This is pretty cool but don't let that distract you from that fact that In 1972, a crack commando unit was sent to prison by a military court for a crime they didn't commit. These men promptly escaped from a maximum security stockade to the Los Angeles underground. Today, still wanted by the government they survive as soldiers of fortune. If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them....maybe you can hire The A-Team.
As a German i'm very proud and think SSD definitely needs more Attention! Here in Germany we got the STG-44 as well by Sportsysteme Dietrich, those are fantastic Semi-Auto Versions and very popular among German Gun Owners but also sadly very very expensive! But Top notch Quality. I'm surprised they didn't sell well in the USA, they're insanely popular over here. Hope now that they moved a Production Facility to the USA, hope they get more Sales by the US now. Prost & Cheers from Berchtesgaden in the Bavarian Alps
My grandfather never said anything about his time between '40-'44, I was always sent outside when his friends came over for a talk. One day I was digging the soft soil under the neighbor restaurant's basement and found one with a "corner attachment". You should have seen his eyes sparkling, it was like blue lightning ! Today I'm 60 years old, living in Commiefornia and understand my grandfather and that painter was 100% right. 😉
@@laszlovandor4770 Haha! Thanks for sharing that incredible Story! My paternal Grandfather used a STG-44 issue in April 1944. He always tells me to go to and i quote "Texas or Arizona one day and shoot a full-auto STG-44, i'm sure the Americans will be happy to have you!". Definitely on my List to do! He is now 104 years old (turns 105 on 1st of September) he always jokes about how he had to go to War in 1939 on his Birthday for obvious Reasons. He was captured during the Battle of the Bulge by Americans serving with the 1st WSS Division "LAH" and then after the War became good Friends with a lot of Americans stationed around our Area in Germany. So as a Kid in the early 1990s we'd always have German WW2 Veterans and American WW2 Veterans over each Summer for BBQ and i loved listenting to them talk about the War in a respectful Manner, no Hostility whatsoever Prost & Cheers from Berchtesgaden in the Bavarian Alps
I live in Europe and I found the charging handle/piston of a MP44, some 8mm kurz and the remains of a leather sling in a creek that runs in my property...never found the rest of it
That tragedy that brought it up on y'all is awful but I as a Texan am pretty jealous of the history y'all can find in Europe and Germany. The stuff y'all find in random ponds in the woods magnet fishing blows my mind. One guy for ammo mp40's stg44's and a whole case of grenades then called the law🤦🏼♂️
You say the WWII German 7.92 Kurz is Corrosive primed. A little background, I am a military ammunition headstamp/caliber/type collector. Been at this since 1976. Massive collection. Much knowledge, still learning. Very few 7.92 Kurz were loaded with the brass type 88 corrosive primers as about 1940 they revamped their type 30 copper noncorrosive primer adopted in 1930 and made it acceptable as the new type 30/40 phosphate steel by the ground forces. The Airforce (Luftwaffe) still rejected it. As it didn't work well at high altitude cold temperatures. So, if you see a primer other than brass on WWII German 7.92x57, 7.9 Kurz or 9mm Luger it is Noncorrosive. No fault, as this is a long-time assumption that all WWII German ammo is corrosive primed. Also, on the rifle, a side-by-side comparison of the internals on this SSD the BATF accepted for production are about 15% different from an original's internals (they want hindrance in someone installing FA parts). Agreed it is still the closest you can get to an original thus far.
Great info nuggets - thank you! Also a random question about your collection.... Do you have any of the Zimbabwe made "Cheetah" 7.62x39mm? I recently found some Cheetah in a random ammo can I'd forgotten about.
That is great news - I hope PSA lost lots of money buying and pursuing the design! This is a reaallyyy nice rifle from DK. It will probably be my next purchase.
I have a MP44 full auto I bought many years ago. PPU is the only company that makes 7.92 x 33 ammo. Fortunately I bought several thousand rounds back then and thousands of 8mm bullets and brass cases. he problem I have now is most of the ranges will not let you shoot full auto weapons. Unless I'm with someone on private land, it just sits in the safe. Very cool gun. Mucho fun with the happy switch. They are ungodly expensive now.
Ill help the rifle if you need. I'll take it and make sure she's treated well for another generation! 😅 Jk, but that is neat. How did you go about finding and buying back in the day? Would you mind sharing what you got it for as well? I always find the prices really interesting
So what you are saying is that the German rounds that basically everyone forgot about, switching to rounds like 5.56, 7.62, 12.7, are still being made, like if need be, a military can get weapons and ammo like Germany in WW2?
Not necesarily better manufacturing, but definetely new. An 80 year old rifle is going to be VERY worn, specially the barrel, chamber and bolt.@@SmokeNGunsBBQ
Yeah it's amazing this company moved to the US and got production up and running, YET Hill and Mac Gunworks with PSA has been working 8 years on their STG-44 and not a single damn one has been seen
Mainly because SSD is copying the original off of the original TDP, so there is no engineering or R&D involved. What Hill and Mac took on was an ambitious plan to modernize and modularize the STG pattern.
@@sandwichartist5053 SSD produced these years ago already, so setting up shop here in the usa was much faster, R&D always has to be done, but they just did most of it a decade ago. Hill never finished R&D (not yet anyway), in part because of venture capital and a VERY small team. To keep costs low he utilized G3 parts which were plentiful. The cost of doing that means MORE R&D. PSA is keeping with that model. Using parts not originally designed to work together adds complications, and it makes me truly wonder if its worth saving the $100-$250 or whatnot to just stick closer to the original. Afterall, what happens when the G3 parts flow dries up? youll turn to PTR and pay their prices? I wonder if these parts can reliably work together at all. To get people excited, then languish for years is a hard PR hit to a company, esp a small operation. PSA can shrug it off, but after their Mp5 promise, and now the Stg.. we'll have to turn to brownells or just stick with psa's ARs
This is pretty exciting. Didn't even know this was in the works. However, $6200 is fucking insane. I understand economy of scale but still. Moving your manufacturing to the US is whack if you are only selling a handful per year.
Oldest trick in the book... We all know it's basic economic. "Supply and Demand". They are keeping the "Supply low". They know the "demands are high" so they make a few and charge whatever they want. They ALSO know that there will be those little boot licker fan boys who will back them up.
Just the WWII reenactor market could keep this guy in business for years. We routinely drop obnoxious amounts of money on original artifacts or high quality repros of things you just can't get. 6,200 isn't bad when you consider the originals are going for 50k+ when they're available which isn't often. The originals are also transferable machine guns, so there's a ton of paperwork and fees involved and they're not legal in several states. It might not be right away, but I will definitely be picking one of these up. The StG is way underrepresented in reenacting just because they're so hard to come by, the guys in my group will absolutely s*** themselves when they see this is coming on the market.
This StG44 release really feels like a piece of history coming back to life! I love how these classics are getting a new chance in today's world. Props to SSD for keeping the spirit alive! 💥✨
Now that the US Supreme Court has ruled that NEWLY MADE Machine Guns are protected under the Second Amendment, maybe they can make FULL AUTO CLONES of the StG 44!!!
I know of 2 original guns that blew up in the late 90's/ early 2000's from shooting original wartime ammo. The shells looked fine, but the powder had started to deteriorate, and corroded the steel case from the inside. The cases let loose, no one was hurt, but both the lower and upper were swollen and bad out of speck. Don't shoot the old steel ammo, and l would extend that warning to the postwar Czech ammo, as it's the same powder the Germans used, and it's 20yrs older now.
Agreed! The original WWII ammo and the post war you would have to pull every bullet and observe the powder and case internals for rust. Then reassemble. I know someone who did this and still had issues with case separation. No harm to the original receiver, but if you get a separation close to the head or head failure, then yes, I can see receiver bulging possible. Coating the rounds with Carnauba wax did help with removing the broken separated casings. But then it is possible you could be putting more pressure on the bolt when firing. The Germans did try briefly in 1940 with 7.92x57, waxing casing when they transitioned from copper plated steel casings to lacquered steel. The new lacquered steel was sticking in high cyclic rate weapons. The wax worked, but it picked up dust. Eventually in 1941 they redesigned the internals making it on the inside thinner at the top end and heavier at bottom therefore springier for extraction. Hence the St to St+ head markings. The biggest issue one is going to have with this old WWII German 7.92 Kurz, is pulling down a light bullet that is crimped well in a steel casing. Much effort even if you are going to just reload the projectiles with new powder in PPU casings. I have about 2,000 rounds left of loose WWII 7.92 Kurz that I paid some time ago $1 a round for and don't know what to do with it. Primers are nice as they are type 30/40 noncorrosive, but they are also worthless Berdan type primes if you can't use the casings. Very few 7.92 Kurz were loaded with the brass type 88 corrosive primer as about 1940 they revamped their type 30 noncorrosive primer adopted in 1930 and made it acceptable as the new type 30/40 by the ground forces. The Airforce (Luftwaffe) still rejected it. As it didn't work well at high altitude cold temperatures. Sorry I am so long winded.
@@vincentmueller3717 They also experimented with non-corrosive primers before and during WWI since the inception in 1888 of the type 88 brass primer. RWS noncorrosive type T 18 of 1908 wasn't accepted but they changed it a bit and standardize it for use in commercial ammunition in the mid 1920's branded as SINOXID. It is usually copper plated brass with impressed circle in center of primer. Nothing militarily was adopted until 1930, the type 30 copper plated brass noncorrosive primer. Adopted as the type 88 successor in 1937, it was withdrawn from usage in 1939 due to misfires in subzero weather and mainly used in Platzpatrone 33 wood bulleted blanks from then on. Type 30 can also be blackened copper. The type 30/40 steel primer also had variations. There was zinc plated, nickel-plated and colored lacquered versions. There was also a type 43 steel RWS noncorrosive primer that was short lived (type 30/40 with different composition). The 9mm Luger used the type 08 corrosive brass primer and the zinc coated steel type 08/40 noncorrosive primer starting in 1940.
My father had a vet bring-back stamped MP43 that he even participated in re-enactments with, Photos of that particular gun are likely in at least a few of the ww2 firearms/reference books of the early to mid 90's, as well as weapons demonstration videos on VHS. To this day kicks himself for selling it. Needless to say both of us want one of these... lol
I Akin the $6500 price to the $8500 Ohio Ordinance Works BAR. It's not meant to just be a good clone, it's as close to a 1:1 original recreation as possible, pretty much a designer item that's super expensive to produce because of how uncommon and unique it is. If you want an affordable and more usable STG44 clone, wait for the PSA version. Plus, I think we're getting close to a "historical firearms clone" Renaissance in the gun industry within the next few years, especially if the SBR and SBS rules of the NFA get ruled unconstitutional. Given that, and them getting more settled in the direct American market, prices may well drop.
This is one of the few firearms I would actually drop that kind of money on. It’s one of my favorite historical rifles and it just looks amazing too. I’m definitely going to buy the PSA replica when they come out assuming they are decent, but I’d strongly consider buying one of these.
@@SmokeNGunsBBQ the Frankenstein gun can be used and abused like any other tool, the other can be a collectors item that will retain its value. I’d like to have both.
That Kurz round looks like the case has a bigger diameter at the base. I figured the performance would be a lot closer than the size difference would lead you to believe.
I was able to buy a 22lr STG 44 for $300 in 2020, even though its like a bb gun, its heavy and feels so good. Magazines were hard to find until I imported a bunch and now I have extras 😂😂
Such an amazing firearm and one of my dream weapons to own. Unfortunately, being a DAV not working, it will be personal congrats for me and you have no idea how badly this hurts in my soul. I've wanted this since I was 14 learning about WW2 a history. You have an awesome life sir. Enjoy this weapon and take great care of her and show her off as often as you can. Been following you since the early days. You always have great vids. Congratulations on the new addition and the MP 38. DK Productions is working on the German copy of the British Sten as well. Germany made a fair copy during the war after capturing many British examples. DK also has a website that has a bunch of firearms from WW2 they are working on. Maybe I'll hit the lottery or something.😂😂
My dad's friend asked me to convert ( same base cartridges) to 7.92x33. Dad's friend had a set of reloading dies, and reamer. The friend was a machinist. The dies were only marked with 7.92x33. I did the conversion. Not a problem for me. P.S. I did keep all 308 Win brass. That's what I shoot. Thank You for video!
This company DK Production will also be making FG 42 8n two versions as im told. Early and late War production. They are making the MO 38 and MG 42 un semi auto i believe i read. Pretty awesome and amazing to have this done. If I could only save enough to afford my dream.
Happy to see SSD now starting on this stuff. Looks like they will be doing all kinds of German WW2 repros. And honestly, if Ohio ordnance works can sell out 6k+ BARs, this will do as well.
Hey Mac, did you hear about the truck load of Originals that showed up in the Syrian civil war a few years back? Probably 10 years ago at least now. There is a video of the Syrian Christians/maybe Kurds handing them out of a military truck to women fighters. Cool video if you can find it! They were breaking them out of wooden crates and they looked brand new. I was drooling at the thought of what that truck load was worth! I bet they didn’t have a lot of ammunition for them at the time.
The reason Hitler didn't approved the project was not that he didn't want an automatic rifle, was because he didn't want to ad another caliber to the military logistics. That's why the designation MP44 came up. To hide it in the official paper work. Then one day he was condecorating some troops and asked them what he can do for them, one responded more of those automatic rifles. He then asked what he was talking about and the army had to disclose the weapon to him. That's when Hitler himself came with the name Sturmgewer, Assault Rifle, for propaganda impact
No rifle was going to impact the fact that the Russians had 10,000 artillery guns per mile on the front and that no vehicle could move because either it had no fuel or an Allied aircraft would blow it off the earth.
You're completely wrong. Hitler didn't see the need for anything other than the bolt action rifle. He used it in WWI. It worked. End of story. No new rifle was required in his mind.
@@donwyoming1936 Not true, If that was the case, he would have opposed the FG42 for the Luftwaffe as well, or the G43 that was not automatic, but semi and more expensive than the Mauser.
@@edwinchandeck7231 Basically Hitler was sitting on hundreds of millions of full power 7.92mm and didnt want to have to start from scratch for a new rifle. The old stuff could have been repurposed, but he was already having weapon and ammo production issues. He was only persuaded later, by action reports that showed the 7.92 Kurz STG 44 as a Wunderwaffen.
Well, he was right, wasn’t he? It came too late to change the course of the war (if it even would have at the start). Their manufacturing and logistics capabilities were already stretched way too thin. He probably approved it for the morale boost it gave the troops.
Great video MAC! As a long, long, long time viewer, this ranks as one of your best videos right there with the NFA Nutkicker. I enjoyed every minute of it. Thank you!
You are the man. Never seen anybody spit out as much information as quickly as you can. He must’ve retired from the stock exchange floor. But still what an interesting presentation and a fine gun I’m glad to see it’s being reviewed .Not that it’s been resurrected but it certainly has come down from on high. Thank you
One of the reasons that the MP44 seems "smoother" than a AKM besides the lower velocity is the relative weight. MP44 is 10lb 2oz the AKM is 7lb 2.8oz. That is a considerable weight increase in dampening recoil.
Awesome 👍 Grand pa A WW2 vet ,left his gun collection to my Dad ,Dad gave them to me on my 21 st B-day, one of the guns was "some kraut gun" he won in a poker game. Neither Dad or me ever messed with it because we didn't know what it was.😁now I know Thank pappy (RIP)
I hate to break it to the budget crowd, but any WW2 German reproduction is going to be $6000+. Be it the FG42, the STG44, the MG34 or 42. Every time one gets listed, in pour the "$6200 uR crAzEeE" "I cAn By A ArFIFTEEN daTs bEtTer N eVrEE wAy 4 fOur Hundo". These things will sell out, and the production is so limited that the price will stay elevated.
Mosin Crate! Yes, this YT comment section reminds me of the gun store hangouts who want to talk ad nauseum about their glock collection. Meanwhile, already pictures of these popping up over at the K98 forum.
I have the Stg 44 from SSD and it is wonderful. Up to now I have never had any jamming with the PPU ammunition. SSD also makes really cool original replicas of the G 43, Mp38, FG42 greetings from Switzerland🎉
I've shot a couple of original Stg 44s that belonged to friends on mine. Thanks to their layout, excessive weight, and weak rifle cartridge, they are pleasant to shoot in full auto. Unfortunately, their construction is rather flimsy because they were never intended for long service. The price of these new clones is insane. Very few people will be able to afford them. If nothing else, collectors may finally have a source of affordable magazines that aren't worn out.
I will bet you that this company will have a few year back order. You have collectors who will want it and pay the price. But another group will purchase too. That would be movie prop companies. And the prop companies NEVER purchase just one. More like 10-20 pieces. And there's a lot of prop companies in America. What the D&K will need to do. Is after a while, produce some other model from the era of the stg44 to stay viable per se. I am definitely picking up two of these stg-44's. One to shoot to have fun and the other to stay in the box. I do that a lot with certain pieces in my collection. When I purchased an FN-FNC...I got 3 of them. One is in the box, never fired. Did with an HK94 got two of those too and several others.
by the way, from what I have been told from front line SS using the rifle was to use "FA" as a "last ditch during pull out option" otherwise it was kept as a semi-auto rifle for hits at range on "major targets" more or less like the Mauser 98!
*Sees video.* “Oh hey, finally! Historically-accurate firearms from a US-based manufacturer!” *Goes to website and sees $6200 price tag and out of stock notification.* “Oh.” Very nice gun all the same, nice to see the historical pieces finally getting some love.
Considering what it took to finally bring this thing to market the price doesn't surprise me at all. $6200 may sound like a lot, but compared to a real honest-to-Wehrmacht full-auto StG-44 it's a bargain. At least the quality justifies the price tag.
To someone who is a die hard fan of old German military stuff or the stg44 specifically it may be justifiable to spend that much, but to someone who just thinks guns are cool/fun and people who want to protect themselves, it 100% isn't worth it, and the vast majority of gun owners aren't in the first group. Once that relatively small group of gun toting history buffs all get their hands on one, who else is gonna want to buy one?
@@josefstalin9678 Well honestly I don't think anyone is going to trying to buy one of these as a home defense gun, especially when they can get a decent AR for $500. It's a niche market item for collectors. Of course how well it'll sell once the die-hard collectors finally have theirs is an interesting question.
The difference is 4". I'm not aware of any documents which indicate the Germans, Russians, or Americans made such distinctions. However, following your logic, the Fedorov was the first production assault rifle, while the the Mkb was the first production assault carbine. By comparison this would make the AK an assault carbine and the M16 an assault rifle.
The Fedorov have more in common with the BAR or the magazine feed light machine guns of the time around WW I than any assault rifle, as it was still chambered in a rifle round the 6.5x50SR Arisaka. The standard issue rifle round for the Japanese army at the time. After all the idea with the assault rifle concept is the use of a intermediate round that is easy to control under fully automatic fire. The 7,92x33 kurtz fulfills that goal. The 6.5x50SR Arisaka not so much even if it was one of the mildest recoil cartridges that Fedorov could get his hands on at the time. And that also not jammed the gun constantly. Military testing of the Fedorov during WW I by the Russians concluded that it worked best as a crew served weapon, so in short, like a light machine gun would be used. And the recommended firing mode was semi automatic as the weapon would overheat rapidly when using full automatic.
@@Paladin1873 I don't consider the Propagandaministerium an authority on technical matters. If a weapon is gas-operated and has a practical range of 300 metres, I call it an automatic carbine [Siminova exempli gratia]. The AK has an auto sear, so I call it a machine carabine. I consider 500 metres to be the practical range of a rifle, so AR-15's barely qualify as machine rifles with 20-inch barrels and 77-grain ammunition
@@dannythehonestgamer6051 That's not how the Soviets eventually employed it in WWII. It was issued to elite scout units and used in a manner similar to the StG 44. In terms of power it was about equivalent to the 6.8 SPC which is considered an assault rifle cartridge. In 1915 the concept of a light machine gun, automatic rifle, SMG, and assault rifle had not matured to the point that they were well defined and distinctly different. It is only in retrospect that we apply these terms, so we have some latitude regarding what modern parlance we use to classify them. If so desired, one can even reach back into the late 19th century and find several obscure prototype firearms that also could vie for these titles. When it comes to the MKbB/StG series I would argue the M-1 carbine had them beat and saw far greater combat use. Even German troops fell in love with the compact, light recoiling War Baby. Those who think an assault rifle must have a select fire option should recall that feature was incorporated in the original M-1 carbine concept, but deleted during early trials, then reinstated late in WWII. It was service standard by the Korean War when many M-1s were converted to M-2s simply by adding/replacing the necessary parts. Today we have again retroactively applied a new concept designation to the M1/M2 series - the PDW (Personal Defense Weapon). In truth we're never going to pigeon-hole every small arm into a single category, but it's fun to try.
@@TheSundayShooter You are free to classify any small arm as you see fit, but you will find there is no common agreement on the correct terms, only generally accepted concepts. Even then, governments and manufacturers continue to use terms of their own invention such as sub machine gun, machine carbine, machine pistol, PDW, etc.
Love seeing the Tomlinson's shirt. They're right down the road from me. Their sister store in FW is more convenient for me to get to, but I try to make it up to Busco to pay them a visit when I can.
The price is insane for anyone but a hard core collector. But that's what this is, a gun for collectors. I wonder what the market will do when the machine gun part of NFA is over turned by SCOTUS.
It's the same as the SMG FG-42 repro. Yes, it's a $6-8k gun, but thats the kind of 6-8k you spend once in your life and never, ever regret. If you've been into firearms for a long time, you probably have at least one rifle that cost you over 3k after everything you've done to it, so when you think about it it's not toooooo much of a reach. You'll reach deep as fuck, but you'll reach it.
Im excited for my preorder. I was told by DK Productions mine should be done sometime in November as part of the second batch. They are currently finishing the first batch. Thanks for sharing this review with us! ❤
I'm retired, so my gun collecting days are well behind me. I had to sell or give away my collection when forced to downsize. If I were still young and working, I'd get one of these, or at least the .22 version.
Pakistan can be a treasure trove when it comes to firearms, I've seen someone over there that has an extremely rare German semi automatic World War 1 rifle.
I can tell you the 7.92x33 Kurz I have reloads right close to the 7.62x39. I build and sell AR uppers so the first AR 15 upper in 7.92x33 Kurz I believe as of today I got the last of bugs out of it, so it now works. mid-day I did a test and finally ran through 10 7.92x33 Kurz cartridges with no stoppages This one really put my head in a spin to get it to work! Just the barrel I have $1000 into it even before the installing the barrel into the upper receiver. The chamber finish reamer and go - head space gauge had to come out of Ukraine. Just some more testing then I am ready to take AR 15 upper orders in 7.92x33 Kurz
Fascinating! Every time I've seen the rifle, I thought that metal 'handguard' was a hot joke. Seeing the imagery of soldiers holding the rifle by the magazine, I suppose that even wrapping the barrel with heavy cloth didn't help much. I was also a bit surprised when I saw reports of the StG-44 being in fairly wide use in the Mid-East in the early 2000s; I had assumed that it simply disappeared after WWII. The performance of the 7.92x33 relative to the 7.62x39 was also surprising; I expected it to be significantly weaker, more akin to a pistol cartridge.
@@fluffles9591100% agree. The demand is there for a stg44 replica but at that price point there is only a small group of people that can afford- would spend that much on this. I think they will have a hard time selling these at that price after all the stupid people spend that much on that gun
This reinforced my theory that captured German engineers developed the "AK" system and not Kalashnikov in Soviet fantasy and propaganda. Soviet dogma would not admit they could not design anything this advanced weapon was at the time.
..... the ak is a 2 lug rotating bolt like the garand. the stg is a tilting bolt action. they're nothing alike other than using stamped sheet metal receivers
I know psa is working on a stg44 and they said production models are being produced and tested. I think they said late 24-25 for retail Sale. But we shall see.
The price is a very heavy lift for the average gun guy for sure, but it's just fantastic this actually happened and the rifles even exist... I'll be buying one after I save some greenbacks!
I had the opportunity to pick up an original STG-44. The thing was HEAVY. This was not a light weight rifle. This was without a loaded mag. I talked to a East Front veteran who used one. He said the ejector was too so the thing tended to jam. Do these have the same problem? Is someone going to make ammo for them?
Once-upon-a-time, l held an original MP44/STGW45 and a BNIB M16A12 in my grubby paws. A small gunshow in sw Nebraska. The price tag on each was $1500! If l could go back in time l would bitchslap my younger self. Yes, this was in the 1985 tie frame.
Don't beat yourself up too bad, fifteen hundred in those days would come out to almost ten grand now. That being said, that gun is probably worth about 100k these days...
@rustyshackleford3053 yep. I remember thinking "who would pay that much for a gun? And how could you afford the ammo for it?" So in June as a retirement gift l bought a used Springfield Armory TRP Operator in 10mm with a 6" barrel and slide. For $1500. 😆 Most expensive gun I've ever bought.
I am thrilled to hear this because ammo will be coming soon, and I have started in my line of AR 15 and AR 10 uppers to build AR 15 uppers in 7.92x33 Kirz uppers to added to my sales. Just today I talked on the phone with Pac Nor barreling on the AR 15s barrels in 8 mm I have on order to be chambered in 7.92x33 Kurz . If these new guns are over your price, then maybe the AR 15 in 7.92x33 is affordable.
One thing learning about guns back in the 90s that always caught me off guard is that somehow the Russian round had a bigger powder or propellant charge Recoil on the STG 44 must have felt even closer to a pistol cartridge
The best thing about the STG44 is the "coolness factor" and novelty for modern shooters. I remember watching an American World War Two veteran say that American Infantrymen almost always declined to use captured German assault rifles because , at almost twelve pounds, they were twice as heavy as M1 carbines, but the 8mm Kurz round was in the same power class as .30 Carbine rounds. Also , given that Germans weren't able to make enough ammo for that rifle for themselves , an American soldier had little hope of finding enough ammo to justify carrying that weapon. The Germans , on the other hand, loved M1 carbines and used everyone they could get their hands on. All that said I would love to have an MP44 , like most other gun owners.
Yea this poor here will have to settle for my dad's m1 carbine bc I'll nvr afford one of these. Even if I could not also making them in more popular modern cartridges is a mistake. The ammo cost is enough to make you second guess even if you could afford the thing.
just because one guy said something doesnt mean it is felt the same by others anyone would have licked their hands for any sort of full auto rifle back then
Im annoyed with these companies doing the whole "now anyone can own an stg44! For the low low price of $6000" because i want one, but I'm not spending 6 grand on one. 2k would be the most id be willing to spend on a reproduction ww2 gun.
I will remind everyone here that we were already paying $7500 for Lugerman Lugers and SMG FG-42s, and I was seriously saving up for one of the FG-42s as my grail gun until I put everything I had into building my house. Hell, I put an AK-103 together that cost me $3500 by the time I had all the parts and accessories I wanted on it, including SAG chassis, issued FSB stock, optics, etc, so I never really considered an 8 grand FG-42 to be *that far* out of reach. It's painful, but this is the kind of thing you buy once in your life and it sits at the top of your collection forever. Same for this one, potentially even moreso. This is in line with what you should expect to pay for a high quality, highly accurate reproduction of these guns. Saying 'the StG is stamped so it should be cheap' is a complete misunderstanding of the kind of stamping technology that went into it, as well as all of the other machined parts that go into it. This is not Russian AK stamping, or CETME stamping. This is a highly complex, technically immature style of stamping that they used during wartime before they had it all figured out and knew how to do it efficiently and quickly with a minimum of machined parts. There are some quite complex milled parts in that receiver. That's why the various roller prototypes, Gerat-05, Gerat-06, VG1-5 and the other shit are all so much fucking simpler than the StG.
Hello. Since you have much information of the stg44. Or aka mp44. The many variables in. The ammo used are enormous. The manufactures and the waffenammp were taking anything they were offered to stem the losses at least they could have some weapons to stem the tide of communism as the war was turning towards the three allied countries for political gains as the war heroes disappeard
This is pretty cool but don't let that distract you from that fact that In 1972, a crack commando unit was sent to prison by a military court for a crime they didn't commit. These men promptly escaped from a maximum security stockade to the Los Angeles underground. Today, still wanted by the government they survive as soldiers of fortune. If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them....maybe you can hire The A-Team.
Whatcha talkin bout foo
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@@jesseterrell2109the A-team
@@jesseterrell2109if ypu have to ask, you don’t need to know #IYKYK
OH GREAT! Thanks. Now the music is stuck in a loop in my head 🤣
As a German i'm very proud and think SSD definitely needs more Attention! Here in Germany we got the STG-44 as well by Sportsysteme Dietrich, those are fantastic Semi-Auto Versions and very popular among German Gun Owners but also sadly very very expensive! But Top notch Quality.
I'm surprised they didn't sell well in the USA, they're insanely popular over here. Hope now that they moved a Production Facility to the USA, hope they get more Sales by the US now.
Prost & Cheers from Berchtesgaden in the Bavarian Alps
My grandfather never said anything about his time between '40-'44, I was always sent outside when his friends came over for a talk. One day I was digging the soft soil under the neighbor restaurant's basement and found one with a "corner attachment". You should have seen his eyes sparkling, it was like blue lightning ! Today I'm 60 years old, living in Commiefornia and understand my grandfather and that painter was 100% right. 😉
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Haha! Thanks for sharing that incredible Story! My paternal Grandfather used a STG-44 issue in April 1944. He always tells me to go to and i quote "Texas or Arizona one day and shoot a full-auto STG-44, i'm sure the Americans will be happy to have you!". Definitely on my List to do!
He is now 104 years old (turns 105 on 1st of September) he always jokes about how he had to go to War in 1939 on his Birthday for obvious Reasons.
He was captured during the Battle of the Bulge by Americans serving with the 1st WSS Division "LAH" and then after the War became good Friends with a lot of Americans stationed around our Area in Germany. So as a Kid in the early 1990s we'd always have German WW2 Veterans and American WW2 Veterans over each Summer for BBQ and i loved listenting to them talk about the War in a respectful Manner, no Hostility whatsoever
Prost & Cheers from Berchtesgaden in the Bavarian Alps
@@laszlovandor4770shameful
@@laszlovandor4770yes, he was completely right.
Unfortunately the victorious side aways right the history and that’s why we are in this sh1t.
What does it take to own a gun in Germany?
I live in Europe and I found the charging handle/piston of a MP44, some 8mm kurz and the remains of a leather sling in a creek that runs in my property...never found the rest of it
Could've been blown apart by an explosion. Who knows. Cool find though.
Keep looking
@@jody3385 I do but I have not been succsessful yet, I did find other relics from ww2 tho
I’d claim I never found the rest either if I lived in Europe 🤫
That tragedy that brought it up on y'all is awful but I as a Texan am pretty jealous of the history y'all can find in Europe and Germany. The stuff y'all find in random ponds in the woods magnet fishing blows my mind. One guy for ammo mp40's stg44's and a whole case of grenades then called the law🤦🏼♂️
You say the WWII German 7.92 Kurz is Corrosive primed. A little background, I am a military ammunition headstamp/caliber/type collector. Been at this since 1976. Massive collection. Much knowledge, still learning.
Very few 7.92 Kurz were loaded with the brass type 88 corrosive primers as about 1940 they revamped their type 30 copper noncorrosive primer adopted in 1930 and made it acceptable as the new type 30/40 phosphate steel by the ground forces. The Airforce (Luftwaffe) still rejected it. As it didn't work well at high altitude cold temperatures. So, if you see a primer other than brass on WWII German 7.92x57, 7.9 Kurz or 9mm Luger it is Noncorrosive. No fault, as this is a long-time assumption that all WWII German ammo is corrosive primed.
Also, on the rifle, a side-by-side comparison of the internals on this SSD the BATF accepted for production are about 15% different from an original's internals (they want hindrance in someone installing FA parts). Agreed it is still the closest you can get to an original thus far.
Well explained thanks for the knowledge I will screenshot this for myself to know lol
Old world bluing cast from hardened steel turned by lathes 30 different cuts mp38
Mp 40 and stg 44 stamped sheet metal
Great info nuggets - thank you! Also a random question about your collection.... Do you have any of the Zimbabwe made "Cheetah" 7.62x39mm? I recently found some Cheetah in a random ammo can I'd forgotten about.
@@justanothergunnerd8128 ZI 97 headstamp?
Well, PSA has announced that they have shelved their StG-44 project. So this is it!
That is great news - I hope PSA lost lots of money buying and pursuing the design! This is a reaallyyy nice rifle from DK. It will probably be my next purchase.
What a shock. Anything related to HMG is pure vaporware.
There is now a very nice 3D printed stg44 called the stg556
Why?
@@justanothergunnerd8128lol you hope psa lost money... you clearly are an atf agent
I have a MP44 full auto I bought many years ago. PPU is the only company that makes 7.92 x 33 ammo. Fortunately I bought several thousand rounds back then and thousands of 8mm bullets and brass cases. he problem I have now is most of the ranges will not let you shoot full auto weapons. Unless I'm with someone on private land, it just sits in the safe. Very cool gun. Mucho fun with the happy switch. They are ungodly expensive now.
Best advice from this is when you can buy at surplus prices, do it!
I’m envious it’s be a dream come true to own an MP,FG, or STG.
Ill help the rifle if you need. I'll take it and make sure she's treated well for another generation! 😅
Jk, but that is neat. How did you go about finding and buying back in the day? Would you mind sharing what you got it for as well? I always find the prices really interesting
They look like pussy Kats to shoot😂
So what you are saying is that the German rounds that basically everyone forgot about, switching to rounds like 5.56, 7.62, 12.7, are still being made, like if need be, a military can get weapons and ammo like Germany in WW2?
$40,000 + is beyond my pay grade. $6200, doable for my dream/ bucket list rifle.
Not necesarily better manufacturing, but definetely new. An 80 year old rifle is going to be VERY worn, specially the barrel, chamber and bolt.@@SmokeNGunsBBQ
they will bring it down over time.
Yeah it's amazing this company moved to the US and got production up and running, YET Hill and Mac Gunworks with PSA has been working 8 years on their STG-44 and not a single damn one has been seen
Mainly because SSD is copying the original off of the original TDP, so there is no engineering or R&D involved. What Hill and Mac took on was an ambitious plan to modernize and modularize the STG pattern.
@@unclebob540i3what they took on was idiocy. They should have just used the original technical data package. Why work harder to get a worse result?
Work smarter, not harder!
He did say they brought all the tooling so that kinda helps in producing products right away
@@sandwichartist5053 SSD produced these years ago already, so setting up shop here in the usa was much faster, R&D always has to be done, but they just did most of it a decade ago. Hill never finished R&D (not yet anyway), in part because of venture capital and a VERY small team. To keep costs low he utilized G3 parts which were plentiful. The cost of doing that means MORE R&D. PSA is keeping with that model. Using parts not originally designed to work together adds complications, and it makes me truly wonder if its worth saving the $100-$250 or whatnot to just stick closer to the original. Afterall, what happens when the G3 parts flow dries up? youll turn to PTR and pay their prices? I wonder if these parts can reliably work together at all. To get people excited, then languish for years is a hard PR hit to a company, esp a small operation. PSA can shrug it off, but after their Mp5 promise, and now the Stg.. we'll have to turn to brownells or just stick with psa's ARs
This is pretty exciting. Didn't even know this was in the works.
However, $6200 is fucking insane. I understand economy of scale but still. Moving your manufacturing to the US is whack if you are only selling a handful per year.
If the demand is high enough, I’d imagine they could scale up production and prices would go down. Although they’d still be pretty expensive.
Oldest trick in the book...
We all know it's basic economic. "Supply and Demand". They are keeping the "Supply low". They know the "demands are high" so they make a few and charge whatever they want. They ALSO know that there will be those little boot licker fan boys who will back them up.
Don't look at the price of ammo for this thing either
That's fkd 😂
Just the WWII reenactor market could keep this guy in business for years. We routinely drop obnoxious amounts of money on original artifacts or high quality repros of things you just can't get. 6,200 isn't bad when you consider the originals are going for 50k+ when they're available which isn't often. The originals are also transferable machine guns, so there's a ton of paperwork and fees involved and they're not legal in several states. It might not be right away, but I will definitely be picking one of these up. The StG is way underrepresented in reenacting just because they're so hard to come by, the guys in my group will absolutely s*** themselves when they see this is coming on the market.
This StG44 release really feels like a piece of history coming back to life! I love how these classics are getting a new chance in today's world. Props to SSD for keeping the spirit alive! 💥✨
Now that the US Supreme Court has ruled that NEWLY MADE Machine Guns are protected under the Second Amendment, maybe they can make FULL AUTO CLONES of the StG 44!!!
I know of 2 original guns that blew up in the late 90's/ early 2000's from shooting original wartime ammo. The shells looked fine, but the powder had started to deteriorate, and corroded the steel case from the inside. The cases let loose, no one was hurt, but both the lower and upper were swollen and bad out of speck. Don't shoot the old steel ammo, and l would extend that warning to the postwar Czech ammo, as it's the same powder the Germans used, and it's 20yrs older now.
Agreed!
The original WWII ammo and the post war you would have to pull every bullet and observe the powder and case internals for rust. Then reassemble. I know someone who did this and still had issues with case separation. No harm to the original receiver, but if you get a separation close to the head or head failure, then yes, I can see receiver bulging possible. Coating the rounds with Carnauba wax did help with removing the broken separated casings. But then it is possible you could be putting more pressure on the bolt when firing. The Germans did try briefly in 1940 with 7.92x57, waxing casing when they transitioned from copper plated steel casings to lacquered steel. The new lacquered steel was sticking in high cyclic rate weapons. The wax worked, but it picked up dust. Eventually in 1941 they redesigned the internals making it on the inside thinner at the top end and heavier at bottom therefore springier for extraction. Hence the St to St+ head markings. The biggest issue one is going to have with this old WWII German 7.92 Kurz, is pulling down a light bullet that is crimped well in a steel casing. Much effort even if you are going to just reload the projectiles with new powder in PPU casings. I have about 2,000 rounds left of loose WWII 7.92 Kurz that I paid some time ago $1 a round for and don't know what to do with it. Primers are nice as they are type 30/40 noncorrosive, but they are also worthless Berdan type primes if you can't use the casings. Very few 7.92 Kurz were loaded with the brass type 88 corrosive primer as about 1940 they revamped their type 30 noncorrosive primer adopted in 1930 and made it acceptable as the new type 30/40 by the ground forces. The Airforce (Luftwaffe) still rejected it. As it didn't work well at high altitude cold temperatures. Sorry I am so long winded.
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Thanks for the information. I didn't know the Germans used non corrosive small arms primers. Knowledge is power!
@@vincentmueller3717 They also experimented with non-corrosive primers before and during WWI since the inception in 1888 of the type 88 brass primer. RWS noncorrosive type T 18 of 1908 wasn't accepted but they changed it a bit and standardize it for use in commercial ammunition in the mid 1920's branded as SINOXID. It is usually copper plated brass with impressed circle in center of primer. Nothing militarily was adopted until 1930, the type 30 copper plated brass noncorrosive primer. Adopted as the type 88 successor in 1937, it was withdrawn from usage in 1939 due to misfires in subzero weather and mainly used in Platzpatrone 33 wood bulleted blanks from then on. Type 30 can also be blackened copper. The type 30/40 steel primer also had variations. There was zinc plated, nickel-plated and colored lacquered versions. There was also a type 43 steel RWS noncorrosive primer that was short lived (type 30/40 with different composition). The 9mm Luger used the type 08 corrosive brass primer and the zinc coated steel type 08/40 noncorrosive primer starting in 1940.
I shot some original 8mm mauser ammo in my k98, and I felt that the k98 is so solid that even if a round exploded, it would be contained... I hope...
RIP PSA STG. Now DK Productions are the only name in town.
My father had a vet bring-back stamped MP43 that he even participated in re-enactments with, Photos of that particular gun are likely in at least a few of the ww2 firearms/reference books of the early to mid 90's, as well as weapons demonstration videos on VHS. To this day kicks himself for selling it. Needless to say both of us want one of these... lol
I Akin the $6500 price to the $8500 Ohio Ordinance Works BAR.
It's not meant to just be a good clone, it's as close to a 1:1 original recreation as possible, pretty much a designer item that's super expensive to produce because of how uncommon and unique it is.
If you want an affordable and more usable STG44 clone, wait for the PSA version.
Plus, I think we're getting close to a "historical firearms clone" Renaissance in the gun industry within the next few years, especially if the SBR and SBS rules of the NFA get ruled unconstitutional.
Given that, and them getting more settled in the direct American market, prices may well drop.
Gotta say, the HCAR is fantastic!
That design that continued to with HK lines, absolutely timeless perfect design.
Same with ak and wayyyyy last the di ar
Beautiful and faithful replica! Glad they're being made in the USA now.
This is one of the few firearms I would actually drop that kind of money on. It’s one of my favorite historical rifles and it just looks amazing too. I’m definitely going to buy the PSA replica when they come out assuming they are decent, but I’d strongly consider buying one of these.
@@SmokeNGunsBBQ the Frankenstein gun can be used and abused like any other tool, the other can be a collectors item that will retain its value. I’d like to have both.
You’d think for 6000 dollars they’d be able to polish those grind marks out of the bolt
True but who knows if they have the courage or Even the course For It lolololol
FÜR AUTHENTICITY, FREUND
Woah, I completely forgot about the original channel name! Been here a real long time now, glad you're still living the dream.
That Kurz round looks like the case has a bigger diameter at the base. I figured the performance would be a lot closer than the size difference would lead you to believe.
The handloading crowd will close the gap.
Dream gun for MAC. OG’s remember it was the original name of the channel.
I thought I was having a Mendella Effect going.
"Hey all, sturmgewehr here..."
And his website, "The Bang Switch".
@@dongblak7048 damn, that’s a throwback I forgot all about that. I remember going to his website on the computer in the hs library.
I remember haha
I'd LOVE to have one of those beasts! A fine example of military rifle history!
I am so glad they didn't hack it up and move the magazine release like the knuckleheads at HMG. A worthy replica finally.
Exactly. Hmg one is an abomination
I was able to buy a 22lr STG 44 for $300 in 2020, even though its like a bb gun, its heavy and feels so good. Magazines were hard to find until I imported a bunch and now I have extras 😂😂
I would be in at about the $2000 mark where I thought it would be but they can keep it for that much!
Palmetto never made theirs at 2K price point as they said they were going to.
@@shawnoandrew Yet another lie PSA has told.
Great video. Glad to see this rifle in production and here in the states.
I have been wanting an StG44 for years. Never thought I could even find one. Now I know I got one more gun to add to my list of guns to buy…..
yes, if you have $6200 to spend. Good luck explaining that one to the Wife. You can just tell her its a $2k gun. ha ha
@@acousticmagnum5200 but how will i explaim the ammo cost 😅
@@acousticmagnum5200or you grow a pair and stop letting your wife control you. Assuming your finances are in order.
That’s the problem though,there will always be just one more must have 😂
@@garrettferrell6821 my list is a very specific WW2 list, mostly rifles, and the only one not from that era is a M1A
Such an amazing firearm and one of my dream weapons to own. Unfortunately, being a DAV not working, it will be personal congrats for me and you have no idea how badly this hurts in my soul. I've wanted this since I was 14 learning about WW2 a history. You have an awesome life sir. Enjoy this weapon and take great care of her and show her off as often as you can. Been following you since the early days. You always have great vids. Congratulations on the new addition and the MP 38. DK Productions is working on the German copy of the British Sten as well. Germany made a fair copy during the war after capturing many British examples. DK also has a website that has a bunch of firearms from WW2 they are working on. Maybe I'll hit the lottery or something.😂😂
Always thought it was the coolest gun of WWII. Loved Pitt using it in "Fury"
My dad's friend asked me to convert ( same base cartridges) to 7.92x33. Dad's friend had a set of reloading dies, and reamer. The friend was a machinist. The dies were only marked with 7.92x33. I did the conversion. Not a problem for me. P.S. I did keep all 308 Win brass. That's what I shoot. Thank You for video!
This company DK Production will also be making FG 42 8n two versions as im told. Early and late War production. They are making the MO 38 and MG 42 un semi auto i believe i read. Pretty awesome and amazing to have this done. If I could only save enough to afford my dream.
Happy to see SSD now starting on this stuff. Looks like they will be doing all kinds of German WW2 repros. And honestly, if Ohio ordnance works can sell out 6k+ BARs, this will do as well.
So I’m guessing they’re also working on a fg-42
Judging from D-K’s webpage, that appears to be the case, the “E” and “G” models. Hopefully they are successful in bringing them to market.
Yes, they are. Both versions
Ian from forgotten weapons did a video of this company recently 😊
@@Soucka74 Possibility that they may also make the short lived FG42-Kurz as well
Thinking Ohio Ordinance made some.
I built a FN FAL in its original caliber, 7,92x33k. A fantastic gun
For being the first of its kind it still has pretty ergonomics even compared to rifles that would come after it.
Hey Mac, did you hear about the truck load of Originals that showed up in the Syrian civil war a few years back? Probably 10 years ago at least now. There is a video of the Syrian Christians/maybe Kurds handing them out of a military truck to women fighters. Cool video if you can find it! They were breaking them out of wooden crates and they looked brand new. I was drooling at the thought of what that truck load was worth! I bet they didn’t have a lot of ammunition for them at the time.
The reason Hitler didn't approved the project was not that he didn't want an automatic rifle, was because he didn't want to ad another caliber to the military logistics. That's why the designation MP44 came up. To hide it in the official paper work. Then one day he was condecorating some troops and asked them what he can do for them, one responded more of those automatic rifles. He then asked what he was talking about and the army had to disclose the weapon to him. That's when Hitler himself came with the name Sturmgewer, Assault Rifle, for propaganda impact
No rifle was going to impact the fact that the Russians had 10,000 artillery guns per mile on the front and that no vehicle could move because either it had no fuel or an Allied aircraft would blow it off the earth.
You're completely wrong. Hitler didn't see the need for anything other than the bolt action rifle. He used it in WWI. It worked. End of story. No new rifle was required in his mind.
@@donwyoming1936 Not true, If that was the case, he would have opposed the FG42 for the Luftwaffe as well, or the G43 that was not automatic, but semi and more expensive than the Mauser.
@@edwinchandeck7231 Basically Hitler was sitting on hundreds of millions of full power 7.92mm and didnt want to have to start from scratch for a new rifle. The old stuff could have been repurposed, but he was already having weapon and ammo production issues. He was only persuaded later, by action reports that showed the 7.92 Kurz STG 44 as a Wunderwaffen.
Well, he was right, wasn’t he? It came too late to change the course of the war (if it even would have at the start). Their manufacturing and logistics capabilities were already stretched way too thin. He probably approved it for the morale boost it gave the troops.
Great video MAC! As a long, long, long time viewer, this ranks as one of your best videos right there with the NFA Nutkicker. I enjoyed every minute of it. Thank you!
The 7.92x33 KURZ is ballisticly similar to the 300 Black_Out. You should do a side by side comparison between an AR in 300BO and the STG44.
I think the 300 blackout must be doing it at higher pressure.
Judging from Ians latest video on SSD, they have only started production of a few items in the USA and are still based in Germany.
You are the man. Never seen anybody spit out as much information as quickly as you can. He must’ve retired from the stock exchange floor. But still what an interesting presentation and a fine gun I’m glad to see it’s being reviewed .Not that it’s been resurrected but it certainly has come down from on high. Thank you
One of the reasons that the MP44 seems "smoother" than a AKM besides the lower velocity is the relative weight. MP44 is 10lb 2oz the AKM is 7lb 2.8oz. That is a considerable weight increase in dampening recoil.
The STG really is a unique piece. No other gun has the steampunk aesthetic dialed in like the STG
A lot of late ww2 high tech stuff could be “steampunk”. Very cool
I'd say the MKb.42(H) is more the steampunk vibe
The Automaton and FG42 are very cool too
Genuine pleasure MAC. Thanks for the content.
Thanks for watching.
It is very cool.
Nice presentation.
Literally decades in the making!
Cool video!! Keep It up Tim You are the law
Awesome 👍 Grand pa A WW2 vet ,left his gun collection to my Dad ,Dad gave them to me on my 21 st B-day, one of the guns was "some kraut gun" he won in a poker game. Neither Dad or me ever messed with it because we didn't know what it was.😁now I know
Thank pappy (RIP)
If it is what it is , it can be worthahindred k.
Since as a teen back in 50s I loved that weapon
I hate to break it to the budget crowd, but any WW2 German reproduction is going to be $6000+. Be it the FG42, the STG44, the MG34 or 42. Every time one gets listed, in pour the "$6200 uR crAzEeE" "I cAn By A ArFIFTEEN daTs bEtTer N eVrEE wAy 4 fOur Hundo". These things will sell out, and the production is so limited that the price will stay elevated.
Poor people tend to be dumb *shrug*
Finally, someone with some common sense
Mosin Crate! Yes, this YT comment section reminds me of the gun store hangouts who want to talk ad nauseum about their glock collection. Meanwhile, already pictures of these popping up over at the K98 forum.
The first black out cartridges lol im not paying 6,000 for it thats for sure
So similar to a 300 blackout, the PSA version should be really nice
That's what I'm saying lol ill just get the PSA one at 1/3 the price in a caliber that won't bankrupt 90% of gun owners after 3 mags
300 blackout is trash
its never coming psa has gone to shit
So about that...
@@Anonymous8421 Do you bring news?
I have the Stg 44 from SSD and it is wonderful. Up to now I have never had any jamming with the PPU ammunition. SSD also makes really cool original replicas of the G 43, Mp38, FG42
greetings from Switzerland🎉
I've shot a couple of original Stg 44s that belonged to friends on mine. Thanks to their layout, excessive weight, and weak rifle cartridge, they are pleasant to shoot in full auto. Unfortunately, their construction is rather flimsy because they were never intended for long service. The price of these new clones is insane. Very few people will be able to afford them. If nothing else, collectors may finally have a source of affordable magazines that aren't worn out.
I will bet you that this company will have a few year back order. You have collectors who will want it and pay the price. But another group will purchase too. That would be movie prop companies. And the prop companies NEVER purchase just one. More like 10-20 pieces. And there's a lot of prop companies in America. What the D&K will need to do. Is after a while, produce some other model from the era of the stg44 to stay viable per se. I am definitely picking up two of these stg-44's. One to shoot to have fun and the other to stay in the box. I do that a lot with certain pieces in my collection. When I purchased an FN-FNC...I got 3 of them. One is in the box, never fired. Did with an HK94 got two of those too and several others.
@@ricks.1092 I read they have a Sten and M3 grease gun in the works.
Ok hitler lol
every pre order batch has sold out. it's a small shop, they're not making them in large quantities
by the way, from what I have been told from front line SS using the rifle was to use "FA" as a "last ditch during pull out option" otherwise it was kept as a semi-auto rifle for hits at range on "major targets" more or less like the Mauser 98!
6,2oo. Wow. Ohio Ordnance prices.
Yeah thats rough
*Sees video.*
“Oh hey, finally! Historically-accurate firearms from a US-based manufacturer!”
*Goes to website and sees $6200 price tag and out of stock notification.*
“Oh.”
Very nice gun all the same, nice to see the historical pieces finally getting some love.
Considering what it took to finally bring this thing to market the price doesn't surprise me at all. $6200 may sound like a lot, but compared to a real honest-to-Wehrmacht full-auto StG-44 it's a bargain. At least the quality justifies the price tag.
To someone who is a die hard fan of old German military stuff or the stg44 specifically it may be justifiable to spend that much, but to someone who just thinks guns are cool/fun and people who want to protect themselves, it 100% isn't worth it, and the vast majority of gun owners aren't in the first group. Once that relatively small group of gun toting history buffs all get their hands on one, who else is gonna want to buy one?
@@josefstalin9678 Well honestly I don't think anyone is going to trying to buy one of these as a home defense gun, especially when they can get a decent AR for $500. It's a niche market item for collectors. Of course how well it'll sell once the die-hard collectors finally have theirs is an interesting question.
Very cool, I've been Jonesin for one since I was a kid , grew up on WW2 , movies . That was a all time classic cool appeal to me.
The Fedorov 0:30 was a machine _rifle,_ the Stg-44 is a machine _carbine_ and its predecessor (Mkb-42) is the first of its class
The difference is 4". I'm not aware of any documents which indicate the Germans, Russians, or Americans made such distinctions. However, following your logic, the Fedorov was the first production assault rifle, while the the Mkb was the first production assault carbine. By comparison this would make the AK an assault carbine and the M16 an assault rifle.
The Fedorov have more in common with the BAR or the magazine feed light machine guns of the time around WW I than any assault rifle, as it was still chambered in a rifle round the 6.5x50SR Arisaka. The standard issue rifle round for the Japanese army at the time. After all the idea with the assault rifle concept is the use of a intermediate round that is easy to control under fully automatic fire. The 7,92x33 kurtz fulfills that goal. The 6.5x50SR Arisaka not so much even if it was one of the mildest recoil cartridges that Fedorov could get his hands on at the time. And that also not jammed the gun constantly. Military testing of the Fedorov during WW I by the Russians concluded that it worked best as a crew served weapon, so in short, like a light machine gun would be used. And the recommended firing mode was semi automatic as the weapon would overheat rapidly when using full automatic.
@@Paladin1873 I don't consider the Propagandaministerium an authority on technical matters.
If a weapon is gas-operated and has a practical range of 300 metres, I call it an automatic carbine [Siminova exempli gratia]. The AK has an auto sear, so I call it a machine carabine. I consider 500 metres to be the practical range of a rifle, so AR-15's barely qualify as machine rifles with 20-inch barrels and 77-grain ammunition
@@dannythehonestgamer6051 That's not how the Soviets eventually employed it in WWII. It was issued to elite scout units and used in a manner similar to the StG 44. In terms of power it was about equivalent to the 6.8 SPC which is considered an assault rifle cartridge. In 1915 the concept of a light machine gun, automatic rifle, SMG, and assault rifle had not matured to the point that they were well defined and distinctly different. It is only in retrospect that we apply these terms, so we have some latitude regarding what modern parlance we use to classify them. If so desired, one can even reach back into the late 19th century and find several obscure prototype firearms that also could vie for these titles.
When it comes to the MKbB/StG series I would argue the M-1 carbine had them beat and saw far greater combat use. Even German troops fell in love with the compact, light recoiling War Baby. Those who think an assault rifle must have a select fire option should recall that feature was incorporated in the original M-1 carbine concept, but deleted during early trials, then reinstated late in WWII. It was service standard by the Korean War when many M-1s were converted to M-2s simply by adding/replacing the necessary parts. Today we have again retroactively applied a new concept designation to the M1/M2 series - the PDW (Personal Defense Weapon). In truth we're never going to pigeon-hole every small arm into a single category, but it's fun to try.
@@TheSundayShooter You are free to classify any small arm as you see fit, but you will find there is no common agreement on the correct terms, only generally accepted concepts. Even then, governments and manufacturers continue to use terms of their own invention such as sub machine gun, machine carbine, machine pistol, PDW, etc.
Love seeing the Tomlinson's shirt. They're right down the road from me. Their sister store in FW is more convenient for me to get to, but I try to make it up to Busco to pay them a visit when I can.
The price is insane for anyone but a hard core collector. But that's what this is, a gun for collectors. I wonder what the market will do when the machine gun part of NFA is over turned by SCOTUS.
@@SmokeNGunsBBQHow bout you piss off and go somewhere else foo. You're not wanted here. You're so cringe like a pedophile
This wouldn't exist if nfa was ever gonna be overturned lol
@@fluffles9591 No, they'd all get reworked and that selector button would become active like the original.
@olddirtyburt7522 pretty sure the insides of the gun are different
It's the same as the SMG FG-42 repro. Yes, it's a $6-8k gun, but thats the kind of 6-8k you spend once in your life and never, ever regret. If you've been into firearms for a long time, you probably have at least one rifle that cost you over 3k after everything you've done to it, so when you think about it it's not toooooo much of a reach. You'll reach deep as fuck, but you'll reach it.
Im excited for my preorder. I was told by DK Productions mine should be done sometime in November as part of the second batch. They are currently finishing the first batch. Thanks for sharing this review with us! ❤
I remember back in the day. So Strumgewehr 44 comes full circle !
I'm retired, so my gun collecting days are well behind me. I had to sell or give away my collection when forced to downsize. If I were still young and working, I'd get one of these, or at least the .22 version.
Look up “44 bore AK” from pakistan
These are AK platforms modified to fire a local made 8X33 round which is copy of 8mm kurz
Pakistan can be a treasure trove when it comes to firearms, I've seen someone over there that has an extremely rare German semi automatic World War 1 rifle.
@@thegael1996 true
There are many exotic weapons from all over the world here
There are videos on TH-cam of original STG44s in the tribal areas
They even make double-stack Tokarev pistols for the 7.63 Mauser cartridge, because they still have/make that kind of ammo.
I I would love to see a comparison of the Kurz rounds old vs. new. Great video! LOVE this gun!
I can tell you the 7.92x33 Kurz I have reloads right close to the 7.62x39.
I build and sell AR uppers so the first AR 15 upper in 7.92x33 Kurz I believe as of today I got the last of bugs out of it, so it now works.
mid-day I did a test and finally ran through 10 7.92x33 Kurz cartridges with no stoppages
This one really put my head in a spin to get it to work!
Just the barrel I have $1000 into it even before the installing the barrel into the upper receiver.
The chamber finish reamer and go - head space gauge had to come out of Ukraine.
Just some more testing then I am ready to take AR 15 upper orders in 7.92x33 Kurz
I did not see that coming....
I've fired an original one, was really nice. You can really feel the slow bolt speed compared to a AR or AK
We got US made STG before GTA VI
Would be a cool gun for that game 👍🏼
Fascinating! Every time I've seen the rifle, I thought that metal 'handguard' was a hot joke. Seeing the imagery of soldiers holding the rifle by the magazine, I suppose that even wrapping the barrel with heavy cloth didn't help much.
I was also a bit surprised when I saw reports of the StG-44 being in fairly wide use in the Mid-East in the early 2000s; I had assumed that it simply disappeared after WWII.
The performance of the 7.92x33 relative to the 7.62x39 was also surprising; I expected it to be significantly weaker, more akin to a pistol cartridge.
D-K website has this at $6200. Magazines are $90.
That's a big oof.
Trade you a pickle for a dickle
Sad because they could sell an make more money if the price tag was 1 thousand....guess they thought nobody would want one
I would have to be rich and then - maybe.
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@@fluffles9591100% agree. The demand is there for a stg44 replica but at that price point there is only a small group of people that can afford- would spend that much on this. I think they will have a hard time selling these at that price after all the stupid people spend that much on that gun
I’ll keep my SAR8/HK91 thanks! Good luck getting ammo and mags!
This reinforced my theory that captured German engineers developed the "AK" system and not Kalashnikov in Soviet fantasy and propaganda. Soviet dogma would not admit they could not design anything this advanced weapon was at the time.
..... the ak is a 2 lug rotating bolt like the garand. the stg is a tilting bolt action. they're nothing alike other than using stamped sheet metal receivers
We all appreciate your covering this rifle
I thought this was the PSA one at first. Any updates on that?
I hope they don’t just sweep it under the rug and try to hide it’s existence like they did with the MP5 clone.
There is now LOL
The SKS claw type bolt/bolt carrier interface was directly inspired by this design.
I know psa is working on a stg44 and they said production models are being produced and tested. I think they said late 24-25 for retail Sale. But we shall see.
That has been "two months away" for 8+ years now. I don't care who bought the project out.
@@TheMosinCrateexactly! I think even the old HMG Facebook posts are still up declaring "Shipping starting next month!" Dated 6 years ago hahaha
@@TheMosinCratekinda like MKE saying the mpt76 was coming to the US like 8-9 years ago
@@TheMosinCrateThey, PSA, promised a Krink clone and delivered.
@@Soucka74 an AK is not an STG44.. You're comparing a 1990s cell phone to a modern Iphone.
One of your best reviews ever.
6,200 😂 let me save everyone 13:17 min
I was like wtf.....for a gun that shoots a weird ass caliber you'll never find.....
$3,000 was class III prices of MACs 20 years ago.
Fantastic video enjoyed it. The closes I will ever get to one but still excited you showed one off. Thanks
I'll wait for the PSA version.
its never coming psa has gone to shit
LOL
How’s that workin’ out for ya?
ok now I see that round used in small pocket guns like the 4-shot modern pepper box type undercover/back-up guns, food for thought!
The price is a very heavy lift for the average gun guy for sure, but it's just fantastic this actually happened and the rifles even exist... I'll be buying one after I save some greenbacks!
I had the opportunity to pick up an original STG-44. The thing was HEAVY. This was not a light weight rifle. This was without a loaded mag.
I talked to a East Front veteran who used one. He said the ejector was too so the thing tended to jam. Do these have the same problem? Is someone going to make ammo for them?
Real MP44 owner checking in! 😎
It shouldn't be too much of a challenge to make the ammo, as it has a common base diameter with.30-06, .308 etc.
And at $6k they won't be a US manufacture long. Hope they don't have a long lease.
Dumbass
Been subscribed since sturmgewehr days. Crazy how much things have changed.
Once-upon-a-time, l held an original MP44/STGW45 and a BNIB M16A12 in my grubby paws. A small gunshow in sw Nebraska.
The price tag on each was $1500! If l could go back in time l would bitchslap my younger self. Yes, this was in the 1985 tie frame.
Don't beat yourself up too bad, fifteen hundred in those days would come out to almost ten grand now. That being said, that gun is probably worth about 100k these days...
@rustyshackleford3053 yep. I remember thinking "who would pay that much for a gun? And how could you afford the ammo for it?"
So in June as a retirement gift l bought a used Springfield Armory TRP Operator in 10mm with a 6" barrel and slide. For $1500. 😆
Most expensive gun I've ever bought.
This aged well. PSA can't even COPY something. Chalk this up with the "Affordable" MP5 there were working on.
I am thrilled to hear this because ammo will be coming soon, and I have started in my line of AR 15 and AR 10 uppers to build AR 15 uppers in 7.92x33 Kirz uppers to added to my sales.
Just today I talked on the phone with Pac Nor barreling on the AR 15s barrels in 8 mm I have on order to be chambered in 7.92x33 Kurz .
If these new guns are over your price, then maybe the AR 15 in 7.92x33 is affordable.
6200. No f’n way.
@@SmokeNGunsBBQ25 to 2 like ratio lmao
One thing learning about guns back in the 90s that always caught me off guard is that somehow the Russian round had a bigger powder or propellant charge
Recoil on the STG 44 must have felt even closer to a pistol cartridge
The best thing about the STG44 is the "coolness factor" and novelty for modern shooters. I remember watching an American World War Two veteran say that American Infantrymen almost always declined to use captured German assault rifles because , at almost twelve pounds, they were twice as heavy as M1 carbines, but the 8mm Kurz round was in the same power class as .30 Carbine rounds. Also , given that Germans weren't able to make enough ammo for that rifle for themselves , an American soldier had little hope of finding enough ammo to justify carrying that weapon. The Germans , on the other hand, loved M1 carbines and used everyone they could get their hands on. All that said I would love to have an MP44 , like most other gun owners.
The 7.92x33 is a bigger dia, heavier bullet moving 350fps faster than the .30 carbine
Yea this poor here will have to settle for my dad's m1 carbine bc I'll nvr afford one of these. Even if I could not also making them in more popular modern cartridges is a mistake. The ammo cost is enough to make you second guess even if you could afford the thing.
just because one guy said something doesnt mean it is felt the same by others
anyone would have licked their hands for any sort of full auto rifle back then
@@SmokeNGunsBBQ the Germans didn't win asshat.
F off.
Always loved this rifle, I remember psa was supposed to make one for around 2k but it never happened
They’ve been saying it for years and still hasn’t came out, if I’m not mistaking they were supposed to be chambered in 300 blk out.
Im annoyed with these companies doing the whole "now anyone can own an stg44! For the low low price of $6000" because i want one, but I'm not spending 6 grand on one. 2k would be the most id be willing to spend on a reproduction ww2 gun.
I don't think the average gun owner in the states can easily lay hands on 6k for a gun that can be shot once a year when the ammo for them drops.
NFA Transferable Mac10//9s are running around $10k, for comparison.
I will remind everyone here that we were already paying $7500 for Lugerman Lugers and SMG FG-42s, and I was seriously saving up for one of the FG-42s as my grail gun until I put everything I had into building my house. Hell, I put an AK-103 together that cost me $3500 by the time I had all the parts and accessories I wanted on it, including SAG chassis, issued FSB stock, optics, etc, so I never really considered an 8 grand FG-42 to be *that far* out of reach. It's painful, but this is the kind of thing you buy once in your life and it sits at the top of your collection forever. Same for this one, potentially even moreso.
This is in line with what you should expect to pay for a high quality, highly accurate reproduction of these guns. Saying 'the StG is stamped so it should be cheap' is a complete misunderstanding of the kind of stamping technology that went into it, as well as all of the other machined parts that go into it. This is not Russian AK stamping, or CETME stamping. This is a highly complex, technically immature style of stamping that they used during wartime before they had it all figured out and knew how to do it efficiently and quickly with a minimum of machined parts. There are some quite complex milled parts in that receiver. That's why the various roller prototypes, Gerat-05, Gerat-06, VG1-5 and the other shit are all so much fucking simpler than the StG.
Hello. Since you have much information of the stg44. Or aka mp44. The many variables in. The ammo used are enormous. The manufactures and the waffenammp were taking anything they were offered to stem the losses at least they could have some weapons to stem the tide of communism as the war was turning towards the three allied countries for political gains as the war heroes disappeard