As a matter of interest, an essential extra here is the kickstand sensor protector. Honestly, I’m not sure why this doesn’t come as standard? If it’s damaged by a rock the engine cuts immediately, which in my mind is a safety issue. If damaged, it’s easily bypassed by cutting then joining the red and white wires, but I’d prefer not to be doing such things if I don’t have to!
Great review. Lots of data. A very clear explanation of the characteristics and the feeling of the GS. Just one thing, you speak very fast ! Thanks we have subtitles. Congrats once again.
Very well produced video. I enjoy all of them not just for the great insights on the different bikes but because I spent 5 years living in that part of the world and I enjoy the trip down memory lane.
Just seems like yesterday that I commented on your 1 yr anniversary on the GS! I have enjoyed your commentary on the GS. I will be buying a GSA next year. Look forward to your upcoming travels!
Looking forward to the 3 year review - it's been watching your videos that prompted me to take a look at the GS - glad I did - picking mine up this coming weekend - can't wait !!! Keep the vids coming - thank you.
Thanks for the kind comments Gary -I so wish I was on commission with BMW as you're certainly not the first to say that!! They are great bikes, you'll love it....have fun! All the best - TMF
Nice honest review TMF and to hear the figures you quoted had me hiding behind a pillow but that's maybe because I'm still stuck in the late ninety's early 2000 with my road bike which is an old BMW which I love and don't care if anybody thinks it has an old man image,I even joined the BMW owners club. Don't ride with them very much but they have a massive wealth of knowledge of these machines and have only been to pleased to help. The GS/GSA doesn't appeal to me personally but then a lot of modern motorcycles don't but I can tell you if I was given one I'd only be too pleased to have it, they are popular for a reason and that's because they are (and every body knows it) a fantastic motorcycle. Thanks for all your videos and have a great new year and keep it rubber side down.
Thank you Peter, and yes, like ford Mondeos, there is a reason why these are so popular - as you say, they are bloody good! Thanks for your support and watching my videos this year, here's to a great biking 2016 - all the best TMF (PS I now regret the Mondeo comparison!)
Excellent review... thanks for posting this and your other quality videos. I have the exact same '14 R1200GS and have to say that your assessment / review is spot on... I would say almost the exact same about my bike also two years in. Will look forward to your 3 year review. Also - would be interested if you could compare to others in your videos, such as your new Pangale. While obviously they are very different bikes, am interested in your perspective comparing as I consider other bikes as well. I believe other viewers likewise would appreciate. Again - thanks for posting such excellent quality reviews.
+Sean Kantorow Thanks Sean, appreciate the positive comments and glad you concur with my assessment of the splendid GS.....and as you say my other bikes are very different machines, so not quite sure how the comparison would run but I'll have a think about it and add it to the list...stay tuned!
+TheMissendenFlyer Hey Mate! Happy New Year! Interesting question from Sean. When I open the garage door it's the Double Bl**dy R every time, mainly because it's so good in traffic - much better than a GS (see Von Grumble's vids for proof)... Unless the weather's shite, or I've been issued with a LONG shopping list and then, of course, it's the trusty, old-man's GS. Next time you're heading for Yarksheer, give me a shout and I'll buy you a coffee at Squires.
+Buzz Shiteyear Yes on the garage door test my eyes are only for the Panigale, but if I could only have one bike then the GS wins hands down! Cheers and Happy New Year to you too! - TMF
Smiled at your comments about the perceived image.... So true! And completely unjustified in my opinion. Amazing what jealousy will do as it's an amazing bike. I enjoy all your vids- articulate and unbiased... Keep up the good work!
They call it old man's bike because no young chap in his 20's can usually aford one... its as simple as that. Same as 'old age crisis car' 'look at this guy driving Mustang he must be having mifdle age crisis of his late 40's. Fecking true... what guy in his 20's can usually aford brand new sportscar. ... GS got its name but it doesnt desetve it
Excellent video. Just about to buy my first GS from Barnstormer in Alton so just what i wanted to hear. Was blown away with the quality on my test ride.
Another great video thanks! Mine will be two years old end of Feb. 45 000 Kms on it so far no problems at all to report. All services done myself from day one , no shims required on second valve check at 40 K either. Did a nice ride last year at the MOA in Billings and that is why I highly recommend taking the GS to the US , we were a group of 3 ,two other older1200 GSA's and myself. Going up the mountain in Wyoming in a National Park up to 10 000 ft it was a Stelvio like experience and I was nearly scraping foot pegs on the way up , ( Anakee 3's ) panniers and all ,and at the very top we went off - road through some pretty rough stuff to look at some Native American monuments, what an incredibly versatile machine, best bike ever, a keeper. Regards from Calgary..
+zubtf .....wow sounds like a great trip - very nice having the Rockies on your doorstep too I would imagine. A big road trip into the US is definitely on the card for me - but it's 5 years out (a retirement adventure!). Glad to hear you're still loving the bike after all those miles, I agree, the GS is a super versatile long term keeper. All the best and thanks for stopping by - TMF
Hi TMF. Gave the GS a good test this morning with a 100+ miles ride in poor weather including strong winds. The bike just took everything that was thrown at it and remained solid as a rock. New MRA screen performed well on all roads, particularly impressed on the A1 at speed; I have the spoiler extended to its tallest position and that works for me. Being 6' 2" I've fitted a high seat and may have to fit bar risers to maintain good ergonomics. Overall, I'm very impressed with the mighty GS, works better for me than the 2014 RT did. Hope you're well and getting out and about. Cheers for now, Andy
Hi Andy, glad to hear you're getting on well with the GS, it's not by chance it's so popular is it. If I could only have one bike it would definitely be the GS. Roll on summer eh? All the best - TMF
I don't own a GS (i have the XR) but still i watched the whole video. Your videos are some of the most informative and useful videos out there. Keep up the great work and ride safe!
+TheMissendenFlyer I'm loving the XR except for those vibrations around 5K rpm. I solved it to a certain extent by putting on some heavier bar ends from HVMP. It's still there, but much less than earlier. I just love the incredible power and handling of the XR. I added the Navigator V after I saw your review ;) Got my eye on a GS now, perhaps next year!
A year ago, I saw your one-year review of the R1200GS and it certainly influenced my decision to buy one. As a fellow GS rider, I think your comments then and now are spot-on. This bike is a versatile, well-engineered machine that's capable of doing many things well. I commuted, toured and even attended a track day on it. It reminds me of the 8" chef's knife in my kitchen. Its unique look isn't for everyone. Personally, I find it masculine. Curiously, people here associate riding a BMW GS with stranger things than the folks in the UK. Not "Ewan and McGregor wannabe", but "refuse to grow up" and "single and rich". Regardless of that, I am having a great time on this bike and I hope to keep riding it for a long time. And by the way, I bought the Navigator V partly because of your stellar review, too.
+James L Great stuff James, I'm so glad my review turned out to be true for you too! Interesting that you think the bike says "young and rich" as here they are very much "old mans" bikes!! Whatever the image, I love mine and wouldn't be without it - if I could only have one machine, that would be the one. Thanks for watching and stopping by, appreciate your kind comments - all the best - TMF
I wish it meant that! Unfortunately it actually translates to "This man is probably middle-aged and unable to get married. That's why he has enough spare cash to blow on an expensive man-toy like a BMW GS." It's seen as an "old man's bike" here just like everywhere else. However, GS riders are getting younger these days. I was 31 when I got mine. In any case, enjoy your ride and stay safe!
If it wasn't for the running costs of these toys, I'd definitely own a 3rd and 4th bike by now, but I already run a car, van, boat and 2 motorcycles, oh plus a wife and 2 sons, lol. Great review TMF, merry xmas to you and the family. regards, Paul.
+Jim Magel Cheers Jim, enjoy your new ride, awesome machine - you made a good choice! ...and yes, that I intend to do (in fact I haven't stopped, I just don't film everything I do on the bikes....). All the best - TMF
Thanks for the effort and honest professionalism you put into your videos, you speak my language. I'm very seriously considering buying one of these (From BMW Maidenhead also) sometime in the next couple of months and your reviews are a great and very appreciated help. You live very near me which mean your reviews are done in a practically identical riding environment to mine, hence my avid interest. The other contender for me is new soon to be released Triumph Tiger Explorer 1200, I have a very interested eye on one of those also! I currently ride a 2015 Daytona R (which I'm keeping) every day but with all my winter gear on it's a bit cramped and it isn't up to the job of long journeys. Keep up the great work! PS Nice Cheeky Panigale you have there ;)
+Adie Kitachi Thanks Adie - I'm a Triumph fan (hence my Street Triple) but I think the GS is the better bike than the Tiger Explorer 1200 - although that's just my opinion of course, the answer is to test ride them both. The guys at Hertfordshire Triumph are very accommodating (up in Hemel) as are the Bahnstormer boys...thanks for the kind words, let me know which way you eventually go? Cheers - TMF.
I rode a GS from Maidenhead to Henley (nice route) today and I loved it! Amazingly agile for its size and with plenty of power of tap! I'll let you know which I choose :)
hi there, great video as usual. I just wanted to point out one thing though. I know your videos are viewed by people all over the world and it would appear there are regional differences in the price of BMW servicing. my GS Adventure is due for its 6000 mile service and I was quoted £180 including vat and all materials from my local BMW dealership (this also included the brake fluid change) . Obviously the prices are higher in your neck of the woods. I live in the north east. just thought this was worth a mention as the prices you quoted may give people in other regions an innacurate idea of the running costs!
+stuart fillingham Hi Stuart, thanks for the kind words and good point - it does of course depend on where you have your servicing done. Now my machine is out of warranty I'm less inclined to go to my local BMW dealer and fully expect servicing costs to come way down using my favourite independent engineer. Cheers for stopping by and here's to a great riding Summer ahead eh?
Stuart and TMF, I am a proud T120 owner and watch both your channels religiously. I am mid 20's and would love a big GS, not phased by the old bloke image haha. Thanks for all the work you both put into your videos, keem them coming! Queensland, Australia.
TMF it must take forever replying to all the comments! A great review as always and bike looking pristine. Mine is up for 2 years old in Feb (18,000 miles on the clock) dont know if I should sell / keep it. Quite like the look of the Triple Black. Have a great Xmas and hope we get some dry days over the festive period for a "Run Out". I feel for those poor folk up in Cumbria ! Steve, Bristol
+Steve Williams Thanks Steve - Replying to comments is all part of the fun, plus I get to learn loads. If you sell what will you replace her with?? That black does look good but for me I'm not sure it's worth the depreciation hit after 2 years!!! Fingers crossed on the weather - all the best and Merry Christmas - TMF
Hi TMF. Ah yes - the review I’ve been waiting for! Very comprehensive indeed. Like me you’re clearly meticulous :) If you’re interested in a few comparisons: my fuel consumption is around 4.9L/100km, if my calculations are correct slightly better than yours. That’s no surprise since I do far more open road riding. I already have 9,000km on the clock after just four months. Annual insurance for just the Beemer is around £385, but your service costs appear to be substantially higher. I’m expecting to pay around £115 for the upcoming 10k service at the dealer. As I mentioned once before, here the Navigator V would set you back around £425 at the dealer. The powers that be here feel we shouldn’t have options, so all we get is the GS with most of those extras you mentioned fitted as standard, which probably amounts to your TE model minus one or two bits. My GSA was sold as a ‘full spec’ machine and came with everything except shift assist and keyless ride. My favourite feature hands down is cruise control - an absolute lifesaver when travelling cross-country on our long dead straight roads. Either way, thanks for the review. And best wishes for Christmas! Cheers, Andy.
+Andrew Harvey Hi Andy - I have a couple of earlier reviews of the GS too if you check out my channel and are interested - thanks for the words of encouragement. Sounds like all round you get a better deal than we do!! Have a great Christmas - TMF
You should change to white lights in your garage. That way the colors in your bikes (specially the Ducati) will really shine. I really enjoy your videos btw.
Thanks for the review. In Australia we don't have any image issues with the GS. Another accessory is the GS tank bag (small) which is a very handy piece for storage for camera, phone etc: plus waterproof. Doing a trip around Tasmania soon which really looking forward to putting the GS through its paces. Total return trip from Brisbane around 5,000km's. Keep up the good work with these reviews. Cheers
Pretty similar to my 3 years of 13 & 15 GS ownership. I often look to change bikes, even take a test ride and invariably compare it to the GS I rode in on and then ride away on the GS, it is just an amazing machine that is hard to replace.
Great video , I'm hopefully going to get one come the spring and this reinforces my belief that I'm getting a decent bike , I've enjoyed your videos this year and look forward to next year particularly now you have the Panigale ! In the meantime have a great Christmas !
+Adrian Rigby Thanks Adrian, you won't regret getting a GS, they are just brilliant bikes. Thanks for the kind words and have a happy Christmas yourself, all the best - TMF
Like you I am very impressed with the R1200GSW. Picked mine up May 10, 2014 and now have 25,450 miles. The original Anakee III tires were replaced at 13,500 miles with Conti Trail Attack II. The GS has replaced my car as a daily driver, rain or shine. Love the electronics and the different riding modes. I installed the BMW crash bars for head protection; Touratech radiator guards; Wunderlich offset bar risers for a little more comfort and no adjustment on the clutch and brake lines. No doubt, I would buy this bike again.
+Scot Pleski Yes me too...glad you concur with my findings. Strange how BMW fit different OEM tyres, mine came with the Conti Trail Attacks fitted from the factory - I've been impressed with their longevity. Thanks for watching and for stopping by, all the best - TMF
Yes they are great machines, I reckon you'll get a good deal on one of these in a few months as BMW release details of the heavily revised new model for 2017....
I went to Bahnstormer for an Akrapovic fitted to the new RT. Fitted free, 20% discount on exhaust and posted stock exhaust back to me. Everyone in the dealership came to talk to me. Best personable service at any BMW dealers I've been to. Bit far for me but enjoyed the visit.
Nice review. Love my 2008 R1200GS. I've been thinking of changing it for sometime but can never work out what for, so I just keep running it. 60,000+kms and still goes oh so well.
+Motorcycle Mumbling ...no point in changing for the sake of it, if you like what you have, stick with it! Thanks for the kind words and for stopping by - all the best - TMF
Professional as ever. You mentioned the image problem, and highlighted some of the common gripes. I know the GS would suit me perfectly, I had the 1150 version, but; and here it is, BM's are not built to the level of days yore. Component failure is common, and that bevel box bearing will fail. I don't trust the media hype surrounding BMW/KTM's, and by judging the respective forum comments, neither do the buying public. You obviously look after yours, but have you seen the condition of a lot of nearly new GS's at dealers- definately not premium quality. Keep up the good work. Jeff Birchall
Thanks for the video TMF, very informative. Looking forward to taking delivery of my GS in January, will try to keep it looking as immaculate as yours. Merry Christmas to you and look forward to more riding and features in 2016.
Excellent video and review. Just got the first 1000 miles out of the way on my GS. Out of interest , who do you use as an independent for serving? My previous bike (2005 RT) was looked after by Motoscot in Luton who I would highly recommend. When this bikes out of warranty I'll be looking to go back. My only concern is the degree of reliance on technology such a software updates which independents may not have access to. Will you be taking out BMW's extended warranty package now it's over 2 years old?
+Mike Sturgess No I wont extend the warranty, in general I'm anti-insurance.... For my local servicing I use Nigel Ellis at Mototune in Chesham, he's a great guy and knows his stuff, charges reasonable prices too...recommended if you're local....
When I hear about the prices of the accessories, for motorcycles in general, just screams of ripoff. £300+ for a top box? It's a plastic box that costs a few quid to make in China..
how tall are you M/flyer, i'm 5'7 and seriously thinking of a 2014 gs but a bit concerned with the hieght. i know they come in a lowered version but can't seem to find one to try???
Very informative yet again. Thanks for the tip about the steering damper! Not sure if to go new or second hand in the spring. Keep 'em coming! Kind regards, Jon.
Thanks JLO staff, good to hear from you again.....whichever way you go you will love the GS it's a brilliant do it all bit of kit.....all the best - TMF
Great video. Good videography and excellent information. Would you suggest a 1200gs for a new rider or do you think an F800 will be more suitable and allow for easier growing of skills? I notice that you have the lower saddle installed. Do you find it easy to manoeuvre in general since it is quite a tall bike nevertheless.
Thanks John - well like so many things "it depends"...but in general I would say start smaller/lighter and work up to it - maybe a 2nd hand F800GS for 6 months or so to consolidate your craft??
Thank you for answering . Funny thing is that i thought that the gs was easier to handle than the f800 (both standard seat height, 29.5" inseam for me) but I am a bit wary of those moments that due to inexperience some wobbling may take place. And of course there is the huge question on what will allow me to grow my riding skills, and that is why I asked. :) Thanks! PS I liked your comment about designing bikes for dutch people..LOL..European adventure bikes are definitely too high..
Great Review - You briefly mentioned cleaning the difficulty with cleaning, your bike looks brand new! Any chance you could do a video about how you clean it?
Currently driving a r1200rt also considered as an old mans bike!! Maybe it's because at 20k plus it's too much money for the younger generation ( I'm 43 btw). Personally I think they're fantastic bikes. Thank for another great video and merry Christmas!!!
Nice review. Enjoy your videos. BTW, where did you get the lower seat? and how much lower is it than the standard seat in the lower position? Thanks again for your vids.
Hi Matthew, glad you like the videos, I got the seat from my local BMW dealer but you can probably order online too (they are a standard part). I can't remember exactly the height difference, it's a few centimetres, the cut outs are deeper too so your legs can get straighter - does make all the difference. Cheers - TMF
+TheMissendenFlyer unfortunately yes and very common. The recovery chap said to me if he had a pound for every one that had switch problems... And I thought German technology was good. Gulp!
Great update - I'd have loved to have gotten your thoughts (given the benefits of 20/20 hindsight of course) on the high value farkles....any regrets on the Arrow? Happy with the sat-nav still now that smartphones are taking over more and more? How about the driving lights? And the Touratech headguards....same price as the crash bars..wow
+Timothy Rawson Hi Tim - to answer your specific questions....the Arrow has gone (too loud on long journeys!), a smartphone can never beat the integration with the bike the Nav 5 has (although do make for better satnavs!), the driving lights are still a brilliant aid to conspicuity
great review! didn't want that to end. I would ask though..I took one of these out and found comfort mode jiggly over very pattery surfaces. does the suspension soften up over time from new or is it just me?
+Yar D Blah Thanks for the kind words, glad you enjoyed the video - I don't have a "comfort" mode (I have Wet, Road, Dyna, Enduro and Enduro Pro)....I've not noticed the suspension soften up over time - do you have the suspension loading set for single rider only (you can preset it for rider + pillion, rider with bags, etc, etc)....???
Your best vid yet, and that's saying a lot. Trying to figure out why I'm only getting about 47 mpg on my GS. It has 5100 miles so will be going to the shop for service soon. I don't ride it hard but almost have the luggage on for all the stuff it takes to be me so maybe that's it. Anyway keep up the great work.
+Gregory Beckner Thanks Greg...in truth my MPG does vary depending on what I'm doing, my 55 may have been optimistic - I think that was as indicated on the bike so may not tally with reality...I'll pay better attention and report back. Thanks for stopping by, all the best - TMF
Just stumbled across this clip, and may I say it's a educational step by step talk through that answers all and more questions I had regarding purchase, up keep cost, and reliability. Not only that I got individual parts cost which is excellent. So this is were I go and spend my hard end cash on a bike that hopefully looks like this one. Only one question Steve , is there a reason why you haven't put a complete engine crash unit on (crash cage) ? Thanks Tony
+anthony mcdougall Hi Tony - thanks for your kind words, glad you enjoyed my efforts! I have added cylinder head guards and engine crash bars but held off the crash bars for the top of the bike only because I didn't like the look of them (and felt - maybe incorrectly - the engine is the most vulnerable part on these bikes). Not only that but I've clearly already spent too much on this machine :0) Good luck on finding your new bike, they are fabulous bits of kit - all the best - TMF.
Try out the K60 tires next time. The only bad thing about them I can find is the front tire is noisy. One thing is for sure, with tires like that nobody is gonna think you are an old goldwinger or harley man. They do great on the tarmac and better on gravel. I haven't been in mud yet, but just look at them. They are directional tread like mudder tires. :) Great review and I agree with all your stuff. I had to raise the handlebars and lower the pegs to improve riding position and reduce knee and shoulder pain on extended rides. Mine had about 6500 miles, and the only things so far needed are a bulb and tires. The stock rear tire got me stuck on a muddy back road. I thought I was going to have to walk out. There was probably 2500 miles left on them, but they had to go.
John from across the pond. Just put the BMW charger on my GS today, nice piece of kit. My wife likes your choice of wine on your workbench. Have a Merry Christmas.
Hi John, wow, well done on getting your wife to watch a video like this one! .....I know from my stats that my views are only 5% from women.....story of my life really!!
Thanks for the great reviews! I have had a 2008 model since new and it is virtually not burning any oil at 110K km. I had a test ride of a water cooled one and it was extremely twitchy and responsive in comparison, so much that when I pulled into traffic back on my old bike and opened the throttle I thought I had stalled it! Cruise control would be great, and would have paid for itself in fines avoided. But it is such a reliable bike, I would hate to get a new one and find it's a lemon. Hard for someone in your position to advise me I know, but do you think the improvements make it worth while getting a new one? Matt
+Matt Edwards Well I never rode the air cooled version so can't talk from my own experience. All the reviews in the biking press seem to indicate the the liquid cooled version is s huge improvement though so I would say yes they are, but I guess it comes down to how much money you wish to burn on the exercise, and as you say, if you're happy with what you have why change?? Sorry I'm not much help....all the best - TMF
Hey Dad, I recognize the image problem. I am 32 and after 11 years sportbikes I now own a 2015 gs. I love it! (Your video's also helped me making the choice for a GS) You could have a chance to make a video of how you do the big cleaning and with what resources? Keep making videos! Regards, Roger (NL)
+R-E-S Thanks Roger - a few people have asked that, I don't want to teach anyone how to suck eggs but maybe I'll add that to my list of pending videos! Thanks for stopping by, Happy Christmas - TMF
Great review, throughly enjoyed it. I think the accessories are well worth it and frankly can't think of a more capable bike than the GS. I've only ever ridden a 650, for about 4000 miles I suppose? Do you recommend me getting one? I'm 6'2" and 'bout 240 lbs.
Fantastic review THF! shocking servicing costs though! On the cleaning front would the use of a airline air duster not help? Drying it out etc That's what I'm planning on using👍
+Gsman Thanks GSman - I have a hot air bike dryer that works a treat for getting in all the nooks and crannies....still a right faff though as you blow moisture from one nook to another cranny!......thanks for the kind words, glad you liked the review, all the best - TMF
Hi TMF I'm not sure if I can ask on here but where did you get your multi bike insurance? I've had to pay £338 with no, no claims discount as its used on the RT, also whats the bike dryer? apologies if your not allowed to ask!
+Gsman ....I'm with Hastings Direct but they'll only insure 2 of my 4 bikes on one policy, so I have to have 2 "multibike" policies - I couldn't recommend them, very hard to do business with....the bike dryer is like an uber powerful hairdryer that's used to dry the bike after a wash, get's into all the difficult to reach areas (they're quite expensive but well worth the money)....cheers - TMF
+TheMissendenFlyer cheers, I did try Hastings but they said they would only go up to 20k combined value! I will look at the bike dryer, also just fyi another difference between 2013 and 2014 GS is they put a larger fly wheel on the 2014 to make it smoother!
Great review ! I still love my GS. I was robbed on the first break in service also but what can you do... Did the valve specs check out ? Were shims required ? Planning a BIG trip next July ! BMW MOA national rally in upstate NY, then off to ride the BRP & back west through the states. Hopefully ride the Beartooth again through beautiful Montana & home to Calgary. Can't wait...excited already ! All the best to you in 2016 ! 🏁
+Cadbury Lover Cheers CL and good to hear from you again - Luckily my valves checked out OK, no shimming required......you getting ripped off too makes me feel better :0) Sound like a great trip you have lined up there, very envious! Enjoy and Happy New Year to you too.....cheers - TMF
Have an identical GS.Same Colour.Agreed it a lovely bike.Old man image,well I am an old man! Never found that I get less nods from other bikers.I nod to anyone,scooters,mopeds,learners.Who cares what they ride!If they don't want to nod back, hey!! Probably, surprised that a rider of a big bike nods at them in the first place.Old guys on classics are usually the worst.I won't mention a certain person on a Vincent!!! Well perhaps I will.Gave him a wave in the petrol station.Looked at me like something the Cat dragged in! Then he couldn't Kick start it.I thought well! Your the owner of a Classic Vincent,you won't need my help.But the GS! If it wasn't for the on/off throttle at slow speed it would be the best bike I have ever owned.
Great and honest review as usual. As a fellow GS owner I can relate to the strange attitude from some other bikers, not all. Will your foreign trip take you to the BMW Festival at Garmisch? You should be a VIP guest of BMW! I hope to make the trip in 2016.
+Rob Gutteridge Hi Rob - thanks for your kind words, if I'm heading abroad then I'm heading South in search of sunshine! Have a great biking 2016......TMF
Hi TMF, hope you're well. Have taken delivery of the GS today and spent a bit of time familiarising myself with it in the garage this evening. Having a little difficulty understanding the BC Custom display settings; the Operator's Manual is a little vague as it was for the RT (which was actually misleading). In particular I want to display the speed digitally as the clocks are a bit small, a criticism I've read in every review! Do you have any tips? Cheers, Andy
+Andrew Tofts ....I haven't customised my display (a I tend to use the giant display on the Nav V for speed) so I'm afraid I can't really offer any advice....maybe a run out to the dealer is in order (mine initially set mine up)....good luck and have fun on the bike! All the best - TMF
+TheMissendenFlyer Thanks TMF, I forgot you have the Nav 5; I have a Garmin 660LM which while fits into the bracket and connects to the electrics, cannot offer any displays. As you suggest, a ride out to a BMW dealer would be the answer. Am impressed with the locking device for the Sat Nav as it fell out of the RT twice on me while on the move; luckily I was able to catch it on both occasions! Cheers, Andy
+Andrew Tofts ...yes the Nav V is expensive, but for giving you decent displays on the GS it's a real boon! (I know you don't want to hear that!!!)...good luck with getting your bike set up.....TMF
+diff22000 Cheers diff22000 - I'm with Hastings Direct and there is no way I could recommend them, they always cock things up - this time around they lost my no claims bonus and I had to prove to them I had 3 years (even though I've been with them for 4 and never made a claim), they add random stuff onto the premium without asking, they mess up the policy documents, they take forever to answer the phone, they won't insure all my bikes on one policy, I could go on and on...as soon as I can get shot of them I will! You can tell, I'm not impressed with them....
You have a fantastic bike there! I have a 2009 BMW F650GS, lovely bike, been riding it for about 1.5 seasons now, had a bit of an accident with it, started repairing it myself. Quite costly!
TheMissendenFlyer Didn't have a scratch one me, I would say it was a miracle! Went too fast in a curve, panicked, didn't look where I wanted to go so I fell off the bike. Had to replace the handle bar, foot peg, and the left button assembly.
Hi TMF, you reviewed R1200RS recently tell me please so if you were to buy BMW bike again and choose between GS and RS which one would you go for? Would you consider RS while you don't do any offroad... Lots of safe miles mate!
+Vstm Hi again Vstm, good to hear from you - I would go for the GS purely because of the looks - not that I love the GS but the RS is sooo ugly to my eyes. The RS is lovely to ride and very quick, but I would open the garage and feel a bit queasy looking at it there....silly I know.
+Vstm Looks aside I'd take the RS - has all the good bits of the GS plus a bit more speed - I'd wait for an update though to see if BMW get rid of the handle bar vibration at certain revs, that would get on my nerves....
Morning Tris, funnily enough you're not the first to mention that.....glad you approve, not entirely sure there's a video in it, or if there is, it would be a very short one!! All the best and thanks for watching and stopping by......
Yes, I can imagine it would be difficult to make a video on the garage and keep it interesting... Maybe a brief supplementary at the end of another vid...
Greetings from South Africa. Great review of the bike, can't believe how much you guys are paying in the UK for stuff! I do a lot of touring with Charley Boorman over here......Keep well
Hey SA adventure! Good to hear from you, don't tell me all this stuff is much cheaper in South Africa too?? It seems we Brits are being ripped off a bit....I hope you are enjoying the Summer, have a great Christmas down there! TMF
+Alan Edward ....only that I feel for those that have had an issue, luckily for me so far, no sign (but then mine is cleaned regularly, has always been ACF 50'd, gets dried with a bike dryer and lives in a garage + rarely gets ridden in rain)....thanks for watching and for stopping by - TMF
Nice review. Question for you (cause I wondered the same thing) looks like you never took it off road, they why not buy a more 'road' oriented bike from BMW? since all your riding is on tarmac (paved roads).
The 1250 gs review: The verdict: Bigger motor making more power and torque than a R1200 GS, significantly smoother. It is stronger down low, has it got more midrange and ofcourse the top end is what impresses me the most. But it sure is creamier than the 1200,didn’t expect that. Again the engine is mechanically quieter, less lumpy arguably. The combustion strokes are more masked than before, you can’t feel the engine on idle throttle. Quieter exhaust note than the 1200 - deeper growl. BMW’s Shiftcam is entirely undetectable in use.No surging, no change in engine note. Same Telelever front end, same Paralever shaft drive, same frame, tank, seat, and same semi-active suspension option The 1250 doesn’t feel any heavier than the 1200 while its 5kg heavier in specs than the 1200. Offroad -the smoother low-down performance will make the GS more manageable The 1250’s brakes are as per the 1200 despite the caliper change on the front end. No change in its riding position-wide black bars which is a very, very good thing. I’d say the 1250 is fitter than a 1200 GS off the bottom end less noticeably so in the midrange at part throttle, but significantly more powerful wide open at the top end... so, fitter everywhere.
Sad to say that outstanding BMW service standard is not everywhere for everyone. I purchased RT sometime ago here in Eire and they loved me as long as I kept cash in my hand, when bike started breaking down suddenly there was noone to return my phonecall. It all depends on particular dealer/people...
Its called a Old Man's Bike , because it takes yourself that long to save the Ride away price money . With the Low seat option , how high is the seat ? Nice video .
You may be right!!! I'm not sure off the top of my head on the height - you loose about 20mm IIRC - pretty sure the BMW website has the details if it's important?? Thanks for watching and for the kind words - all the best - TMF
A while ago i watched your tutorial on the Navigator V, you mentioned a point on lean angles, how do i find that? Look forward to more of your videos, what have you planned?
...I was wrong about lean angles Derek, although you can get an app for your phone if you're desperate for that info! Loads more videos in the can and planned, my schedule is full up until October currently! Stay tuned....
There is something not entirely clear to me. seems like UK is adopting the metric system to some degree. Why are you still measuring speed in miles, but defining weight in kilograms ? :) (no offense, just curious ) Enjoyed the review btw Im also on 2014 GS, but grey
Just an anomaly - we tend to use both metric and imperial in a mixed up fashion - I use feet and inches as well as Metres and centimetres, etc...either works here.
As always, another wonderful review. I live in California and I don’t think BMW has the same “old man” image that you mentioned is common in the UK. I am asked about how often I take it off-road or travel across the US on it. I absolutely adore my R 1200 GS and it is by far the best motorcycle I have ever owned.
+Terry Blanchard It's definitely on the bucket list and loosely planned for 3 years time......but I suspect I will be renting a Harley (got to for that one really).......
+TheMissendenFlyer We shipped 2 x 1200GS from Oz to USA last September (for the whole month) and did 9500km up the coast into Canada and back. Two others in the group were on Harleys.... all I can say is *take your GS*. Harley's cant go around corners ;-)
Hi mate, if I'd known you were having a ride over Holme moss you could have called in for a brew, only a few miles away. My first service was only £160. Had same problem with sat nav barrel lock & had new front brake fluid reservoir cap but all under warranty. Planning Scotland with wife & friends for next year. Thanks for vids & have a great Christmas. PS. Think I can spot a GoPro under the tree lol.
+TheMissendenFlyer just checked bank statement to make sure I wasn't giving you duff info. 1st annual service was £136.61 that was at rainbow BMW dealership Rotherham. So yes think you need to shop around mate. I put my first TH-cam vid on a few months ago. Wales trip with mates. It's only stills but worth a look. Will upload more when I get hold of the GoPro. Cheers, Karl.
Regarding your disappointment with price. I would also like to reduce the damages if possible. I wish you would do a comparison In the feel and complexities from a base GS to one with Dynamic ESA (like yours). There is a scant amount of Information online. I feel you would do an excellent job at explaining and demonstrating the difference for those of us who have a lesser than impressive budget. Please explore & investigate for us if possible/based on your resources, if one could own a base GS and if there could be money saved without regret. Thank-you in advance for even the slightest effort. Very few own a newer Base boxer twin, however because of the lower price, the Base model is so much more accessible to the majority of us! This would also reduce the amount spent in possible maintenance.
Just watched this and the follow-on videos included one from "shadetree surgeon" (related to his new-found desire for a GS), which is very much on-point regarding negative opinions of the GS. Personally I think BMW bikes have always been deceptively efficient and well-executed; and for years simply under the radar of most bikers. Now they're a whole different ball of wax. Love the look of the GS as much as the 1000RR. Your cylinder protectors if anything make the bike even more classy, at least to my eyes. Perhaps it's my eyesight! Any interest in a classic bike? Number five? Might crowd the garage somewhat though! Later TMF...
...yeah I'd love a classic bike, in fact I've been to a museum full of 'em today....the subject of a video "coming soon"....thanks for stopping by - all the best - TMF
TMF....merry xmas Just a quick post re switches on the GS and GSA, after a 2500 elm ride a month or so ago I too noticed both the kill switch and the cruise control switches were playing up, took my bike (R1200 GSA LC )into my local dealer a couple of days before xmas and apparently there was a recall on them and so the dealer replaced both switches free of charge.... happy days. So if you still have problems it might be a plan to get them replaced as when I cut the engine in a fairly remote location I could't get the bike to start as the kill switch was locked, (sprayed some water into it, actually it was carbonated water which I shook to get a bit of extra pressure) seemed to work but used the ignition after that :-) All the best for the new year. Blackhawk
+Black Hawk Hi again Black Hawk - how interesting, I never heard about that recall! If that is the case and mine do play up (I don't have serious issues, just once in a while I notice the one switch doesn't quite return to where it should) at least I may be able to get them swapped without having to pay! Cheers for that intel and Happy New Year to you too....TMF
Great review and agree. I've just had mine for 1 year now and have done 25,000 km - lots of tar and lots of dirt. My only regret is not getting the factory lowered option (too impatient). Only failures have been 1 battery and the start switch, both fixed under warranty. Too many extras fitted and I'm not going to add up the cost :-( Bottom line: Fabulous bike to go anywhere.
You haven't mentioned anything about that dynamic gear change assist bit you added. How does it work, does it work and how long does it take to get used to????. Making a right old pigs gear of mine on a 2017 GS 1200 model. I know to use slightly higher reves, but I keep backing off to go up, the bike doesn't like me or tryies to break my toes, and I grag throttle to shift down, that doesn't always go very well either. Please Please give us a tutorial on how to make it work smoothly. Rest is brilliant.
really interesting video, I'm on the look out for one of these,.after watching this video and giving the costs, I'm hoping to get one already specked up.thanks for the info great video infact all your video,s are good to watch
It is the same as Baron's? I think he has the 1200, but it might be the 650.... Either way, must be real torquey. How tall would you need to be to ride this? Very expensive..
+Storm I think BvG has the GSA (the "Adventure" version - slightly bigger fuel tank, different styling up front and aluminium pannier scaffolding at the back). I'm only 5'8 ish and I have no problems riding her, there is a factory low suspension option too if you need a really low one.....
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As a matter of interest, an essential extra here is the kickstand sensor protector. Honestly, I’m not sure why this doesn’t come as standard? If it’s damaged by a rock the engine cuts immediately, which in my mind is a safety issue. If damaged, it’s easily bypassed by cutting then joining the red and white wires, but I’d prefer not to be doing such things if I don’t have to!
Great review. Lots of data. A very clear explanation of the characteristics and the feeling of the GS.
Just one thing, you speak very fast ! Thanks we have subtitles.
Congrats once again.
Thanks Alberto - and sorry I speak so quickly! :0)
Yo dude a very professional review as always a pleasure to watch 👍🏻🏍
+lomate lomatey Thank you very much, appreciate the kind comments :0)
Very well produced video. I enjoy all of them not just for the great insights on the different bikes but because I spent 5 years living in that part of the world and I enjoy the trip down memory lane.
+Robert Fales Great stuff Robert, glad to be if service and thanks for the kind words! All the best - TMF
Just seems like yesterday that I commented on your 1 yr anniversary on the GS! I have enjoyed your commentary on the GS. I will be buying a GSA next year. Look forward to your upcoming travels!
Hi again Shawn, thanks for sticking with me.....you're going to love the big GSA, awesome machine...all the best - TMF
Looking forward to the 3 year review - it's been watching your videos that prompted me to take a look at the GS - glad I did - picking mine up this coming weekend - can't wait !!! Keep the vids coming - thank you.
Thanks for the kind comments Gary -I so wish I was on commission with BMW as you're certainly not the first to say that!! They are great bikes, you'll love it....have fun! All the best - TMF
Nice honest review TMF and to hear the figures you quoted had me hiding behind a pillow but that's maybe because I'm still stuck in the late ninety's early 2000 with my road bike which is an old BMW which I love and don't care if anybody thinks it has an old man image,I even joined the BMW owners club. Don't ride with them very much but they have a massive wealth of knowledge of these machines and have only been to pleased to help. The GS/GSA doesn't appeal to me personally but then a lot of modern motorcycles don't but I can tell you if I was given one I'd only be too pleased to have it, they are popular for a reason and that's because they are (and every body knows it) a fantastic motorcycle. Thanks for all your videos and have a great new year and keep it rubber side down.
Thank you Peter, and yes, like ford Mondeos, there is a reason why these are so popular - as you say, they are bloody good! Thanks for your support and watching my videos this year, here's to a great biking 2016 - all the best TMF (PS I now regret the Mondeo comparison!)
Excellent review... thanks for posting this and your other quality videos. I have the exact same '14 R1200GS and have to say that your assessment / review is spot on... I would say almost the exact same about my bike also two years in. Will look forward to your 3 year review. Also - would be interested if you could compare to others in your videos, such as your new Pangale. While obviously they are very different bikes, am interested in your perspective comparing as I consider other bikes as well. I believe other viewers likewise would appreciate. Again - thanks for posting such excellent quality reviews.
+Sean Kantorow Thanks Sean, appreciate the positive comments and glad you concur with my assessment of the splendid GS.....and as you say my other bikes are very different machines, so not quite sure how the comparison would run but I'll have a think about it and add it to the list...stay tuned!
+TheMissendenFlyer Hey Mate! Happy New Year! Interesting question from Sean. When I open the garage door it's the Double Bl**dy R every time, mainly because it's so good in traffic - much better than a GS (see Von Grumble's vids for proof)... Unless the weather's shite, or I've been issued with a LONG shopping list and then, of course, it's the trusty, old-man's GS. Next time you're heading for Yarksheer, give me a shout and I'll buy you a coffee at Squires.
+Buzz Shiteyear Yes on the garage door test my eyes are only for the Panigale, but if I could only have one bike then the GS wins hands down! Cheers and Happy New Year to you too! - TMF
If only allowed ONE bike: R1200RS... That offer of a coffee is still open!
Smiled at your comments about the perceived image.... So true! And completely unjustified in my opinion. Amazing what jealousy will do as it's an amazing bike.
I enjoy all your vids- articulate and unbiased... Keep up the good work!
Thank you Scott - very kind of you to say so....appreciated. All the best - TMF
They call it old man's bike because no young chap in his 20's can usually aford one... its as simple as that. Same as 'old age crisis car' 'look at this guy driving Mustang he must be having mifdle age crisis of his late 40's. Fecking true... what guy in his 20's can usually aford brand new sportscar. ... GS got its name but it doesnt desetve it
Perfect for pillion no vibration through pegs comfy seat nice grab handles if needed we have done 500+ mile days with no problems hope this helps
+Tony Wheeler Thanks for that....sure does...
Excellent video. Just about to buy my first GS from Barnstormer in Alton so just what i wanted to hear. Was blown away with the quality on my test ride.
Yeah they are fabulous machines overall - I got mine from Bahnstormer in Maidenhead, great bunch of chaps there, very helpful and friendly. Enjoy!
Another great video thanks! Mine will be two years old end of Feb. 45 000 Kms on it so far no problems at all to report. All services done myself from day one , no shims required on second valve check at 40 K either. Did a nice ride last year at the MOA in Billings and that is why I highly recommend taking the GS to the US , we were a group of 3 ,two other older1200 GSA's and myself. Going up the mountain in Wyoming in a National Park up to 10 000 ft it was a Stelvio like experience and I was nearly scraping foot pegs on the way up , ( Anakee 3's ) panniers and all ,and at the very top we went off - road through some pretty rough stuff to look at some Native American monuments, what an incredibly versatile machine, best bike ever, a keeper. Regards from Calgary..
+zubtf .....wow sounds like a great trip - very nice having the Rockies on your doorstep too I would imagine. A big road trip into the US is definitely on the card for me - but it's 5 years out (a retirement adventure!). Glad to hear you're still loving the bike after all those miles, I agree, the GS is a super versatile long term keeper. All the best and thanks for stopping by - TMF
Hi TMF. Gave the GS a good test this morning with a 100+ miles ride in poor weather including strong winds. The bike just took everything that was thrown at it and remained solid as a rock. New MRA screen performed well on all roads, particularly impressed on the A1 at speed; I have the spoiler extended to its tallest position and that works for me. Being 6' 2" I've fitted a high seat and may have to fit bar risers to maintain good ergonomics. Overall, I'm very impressed with the mighty GS, works better for me than the 2014 RT did. Hope you're well and getting out and about. Cheers for now, Andy
Hi Andy, glad to hear you're getting on well with the GS, it's not by chance it's so popular is it. If I could only have one bike it would definitely be the GS. Roll on summer eh? All the best - TMF
Great review, very precise and concise, no endless repeats, and very factual and straight to the point.
+Dion Beukes Thank you Dion - and thanks for stopping by - TMF
Thanks for the review. Just got the triple black. Awesome bike!
+João Silva Oo lovely, congratulations and enjoy!
I don't own a GS (i have the XR) but still i watched the whole video. Your videos are some of the most informative and useful videos out there. Keep up the great work and ride safe!
+Renji Mathews That's very kind of you to say so Renji - thanks very much. How are you getting on with the XR??
+TheMissendenFlyer I'm loving the XR except for those vibrations around 5K rpm. I solved it to a certain extent by putting on some heavier bar ends from HVMP. It's still there, but much less than earlier. I just love the incredible power and handling of the XR. I added the Navigator V after I saw your review ;) Got my eye on a GS now, perhaps next year!
+Renji Mathews One of each maybe ;0)
+TheMissendenFlyer Of course one of each. wouldnt give away the XR!
A year ago, I saw your one-year review of the R1200GS and it certainly influenced my decision to buy one. As a fellow GS rider, I think your comments then and now are spot-on. This bike is a versatile, well-engineered machine that's capable of doing many things well. I commuted, toured and even attended a track day on it. It reminds me of the 8" chef's knife in my kitchen. Its unique look isn't for everyone. Personally, I find it masculine. Curiously, people here associate riding a BMW GS with stranger things than the folks in the UK. Not "Ewan and McGregor wannabe", but "refuse to grow up" and "single and rich". Regardless of that, I am having a great time on this bike and I hope to keep riding it for a long time. And by the way, I bought the Navigator V partly because of your stellar review, too.
+James L Great stuff James, I'm so glad my review turned out to be true for you too! Interesting that you think the bike says "young and rich" as here they are very much "old mans" bikes!! Whatever the image, I love mine and wouldn't be without it - if I could only have one machine, that would be the one. Thanks for watching and stopping by, appreciate your kind comments - all the best - TMF
I wish it meant that! Unfortunately it actually translates to "This man is probably middle-aged and unable to get married. That's why he has enough spare cash to blow on an expensive man-toy like a BMW GS." It's seen as an "old man's bike" here just like everywhere else. However, GS riders are getting younger these days. I was 31 when I got mine. In any case, enjoy your ride and stay safe!
+James L ...aha! Yes, I misread your original comment - wishful thinking on my part!! :0)
If it wasn't for the running costs of these toys, I'd definitely own a 3rd and 4th bike by now, but I already run a car, van, boat and 2 motorcycles, oh plus a wife and 2 sons, lol. Great review TMF, merry xmas to you and the family. regards, Paul.
+Slowrider Paul Hey mate, if you think these things are expensive you should try aeroplanes....(and daughters!!)
New owner of 2015 GS in the states. Enjoyed your reviews pre and post purchase. Thanks!!! Get riding man :)
+Jim Magel Cheers Jim, enjoy your new ride, awesome machine - you made a good choice! ...and yes, that I intend to do (in fact I haven't stopped, I just don't film everything I do on the bikes....). All the best - TMF
Thanks for the effort and honest professionalism you put into your videos, you speak my language. I'm very seriously considering buying one of these (From BMW Maidenhead also) sometime in the next couple of months and your reviews are a great and very appreciated help. You live very near me which mean your reviews are done in a practically identical riding environment to mine, hence my avid interest. The other contender for me is new soon to be released Triumph Tiger Explorer 1200, I have a very interested eye on one of those also! I currently ride a 2015 Daytona R (which I'm keeping) every day but with all my winter gear on it's a bit cramped and it isn't up to the job of long journeys. Keep up the great work!
PS Nice Cheeky Panigale you have there ;)
+Adie Kitachi Thanks Adie - I'm a Triumph fan (hence my Street Triple) but I think the GS is the better bike than the Tiger Explorer 1200 - although that's just my opinion of course, the answer is to test ride them both. The guys at Hertfordshire Triumph are very accommodating (up in Hemel) as are the Bahnstormer boys...thanks for the kind words, let me know which way you eventually go? Cheers - TMF.
I rode a GS from Maidenhead to Henley (nice route) today and I loved it! Amazingly agile for its size and with plenty of power of tap! I'll let you know which I choose :)
+Adie Kitachi Told you they were good - I know you'll make the right choice ;0)
hi there,
great video as usual. I just wanted to point out one thing though. I know your videos are viewed by people all over the world and it would appear there are regional differences in the price of BMW servicing. my GS Adventure is due for its 6000 mile service and I was quoted £180 including vat and all materials from my local BMW dealership (this also included the brake fluid change) . Obviously the prices are higher in your neck of the woods. I live in the north east. just thought this was worth a mention as the prices you quoted may give people in other regions an innacurate idea of the running costs!
+stuart fillingham Hi Stuart, thanks for the kind words and good point - it does of course depend on where you have your servicing done. Now my machine is out of warranty I'm less inclined to go to my local BMW dealer and fully expect servicing costs to come way down using my favourite independent engineer. Cheers for stopping by and here's to a great riding Summer ahead eh?
+TheMissendenFlyer your welcome! and keep up the good work. hoping to lean more towards review videos this year and have learned a lot from you!
Stuart and TMF, I am a proud T120 owner and watch both your channels religiously. I am mid 20's and would love a big GS, not phased by the old bloke image haha. Thanks for all the work you both put into your videos, keem them coming! Queensland, Australia.
TMF it must take forever replying to all the comments! A great review as always and bike looking pristine. Mine is up for 2 years old in Feb (18,000 miles on the clock) dont know if I should sell / keep it. Quite like the look of the Triple Black. Have a great Xmas and hope we get some dry days over the festive period for a "Run Out". I feel for those poor folk up in Cumbria ! Steve, Bristol
+Steve Williams Thanks Steve - Replying to comments is all part of the fun, plus I get to learn loads. If you sell what will you replace her with?? That black does look good but for me I'm not sure it's worth the depreciation hit after 2 years!!! Fingers crossed on the weather - all the best and Merry Christmas - TMF
Hi TMF. Ah yes - the review I’ve been waiting for! Very comprehensive indeed. Like me you’re clearly meticulous :)
If you’re interested in a few comparisons: my fuel consumption is around 4.9L/100km, if my calculations are correct slightly better than yours. That’s no surprise since I do far more open road riding. I already have 9,000km on the clock after just four months. Annual insurance for just the Beemer is around £385, but your service costs appear to be substantially higher. I’m expecting to pay around £115 for the upcoming 10k service at the dealer. As I mentioned once before, here the Navigator V would set you back around £425 at the dealer.
The powers that be here feel we shouldn’t have options, so all we get is the GS with most of those extras you mentioned fitted as standard, which probably amounts to your TE model minus one or two bits. My GSA was sold as a ‘full spec’ machine and came with everything except shift assist and keyless ride. My favourite feature hands down is cruise control - an absolute lifesaver when travelling cross-country on our long dead straight roads.
Either way, thanks for the review. And best wishes for Christmas! Cheers, Andy.
+Andrew Harvey Hi Andy - I have a couple of earlier reviews of the GS too if you check out my channel and are interested - thanks for the words of encouragement. Sounds like all round you get a better deal than we do!! Have a great Christmas - TMF
You should change to white lights in your garage. That way the colors in your bikes (specially the Ducati) will really shine.
I really enjoy your videos btw.
Thanks for the review. In Australia we don't have any image issues with the GS. Another accessory is the GS tank bag (small) which is a very handy piece for storage for camera, phone etc: plus waterproof. Doing a trip around Tasmania soon which really looking forward to putting the GS through its paces. Total return trip from Brisbane around 5,000km's. Keep up the good work with these reviews. Cheers
+Grant Devine One of these you mean Grant :0) >> th-cam.com/video/K71262dFlSc/w-d-xo.html Thanks for the kind words, and Happy New Year!
Pretty similar to my 3 years of 13 & 15 GS ownership. I often look to change bikes, even take a test ride and invariably compare it to the GS I rode in on and then ride away on the GS, it is just an amazing machine that is hard to replace.
+Peter Connolly Have you tried an RT out of interest Peter???
Great video , I'm hopefully going to get one come the spring and this reinforces my belief that I'm getting a decent bike , I've enjoyed your videos this year and look forward to next year particularly now you have the Panigale ! In the meantime have a great Christmas !
+Adrian Rigby Thanks Adrian, you won't regret getting a GS, they are just brilliant bikes. Thanks for the kind words and have a happy Christmas yourself, all the best - TMF
Like you I am very impressed with the R1200GSW. Picked mine up May 10, 2014 and now have 25,450 miles. The original Anakee III tires were replaced at 13,500 miles with Conti Trail Attack II. The GS has replaced my car as a daily driver, rain or shine. Love the electronics and the different riding modes. I installed the BMW crash bars for head protection; Touratech radiator guards; Wunderlich offset bar risers for a little more comfort and no adjustment on the clutch and brake lines. No doubt, I would buy this bike again.
+Scot Pleski Yes me too...glad you concur with my findings. Strange how BMW fit different OEM tyres, mine came with the Conti Trail Attacks fitted from the factory - I've been impressed with their longevity. Thanks for watching and for stopping by, all the best - TMF
Wonderful review! Just purchased a 2016 with just under 3,000 miles.
Nice one!
very nice review, I have the previous model and I'm so happy with it. Look forward to have one of these some times soon
Yes they are great machines, I reckon you'll get a good deal on one of these in a few months as BMW release details of the heavily revised new model for 2017....
I went to Bahnstormer for an Akrapovic fitted to the new RT. Fitted free, 20% discount on exhaust and posted stock exhaust back to me. Everyone in the dealership came to talk to me. Best personable service at any BMW dealers I've been to. Bit far for me but enjoyed the visit.
+gadgetsandwheels Yes, you're always made to feel welcome and valued there....something one or two other dealers could learn from!
Nice review. Love my 2008 R1200GS. I've been thinking of changing it for sometime but can never work out what for, so I just keep running it. 60,000+kms and still goes oh so well.
+Motorcycle Mumbling ...no point in changing for the sake of it, if you like what you have, stick with it! Thanks for the kind words and for stopping by - all the best - TMF
Oh yeah and another great video, I have seen most of yours over the years, well done mate.
+Peter Connolly Thank you for sticking with me!! ;0)
Professional as ever. You mentioned the image problem, and highlighted some of the common gripes. I know the GS would suit me perfectly, I had the 1150 version, but; and here it is, BM's are not built to the level of days yore. Component failure is common, and that bevel box bearing will fail. I don't trust the media hype surrounding BMW/KTM's, and by judging the respective forum comments, neither do the buying public. You obviously look after yours, but have you seen the condition of a lot of nearly new GS's at dealers- definately not premium quality. Keep up the good work. Jeff Birchall
Thanks for the video TMF, very informative. Looking forward to taking delivery of my GS in January, will try to keep it looking as immaculate as yours. Merry Christmas to you and look forward to more riding and features in 2016.
+Andrew Tofts Cheers Andy, you'll love the GS - exciting times waiting for delivery eh? Happy Christmas to you too....stay tuned!
Excellent video and review. Just got the first 1000 miles out of the way on my GS. Out of interest , who do you use as an independent for serving? My previous bike (2005 RT) was looked after by Motoscot in Luton who I would highly recommend. When this bikes out of warranty I'll be looking to go back. My only concern is the degree of reliance on technology such a software updates which independents may not have access to.
Will you be taking out BMW's extended warranty package now it's over 2 years old?
+Mike Sturgess No I wont extend the warranty, in general I'm anti-insurance.... For my local servicing I use Nigel Ellis at Mototune in Chesham, he's a great guy and knows his stuff, charges reasonable prices too...recommended if you're local....
When I hear about the prices of the accessories, for motorcycles in general, just screams of ripoff. £300+ for a top box? It's a plastic box that costs a few quid to make in China..
Tell me about it!
2nd hand is our friend I saw top box and 2 sides for £440
how tall are you M/flyer, i'm 5'7 and seriously thinking of a 2014 gs but a bit concerned with the hieght. i know they come in a lowered version but can't seem to find one to try???
I'm 5'8" and use the lowered seat (standard suspension) - No issues at all, pretty much flat footed both sides....enjoy!
Very informative yet again. Thanks for the tip about the steering damper! Not sure if to go new or second hand in the spring. Keep 'em coming! Kind regards, Jon.
Thanks JLO staff, good to hear from you again.....whichever way you go you will love the GS it's a brilliant do it all bit of kit.....all the best - TMF
Great video. Good videography and excellent information. Would you suggest a 1200gs for a new rider or do you think an F800 will be more suitable and allow for easier growing of skills? I notice that you have the lower saddle installed. Do you find it easy to manoeuvre in general since it is quite a tall bike nevertheless.
Thanks John - well like so many things "it depends"...but in general I would say start smaller/lighter and work up to it - maybe a 2nd hand F800GS for 6 months or so to consolidate your craft??
Thank you for answering . Funny thing is that i thought that the gs was easier to handle than the f800 (both standard seat height, 29.5" inseam for me) but I am a bit wary of those moments that due to inexperience some wobbling may take place. And of course there is the huge question on what will allow me to grow my riding skills, and that is why I asked. :) Thanks! PS I liked your comment about designing bikes for dutch people..LOL..European adventure bikes are definitely too high..
Great Review - You briefly mentioned cleaning the difficulty with cleaning, your bike looks brand new! Any chance you could do a video about how you clean it?
+Paul Seddon Thanks Paul - I've had a few requests for that so it's on the list! Cheers - TMF
So much information. So useful and fun to watch as always!
+Seger Giesbers Thanks Seger...appreciate the kind words....
Currently driving a r1200rt also considered as an old mans bike!! Maybe it's because at 20k plus it's too much money for the younger generation ( I'm 43 btw). Personally I think they're fantastic bikes. Thank for another great video and merry Christmas!!!
+sean barry Yeah let's go with that Sean, probably a jealousy thing! Thanks for the kind comments and Happy Christmas to you and yours too.....
Great video as always Flyer. Any chance of a video about Diy cleaning, what you us and any tips / trsacks you have learned?
+BigA I agree - it could be an interesting video, and what better time of year? Any chance TMF?
+BigA Not a bad idea BigA - I'll add it to my "pending" list! Cheers...
Nice review. Enjoy your videos. BTW, where did you get the lower seat? and how much lower is it than the standard seat in the lower position? Thanks again for your vids.
Hi Matthew, glad you like the videos, I got the seat from my local BMW dealer but you can probably order online too (they are a standard part). I can't remember exactly the height difference, it's a few centimetres, the cut outs are deeper too so your legs can get straighter - does make all the difference. Cheers - TMF
Great vid, interesting to see how it's been. I've just had a new switch gear on my 4 month old GSA. Hoping that's all for now.
Thanks Buck - so that switch gear concern I have is a real issue then?
+TheMissendenFlyer unfortunately yes and very common. The recovery chap said to me if he had a pound for every one that had switch problems... And I thought German technology was good. Gulp!
is there any vibration in the handlebars when riding? your input would be mich apreciated, before i spend the big money.thanks.
+tachdriver1 No vibration at all, certainly not an issue on this particular bike - go for it!
Great update - I'd have loved to have gotten your thoughts (given the benefits of 20/20 hindsight of course) on the high value farkles....any regrets on the Arrow? Happy with the sat-nav still now that smartphones are taking over more and more? How about the driving lights? And the Touratech headguards....same price as the crash bars..wow
+Timothy Rawson Hi Tim - to answer your specific questions....the Arrow has gone (too loud on long journeys!), a smartphone can never beat the integration with the bike the Nav 5 has (although do make for better satnavs!), the driving lights are still a brilliant aid to conspicuity
I’m looking at a 2014 gs adventure, it’s got 37000 miles on her, and it’s up for £8,800 with BMW panniers. I’m very tempted.
Nice. Thanks for the video. Are you getting 55 mpg for a US or English Gallon?
+Krish Mohan Thats an English gallon Krish....
great review! didn't want that to end. I would ask though..I took one of these out and found comfort mode jiggly over very pattery surfaces. does the suspension soften up over time from new or is it just me?
+Yar D Blah Thanks for the kind words, glad you enjoyed the video - I don't have a "comfort" mode (I have Wet, Road, Dyna, Enduro and Enduro Pro)....I've not noticed the suspension soften up over time - do you have the suspension loading set for single rider only (you can preset it for rider + pillion, rider with bags, etc, etc)....???
Your best vid yet, and that's saying a lot.
Trying to figure out why I'm only getting about 47 mpg on my GS. It has 5100 miles so will be going to the shop for service soon. I don't ride it hard but almost have the luggage on for all the stuff it takes to be me so maybe that's it. Anyway keep up the great work.
+Gregory Beckner Thanks Greg...in truth my MPG does vary depending on what I'm doing, my 55 may have been optimistic - I think that was as indicated on the bike so may not tally with reality...I'll pay better attention and report back. Thanks for stopping by, all the best - TMF
Beautiful bike and great review. 👍🏽
+CLUTCH1ST Thanks Clutch1st and thanks for subscribing - great to have you along!
Just stumbled across this clip, and may I say it's a educational step by step talk through that answers all and more questions I had regarding purchase, up keep cost, and reliability. Not only that I got individual parts cost which is excellent. So this is were I go and spend my hard end cash on a bike that hopefully looks like this one. Only one question Steve , is there a reason why you haven't put a complete engine crash unit on (crash cage) ? Thanks Tony
+anthony mcdougall Hi Tony - thanks for your kind words, glad you enjoyed my efforts! I have added cylinder head guards and engine crash bars but held off the crash bars for the top of the bike only because I didn't like the look of them (and felt - maybe incorrectly - the engine is the most vulnerable part on these bikes). Not only that but I've clearly already spent too much on this machine :0) Good luck on finding your new bike, they are fabulous bits of kit - all the best - TMF.
£18,433.18 equals $27,328.55 here in the US. Nice review and an excellent touring bike. Looking forward to 3rd year review.
That makes the cost sound even more scary Rob! Thanks for your kind words, all the best from Blighty......TMF
Your usual quality review - well done!
Thanks Bob, glad you liked it and thanks for stopping by to say so....all the best - TMF
Another interesting video TMF, thanks for sharing it.
All the very best for 2016.
Cheers
+antonoat You're welcome, glad you enjoyed it and thanks for stopping by to say so....all the best - TMF
Great review Mate! Thanks!
+Sal Balakrishnan You're very welcome, the three year review will be coming up soon!
Excellent! Looking forward to it! Cheers!
Try out the K60 tires next time. The only bad thing about them I can find is the front tire is noisy. One thing is for sure, with tires like that nobody is gonna think you are an old goldwinger or harley man. They do great on the tarmac and better on gravel. I haven't been in mud yet, but just look at them. They are directional tread like mudder tires. :)
Great review and I agree with all your stuff. I had to raise the handlebars and lower the pegs to improve riding position and reduce knee and shoulder pain on extended rides. Mine had about 6500 miles, and the only things so far needed are a bulb and tires. The stock rear tire got me stuck on a muddy back road. I thought I was going to have to walk out. There was probably 2500 miles left on them, but they had to go.
+Mustang Guy Thanks for the kind words Mustang Guy and cheers for stopping by - all the best - TMF
John from across the pond. Just put the BMW charger on my GS today, nice piece of kit. My wife likes your choice of wine on your workbench. Have a Merry Christmas.
Hi John, wow, well done on getting your wife to watch a video like this one! .....I know from my stats that my views are only 5% from women.....story of my life really!!
Thanks for the great reviews! I have had a 2008 model since new and it is virtually not burning any oil at 110K km. I had a test ride of a water cooled one and it was extremely twitchy and responsive in comparison, so much that when I pulled into traffic back on my old bike and opened the throttle I thought I had stalled it! Cruise control would be great, and would have paid for itself in fines avoided. But it is such a reliable bike, I would hate to get a new one and find it's a lemon. Hard for someone in your position to advise me I know, but do you think the improvements make it worth while getting a new one? Matt
+Matt Edwards Well I never rode the air cooled version so can't talk from my own experience. All the reviews in the biking press seem to indicate the the liquid cooled version is s huge improvement though so I would say yes they are, but I guess it comes down to how much money you wish to burn on the exercise, and as you say, if you're happy with what you have why change?? Sorry I'm not much help....all the best - TMF
Hey Dad, I recognize the image problem. I am 32 and after 11 years sportbikes I now own a 2015 gs. I love it! (Your video's also helped me making the choice for a GS)
You could have a chance to make a video of how you do the big cleaning and with what resources?
Keep making videos!
Regards, Roger (NL)
+R-E-S Thanks Roger - a few people have asked that, I don't want to teach anyone how to suck eggs but maybe I'll add that to my list of pending videos! Thanks for stopping by, Happy Christmas - TMF
Great review, throughly enjoyed it. I think the accessories are well worth it and frankly can't think of a more capable bike than the GS.
I've only ever ridden a 650, for about 4000 miles I suppose? Do you recommend me getting one? I'm 6'2" and 'bout 240 lbs.
Thanks Roen, appreciate the kind words and yes, I thoroughly recommend the bike - especially for a 6 footer...
Fantastic review THF! shocking servicing costs though! On the cleaning front would the use of a airline air duster not help? Drying it out etc
That's what I'm planning on using👍
+Gsman Thanks GSman - I have a hot air bike dryer that works a treat for getting in all the nooks and crannies....still a right faff though as you blow moisture from one nook to another cranny!......thanks for the kind words, glad you liked the review, all the best - TMF
Hi TMF I'm not sure if I can ask on here but where did you get your multi bike insurance?
I've had to pay £338 with no, no claims discount as its used on the RT, also whats the bike dryer?
apologies if your not allowed to ask!
+Gsman ....I'm with Hastings Direct but they'll only insure 2 of my 4 bikes on one policy, so I have to have 2 "multibike" policies - I couldn't recommend them, very hard to do business with....the bike dryer is like an uber powerful hairdryer that's used to dry the bike after a wash, get's into all the difficult to reach areas (they're quite expensive but well worth the money)....cheers - TMF
+TheMissendenFlyer cheers, I did try Hastings but they said they would only go up to 20k combined value! I will look at the bike dryer, also just fyi
another difference between 2013 and 2014 GS is they put a larger fly wheel on the 2014 to make it smoother!
+Gsman ....I thought they only put the new flywheel on the 2014 GSA not the "standard" machine??
+TheMissendenFlyer Hi yes apparently the larger fly wheel was put on the 2014 bikes!
+Edward Mitchell Lucky me then :0)
Great review ! I still love my GS. I was robbed on the first break in service also but what can you do... Did the valve specs check out ? Were shims required ? Planning a BIG trip next July ! BMW MOA national rally in upstate NY, then off to ride the BRP & back west through the states. Hopefully ride the Beartooth again through beautiful Montana & home to Calgary. Can't wait...excited already ! All the best to you in 2016 ! 🏁
+Cadbury Lover Cheers CL and good to hear from you again - Luckily my valves checked out OK, no shimming required......you getting ripped off too makes me feel better :0) Sound like a great trip you have lined up there, very envious! Enjoy and Happy New Year to you too.....cheers - TMF
Have an identical GS.Same Colour.Agreed it a lovely bike.Old man image,well I am an old man! Never found that I get less nods from other bikers.I nod to anyone,scooters,mopeds,learners.Who cares what they ride!If they don't want to nod back, hey!! Probably, surprised that a rider of a big bike nods at them in the first place.Old guys on classics are usually the worst.I won't mention a certain person on a Vincent!!! Well perhaps I will.Gave him a wave in the petrol station.Looked at me like something the Cat dragged in! Then he couldn't Kick start it.I thought well! Your the owner of a Classic Vincent,you won't need my help.But the GS! If it wasn't for the on/off throttle at slow speed it would be the best bike I have ever owned.
He he like it Don, the GS isn't perfect for sure, but I still think over all mine is the best bike I've ever owned...
Great and honest review as usual. As a fellow GS owner I can relate to the strange attitude from some other bikers, not all. Will your foreign trip take you to the BMW Festival at Garmisch? You should be a VIP guest of BMW! I hope to make the trip in 2016.
+Rob Gutteridge Hi Rob - thanks for your kind words, if I'm heading abroad then I'm heading South in search of sunshine! Have a great biking 2016......TMF
Hi TMF, hope you're well. Have taken delivery of the GS today and spent a bit of time familiarising myself with it in the garage this evening. Having a little difficulty understanding the BC Custom display settings; the Operator's Manual is a little vague as it was for the RT (which was actually misleading). In particular I want to display the speed digitally as the clocks are a bit small, a criticism I've read in every review! Do you have any tips? Cheers, Andy
+Andrew Tofts ....I haven't customised my display (a I tend to use the giant display on the Nav V for speed) so I'm afraid I can't really offer any advice....maybe a run out to the dealer is in order (mine initially set mine up)....good luck and have fun on the bike! All the best - TMF
+TheMissendenFlyer Thanks TMF, I forgot you have the Nav 5; I have a Garmin 660LM which while fits into the bracket and connects to the electrics, cannot offer any displays. As you suggest, a ride out to a BMW dealer would be the answer. Am impressed with the locking device for the Sat Nav as it fell out of the RT twice on me while on the move; luckily I was able to catch it on both occasions! Cheers, Andy
+Andrew Tofts ...yes the Nav V is expensive, but for giving you decent displays on the GS it's a real boon! (I know you don't want to hear that!!!)...good luck with getting your bike set up.....TMF
Hi Mr. TMF a very good and useful review indeed!...well done Sir...keep up the great work and stay upright :-)
+John Maglis Thank you John, glad you found it of use and thanks for the kind comments - all the best - TMF
very interesting video. out of curiosity what insurance company are you with and would you recommend them?
+diff22000 Cheers diff22000 - I'm with Hastings Direct and there is no way I could recommend them, they always cock things up - this time around they lost my no claims bonus and I had to prove to them I had 3 years (even though I've been with them for 4 and never made a claim), they add random stuff onto the premium without asking, they mess up the policy documents, they take forever to answer the phone, they won't insure all my bikes on one policy, I could go on and on...as soon as I can get shot of them I will! You can tell, I'm not impressed with them....
Your top box, panniers and auxiliary lights cost more than my bike, and my bike has been to Switzerland and back!
so.. whats your point? then let's all go buy a bicycle because it can take me places too?
You have a fantastic bike there! I have a 2009 BMW F650GS, lovely bike, been riding it for about 1.5 seasons now, had a bit of an accident with it, started repairing it myself. Quite costly!
+WhoWantsToKnow81 Sorry to hear about your accident - hope you didn't get injured?
TheMissendenFlyer
Didn't have a scratch one me, I would say it was a miracle! Went too fast in a curve, panicked, didn't look where I wanted to go so I fell off the bike. Had to replace the handle bar, foot peg, and the left button assembly.
+WhoWantsToKnow81 Few, scary.....one out of the luck bucket and into the experience bucket......
Hi TMF, you reviewed R1200RS recently tell me please so if you were to buy BMW bike again and choose between GS and RS which one would you go for?
Would you consider RS while you don't do any offroad... Lots of safe miles mate!
+Vstm Hi again Vstm, good to hear from you - I would go for the GS purely because of the looks - not that I love the GS but the RS is sooo ugly to my eyes. The RS is lovely to ride and very quick, but I would open the garage and feel a bit queasy looking at it there....silly I know.
+TheMissendenFlyer Cheers for reply mate. Let me ask again :) if we put the looks aside, how would you rate these two bikes? Merry Christmas!
+Vstm Looks aside I'd take the RS - has all the good bits of the GS plus a bit more speed - I'd wait for an update though to see if BMW get rid of the handle bar vibration at certain revs, that would get on my nerves....
Time flies when you're enjoying yourself!
Doesn't it just!
Morning mate,
I've got a bit of garage envy here, so clean and immaculate! Perhaps a quick vid on that?
Morning Tris, funnily enough you're not the first to mention that.....glad you approve, not entirely sure there's a video in it, or if there is, it would be a very short one!! All the best and thanks for watching and stopping by......
Yes, I can imagine it would be difficult to make a video on the garage and keep it interesting... Maybe a brief supplementary at the end of another vid...
+Tris Desnos yes maybe that might work.....I'll ponder it! ;0)
Greetings from South Africa. Great review of the bike, can't believe how much you guys are paying in the UK for stuff! I do a lot of touring with Charley Boorman over here......Keep well
Hey SA adventure! Good to hear from you, don't tell me all this stuff is much cheaper in South Africa too?? It seems we Brits are being ripped off a bit....I hope you are enjoying the Summer, have a great Christmas down there! TMF
Also, no one mentioned your garage! Looks like a nice set up. I aspire to that.
+Robert Fales Thanks Robert - every chap needs a decent man cave!
Reading all the posts on forums regarding corrosion ,do you have any thoughts ?
+Alan Edward ....only that I feel for those that have had an issue, luckily for me so far, no sign (but then mine is cleaned regularly, has always been ACF 50'd, gets dried with a bike dryer and lives in a garage + rarely gets ridden in rain)....thanks for watching and for stopping by - TMF
Nice review. Question for you (cause I wondered the same thing) looks like you never took it off road, they why not buy a more 'road' oriented bike from BMW? since all your riding is on tarmac (paved roads).
I prefer the look of the GS over the other models...
The 1250 gs review:
The verdict:
Bigger motor making more power and torque than a R1200 GS,
significantly smoother.
It is stronger down low, has it got more midrange and ofcourse the top end is what impresses me the most.
But it sure is creamier than the 1200,didn’t expect that.
Again the engine is mechanically quieter, less lumpy arguably.
The combustion strokes are more masked than before, you can’t feel the engine on idle throttle.
Quieter exhaust note than the 1200 - deeper growl.
BMW’s Shiftcam is entirely undetectable in use.No surging, no change in engine note.
Same Telelever front end, same Paralever shaft drive, same frame, tank, seat, and same semi-active suspension option
The 1250 doesn’t feel any heavier than the 1200 while its 5kg heavier in specs than the 1200.
Offroad -the smoother low-down performance will make the GS more manageable
The 1250’s brakes are as per the 1200 despite the caliper change on the front end.
No change in its riding position-wide black bars which is a very, very good thing.
I’d say the 1250 is fitter than a 1200 GS off the bottom end less noticeably so in the midrange at part throttle, but significantly more powerful wide open at the top end... so, fitter everywhere.
Sad to say that outstanding BMW service standard is not everywhere for everyone. I purchased RT sometime ago here in Eire and they loved me as long as I kept cash in my hand, when bike started breaking down suddenly there was noone to return my phonecall. It all depends on particular dealer/people...
+Vstm I'm sure that is probably the case sadly Vstm, sorry to hear of your bad experience - you should name and shame them!
Nice video and a lovely motorcycle. I've heard they can reach 100k miles without major troubles (naturally, when cared for and maintained well).
+Mikolaj1406 Thanks - and I don't doubt it, the engine rarely gets stressed....
When he mentioned the total price, I reached for another double whisky....
Have you had any clutch/throttle issues?
Nope - none....
Its called a Old Man's Bike , because it takes yourself that long to save the Ride away price money . With the Low seat option , how high is the seat ? Nice video .
You may be right!!! I'm not sure off the top of my head on the height - you loose about 20mm IIRC - pretty sure the BMW website has the details if it's important?? Thanks for watching and for the kind words - all the best - TMF
A while ago i watched your tutorial on the Navigator V, you mentioned a point on lean angles, how do i find that?
Look forward to more of your videos, what have you planned?
...I was wrong about lean angles Derek, although you can get an app for your phone if you're desperate for that info! Loads more videos in the can and planned, my schedule is full up until October currently! Stay tuned....
There is something not entirely clear to me. seems like UK is adopting the metric system to some degree. Why are you still measuring speed in miles, but defining weight in kilograms ? :) (no offense, just curious ) Enjoyed the review btw Im also on 2014 GS, but grey
Just an anomaly - we tend to use both metric and imperial in a mixed up fashion - I use feet and inches as well as Metres and centimetres, etc...either works here.
As always, another wonderful review. I live in California and I don’t think BMW has the same “old man” image that you mentioned is common in the UK. I am asked about how often I take it off-road or travel across the US on it. I absolutely adore my R 1200 GS and it is by far the best motorcycle I have ever owned.
+Terry Blanchard Thanks Terry - p'raps I should ship her over in a container and do an East-West Coast trip.....now there's an idea....
+TheMissendenFlyer If you ever seriously consider this, let me know. I'd be all over that!
+Terry Blanchard It's definitely on the bucket list and loosely planned for 3 years time......but I suspect I will be renting a Harley (got to for that one really).......
+TheMissendenFlyer We shipped 2 x 1200GS from Oz to USA last September (for the whole month) and did 9500km up the coast into Canada and back. Two others in the group were on Harleys.... all I can say is *take your GS*. Harley's cant go around corners ;-)
+Colin Richardson I couldn't agree more!
Hi mate, if I'd known you were having a ride over Holme moss you could have called in for a brew, only a few miles away. My first service was only £160. Had same problem with sat nav barrel lock & had new front brake fluid reservoir cap but all under warranty. Planning Scotland with wife & friends for next year. Thanks for vids & have a great Christmas. PS. Think I can spot a GoPro under the tree lol.
+k4rloGSer Lucky you!! Thanks for your kind words, I'm feeling ripped off for that service now, was that £160 at a BMW dealer???
+TheMissendenFlyer just checked bank statement to make sure I wasn't giving you duff info. 1st annual service was £136.61 that was at rainbow BMW dealership Rotherham. So yes think you need to shop around mate. I put my first TH-cam vid on a few months ago. Wales trip with mates. It's only stills but worth a look. Will upload more when I get hold of the GoPro. Cheers, Karl.
Can you remove the valve cover without taking off the SWM crash bars for valve inspection?
+Charlie I don't know, I've not tried it, I suspect not....
+TheMissendenFlyer This is one thing I look out for on crash bars...could be added cost to remove them during your 12k service.
Regarding your disappointment with price. I would also like to reduce the damages if possible.
I wish you would do a comparison In the feel and complexities from a base GS to one with Dynamic ESA (like yours). There is a scant amount of Information online. I feel you would do an excellent job at explaining and demonstrating the difference for those of us who have a lesser than impressive budget. Please explore & investigate for us if possible/based on your resources, if one could own a base GS and if there could be money saved without regret. Thank-you in advance for even the slightest effort. Very few own a newer Base boxer twin, however because of the lower price, the Base model is so much more accessible to the majority of us! This would also reduce the amount spent in possible maintenance.
+Justin Goodger Unfortunately Justin I don't have a way of doing that comparison as non ESA bikes are very rare here - sorry!
Just watched this and the follow-on videos included one from "shadetree surgeon" (related to his new-found desire for a GS), which is very much on-point regarding negative opinions of the GS. Personally I think BMW bikes have always been deceptively efficient and well-executed; and for years simply under the radar of most bikers. Now they're a whole different ball of wax. Love the look of the GS as much as the 1000RR. Your cylinder protectors if anything make the bike even more classy, at least to my eyes. Perhaps it's my eyesight! Any interest in a classic bike? Number five? Might crowd the garage somewhat though! Later TMF...
...yeah I'd love a classic bike, in fact I've been to a museum full of 'em today....the subject of a video "coming soon"....thanks for stopping by - all the best - TMF
You mentioned something about ACS 50 cleaning? What is that? Great videos BTW! Been watching them for hours!
+Les Garten ACF50 - watch this one, you'll learn all you need to know ;0) >> th-cam.com/video/6viSTMBnL_M/w-d-xo.html
+TheMissendenFlyer Thanx Bud!
TMF....merry xmas
Just a quick post re switches on the GS and GSA, after a 2500 elm ride a month or so ago I too noticed both the kill switch and the cruise control switches were playing up, took my bike (R1200 GSA LC )into my local dealer a couple of days before xmas and apparently there was a recall on them and so the dealer replaced both switches free of charge.... happy days. So if you still have problems it might be a plan to get them replaced as when I cut the engine in a fairly remote location I could't get the bike to start as the kill switch was locked, (sprayed some water into it, actually it was carbonated water which I shook to get a bit of extra pressure) seemed to work but used the ignition after that :-)
All the best for the new year.
Blackhawk
+Black Hawk Hi again Black Hawk - how interesting, I never heard about that recall! If that is the case and mine do play up (I don't have serious issues, just once in a while I notice the one switch doesn't quite return to where it should) at least I may be able to get them swapped without having to pay! Cheers for that intel and Happy New Year to you too....TMF
Great review and agree. I've just had mine for 1 year now and have done 25,000 km - lots of tar and lots of dirt. My only regret is not getting the factory lowered option (too impatient). Only failures have been 1 battery and the start switch, both fixed under warranty. Too many extras fitted and I'm not going to add up the cost :-( Bottom line: Fabulous bike to go anywhere.
Cheers as ever Colin, and yes, best not do the sums......
Bevel box-It's the big bearing(rear wheel end) of the shaft drive unit.
+jeff birchall Aha! Thanks for that Jeff.
You haven't mentioned anything about that dynamic gear change assist bit you added. How does it work, does it work and how long does it take to get used to????. Making a right old pigs gear of mine on a 2017 GS 1200 model. I know to use slightly higher reves, but I keep backing off to go up, the bike doesn't like me or tryies to break my toes, and I grag throttle to shift down, that doesn't always go very well either. Please Please give us a tutorial on how to make it work smoothly. Rest is brilliant.
Make sure the engine is under load for up shifts and no load for down shifts - avoid using it for low gears (1st and 2nd) until it loosens up....
really interesting video, I'm on the look out for one of these,.after watching this video and giving the costs, I'm hoping to get one already specked up.thanks for the info great video infact all your video,s are good to watch
+bob taylor Thanks Bob - glad to be of help and I appreciate the very kind feedback! Good luck with your search....let me know how you get on - TMF
It is the same as Baron's? I think he has the 1200, but it might be the 650.... Either way, must be real torquey. How tall would you need to be to ride this? Very expensive..
+Storm I think BvG has the GSA (the "Adventure" version - slightly bigger fuel tank, different styling up front and aluminium pannier scaffolding at the back). I'm only 5'8 ish and I have no problems riding her, there is a factory low suspension option too if you need a really low one.....
+TheMissendenFlyer right. Either way it sure seems like a lot of fun to ride ;)
+Storm Yes, they are brilliant bikes.....
+Storm Doesn't his come with spoked wheels too?
Mikolaj1406 Erm, Possibly, I'd have to check lol ;p