The Bangles Live at KAABOO Del Mar 2019 (Full Concert)
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- @TheBanglesMusic performing at KAABOO Del Mar 2019 (September 15th 2019) in San Diego, California.
Recorded by the @SusannaHoffsFanChannel. Please give this channel credit if you re-upload this video or use footage from it. Thank you.
Personnel:
@OfficialSusannaHoffs - Guitar & Vocals.
Vicki Peterson - Guitar & Vocals.
Debbi Peterson - Drums, Guitar & Vocals.
Annette Zilinskas - Bass Guitar.
Dr. Meena Makhijani - Percussion
John Cowsill - Percussion.
Setlist:
0:00 - Soundcheck
1:19 - Hazy Shade of Winter
3:56 - Want You
6:23 - Manic Monday
9:39 - Introducing Annette Zilinskas
9:51 - Promoting Ladies & Gentlemen... The Bangles!
10:14 - Mary Street
13:01 - I'm In Line
16:05 - The Real World
18:38 - Introducing John Cowsill & Dr. Meena Makhijani
19:05 - Storytime with Susanna
20:01 - Going Down To Liverpool
23:43 - September Gurls
27:08 - He's Got A Secret
30:18 - If She Knew What She Wants
34:00 - Dover Beach
37:45 - In Your Room
41:00 - Hero Takes A Fall
45:44 - Walk Like An Egyptian
49:42 - Eternal Flame
Thank you & I hope you like & enjoy this video. ❤️🤗
#KAABOO #TheBangles #LiveConcert
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Love you Susanna and love the Bangles
I still in love
@@sandrabecht4489 they mean most online forums about the Bangles are swamped with guys perving on their looks and being sexist
Is your implication that mentioning that eg Susanna Hoffs is attractive makes you feel unsafe? Because if so lol 😂
All these years later and I'm still crushing on Susanna hoffs
Hey! She's mine! ❤ 😅
@@jaredhowe2847 Back off.......
your smoking crack.
Get in the queue dude
@@TimThatjajajaja, no peleando hay Susana para todos boys
I love the way this is just the 4 girls, no extra guitars and drummers, no backup chorus. Genuine musical talent. Hoffs is a real rhythm guitarist, palm muting, modulating with barre chords and everything else.
No doubt about it. Just like when the four of them met up in a garage in 1981. Obviously Vicki and Debbi were the only ones who knew each other, since they were sisters. They did the dirty work together. Going on some rough tours where stuff was being thrown at them and working the small clubs. They put out an awesome EP though. Almost 40 years later, they keep it going!
I'm glad you noticed that about Hoffs. She plays her guitar roll perfectly.
I like her choice of guitars
There are 2 extra percussionists, there's a backingtrack at least at 'Walk like an Egyptian' and the performance is far from flawless. Palm muting, modulating with barre chords is something every professional guitarist knows. But hey, if you like the concert... good for you.
sounds like you don't care for "garage bands" because they wont be "flawless". They don't have to be. @@spennyspy
The beauty of Susanna never fades. She is the Eternal Flame.
👍😃
Her beautiful voice is instantly recognizable. Love the band. Good old 80's
I appreciate you guys doing an actual live performance. No backing tracks. No tomfoolery. It’s so refreshing. ❤️
Debbi Peterson still rock solid on the drums. And no fake overdub. Still the real deal.
the rhythm section here is very solid! Really impressed with Annette as well. Considering she hasn't played bass in like 30 years. To just pick up all the songs and be that solid is impressive.
Rock solid? Well, not at 8:12 - 8:20 , 8:02 - 8:03 , around 8:33 wtf
It doesn't matter much for an act like the Bangles, but this is not solid (I know - could have been technical issues, Susanna Hoffs is obviously struggling with her in ear the whole time)
Agreed. Not just grooves and fills but specific to the recordings and lots of energy. Kit drumming is exhausting after the age of...pick a number. Great gig.🥁🎤
@@Retfie719hmmm… i’m a drummer, and I’m not hearing anything wonky with the rhythm section at those time stamps that you mentioned, other than the typical “song doesn’t sound exactly the same as the record because it’s live” thing.
Not sure what you are hearing (but if there is something going on, I’m listening on my phone and not through headphones or anything) it’s so minor nobody would tell.
Live music always going to have some hiccups, it’s all part of it. Much rather listen to a band playing live with some flubs than modern artists with backing / click tracks.
After all these years never heard anything negative about these girls. Role models in the rock and roll landscape. God bless them all.
I've gotten to meet Vicki and Annette quite a few times. Both do a lot of charity work for orphanages. You wont find two nicer people in the world. I think Debbi is just as nice, but she's more out of the spotlight. You make a great point. None of these ladies and that goes for Micki as well, has ever done anything to give the band a black eye or bad name.
💛
It's really amazing how a lot of these bands or musicians who are all strung out talk big. Cry about world peace or helping out. Then someone like the Bangles who have lived a clean lifestyle and actually do help out charities and those who need it. They don't try to talk big about it or just get a spotlight on them. These women are true role models like @edgarfrank5712 said. @@AmyProckingHard
They are amazing . Accomplished musicians . The blend of their voices is their sound . Thank you ladies for your talent and great music .
This old music is just awesome. To see the Bangles run full circle and have Annette back at the end of their career is just awesome! In 1981, four girls answered ads put out by Vicki and Susanna. They met in a California garage. Even though Annette left right before they hit it big, she comes back and joins them when Michael leaves. Here they are playing together again, almost 40 years after they first met up in a garage on a California night. That can't be said for a lot of bands. Much less one with four women. Thanks for the great music Susanna, Vicki, Debbi, and Annette. These ladies could be doing anything else they want to be, but are instead still playing great music! Don't forget, these four also made a new album together in 2018. The Paisley Underground. Great stuff.
Yes, they at the start were part of the 1st Paisley Underground Revival. Susanna Hoffs is very knowledgeable about music his/Herstory and could Easily be the Dept Head of any Modern Musicology University Dept! Bests, dtf
@@danthefan5378 Annette actually was part of two music movements at the same time. The Paisley Underground with the Bangles and the Cow Punk movement with her band Blood on the Saddle. She said she was trying to keep both going as long as possible, but both bands we're being looked at by labels. With touring and practice, it was going to be impossible to keep doing both. Opened up the door for Micki Steele to come in.
@@BangleGirlJulie Sweet! Thank You so much Julie! Bests, dtf
@@BangleGirlJulie Annette actually helped start a third band that was pretty famous and known as America's first Shoegaze band. Medicine. Her and Brad Laner got together one day and she wrote the lyrics to four songs, including "Aruca" that was on the Crow Soundtrack. That song is badass. Go check it out.
@@danthefan5378 Annette in Medicine. Her vocals on Sally go round the roses and Aruca is just awesome! th-cam.com/video/kdAloztRU4E/w-d-xo.html
Susanna Hoffs must have Alien blood. She hasn't aged a day since the 80's
Love the way she battles with the technical hitches and doesn't miss a beat, what a pro.
Uh, she has aged plenty. She's still hot, but she looks like she's in her 50s. That's ok. She has a degree from UC Berkeley in Dance, so she keeps in shape.
All Bangles look Great Vicki looks like she in her 40s love Bangles Still Rockin all these years 🤗🎶
Oh stop it. Of course she has aged, though gracefully.
And btw, this is not how any of them look in the morning.
She’s younger than Madonna, you know…
😂😅😂😅
Susanna is gorgeous, even at her age.
00:00:00 Hazy Shade of Winter
00:03:48 Want you
00:06:11 Manic Monday
00:09:27 Mary Street
00:12:50 I'm In Line
00:16:06 The Real World
00:18:37 Going Down to Liverpool
00:23:34 September Gurls
00:26:56 He's Got a Secret
00:29:56 If She Knew What She Wants
00:33:47 Dover Beach
00:37:42 In Your Room
00:41:00 Hero Takes a Fall
00:45:26 Walk Like An Egyptian
00:49:40 Eternal Flame
Susanna Hoffs (guitar and vocals)
Vicki Peterson (guitar and vocals)
Debbi Peterson (drums and vocals)
Annette Zilinskas (Bass)
All of them play and sound great for being in their 60's. The vocals are just bad ass. Even the bass player, Annette. She left to become a lead singer in several bands. I'm not even sure if she's picked up a bass in 30 plus years. She's solid.
Why are you listing the set?
And the members?
All that is IN the description above moron
Thanks.
Thank you for the SONG LIST ❤
This was 2019! It’s 2024! I know they are each doing their own thing but I wish they would get together again and tour again!
That was an amazing live performance. They can all still play and sing. I was even impressed with Annette coming back after 30 years away from the band a few years ago. She does a solid job. They still have amazing chemistry. Hard to believe these ladies are in their 60's now and still doing it so well.
What a beauty Susanna is. And She sings and plays instruments.
Wow…..they are still sooooo good!
The only womens’ band I ever listened to. Not only because of the eternal Susanna.
I've always loved her voice. Her looks make it even better. Love the rest of the Bangles too, Part of my youth.
Which voice? She never had it
Susanna is still a stone cold fox at 60!
Vicki Peterson looks great too...a full year older than Susanna.
2lbs of make up does wonders
I agree
yer drunk, dude!!
Susanna is a fox. Great voice guitar playing and an absolutely beautiful woman.
I agree on what was said about Susanna…she is amazingly beautiful
Amaysing group from my youth, so beautiful songs which I love listen still after 40 years!! Wish more so good songs and come in Croacia!! Manny hellos !!💝💝💝💝💯💯💯💯👍👍👍👍🙏🙏🙏🙏🙋♀🙋♀🙋♀🙋♀🌹🌹🌹🌹
Susanna still looks and sings great
This is why I love rock n' roll, put another dime in the jukebox baby. The Bangles are showing everyone how it's supposed to be done.
My mind is blown after one song. I loved that cover of that great Simon and Garfunkel tune, and they just slay it here. What great vocals. What a band.
Susanna is the best !!! 🤩🤩🤩
Playing drums and singing at the same time is difficult, I am impressed with the drummer. Great band and great songs too.
Thanks to all the Bangles for their great and sweet music. Susanna is just an angel from Heaven ....that's all I can say in words.
Wow!! teenage crush years coming back... still all beautiful and sounding fantastic ladies!!!
Band is tight. Im new loving this band and im old im happy i got a new band to listen to.
"I'm going down to Liverpool to do nothing." And believe me. You can!
The Bangles, still catchy four decades later. Great stuff. 💋
Girls still smiling at each other and playing with one another. You know they had to know how special this was. Same four that founded the band and had their first concert 39 years earlier. Very few bands get to keep playing that long afterwards.
I live in Liverpool and would be happy to show Susanna around the city. 😀
Outstanding performance! The harmonies, melodies, chords, riffs, drum beats and vocals are still as beautiful as the ladies performing them. The Bangles always rock the house.
Just to think, these four girls all met up in a California garage for the first time in 1981. Here they were, 38 years later and still rocking it out.
@@jamiethornton6101 The Bangles are why I love rock n' roll, put another dime in the jukebox Jamie. Thanks for your great comment.
@@ADDIDASSSSSSSSSSSSSS That's for sure. I miss this kind of music. Four awesome ladies 40 years later who don't care about back up singers and extras musicians. No dubbing needed. Just give three of us a guitar and one of us a drum! They should be respected more. But obviously, they don't care. They just enjoy what they do!
@@jamiethornton6101 Giddy up! The Bangles know it's only rock n' roll but they like it, like it yes they do. The Bangles don't need gimmicks because they have legitimate talent. What other bands do you enjoy?
@@ADDIDASSSSSSSSSSSSSS Did you know that Annette, Debbi, and Vicki got to sing with Sheryl Crow later that day on her song, "Soak up the Sun"?
Great Concert! The drummer and bass player are damn good. Anyone that knows about how important a rhythm section is. Every song, they are on it! I think Vicki said the bass player is the original one that started the band with them. I guess they have some kind of chemistry there. The harmonies still sound amazing. Not bad for all these ladies being in their 60's. A very underrated and underappreciated band. I hope they get their day in the light soon. It doesn't look like they've played since and since they asked their founding bass player back for this; you have to wonder if this will be the final Bangles concert in history. If so, they did great.
Bangles have always had great bass players. Micki Steel, Annette, and even Derrick Anderson when he was filling in. Debbi is just a gold standard on drums!
Great little Gig, great musicians, great vocals harmony, sweet Sussy, great lead guitar, love it ! ❤
Always loved the Bangles.
Played Ireland 1986 as preview to Freddie and Queen.
So Awesome to see Annette!!
Which one is she ?
She's the original founding bass player. She's in the blue skirt, and black top; with her hair up. She was a great singer for many years in different bands like Medicine and Blood on the Saddle. Really cool she dusted off the bass and came back for the ladies. Now that Micki is retired from all music. @@marcuspfister2047
I loved her band Medicine. Their album, Scarred for Life is great. You should go check it out. @@marcuspfister2047
The original bass player, in the blue skirt/black top. @@marcuspfister2047
@@marcuspfister2047the bass player
It's so great to see the band performing together again. We missed you! ❤
I can’t stop ❤ watching In My Room and The Hero Takes the Fall ! Bangles! What are you waiting to go back on tour!
Sheryl Crow tried to tell them the same thing after Annette, Debbi, and Vicki went on stage to sing "Soak up the Sun" with Sheryl.
That bassline on "Hero Takes A Fall" is so damn good.
She is beautiful .. I love it
Brilliant show from the world's greatest band!
They all sounded and played so good. Might be my favorite concert since Micki left. Really impressed with Annette coming back out of retirement and playing a solid bass. This band is the stuff of legends! Or just full of legendary members!
These women are so amazing! This concert I enjoyed so much. It was really great seeing them come full circle and having family back with Annette, as opposed to just someone from the outside. Sue, Vicki, and Debbi are all still amazing. What a career!
I swear they just get better. Solid rhythm section, lovely guitars, and sweet vocals. 😄
They are the greatest .
Totally fab! What a fantastic performance- great songs, harmonies and the drumming and interplay of guitars are stelllar.
love seeing Susanna turn around to turn her amp up...............this band rocks.
Susanna is an angel. Thanks for posting this video.
I remember in the 80s being in a restaurant/ bar. Not a club or anything. But someone played walk like an Egyptian and people got on their feet and danced around the restaurant. No dance floor, just everyone loving the music dancing, around dinner tables, and bar. singingalong.There was a blizzard outside. Fun night, Great times!!!! Don't see that nowadays!!✌️🎸🤗🎶💖👍
Great story.!!!!
30+ years on, and none the worse for wear. They sound great!😎
The harmonies bring me right back to my childhood. Love this ❤
What a great performance. The bass player is amazing. They're all amazing. The production is great. The camera person is ALWAYS in the right place. Love this.
The bass player is their original. Annette Zilinskas. After Micki called it quits for good, they asked Annette back for a reunion show. Things were just like when they started the band. Then they asked her to join the band again and here she is.
I wish Micki would come back. She is one of the world best bassist male or female. Micki is the Bengles without her it’s not the same.
She's great as well. But she's retried from music. In fact recently in an interview, she said she has zero interest in music anymore. Annette (the original bass player) is great as well though and is better than what they had at bass after Micki left. @@tomcrown69
Sadly not only has she said she wont ever come back to the Bangles, she just walked out on them in a show in 2004. The second time she quit the band. My understanding is something happened and she doesn't even communicate with anyone involved with the Bangles anymore. @@tomcrown69
Love Micki, but the Bangles still sound great without her still. @@tomcrown69
Just great rock with some of the best. Ah. Feels so darned good. They were great then and they are great now. Thank you for all the music. Love y'all! I'm not crying, you're crying.
I worked a Bangles concert in 1987(+/- 2 years) at Six Flags over Texas. Sat on the front row before the show. Wish I could remember who I talked to but two of the members came out and talked. They were nice and friendly. Struck me as good people. I am more of a RUSH, YES progressive rock kinda guy but they were so nice. So have always been a Bangles fan since.
Yes, I had a similar experience at an L.A. show and walked away that night with a nice Susanna Hoffs guitar pick. Great evening!
THEY ROCK!!!!!
OMG!!
They are my age…..
the are my heroes!!
What a great example of living strong and creative at any age.
Thank you!
They have beautiful harmonies.
Agreed. And such distinct, yet complimentary personalities.
A real delight to watch.
Being a pro musician myself, I appreciate good vocals and harmonies even more so than the music behind them, and The Bangles deliver the goods on both. Thoroughly enjoyed this show!
Great Band ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Thanks for sharing this they still sound great
Great songs. Great vocal harmonies 👌
Agreed,that is one bad ass drummer!
I am clearly late to finding this performance. They still play and sound great. I was particularly amazed an Annette's playing. So solid for not being in the band when most of these songs were written. Bravo to all the Bangles
She was on the Paisley podcast and they asked her about that. If it was hard learning an entire catalog of songs from the band, after she left. She said it was just the number of songs to learn and she had a very short amount of time to learn them. She said the actual bass lines were very simple and easy to learn though.
Love this group
Sound great and look great
Just found this. Amazing how good they sounded after all these years. Good job Ladies.
Thanks for being the Bangles. Good memories!
Thank you ladies. Have always Loved your songs and sound. Soooo together. Wish I could of been there. Again, Love you Ladies, keep rockin', Doug up in Green Bay, WI
After all these years they still sound awesome
That's one of the best live versions I've ever seen the Bangles do of, Dover Beach. I love that song and they just played it to perfection here.
❤ What a SOLID SOUND of these women, BASS PLAYER is awesome
The rhythm section is awesome. The Bass player and drummer were on it, every song.
@@Angie80sgirl Yes, another great performance concert with original BASS PLAYER is the HOUSE of BLUES year 2000 = 10 out of 10 !!!
@@Angie80sgirl anorher GREAT concert is the HOUSE of BLIES [ 2000 ] with Michael Steele original bass player = 10 / 10 sound
I love the Bangles!💟💞💝💟
I heard the whole concert, amazing girls
The smiles on the audience faces in the crowd shots sums up music to me. It's like a form of magic that reaches into the heart and changes you for three minutes then lingers after.
Susanna Hoff was my first crush , and still is to this day. Not to mention she can sing!
Priceless
This performance brought smile on my face. Nice to see these gorgeous ladies gathering and playing together.
And also … made me missing my lost youth …
Love, and still have that 1st lp.
The only all female band I'd like to have been married to all 4 of!! I fancied them all, but I do admit Susanna is the cutest of them all.😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍
The drummer and bass player are a great rhythm section. Every song they are solid. I loved the bass line on that one song, that sounds a lot like the Beatles "Taxman". The harmonies were also great. She's the best bass player I've seen the Bangles have, since Micki left.
Was the bass player at the very first and best time when they called themselves "the bangs" yet.
Still rocking! And looking like they are loving it 🥰🥰🥰
Luv it Bangles still rock and are very talented! Not just a studio recording the real deal live!
Annette Zilinskas - Bass Guitar ... so cool she would come back to fill in for the departed Michael Steele.
I didn’t realize he’d passed away... 🙁
And damn, plays a very good bass. What chemistry to just step in some 30 years later and keeps the Bangles machine rocking! Impressed to say the least.
A lot of people don't know this. Annette Zilinskas got together with Brad Laner and they created an early genre of Shoegaze and created a band called "Medicine". Annette wrote all the lyrics, including the hit song "Aruca". Sadly when they took what they created to the record company, a label signed them that was in direct competition with her bands label. So Annette was forced legally to drop out of Medicine. She's since rejoined Medicine, just like she has the Bangles. Check out the Bangles revolver sounding song "Dead Time Bummer Blues".
@@grahamstrouse1165 michael steele is a woman. She retires
you can always tell those people who don't know much about the band. lol. @@vegobond007
they'll be forever in my heart for making September Gurls the hit. A treasure of rock history.
I love the Bangles!
These babes still shine😊.
Great to see Annette back on bass..
I loved her early stuff. That song I'm in line reminds me of something right off a Beatles album.
Still rocking
That drummer was badass
Love the drumming, the drum tuning, the Twin Reverb classic guitar playing. Solid bass. Overall great performance.
Good to see this as a full on human performance! Nice!
Chills. Whoa. So good.
Susanna My Eternal Love!!!! God keep you precious!!!!
Absolute legends, pure raw talent. What a real rock band! sounds like.
you call this rock?
@@royharper2003 A version of it, yes. California 60's rock. That was rock at the time. It might not be what you call rock today, but when this was recorded; it very much was.
Прекрасная группа, прекрасная музыка... Браво девчëнкам,, молодцы...
First time I saw the Bangles, they opening act for the English Beat at Roseland Ballroom in NYC. Incredible show!
Was it these four playing or was Micki with them at that point?
Bangs songs are best❤️
This was one of my favorite songs they ever did. I'm not sure why Annette doesn't get more credit for her bass play. Her bass line on "I'm in line" sounds like something right off of a Beatles song. This was really a Bangs reunion concert, more than a Bangles. And it was great! th-cam.com/video/llhNsQtkxvM/w-d-xo.html
@@AmyProckingHard
Absolutely.
Because of your name...
Best concert of Amy Winehouse: Glastonbury 2008
She was the other rock-godess of newer time and probably the last real timeless artist of rock at all - after curt cobain.
And to your link..That was starburst.
Four hotty bees. Sweet, sweet, sweet and sweet!
Love Vikki most💓
Super concert, super girls!
Congratulations Girls(😅) for a fantastic concert. You still sound (and look) great. Thank you.
Susanna drank from the fountain of youth! Her voice is as sweet as ever too. The group is not sounding as tight as the old days but maybe they can't rehearse as much as before. I liked the concert very much nonetheless. Thanks! 👍🧡
I think it's not really well understood how big a part of the band Mickey Steele was and how different they are without her presence - both vocally and on the bass. Nothing against Annette, but Mickey's absence is really obvious here.
WOW the girls still have it! 💕
So refreshing to hear a live band , no tricks just live and raw and sounding great , love it 🎸
Debbi is such a strong drummer, really holding the whole thing together!
So true. Even when she looked absolutely exhausted, she said "1, 2, 3, 4!"
I agree. She has a great snap to her playing. She hits those skins with authority. Solid!
Totally. She's such a badass on the drums. Always has been, but I believe she's gotten better over the years. Her drumming on Sweetheart of the Sun and on the Paisley Underground compilation is so tight and has such a great swing to it.
Agree 💯!! She’s better than ever during this show. Even as an experienced prog & metal drummer, it’s harder to play along with these songs than one might think. Especially while singing. Although sometimes singing while drumming can bring everything together & make the playing even stronger I find. Depends on the style obviously. No matter, The Bangles still kick much ass!!! Thanks for the upload😊
@@mowattbigsly2996 I'm not a drummer myself, so it's really cool to hear your insights. I am a club DJ, so I've thought a lot about rhythm. :) Really stoked to have a metal drummer confirm that Debbi's style of drumming isn't easy, even though it's clean and unshowy. And yeah, singing while drumming - I always thought musicians who can do that must just have bigger brains than the rest of us! I was talking with someone else about Vicki's guitar playing, and I mentioned that Vicki doesn't shred but she's still a great player, and they said yeah, shredders are a dime a dozen these days, even kids shred on TH-cam, but playing with as much style and heart as Vicki is a much more rare thing. I think it's the same with Debbi's drumming.
I was there working crowd control for ECTLC a ministry from El Cajon. The contract out for us being there went to donation to ECTLC.We worked days before the event,days of the event and days after.This day I was at a establishment on the grounds that faced the stage.This was a very good spot and I along with those at this stage...there were various at the Del Mar Racetrack with other great bands throughout the days and nights of the event just had a blast.
Sound as amazing as ever. Somethings never change and love the fact you haven’t ❤
Harmonies are beautiful to hear.
The drummer is gorgeous.
Nice too see Johnny Cowsill there
Gracias, Susanna! Bella y adorable voz. Besos desde Argentina ❤
Love this concert 🙂 I've watched it several times 😍 love you all 💕
They just sound amazing! Consider these four ladies started it in 1981, and this was 2019 we're talking 39 years here since they first played together. You should check out when Annette came back in 2016. That was special. One song at first and everyone was smiling, sounded just as amazing, and hugs all around afterwards. What turned into a one off event, turned into the four of them back.
One of their best non Micki concerts IMO. Dover Beach they played it perfectly. Maybe my favorite live version of that song in 30 years.