@@josephfierros9034 Bruh, I think that you are taking it too personal. I really love System, and while I disagree a bit with Finn on his take, you really shouldn't take it that personally. I think that they are talented, and I think that they have some pretty great lyrics. He gave them the respectful position on the tier list, but just doesn't personally get it. Had he gone on that rant and put them at the bottom, maybe you would have more of a case. To Finn, I thought that your list was pretty solid. I wouldn't mind seeing it still expanded a little further with at least one more part.
@@kirikoza2488 Yeah, he is legit when he talks about punk (and especially hardcore), but he needs to just comes to terms with the fact that, when it comes to metal, he is a casual fan at best.
Yeah. SOAD got me IN to metal, for god’s sake. I’m not gonna pretend their last couple albums haven’t been as good as the first half of their career… “infantile unsophistated musical palates”?? TH-cam really is the ultimate glass house, you can throw stone after stone…. The funny thing is he gets so much right but to call SOAD mediocre it’s INSANE to me
This. When I was younger I was a casual fan of the SOAD singles that would play on the radio or MTV but I never listened to them outside of that. A few years ago I put on the Toxicity album to check it out and I'm so mad I never fully listened back then. Toxicity is regularly on repeat for me now. I'm also not a fan of metal (punk has always been my niche) but SOAD really does it for me. They're so fucking good!!!!
SOAD was a gateway band for me, but still to this day they're my favorite band of all time. The message behind their music was really eye opening to me as an 11 year old. Still rings true to this day.
I totally get the gateway band thing as I was 15 when the first SOAD album came out and was really into it. But the more I listened to and discovered other bands they just faded away for me. Toxicity came out and I loved every bit of it. But once Chop Suey got shoved down my throat by radio for 4 years I almost couldn't get through it without it driving me nuts. The thing is there are 9,000,000 bands with the exact same "don't trust governments and anti fascism" type stuff. I mean who isn't anti fascism and injustice.
Korn was opening for System this year and all their albums have gone platinum. I think you don't give them enough credit Finn. It's kind of like if you judge The Cure based on Friday Im in Love or Boys Dont Cry without ever hearing the album Disintegration. There's more to it. Cool sounding vocal harmonies in some songs, interesting guitar parts, some cool middle eastern instrumentation and influences. Plus they've raised a lot of money for Armenia who really need it now since theyre being invaded by Azerbaijan (backed by Turkey).
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the reason early Deftones sounds like 'Generic Nu-Metal Riff #300' is that they pioneered that style, and promptly moved on from it with White Pony and thereafter. That being said, I'm a fan, but their fanbase is ... zealous. Real zealous.
I listened to all this nu metal stuff with friends in high school, and melodically System Of A Down stood out to me considerably more than the majority of other bands from that genre.
Deftones are legit S Tier. Latest album reached #5 on Billboard Top 200, they were nominated for 3 Grammys in 2022, (Mike Shinoda’s remix of their ‘Passenger’ won), and they won Loudwire’s Album of the Year last year.
Agreed - Deftones are 100% S tier. Unlike most of these bands, Deftones continue to be influential and release great music. They transcended the whole nu-metal thing and developed their own sound, which is partly why I think their music has actually aged the best of any band on this list.
100% S tier. Both for musical part - on White Pony they stepped into triphop, on selftitled and Saturday Night Wrist they stepped into progrock and shoegaze, on Koi No Yokan - progrock, shoegaze, postmetal etc, and for their influence. Just like the best example of Deftones influence is (suprisingly) MUSE. Yep, Muse were heavily impacted and inspired by Deftones (as Muse themselves say), and for some time they even played Deftones' riffs as interludes for their show (like My Own Summer and Headup)
his rants about why he doesnt like deftones last as long as my rants about why i like deftones. i wont cave to a man with more than one hatebreed tattoo.
Ha! I can't stand Deftones, (I don't like Tool neither; big whoop, wanna fight aboutit?) but dammit man, your argument and logic are S tier 😂 "won't cave to a man with more than one Hatebreed tattoo" 😆
in that era. they distanced themselves. they piss over all of the others. (also they are stil relevent!! - which = sucsess ((i am biased cos i love deftones))
@@jordanjoestar8839 yep and he doesn’t give them any kind of recognition for that or willing to admit how good they actually are even though they’re super different. All because he can’t stand the fanbase
“SOAD sucks” *starts to get angry* “if you were 12 and had never heard metal before you get a pass” .. okay thanks. God I needed SOAD when they came out. Helped my little pre-teen angst heart.
You have inspired us to get more drip, dreads, and a backpack. Also, thank you for acknowledging Crazy Town. My drummer and I (Justin) started listening to them as a meme back in 2018, and we ended up actually digging a ton of their more nu metal songs. Love your sense of humor and blunt opinions, Finn. Keep up the awesome content!
Yooo!!! You guys are sick but all I ask is you perform a show live with jncos and either DC shoes, adidas campus (the chunky ones, aka the 00s), or Puma Suede XLs. That would go insane
Taproot was at least a B tier band, Finnjamin. Downtuning to drop A, but not using it to exclusively to be heavy, while also singing instead of grunting through the vocal parts was actually fairly impressive back then. There’s a reason Stephen was one the few rock vocalists who ended up on Linkin Park’s Re-animation. Lane Staley was even going to do a song with them before he passed, so I’d say they deserve more cred than you’re willing to give em, but hey, that’s just me. 🤷♂️
which is all fine and dandy but i dunno man, it just sounded pretty boring as a whole. if the sum of elements made the band, every supergroup would be the best on the planet, but we know the majority of supergroup are just uninspired and uninspiring
I feel like he's never been to a Deftones show... it's littered with chicks - drunk chicks, stoned chicks, egirls, cholas, horny housewives. Maybe the only Deftones fans he's ever had conversations with has been on forums.
Man, I couldn't disagree any more with you. But, damn do I love listening to you formulate opinions. You are articulate, humorous and passionate. For that, you have all my respect.
Respect on your SOAD rating. I think it’s the catchy songwriting, memorable lyrics, and the mystique of Serg’s quarter tone scales that got a lot of teens (lol) like me hooked. Simple, different, and easy to recognize goes a long way to the masses. I like them for a different reason I guess.
Love Deftones but even Chino agrees with you that Stephen’s weed consumption seems to contribute to his conspiracy theory beliefs lol. Also would of loved to see you rank Nu Metal era Machine Head, Rob Flynn’s drip in the 90s was S tier alone.
@@taliesinpotter4097 I mean I get it but it felt kinda phony since they weren't sporting that style until 3 records in along with the sudden change to straight up nu metal
Honestly really nice to hear you finally let your hate for SOAD fly after so many instances of apparent restraint. They're one of my favorite bands but goddamn is the fanbase a circle-jerk
Hahaha same!! I’m glad he finally let it out. I mean, I always had a feeling he hated them. I’m here cracking up listening to him talk shit. Also, I’m a huge fan of SOAD. But Finn disliking them doesn’t affect me at all
They are overrated, sure, but unique. He needs to explain his opinions on them better than "clean part ruins it". It is becoming pretty apparent he does not like a lot of dynamics in songs, and SOAD's weird start/stop song structures are going to really rub him the wrong way. Also, your wife giving you looks should not be a factor. It is entirely possible that she doesn't "get it". I mean, I don't like Spiritbox, and frankly I don't get it with them, but that is me personally. I'm not going to tell you they objectively suck because that is simply untrue. As for the fanbase, I am long past caring about that. My personal enjoyment is just that. I am not going to let a bunch of assholes ruin that for me.
"I hate this band! S tier." And that's kind of one of the things we're here. I'd agree with Chino not being the greatest singer, but as with SOADs Serj (who I actually think is/was pretty good), there's something unique to their voice that makes him stand out. And with all the talk about "local bands"... you gotta have a lot of good local bands around :D
Chino's a good vocalist! He has a decent range, floods emotion, and booms with dynamics. Is his voice quality traditionally the most pleasant? Probably not. But all things considered, he kicks ass overall.
Amazing video finn! Here’s some Bands I’d love to see in a part 3: disturbed, dope, powerman 5000, static X, Snot, Primer 55, Hed P.e, fear factory, ill Nino, machine head and skindred
I love Incubus. Why does their individual and collective talent get overlooked so often? They could write and play in any genre they wanted to and artistically succeed.
I always thought SOAD was an interesting band, especially in the pantheon of Nu-Metal/Alternative etc.. Musicianship was solid. Lyrics were interesting from a narrative POV. Their albums are better and most consistent than a lot of the bands around that time. Their music has also aged a lot better than their Nu-Metal contemporaries.
Never really been into nu metal but the first time hearing Deftones after growing up on Slowdive, Smashing Pumpkins and stuff like that Deftones blew me away Love the drawn out vocals all the reverb haha
It's like many people fail to acknowledge them as a more complex entity just because of strong association with their "nu-metal" days. Even WP wasn't a nu-metal album (except some songs sounded like it), but the damage was already done
@@awilson816aw They are so much more than just another generic nu metal band. Musically they are so many levels ahead of 80 % of the bands that were mentioned.
I remember downloading white pony on napster. It took 9hrs and I was so stoked. Finn just shat on that memory with that broootal rant. It was hilarious tho.
I was never a huge Deftone fan, I do like select tracks. However, I think they should be an S tier band for also bringing 7 string guitar into a more mainstream audience. Sure Korn had a large part to play, but so did the Deftones.
Not only 7-strings, but also 8-strings (they shifted towards 8-strings already in 2003, being influenced by Meshuggah - yep, Stephen Carpenter was a hardcore Meshuggah fan long before the Obzen)
I love your commentary on everything man. You made me crack up a couple times. This is my high school tier top whatever. There were so many bands around that time that made the era great, but you nailed it 100%, lol. I appreciate all the videos that you do and I expect to see more covering the era that I miss the most. Because of you I decided to discover and embrace alot of bands that I may have misjudged and overlooked during the time period because I wasn't able to let go of Nu-Metal, but it's been a good ride through time, so thank you!
I absolutely love Digital Bath. Deftones' drummer has this groove that Is undeniable. Not overly technical, but really fucking slick. As an aging drummer I tend to lean more towards unique grooves more than technical prowess.
Wanted to type a whole rant about Deftones, but i dont wanna be that guy 😂 i just love em cuz they were the soundtrack to my youth and i like the "vibe"
@@ButtersDClown well to be fair I can tell exactly why Finn or anyone doesn’t like SOAD tbh, but I normally agree with Finn on most of his opinions and takes but I’m not kidding myself with liking them. I think they’re legitimately a great band with badass music.
I’ll always have that nostalgic love for Mushroomhead. Growing up in Cleveland they actually did a lot to help out a ton of local bands and they seemed to genuinely care about trying to get smaller bands in front of bigger crowds. Plus Stitch produced one of my favorite records from a local band which was the first Who Killed Marilyn record.
Is Incubus Nu-Metal? I never dug into their catalog but the singles are more like Nu-Pop or something. It's like a soft boy hard rock pop sound with a DJ.
You can put a lot of nu-metal~ish bands here like Static-X, Fear Factory, etc, but they always were more into industrial side, just had those nu-metal riffs for the most part. I think it's better to keep this list pure nu-metal oriented. At least to save more butts from burning :D
Honestly I think Deftones is way better than you're giving credit. Their early stuff definitely had the basic nu-metal vibe, but White Pony, and especially when you get into Diamond Eyes and Saturday Night Wrist and on, they bring in a lot of shoegaze, post-rock and ambient elements that set them apart from the rest of the alternative metal world. I'd say they're the only one on the whole list that's still putting out quality and acclaimed records through today. They might not be your shit, but they've been the only one to thrive after the death of nu-metal.
Soad was all about the chaotic energy and frantic guitars mixed with the melodic choruses it was good and fresh. Heavy but sounded nothing like korn and nothing like a death metal band just different and new
*_Finn: “That riff is so fucking generic, bro! So cringe!”_* *_Stephen: “I wrote that in ‘97…”_* *_Finn: “Pfff, it’s such an overdone riff. It sounds like every other fucking nu-metal band, dude.”_* *_Stephen: “Because I wrote that riff back in ‘97…”_*
Lol that's exactly what I was thinking. It sounds generic to him because almost every nu metal band that came afterwards took the influence from deftones or sometimes straight out ripped them off. Finn didn't bother researching lmao
@@graydrive5796 Probably. He is a little too biased towards nu metal that's for sure. He literally put AHC on the lowest tier, are you telling me that people like most of the bands on the tiers above (except A and S) better than AHC? Especially Taproot? And even Mushroomhead deserved to be higher. Nu metal fans in general adore this band.
@@hoovy1163 I don't get the love for Mushroomhead or American Head Charge personally. I probably would have put Mushroomhead a little lower on the list myself. Also on the issue of him having a bias against Nu-Metal, duh, he's more from what the Pop-Punk scene or whatever. Nu-Metal has never been something that he has specifically been a champion of. Considering it's not his genre, I thought that his list came off just fine for his own personal take on things.
Reasons i like Finn; we disagree about several musical opinions. And his reasons about why my favorite music sucks makes me laugh my ass off regardless lol because its all true lol
His take on nu metal is hilarious. I got into rock through nu metal, looking back it’s a bit dated and cringe lol 😬 but still got a soft spot for nu metal
The accuracy in this comment lol. I relate so much with what you have said. It's a good test on what I like and whether or not that like is more of a "guilty pleasure" versus truly amazing shit.
We need a part 3. Disturbed. Sevendust. Reveille (def E/F tier). Flaw. STAIND (A/B tier?). Drowning Pool. Systematic. Stereomud. Godsmack! Hoobastank, Chevelle, Early Incubus, Kid Rock 😱You've barely tapped the surface of both ends of this tier list!! Might require a part 4 as well. Come on my man!!
As a somewhat SOAD apologist, I think Toxicity is by far their worst and most boring album. I would be interested to see if you ended up liking any of their more eclectic tracks from Steal This Album or Hypnotize or even the self-titled, which I think are their best. They are at their beat at their most inventive and I think their hardcore fans are more into the deep cuts. Hard for me to be objective tho as my mom has always been the world’s biggest SOAD fan so my preteen years were saturated with hearing them, and I think I like them more now even than then just from sheer exposure/nostalgia.
i totally agree! i liked the album, but steal this album n the earliers had way more energy imo. an i actually liked their hypno mesmer albums, because they were orchestrated well i though, but more importantly the lyrics man. i love when i can laugh or offend someone by some lyrics, n those albums checked both, wit some catch jams sprinkled amongst
For me, Toxicity is their best album, with SOAD very close. I can't believe someone can say that Toxicity is "boring", but... this is music, and in the end of the day is subjective.
@@jeancarlosantolalla he said its their most boring, he didnt call it boring. an even if he truly felt this way, thats not what he said, so just be a tad bit more careful on your reading comprehension, when giving rebuttals
@@trope5105 I think he is the one who can truly explain what he wanted to say, not you. I wasn't even trying to be rude, just to be clear. This is just... TH-cam lol.
In 2000 white pony by Defrones was the album absolutely everyone was talking about. I'm not sure what happenned after that but for a moment they were the future of music.
They got darker and more experimental till they released the more straightforward and casual 'Diamond Eyes' after their bassist got in a car wreck that he ultimately succumbed to in 2013
You missing out on some of their best music after white pony! My favorite album is around the fur 1997 but 2010 Diamond eyes is a tough tie with it! That’s when they came back to being great they always been good though
About the production you said you loved is all Terry Date. He produced their first 4 albums and their newest album, Ohms. He's an amazing producer no doubt. Best drum sound in the game making Abe, who is one of the best and most creative drummers in rock period.
I’ma go ahead and be that guy and say that “Toxicity” is definitely one of SOAD’s most creatively basic hit songs; not their most innovative or interesting. And I’m not even talking about going for some deep cut instead. Other hit songs like “Question,” “BYOB,” or “Sugar” are more representative of their best work creatively.
12:46 Yep, J was a bartender at the time also did Odd-jobs while he was funding his side projects "Pitchblack Forecast" and "Scelestus" amongst other projects. He also did merch for bands on tour and that's how he probably met Devin Townsend (who's featured on a PBF track) and also how he met the Atomic Clock Gene Hoglan who is the featured/recorded drummer for the Pitchblack Forecast band. PBF is somewhat similar to 216 but has a little bit more going for it with various cameos. He released the PitchBlack Forecast record and Meshuggah's "I" EP on his Fractured Transmitter label. He is a really cool/chill dude that could have been a MONSTER in the Thrash/NYCHxC scene if he wanted because he has a specific growl, like Randy Blythe has his. -a Mushroomhead Stan ✖️✖️
SOAD at their best, like on Toxicity, are pretty much untouchable in terms of songwriting here. Calling them mediocre kinda raises a few red flags about Finn's "musical palette", but hey - we all have our blind spots. Cheers :)
@@mikehawkisbig9791 Nobody is allowed to consider a band mediocre if they like hardcore? Hardcore is a huge influence to the majority of metal in North America today.
I disagree the vocals grain on the ears and make everything else hard to enjoy. Finn doesn’t have a blind spot he just has different taste than you. Being honest about something you don’t like is way better than just bowing down to people like you who think just because someone doesn’t like what you like that they must have some sort of musical shortcoming is about as 12 year old edge lord as it gets. Cheers :)
@@thenovemberman8636 My take isn’t any edgier than Finn’s, chill dude. He was questioning peoples tastes in a joking manner just like me. It’s all fun and games, so calling me a 12yo edge lord isn’t necessary.
The shoegazing elements are what set Deftones apart. If that’s not what you’re into theres nothing wrong with that, but if you are there’s nobody that can replicate their sound.
I got into Deftones at ripe old age of 24 (literally this year) and I don't love ALL of their stuff but 2-3 albums they released are top tier imho. There is just something weirdly enjoyable about it. Also, you are really tearing into EVERYONE today. Laughed my ass off at this video, its amazing.
I was just sitting here trying to enjoy my juice and then Finn comes in and completely hands my 15 year old musical taste to me on a platter. That sounded like you've been holding onto that SOAD rant for a long time 😂
haha not wrong, similar style but way better songwriting than the last two deftones albums at least. i do think people have a tendency to overstate how derivative Loathe are of Deftones though, which I'd largely attribute to the hook of Aggressive Evolution and some of the ambient sections of ILIIAITE
2:51 AHC not the greatest band name but a really good band; catchy songs, distinctive sound, passionate live performances, decent musicianship. Funny how they're more appreciated here in Europe given their name.
Honestly, you should give Taproot's album Gift a listen. There are a couple of songs that don't pass muster, but songs like Smile and Mirror's Reflection are certified hood classics.
The beautiful thing about music is everyone has a different ear for music. The problem with judging music is it is almost impossible to objectively say something is better than another. You can definitely make a list from best to worst in terms of sales, but if a band is big enough for us to know their names at all, it is almost impossible that they aren't SOMEBODY'S favorite band. Music transcends reason, and sometimes you hear a song after something happened in your life and it just clicked in your head how much it speaks to you.
I'm not much of an album person, but Toxicity is an absolute staple as one of the best albums imo. One of a dozen albums I can listen to all the way through tbh.
I think Finn doesn't understand the influence Mudvayne has on the scene... how many bass players WISH they were Ryan Martini? Also... Mushroomhead as "D" tier? damn bro... gotta be at least "C" tier.
Deftones became very popular after they started experimenting and became "the most famous post-metal band" or "the Radiohead of metal" (an insult to bands such as Neurosis, ISIS, Yob and Cult Of Luna, which are true post - metal and Deftones DEFINITELY sound nowhere like them). In fact, their most popular songs are Change (In the House Of Flies) and Minerva. Personally, I enjoy their music, but they're a "local band" compared to og's like Neurosis, or even Russian Circles. I mean, White Pony is a radio friendly version of The Eye Of Every Storm. Hint about Korn: they're their own thing, just as much as Slipknot are. They're considered nu metal because they originated that style applying it to a few songs. But every album by them is different from the other. For example: Untouchable has nothing to do with Follow The Leader, which is different from the self-titled, which is different from The Nothing and so on and so forth.
I remember when I first started listening to metal music I listened to a lot of your s tier nu-metal bands slipknot, SOAD, korn etc. and it scares me that if i didnt discover other genres of metal i probably would've ended up being 15 years old and listening to bands like American Head Charge and Mushroomhead
I love Gojira, but they sound like a tamed, more progressive version of early Sepultura with better production. Joe even claims a lot of their early songs were Sepultura rip-offs. Great band, and their environmental approach to their lyrics is cool….but also makes me wonder why so many conservatives like them, when they are literally progressive in their attitudes and song writing.
Say it! Smoke weed and listen to Deftones! But seriously, I love Deftones and SOAD but I’m totally okay with you not really liking them. Also, I really laughed hard at your jokes about them and the fans, keep up the good work and have a nice week Finn!
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You slept on American Head Charge....not saying they're great by any means....but "Loyalty" and "Fiend" are badass songs....
Nu metal died in 2000-2001
Finn mckenty i am a huge fan of your channel. I love your content, but damn your rant on S.O.A.D came off as just mean. Kind of disappointed in you
@@josephfierros9034 Bruh, I think that you are taking it too personal. I really love System, and while I disagree a bit with Finn on his take, you really shouldn't take it that personally. I think that they are talented, and I think that they have some pretty great lyrics. He gave them the respectful position on the tier list, but just doesn't personally get it. Had he gone on that rant and put them at the bottom, maybe you would have more of a case.
To Finn, I thought that your list was pretty solid. I wouldn't mind seeing it still expanded a little further with at least one more part.
Yeah man u forgot ill niño
Finn: I don't understand why people like Mudvayne
Also Finn: let me show you my favorite Crazy Town song
This comment is so fucking funny
Yo this is a good one
L O L
all about those nip piercings
LOOK AT HIS PHYSIQUE
I didn't listen to SOAD growing up so nostalgia isn't a thing to me. I love them because they are in fact awesome and make badass music.
Yeah Finn is boring lol
he's a total wet blanket, pretty dry taste in metal but we love him anyway
@@kirikoza2488 Yeah, he is legit when he talks about punk (and especially hardcore), but he needs to just comes to terms with the fact that, when it comes to metal, he is a casual fan at best.
Yeah. SOAD got me IN to metal, for god’s sake. I’m not gonna pretend their last couple albums haven’t been as good as the first half of their career… “infantile unsophistated musical palates”?? TH-cam really is the ultimate glass house, you can throw stone after stone…. The funny thing is he gets so much right but to call SOAD mediocre it’s INSANE to me
This. When I was younger I was a casual fan of the SOAD singles that would play on the radio or MTV but I never listened to them outside of that. A few years ago I put on the Toxicity album to check it out and I'm so mad I never fully listened back then. Toxicity is regularly on repeat for me now. I'm also not a fan of metal (punk has always been my niche) but SOAD really does it for me. They're so fucking good!!!!
Shitting all over SOAD and still having the balls to acknowledge the fact that they are S tier is the epitome of integrity. Finn knows his shit.
Thats what I really liked in this video too.
But sending Mushroomhead to D doesnt feel right to me, they inspired slipknot looks so I would say they are very influential
But shitting on Deftones almost entirely? And also Mudvayne?
@@putifarrii gwar
i watched until the soad part
SOAD was a gateway band for me, but still to this day they're my favorite band of all time. The message behind their music was really eye opening to me as an 11 year old. Still rings true to this day.
I totally get the gateway band thing as I was 15 when the first SOAD album came out and was really into it. But the more I listened to and discovered other bands they just faded away for me. Toxicity came out and I loved every bit of it. But once Chop Suey got shoved down my throat by radio for 4 years I almost couldn't get through it without it driving me nuts. The thing is there are 9,000,000 bands with the exact same "don't trust governments and anti fascism" type stuff. I mean who isn't anti fascism and injustice.
Same
My favorite band is SOAD, and my favorite restaurant is Olive Garden.
It's not my favorite band but SOAD rules
Korn was opening for System this year and all their albums have gone platinum. I think you don't give them enough credit Finn. It's kind of like if you judge The Cure based on Friday Im in Love or Boys Dont Cry without ever hearing the album Disintegration. There's more to it. Cool sounding vocal harmonies in some songs, interesting guitar parts, some cool middle eastern instrumentation and influences. Plus they've raised a lot of money for Armenia who really need it now since theyre being invaded by Azerbaijan (backed by Turkey).
Korn didn't open for them. Its a co headlining tour. They switched on some shows with korn playing after system...
Finny’s hatred of SOAD is laughable
@@Frederick0220 Especially when you see his best of 2022 list. Hahaha
SOAD sucks ass
@@Frederick0220his hate for certain bands will never match his love for Crazy town and Trap-Metal
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the reason early Deftones sounds like 'Generic Nu-Metal Riff #300' is that they pioneered that style, and promptly moved on from it with White Pony and thereafter. That being said, I'm a fan, but their fanbase is ... zealous. Real zealous.
Deftones music is super subjective. No wonder their fans feel the songs are about them!!
Deftones might be the oldest band on here
@@ivanortega4534 they are
lmao this extremely disguised low key defensive comment from a Deftones fanboy
@@lazersmuertos3162 all hail deftones! Fuck all that other mainstream nu metal shit
0:00 Intro
0:59 Taproot
2:49 American Head Charge
4:59 System of a Down
8:18 Crazy Town
10:00 Linkin' Park
10:25 Limp Bizkit
10:38 Slipknot
11:01 Mushroomhead
14:31 Deftone
20:18 Outro
I listened to all this nu metal stuff with friends in high school, and melodically System Of A Down stood out to me considerably more than the majority of other bands from that genre.
Deftones are legit S Tier.
Latest album reached #5 on Billboard Top 200, they were nominated for 3 Grammys in 2022, (Mike Shinoda’s remix of their ‘Passenger’ won), and they won Loudwire’s Album of the Year last year.
Dude, they won a Grammy too. For "elite" back in the day
Agreed - Deftones are 100% S tier.
Unlike most of these bands, Deftones continue to be influential and release great music. They transcended the whole nu-metal thing and developed their own sound, which is partly why I think their music has actually aged the best of any band on this list.
I was having so much fun until he started talking about Deftones. lol, I've never heard someone take such a wrong and left turn.
100% S tier. Both for musical part - on White Pony they stepped into triphop, on selftitled and Saturday Night Wrist they stepped into progrock and shoegaze, on Koi No Yokan - progrock, shoegaze, postmetal etc, and for their influence. Just like the best example of Deftones influence is (suprisingly) MUSE. Yep, Muse were heavily impacted and inspired by Deftones (as Muse themselves say), and for some time they even played Deftones' riffs as interludes for their show (like My Own Summer and Headup)
Toxicity has one of the best drum sounds ever, especially on that snare. It sounds incredible.
Even though I don’t agree with your opinions on Deftones I love to hear your commentary on them it’s hilarious 😂
S Tier rant
I agree with him wholeheartedly. Everyone treats them like they're the best thing since sliced bread.
Same dude lol there was a video where he talked shit about glassjaw. but im still here watching months later lol i love his videos dude
Are they A tier for Nu Metal but S tier for old school Metalcore?
Saaame lol
You said our name. Our drip is -1000.
BEER IS GOOD!!!
Not gonna lie, your antlers were on point. Definitely S tier in my opinion.
Kick his ass Rawrb!!!!
Love psychostick
his rants about why he doesnt like deftones last as long as my rants about why i like deftones.
i wont cave to a man with more than one hatebreed tattoo.
Ha! I can't stand Deftones, (I don't like Tool neither; big whoop, wanna fight aboutit?) but dammit man, your argument and logic are S tier 😂 "won't cave to a man with more than one Hatebreed tattoo" 😆
😂😭
SOAD is a absolutely unique band with diverse songs, interesting influences.
Their boring 💤😴
Deftones on the same level as coal chamber is a travesty. They’re absolutely S tier.
For sure. If there was a Nu Metal Mt Rushmore the 4 would be Korn, Linkin Park, Slipknot and Deftones
No lies here
Well, remember this is a man who called SOAD 'Olive Garden metal' and went on to praise Crazytown!! I get a little concerned about Finn 🤣
in that era. they distanced themselves. they piss over all of the others. (also they are stil relevent!! - which = sucsess ((i am biased cos i love deftones))
Agreed, he should just smoke some weed and "get it" oh well :(
Finn: My problem is people who have excessive enthusiasm for anthything.
Also Finn: CRAZY TOWN!
Put some repsect on crazy towns name
Love how Deftones were part of pioneering numetal then evolved to other genres before it went to shit
To this day they continue to evolve one step ahead.
@@jordanjoestar8839 yep and he doesn’t give them any kind of recognition for that or willing to admit how good they actually are even though they’re super different. All because he can’t stand the fanbase
You have a point, but I'd still rather them do that than go the LP direction...
At least there are a few good moments in there still
“SOAD sucks” *starts to get angry* “if you were 12 and had never heard metal before you get a pass” .. okay thanks.
God I needed SOAD when they came out. Helped my little pre-teen angst heart.
100%
You have inspired us to get more drip, dreads, and a backpack. Also, thank you for acknowledging Crazy Town. My drummer and I (Justin) started listening to them as a meme back in 2018, and we ended up actually digging a ton of their more nu metal songs. Love your sense of humor and blunt opinions, Finn. Keep up the awesome content!
Yooo!!! You guys are sick but all I ask is you perform a show live with jncos and either DC shoes, adidas campus (the chunky ones, aka the 00s), or Puma Suede XLs. That would go insane
Taproot was at least a B tier band, Finnjamin. Downtuning to drop A, but not using it to exclusively to be heavy, while also singing instead of grunting through the vocal parts was actually fairly impressive back then. There’s a reason Stephen was one the few rock vocalists who ended up on Linkin Park’s Re-animation. Lane Staley was even going to do a song with them before he passed, so I’d say they deserve more cred than you’re willing to give em, but hey, that’s just me. 🤷♂️
Finnjamin 💀
Taproot is garbage.
which is all fine and dandy but i dunno man, it just sounded pretty boring as a whole. if the sum of elements made the band, every supergroup would be the best on the planet, but we know the majority of supergroup are just uninspired and uninspiring
Yah. He did taproot dirty.
poem has a killer chorus
From SOAD to the whole-ass continent of Europe, Finn putting everyone on maximum today!
No one was safe 😤🤘🏾💯
Still can't get angry with him. He's based.
SOAD was and always has been overrated.
@@jasonlovesmusicreacting882 your opinion
Euro Nu-Metal is very interesting
I love how Finn calls Deftones “stoner incel” music but truth is, people bang like rabbits to some Deftones 😂
Chicks get fckn WET for Deftones
It's more like "stoner fuckboy" music, imo
Yea, it's not actually just stoner music. White Pony is a reference to cocaine. Uppers make people notoriously horny.
I feel like he's never been to a Deftones show... it's littered with chicks - drunk chicks, stoned chicks, egirls, cholas, horny housewives. Maybe the only Deftones fans he's ever had conversations with has been on forums.
"people bang like rabbits to some Deftones"
absolutely...while high :)
Man, I couldn't disagree any more with you. But, damn do I love listening to you formulate opinions. You are articulate, humorous and passionate. For that, you have all my respect.
🙏🏼
Same way I feel like I disagree with a few things but it’s all for fun and opinions after all
Taproot on E tier is a crime against humanity
Respect on your SOAD rating. I think it’s the catchy songwriting, memorable lyrics, and the mystique of Serg’s quarter tone scales that got a lot of teens (lol) like me hooked. Simple, different, and easy to recognize goes a long way to the masses. I like them for a different reason I guess.
Love Deftones but even Chino agrees with you that Stephen’s weed consumption seems to contribute to his conspiracy theory beliefs lol.
Also would of loved to see you rank Nu Metal era Machine Head, Rob Flynn’s drip in the 90s was S tier alone.
Rob Flynn is an s tier person too
@@taliesinpotter4097 he is, but that drip was dreadful come on T_T
If you wrote Davidian you deserve at least A-Tier.
@@Nestorglass if by dreadful you mean perfect for the era then absolutely, the spikey frosted tips and tracksuits were just the worst best 🤣
@@taliesinpotter4097 I mean I get it but it felt kinda phony since they weren't sporting that style until 3 records in along with the sudden change to straight up nu metal
Honestly really nice to hear you finally let your hate for SOAD fly after so many instances of apparent restraint. They're one of my favorite bands but goddamn is the fanbase a circle-jerk
fr i can't get behind any of the reasons finn used to justify his hate. But at the same time the obnoxiousness of their fans kinda justifies it xD
Hahaha same!! I’m glad he finally let it out. I mean, I always had a feeling he hated them. I’m here cracking up listening to him talk shit.
Also, I’m a huge fan of SOAD. But Finn disliking them doesn’t affect me at all
SOAD is over rated, liked them back in the day. Can’t stand them now a days.
They are overrated, sure, but unique. He needs to explain his opinions on them better than "clean part ruins it". It is becoming pretty apparent he does not like a lot of dynamics in songs, and SOAD's weird start/stop song structures are going to really rub him the wrong way. Also, your wife giving you looks should not be a factor. It is entirely possible that she doesn't "get it". I mean, I don't like Spiritbox, and frankly I don't get it with them, but that is me personally. I'm not going to tell you they objectively suck because that is simply untrue.
As for the fanbase, I am long past caring about that. My personal enjoyment is just that. I am not going to let a bunch of assholes ruin that for me.
@@Sirriffsalot Same
"I hate this band! S tier." And that's kind of one of the things we're here.
I'd agree with Chino not being the greatest singer, but as with SOADs Serj (who I actually think is/was pretty good), there's something unique to their voice that makes him stand out.
And with all the talk about "local bands"... you gotta have a lot of good local bands around :D
Serj is one of the best singers of his generation
Chino is sensual, super dynamic and is very Cure influenced. Love him.
Chino's a good vocalist! He has a decent range, floods emotion, and booms with dynamics. Is his voice quality traditionally the most pleasant? Probably not. But all things considered, he kicks ass overall.
Amazing video finn! Here’s some Bands I’d love to see in a part 3: disturbed, dope, powerman 5000, static X, Snot, Primer 55, Hed P.e, fear factory, ill Nino, machine head and skindred
primer 55 is awesome dude they need more recognition
Snot is s tier. Primer 55 b tier and static x a or s tier
You have to do your take on Incubus. They are criminally underrated.
Incubus is my favorite band, but I have a feeling Finn would have nothing good to say about em. Lmao
I love Incubus. Why does their individual and collective talent get overlooked so often? They could write and play in any genre they wanted to and artistically succeed.
@@ZeroGITC in the words of Max from Eve 6, “they’re too smart.” lol
True.
I always thought SOAD was an interesting band, especially in the pantheon of Nu-Metal/Alternative etc.. Musicianship was solid. Lyrics were interesting from a narrative POV. Their albums are better and most consistent than a lot of the bands around that time. Their music has also aged a lot better than their Nu-Metal contemporaries.
They're easily one of the best metal bands since the new millennium if not since ever
100%
Never really been into nu metal but the first time hearing Deftones after growing up on Slowdive, Smashing Pumpkins and stuff like that Deftones blew me away
Love the drawn out vocals all the reverb haha
My thing with Deftones is their latter albums and how they dabbled into post-rock/metal shades combined with their signature sound. Really cool stuff.
It's like many people fail to acknowledge them as a more complex entity just because of strong association with their "nu-metal" days. Even WP wasn't a nu-metal album (except some songs sounded like it), but the damage was already done
And Ohms was straight fire. 🔥
THIS^^💯!! What I personally look for is individuality and a unique sound. And Deftones have checked those boxes 1000 times
@@awilson816aw They are so much more than just another generic nu metal band. Musically they are so many levels ahead of 80 % of the bands that were mentioned.
I remember downloading white pony on napster. It took 9hrs and I was so stoked. Finn just shat on that memory with that broootal rant.
It was hilarious tho.
Not putting Deftones in S is INSANE dude. Utterly bonkers hot take
I was never a huge Deftone fan, I do like select tracks. However, I think they should be an S tier band for also bringing 7 string guitar into a more mainstream audience. Sure Korn had a large part to play, but so did the Deftones.
Not only 7-strings, but also 8-strings (they shifted towards 8-strings already in 2003, being influenced by Meshuggah - yep, Stephen Carpenter was a hardcore Meshuggah fan long before the Obzen)
As a Deftones and System Of A Down fan I died laughing when you talked about them, you're so entertaining! Good shit bro
Soad and deftones are quite literally my 2 favourite bands even outside of nu metal, it hurt a little when he said serj had shitty vocalist
I can appreciate that you hate SOAD with a passion but are still subjective enough to place them in S tier. Bravo Fin 👍🏼
*objective.
Brooo cant believe I just heard 216 mentioned in a video, they went so fucking hard man
I love your commentary on everything man. You made me crack up a couple times. This is my high school tier top whatever. There were so many bands around that time that made the era great, but you nailed it 100%, lol. I appreciate all the videos that you do and I expect to see more covering the era that I miss the most. Because of you I decided to discover and embrace alot of bands that I may have misjudged and overlooked during the time period because I wasn't able to let go of Nu-Metal, but it's been a good ride through time, so thank you!
I absolutely love Digital Bath. Deftones' drummer has this groove that Is undeniable. Not overly technical, but really fucking slick. As an aging drummer I tend to lean more towards unique grooves more than technical prowess.
Love his drumming and snare sound!
Wanted to type a whole rant about Deftones, but i dont wanna be that guy 😂 i just love em cuz they were the soundtrack to my youth and i like the "vibe"
Lol yeah
Same with SOAD 😭
@@Venus-cx5sy respect Finn
Still listen to deftones on the regular
Not a bad album so far.
Still listen to every nu-metal band on a regular basis:))
Cause they're still fuckin killin it. OHMS is a bad ass album. Better than most bands best album by far.
Hell yeah. So do I and I consider them to be one of my favourite bands.
Same af
I remember seeing American Head Charge live at Ozzfest they were actually really good, and I was front row for Taproot too I loved it.
The magic of SOAD for me is a combination of the riffs, the harmonies, and the lyrics.
Oh shit him ripping SOAD so hard when I fucking love that band and that album specifically.
Yeah I dont mind disagreements but it doesn't seem like finn has checked out soad the same way he did slipknot
@@ButtersDClown Yeah, it comes off pretty ignorant.
@@ButtersDClown well to be fair I can tell exactly why Finn or anyone doesn’t like SOAD tbh, but I normally agree with Finn on most of his opinions and takes but I’m not kidding myself with liking them. I think they’re legitimately a great band with badass music.
@@ShrugSzn 100% agree, I hold nothing against him, we just have different taste which imo is kickass, but soad had more sounds than their radio hits
@@ButtersDClown facts
I’ll always have that nostalgic love for Mushroomhead. Growing up in Cleveland they actually did a lot to help out a ton of local bands and they seemed to genuinely care about trying to get smaller bands in front of bigger crowds. Plus Stitch produced one of my favorite records from a local band which was the first Who Killed Marilyn record.
My band got to play with Mushroomhead in like 2010 and they were great... they were all about the younger bands
We need a part 3 with disturbed, evanescence and incubus.
Is Incubus Nu-Metal? I never dug into their catalog but the singles are more like Nu-Pop or something. It's like a soft boy hard rock pop sound with a DJ.
You can put a lot of nu-metal~ish bands here like Static-X, Fear Factory, etc, but they always were more into industrial side, just had those nu-metal riffs for the most part. I think it's better to keep this list pure nu-metal oriented. At least to save more butts from burning :D
Evanescence?
As for Disturbed, only their first album really qualifies as nu metal and, even then, just barely.
None of them really nu metal. But i love Incubus, whatever it is.
Huge Deftones fan, totally understand your arguments. I've watched you make fun of Rats Rats Rats like 10 times now and it doesn't get old
Honestly I think Deftones is way better than you're giving credit. Their early stuff definitely had the basic nu-metal vibe, but White Pony, and especially when you get into Diamond Eyes and Saturday Night Wrist and on, they bring in a lot of shoegaze, post-rock and ambient elements that set them apart from the rest of the alternative metal world. I'd say they're the only one on the whole list that's still putting out quality and acclaimed records through today. They might not be your shit, but they've been the only one to thrive after the death of nu-metal.
How Toxicity can be 'painfully mediocre' is beyond me. The drum work is probably some of my favorite in all of nu-metal.
You could make Taproot’s logo in Halo 3’s emblem creator
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Soad was all about the chaotic energy and frantic guitars mixed with the melodic choruses it was good and fresh. Heavy but sounded nothing like korn and nothing like a death metal band just different and new
It's called alternative
I don't think people would rank Linkin Park as high if Chester was still alive. They are C tier at best.
Love both slipknot and nushroomhead but I’ve always leaned more towards mushroomhead simply for their diversity. Their early albums are great.
*_Finn: “That riff is so fucking generic, bro! So cringe!”_*
*_Stephen: “I wrote that in ‘97…”_*
*_Finn: “Pfff, it’s such an overdone riff. It sounds like every other fucking nu-metal band, dude.”_*
*_Stephen: “Because I wrote that riff back in ‘97…”_*
Lol that's exactly what I was thinking. It sounds generic to him because almost every nu metal band that came afterwards took the influence from deftones or sometimes straight out ripped them off. Finn didn't bother researching lmao
@@hoovy1163 I think he's just a mediocre troll tbh
@@graydrive5796 Probably. He is a little too biased towards nu metal that's for sure.
He literally put AHC on the lowest tier, are you telling me that people like most of the bands on the tiers above (except A and S) better than AHC? Especially Taproot? And even Mushroomhead deserved to be higher. Nu metal fans in general adore this band.
@@hoovy1163 I don't get the love for Mushroomhead or American Head Charge personally. I probably would have put Mushroomhead a little lower on the list myself.
Also on the issue of him having a bias against Nu-Metal, duh, he's more from what the Pop-Punk scene or whatever. Nu-Metal has never been something that he has specifically been a champion of. Considering it's not his genre, I thought that his list came off just fine for his own personal take on things.
Holy f the username checks out 🙃🤣
Reasons i like Finn; we disagree about several musical opinions. And his reasons about why my favorite music sucks makes me laugh my ass off regardless lol because its all true lol
His take on nu metal is hilarious. I got into rock through nu metal, looking back it’s a bit dated and cringe lol 😬 but still got a soft spot for nu metal
The accuracy in this comment lol. I relate so much with what you have said. It's a good test on what I like and whether or not that like is more of a "guilty pleasure" versus truly amazing shit.
I've just come across this, I like Deftones, but this made me laugh. I like this guy.
The “smoke weed” rant had me wheezing. 🤣 I felt that. Folks bother me.
They enjoy getting baked. It's about time they got a proper roasting.
We need a part 3. Disturbed. Sevendust. Reveille (def E/F tier). Flaw. STAIND (A/B tier?). Drowning Pool. Systematic. Stereomud. Godsmack! Hoobastank, Chevelle, Early Incubus, Kid Rock 😱You've barely tapped the surface of both ends of this tier list!! Might require a part 4 as well. Come on my man!!
As a somewhat SOAD apologist, I think Toxicity is by far their worst and most boring album. I would be interested to see if you ended up liking any of their more eclectic tracks from Steal This Album or Hypnotize or even the self-titled, which I think are their best. They are at their beat at their most inventive and I think their hardcore fans are more into the deep cuts. Hard for me to be objective tho as my mom has always been the world’s biggest SOAD fan so my preteen years were saturated with hearing them, and I think I like them more now even than then just from sheer exposure/nostalgia.
Toxicity is a god tier album. prison song goes harder than any opening song ever
i totally agree! i liked the album, but steal this album n the earliers had way more energy imo. an i actually liked their hypno mesmer albums, because they were orchestrated well i though, but more importantly the lyrics man. i love when i can laugh or offend someone by some lyrics, n those albums checked both, wit some catch jams sprinkled amongst
For me, Toxicity is their best album, with SOAD very close. I can't believe someone can say that Toxicity is "boring", but... this is music, and in the end of the day is subjective.
@@jeancarlosantolalla he said its their most boring, he didnt call it boring. an even if he truly felt this way, thats not what he said, so just be a tad bit more careful on your reading comprehension, when giving rebuttals
@@trope5105 I think he is the one who can truly explain what he wanted to say, not you. I wasn't even trying to be rude, just to be clear. This is just... TH-cam lol.
In 2000 white pony by Defrones was the album absolutely everyone was talking about. I'm not sure what happenned after that but for a moment they were the future of music.
They got darker and more experimental till they released the more straightforward and casual 'Diamond Eyes' after their bassist got in a car wreck that he ultimately succumbed to in 2013
You missing out on some of their best music after white pony! My favorite album is around the fur 1997 but 2010 Diamond eyes is a tough tie with it! That’s when they came back to being great they always been good though
Soad is not the most talented band,
Toxicity is a great album
Steal this album great album
The first album is truly great!!! Shit...
@@dalekay9ine true,
Very cool guitar parts.
If soad was white and Chad af
Finn would love them
Hypnotize was a good album
Mesmerize was a good album
Been eagerly anticipating this video since part one.
“Karen meets Edward Scissorhands” was all I needed to hear to know part two is gonna be good.
15:34 Deftones sound sleepy, even in the heavy bits I imagine Chino is screaming about just wanting to go to bed.
Honestly I love his low energy drawn out vocals on top of the back and forth instrumentals
Got to say I love Defotnes especially later Deftones where they are more soundscapey and chill. But I do love old Deftones too. Legit S tier.
Eh b teir
About the production you said you loved is all Terry Date. He produced their first 4 albums and their newest album, Ohms. He's an amazing producer no doubt. Best drum sound in the game making Abe, who is one of the best and most creative drummers in rock period.
Abe Cunningham?
As in Deftones drummer? I think terry date also worked with bring me the horizon a long time ago and they def had their best albums with terry
I’ma go ahead and be that guy and say that “Toxicity” is definitely one of SOAD’s most creatively basic hit songs; not their most innovative or interesting. And I’m not even talking about going for some deep cut instead. Other hit songs like “Question,” “BYOB,” or “Sugar” are more representative of their best work creatively.
Exactly right he got lucky choosing that one
"a violent reaction" by American Headcharge is a great song and reminds me more of early meshuggah than anything.
Based Finn, brutally dismantles my childhood but is objective and puts bands in their proper tier. This man is the real deal
12:46
Yep, J was a bartender at the time also did Odd-jobs while he was funding his side projects "Pitchblack Forecast" and "Scelestus" amongst other projects. He also did merch for bands on tour and that's how he probably met Devin Townsend (who's featured on a PBF track) and also how he met the Atomic Clock Gene Hoglan who is the featured/recorded drummer for the Pitchblack Forecast band. PBF is somewhat similar to 216 but has a little bit more going for it with various cameos. He released the PitchBlack Forecast record and Meshuggah's "I" EP on his Fractured Transmitter label.
He is a really cool/chill dude that could have been a MONSTER in the Thrash/NYCHxC scene if he wanted because he has a specific growl, like Randy Blythe has his.
-a Mushroomhead Stan ✖️✖️
I legitimately love SOAD, but the Olive Garden Metal comment was hilarious
SOAD at their best, like on Toxicity, are pretty much untouchable in terms of songwriting here. Calling them mediocre kinda raises a few red flags about Finn's "musical palette", but hey - we all have our blind spots. Cheers :)
SOAD are outlandish, quirky, obnoxious, and plenty of other traits... but mediocre is not one of them
Yeah a guy really into hardcore and modern pop calling any band mediocre is ironic
@@mikehawkisbig9791 Nobody is allowed to consider a band mediocre if they like hardcore? Hardcore is a huge influence to the majority of metal in North America today.
I disagree the vocals grain on the ears and make everything else hard to enjoy. Finn doesn’t have a blind spot he just has different taste than you. Being honest about something you don’t like is way better than just bowing down to people like you who think just because someone doesn’t like what you like that they must have some sort of musical shortcoming is about as 12 year old edge lord as it gets. Cheers :)
@@thenovemberman8636 My take isn’t any edgier than Finn’s, chill dude. He was questioning peoples tastes in a joking manner just like me. It’s all fun and games, so calling me a 12yo edge lord isn’t necessary.
Best way to start the morning
*_R.I.P. Folgers._*
Agreed. I’ve literally been up for 4 minutes lmao
Afternoon in South Africa lol
The shoegazing elements are what set Deftones apart. If that’s not what you’re into theres nothing wrong with that, but if you are there’s nobody that can replicate their sound.
My boy Finn loves "chunk no captain chunk". They stay in his watched and recommended videos lol great band!
I got into Deftones at ripe old age of 24 (literally this year) and I don't love ALL of their stuff but 2-3 albums they released are top tier imho. There is just something weirdly enjoyable about it. Also, you are really tearing into EVERYONE today. Laughed my ass off at this video, its amazing.
I was just sitting here trying to enjoy my juice and then Finn comes in and completely hands my 15 year old musical taste to me on a platter. That sounded like you've been holding onto that SOAD rant for a long time 😂
Hot take: Loathe copied Deftones' homework and got a higher grade.
Loathe production is low budget EZdrummer trash though and songwriting is Emmure level at times
haha not wrong, similar style but way better songwriting than the last two deftones albums at least. i do think people have a tendency to overstate how derivative Loathe are of Deftones though, which I'd largely attribute to the hook of Aggressive Evolution and some of the ambient sections of ILIIAITE
Someone needs to understand the difference between influence and derivative. The influence is apparent, but Loathe has their own identity.
2:51 AHC not the greatest band name but a really good band; catchy songs, distinctive sound, passionate live performances, decent musicianship. Funny how they're more appreciated here in Europe given their name.
Honestly, you should give Taproot's album Gift a listen. There are a couple of songs that don't pass muster, but songs like Smile and Mirror's Reflection are certified hood classics.
Deftones have been my favorite band since 1995, and I love the fact that Finn McKenty doesn’t like them
I can't believe I've never heard the word "shants" before. My world has expanded. Also, 'Elite' is my favourite Deftones song too, so I tip my hat.
Finn was in a super pissy mood in this one, I love it!
The beautiful thing about music is everyone has a different ear for music. The problem with judging music is it is almost impossible to objectively say something is better than another. You can definitely make a list from best to worst in terms of sales, but if a band is big enough for us to know their names at all, it is almost impossible that they aren't SOMEBODY'S favorite band. Music transcends reason, and sometimes you hear a song after something happened in your life and it just clicked in your head how much it speaks to you.
Im never taking my rose colored glasses off lmao
Deftones rant, a true highlight of Finn's media career.👏👏👏👏👏👏
I’d like to see some of the transition bands, incubus first 2 albums -
Forgotten bands - Snot - glass jaw- Atreyu
Sevendust
I was so surprised that incubus wasn’t on the list but I suppose they have not been considered “nu metal” since after Make Yourself
@@aly5891 I still think that album sounds timeless, even though some of the guitars sound pretty 90’s alt metal. They’re fuckin geniuses, imo
Does Atreyu really fall into Nu Metal?
I'm not much of an album person, but Toxicity is an absolute staple as one of the best albums imo. One of a dozen albums I can listen to all the way through tbh.
100% true, that album is GOLD to me
I agree
I love your second channel for all the jokes and witty commentary you pull off. Keep it up! 😂
your bagging on Steven Carpenter's marijuana habits had me losing it. even Chino says that about him.
I think Finn doesn't understand the influence Mudvayne has on the scene... how many bass players WISH they were Ryan Martini? Also... Mushroomhead as "D" tier? damn bro... gotta be at least "C" tier.
Mudvayne is waaaaaaaaaaaaay better than Crazy Town!
@@pittspawn PAINFULLY obvious statement of the day!
@@pittspawn Almost every band is better than Crazy Town
Deftones became very popular after they started experimenting and became "the most famous post-metal band" or "the Radiohead of metal" (an insult to bands such as Neurosis, ISIS, Yob and Cult Of Luna, which are true post - metal and Deftones DEFINITELY sound nowhere like them). In fact, their most popular songs are Change (In the House Of Flies) and Minerva. Personally, I enjoy their music, but they're a "local band" compared to og's like Neurosis, or even Russian Circles. I mean, White Pony is a radio friendly version of The Eye Of Every Storm.
Hint about Korn: they're their own thing, just as much as Slipknot are. They're considered nu metal because they originated that style applying it to a few songs. But every album by them is different from the other. For example: Untouchable has nothing to do with Follow The Leader, which is different from the self-titled, which is different from The Nothing and so on and so forth.
I’ve never heard Finn get so heated as with that weed rant 😂 I was dying. Great video.
Okay what?!?! Soad is an okay band and I only like a few of their songs but TOXICITY IS A GOATED SONG
when it got to SOAD, everyone in the chat was very mad. my brother in christ, its his opinion.
I remember when I first started listening to metal music I listened to a lot of your s tier nu-metal bands slipknot, SOAD, korn etc. and it scares me that if i didnt discover other genres of metal i probably would've ended up being 15 years old and listening to bands like American Head Charge and Mushroomhead
A dark path indeed
Bwomp and The Unravelling and Sun Doesn't Rise bop tho
18:08 This is how I feel about Gojira. Good band, I won't dispute that, but the amount of people who swear they are the best band ever is annoying
I love Gojira, but they sound like a tamed, more progressive version of early Sepultura with better production. Joe even claims a lot of their early songs were Sepultura rip-offs.
Great band, and their environmental approach to their lyrics is cool….but also makes me wonder why so many conservatives like them, when they are literally progressive in their attitudes and song writing.
Say it! Smoke weed and listen to Deftones! But seriously, I love Deftones and SOAD but I’m totally okay with you not really liking them. Also, I really laughed hard at your jokes about them and the fans, keep up the good work and have a nice week Finn!
i love deftones too, but a lot of their other fans make my neck hurt
When you said that you hate SOAD, you spoke to me. I always thought my friends were on crazy pills. I am not alone.