@@CastleChris92 but once you award S tiers to lesser bands its like giving a perfect 10 figure skating or dunk contest score. So what happens when something better comes you have nowhere to go. Sum 41 was like their bigger Canadian brother and they existed in the same time with them, Greenday, Blink 182 and Good Charlotte so Finns A tier seems pretty reasonable. Lagwagon and Millencolin got me into that scene but both are C Tier-ish bands. Personal significance doesn't hold much water in the grandiose sceme of things.
I'm Justst a Kid appeared on a LOT of movies... Honestly they were huge, and all the lyrics represented my angst teenage perfectly, they were like what I used to listen to when I was angry or... I don't know, with any kind of teenager problem :V
NFG is to me one of the the most influential of the genre, up there with Blink and Green Day as truly molding the sounds going forward. I would say that easycore is the template for a lot of pop punk over the last 15 years for sure, and NFG definitely started that trend.
@@RichLclips Same here about Blink. There are a couple good songs on those Skiba albums but as a whole they are pretty bland feeling overall, bit of a bummer to see Blink so low
I would say NFG is definitely a big influencer for easy core but also pop punk and I would say they definitely got kids into post hardcore too. I’m not the biggest NFG fan I mean I am a fan but I like need to listen to them like I do my favorite bands if that makes sense but what’s weird for me is I consider them to have the best musical style I love the super pop punk vocals, with the Heavier guitar tones, some metal influenced guitar riffs that’s 100% what I love that’s the kinda music I liked to create don’t get me wrong I love screaming and break downs but in my own band I just want a great singer and guitars that sound too heavy.
As someone who counts Alkaline Trio as one of their favorite bands, I can confirm that everything Finn says about their fans is true. Myself absolutely included.
I’m also a fan but for a long time I was really their only fan around my area so I had no idea. Since I have definitely met some who are a bit over the top about it
People who forgot about Lagwagon seriously need to go listen to their newest stuff. They changed their style to a heavier tone but it's still so good. They stayed as consistent as any band possibly could, and I dont think they get the credit for it. If you haven't heard Hang, you need to listen to it. Possibly their best album
Rufio's final album "Anybody Out There" is a hidden gem, it's substantially better than their albums that came before it. Had I never stumbled upon that album I'd rank them very low, but it's a game changer for the band. It's worth giving a shot and redeems the hell out of 'em.
Lol I just laughed and said "damnit, ok Finn". It's not great but it is catchy haha still gives me a smile every time I hear it because nostalgia of course haha.
Rufio was massive locally (Southern California) and I think that the fact that didn’t sound like slow boring pop punk that was out at the time AND the fact that they were extremely proficient at their instruments was what made them such a big deal. Listening then, I was stoked on it. Now I can’t even get through a single song.
They played Grad Bash (a thing they did at Universal Studios Orlando for central Florida high schools) my senior year in 05 alongside Taking Back Sunday. They looked so stoked that me and all my friends were singing along, I assume they expected no one to know who they were. We all lost it when they played "Above Me"
@@Leo4gzs I remember back in the day when TH-cam was first getting popular basically every Rufio comment section was just teeming with South Americans and I loved it. Almost made them feel like a foreign band lol
I feel like nowadays NFG's legacy gets forgotten. They were Easycore before Easycore exists. And the amount of bands that named themselves after NFG songs or lyrics like All Time Low and The Story So Far is ridiculous. Awesome band.
Dude they still sell out sold out show's . Just saw them with less then jake . In boston an they fucking tore the place to the ground . Fun full of energy pop feel with hardcore rhythm . Mosh pits where intense . One of the best bands to see. also saw them 2 years ago with real friends . NFG is the lone survivors of the big Pop punk bands with the exception of bink. But man if you got a Good Charlotte , Simple Plan and New Gound Glory tour to happen . The world would explode .
@@TheRealOTK I agree every person mid 30s pushing 40 would be in heaven. It's so weird listing to simple plan now cause there a pretty juvenile band but it brings u back . There new single antidote is so good. I was sad when they pulled out the pop punks not dead tour with NFG cause of covid. N GC first 2 albums are masterpieces. I miss my youth.
I think its crazy how Billy Talent didn't made that much of an impact in the USA, cause here in Europe (i'm from Germany) they were pretty big, many people got introduced to heavier music by them over here
Agreed, they had a number of big charting songs over here in New Zealand and are pretty well known to average rock fans (not even people who are into punk necessarily). Its a surprise to me finding that they weren't the universally successful band I thought they were
Simple Plan and Good Charlotte got me through high school! I kinda fell off with Good Charlotte but Simple Plan is the band that can put everything I feel into their songs. They get me way more than most people do.
I've Seen Quite A Few Finn McKenty Videos Over The Years, But He Just Classed Alkaline Trio As A "Pop Punk" Band And Claimed Their Fans Are "Sad Fuck-Ups" And That Having Alkaline Trio Tattoos Are A "Red Flag" And To "Proceed With Caution". I Feel Personally Attacked And It's Now An All-Out War That Only One Of Us Realises Exists. (I Love You Really Finn)
As a dual citizen of the US and Canada who’s lived in both countries extensively, I find Billy Talent to be a really fascinating band. They’re one of those bands that is definitively Canadian. They’re kind of a secret band that all Canadians are aware/fans of but basically no one else in the world listens to. Basically like an alternative rock Tragically Hip.
That's my biggest issue with ska, a lot of the bands clearly know how to write a decent song, they just have terrible taste and decide to make it a ska song.
@@diydylana3151 I’m not really a ska fan outside 5 or so songs but I feel like most of it’s hate is just because it’s happy. There’s definitely a not insignificant group of rock fans that hate anything that’s isn’t depressing or angry af
The sweat band on the forearm is a guitar playing thing. When you're heavy down stroking and palm muting, your forearm rests on the guitar and can get aggrivated...hence, the arm band.
@@FinnMckentyPRMBA it hasn't stopped, just the ridiculous looking ones have. Look at James Hetfield, he's still wearing arm bands and that dude is a downpicking machine.
Silverstein, Canadian, and very influential as they were on Victory Records. But 100% not a Pop punk band Have to agree with you on New Found Glory self titled though solid album.
I've always found Alkaline Trio fans to be super chill. Back in the days of internet band forums everyone on theirs was super nice (relatively), and the shows I went to had positive energy (most starkly contrasted with Brand New fans who are fng a$$holes online and irl). I don't have a Trio tat, but I want one, is that a red flag? 😂
Simple Plan released a new album in 2022, and it's really good. I was surprised, because bands usually fall way off after 20 years. I saw New Found Glory live in August 2022, and they put on an amazing show. What I liked most is that they didn't pause between songs like a lot of bands do. They were just non-stop. They played 18 songs in an hour and 15 minutes, which included a 7-10 minute break in the middle where Chad Gilbert told the audience about his battle with a rare cancer (Pheochromacytoma) in 2021. They even played a cover of "Let It Go" from Frozen. lol BTW, NFG has a new acoustic album that just dropped a couple of days ago, which appears to contain some new songs plus some classics.
Geez, I think Lagwagon should be higher than that. While I've never considered their songwriting on par with some others from that era, they belong to a very small minority of punk bands to release that much material without putting out a truely weak album.. Off the top of my head about the only other band with a more consistent catalogue would be Good Riddance. To be nearing double digit albums without a single bad one is almost unheard of for any band, but especialy in the punk world.
Billy Talent is among the best live performers ever. Saw them 5 times in ATL GA area between 2003-06. Huge crowds by 2005 and everyone into it. They are a Top-10 all-time for me. 20+ years strong.
I remember hearing that one member of guttermouth had his own TH-cam channel where he basically just breaks into old abandoned houses and buildings to see what was inside. I never looked into it but it sounds like it could be cool
Oh man I did like Rufio back in the day, I met them and they signed my CD lol. Love Strung Out. Love Goldfinger. NFG obviously at the top forever and ever.
I loved Lagwagon in the early 2000s. I got to see them with Rufio and Yellowcard opening. They were definitely an 'older folks' pop-punk band. They wrote a lot of songs about becoming adults that were pretty poignant but sort of lost on younger kids. No Use For a Name was another great example of this.
Strung Out's Exile Into Oblivion is a MONSTER album. I feel ya on the punisher vibes; they are definitely one of the bands that inspired me to do a little woodshedding on the guitar, but they have put out some amazing work. That being said, everything after Blackhawks Over Los Angeles has been pretty phoned in.
Probably my favorite band of all time- they have such a huge volume of some songs but the first I've heard about the fan base... can't disagree with Blackhawks and beyond but still impressed with their energy, especially after 30 years.
I remember being a moderate fan for the first two records (Another Day In Paradise and Suburban Teenage Wasteland Blues), and then being floored by Twisted By Design when it came out. And then that EP after that, Element of Sonic Defiance… that was a game changer for me. Those two records just felt so ahead of what other “similar” bands were doing at the time. The next few records were excellent as well, but those are the two that have stuck with me through the years
This may seem small, but I rly liked the cliffhanger you left us on at the end, as opposed to just a blunt "Thanks for watching, stay tuned for part 3!"
I have "Dressed to Kill" tattooed across my chest because every time I hear that song I literally get the chills. It's insane how that song can mentally transport me back to 2000 and the memories come flooding in. NFG will always be my favorite band for combining my two favorite genres, and bringing the hardcore and pop-punk kids together for some epic pausy jumps and spin kicks 🤍
“Dressed to Kill” is such a great song. I love that album so much, but I’m still a huge nerd for “Nothing Gold Can Stay” 😂 As a South FL girl, “It Will Never Snow in Florida” spoke to me when I was 14. NFG is my forever favorite, too.
So many of us love nothing gold can stay and self titled. And from your screen. I used to play em over and over when they released. I still know em word for word after all these years. NFG made me a HUGE Drive thru records fan. Used to order off the site weekly. Seeing Jordan in a too tight of tee shirt trucker hat and giant belt buckle. Hahaha. I still keep clothes like that around for the eventual emo night to keep it authentic. People like to act like we didn't wear tiny shirts and baggy dickies shorts. Hahaha
@@kevincollins8620 Dude, preach 🤣 I was a Drive-Thru loyalist and bought anything/everything they put out...until Steel Train (lol) Those were the fucking days...my favorite was the shirt with the Carl's Jr/Hardee's Star that said "Eat Shit" or the "Drive-Crue" shirt with the pentagram. Had my sideways baseball hat, FSAS belt and buckle, and Dickie's on lock. Great time to be alive.
@@popunkid Bruh... You sound like a purist. I didn't mind Steel Train, or the one song "So Blown away"... But I won't disagree things changed quickly after 2004. I was big into FSAS (Cadillac buckle) their belts were fire too... Track jackets... Saucony or golas. It was a great time to be alive. Wish we coulda chilled in the "pure volume" era. Hahahhaha!!
Hey Finn, I can’t speak to every reason why pop punk artists wore wristbands, buts here’s why I did in the later years of playing with Home Grown. I sweat..a lot..when playing live. The wristband would help keep the sweat off the strings and pickups, as well a quick swipe on the forehead ‘cuz the salt would sting your eyes and be incredibly frustrating when you played in poorly ACed venues or down south on Warped Tour. And speaking of Warped Tour, I remember all the bands sharing T-shirts with one another because..well we ran out of clean shirts..but then eventually all those free shirts you got from your friends started to stink..bad. Solution, cut out the sides of the shirt (kept the BO off the armpit, and let the hot southern breeze blow on through). My experience anyhow. Love your work.
I went to a Reverend Horton Heat show and Guttermouth was the opener. Somehow Mark (lead singer) got thrown out of the show. 1000% agree with everything you said about them
I saw gutternouth open for authority zero a few years ago and they were so fun, hands down one of the best shows I’ve seen. Rowdy crowd, Mark was such a dick but a funny way. They’re definitely one of my favs
The fact that you put All Time Low at A tier made my eighth grade heart happy. I was their exact target demographic. They were definitely a gateway band for me!
All Time Low is my favorite band of all time. I always hear you say uve never heard any artists say they were influenced by them BUT 5SOS has multiple times. They are amazing live. You missed Neck Deep, Sum 41, Wonder Years, TSSF, Cartel, All American Rejects, The Starting Line.
I'm pretty new to Finn's channel and I'm loving it but I don't think I can allow him saying Goldfinger doesn't deserve the same tier as GOOD CHARLOTTE (who just like Finn said about MXPX and Sum41, were a group that the fans were looked at as posers for listening to), but I'm glad he mentioned Strung Out cuz they are a great band thanks to their harder edge sound. However, Finn when you do Part 3 you forgot some very significant bands so I've mapped it out for you, LOL- Good Riddance Frenzal Rhomb The Ataris The Bouncing Souls Unwritten Law Sugarcult Fall Out Boy No Use for a Name Me First & the Gimme Gimmes AFI Yellowcard All American Rejects Saves the Day (kinda) Suicide Machines and then for legendary pop/skate punk you left out Bad Religion and The Offspring
When All Time Low first came out (before their album “so wrong its right” so coffeeshop sountrack and the party scene days) they came to milwaukee to open for someone I cant even remember lol… But they were cool as hell. Talked to them when I was only like 16 and they were super interested in the rave/eagles club being haunted and weirdly enough when we were talking, this giant door by us just slammed shut with no one around. I know it probably wasnt “ghosts” lol but still a fun moment to remember. And Alex was just the first person/band to play in the old ass pool at the rave in the basement ever this past week which is cool! Wish I would’ve known beforehand lol. Also, backseat serenade acoustic is amazing.
You forgot to mention how Goldfinger has a entire album with Travis Barker called The Knife in 2017 & that is the best Goldfinger album imo & for those who are not into the SKA music there's some in there to check out that isn't SKA or some that are but isn't over the top worth a listen for those who haven't
I always saw Alkaline Trio fans as the type who liked Blink's sound, but hated Blink because they where so popular. Which that attitude is typically a red flag. However, I know a lot of pretty normal people who really enjoy their music, myself included, its the ones who put them way up on a pedestal who are a bit off. I really do appreciate the dark sense of humor they write into songs.
Used to be a much cringier person, but now, I just think of alkaline trio as blink 182 going through a crazy Edgar Allen Poe phase.... at least up through agony and irony. Still very much a fan, Dan will always be one of my favorite rock bassists
Alkaline Trio are like the Exodus of Pop Punk. The fan base is smaller but more tightknit and punishing. I do enjoy them as well as Blink. I quite like the darker vibe they have going on. Matt Skiba is like a better version of Mark Hoppus. Overall, Pop Punk in general gets alot of hate and love. Even some haters secretly like Pop Punk.
I think lagwagon should be higher, I dont think they're quite as good as blink-182 or green day but to me they're probably as good as nofx or no use for a name
I know I'll get hate and I'm being a punisher here, but the guitar work in Rufio is fuckin rad. Clark and Scott kill it. Jon Berry is a bad ass bassist. Saw these dudes sprint past each other, flip back to back and rebound off walls all without missing a note. Such a good time. Just throwing that personal experience out there. Had a huge impact on me personally.
The red white and blue wristband was a thing worn by SId Vicious in a bunch of photos, including a real weird one where he's awkwardly drinking orange juice. Unsure if this was just a thing he had or if you can blame Malcom McLaren for it
Simple Plan got their fair amount of respect here but I just wanna add on: Yeah they were in New York minute. But they were in a lot around that time. -A song on both live action Scooby Doo movies. -The theme song to What’s New Scooby Doo and they were animated into an episode. -They were the dreamy band to fly in and play Hilary Duff’s Island Birthday Bash -Pierre was the host of Damage Control on Mtv -I’m just a kid was in The New Guy and the Video was tied in to the movie.
I think at least 30% of Blink fans are Alkaline Trio fans, have listened to some Alkaline Trio or have at least heard of them especially when Matt replaced Tom for a few years. It depends on your mood I guess. Like I'm single, but I'm past that phase of not being sad, angry at women.
You know they're S tier when no justification other than "they've sold a zillion albums" is needed. Come on, man, if you're going to force us to listen to multiple Goldfinger songs give us at least one Good Charlotte
FINN, the MAN, the one and only. This is important, listen to Armaggedon by Alk3, same album than Stupid Kid, I think you'd like both that album (From Infinite to Infirmary) and the previous one "Maybe I'll Catch Fire", it's pretty much the most punk they've gotten I think appeals you
Wow Finn talking about Guttermouth is making me belly laugh. Hilariously accurate, they really are just trash but that's why we love them. I'm so glad he gets it.
Fuck, after Knuckle Puck being on the D tier, I'm afraid of where the Wonder Years ends up at. The lyrics and singing, and the fact that they are iconic (even Halsey lists them as an influence in an interview on Apple Music ahead of her album Manic) means they should be at least A tier. You want to call them SadBoi, but they transcend that... I'd love to see Hot Mulligan on the list.
I'm a simple man. I see Alkaline Trio, I click. It was nice hearing Finn talk about Alk3, even though I don't quite agree. I think we're not such punishers, the whole Tom Delonge thing brought some toxicity, but if you check the comments in their songs, it's just love and emotional peace in there. Another interesting fact is that Alk3 has helped me get a lot of my friends into emo pop punk and punk in general, everyone I show this band, they just love it or genuinely respect it. So now, I will leave this here, and if someone has some question about the band, I assure you I will politely respond.
Trio needed a level above S tier😉. I figure when one of his top bands (Blink 182) says that they were influenced and inspired by Skiba, at least lyrically, and then he is asked to actually join Blink, that’s worthy of of some top notch praise right there.
Same here, alk3 let me and my get my friends into emo. Some people say they're just too sad tho lol. But it's a band that resonated with me at 14 and still does at 20
@@JediGuy1000 well they first hit me at 19 and still hit me at 41! Haha. And anybody who says they’re too sad just isn’t listening. I’ve always liked that their songs are about sad, upsetting or disturbing things but always with a sarcastic or hopeful middle finger to the situation
I really like this video, but 2 points I’d like to make, gold finger is not a ska band, but rather a punk ska band, there is a big difference. Also, I don’t consider Alkaline Trio as sad and mopey, actually they have a very energetic sound, and sad, and have one of the best drummers in pop punk I’ve ever heard. This video should also have a part 3, would like to see that!
That's definitely a bandana wrapped around the guy from Simple Plans wrist. I used to wear one like that, until I started hanging it out of my back pocket lol.
Some suggestions for the next time: Tonight alive, Avril, Yellowcard, Click Five, Zebrahead, We the kings, Stand Atlantic, Busted, Soon of dork, American Hi-fi, All American rejects, Plain white Ts, Four year strong Goodnight nurse,
If you decide whether you like a band or not based on how other fans act you're just as lame. F all that Twitter bs. As with everything, Idgaf what anybody else thinks. Whether music, politics, movies, world views, I'll decide for myself. I don't need others to tell me my opinion.
@@FURTHER_ADO I already decided I love those bands a long time ago. Some crazy ass fan isn’t gonna stop me from listening to them it’s just gonna make me ignore the crazy ass fan
Come hang out on Twitch! www.twitch.tv/finnmckenty
Yeahhh! Got me hooked! Offspring. Don't think you put them into pt 1. I can't think of any other pop pink bands lol
Ya'll think Finn caressed his Goldfinger vinyls after this while whispering "I'm sorry I had to lie about you again"
I think that
Yes
Finn has been a Goldfinger Stan since Tony Hawk Pro Skater 1
The timing of that “wHHERS YOAR rehs-PEEEKKT” after Finn’s line about shouty lyrics about a girl was absolutely phenomenal. S Tier
Simple Plan deserves S Tier for the What's New Scooby Doo theme alone
Umm.. MxPx did a Scooby-Doo theme song for the old movie. That doesn't automatically warrant an S tier.
@@reptar5124 I don't know man, it's preeeeetty rad. Definitely was a stepping stone for me as a kid getting into pop punk
@@CastleChris92 but once you award S tiers to lesser bands its like giving a perfect 10 figure skating or dunk contest score. So what happens when something better comes you have nowhere to go. Sum 41 was like their bigger Canadian brother and they existed in the same time with them, Greenday, Blink 182 and Good Charlotte so Finns A tier seems pretty reasonable. Lagwagon and Millencolin got me into that scene but both are C Tier-ish bands. Personal significance doesn't hold much water in the grandiose sceme of things.
@@reptar5124 Or.. Or.... It goes S tier because it's a rad song for a cool kids cartoon.
I'm Justst a Kid appeared on a LOT of movies... Honestly they were huge, and all the lyrics represented my angst teenage perfectly, they were like what I used to listen to when I was angry or... I don't know, with any kind of teenager problem :V
State Champs are like the hometown heroes in Albany, NY where I'm from. So cool to watch them grow from a local pop punk band to what they've become.
Hell yea from Stillwater but live in South Carolina now
American huge fan of Billy Talent here. Extremely underrated and talented band. Their first album in particular is forever gold.
Billy talent was heat. Straight fire
@@kevincollins8620 *they still are lol
I never really delved into their catalog but "try honesty" was on many high school mix cd's in the early 00s in Florida. That song still rips!
@@TheRealOTK I was in Florida at the time. Remember this vividly
Man they were massive while I was growing up in Canada. They were a staple of the hockey dressing room.
NFG is to me one of the the most influential of the genre, up there with Blink and Green Day as truly molding the sounds going forward. I would say that easycore is the template for a lot of pop punk over the last 15 years for sure, and NFG definitely started that trend.
Absolutely nfg and blink will always be my top more so the older stuff because honestly i dont listen to any blink albums past neighborhoods
@@RichLclips Same here about Blink. There are a couple good songs on those Skiba albums but as a whole they are pretty bland feeling overall, bit of a bummer to see Blink so low
I would say NFG is definitely a big influencer for easy core but also pop punk and I would say they definitely got kids into post hardcore too. I’m not the biggest NFG fan I mean I am a fan but I like need to listen to them like I do my favorite bands if that makes sense but what’s weird for me is I consider them to have the best musical style I love the super pop punk vocals, with the Heavier guitar tones, some metal influenced guitar riffs that’s 100% what I love that’s the kinda music I liked to create don’t get me wrong I love screaming and break downs but in my own band I just want a great singer and guitars that sound too heavy.
NFG was sick because they always had breakdowns in their songs. The one in “Understatement” is a classic!
Facts understatement is the best
@@ohalistair hell yes! Such an under appreciated song from that era
NFGs still sick
I saw them in concert. It was awesome.
Worth mentioning, the guitarist was the vocalist in Shai Hulud, so they had a lot of connection with the hardcore/metalcore scene at the time.
As someone who counts Alkaline Trio as one of their favorite bands, I can confirm that everything Finn says about their fans is true. Myself absolutely included.
I’m also a fan but for a long time I was really their only fan around my area so I had no idea. Since I have definitely met some who are a bit over the top about it
People who forgot about Lagwagon seriously need to go listen to their newest stuff. They changed their style to a heavier tone but it's still so good. They stayed as consistent as any band possibly could, and I dont think they get the credit for it. If you haven't heard Hang, you need to listen to it. Possibly their best album
Rufio's final album "Anybody Out There" is a hidden gem, it's substantially better than their albums that came before it. Had I never stumbled upon that album I'd rank them very low, but it's a game changer for the band. It's worth giving a shot and redeems the hell out of 'em.
oooh I forgot about Rufio. They were great!!!
Rufio? Never heard of em
@@linainverse9369sthu then lol
“This is absolutely awful” - Finn McKinty
THPS Stans everywhere who are in their late 30s and Early 40s start Vibrating.
THPS?
@@jasonlovesmusicreacting882 Tony Hawks Pro Skater
Yeah I was shaking my head. How dare he not share the same feeling of nostalgia as me, lol
Lol I just laughed and said "damnit, ok Finn". It's not great but it is catchy haha still gives me a smile every time I hear it because nostalgia of course haha.
I love that superman song
Rufio was massive locally (Southern California) and I think that the fact that didn’t sound like slow boring pop punk that was out at the time AND the fact that they were extremely proficient at their instruments was what made them such a big deal.
Listening then, I was stoked on it. Now I can’t even get through a single song.
They played Grad Bash (a thing they did at Universal Studios Orlando for central Florida high schools) my senior year in 05 alongside Taking Back Sunday. They looked so stoked that me and all my friends were singing along, I assume they expected no one to know who they were. We all lost it when they played "Above Me"
I’m from South America and we listened to these guys. Finn is just salty for some reason. I still listen to them.
@@Leo4gzs I remember back in the day when TH-cam was first getting popular basically every Rufio comment section was just teeming with South Americans and I loved it. Almost made them feel like a foreign band lol
Guttermouth is the greatest example of “Is so bad that it's good”
That’s absolutely what I love about them. And even better that nobody in the band thinks that they’re even bad lol
Finn, I appreciate how you could take such a potentially divisive topic and make it so much fun. Rock on dude!
As much as I love Ska I don't think I would ever be able love it as much as Finn does
I feel like nowadays NFG's legacy gets forgotten. They were Easycore before Easycore exists.
And the amount of bands that named themselves after NFG songs or lyrics like All Time Low and The Story So Far is ridiculous.
Awesome band.
NFG is top tier, no question
Nfg are on the pop punk Mount Rushmore
Dude they still sell out sold out show's . Just saw them with less then jake . In boston an they fucking tore the place to the ground . Fun full of energy pop feel with hardcore rhythm . Mosh pits where intense . One of the best bands to see. also saw them 2 years ago with real friends . NFG is the lone survivors of the big Pop punk bands with the exception of bink. But man if you got a Good Charlotte , Simple Plan and New Gound Glory tour to happen . The world would explode .
@@percyhutchins5421 that would be such an incredible tour for folks in their 30s (me)
@@TheRealOTK I agree every person mid 30s pushing 40 would be in heaven. It's so weird listing to simple plan now cause there a pretty juvenile band but it brings u back . There new single antidote is so good. I was sad when they pulled out the pop punks not dead tour with NFG cause of covid. N GC first 2 albums are masterpieces. I miss my youth.
Simple Plan's intro song to "What's New Scooby Doo?" probably got tons of kids into pop punk tbh.
I think its crazy how Billy Talent didn't made that much of an impact in the USA, cause here in Europe (i'm from Germany) they were pretty big, many people got introduced to heavier music by them over here
Agreed, they had a number of big charting songs over here in New Zealand and are pretty well known to average rock fans (not even people who are into punk necessarily). Its a surprise to me finding that they weren't the universally successful band I thought they were
We loved Billy Talent in Florida
Simple Plan and Good Charlotte got me through high school! I kinda fell off with Good Charlotte but Simple Plan is the band that can put everything I feel into their songs. They get me way more than most people do.
The respect for New Found Glory is real. Well done Finn.
I've Seen Quite A Few Finn McKenty Videos Over The Years, But He Just Classed Alkaline Trio As A "Pop Punk" Band And Claimed Their Fans Are "Sad Fuck-Ups" And That Having Alkaline Trio Tattoos Are A "Red Flag" And To "Proceed With Caution".
I Feel Personally Attacked And It's Now An All-Out War That Only One Of Us Realises Exists.
(I Love You Really Finn)
Yeah…..but it’s true tho. I have a heart-skull on my leg and can confirm I’m a sad fuck up 😂😂😂
That’s…a lot of fucking caps!
Soooo I'm a huge red flag 😂
@@LeatherneckJedi My Typing Is A Compulsion For Order Courtesy Of Autism.
@@R-Dub241 I Have Multiple Tattooed On Me, And Being Called Out So Directly Isn’t Cool!
God i never realized how much Goldfinger reminded me of The Mighy Bosstones
Mighty bosstones we’re so good
@@maciejnowak666 yes they did. I still sing it weekly. The only man I wanna see naked.
@@chuckjamesnorris5928 Still good. Where did you go makes me dance soo much
As a dual citizen of the US and Canada who’s lived in both countries extensively, I find Billy Talent to be a really fascinating band. They’re one of those bands that is definitively Canadian. They’re kind of a secret band that all Canadians are aware/fans of but basically no one else in the world listens to. Basically like an alternative rock Tragically Hip.
That's my biggest issue with ska, a lot of the bands clearly know how to write a decent song, they just have terrible taste and decide to make it a ska song.
Well said
@@diydylana3151 I’m not really a ska fan outside 5 or so songs but I feel like most of it’s hate is just because it’s happy. There’s definitely a not insignificant group of rock fans that hate anything that’s isn’t depressing or angry af
Mannnnnn, lol. Mustard Plug, Less Than Jake, Five Iron Frenzy, Spitvalves, and Catch 22 were fucking awesome.
I love when Finn imitates each singer. Unbelievably hilarious! Good job, Finn.
The sweat band on the forearm is a guitar playing thing. When you're heavy down stroking and palm muting, your forearm rests on the guitar and can get aggrivated...hence, the arm band.
So why did people only do it from like 2001-2004?
@@FinnMckentyPRMBA it hasn't stopped, just the ridiculous looking ones have. Look at James Hetfield, he's still wearing arm bands and that dude is a downpicking machine.
Silverstein, Canadian, and very influential as they were on Victory Records. But 100% not a Pop punk band
Have to agree with you on New Found Glory self titled though solid album.
I almost lost my shit when drip wasn't included as a judging axis.
Man those first 2 or 3 NFG albums were totally awesome. Very nostalgic stuff
For sure. Magical
My favorite album is "Not Without A Fight"
I've always found Alkaline Trio fans to be super chill. Back in the days of internet band forums everyone on theirs was super nice (relatively), and the shows I went to had positive energy (most starkly contrasted with Brand New fans who are fng a$$holes online and irl). I don't have a Trio tat, but I want one, is that a red flag? 😂
Simple Plan released a new album in 2022, and it's really good. I was surprised, because bands usually fall way off after 20 years. I saw New Found Glory live in August 2022, and they put on an amazing show. What I liked most is that they didn't pause between songs like a lot of bands do. They were just non-stop. They played 18 songs in an hour and 15 minutes, which included a 7-10 minute break in the middle where Chad Gilbert told the audience about his battle with a rare cancer (Pheochromacytoma) in 2021. They even played a cover of "Let It Go" from Frozen. lol BTW, NFG has a new acoustic album that just dropped a couple of days ago, which appears to contain some new songs plus some classics.
Geez, I think Lagwagon should be higher than that. While I've never considered their songwriting on par with some others from that era, they belong to a very small minority of punk bands to release that much material without putting out a truely weak album.. Off the top of my head about the only other band with a more consistent catalogue would be Good Riddance. To be nearing double digit albums without a single bad one is almost unheard of for any band, but especialy in the punk world.
“Coming Home” was the album that really brought New Found Glory to my attention. Glad they got some recognition!
That album showed how good of musicians they are. Super talented and really down to Earth cats.
Billy Talent is among the best live performers ever. Saw them 5 times in ATL GA area between 2003-06. Huge crowds by 2005 and everyone into it. They are a Top-10 all-time for me. 20+ years strong.
I remember hearing that one member of guttermouth had his own TH-cam channel where he basically just breaks into old abandoned houses and buildings to see what was inside. I never looked into it but it sounds like it could be cool
Oh man I did like Rufio back in the day, I met them and they signed my CD lol. Love Strung Out. Love Goldfinger. NFG obviously at the top forever and ever.
Strung Out sounds like the inspiration behind Heartsounds. Anyone ever listen to Heartsounds? Big time underrated.
Whatever happened to them? Drifter was a solid album!
I loved Lagwagon in the early 2000s. I got to see them with Rufio and Yellowcard opening. They were definitely an 'older folks' pop-punk band. They wrote a lot of songs about becoming adults that were pretty poignant but sort of lost on younger kids. No Use For a Name was another great example of this.
Haven't thought about no use for a name in over a decade, gonna check them out again
I’m 18 and I love that type of skate punk lol.
Alkaline Trio is my favored of all these bands. I'm a sad fuck up, too. No tats, though.
I have an alkaline trio tattoo and can confirm that I’m a sad fuck up.
@Shaun McKee you’re not a real fan then!!!! Hahaha. Jk jk
love alkaline trio. goddammit is s tier
Alkaline Trio is S Tear
You're going to have to do parts 4, 5, 6, & 7 at this rate and I'm here for it.
I’d put Simple Plan in the S Tier simply (heh) because their song “I’m Just A Kid” has been used by a bajillion people for their “glow up” TikToks.
Strung Out's Exile Into Oblivion is a MONSTER album. I feel ya on the punisher vibes; they are definitely one of the bands that inspired me to do a little woodshedding on the guitar, but they have put out some amazing work.
That being said, everything after Blackhawks Over Los Angeles has been pretty phoned in.
Probably my favorite band of all time- they have such a huge volume of some songs but the first I've heard about the fan base... can't disagree with Blackhawks and beyond but still impressed with their energy, especially after 30 years.
I remember being a moderate fan for the first two records (Another Day In Paradise and Suburban Teenage Wasteland Blues), and then being floored by Twisted By Design when it came out. And then that EP after that, Element of Sonic Defiance… that was a game changer for me. Those two records just felt so ahead of what other “similar” bands were doing at the time. The next few records were excellent as well, but those are the two that have stuck with me through the years
This may seem small, but I rly liked the cliffhanger you left us on at the end, as opposed to just a blunt "Thanks for watching, stay tuned for part 3!"
I have "Dressed to Kill" tattooed across my chest because every time I hear that song I literally get the chills. It's insane how that song can mentally transport me back to 2000 and the memories come flooding in. NFG will always be my favorite band for combining my two favorite genres, and bringing the hardcore and pop-punk kids together for some epic pausy jumps and spin kicks 🤍
@@BNEradio you'll get one from me, dude. Not a LP fan, but regardless, that's dope man. Rock on.
“Dressed to Kill” is such a great song. I love that album so much, but I’m still a huge nerd for “Nothing Gold Can Stay” 😂 As a South FL girl, “It Will Never Snow in Florida” spoke to me when I was 14. NFG is my forever favorite, too.
So many of us love nothing gold can stay and self titled. And from your screen. I used to play em over and over when they released. I still know em word for word after all these years. NFG made me a HUGE Drive thru records fan. Used to order off the site weekly. Seeing Jordan in a too tight of tee shirt trucker hat and giant belt buckle. Hahaha. I still keep clothes like that around for the eventual emo night to keep it authentic. People like to act like we didn't wear tiny shirts and baggy dickies shorts. Hahaha
@@kevincollins8620 Dude, preach 🤣 I was a Drive-Thru loyalist and bought anything/everything they put out...until Steel Train (lol) Those were the fucking days...my favorite was the shirt with the Carl's Jr/Hardee's Star that said "Eat Shit" or the "Drive-Crue" shirt with the pentagram. Had my sideways baseball hat, FSAS belt and buckle, and Dickie's on lock. Great time to be alive.
@@popunkid Bruh... You sound like a purist. I didn't mind Steel Train, or the one song "So Blown away"... But I won't disagree things changed quickly after 2004. I was big into FSAS (Cadillac buckle) their belts were fire too... Track jackets... Saucony or golas. It was a great time to be alive. Wish we coulda chilled in the "pure volume" era. Hahahhaha!!
Hey Finn,
I can’t speak to every reason why pop punk artists wore wristbands, buts here’s why I did in the later years of playing with Home Grown. I sweat..a lot..when playing live. The wristband would help keep the sweat off the strings and pickups, as well a quick swipe on the forehead ‘cuz the salt would sting your eyes and be incredibly frustrating when you played in poorly ACed venues or down south on Warped Tour.
And speaking of Warped Tour, I remember all the bands sharing T-shirts with one another because..well we ran out of clean shirts..but then eventually all those free shirts you got from your friends started to stink..bad. Solution, cut out the sides of the shirt (kept the BO off the armpit, and let the hot southern breeze blow on through).
My experience anyhow. Love your work.
Gold finger has more nostalgia for me than any other band. Love them!!
Stop Eric. They don't need a Spokesman ;)
Strung Out, Knuckle Puck, and State Champs are 3 of my favorite bands of all time.
I went to a Reverend Horton Heat show and Guttermouth was the opener. Somehow Mark (lead singer) got thrown out of the show. 1000% agree with everything you said about them
I see NFG every time they come to town and they kill it every time. S-tier. No doubt.
I saw gutternouth open for authority zero a few years ago and they were so fun, hands down one of the best shows I’ve seen. Rowdy crowd, Mark was such a dick but a funny way. They’re definitely one of my favs
Fact: If you can cover Rufio's stuff from their first two albums (both on guitars and drums), you can easily transition into thrash/death metal.
TRUTH. and kids who did easily learn the stuff. Did. I know of a few.
I feel personally attacked by your alk 3 comments hahaha. Love your videos though man.
The fact that you put All Time Low at A tier made my eighth grade heart happy. I was their exact target demographic. They were definitely a gateway band for me!
All Time Low is my favorite band of all time.
I always hear you say uve never heard any artists say they were influenced by them BUT 5SOS has multiple times.
They are amazing live.
You missed Neck Deep, Sum 41, Wonder Years, TSSF, Cartel, All American Rejects, The Starting Line.
Neck Deep was in part 1
I have an Alkaline Trio tattoo and I agree with everything you had to say about Alkaline Trio fans.
Same. I don't know many other fans but those I encountered I wouldn't wanna meet in the real world.
Same. I have an alkaline trio tattoo too and I’m a pathetic mess on the inside. 😂😂😂
@@R-Dub241 mostly because you've talked about your alkaline trio tattoo over 3 times in this comment section🤫
Lagwagon should move up. Had legacy members from Rich Kids on LSD. Their influence counts.
I'm pretty new to Finn's channel and I'm loving it but I don't think I can allow him saying Goldfinger doesn't deserve the same tier as GOOD CHARLOTTE (who just like Finn said about MXPX and Sum41, were a group that the fans were looked at as posers for listening to), but I'm glad he mentioned Strung Out cuz they are a great band thanks to their harder edge sound. However, Finn when you do Part 3 you forgot some very significant bands so I've mapped it out for you, LOL-
Good Riddance
Frenzal Rhomb
The Ataris
The Bouncing Souls
Unwritten Law
Sugarcult
Fall Out Boy
No Use for a Name
Me First & the Gimme Gimmes
AFI
Yellowcard
All American Rejects
Saves the Day (kinda)
Suicide Machines
and then for legendary pop/skate punk you left out Bad Religion and The Offspring
When All Time Low first came out (before their album “so wrong its right” so coffeeshop sountrack and the party scene days) they came to milwaukee to open for someone I cant even remember lol…
But they were cool as hell. Talked to them when I was only like 16 and they were super interested in the rave/eagles club being haunted and weirdly enough when we were talking, this giant door by us just slammed shut with no one around. I know it probably wasnt “ghosts” lol but still a fun moment to remember.
And Alex was just the first person/band to play in the old ass pool at the rave in the basement ever this past week which is cool! Wish I would’ve known beforehand lol.
Also, backseat serenade acoustic is amazing.
Strung Out is awesome. I got to see them recently with Descendants and NOFX, great show, super fun.
No punishing 😘
If you were hanging out in Big Bear CA around '00-'04, so many of the local punk rockers loved Guttermouth
Finn please do guitar tier list, I want to learn more about dad guitars.
I grew up in the early 80s. I appreciate these videos. Helps me discover music that I missed along the way
You forgot to mention how Goldfinger has a entire album with Travis Barker called The Knife in 2017 & that is the best Goldfinger album imo & for those who are not into the SKA music there's some in there to check out that isn't SKA or some that are but isn't over the top worth a listen for those who haven't
I always saw Alkaline Trio fans as the type who liked Blink's sound, but hated Blink because they where so popular. Which that attitude is typically a red flag. However, I know a lot of pretty normal people who really enjoy their music, myself included, its the ones who put them way up on a pedestal who are a bit off. I really do appreciate the dark sense of humor they write into songs.
I like Blink. I like the Cure, Sisters of Mercy, Joy Division. Therefore, I like Alkaline Trio. It's not a hard equation, lol.
Used to be a much cringier person, but now, I just think of alkaline trio as blink 182 going through a crazy Edgar Allen Poe phase.... at least up through agony and irony. Still very much a fan, Dan will always be one of my favorite rock bassists
Alkaline Trio are like the Exodus of Pop Punk. The fan base is smaller but more tightknit and punishing. I do enjoy them as well as Blink. I quite like the darker vibe they have going on. Matt Skiba is like a better version of Mark Hoppus.
Overall, Pop Punk in general gets alot of hate and love. Even some haters secretly like Pop Punk.
I think lagwagon should be higher, I dont think they're quite as good as blink-182 or green day but to me they're probably as good as nofx or no use for a name
I know I'll get hate and I'm being a punisher here, but the guitar work in Rufio is fuckin rad. Clark and Scott kill it. Jon Berry is a bad ass bassist. Saw these dudes sprint past each other, flip back to back and rebound off walls all without missing a note. Such a good time. Just throwing that personal experience out there. Had a huge impact on me personally.
Older Blink was fast so I don't see the issue with Rufio. Most early Pop Punk was still in that Skate Punk era.
Putting Lagwagon in C tier is fraudulent
The red white and blue wristband was a thing worn by SId Vicious in a bunch of photos, including a real weird one where he's awkwardly drinking orange juice. Unsure if this was just a thing he had or if you can blame Malcom McLaren for it
It's interesting that Rancid didn't make the list. As far as Epitaph California punk with quite alot of those awesome hooks, really good band.
Simple Plan got their fair amount of respect here but I just wanna add on:
Yeah they were in New York minute. But they were in a lot around that time.
-A song on both live action Scooby Doo movies.
-The theme song to What’s New Scooby Doo and they were animated into an episode.
-They were the dreamy band to fly in and play Hilary Duff’s Island Birthday Bash
-Pierre was the host of Damage Control on Mtv
-I’m just a kid was in The New Guy and the Video was tied in to the movie.
I can't even explain why, but certain Pop-punks just rub me the wrong way.
State champs, Mayday Parade, Neck deep, ect
That kind of stuff
lol the hoverhand Rachel Leigh Cook comment got me Finn. Dressed to Kill is also the song that got me into them, senior year of high school 2001.
Where would you put Bad Religion since they influenced all of these bands
Finn McKinney is the absolute best Metal/Rock reactor/reviewer on TH-cam ! Frfr. Keep up the awesome work. One Love Bruv ♥️🎵💜☯️🖤💯💯💯♠️
Alkaline Trio was a band that I always felt like I was supposed to like, but could never get into.
I think at least 30% of Blink fans are Alkaline Trio fans, have listened to some Alkaline Trio or have at least heard of them especially when Matt replaced Tom for a few years. It depends on your mood I guess. Like I'm single, but I'm past that phase of not being sad, angry at women.
You know they're S tier when no justification other than "they've sold a zillion albums" is needed. Come on, man, if you're going to force us to listen to multiple Goldfinger songs give us at least one Good Charlotte
Agreed. He shoulda gave you seasons. Lol.
Simple Plan actually have more monthly listeners then Good Charlotte on Spotify; nearly 7m vs. 4.5ish.
Ska sounds like the soundtrack to a tropical island jet-ski racing game marketed toward elementary aged kids.
FINN, the MAN, the one and only. This is important, listen to Armaggedon by Alk3, same album than Stupid Kid, I think you'd like both that album (From Infinite to Infirmary) and the previous one "Maybe I'll Catch Fire", it's pretty much the most punk they've gotten I think appeals you
I never knew John Feldmann was a singer for such a…. Bad/mediocre band. The dude is an absolute God legend of a producer
Goldfinger isn't that bad, you just don't like ska-punk. If you do, they are very solid.
@@guipontes7526 true, but if you compare his legacy to Goldfinger, there’s (I believe) a noticeable and almost objective disparity
Hes a terrible producer
Honestly, I don't like ska punk, but I think Goldfinger okay.
God legend of a producer?!? Wow…
If I remember correctly, John from Goldfinger was in Cannibal Corpse around the time they formed for like a minute.
Wow Finn talking about Guttermouth is making me belly laugh. Hilariously accurate, they really are just trash but that's why we love them. I'm so glad he gets it.
Looks at my Alk3 tattoo* damn Finn. That shit hurted… 🤣
But it’s true. I have one. Truth hurts, man. 😂
He ignored the last 4 albums and goes straight for FHTI..:P No wonder he says they're sad boy punk..
Im sad but i work in a corporate job so i wouldn't consider myself a fuck up
Keep making these Finn! I love some of the lower tier bands from the first vid (Slick Shoes, Fenix TX).
Think you should do a alexisonfire video. Even if they weren’t huge in the states they were literally everywhere else
Fuck, after Knuckle Puck being on the D tier, I'm afraid of where the Wonder Years ends up at. The lyrics and singing, and the fact that they are iconic (even Halsey lists them as an influence in an interview on Apple Music ahead of her album Manic) means they should be at least A tier. You want to call them SadBoi, but they transcend that... I'd love to see Hot Mulligan on the list.
Hearing that also made me nervous on his thoughts on Youth Fountain.
I'm a simple man. I see Alkaline Trio, I click.
It was nice hearing Finn talk about Alk3, even though I don't quite agree. I think we're not such punishers, the whole Tom Delonge thing brought some toxicity, but if you check the comments in their songs, it's just love and emotional peace in there.
Another interesting fact is that Alk3 has helped me get a lot of my friends into emo pop punk and punk in general, everyone I show this band, they just love it or genuinely respect it.
So now, I will leave this here, and if someone has some question about the band, I assure you I will politely respond.
Trio needed a level above S tier😉. I figure when one of his top bands (Blink 182) says that they were influenced and inspired by Skiba, at least lyrically, and then he is asked to actually join Blink, that’s worthy of of some top notch praise right there.
@@danpeezie He might not be the greatest guitarist but still he's a poet like few in the genre
Same here, alk3 let me and my get my friends into emo. Some people say they're just too sad tho lol. But it's a band that resonated with me at 14 and still does at 20
@@JediGuy1000 well they first hit me at 19 and still hit me at 41! Haha. And anybody who says they’re too sad just isn’t listening. I’ve always liked that their songs are about sad, upsetting or disturbing things but always with a sarcastic or hopeful middle finger to the situation
@@danpeezie totally agree man. That's awesome! Alkaline trio for life
I really like this video, but 2 points I’d like to make, gold finger is not a ska band, but rather a punk ska band, there is a big difference. Also, I don’t consider Alkaline Trio as sad and mopey, actually they have a very energetic sound, and sad, and have one of the best drummers in pop punk I’ve ever heard. This video should also have a part 3, would like to see that!
That's definitely a bandana wrapped around the guy from Simple Plans wrist. I used to wear one like that, until I started hanging it out of my back pocket lol.
My band opened up for Guttermouth a few times... Mark is a maniac.
So many of these bands are just power pop / pop rock IMO. I know not everyone will agree and that's ok. Thanks for the entertainment!
Rufio…wow. Kills me we live in a world where they go F and Good Charlotte go top tier 😳
Guttermouth is a treasure, they fucking suck and I love it.
bad take after bad take
I met this chick w a guttermouth tattoo who berated me for listening to A Day to Remember
Imagine having a guttermouth tattoo and criticizing anyone for anything
Some suggestions for the next time: Tonight alive, Avril, Yellowcard, Click Five, Zebrahead, We the kings, Stand Atlantic, Busted, Soon of dork, American Hi-fi, All American rejects, Plain white Ts, Four year strong Goodnight nurse,
As much as I love Rufio and Strung Out I had no idea people got crazy with them. Looks like I’ll have to be cautious from now on
If you decide whether you like a band or not based on how other fans act you're just as lame. F all that Twitter bs. As with everything, Idgaf what anybody else thinks. Whether music, politics, movies, world views, I'll decide for myself. I don't need others to tell me my opinion.
@@FURTHER_ADO I already decided I love those bands a long time ago. Some crazy ass fan isn’t gonna stop me from listening to them it’s just gonna make me ignore the crazy ass fan
Yo, Alexisonfire’s “Crisis” is absolute perfection. Boiled Frogs is peak soft posthardcore of the era.
Some of the rockier goldfinger stuff is amazing. I love tunes such as: put the knife away etc…