Have had great experiences with HTC. Very nice gear and good people. The first time I dealt with them, they stayed well after business hours on a Friday to get me set up with a holster I needed badly for training the next day. They didn't know me, I was just some random guy in need and they stuck around, were extremely nice and pretty much just hung out with me as I tried stuff on and chatted. Didn't rush me, push me, or try to up-sell me past what they knew I wanted/needed. When you treat every customer like that, you're going to go far. I've since bought another holster from them, and it is equally excellent. Would recommend them highly.
Was a good system a year ago for $450 just a cyo holster with double mag is $505 now fully as shown in this video almost 1k.. What a joke! No belt system is worth 1k unless it comes with a hooker and lifetime ammo..
I have several Glock holsters from them for over 6 years, now have worn them for CCW and range use. They have held up extremely well and still look fairly new after all this time. Such a shame they closed down recently. Great gear for sure.
The HSGI belt is nice to throw under the bed. You can have every thing you need for the bump in the night scenario and works with any amount of clothing you may or may not be wearing. But yes it does ride up under extraneous activity.
Andy Funk Find almost silly as you are comparing a military application to a civilian one. So the war belt was designed for solider fighting in body armour with no need to conceal anything vs a belt design for well civilian concealed carry to some degree.
IDK why it took so long for vendors to figure this out. I started wearing the Safariland buckleless system in the mid 70's. No keepers to lose, EZ off/on. Your equipment stays where you want it and know where it will be when you need it. Great Rig you reviewed today. Glad to see it. Thanks
Safariland has been making the buckless belt system for 20+ years originally for The LAPD. It uses a velcro inner pile belt with a 2 1/4” duty belt with velcro loops. It is indeed great that other manufactures are following suit.
pretty impressive rig for anyone working as a military contractor or even for police officers who are undercover. was actually really surprised how well it's concealable.
That cracked me up when you demonstrated the conceal ability of your old war belt. I didn't see that coming and it was funny as hell. Great info and demo on a great product. Thamks
Excellent demo, thanks. Here is an easy fix for war/battle belts that have no underbelt of velcro to lock them in position. I took my cheapo Condor belt, sewed a strip of 1.5" loop velcro to the inside where it rides over my belt loops. Then I sewed the hook velcro strip to a webbing belt the same width, which I wear like a pants belt. Now I have the expensive, stay-put belt, for less.
Thorough review. So many products out their and its all personal preference. I went with the Viking Tactical Skirmish belt. T - Rex arms Raganrok holster system, ITW rifle and pistol Fast mags, HSI dump pouch, BFG IFAK kit and I'm into it around $ 550.00 range. Nothing is inexpensive. You get what you pay for. Again all personal preference. United We Stand.
whether you agree with the price or the effectiveness of the gun belt is irrelevant! He is well-spoken, clear and concise! I personally feel there were many merits to this system, but I agree the price is the pitfall ! however, I thought he did an outstanding presentation and proved himself to be quite proficient with the handgun! These guys are out to present options to us...... some of us may be able to improve upon these from a personal standpoint in regards to price, proficiency or both? I personally love this video and thought they did an outstanding job.... not ready to replace my personal rig with $1,000 job, but it gives you something to think about. keep those videos coming, I for one will continue to watch them.
I will say the HSGI rig, being that it is thicker and puts things further out from your body, it much better allows for the use of a chest rig in conjunction with it, because now my magazines are not sitting directly under more magazines. It also allows for use of dump pouches. I think the HTC rig is better suited for well, concealment. I think they are two different belts for different purposes.
I have to agree highly with the content of this video. I have had access to HTC products for a year now, and I dream of owning my own some day. The quality is reflected in the price. Even for Girthy folks like myself, it is still low profile. I run the HSGI system Tim has in this video and I like it a lot. The HTC setup just has a few featues that have my interest.
Great info! Thanks for keeping us up to date on all the latest Good Gear! I didn't think it possible to get a war belt system with all that gear in such a low profile. Thanks Again!
Have been running one for 3 years at work with the leather fronted belt (both black and brown) Carry all the gear I need under my sport coat. Items are easily removed or added as needed.
Same here i have extra spot to hang my binocular when both hands are full. Not a good idea when you shoot lefty hip shots them brass casings are hooooot.
I'm on my 2nd low pro belt. I love them! My only issue is when I'm wearing body armor it's hard to get to things but that's the nature of it fitting so close to the body I guess. It's going to be put thru its paces soon at Valor Ridge
Great product, not really priced for average civilians though. But, I guess it wasn't made for average civilians either. I appreciate all the time and effort put into it and it seems to be very user friendly and well built, but most people will never buy this because $500 is way too much for a mini rig.
coolnames TV Quick note: the rig and price Tim mentions DOES NOT include a belt. But with the discount code in the description, you basically get a free belt.
The price is fair. Gabe Saurez (who I don't really like) made a good point in one of his little articles. He said you got 2 camps. Guys that believe that fight is driven by and the outcome of which is decided by gear. The other camp believes that said fight is dictated by training. In reality it has to be a synergistic compilation of the two. He said two dudes going at it that have the same skill level, one with a shitty gun, the other with a good gun, the guy with the good gun wins. He compared it to the old argument between dudes that were into martial arts and guys that were into combat with the modern firearm. He said they would ague all day long about which was more important or offered more utility to the learner but in reality one was no more or less important than the other. In reality you have to have both. If you're training your in the business of the lowering probabilities, the probability that you will get killed in your next confrontation. That being said good training and good kit both work to lower that probability (as nothing can eliminate the possibility that you will lose/get killed). The logic offered by load mouth arrogant Gabe is hard to argue with.
This system looks interesting. I've had the BIG Superman belts and just like he said, they will ride up to your ribs when you bend over. If you find yourself in an armored vehicle or even sitting in a chair with those belts, you get hung up on things, your mags get pulled out, etc.
Thanks Oliver I'm gonna do that this year going to tactical response and a Travis Haley course I asked the question cause I have heard people talk about how easy either one was to pick up by the eye. I do thank you again bro
I'm not into those rigs since I'm just a civilian....with that said....I would definitely buy that rig. It looks like a.nice solid option. Even to just go to the range since I can just strap that on and off with my AR and pistol mags.
$700 LOL! I can get a custom built to order BDS carrier, MICH helmet, AR500 plates and any pouches and holsters on the market for that much and have a far superior loadout that can actually save my life. This industry is full of gimmicks and IMO this is a great example of one.
There's alternatives to everything of course and if you don't think it's worth that much or not as valuable to you then don't buy it it's all supply and demand if there selling them at that price then to them it works
Rusty Shackleford Same here, I have a load out from G Code including a holster, operator belt and enough mags for a complete load out for my carrier and ive spent under $400.
Rusty Shackleford Same here, I have a load out from G Code including a holster, operator belt and enough mags for a complete load out for my carrier and ive spent under $400.
I've never spent more than a couple hundred bucks on a system, maybe that's why I'm still looking. I am very interested in this system, and impressed with it's conceal-ability. Great vid as usual, and that was some sweet guns too.
I just read through a good chunk of the comments. And no one mentions that this belt is pretty much a rip off of Safarilands ELS belt. It is different in the way it mounts. But the inner and outer belts connected with velcro is spot on.
If my duty belt bouncing around bothers me, i use keepers to lock them to my regular belt or you can even use those velcro zip ties that keeps power cords nice and organized behind desk. You can buy a roll at harbor freight for 5 bucks and have plenty of leftover.
I understand it's a concealment rig but can you do a follow up vid where you put on a plate carrier/chest rig and show if it can be used effectively with those platforms.
MadJustin7 It really depends on the carrier you're using. If the carrier sits low or is bulky on the sides like traditional overt carriers there may be issues with draw stroke. The Scarab from Velocity Systems seems to work well as do most other low vis carriers out there.
Awesome!! Something else I need to start saving for. I will have to order it for my Sig 1911 Tacops and then talk to them about getting a holster for a CZ P09. Thanks for the review.
Thanks for another great video Tim. You're one of the (very) few on TH-cam who covers a lot of information from a knowledgeable perspective and can do it in a timely and focused manner. I like this rig a lot, but I guess I have different tastes in firearms than HTC. For my rifles, no options for AK or HK magazines, and for handguns, no options for CZ holsters.
Wow, what an awesome system....after wearing the standard leather black basket weave with leather snap "keepers" for 27 years, as a duty belt, I certainly can see the advantages of this belt. Cool gear brother, thanks for sharing the info!~~John
WORROO1.... Same here. But I had the Safariland inner velcro belt and my duty belt had the velcro on the underside just like the one he is showing. I loved that rig. Never needed keepers again. I had the Safariland level 3 holster for Glock mod 22. Double mag pouch and two cuff cases. Heck It wasn't anywhere near $450.00. The holster was the most expensive part. I think it was right at $100.00 back then. I wore that system for 25 years until I retired two years ago.
While I'm sure a lot of guys will like this, I carry a lot of gear on my vest and having it that close into my body would not work well for me. Now, don't take that as a dis, it's not intended to be one. If you like and it works for you then use it and enjoy it.
Sure beats the idea of belt keepers. Excellent idea to get that med-kit (IFAK) out quickly. Wish I had one of those while contracting. Hated looking ridiculous as my blazer puffed out around the ass area. Great demo!
Thanks so much for the review Tim. Very intriguing and definitely something to consider. I would like to say first off thanks to High Threat Concealment for actually listing my own current primary carry already (Walther PPQ M2) as very few places actually include it. I too am also interested in FNX .45 Tactical with RMR compatibility as looking at that as a definite open carry option down the road.
High Threat Concealment Thanks for replying and I'll save that email. Also realized this is an interesting combo of the double competition belt with tactical application.
Nice rig had to wear a duty belt for a lot of years as a cop. We had keepers to hold the outer belt to a issue inner belt. We didn't have a choice as far as a holster but the rest we had library to use what we liked.
Very useful video! I have a cheap war belt and at first it was revolutionary for me! But when I combine it with a plate carrier or chest rig and start moving around and rolling and tumbling whatever in rough terrain it just sucks....works great for urban stuff where I'm going to spend more time on my feet vs proned out or sitting though. Price is a bit high for me but definitely book marking this for the future.
Nice review! I like that you finally show some more footage of what you are shooting at. In general I miss that from most of video. Other than that keep up the great work!
If you want a high speed low drag system it’s going to cost. This goes for any extreme sport as well. Nice rig and appears to be worth the money if you’re looking for this specific type of rig.
libertyshooter Well said... you don't want cheap quality when doing the operations this gear is designed for. I'm seeing a lot of people getting upset over the amount of gear and the price... it isn't for EDC. If you need this for EDC you may want to reconsider where you live... just a thought! Ha! Thanks for the support!
My EDC belt/holster/mag carrier system is just a bit more concealable, however it is also far less comprehensive and it starting to run close to the same price. This seems to be a great 2 1/2-3 season system for my area of the country.
Very good review. Had me mostly convince this was something I should put on my list of eventual. Then I went to the site. No holster for the Walther P99. No mag pouches for the AK-47 mags. And way to in love with the Glock.
PelenTan We do make Holsters for the Walther P99. If you dont see it on the website, please feel free to contact customerservice@highthreatconcealment.com. We offer many more Holsters than we can put on the website. Currently, we are working on the "magic" AK-47 mags. Just to many styles out there to capture the 'one size fits all" holder. We are hoping that this year will will have an answer for the many variations of the Ak-47 Mag Holder! I understand the "in love with the Glock" thing, as that statement is valid. Currently, the highest demand for holsters, especially with Government Customers, is the Glock. This is followed closely by SIg. But please remember that we offer numerous styles and variations for many pistol manufactures. If you dont see it on the website, contact us through email, and I am sure that we can assist. RJ
I know it's not a war belt but I think I will be getting a pig chest rig. It's already set up for I believe 8 m4 mags and 6 pistol mags. Plus it's molle compatible. Also has admin pouches and a couple of utility pouches.
TacticalTigerBalm I have tried that idea.. But after a while you just have a lot of guns and no way to effectively "run and gun" unless you use your jean pockets. Just my 2cents. But a new gun or gun part is always nice :)
Not a range rig so not intended for guys like use who want to but money into another gun. It's for private security contractors who need to carry concealed or some what concealed.
If the price can get down to $400 done, I would buy it. It really looks like a great rig. HTC if you could see pictures as you build it I think you would sell more rigs. It would ensure confidence in someone that it is exactly setup the way they want before they shell out $550 dollars.
I have always found the belt sliding around to be an issue. Not sure how I feel about that much Velcro running around the belt like that but it seems highly functional. Suspenders are only so good! Good review thanks.
Awesome setup. Went to order the same tan setup he had on. didn't even get done ordering was over $600 LOL Everything has a big up charge even tan WTF? I got this same setup double AR mag pouch and double pistol pouch and Pistol holster in TAN with out blow out pouch instead got a smaller lower profile pouch for Israeli bandage and tape and gauze. So got full setup at scorpiustactical under $200 with a couple extra pouches too and got the same TAN belt at DSGarms $89 so under $300 total. Awesome low pro rig! without breaking the Bank LOL
So basically we (shooters and armed pros) went from a Sam Brown style belt, to "war belts" and now back to a revised Sam Brown type belt? I guess maybe I am not seeing where a kit like this is worlds better than something Safariland or Bianchi may put out. Am I missing something? Great video by the way. Love the channel.
Its configured for rifle mags, if I'm at a point where I'm carrying a long gun, im not really worried about concealing my gear. Chest rigs with long guns
It appears that the war belt with an under belt is more applicable when wearing a plate carrier and this system is more for concealed body armor. Thanks for the video . Funny but everything seems to be coming back around to the traditional style Police rig I wear everyday , with updated kit of corse .
Damn that's a nice rig. I have the HSGI sure grip padded belt and I'll agree with you that it does move around a bit with running. This is why I hate (and love buying gear): a couple months down the road something twice as effective comes along and then you're stuck with what you have (if you're poor like me). Lol. This system would be great to have. Only problem I see is if you're wearing a plate carrier. It may big too tightly to your body that accessing items on your belt may be more difficult with a plate carrier on. Which is why I think standard "battle belts" would work better with a carrier; by sticking out further you're able to reach your gear better.
Dan31387 This particular rig is designed to be concealable or at least concealable as possible, if your wearing armor, it might not meet your operation anyways ;). Check out their site they have other options available iirc.
Dan31387 Like Oliver said, its designed to work primarily with concealable armor systems. It does work with some overt carriers but it will be dependent on the cut and bulk on the sides.
@Military Arms Channel In one of the comments below you said you would never wear a plate carrier as a civilian. I find that to be an incredible statement from you, to be honest. Given the option, I will wear a plate carrier over one of these belts any day of the week. It does not have to be a huge, bulky fully uparmored kit that has you rolling up looking like a one-man Assault unit, but a simple, lightweight carrier in a SHTF scenario is one of the first things I will be putting on before I go outside. You can conceal it easily enough with a large coat or darkness, as long as you are sensible in your loadout no one will be the wiser. I mean it is not like you HAVE to hang every gadget and pouch you own on your carrier. Any operator(at least all the ones I know) will tell you that it really should be used with as little equipment as possible for the scenario. I do like this belt, do not get me wrong. I actually like it a lot. But I am not willing to trade vital organ protection for a low profile duty belt, however awesome it may be. I love your content and your channel, but that statement kind of shocked me. Not that it changes my opinion of you or anything like that, I am just surprised. Care to expand on your choice? By the way, I know this is an old video, but you have a lot of content and I have not gotten to it all yet haha.
Love the idea of the underbelt with hook & loop.. Im gonna try and attach some to my existing battle belt and see if it helps to hang onto my soe belt which already has quite a bit of it.. great idea..
Your big jiggly gut helps keep the belt in place too. I guess the Velcro under-belt is more applicable for people that don't have a big 'ole gut to keep their "warbelt" in place.
My only complaint is the reliance upon the velcro under belt for stability and weight distribution. We all know after rolling around in the dirt, grass, mud, etc. that velcro gets clogged and loses its ability to hang onto itself. The price is a little steep for a stand alone unit that you wouldn't use with a plate carrier, but if one were to use it for standard classes and training, I guess it's not all that bad.
I've been on the edge of buying this rig for a year and a half..just couldnt convince myself to..yet. In the end I'm more of a couch-cowboy than a real-cowboy. I have a US GruntGear warbelt that has the velcro 'under-belt' so it stays put pretty well, but I've only been to two classes.. Sigh.. I dont train as much as I should to justify getting a $450 rig that will mostly sit in the closet. System is definitely worth the coin, no argument there, I'm just more a couch potato than hot potato these days. Not a bad choice for including in a SHTF bugout kit. Will suck to wear in a sports car with recaro seats tho.. Cobra buckle is great but I find it's best used off-center at 10 or 2'oclock. In the middle it digs uncomfortably into the beer gut, especially when you sit. great vid and timely..now it'll start me hemming and hawing about this all over again..I'm overdue to get to classes anyhow.
+Brandon Urbaniak It's not intended for use with a plate carrier. I would never run a plate carrier as a civilian. It's designed for low profile operations where you're trying to blend into your surroundings. If you're rolling all kitted up with armor, helmets, gloves, BDU's, etc. just wear a war belt, that's what it's designed for. This system works with thin soft armor worn under a shirt which goes with the low-pro intention of the system. This is my SHTF kit. I will explain in detail in an upcoming video.
Okay thank you. Well what I like about it, is how tight it is compared to other belts. That is what caught my curiosity. Thank you can't wait to see the follow up.
Wow, that rig looks amazing. I was literally just about to order the HSG system until I saw this. Honestly, $450 for what you get is not bad at all. I try not to put a price on gear that could potentially save my life. Great review and much thanks.
I usually agree with you but not this time. My HSGI padded war belt, with cobra buckle/belt, two double decker tacos, two pistol tacos, drop bag, and med kit were only 350. Not to mention I can run multiple guns with it and the belt itself helps with lumbar support. And... suspender ready. I agree that it is much wider, but that is not always a con, when used with my body armor it out far enough it does not get hung up on the thick carrier/armor. It just has much more versatility and use for me. But again thats me and opinions differ. Good video regardless.
Codidicus You must use gear for its intended purpose. As I point out in this video, this gear is intended for low profile work. It was designed by a contractor who sought to find a way to carry all his necessary gear security in a way that allowed him and his teammates to cover up with light clothing. HSGI makes killer gear, however it doesn't fit this role. I too like the HSGI kit which is why I bought the system you see in this video. Taco's are outstanding and putting lowpro Taco's on this gear would double the useful factor IMHO.
Thanks for making this video Tim! Where was this stuff, before I retired, when I was a full time plain clothes cop? While I can see guys having sticker shock on the price for the complete rig, if you carry on a daily basis, and have to rely on your equipment to protect yourself and others, then you understand quality is worth the price. You wouldn't put $5 magazines in your $700 defensive pistol, nor no-name range reloads in it either. I strongly urge HTC to come up with an adapter plate that will allow uniform officers to attach the Safariland duty holsters to it.
Larry Sherwood We already did on the adapter plate. I'm a reserve police officer and our department has a requirement for retention, so naturally we wanted to carry our own gear, and that was the logical solution until we develop our own retention system.
What is amusing.. The first thing I notice in this video... Tim has put a towel on his hood so it doesn't get scratched like the old one did with his SCAR hehehe.
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Have had great experiences with HTC. Very nice gear and good people. The first time I dealt with them, they stayed well after business hours on a Friday to get me set up with a holster I needed badly for training the next day. They didn't know me, I was just some random guy in need and they stuck around, were extremely nice and pretty much just hung out with me as I tried stuff on and chatted. Didn't rush me, push me, or try to up-sell me past what they knew I wanted/needed. When you treat every customer like that, you're going to go far. I've since bought another holster from them, and it is equally excellent. Would recommend them highly.
bbroogs Thanks for the support!
Was a good system a year ago for $450 just a cyo holster with double mag is $505 now fully as shown in this video almost 1k.. What a joke! No belt system is worth 1k unless it comes with a hooker and lifetime ammo..
Totally agree
Fuck that price-point!
They had to pay for that ridiculous action movie ad
1K is freaking laughable for this!
Agreed !!
I've spent the last 2 weeks watching war belt video trying to figure out how I wanted to set up my belt and you guys have answered 90% of my problems
Donte Hill Don't forget our 15% off code we set up as a thanks for MAC viewers. MAC15 is the code.
I have several Glock holsters from them for over 6 years, now have worn them for CCW and range use. They have held up extremely well and still look fairly new after all this time. Such a shame they closed down recently. Great gear for sure.
The HSGI belt is nice to throw under the bed. You can have every thing you need for the bump in the night scenario and works with any amount of clothing you may or may not be wearing. But yes it does ride up under extraneous activity.
That jacket comparison at 10:24 really nailed it, definitely see the value.
Andy Funk Find almost silly as you are comparing a military application to a civilian one. So the war belt was designed for solider fighting in body armour with no need to conceal anything vs a belt design for well civilian concealed carry to some degree.
IDK why it took so long for vendors to figure this out. I started wearing the Safariland buckleless system in the mid 70's. No keepers to lose, EZ off/on. Your equipment stays where you want it and know where it will be when you need it. Great Rig you reviewed today. Glad to see it. Thanks
This has easily become one of my favorite channels. No bullshit. No ego. Just good honest review and insight. Continue the great work brother.
Safariland has been making the buckless belt system for 20+ years originally for The LAPD. It uses a velcro inner pile belt with a 2 1/4” duty belt with velcro loops. It is indeed great that other manufactures are following suit.
pretty impressive rig for anyone working as a military contractor or even for police officers who are undercover. was actually really surprised how well it's concealable.
That cracked me up when you demonstrated the conceal ability of your old war belt. I didn't see that coming and it was funny as hell. Great info and demo on a great product.
Thamks
Excellent demo, thanks. Here is an easy fix for war/battle belts that have no underbelt of velcro to lock them in position. I took my cheapo Condor belt, sewed a strip of 1.5" loop velcro to the inside where it rides over my belt loops. Then I sewed the hook velcro strip to a webbing belt the same width, which I wear like a pants belt. Now I have the expensive, stay-put belt, for less.
Thorough review. So many products out their and its all personal preference. I went with the Viking Tactical Skirmish belt. T - Rex arms Raganrok holster system, ITW rifle and pistol Fast mags, HSI dump pouch, BFG IFAK kit and I'm into it around $ 550.00 range. Nothing is inexpensive. You get what you pay for. Again all personal preference. United We Stand.
Great review. Not a single word in excess of what was needed for a thorough review, and not one missing. Amazing.
whether you agree with the price or the effectiveness of the gun belt is irrelevant! He is well-spoken, clear and concise! I personally feel there were many merits to this system, but I agree the price is the pitfall ! however, I thought he did an outstanding presentation and proved himself to be quite proficient with the handgun! These guys are out to present options to us...... some of us may be able to improve upon these from a personal standpoint in regards to price, proficiency or both? I personally love this video and thought they did an outstanding job.... not ready to replace my personal rig with $1,000 job, but it gives you something to think about. keep those videos coming, I for one will continue to watch them.
I will say the HSGI rig, being that it is thicker and puts things further out from your body, it much better allows for the use of a chest rig in conjunction with it, because now my magazines are not sitting directly under more magazines. It also allows for use of dump pouches. I think the HTC rig is better suited for well, concealment. I think they are two different belts for different purposes.
Mitch Schutter You hit the nail on the head.
That is correct.
I have to agree highly with the content of this video. I have had access to HTC products for a year now, and I dream of owning my own some day. The quality is reflected in the price. Even for Girthy folks like myself, it is still low profile. I run the HSGI system Tim has in this video and I like it a lot. The HTC setup just has a few featues that have my interest.
I wear this daily while deployed OCONUS, it is a great rig. I plan to get this setup when I get home for daily carry.
The jacket concealment comparison was very illuminating.
Great info! Thanks for keeping us up to date on all the latest Good Gear! I didn't think it possible to get a war belt system with all that gear in such a low profile. Thanks Again!
Just got the system in black, PURE AWESOME....thanks for the video...
Have been running one for 3 years at work with the leather fronted belt (both black and brown) Carry all the gear I need under my sport coat. Items are easily removed or added as needed.
nice system, i like that you can grab and go without having to change pants or re feed everything onto your belt.
2:14, I do the same thing naked in front of the mirror when I'm home by myself.
IamCOLLEGE I don’t care if this comment is 4yrs old, you just made my night! 🤣
TLJ236 who hasn’t done a good jingle bell recently! lol
Same here i have extra spot to hang my binocular when both hands are full. Not a good idea when you shoot lefty hip shots them brass casings are hooooot.
I had read this JUST as he was doing it... thanks a lot!!! I have Coke all over my screen and keys to clean up now...
I'm on my 2nd low pro belt. I love them! My only issue is when I'm wearing body armor it's hard to get to things but that's the nature of it fitting so close to the body I guess. It's going to be put thru its paces soon at Valor Ridge
John Hayslett Email me and let's see if we can figure out something to help with the draw. joverton@highthreatconcealment.com
I haven't worn this system, but the velco under belt has been around for about 20 yrs in LE duty belts. it is a good system that does not move around.
Great product, not really priced for average civilians though. But, I guess it wasn't made for average civilians either. I appreciate all the time and effort put into it and it seems to be very user friendly and well built, but most people will never buy this because $500 is way too much for a mini rig.
Agree. Most of these guys do sponsored reviews, so money is not an issue.
Blue Alpha gear molle belt is a great option. Inner and outer belt for about $150 shipped and it has molle as well as velcro so the sky is the limit.
Showing the rig with your jacket on sealed the deal; adding it to the list! Thanks!
coolnames TV Quick note: the rig and price Tim mentions DOES NOT include a belt. But with the discount code in the description, you basically get a free belt.
The price is fair. Gabe Saurez (who I don't really like) made a good point in one of his little articles. He said you got 2 camps. Guys that believe that fight is driven by and the outcome of which is decided by gear. The other camp believes that said fight is dictated by training. In reality it has to be a synergistic compilation of the two. He said two dudes going at it that have the same skill level, one with a shitty gun, the other with a good gun, the guy with the good gun wins. He compared it to the old argument between dudes that were into martial arts and guys that were into combat with the modern firearm. He said they would ague all day long about which was more important or offered more utility to the learner but in reality one was no more or less important than the other. In reality you have to have both. If you're training your in the business of the lowering probabilities, the probability that you will get killed in your next confrontation. That being said good training and good kit both work to lower that probability (as nothing can eliminate the possibility that you will lose/get killed). The logic offered by load mouth arrogant Gabe is hard to argue with.
Admiring that sweet 80s style sound track in 2017.
That's why competition style belts use and under belt. It keeps the weight off of your hips, and it stays in place.
This system looks interesting. I've had the BIG Superman belts and just like he said, they will ride up to your ribs when you bend over. If you find yourself in an armored vehicle or even sitting in a chair with those belts, you get hung up on things, your mags get pulled out, etc.
Looks like a great piece of equipment and some impressive shooting/reloading, all that practice does make a difference.
Another great vid, sir. It's easy to stay tuned into your vids and not skip, which I do often.
sqweekyknee Thank you.
Thanks Oliver I'm gonna do that this year going to tactical response and a Travis Haley course I asked the question cause I have heard people talk about how easy either one was to pick up by the eye. I do thank you again bro
I'm not into those rigs since I'm just a civilian....with that said....I would definitely buy that rig. It looks like a.nice solid option. Even to just go to the range since I can just strap that on and off with my AR and pistol mags.
$700 LOL! I can get a custom built to order BDS carrier, MICH helmet, AR500 plates and any pouches and holsters on the market for that much and have a far superior loadout that can actually save my life. This industry is full of gimmicks and IMO this is a great example of one.
There's alternatives to everything of course and if you don't think it's worth that much or not as valuable to you then don't buy it it's all supply and demand if there selling them at that price then to them it works
Just make your own and copy the same concepts. Much cheaper and stronger.
Yep!
Rusty Shackleford Same here, I have a load out from G Code including a holster, operator belt and enough mags for a complete load out for my carrier and ive spent under $400.
Rusty Shackleford Same here, I have a load out from G Code including a holster, operator belt and enough mags for a complete load out for my carrier and ive spent under $400.
I've never spent more than a couple hundred bucks on a system, maybe that's why I'm still looking. I am very interested in this system, and impressed with it's conceal-ability. Great vid as usual, and that was some sweet guns too.
That's outstanding recoil control
Greta video Tim! Thanks for publishing it.
The contractor PSD crowd will fine this kit very useful for low pro or high pro.
That's really cool. I like the med kit deployment.
This is exactly what ive been shopping for! Your videos always come at a perfect time!
I'm watching you. ;)
I just read through a good chunk of the comments. And no one mentions that this belt is pretty much a rip off of Safarilands ELS belt. It is different in the way it mounts. But the inner and outer belts connected with velcro is spot on.
If my duty belt bouncing around bothers me, i use keepers to lock them to my regular belt or you can even use those velcro zip ties that keeps power cords nice and organized behind desk. You can buy a roll at harbor freight for 5 bucks and have plenty of leftover.
Man, I love that belt and set up.
Really pumped to see Reid's training class
I understand it's a concealment rig but can you do a follow up vid where you put on a plate carrier/chest rig and show if it can be used effectively with those platforms.
MadJustin7 It really depends on the carrier you're using. If the carrier sits low or is bulky on the sides like traditional overt carriers there may be issues with draw stroke. The Scarab from Velocity Systems seems to work well as do most other low vis carriers out there.
Awesome!! Something else I need to start saving for. I will have to order it for my Sig 1911 Tacops and then talk to them about getting a holster for a CZ P09. Thanks for the review.
Thanks for another great video Tim. You're one of the (very) few on TH-cam who covers a lot of information from a knowledgeable perspective and can do it in a timely and focused manner. I like this rig a lot, but I guess I have different tastes in firearms than HTC. For my rifles, no options for AK or HK magazines, and for handguns, no options for CZ holsters.
602x10tothe23 AK & HK mags are in the works. Email customerservice@highthreatconcealment.com and they'll be able to give you a time frame on those.
Wow, what an awesome system....after wearing the standard leather black basket weave with leather snap "keepers" for 27 years, as a duty belt, I certainly can see the advantages of this belt. Cool gear brother, thanks for sharing the info!~~John
WORROO1.... Same here. But I had the Safariland inner velcro belt and my duty belt had the velcro on the underside just like the one he is showing. I loved that rig. Never needed keepers again. I had the Safariland level 3 holster for Glock mod 22. Double mag pouch and two cuff cases. Heck It wasn't anywhere near $450.00. The holster was the most expensive part. I think it was right at $100.00 back then. I wore that system for 25 years until I retired two years ago.
While I'm sure a lot of guys will like this, I carry a lot of gear on my vest and having it that close into my body would not work well for me. Now, don't take that as a dis, it's not intended to be one. If you like and it works for you then use it and enjoy it.
Sure beats the idea of belt keepers. Excellent idea to get that med-kit (IFAK) out quickly. Wish I had one of those while contracting. Hated looking ridiculous as my blazer puffed out around the ass area. Great demo!
Thanks so much for the review Tim. Very intriguing and definitely something to consider. I would like to say first off thanks to High Threat Concealment for actually listing my own current primary carry already (Walther PPQ M2) as very few places actually include it. I too am also interested in FNX .45 Tactical with RMR compatibility as looking at that as a definite open carry option down the road.
Joshua Haderach We are working on the FNX .45 as we speak. Email customerservice@highthreatconcealment.com and they'll help you out.
High Threat Concealment Thanks for replying and I'll save that email. Also realized this is an interesting combo of the double competition belt with tactical application.
Nice rig had to wear a duty belt for a lot of years as a cop. We had keepers to hold the outer belt to a issue inner belt. We didn't have a choice as far as a holster but the rest we had library to use what we liked.
you have the best intro on youtube
Placed my order today. Thanks for the review and 15% off
Very useful video! I have a cheap war belt and at first it was revolutionary for me! But when I combine it with a plate carrier or chest rig and start moving around and rolling and tumbling whatever in rough terrain it just sucks....works great for urban stuff where I'm going to spend more time on my feet vs proned out or sitting though. Price is a bit high for me but definitely book marking this for the future.
Nice review! I like that you finally show some more footage of what you are shooting at. In general I miss that from most of video. Other than that keep up the great work!
If you want a high speed low drag system it’s going to cost. This goes for any extreme sport as well. Nice rig and appears to be worth the money if you’re looking for this specific type of rig.
libertyshooter Well said... you don't want cheap quality when doing the operations this gear is designed for. I'm seeing a lot of people getting upset over the amount of gear and the price... it isn't for EDC. If you need this for EDC you may want to reconsider where you live... just a thought! Ha! Thanks for the support!
I'm definitely interested in training reviews and recommendations. I wouldn't think you could go wrong with Reid. It'll be interesting.
My EDC belt/holster/mag carrier system is just a bit more concealable, however it is also far less comprehensive and it starting to run close to the same price. This seems to be a great 2 1/2-3 season system for my area of the country.
Very good review. Had me mostly convince this was something I should put on my list of eventual. Then I went to the site. No holster for the Walther P99. No mag pouches for the AK-47 mags. And way to in love with the Glock.
PelenTan We do make Holsters for the Walther P99. If you dont see it on the website, please feel free to contact customerservice@highthreatconcealment.com. We offer many more Holsters than we can put on the website.
Currently, we are working on the "magic" AK-47 mags. Just to many styles out there to capture the 'one size fits all" holder. We are hoping that this year will will have an answer for the many variations of the Ak-47 Mag Holder!
I understand the "in love with the Glock" thing, as that statement is valid. Currently, the highest demand for holsters, especially with Government Customers, is the Glock. This is followed closely by SIg. But please remember that we offer numerous styles and variations for many pistol manufactures. If you dont see it on the website, contact us through email, and I am sure that we can assist.
RJ
I know it's not a war belt but I think I will be getting a pig chest rig. It's already set up for I believe 8 m4 mags and 6 pistol mags. Plus it's molle compatible. Also has admin pouches and a couple of utility pouches.
I'm digging the rifle you bust out at 9:50 you look like a mustache twirling assassin with that thing. Now all you need is a mustache.
Awesome gear! And review. Price is just too high. I rather save that $400 for another firearm purchase.
TacticalTigerBalm I have tried that idea.. But after a while you just have a lot of guns and no way to effectively "run and gun" unless you use your jean pockets. Just my 2cents. But a new gun or gun part is always nice :)
TacticalTigerBalm Training and gear are more important than "another gun".. JM $.02
TacticalTigerBalm Don't forget our 15% off code we set up as a thanks for MAC viewers. MAC15 is the code.
+Wade Hughes leather belt double mag pouch for 20-30 bucks and a holster for 60-80....
Not a range rig so not intended for guys like use who want to but money into another gun. It's for private security contractors who need to carry concealed or some what concealed.
I like my Velocity Systems belt I've never had a problem with it riding up.
If the price can get down to $400 done, I would buy it. It really looks like a great rig. HTC if you could see pictures as you build it I think you would sell more rigs. It would ensure confidence in someone that it is exactly setup the way they want before they shell out $550 dollars.
I have always found the belt sliding around to be an issue. Not sure how I feel about that much Velcro running around the belt like that but it seems highly functional. Suspenders are only so good! Good review thanks.
Extremely good video. Valuable information. Keep 'em coming.
Awesome setup. Went to order the same tan setup he had on. didn't even get done ordering was over $600 LOL Everything has a big up charge even tan WTF? I got this same setup double AR mag pouch and double pistol pouch and Pistol holster in TAN with out blow out pouch instead got a smaller lower profile pouch for Israeli bandage and tape and gauze. So got full setup at scorpiustactical under $200 with a couple extra pouches too and got the same TAN belt at DSGarms $89 so under $300 total. Awesome low pro rig! without breaking the Bank LOL
So basically we (shooters and armed pros) went from a Sam Brown style belt, to "war belts" and now back to a revised Sam Brown type belt? I guess maybe I am not seeing where a kit like this is worlds better than something Safariland or Bianchi may put out. Am I missing something?
Great video by the way. Love the channel.
Its configured for rifle mags, if I'm at a point where I'm carrying a long gun, im not really worried about concealing my gear. Chest rigs with long guns
That system is smoking awesome. Thanks for the vid.
It appears that the war belt with an under belt is more applicable when wearing a plate carrier and this system is more for concealed body armor. Thanks for the video . Funny but everything seems to be coming back around to the traditional style Police rig I wear everyday , with updated kit of corse .
It looks really good as well.
Damn that's a nice rig. I have the HSGI sure grip padded belt and I'll agree with you that it does move around a bit with running. This is why I hate (and love buying gear): a couple months down the road something twice as effective comes along and then you're stuck with what you have (if you're poor like me). Lol.
This system would be great to have. Only problem I see is if you're wearing a plate carrier. It may big too tightly to your body that accessing items on your belt may be more difficult with a plate carrier on. Which is why I think standard "battle belts" would work better with a carrier; by sticking out further you're able to reach your gear better.
Dan31387 This particular rig is designed to be concealable or at least concealable as possible, if your wearing armor, it might not meet your operation anyways ;). Check out their site they have other options available iirc.
Dan31387 Like Oliver said, its designed to work primarily with concealable armor systems. It does work with some overt carriers but it will be dependent on the cut and bulk on the sides.
$450
lol ok.
Is this still your favorite battle belt with under belt system ?
tasmanian tiger has a war belt that can be worn with or without a velcro inner. i find it works great
@Military Arms Channel
In one of the comments below you said you would never wear a plate carrier as a civilian. I find that to be an incredible statement from you, to be honest. Given the option, I will wear a plate carrier over one of these belts any day of the week. It does not have to be a huge, bulky fully uparmored kit that has you rolling up looking like a one-man Assault unit, but a simple, lightweight carrier in a SHTF scenario is one of the first things I will be putting on before I go outside. You can conceal it easily enough with a large coat or darkness, as long as you are sensible in your loadout no one will be the wiser. I mean it is not like you HAVE to hang every gadget and pouch you own on your carrier. Any operator(at least all the ones I know) will tell you that it really should be used with as little equipment as possible for the scenario. I do like this belt, do not get me wrong. I actually like it a lot. But I am not willing to trade vital organ protection for a low profile duty belt, however awesome it may be. I love your content and your channel, but that statement kind of shocked me. Not that it changes my opinion of you or anything like that, I am just surprised. Care to expand on your choice? By the way, I know this is an old video, but you have a lot of content and I have not gotten to it all yet haha.
Love the idea of the underbelt with hook & loop.. Im gonna try and attach some to my existing battle belt and see if it helps to hang onto my soe belt which already has quite a bit of it.. great idea..
Looks useful. The price is rough but firearms training isn't cheap either.
Excellent review! It's been a while since I seen one that I was interested in from start to finish.
I just built this on their website in coyote tan. Total was actually $839 with his set up......WOW
Your big jiggly gut helps keep the belt in place too. I guess the Velcro under-belt is more applicable for people that don't have a big 'ole gut to keep their "warbelt" in place.
My only complaint is the reliance upon the velcro under belt for stability and weight distribution. We all know after rolling around in the dirt, grass, mud, etc. that velcro gets clogged and loses its ability to hang onto itself. The price is a little steep for a stand alone unit that you wouldn't use with a plate carrier, but if one were to use it for standard classes and training, I guess it's not all that bad.
I've been on the edge of buying this rig for a year and a half..just couldnt convince myself to..yet. In the end I'm more of a couch-cowboy than a real-cowboy.
I have a US GruntGear warbelt that has the velcro 'under-belt' so it stays put pretty well, but I've only been to two classes.. Sigh.. I dont train as much as I should to justify getting a $450 rig that will mostly sit in the closet.
System is definitely worth the coin, no argument there, I'm just more a couch potato than hot potato these days. Not a bad choice for including in a SHTF bugout kit. Will suck to wear in a sports car with recaro seats tho..
Cobra buckle is great but I find it's best used off-center at 10 or 2'oclock. In the middle it digs uncomfortably into the beer gut, especially when you sit.
great vid and timely..now it'll start me hemming and hawing about this all over again..I'm overdue to get to classes anyhow.
gurney85 Don't forget our 15% off code we set up as a thanks for MAC viewers. MAC15 is the code.
Have you tried this belt with a plate carrier? Does it get in the way for the draw of the pistol, or grabbing extra mags from the belt?
+Brandon Urbaniak It's not intended for use with a plate carrier. I would never run a plate carrier as a civilian. It's designed for low profile operations where you're trying to blend into your surroundings. If you're rolling all kitted up with armor, helmets, gloves, BDU's, etc. just wear a war belt, that's what it's designed for. This system works with thin soft armor worn under a shirt which goes with the low-pro intention of the system. This is my SHTF kit. I will explain in detail in an upcoming video.
Okay thank you. Well what I like about it, is how tight it is compared to other belts. That is what caught my curiosity. Thank you can't wait to see the follow up.
+Military Arms Channel looking forward to the upcoming video!
+Military Arms Channel Do you think this could be worn with a low viz vest such as the Beez BALCS LBAV or similar?
Brandon Urbaniak haha not to be used with a plate carrier .. or a slick
Wow, that rig looks amazing. I was literally just about to order the HSG system until I saw this. Honestly, $450 for what you get is not bad at all. I try not to put a price on gear that could potentially save my life. Great review and much thanks.
I usually agree with you but not this time. My HSGI padded war belt, with cobra buckle/belt, two double decker tacos, two pistol tacos, drop bag, and med kit were only 350. Not to mention I can run multiple guns with it and the belt itself helps with lumbar support. And... suspender ready. I agree that it is much wider, but that is not always a con, when used with my body armor it out far enough it does not get hung up on the thick carrier/armor. It just has much more versatility and use for me. But again thats me and opinions differ. Good video regardless.
Codidicus You must use gear for its intended purpose. As I point out in this video, this gear is intended for low profile work. It was designed by a contractor who sought to find a way to carry all his necessary gear security in a way that allowed him and his teammates to cover up with light clothing. HSGI makes killer gear, however it doesn't fit this role. I too like the HSGI kit which is why I bought the system you see in this video. Taco's are outstanding and putting lowpro Taco's on this gear would double the useful factor IMHO.
Military Arms Channel Good points, different gear for different purposes that I can agree with.
Yup, gotta have it.
Maybe if I win the Lottery.
Until then I can dream.
Thanks for the review.
Just get a Ronin Shuto belt or a Blue alpha gear. $140.
Thanks for making this video Tim! Where was this stuff, before I retired, when I was a full time plain clothes cop? While I can see guys having sticker shock on the price for the complete rig, if you carry on a daily basis, and have to rely on your equipment to protect yourself and others, then you understand quality is worth the price. You wouldn't put $5 magazines in your $700 defensive pistol, nor no-name range reloads in it either.
I strongly urge HTC to come up with an adapter plate that will allow uniform officers to attach the Safariland duty holsters to it.
Larry Sherwood We already did on the adapter plate. I'm a reserve police officer and our department has a requirement for retention, so naturally we wanted to carry our own gear, and that was the logical solution until we develop our own retention system.
Few feet of thread and some velcro you can do any belt to stick to another belt for few $$$$. Its basically whats your being sold for $1k.
What is amusing.. The first thing I notice in this video... Tim has put a towel on his hood so it doesn't get scratched like the old one did with his SCAR hehehe.
Wow... that looks like a sweet rig!
Hey, have you ever considered firing the Steyr M9 or L9 pistols? You might really like them, and I would love if you did a video on one.
I'll second that.
That Velcro probably makes it easy to take a piss
Well HSGI just announced something to directly compete with this, time to see how much the price compares.
If you have issues with battle belts riding up you may want to look at adding a Tactical Muffin Top© to your system.