Axles don't even shift anymore!!!!! The only way spacers actually do anything is if you crank them tight so they actually engage. I stopped using spacers a while ago and don't notice any difference in longevity or performance of my bearings. The only thing I have noticed is my wheels tend to vibrate a little more when powersliding without them. I also like to leave a little slack in my wheels because I have noticed they seize up sometimes if I don't due to temperature changes(with or without spacers).
I love seeing that your just as interested in the nine clubs board setup segments as the rest of us skate rats are haha... through it makes sense since your kinda a huge part as to why soo many of us take a deep interest into the specifics of board setups... You and schmitt tend to dive the deepest into the "science" of setups, why things work and why things dont... id love to see you and Schmitt collab together in the future, maybe you could have the prof. fine tune your setup to you, would be interesting to see how your personal conclusion of what works best for you varies or matches Prof. Schmitt outcome. also I've gotta ask the question... do you tend to/try to, watch all of these board setup segments that the nineclub does? or were you just extra interested in knowing Joslins setup? Also gotta say, you should watch the nineclub "live" stream premieres (thurs nights) The chat would for sure get a kick of seeing you pop into the live stream for a watch along/discussion and the nineclubs boys tend to be in the live chat as well answering questions and interacting with the fans each week too, since the shows are pre-recorded the day before.
Nah, the spacers would only work the way that rog thinks they will work, is if the bearing spacer is the exact same width as the bearing seat of the wheel, any discrepancy in the distance of the bearing seat and the spacers will mean when you go to tighten your axle nut all the way down, if the spacer is too short, the bearings will misalign and the balls will be riding in the outside edge of the bearing raceway (making ur bearing roll crusty), and the same if they’re too long, the balls will roll on the inside of the raceway, also if a bearing spins good having the inner race spin around the axle aswell as the bearing itself spinning normal will just result in the wheel spinnin longer, even if u have bones wheels and bones bearings with bones spacers, if u measures the bearing seat and the spacers, they wouldnt be the exact same cause bearing seat width and bearing spacer width isnt standardised
@@CARMENTENSHI This. This is 100% spot on. I feel like Roger googled what bearing spacers are for someday and it blew his mind. But yes, these measurements are not standardized and they can be off by like a milimeter pretty often. Most of the times I've noticed the spacer being longer than the gap in the wheel
@@CARMENTENSHI Gotta have a selection. Bones are tight loopholes are loose Spit seems to be on time every time for the standard bones spacer. If your spacers rattling that's no good. Put a third speed ring inside the wheel with the spacer temporarily but it may harm your swiss. Reds or the Bronson fuck it who cares. It's a good temp fix.
It amazes me that jumpers don't swear by bearing spacers... I'll admit I just started using bearing spacers this past summer, I believe after hearing Rog speak about their benefits but since making the switch, I can't go without them nowadays. It really makes everything so much more solid and imho smoother feeling/riding but the smoother part could be a bit of a placebo effect... but as far as solidness it for sure really makes a difference, spacers just bring everything together... it makes your wheels, bearings and trucks truly feel like one solid component rather then a bunch of various components, essentially they add structural support/bracing to your bearings. A simple test to show the benefit is that, if you fully tighten your axle nut down with bearing spacers in your wheels, your wheel can still spin freely (It'll of course slow down the spin of your wheels the tighter you crank the axle nut but your wheels will still always spin as long as you've got spacers in place) Verses if you tighten the nut to much without spacers your gonna lock the wheel up. Also imo wheel setup is simplified with spacers and results in much more consistent tolerances as far as tightness to looseness ratio aka the amount of play/side to side movement of each of your wheels... The way I do it is, I crank the axle nut all the way down and then loosen a quarter turn or less... essentially just enough that the wheels spin full speed/unrestricted and with the least amount of side to side play, it works perfect everytime... The same method can be done without spacers too, but without them you can over tighten the axle nut damaging the bearing shields and you'll generally have inconsistent varying results from wheel to wheel, the bearing spacers kinda act as a stopper to prevent excessive over tightening since the bearings aren't able to compress inwards nearly as much with a spacer set inbetween them... because you've essentially added structural support/bracing to your bearings with the use of spacers. Even after just a single season using them, I've got no doubt that spacers increase the durability/life span of bearings and I've personally experienced nothing but positive benefits since I started using them. A little food for thought... Speedring washers serve the exact same purpose as bearing spacers but on the outside of the bearings, rather then in-between the bearings... the speedrings redirect the constant side to side pressures of skateboarding and the axle nuts pressure/truck hanger friction directly to the inner race (center of the bearing) rather then putting that pressure against the shields, which of course causes excess friction and wear. Using bearing spacers + speedrings will make everything feel more solid and durable and of course prolong the life of your bearings 100% no doubts about it... as Prof. Paul Schmitt would say, "It's Science!"
Yo they dont work, i had a long talk with a dude recently about them at a hockey place, this dudes been around like hes probably rebuilt and dealt with bearings way way way more than i have or anyone i know has, most skaters are like yeah man whatever with it, this dude had shit down to a science. First off we talked about swiss 6 ball vs normal swiss, 6 ball are better according to him. This dude also skated to, so he wasnt some idiot, but he said urethane molds around the bearings and moves they never will sit perfectly in place and having some give is actually a good thing. And spacers also dont even fit in alot of types of wheels, i have autobahn slims they straight up dont fit in, they didnt fit in my other 51 autobahns either. Nobody ever ever put these in. I remember throughout the entire 2000s, and 2010s people talked how spacers dont do anything, now all of a sudden in 2020 theres some new evidence out there. The truth is the best tech skaters i know who pivoted and twisted there boards around the most, ladd, prod, none of those dudes rocked spacers. I remember actually once vaguely hearing someone in the skateshop say the were for longboards or something. Idk, i never used them, nobody did throughout skatings biggest progressive era's the science isnt anything insane to figure out. If they made that much of a difference, bearings would come with spacers automatically on them, ive seen them before. And nobody really buys them its some sideline unknown company.
@@profo4544 Did this dude also tell you hockey helmets dont work? or is that only skateboard helmets... Bearing spacers function vary well in skateboard wheels. As long as the spacer fits in the center of the wheel then they provide a noticeable difference in structural support. Its a fact that with spacers you can tighten your wheels down more securely without hindering the mobility of the wheels... this is a good thing, this is providing true structural support...which typically equates to strength... a securely fitted bearing on a axle is gonna be far stronger and perform superior to one thats loose and rattling around on the axle or shaft... a bearing properly secured in place is going to function as its designed to... these are simple mechanical facts. Its not that in 2020 new information emerged about bearing spacers... its just that some of us started experimenting with actually using those odd little things called bearing spacers and noticed they actually have a function... we can assume they were invented for a reason by someone much smarter then you and I... you know, someone that likely had an actual engineering degree and understood the benefits a simple little bearing spacer could provide. Lets just think about it logically for a second now... do you think its good for the heavy machinery in factories to have bearings that have "some give" and are loose and rattling around along the axle/ shaft that they are suppose to be secured too?... answer obviously not! things are tightly fixed in place and the bearing itself spins on a precise rotational axis... it is not shifting and wobbly around willy-nilly, bearings are meant to be supported in place. Would you consider it a good thing if a mechanic decided to leave "some give" and just a little wiggle play on your car tire axle nuts? or would you rather them be securely toqued down to the manufacturers ft/lb specs. I mean, Its name literally describes itself...the term "bearing" is derived from the verb "to bear"; a bearing being a machine element that allows one part to bear (i.e., to support) another. A bearing is a machine element that "constrains relative motion to only the desired motion and reduces friction between moving parts." "The most sophisticated bearings for the most demanding applications are very precise components; their manufacture requires some of the highest standards of current technology" You're not experiencing the full performance of a bearings structural support and reduction in friction, with bearings that are loose and wobbling around freely along the axle/shaft... this is simple mechanic engineering 101 So again, its a simple fact that skateboard bearings used in conjunction with spacers perform better, as it allows the bearings to perform as their intended to by design. But yes, if you want to believe that skateboarders know more about bearings then machinist that engineer and use bearings for some of the most precise machinery and industrial instruments around the world... go right ahead. Sure, there is arguments to be made that the forces and stresses skateboarders put on bearings is far beyond there intended purpose... but again, Id argue "some give" and axle wheel play is more of a performance hinderance, rather then a benefit that most skaters believe it to be. If the skate industry cared/if the consumers pushed hard enough... they could make spacers that fit all wheel types easily... technically the wheel companies should provide spacers with the wheels themselves that would be most ideal and the most logical. my guess is that there would probably only be a few spacer sizes across an entire wheel line, if not just like 2... a slim spacer and a wide spacer.
@@TysonHook-22- They straight up dont fit on some wheels, i have tho. they straight up dont fit in slims I own right now. There to wide. Same case for alot of wheels either the wheels have the bearings spaced to close, or some have them to far far apart and it can shake side to side the spacer.., not all wheels they event fit onto.
The purpose of spacers in bearings is also to transfer energy on impact (instead of destroying either the bearings directly or the wheel itself). Very underrated thing about them, as it can actually safe bearings in terms of lifespan.
while the idea of using spacers and washers is ideal, the real truth is that a lot of wheels don't have enough clearance between the bearing seats. i went through all my setups (4 zip/zig zingers/zaggers with soft wheels (OJ mini super juice 55mm, OJ super juice 60mm, Bones ATF 56mm and these old Deathwish death times 58mm?), Spitfire Formula Four classic 52mm, Spitfire Formula Four Lil Smokeys Classic 50mm, Spitfire Formula Four Lil Smokeys Tablet 50mm, and Pig Prime 52mm. I used to use spacers all the time but what mainly got my attention was when i skated the 50mm formula fours as i noticed the bearings would not fully press into the seats. at that point i started questioning the viability of spacers, also considering at times when using spacers, i would find the axles on some trucks to be too short (ex. indy stage 11 109s--once i took the spacers out, the bearings fully seated and now the wheels have some play when the axle nut isnt cranked down all the way). Until the day that all skateboard wheel mfgs decide to use a standardized bearing seat spacing that is the same size as bearing spacers, they will only work to their potential some times.
I fuck with the spacers & washers, since I went back that way my setup feels more solid and less rattley and my smith grinds lock in so much more often. maybe it's psycological but I'm landing certain tricks (mostly out of grinds) more frequently than I used too.
The spacers and washers are to allow the bearings to work together instead of individual and when you tighten the wheels down the bolt is flush to the end of the nut.
Spacers for sure, it keeps the weight on the inner rings instead of it putting pressure on other parts of the bearing. Plus you can tighten your bolts all the way down. If you have wheels that don't have the correct spacing is when the spacers are rattle and they are useless. Hate it when bearings don't come with spacers.
@@trupiil I rode spitfire conical fulls with andale pro rated swiss bearings (spacers included) and found them to be the most silent/least rattly sounding wheel setup i've ever had... Its both my first experience with andale bearings as well as the first time i've used spacers in decades soo I don't know if, its the "swiss" tolerances of the bearings, the use of spacers or just a general character trait of andale bearings but i've never experience quieter bearings in all my years of skateboarding ( started at 7 and going on 31 in a couple months) I can say for certain, coming from bones v3 wheels with bones super reds without the use of any spacers, to the above described setup the difference has been night and day and im now a spitfire convert and also a huge fan of Andale swiss bearings, Andale pro rated swiss bearing/P.Rod swiss bearings will be my go to for the for seeable future. All that said, of course I cant speak on the use of spacers in conjunction with slimmer profile spitfire wheels like the tablets, classics, or radial slims but conical fulls had no issues with spacers in my experience.
@@TysonHook-22- maybe your spacers are slimmer than the ones I had, I think it was bones. My spacers were too wide and did not let both bearings touchthe inner core of the wheel. They did not fit. And as axle slip is not happening nowadays - I remember it was a constant battle back in the late 90s to bump your axle back into place - spacers are not needed. They are only functional if the axle slip is applying sideways force on the bearing. If you wear your wheels with a little space to the nut and axle you dont need spacers nowadays.
@@trupiil No doubt, ive not tried any Bones spacers yet. I dont use spacers out of a concern of axle slippage, for me personally I just like the solid feeling that spacers provide and what I perceive to be increased durability of my bearings. imo spacers just tie everything together, it makes your wheels, bearings and trucks truly feel like one solid component working in full unison together rather then just being a bunch of separate parts and its for sure no joke the extreme forces and pressures that we exert on bearings as skateboarders, so in my mind a little extra support/bracing through the use of spacers whenever possible cant hurt much in the long run. The way I see it, spacers essentially add a bit of structural integrity to your bearings... one could make the comparison that using spacers vs no spacers is like building a wall with studs vs a wall without studs... ones gonna be much more solid and durable then the other. And so far in my case, i've found that the use of spacer does in fact help to increase the durability of my bearings, but I understand its not a necessity to use spacers nowadays, especially among pros getting flowed an endless supply of bearings but personally im on the spacer train and been enjoying the ride so far haha
Totally agree with Rog, i rock spacers with washer on the inside and outside, also i agree when Rog said MagLights bc those are my current trucks! Light trucks rule
Yo I love skating and every time you guys starting talking about filming/photography it’s just icing on the cake. Thinking about hopping back in the scene but behind the cam. Keep it up 👍🏿.
From experience as a car mechanic I would assume the spacers function has the same purpose on either mobeel...skateboard or car, although is also referred to as a crush tube. It's to prevent over tightening of the bearings. And the washer provides a machined flat surface for bearing inner race to butt up against on both bearings but also does the same shits for the nut to mate against spreading tension load evenly. Basically spacers stop bearings being squashed fuct no hand job and washers are an aid for same deal...done right the result should be a true straight wheel, safe bearings that last and dont shift....potentially a few great impromptu wristys on a Tuesday arvo...good to go. Peace.
Vary well stated, I dont use spacers for the axle slippage reason Rog cites... I began using spacers for the exact reasons you described, to me the use of speedrings and spacers brings everything together... trucks, wheels and bearings as one solid feeling unit/component, rather then a bunch of separate individual components... with all the excessive side to side forces and pressure skateboarding exerts on bearings in my mind it simply makes sense to use available components such as speedrings and bearing spacers, to aid in directing such forces and pressures directly to the bearings inner race, rather then the bearing shields and shell/casing.
8:38 I do this all the time. I try to identify exactly why the trick went wrong. But I don't do it to make excuses, I do it to reinforce what I'm doing wrong in my head so that I don't do it the next time I try.
The fact that this crazy group of legends display such incredibly little knowledge about bushings and trucks makes me realise I really need to get the hell over my truck madness.
2 rings on the inside of the wheel and 1 ring on the outside of the wheel. It maximizes the track width of your wheels and the axle nut usually ends up perfectly flush with the axle to keep the threads protected and there isn't to much back and forth slop with the wheel.
Spacers make alot of sense when going downhill 30 mph + and turning/sliding the bearings want to twist and pull, spacers mitigate the torque on the bearings. For everyday street skating I dont see the point. If your bombing hills I *highly* reccomend using spacers.
Or when your wheel gets hit in certain angles, certain pressures at certain angles could push the outside of the bearing at different angles from the inside. I feel like putting in spacers helps with loss of speed issues. I was trying it without for a while and just some in and felt a difference
By the way, the biggest factor in how a wheel responds in tricks has to do ALL with the contact surface area. Not the shape of the wheel, because the forces applied would make the board spin pretty much no matter what. The real friction comes from the contact surface area (which in some wheels is narrow, it others is very wide). And Bones wheels are kind of 'sticky' anyway, compared to like Spitfires F4. (Not knocking Bones wheels, they're great.)
Yes contact patch is a big factor for trickability and general ride comfort but the side wall/edge shape is a major factor too. You could take two of the same sized wheels with the same contact patch but with different edges... 1 set squared, 1 set rounded and you for sure will feel a noticeable difference in flickability/board response between the two wheel shapes.
My park setup, i only use soeed rings. That board gets new bearings once a year, and my steeet setup has every washer and spacer, because it actually gets me past 20mph regularly. Park setup, im staying around 10mph. So it makes no sense to get light stuff to add weight.
@@32srt32 I agree they should. For me it's the goldilocks point with the mix. I found medium too squishy at 200 pounds I even blew out a top. The hard on top keeps my trucks straight but turn great. I also only have to keep the nut flush or 1 thread showing on the kingpin instead of really tightened. I've seen other skaters with the same mix just switched the other way.
Bones bearings dont even come with spacers anymore. The last three packs of Super Reds i've bought didn't have them. not that I wanted them in the first place lol, but i remember them coming withe spacers before. but yeah I havent had an axle slip since Grind Kings in like 2002.
The washer keeps the nut from backing off from over time. I’ve been the victim of losing my nut multiple times. As for the spacer in the middle of the two bearings the way I’ve thought about it and been told by others is say you do a power side and your bearings shift with that space you have, without the spacer in there, your bearings can get crooked in the wheel and wear them out and slow the board down. But with the spacer in there it keeps everything in alignment and will not let it shift around inside the wheel.
The tiny truck axle/wheel washers I believe your referring too are know as speedring washers, they are not lock nut washers... they are simply there for reducing the friction between your trucks and bearings ... the speedrings serve the exact same purpose as spacers but on the outside of the bearings, rather then in-between the bearings... the speedrings redirect the side to side pressures of skateboarding to the inner race (center of the bearing) rather then putting pressure directly against the shields, which causes excess friction and wear. Using bearing spacers + speedrings will make everything feel more solid and durable and of course prolong the life of your bearings overall.
Just a thought. If you're a street skater you only skate in straight lines for the most part so a spacer isn't needed? If you're a bowl skater pushing hard through turns you absolutely need spacers to stop the wheels slowing down through side loads on the bearings? Side loads acting like a axle nut that's too tight, stopping that wheel from spinning. Like braking through the corners?
I started trying different wb and different trucks but I just love Tensor mag light Atg mids with a 14" wb are my setup. Everything else just can't get it to feel right.
Maglights rule them all. They can be a bit daunting to switch to from heavier trucks... but if you put the time in and adapt to the lightness, turning and slick grinding, they can yield you some major benefits... but I fully understand stakers like Kelly and Dubz who argue they need the additional weight in there trucks to flick there tricks properly, muscle memory doesnt change overnight and maglights are such a unique truck in the industry its just not as easy to switch to and instantly benefit from, as it is switching back and fourth between other brands that are generally vary similarly designed to one another, infact if your vary accustomed to heavier trucks and switch to some nice new maglights your surely gonna experience a week or two of feeling like you lost all your tricks... which results in a lot of cursing and hating of maglights trucks but as your muscle memory adapts to the maglights they only get better and better imho.
@@TysonHook-22- wish they made them in a 9" truck for my old school street setups! Ya they flip well cuz they are light but they are the one truck you wont have to worry about hanging up on a grind, butter smooth.
Washers on the inside and outside of a wheel + bearing are mostly just there to prevent unnecessary friction (mostly on the inside of the truck). I heard some people argue that no washer on the outside can cause your bearing to loosen up the nut on the wheel, but I don't know how likely that is. From my experience nuts don't get loose that easily, especially on trucks that have hit the concrete and aren't flawless in thread / shape anymore. Shrugs. But I'd say there's a reason most things that have a nut, also have a washer underneath. :)
Ever since I bought mine Own trucks I use my spacers I haven’t really blew out a bearing since I use them. And I’ve been skating Bronson’s for a while now that’s two years actually.
round edged wheels make crooked grinds easier that is my experience. And it makes sense when you slide on that rounded part. If that part is cut, it catches more resistance.
@@elicalvo3446 I was on bones v3 its the slim ones and worn down their edge was sharp and my crook was lost as well. The first day I set up spitfire classics f4 with rounded edges my crooked was just there like never gone. But spacers dont fit into spitfires and now I'm happy without spacers, less rattling sound, more pure sound.
He basically said the bearings shields get pressed in, makes contact with the balls, and will slow you down. Like disk brakes on a car, or bicycle brakes. They press in and friction makes it slow down.
I've noticed a lot of older skaters who are shorter going for bigger, higher set-ups achieve their steadier pop out of seniority. Not that its bad but it makes sense.
Trying to go back to spitfire classics after skating tablets and more rectangle wheels was fucked , couldn't do it my flips just felt less structured and squirly on rounded wheels
Spacers have to be the exact width of the bearing seat on your wheels to work properly. If that spacer is jiggling around in the wheel, the spacer will do you no good. Also axles from reputable truck companies don’t slip anymore so that argument is invalid. Not sure about tensor though 😂
Roger is 100% correct however this is old outdated concerns. Axle slipping is really a thing of the past unless you have a real garbage truck like independent or royal. In general axles really do not slip anymore. It's much more likely that the nut on the edge of the axle will catch the ground and spin slightly tighter from landing primo or something and that will tighten up on your wheel so using spacers as well as the inner slide is necessary also. Clean the goddamn axles. You guys spend all this time cleaning your bearings clean the fucking axles... That is all.
The Bones Bushings come with their own washers though... Also, I had the Bones Bushings Medium get destroyed pretty much the first week I was riding them. And the medium are pretty soft really. I had the same issue with them always being too loose (the white yellow ones) no matter how tight the trucks are. Yet for some reason people seem to love these medium ones. In my opinion they are softer than most stock bushings in trucks. So, I'd probably prefer the black ones, but haven't tried them yet. _Definitely_ still good bushings, even the yellow white ones, just don't quite get the 'hype'.
If they get smashed in like chris is saying it means you need bones hard. Soft bushings are not meant to have the kingpin nut cranked down so much. Bones medium are like others soft. They never used to have a washer, mine would always break after a week too but the plastic ring would crack open once it took impact
I am like that, in 2016 I had the best baker terry Kennedy 8.38 board now I got a blank 8.25 board and when I don’t land tricks I go “if I was riding that board I’ll land this trick. I gotta ride a 8.38
How much better could These dudes be, if they would Setup their boards correct? Two washers on the inside, no spacers. Loosing 5% Performance Bones bottom bushings always blow up. I use the Standard bushing towards the baseplate and the bones bushings towards hanger. Try out perfekt Setup. No broken washers or bushings till the last day
Hey that's my board I ride right there behind kelly. Orchard Shop Pressed In Boston. American Wood is #1. The M1 shape is a tre flip/impossible machine. The 8.25 has a 14" WB. Perfect deck for Venture/thunder. M2 shape is like 14.2 so industry standard shape and size. I ride loopholes and Ventures. Sometimes Ace if it's really frickin cold out. My main madness after my bearings is buy american stuff as much as possible. Rolling fast is always most important. Okeeee. I'm so frickin stoned right now.
Mag lights all day baby...and bones should definetly make barrel bushings like doh dohs does because they are great but the shape just doesn't last as long as the barrel shape even if you get the hards. Doh Dohs hards last longer for me.
Do a episode on the SPACERS, like show it and everything, because I remember them from back in the day and its true what Raj is saying.... do an episode!
lol @ skaters who think they know more than manufacturers of the products their buying. Do you really think companies like to produce useless components of their products?
Axles don't even shift anymore!!!!! The only way spacers actually do anything is if you crank them tight so they actually engage. I stopped using spacers a while ago and don't notice any difference in longevity or performance of my bearings. The only thing I have noticed is my wheels tend to vibrate a little more when powersliding without them. I also like to leave a little slack in my wheels because I have noticed they seize up sometimes if I don't due to temperature changes(with or without spacers).
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I love seeing that your just as interested in the nine clubs board setup segments as the rest of us skate rats are haha... through it makes sense since your kinda a huge part as to why soo many of us take a deep interest into the specifics of board setups... You and schmitt tend to dive the deepest into the "science" of setups, why things work and why things dont... id love to see you and Schmitt collab together in the future, maybe you could have the prof. fine tune your setup to you, would be interesting to see how your personal conclusion of what works best for you varies or matches Prof. Schmitt outcome.
also I've gotta ask the question... do you tend to/try to, watch all of these board setup segments that the nineclub does? or were you just extra interested in knowing Joslins setup?
Also gotta say, you should watch the nineclub "live" stream premieres (thurs nights)
The chat would for sure get a kick of seeing you pop into the live stream for a watch along/discussion and the nineclubs boys tend to be in the live chat as well answering questions and interacting with the fans each week too, since the shows are pre-recorded the day before.
oh sht its ben!
I'm a simple man. I see a Ben Degros comment on a different channel, I like before i even read it.
Roger is 100% correct about the bearings and such.
Nah, the spacers would only work the way that rog thinks they will work, is if the bearing spacer is the exact same width as the bearing seat of the wheel, any discrepancy in the distance of the bearing seat and the spacers will mean when you go to tighten your axle nut all the way down, if the spacer is too short, the bearings will misalign and the balls will be riding in the outside edge of the bearing raceway (making ur bearing roll crusty), and the same if they’re too long, the balls will roll on the inside of the raceway, also if a bearing spins good having the inner race spin around the axle aswell as the bearing itself spinning normal will just result in the wheel spinnin longer, even if u have bones wheels and bones bearings with bones spacers, if u measures the bearing seat and the spacers, they wouldnt be the exact same cause bearing seat width and bearing spacer width isnt standardised
@@CARMENTENSHI This. This is 100% spot on. I feel like Roger googled what bearing spacers are for someday and it blew his mind. But yes, these measurements are not standardized and they can be off by like a milimeter pretty often. Most of the times I've noticed the spacer being longer than the gap in the wheel
@@CARMENTENSHI
Gotta have a selection.
Bones are tight
loopholes are loose
Spit seems to be on time every time for the standard bones spacer.
If your spacers rattling that's no good. Put a third speed ring inside the wheel with the spacer temporarily but it may harm your swiss.
Reds or the Bronson fuck it who cares.
It's a good temp fix.
@@CARMENTENSHI So does that mean it (unfortunately) is better not to put spacers between the bearings?
Here, here!
Kelly doesn't realize his thunder 147s are already light
Lol but he likes standard
It amazes me that jumpers don't swear by bearing spacers...
I'll admit I just started using bearing spacers this past summer, I believe after hearing Rog speak about their benefits but since making the switch, I can't go without them nowadays.
It really makes everything so much more solid and imho smoother feeling/riding but the smoother part could be a bit of a placebo effect... but as far as solidness it for sure really makes a difference, spacers just bring everything together... it makes your wheels, bearings and trucks truly feel like one solid component rather then a bunch of various components, essentially they add structural support/bracing to your bearings.
A simple test to show the benefit is that, if you fully tighten your axle nut down with bearing spacers in your wheels, your wheel can still spin freely (It'll of course slow down the spin of your wheels the tighter you crank the axle nut but your wheels will still always spin as long as you've got spacers in place)
Verses if you tighten the nut to much without spacers your gonna lock the wheel up.
Also imo wheel setup is simplified with spacers and results in much more consistent tolerances as far as tightness to looseness ratio aka the amount of play/side to side movement of each of your wheels...
The way I do it is, I crank the axle nut all the way down and then loosen a quarter turn or less... essentially just enough that the wheels spin full speed/unrestricted and with the least amount of side to side play, it works perfect everytime...
The same method can be done without spacers too, but without them you can over tighten the axle nut damaging the bearing shields and you'll generally have inconsistent varying results from wheel to wheel, the bearing spacers kinda act as a stopper to prevent excessive over tightening since the bearings aren't able to compress inwards nearly as much with a spacer set inbetween them... because you've essentially added structural support/bracing to your bearings with the use of spacers.
Even after just a single season using them, I've got no doubt that spacers increase the durability/life span of bearings and I've personally experienced nothing but positive benefits since I started using them.
A little food for thought... Speedring washers serve the exact same purpose as bearing spacers but on the outside of the bearings, rather then in-between the bearings...
the speedrings redirect the constant side to side pressures of skateboarding and the axle nuts pressure/truck hanger friction directly to the inner race (center of the bearing) rather then putting that pressure against the shields, which of course causes excess friction and wear.
Using bearing spacers + speedrings will make everything feel more solid and durable and of course prolong the life of your bearings 100% no doubts about it... as Prof. Paul Schmitt would say, "It's Science!"
This! 👌
Yo they dont work, i had a long talk with a dude recently about them at a hockey place, this dudes been around like hes probably rebuilt and dealt with bearings way way way more than i have or anyone i know has, most skaters are like yeah man whatever with it, this dude had shit down to a science. First off we talked about swiss 6 ball vs normal swiss, 6 ball are better according to him. This dude also skated to, so he wasnt some idiot, but he said urethane molds around the bearings and moves they never will sit perfectly in place and having some give is actually a good thing. And spacers also dont even fit in alot of types of wheels, i have autobahn slims they straight up dont fit in, they didnt fit in my other 51 autobahns either. Nobody ever ever put these in. I remember throughout the entire 2000s, and 2010s people talked how spacers dont do anything, now all of a sudden in 2020 theres some new evidence out there. The truth is the best tech skaters i know who pivoted and twisted there boards around the most, ladd, prod, none of those dudes rocked spacers. I remember actually once vaguely hearing someone in the skateshop say the were for longboards or something. Idk, i never used them, nobody did throughout skatings biggest progressive era's the science isnt anything insane to figure out. If they made that much of a difference, bearings would come with spacers automatically on them, ive seen them before. And nobody really buys them its some sideline unknown company.
@@profo4544 Did this dude also tell you hockey helmets dont work? or is that only skateboard helmets...
Bearing spacers function vary well in skateboard wheels. As long as the spacer fits in the center of the wheel then they provide a noticeable difference in structural support.
Its a fact that with spacers you can tighten your wheels down more securely without hindering the mobility of the wheels... this is a good thing, this is providing true structural support...which typically equates to strength... a securely fitted bearing on a axle is gonna be far stronger and perform superior to one thats loose and rattling around on the axle or shaft... a bearing properly secured in place is going to function as its designed to... these are simple mechanical facts.
Its not that in 2020 new information emerged about bearing spacers... its just that some of us started experimenting with actually using those odd little things called bearing spacers and noticed they actually have a function... we can assume they were invented for a reason by someone much smarter then you and I... you know, someone that likely had an actual engineering degree and understood the benefits a simple little bearing spacer could provide.
Lets just think about it logically for a second now... do you think its good for the heavy machinery in factories to have bearings that have "some give" and are loose and rattling around along the axle/ shaft that they are suppose to be secured too?...
answer obviously not! things are tightly fixed in place and the bearing itself spins on a precise rotational axis... it is not shifting and wobbly around willy-nilly, bearings are meant to be supported in place.
Would you consider it a good thing if a mechanic decided to leave "some give" and just a little wiggle play on your car tire axle nuts? or would you rather them be securely toqued down to the manufacturers ft/lb specs.
I mean, Its name literally describes itself...the term "bearing" is derived from the verb "to bear"; a bearing being a machine element that allows one part to bear (i.e., to support) another.
A bearing is a machine element that "constrains relative motion to only the desired motion and reduces friction between moving parts."
"The most sophisticated bearings for the most demanding applications are very precise components; their manufacture requires some of the highest standards of current technology"
You're not experiencing the full performance of a bearings structural support and reduction in friction, with bearings that are loose and wobbling around freely along the axle/shaft... this is simple mechanic engineering 101
So again, its a simple fact that skateboard bearings used in conjunction with spacers perform better, as it allows the bearings to perform as their intended to by design.
But yes, if you want to believe that skateboarders know more about bearings then machinist that engineer and use bearings for some of the most precise machinery and industrial instruments around the world... go right ahead.
Sure, there is arguments to be made that the forces and stresses skateboarders put on bearings is far beyond there intended purpose... but again, Id argue "some give" and axle wheel play is more of a performance hinderance, rather then a benefit that most skaters believe it to be.
If the skate industry cared/if the consumers pushed hard enough... they could make spacers that fit all wheel types easily... technically the wheel companies should provide spacers with the wheels themselves that would be most ideal and the most logical.
my guess is that there would probably only be a few spacer sizes across an entire wheel line, if not just like 2... a slim spacer and a wide spacer.
@@TysonHook-22- They straight up dont fit on some wheels, i have tho. they straight up dont fit in slims I own right now. There to wide. Same case for alot of wheels either the wheels have the bearings spaced to close, or some have them to far far apart and it can shake side to side the spacer.., not all wheels they event fit onto.
Put the bong down
The purpose of spacers in bearings is also to transfer energy on impact (instead of destroying either the bearings directly or the wheel itself). Very underrated thing about them, as it can actually safe bearings in terms of lifespan.
Damn...... i never knew that i thought it was just for better stability but you opened my eyes on that
@@medievalshadows2836 thisbis only relevant, if you skate with the wheels tighted so it's all engaged.
while the idea of using spacers and washers is ideal, the real truth is that a lot of wheels don't have enough clearance between the bearing seats. i went through all my setups (4 zip/zig zingers/zaggers with soft wheels (OJ mini super juice 55mm, OJ super juice 60mm, Bones ATF 56mm and these old Deathwish death times 58mm?), Spitfire Formula Four classic 52mm, Spitfire Formula Four Lil Smokeys Classic 50mm, Spitfire Formula Four Lil Smokeys Tablet 50mm, and Pig Prime 52mm. I used to use spacers all the time but what mainly got my attention was when i skated the 50mm formula fours as i noticed the bearings would not fully press into the seats. at that point i started questioning the viability of spacers, also considering at times when using spacers, i would find the axles on some trucks to be too short (ex. indy stage 11 109s--once i took the spacers out, the bearings fully seated and now the wheels have some play when the axle nut isnt cranked down all the way). Until the day that all skateboard wheel mfgs decide to use a standardized bearing seat spacing that is the same size as bearing spacers, they will only work to their potential some times.
I fuck with the spacers & washers, since I went back that way my setup feels more solid and less rattley and my smith grinds lock in so much more often. maybe it's psycological but I'm landing certain tricks (mostly out of grinds) more frequently than I used too.
The spacers and washers are to allow the bearings to work together instead of individual and when you tighten the wheels down the bolt is flush to the end of the nut.
As a street skater born in 2000's, i rock spacers and washers every goddamn day of my life
Skating without washers is loose goose city
Spacers for sure, it keeps the weight on the inner rings instead of it putting pressure on other parts of the bearing. Plus you can tighten your bolts all the way down. If you have wheels that don't have the correct spacing is when the spacers are rattle and they are useless. Hate it when bearings don't come with spacers.
Rodgers right about the washers and the spacers ive destroyed alot of bearings not using them. Listen to him
true ride washer ride the best
spacers do not fit in spitfire wheels, that is my experience. So i left them out and I like the lack of rattle sound now.
@@trupiil I rode spitfire conical fulls with andale pro rated swiss bearings (spacers included) and found them to be the most silent/least rattly sounding wheel setup i've ever had...
Its both my first experience with andale bearings as well as the first time i've used spacers in decades soo I don't know if, its the "swiss" tolerances of the bearings, the use of spacers or just a general character trait of andale bearings but i've never experience quieter bearings in all my years of skateboarding ( started at 7 and going on 31 in a couple months)
I can say for certain, coming from bones v3 wheels with bones super reds without the use of any spacers, to the above described setup the difference has been night and day and im now a spitfire convert and also a huge fan of Andale swiss bearings, Andale pro rated swiss bearing/P.Rod swiss bearings will be my go to for the for seeable future.
All that said, of course I cant speak on the use of spacers in conjunction with slimmer profile spitfire wheels like the tablets, classics, or radial slims but conical fulls had no issues with spacers in my experience.
@@TysonHook-22- maybe your spacers are slimmer than the ones I had, I think it was bones. My spacers were too wide and did not let both bearings touchthe inner core of the wheel. They did not fit. And as axle slip is not happening nowadays - I remember it was a constant battle back in the late 90s to bump your axle back into place - spacers are not needed. They are only functional if the axle slip is applying sideways force on the bearing. If you wear your wheels with a little space to the nut and axle you dont need spacers nowadays.
@@trupiil No doubt, ive not tried any Bones spacers yet.
I dont use spacers out of a concern of axle slippage, for me personally I just like the solid feeling that spacers provide and what I perceive to be increased durability of my bearings.
imo spacers just tie everything together, it makes your wheels, bearings and trucks truly feel like one solid component working in full unison together rather then just being a bunch of separate parts and its for sure no joke the extreme forces and pressures that we exert on bearings as skateboarders, so in my mind a little extra support/bracing through the use of spacers whenever possible cant hurt much in the long run.
The way I see it, spacers essentially add a bit of structural integrity to your bearings... one could make the comparison that using spacers vs no spacers is like building a wall with studs vs a wall without studs... ones gonna be much more solid and durable then the other.
And so far in my case, i've found that the use of spacer does in fact help to increase the durability of my bearings, but I understand its not a necessity to use spacers nowadays, especially among pros getting flowed an endless supply of bearings but personally im on the spacer train and been enjoying the ride so far haha
I'm with Roger on that bearing spacers & washers stuff 👍🏻
Totally agree with Rog, i rock spacers with washer on the inside and outside, also i agree when Rog said MagLights bc those are my current trucks! Light trucks rule
So interesting information!! Thank you!!
Im one of those people loosing my mind with my set up right now. 🤣 🤯
Yo I love skating and every time you guys starting talking about filming/photography it’s just icing on the cake. Thinking about hopping back in the scene but behind the cam. Keep it up 👍🏿.
Do it!!!!
Spacers are needed for sliding soft wheels; they reduce the torsional flex in the wheel to reduce chatter/choppyness in the slide.
15:14 Kelly is hilarious without even knowing. and Rog's response was A1.
Joslins a beast
Always riding with spacers and always got a few extra with me every street sesh.
From experience as a car mechanic I would assume the spacers function has the same purpose on either mobeel...skateboard or car, although is also referred to as a crush tube. It's to prevent over tightening of the bearings. And the washer provides a machined flat surface for bearing inner race to butt up against on both bearings but also does the same shits for the nut to mate against spreading tension load evenly. Basically spacers stop bearings being squashed fuct no hand job and washers are an aid for same deal...done right the result should be a true straight wheel, safe bearings that last and dont shift....potentially a few great impromptu wristys on a Tuesday arvo...good to go. Peace.
Vary well stated, I dont use spacers for the axle slippage reason Rog cites... I began using spacers for the exact reasons you described, to me the use of speedrings and spacers brings everything together... trucks, wheels and bearings as one solid feeling unit/component, rather then a bunch of separate individual components... with all the excessive side to side forces and pressure skateboarding exerts on bearings in my mind it simply makes sense to use available components such as speedrings and bearing spacers, to aid in directing such forces and pressures directly to the bearings inner race, rather then the bearing shields and shell/casing.
8:38 I do this all the time. I try to identify exactly why the trick went wrong. But I don't do it to make excuses, I do it to reinforce what I'm doing wrong in my head so that I don't do it the next time I try.
The fact that this crazy group of legends display such incredibly little knowledge about bushings and trucks makes me realise I really need to get the hell over my truck madness.
Truck madness will take the fun out of skating 😂
Some of the best skaters in the world still call their wheels "tires"
@@GorillaBiscuitz they also refer to their wheels and bearings as “pairs” 😂
Kids Indy titanium are 53.5 mm, Indy standard are 55mm, and Indy mid are 52mm tall.
So the standards are the highs, forged are the mids and the mids are actually the lows.
2 rings on the inside of the wheel and 1 ring on the outside of the wheel. It maximizes the track width of your wheels and the axle nut usually ends up perfectly flush with the axle to keep the threads protected and there isn't to much back and forth slop with the wheel.
I used to do that with 149 trucks on 8.5 board! or put 3 washer inside and no washer outside
Exactly what I do
More board set ups I’m begging you
Spacers make alot of sense when going downhill 30 mph + and turning/sliding the bearings want to twist and pull, spacers mitigate the torque on the bearings. For everyday street skating I dont see the point. If your bombing hills I *highly* reccomend using spacers.
That is a good point about the yellow part of the bones bushings. I've blown them out before that same way.
I love this in depth talks
That bones bushings washer belongs under the bottom bushing. Amazing only Professor Schmitt pointed this out
Love the spacer chat!
Still skating 90's green bushing Venture Featherlites..
ishod has already cracked all this shit in his episode lol. that guy is a genius
I remember having to tap my axles on the curb from where they slipped...
I use them. Bones swiss. Rog is correct having that one contained unit is sweet.
Or when your wheel gets hit in certain angles, certain pressures at certain angles could push the outside of the bearing at different angles from the inside. I feel like putting in spacers helps with loss of speed issues. I was trying it without for a while and just some in and felt a difference
Bring the board setups back !!
I pretty much only skate flat, but I still blow those bones bushings out pretty quick. Even the hard ones
By the way, the biggest factor in how a wheel responds in tricks has to do ALL with the contact surface area. Not the shape of the wheel, because the forces applied would make the board spin pretty much no matter what. The real friction comes from the contact surface area (which in some wheels is narrow, it others is very wide). And Bones wheels are kind of 'sticky' anyway, compared to like Spitfires F4. (Not knocking Bones wheels, they're great.)
Yes contact patch is a big factor for trickability and general ride comfort but the side wall/edge shape is a major factor too.
You could take two of the same sized wheels with the same contact patch but with different edges... 1 set squared, 1 set rounded and you for sure will feel a noticeable difference in flickability/board response between the two wheel shapes.
I've just come back to skating after 10 years and am loosing my mind with my set up as the norm has changed so much in that time haha
Same
Same dude
My park setup, i only use soeed rings. That board gets new bearings once a year, and my steeet setup has every washer and spacer, because it actually gets me past 20mph regularly. Park setup, im staying around 10mph. So it makes no sense to get light stuff to add weight.
13:53 priceless rahjjjj
Yea dude is talking to much
@@forgot2wipe na brotha Rahj is the man lol
i started rocking medium bones bushings on the bottom an hard on top.
How well does it work, mediums are too squishy and hards are too hard. Bones needs to make a bottom barrel bushing instead of a cone.
@@32srt32 I agree they should. For me it's the goldilocks point with the mix. I found medium too squishy at 200 pounds I even blew out a top. The hard on top keeps my trucks straight but turn great. I also only have to keep the nut flush or 1 thread showing on the kingpin instead of really tightened. I've seen other skaters with the same mix just switched the other way.
I rock the spacers
Bones medium bushings bones easy streets 52 mm bronson g3 bearings with spacers...
Edit: venture lo lites (hollow kingpin)
Bones bearings dont even come with spacers anymore. The last three packs of Super Reds i've bought didn't have them. not that I wanted them in the first place lol, but i remember them coming withe spacers before. but yeah I havent had an axle slip since Grind Kings in like 2002.
What’s a axle slip
The washer keeps the nut from backing off from over time. I’ve been the victim of losing my nut multiple times. As for the spacer in the middle of the two bearings the way I’ve thought about it and been told by others is say you do a power side and your bearings shift with that space you have, without the spacer in there, your bearings can get crooked in the wheel and wear them out and slow the board down. But with the spacer in there it keeps everything in alignment and will not let it shift around inside the wheel.
The tiny truck axle/wheel washers I believe your referring too are know as speedring washers, they are not lock nut washers... they are simply there for reducing the friction between your trucks and bearings ... the speedrings serve the exact same purpose as spacers but on the outside of the bearings, rather then in-between the bearings... the speedrings redirect the side to side pressures of skateboarding to the inner race (center of the bearing) rather then putting pressure directly against the shields, which causes excess friction and wear.
Using bearing spacers + speedrings will make everything feel more solid and durable and of course prolong the life of your bearings overall.
Just a thought. If you're a street skater you only skate in straight lines for the most part so a spacer isn't needed? If you're a bowl skater pushing hard through turns you absolutely need spacers to stop the wheels slowing down through side loads on the bearings? Side loads acting like a axle nut that's too tight, stopping that wheel from spinning. Like braking through the corners?
Me wondering if I bigflips are harder since I’ve been riding squared wheels for years
I started trying different wb and different trucks but I just love Tensor mag light Atg mids with a 14" wb are my setup. Everything else just can't get it to feel right.
Maglights rule them all.
They can be a bit daunting to switch to from heavier trucks...
but if you put the time in and adapt to the lightness, turning and slick grinding, they can yield you some major benefits...
but I fully understand stakers like Kelly and Dubz who argue they need the additional weight in there trucks to flick there tricks properly, muscle memory doesnt change overnight and maglights are such a unique truck in the industry its just not as easy to switch to and instantly benefit from, as it is switching back and fourth between other brands that are generally vary similarly designed to one another, infact if your vary accustomed to heavier trucks and switch to some nice new maglights your surely gonna experience a week or two of feeling like you lost all your tricks... which results in a lot of cursing and hating of maglights trucks but as your muscle memory adapts to the maglights they only get better and better imho.
@@TysonHook-22- wish they made them in a 9" truck for my old school street setups! Ya they flip well cuz they are light but they are the one truck you wont have to worry about hanging up on a grind, butter smooth.
Washers on the inside and outside of a wheel + bearing are mostly just there to prevent unnecessary friction (mostly on the inside of the truck). I heard some people argue that no washer on the outside can cause your bearing to loosen up the nut on the wheel, but I don't know how likely that is. From my experience nuts don't get loose that easily, especially on trucks that have hit the concrete and aren't flawless in thread / shape anymore. Shrugs. But I'd say there's a reason most things that have a nut, also have a washer underneath. :)
Ever since I bought mine Own trucks I use my spacers I haven’t really blew out a bearing since I use them. And I’ve been skating Bronson’s for a while now that’s two years actually.
Made alot of sense with the round wheels!
round edged wheels make crooked grinds easier that is my experience. And it makes sense when you slide on that rounded part. If that part is cut, it catches more resistance.
@@trupiil it never occurred to me iv been on on conicals for a while and lost my crook.
@@elicalvo3446 I was on bones v3 its the slim ones and worn down their edge was sharp and my crook was lost as well. The first day I set up spitfire classics f4 with rounded edges my crooked was just there like never gone. But spacers dont fit into spitfires and now I'm happy without spacers, less rattling sound, more pure sound.
@@trupiil really glad i watched this part. Also lost my 360 flip.
@@elicalvo3446 the gear madness nerds were right all along...
8:00 kelly is right lol that shit stresses me out used to love it when i was young tho lol
8:22 crobs having bad flashbacks
im with kelly! i need some resitance in my set up, feel more solid with regulare indys
He basically said the bearings shields get pressed in, makes contact with the balls, and will slow you down. Like disk brakes on a car, or bicycle brakes. They press in and friction makes it slow down.
I agree with the Bones bushings. I hate conical. I like the stability of regular full bottom bushing
I like how they all lost interest when he started talking about the spacers 😂
I've noticed a lot of older skaters who are shorter going for bigger, higher set-ups achieve their steadier pop out of seniority. Not that its bad but it makes sense.
Trying to go back to spitfire classics after skating tablets and more rectangle wheels was fucked , couldn't do it my flips just felt less structured and squirly on rounded wheels
Chris Joslin is Smart about Setups without Knowing which is Crazy as Hell
Me too l put that hollow and l still got them Taylor hollow and l have to change a regular Indys l need feel that heavy down there
I love when they break Roger.
Sir Roger is my morning lesson teacher Now ... I'm happy
Damn I always toss my spacers. Once I see one missing I toss all of em. I've been skating for 15 years and learn something new everyday.
Spacers have to be the exact width of the bearing seat on your wheels to work properly. If that spacer is jiggling around in the wheel, the spacer will do you no good. Also axles from reputable truck companies don’t slip anymore so that argument is invalid. Not sure about tensor though 😂
Spacers and washers are key. Just put them in.
It’s funny how the screen is set up in front of the microphone haha
Roger is 100% correct however this is old outdated concerns. Axle slipping is really a thing of the past unless you have a real garbage truck like independent or royal. In general axles really do not slip anymore. It's much more likely that the nut on the edge of the axle will catch the ground and spin slightly tighter from landing primo or something and that will tighten up on your wheel so using spacers as well as the inner slide is necessary also. Clean the goddamn axles. You guys spend all this time cleaning your bearings clean the fucking axles... That is all.
Did you just call indys garbage? 😂😂😂
Venture used to be blue.. now the lights lo have white bushings.. but I replace with bones medium bushings
I double washers on both sides it just runs flush and doesn't fuck up the axel
The spacer is getting the nut on the axle to stand off, so the axle itself wont die.
Rog just won't give up about spacers! FFS!
Roger is the fkn man ! but no way in hell I'm putting spacers in.
The Bones Bushings come with their own washers though... Also, I had the Bones Bushings Medium get destroyed pretty much the first week I was riding them. And the medium are pretty soft really. I had the same issue with them always being too loose (the white yellow ones) no matter how tight the trucks are. Yet for some reason people seem to love these medium ones. In my opinion they are softer than most stock bushings in trucks. So, I'd probably prefer the black ones, but haven't tried them yet. _Definitely_ still good bushings, even the yellow white ones, just don't quite get the 'hype'.
If they get smashed in like chris is saying it means you need bones hard. Soft bushings are not meant to have the kingpin nut cranked down so much. Bones medium are like others soft.
They never used to have a washer, mine would always break after a week too but the plastic ring would crack open once it took impact
I ride mine without the washer...
What size trucks?
Make more board setup videos 🎉
I am like that, in 2016 I had the best baker terry Kennedy 8.38 board now I got a blank 8.25 board and when I don’t land tricks I go “if I was riding that board I’ll land this trick. I gotta ride a 8.38
Chris Joslin 🎩👍⬅
This is the most skate nerd shit ever lol I love it
Have Fun Kelly 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
So weird not seeing rog but hearing him
Never been so early, love the nine club💪🏾
hey guys when talking about setups you should also talk about what they bring to the airport when they are travelling yayayayay
How much better could These dudes be, if they would Setup their boards correct?
Two washers on the inside, no spacers. Loosing 5% Performance
Bones bottom bushings always blow up.
I use the Standard bushing towards the baseplate and the bones bushings towards hanger.
Try out perfekt Setup. No broken washers or bushings till the last day
agreed on the half and half bushings
The 40 oz of Olde English behind Chris Roberts tho 👍
I concur with Rodge
For independent the white bushings are the softest🙃
Stage 11s
Hard to soft:
Black
Blue
Orange
Red
White
Rodger knows his shit! 🐐
Oh yo i also keep saying sorry when i bail or slam and not land a trick🤣
Hey that's my board I ride right there behind kelly.
Orchard Shop
Pressed In Boston. American Wood is #1.
The M1 shape is a tre flip/impossible machine.
The 8.25 has a 14" WB. Perfect deck for Venture/thunder. M2 shape is like 14.2 so industry standard shape and size.
I ride loopholes and Ventures. Sometimes Ace if it's really frickin cold out.
My main madness after my bearings is buy american stuff as much as possible.
Rolling fast is always most important.
Okeeee.
I'm so frickin stoned right now.
Idc
Rog is right about the spacers
Mag lights all day baby...and bones should definetly make barrel bushings like doh dohs does because they are great but the shape just doesn't last as long as the barrel shape even if you get the hards. Doh Dohs hards last longer for me.
Chris Joslin has some knowledge about physics in skating
Roger too
Doesn't have much knowledge about vaccines though lol.
@@BigFatCock0 i didn't hear his opinion on vaccines
@@BigFatCock0 how's your boosters going lol😂
I wanted to know if Joslin tried the dragon wheels.
Indy hard blue baby!
waiting for the part where he talks about how he injects liquid concrete into his decks
I'm like Jeron.. just lemme skate
Do a episode on the SPACERS, like show it and everything, because I remember them from back in the day and its true what Raj is saying.... do an episode!
lol @ skaters who think they know more than manufacturers of the products their buying. Do you really think companies like to produce useless components of their products?
Spacer Crew 4 life