 people with no professional experience and using salvaged materials were able to construct an airtight, self-supporting habitat 250 meters underwater WITHOUT A SEAMOTH is completely insane.
Bart Torgal was right in saying she now was part of the planet's ecosystem... She's the fiercest apex predator of 4546B's ecosystem.
Ngl I want to see a 1v1 between her and subnauticas main character that I always forget the name of.
@@justsomething0 Riley Robinson, if memory serves me right ^^.
@@renadu30 Ah yea that guy.
ryley wouldn’t stand a chance at her in lore lmao
@@Zapdos0145 but you see the main character could do all of the things that Marguerite could do and more like curing the kharaa bacterium
YOU BUILD A BOAT OUT OF THOSE MONSTERS, AND HUNT BIGGER ONES TILL THERES NOTHING LEFT TO HUNT YOU, goddamn girl thats a line
reminds me of some explosive lemons
@@dinhero21 Nice portal 2 reference
"MARGUERITE MAIDA BUILT A BOAT, IN A REAPER CORPSE, OUT OF A BOX OF BONE SCRAPS"
I DONT WANT YOUR DAMN MONSTERS! MAKE ALTERRA TAKE THE MONSTERS BACK. DEMAND TO SEE ALTERRA'S MANAGER! GET MAD! IM GONNA INVENT A COMBUSTABLE MONSTER THAT BURNS YOUR LABORATORY DOWN!
I am going to get my Engineers to invent an entire Leviathan Bone Self_Constructing_Ship! I don't want your damn dinghy! When life gives you a leviathan, don't tame it. *Make life rue the day it gave you what you needed to aim even higher.*
-Ocean Johnson im pretty sure
I'mma take a stab at how she survived Kharaa.
All Leviathans produce Enzyme 42 in some kind of capacity, it's only the Sea Emperors that produce it in concentrated enough amounts that it can actively seep into the ecosystem of the planet, therefore as she ate the meat of the Reaper she ingested high enough quantities of Enzyme 42 to effectively halt, or even cure, the process.
This was probably continued by ending up in Sector Zero as she has killed at least one Celicerate, being that they are the mid size Leviathan of the sector I see no reason why she wouldn't have gone after a Squid Shark or two in her time.
This final stroke of fortune keeps her alive long enough for Ryley to have his time and release concentrated Enzyme 42 back into the wider ecosystem meaning, if she wasn't already cured by eating the Reaper, she would be a few years after Ryley left planet.
Or maybe Kharaa just isn't 100% lethal. We know it killed billions of Architects, but we don't actually know if that was out of billions, trillions, or even quadrillions of infections.
Well my Ryley never cured the planet because I played in hardcore and after 30 hours died and never started a new world. So she is probably dead in mine
These fan theories are nice and all but the leviathan thing is not touched on or even hinted at all in the game. I personally think whoever at UW just liked Maida a lot and wanted her to be a complete badass and sure while we never confirm her death in the first game, it had made more sense and thematic impact for her arrogance and renegade personality to be her and her clashing employer's demise.
To explain further: If other creatures produced even a little bit of counteracting enzymes, why would an incredibly advanced race stake everything on the most sapient creature on 4546B when it's shown they can clearly capture, research and experiment on most other creatures there. They have weaponry like pulse rifles and freaking solar system wide nukes yet they couldn't handle alien fish? I get that the precursors on the planet may have been just scientists but why not have soldiers/ guards as well since they when to an unknown and hostile planet for the purpose of saving their species. Through logs and their facilities, it's shown how desperate and cruel they were to the local fauna. Again, the fact that their ONE hope, the lone sea emperor, had the key to their survival but was intelligent and emotional is thematic and ironic writing in which the precursors caused their on downfall due to said desperation and selfish cruelty.
@@Rokkettdog Oh, definitely that was the Doylist explanation. But we're speculating about a Watsonian reason why she lived.
Marguerit isn't trying to survive on the planet, the planet is trying to survive Marguerit
Leviathans swim too close to her and hear "Detecting Marguerite. Are you sure whatever you're doing is worth it?"
@@handgun559that would make an awesome play as a leviathan mod addition.
or even the smaller creatures too imo
Thats right
So true
Marguerit is the main character of a completely different game.
I would love a game with a somewhat angry older woman who takes no crap
Yes, some weird angry lesbian game.
@@gregoryl.levitre9759 I’d play it.
This would make a really good spinoff game
Subnautica 3
I remember jumping out of my chair when she jumped down in the prawn suit
Those jumpscares are legitimately scary...
You went up she went down
Same
i bet everyone was scared 😅
I was like "WHY CANT I MOVE?!!?" And boom, marguerit is in my face waving a reaper mandible or whatever.
She had to float on a reaper, through the VOID, for WEEKS,.while the Ghost leviathans are nearby. What a legend
she was past the ghost leviathans reach the ghost leviathans have a limit to how far they can go and she was past that range so she was safe from the leviathans
Ghosts probably don't eat carcasses
@@NiCoNiCoNiCola Ghosts are plankton eaters. They're not predators like Reapers. They're just extremely territorial and that's why they're aggressive.
@@stankobarabata2406Exactly! Now, the Void Chelicerates are predators. Of what, I don't know. Whatever else is in the void, maybe the Ghosts? But I don't think the Ghosts would have that many nutrients. Maybe there's something else out there that's like a prey fish, but likely aggressive.
Imagine she met a Gargantuan Leviathan while floating in the darkness of the void. Proposed extinct until we explore the hundred thousands of kilometers of the void
Honestly if Bart would have lived Marge would 100% have raised him to be a hardened survivor like her. As for how she survived the Kharaa, I believe she had a mutation that made her immune system more resistant, and it let the inactive Enzyme-42 last longer in her system. Additionally, she had a lot of Kharaa-suppressing enzymes in her system from the weeks eating the Reaper, and once she foraged and farmed for food, she unknowingly stumbled across the antidote.
She somehow managed to survive the galaxy's most deadly bacteria and live on the corpse of a dead reaper for months without water completely unscathed. Her story is so amazing it borders on complete bull crap.
She didn't survive on the corpse of a reaper for months but 3 weeks. That isn't even A month.
Close enough, man. It's still unlikely, to say the least. If I remember right, she was able to start fires in there with its fat, which means she may have been able to boil water.
if you're talking about her audio at 21:56, she said she had 3 L of water
@@st-ray three liters, thats not even enough for a single week, you're supposed to drink two liters a day lol
@@ohnothepossum I just wanted to point out/correct that she did have water with herself. Although, it was unlikely for her to survive with that little water it was theoretically possible
"One man"? Dude is a LEGEND! I mean he only did what a race of super advanced aliens couldn't by curing the initial virus, survived and left the planet after saving an intelligent species.
He's Marguerite if she didn't get dragged out into the void and had more resources
Riley and Margaret are the most resilient people in the galaxy 😅
@@silaswillis909imagine if they worked together
She is battle hardened to kill a reaper with just piece of scrap and a was able to survive few weeks floating on a reaper’s corpse
She's really built different
The Karaa bacteria had one look at her and was like nevermind
@juliaboskamp9666 I guess that's one hypothesis of how she survived the infection
Local Woman Too Angry To Die. Kills Leviathan, Scares Killer Bacteria Into Submission.
Full Story on page 12
Worse, she killed 2 Reapers
“Food was running dangerously low” well maybe y’all should have planted edible foods, not flowers.
Agreed. Drove me crazy.
I don't think they ever mentioned a scanner, so, I think they just threw stuff in the soil hoping something good will grow
even if they have edible plant they will eventually ran out of edible fruits, real fruits and vegetables don't yield crop in a matter of weeks. even they plant a lot of edible fruits and vegetables they still have to preserves those ingredients.
On how Marguerit survived the kharaa- I like the theory that's floated around about leviathans all having the cure in their enzymes. If she was eating the reaper that whole time, she was absorbing the enzyme. The architects only talk about one leviathan in their research but who's to say all of them don't have it? Reapers are territorial, architects probably couldn't go near them and didn't deem it worth the loss of life to try and research. The queen was the only one they could subdue enough to place in containment to start experimenting on. Reapers don't have the green pustules that usually appear when something is infected as well.
Sea Dragon leviathan says otherwise
@@Caffin8tor but he's all the way in sector zero. If the kharaa had started in the crater, maybe creatures in zero got hit harder when the bacteria spread since they weren't biologically built to withstand something that tropical fish were 🤔
@@LorLor246 wait, what?
Isn't the sea dragon in the first game?
what the heck are you talking about?
did you mean the frozen leviathan?
But it's only a theory and not exactly how the enzyme would work. As peeper get eaten by predators the enzyme that can cure and destroy the Kharaa get's used up. The theory relies on the Enzyme having a high concentration in Leviathans which is literally just a assumption. The truth is that most leviathans had immune systems that could combat the Kharaa some more successful then others. That is why the Precursors were studying multiple leviathans, as some species could withstand while others like the Biter Leviathan still succumbed. All the Leviathans we see in game are survivors of the Kharaa that have a natural immunity even without Enzyme 41.
The difference was however that not all Leviathans had proper antibody's to combat the disease. Most of them can tolerate it but would not have the means to provide a cure. That would be similar to Ebola in Bats. Ebola can unalive a human in a week but Bats that carry this disease are for the most part completely fine.
So here is what I think has happened. The Human immune system is probably quite similar to that of Leviathans. Some could withstand it, some could not. While Danby and our Protag Ryley probably would have died from the infection, officer Keith and most importantly Paul Togal were showing no symptoms despite guaranteed exposure. Paul is the main reason why I assume the human immune system can combat the Kharaa because despite being a old man that requires medical intervention to stay alive for the next 100 years, he was completely fine. Marguerite was the only one who was having coughing fits, but she was in much better health than Paul. Normally due to the advanced age the disease should have claimed Paul but there is no evidence of his body's health deteriorating. He sounds just fine in all of his Logs. And he managed to stay alive for a month or two before meeting his demise.
If a old man with a somewhat comprised immune system shows no signs of infection from the most deadly bacteria, then it is very likely that the Human immune system can naturally stand up against the disease. It's just a case that some survive, and some don't.
@@LorLor246are you going crazy? Sea Dragons live in the Crater, not Sector Zero.
You’re probably getting confused with the Frozen Leviathan
i haven't watched any Subnautica videos nor played Subnautica from a long time i loved this game alot
Glad you stopped by!
"be mindful. your authority stopped at sea level" DAMN
Maida was easily one of my favourite characters in Below Zero, and thanks to your video I actually finally understand her backstory, Thank You!!!
You're welcome! :D
what u mean bruh? shes like the only one lol
@@memeteam8274 they were talking about the lore too yknow? this whole video is literally about lore
considering she was able to kill a reaper with nothing but scrap i cannot fathom how dangerous she actually is while in that prawn suit. she could probably take out a sea dragon in a minute flat
have you ever tried to fight one, if so you know they DESTROY everything easily
In the early story of Below Zero she attacked a whole ass plane/vtol thing with that suit
If you consider how sharp scrap is sometimes it was probably a little bit easier
@@teme7354 yes that's the point he is saying that Margaret is really strong
This lady is the definition of the german quote ,,Glück im Unglück" or in english ,,Luck in misery". She has my respect
Or “Geluk bij een ongeluk”
"Your authority stopped at sea level" is such a sick line.
"If a seamonster hunts you, you don't hide. You hunt the seamonster."
-Magarith May
how did you manage to
spell the name so wrong?
Im german. Do you know how hard that is to spell to me?
@@thebuilderKMK
oh sorry, I was kinda rude...
But I was actually born in america so that would explain why i can't speak propper english ore german.
@@thebuilderKMK Bro I'm also a german watching this videos, really nice XD
Its wierd to think that Margaret saw the 2 blasts that shot down the Aurora and the one blast that shot down the Sunbeam. Also, its odd that she never mentions them, the sickness, or her former companions in below zero.
Safe to say, she doesn’t care or stopped caring
@@dreamiinotdream730 Margaret grabbed popcorn as she watched sunbeam get turned to space dust
well, there wasn't much reason for her to mention them in below zero. she was only really asked about sam, and wasn't about to just volunteer her whole life story for no reason
A 40 minute video! Nice job BT, I now know a lot more about Marguerit than I ever expected to know.
marguerit is honestly one of my favourite game characters ever. i love her lore, i love her design, i love her morals and motives. such a clever concept
You must like rey from starwars too
YOU GET IT BRO shes so cool i havent been able to stop thinking abt her ever since i started playing the games lmao
"Your authority stopped at sea level"
Damn
HELP YOU HAD THE EXACT SAME COMMENT AS ME
Marguerit maida is the definition of plot armor prove me wrong
Not just plot armour: she's a clear case of "writer's favourite" syndrome. She isn't part of the setting, like all the characters who are bound by the laws of physics. She can do anything the writers think would make her sound cooler, logic be damned.
@@DZ-X3 i just call her a living plot hole
She's a strong, skilled, logical character. She killed a reaper that was already well past it's environmental safe zone, likely getting injured along the way. She then used the reaper like a raft while eating the reaper. Reapers eat things that eat peepers so it's logical that the inhibiting agent from the peepers is in the reaper, holding the disease at bay.
It's improbable sure, but not impossible. Not saying she should have been in Below Zero, or it makes sense why she would stay there, but "plot armor" isn't quite right. There is a reasonable explanation for her being alive. For some recent examples, plot armor is when Ahsoka doesn't get exploded by assassin droid's nuclear bombs because they fight her hand to hand first and even have bomb timers that are long enough for her to outrun the blast. Or when Echo isn't killed by a hit squad because they put away the machine guns and explosives to fight her hand to hand. They could set fire to whatever building she's in at all entrances and exits, but nope. Fist fight.
People have survived worse situations than the one she found herself in. The only real contrivance is her conveniently being at the location of another Altera facility which happened to be where a living architect is, which happens to be where a leviathan with preserved kahraa is.
So, Plot Armor? No. Contrived writing? Yes.
@@Nickle_King so basically she's a badass
@@Nickle_KingHow did she survive the virus when the other 2 died?
Methinks that her survival is due to eating the reaper's tissues, none of the leviathan's other than juvenile reefbacks 42:12 seem vulnerable to it, so it's possible that the reaper contained something that could at least suppress Kharaa
ngl Sam is the most loser-like character, I mean this is literally what happened to her:
-Arrives to 4546b.
-Has a job to surveil the territory with spyware.
-Finds escaped survivor who is definitely NOT okay in the head.
-Tries to find an "obscure" reason on why Alterra is researching the virus (there isn't exactly one).
-Starts becoming paranoid.
-Crazy survivor lady convinces her she has to do something.
-Commits terrorist attack and kills herself along with another innocent person.
Outcome: She died and caused tons of damage to Alterra for practically no reason.
are you insane?
Yeah it is really weird although I wouldn’t say margerit is crazy tho but from all the stuff Sam told her that seemed kinda logical
The whole point of the game is to prove that Sam didn’t die due to negligence, yet at the end you realize she DID in fact die due to negligence.
Don't you dare attack a made-up megacorporation!
Are you an Alterra simp or something?
Honestly, the void of Subnautica is such an idea to me. I don’t know why, but the emptiness and at the same time absolute terror that fills it, causes me so much discomfort.
But when you hear Margerit crossed it riding the carcass of a dead reaper leviathan you make it sound like absolutely nothing.
To be fair, she and the reaper leviathan are such small targets for something like an Adult Ghost Leviathan and is nothing for a Gargantuan Leviathan so they would probably(most definitely) be ignored by them.
Ok, 22k subscribers? Now that's VERY underrated for how amazing your videos are. Seriously, your videos feel like they are a documentary. You are amazing. Never stop making content.
Subnautica got some quality youtubers making content but they're all so underrated
I like how professional people can’t survive but we survive 😂
I mean when you really look at it, a specialist technician like Riley was probably one of the very few people capable of surviving given his technical experience, pretty similar to Bart Torgal
Whereas someone like Marguerite is just so good at killing that she doesn't really need much else
In the first game, some audio logs from the Degasi mention that Marguerite is a veteran mercenary in space missions, so she likely had plenty of experience dealing with creatures. If you explore well, you can find a fragment of the Degasi hidden in the Safe Shallows, which means that’s probably where the three survivors started. And while Riley may have experience with machinery, you can't deny he was the luckiest of them all to also land there, since the others ended up more than 200 meters deep, surrounded by sharks or leviathans, or worst of all, falling into the void.
To all the people talking about how unrealistic the shit she did was, remember that if youre good enough you can kill any fish in the game with just a knife and a seaglide. If she had plot armor, than riley has a plot fort.
I’m more so concerned on how she survived the infection and also just in general how any of the stuff works in below zero without being a total retcon
Riley has a exo suit and stasis gun
Yea that's true 👍
@@RoozleDoozle-9210Riley also survived kharaa, and Marguerit might have a better immune system. From the whole, mercenary thing.
@@el_perro2436 ryley only survived because he got the cure from the emperor leviathan babies. What’s the cannon time that he spent on the planet before finding the cure? Probably way less time than Marguerit who never knew about the emperor leviathan and was also stranded there for longer before the aurora ever showed up. As far as I know Marguerit couldn’t have gotten the cure until the second wave of alterra shows up
It's funny because reapers are actually blind so Maida didn't do much when stabbing it in the eye.
I mean thats how she killed it because regardless if youre blind or not your brain is right behind your eyes so if you get stabbed in the eye you can die pretty easily
She probably didn't know that yet but thats not even why she would have stabbed it in the eye.
The eye is a soft ball on the face that leads into the head and would likely allow her to stab it lethally
@@XXRandoMizedXX fair enough
Are you sure they're blind? I don't remember that ever being mentioned anywhere. I know they use echolocation, but that doesn't automatically mean they're blind. Bats don't use their eyes much for hunting or flying but they can still see 🤔
@@johankarlsson1776The eyes are completely black so probably not, it's pretty likely that they're just a vestigial adaptation that was carried through the generations accidentally, otherwise it wouldn't make a lot of sense for them to spend literally every waking moment screaming due to being such a large predator
She’s inspired me to hunt reapers
Imagine if Her and Ryley's stories had swapped.
You are floating in a reaper's corpse.
She is saving the planet.
She gets an escape.
You are trapped on the planet, alone.
I would play that. If that means i get to ride a massive anti-leviathan prawn mech
Maida is the answer to that dev that was so obsessed with de-weaponizing, they made it part of Subnautica lore lol
If I recall, that guy was heavily for gun control, stating that not allowing firearms served a dual purpose: making the game more tense by removing effective means of self defense, and showing that firearms are not always the answer to a problem.
Unfortunately for him, they made a character that not only loved hunting monsters, but also loved making explosives. I'm sure Maida would've killed the entire planet, if she had only a pistol and a bullet bench. A mirror to a lot of players out there, especially the ones who used crash fish as living artillery in their PRAWN suit cannons.
This video is amazing! Please make more of all the different characters! Its so great to listen and watch. You explaining between is excellent! Like reading a good book
Am I the only one who actually liked margret 😭she is a testament the the indomitable human spirit and will to survive
fr, she looked death in the face a dozen times and kept on livin!
its called plot armour no one kills a massive sea monster in melee combat
@@imyellowteeth4691 she had decades of experience in the military and was fighting for her life its not like she got out unscathed but she had a big chunk of debris and knew its anatomy from the ones she had cut open earlier so she knew where to stab to instantly kill it
@@imyellowteeth4691Yeah it not like she was taking the reaper’s bites lol. She gripped upon the reaper’s skull and slowly but surely started stabbing it until it was dead. The reaper couldn’t really do anything but try to swim and hit rocks or sink deep with the hope that she would loose her grip. But she didn’t so since the reaper doesn’t have arms it couldn’t really do anything.
@@imyellowteeth4691I don't think you've played subnautica long enough if you think that
An old woman crash lands on an ailen ocean planet, argues with her crew constantly asking to venture farther and do more, she also contracts a deadly bacterium which killed hundreds of billions of precursors and sea creatures, injures a giant ocean monster, longer than the Statue of Liberty is tall and twice the length of earths biggest creature, then it’s mate comes and attacks margueriet, she clings to it and kills it with a piece of scrap metal, floats to the surface of the void, lives off of the floating reaper corpse for 3 weeks, living in its rib cage, eating its flesh, and living off of 3 liters of drinking water. She eventually arrives in a sub zero climate where she explores that in its entirely, builds a base there and then tames a damn snow stalker, and she lives there for like 12 years (I think) with the infection that should have killed her in just 10 days. Then other people come by to investigate what happened to the crew of the crashed ship, they spy on marguerite so she convinces one of them to blow up facilities and she blows up a facility herself, scaring off the inhabitants to where she lives happily ever after now.
This really puts into perspective how small the statue of Liberty is
Bad writing...
@@dranixrush3306for second game, yes. A new writer was hired as the old one quit, new one needed to continue from where the first writer left off. Im assuming thats why she is alive and the story of the second sucks so much and has such plot holes:/
amazing video goes into so much depth keep it up breathtaker!
Thanks! I will certainly try...
I love how a Kharaa cure was created by some human it such a short amount of time. Not like it defangs the threat of the bacteria that the previous game established.
Yeah it's one thing for someone like Marguerite to naturally develop antibodies through ingesting inert bacteria, but Sam just straight up cured super-cancer with no fancy leviathan or magic-like technology, just an underpaid roboticist was able to completely dunk on a galaxy-wide precursor species
THIS WOMAN IS BUILT DIFFERENT. she is the reason ghost leviathans live in the void
9:54 This cave is not a natural formation. Someone built it... which means it must lead somewhere.
Yooo, i just watch your channel recently and realized last uploadast upload was 4 month ago
And now you uploading new video, what a luck
Perfect Timing :D
@@Breathtaker5000 yeah 🔥
she survived cuz of the cold, i assume she was late stage but the freezing temp slowed the infection to a snails pace or killed it outright, which would explain the extreme biodiversity of sector zero even tho its real far from the sea emperor
Unless she froze herself (which would kill her) the temperature difference doesn't make any difference. Her body temperature wouldn't change much, so an internal infection wouldn't be affected by lower outdoors temperatures 🤔 and considering the frozen leviathan has a still living infection, I don't think the temperature does anything 🤷♀️
@@johankarlsson1776 the later stages are on the skin, and bacterial infections are known to slow growth in colder temperatures, so I doubt it cured her but could have staved of the infection long enough for the cure to reach sector zero
@@evanoggs5863 realistically, knowing how human bodies work, no. And the cough meant internal infection, her body temp would of had to stay the same or she was kilering herself by freezing, even if lowering by a single degree inside. its just not logical unless she was immune which we know isnt the case.
how the heck did she swim up 500 meters to the surface in less than 4 minutes
Probably plot armor, but if not than she’s really built different…
She is Margaret. That is my answer
The ocean didn't want her aggression, knowing the direction she wants to go it helped her to avoid it's own destruction
Marguerit fighting a reaper
Also kharaa:ohh hell naaahhh
Man this was an incredible video !! Thanks so much for the deep dive man 😁❤️
Very good, composed and presented, thank you very much
It's kinda funny how she has Southern states accent while being from Mongolian states, unless that entity somehow captured Texas and so on...
Unpopular opinion; Marguerit's ideals were the reason the Torgals died. They could still have survived if they'd built a new shelter in the shallows, rather than moving down into the Jellyshroom Caves. They'd already had indoor growbeds, and genetic material from the healthy sustainable wildlife beforehand, so they could have held out almost indefinitely. If only Marguerit would've listened to Paul Torgal, and stayed near the surface, Alterra would've likely found them, fulfilled their auxiliary mission once the protagonist of the first game escaped, returned them to the Mongolians, and the story of the Degassi would've been wrapped up with the events of the first game.
I, personally, think this would've been a better outcome of the story, but, I understand that the developers were working within the bounds of their engine and programming.
“Your authority stoped at sea level.” Cold I like it
she survived the vires because she just built different, straight up trained by amir type shit. she literally killed two reapers and floated on one's corpse for weeks. she is a unstoppable force
virus*
Why did you take a break that laseted 4 months!?
You're videos are wonderful!
A mix of exams and laziness on my part . . . looking to get back on a proper schedule now :)
This video deserves more attention
Sam is the bad guy of the Subnautica franchise.
We need a fan game or a spinoff game where we are Marguerite maida just before she starts living at the ice world
Ngl marguerite's plan for the frozen leviathan was kinda stupid like Sam should have just used the antidote and then blown up the cave to burry it just incase it didn't work
Marguerit jumpscared the living crap out of me when she jumped down with that wicked looking prawn suit
I really want a subnautica and subnautica BZ DLC where we play as marg in both the first and second game
Do the Seamoths always say subscribe in his videos? That’s hilarious!
I feel like Marguerite is gonna be recurring character in this Subnautica series
“Your authority stopped at Sea Level” is maybe the hardest line in Gaming History
Absolutely crazy good video!
Thank You! :)
37:08 a glow whale popped out of the ground 😂😂😂
Lol
im slowly comming to the realization that my awful sense of direction might cause me to be unable to beat the game, got lucky and found the second entrance to the lost river or i would have been stuck down there, got all the way to the teleporter down in the lava zone and it just put me in a facility that i already explored/scanned and iu have no idea where to go next or if i missed something down there. got both the entrance to the lost river and valcano marked with a beacon.
Marguerit Maida is what you get if Cave Johnson and Saxton Hale had a baby.
Absolutely fucking insane with the "Life isn't about why, it's about why not" mentality of Cave and the "I am not stuck in here with you, you are stuck in here with ME" level of titanium ovaries that a female Hale would have.
With marguerit by their side, im surprised they didn't cure the planet before the aurora got there
Wait, so if she swim out past the ghost leviathan territory, that means to get in to the Ice Place, she swim through the void Chelicerates meaning she likely fought off multiple chilicerates
Like a lot of things in BZ's writing, I think they just forgot about that
@@StolenTheifnew writer sadly, thats why it has so many plot holes and bad story for the second
no matter how cool she is, she cost lives and is the reason why below zero even has a plot, making her the closest thing to an antagonist. A cure stab into the beast would of been enough, closing it off may of just released the disease through the explosion and was just doen because she wanted to hurt people/the corporation. Sam also is a terrible character, meant to spy on the unknown, joins the unknown and plans to harm her co-workers (idc what you say, planting a bomb at your work is not measning no harm). She got what she deserved. Sorry Riley, she died incompetent as altera says. Stuff like this is why people dont like the second as much (as well as the gameplay choices). you can tell the game went through multiple re-writes, the alpha build was way better.
32:04 That symbol on the Table... thats from God of War xD
It would be fitting for Marguerit! I hope Kratos approves...
That's a common greek letter
Bro has no brain sigma
That's... Omega. It's a greek letter.
damn man u do good work
Thank You! I try my best :)
Can you imagine just how valuable a brand new habital planet would be?
Marguerit has to be hands down my favorite character in the subnautica universe.
I just want to know how she survived the bacteria without the cure.
It’s funny she said she took out one eye and almost carved out the other as if it only had 2
How exactly did she not die from the bacteria? the 3 weeks in the reaper would probably kill her
She built different she survived the void and the others couldn't even survive when they landed in the map
I think it’s crazy she did the scouting for the degassi bases and picked the WORST locations in the game. I’m assuming that means wherever their ship crashed was off map from where the game takes place but the grassy plateau was right there and the safe shallows were only about a hundred meters or so away
13:12 the seamoth with the subscribe is funny
What’s funny is that Sam in below zero actually did just die of negligence like alterra had said and the whole game was basically pointless (and boring)
Yea the initial concepts of Robin and Sam talking was a way better game than what we got. Remember how it started that Sam was alive and well in the station in space while Robin was on the ground? Damn do I miss that version.
The Story of Marguerite Maid...
A movie with all the VA's and lore❤
Honestly i kind of hope we get a spinoff game following Marguerit's character- I know it wont happen, but i can hope
0:59 that's where my life pod spawned when I started the game
That's were everyones lifepod spawns.
20:53 i thought the ghost leviathans inhabited the entire void? Where do we get the info that rhey only inhabit that circle?
If you go far enough they dont spawn
I can't remember where but it's implied somewhere that they sort of patrol the crater edge to eat anything that wanders out because they can't sustain many of them living within the crater, so in actual lore it's likely that the edge of the crater is a bunch of ghost leviathans eating each other and anything else, but it's likely that because of the bacteria most of the ocean is just dead
Quick correction: Bart was the one who chose to detour, not paul.
I guess you could say Marguerit made a splash
“Ba Dum Tss”
@@Breathtaker5000that’s wild
i didnt even piece together that thats how marguerit got on the island, I always wondered how those structures originated in subnautica
40:56 preston is my spirit animal
real
We need a subnautica movie about her now
Subnautica: Sub Zero has such a contrived story. Nothing makes any sense at all. The original has many, many illogical parts but it was within a threshold where I could still enjoy it. 😟🤷🤦
Nevertheless, really well-made documentary, thank you! 🙂👍
How Marguarit survive the carra bacteria ?
No idea, but it’s probably because of the Peeper’s distributing Enzyme 42 to cure Kharaa
,,Detecting a singular Marguerit Maida-class life form in the region. Are you certain whatever you're doing is worth it?''
if a guy named "i dont have plot armor" got plot armor when hes nearly gonna die
imagine a timeline where Marguerit and Ryley met each other on 4546b (maybe in some alternate timeline where Ryley wasn't able to build a neptune escape rocket and had to leave the crater for whatever reason)
if you went on the "underside of the planet" would the gun be able to shoot you?
Ghost Leviathans: Hello fellas
Maybe the precursors built multile guns
real, and real
Hi breathtaker :)
Hi trooper!
I say Margret is not insane, but a Survivor. Did think she did gard a VIP and not the capten.
Just want to point out. The fact that 3 people with no professional experience and using salvaged materials were able to construct an airtight, self-supporting habitat 250 meters underwater WITHOUT A SEAMOTH is completely insane.
Wait degasi and aurora weren't suposed to investigate mercuryII ?
In planet 4546B, Marguerit Maida remains the top 1 Apex predator of the planet. Basically she owns everything inside that planet