Do you not like clean lyrics? Because.. an amazing vocalist... I think who gets no respect is the lead singer from Ultraspank.. especially..the " Progress " album
"Does anyone actually like these slower, quieter parts of Nu-Metal songs?" Me. I am the one. The contrast between the heavy and clean parts make the heavy parts slap that much harder.
Me too, sometimes the chill rap verses are the highlight for me with Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park etc. That's why I like nu metal because it has a bit of everything
Your mention of clean parts making the heavy slap harder is why I will usually defend melodeath over regular death metal, though the purists hate on that. If it is nothing but growling and blast beats the whole album, you get used to it and it just doesn't feel as intense after a while.
Mudvayne had a little bit more success than you think. When they won a VMA and wore all white suits covered in blood, that was an iconic Nu Metal moment.
Mudvayne as a whole wasn't very influential but EVERY numetal kid that played bass shit their pants the first time they listened to LD50. Hell, I was a regular guitar player and I was blown away. Ryan Martini is undeniable on bass guitar.
Ryan Martinie's influence is plastered all over metal bass these days. The Jinjer bassist is a prime example. He is basically just carrying on the legacy. Before him the bassist was just "supposed to" play the rhythm root notes to give the guitars more punch. Martini could legitimately be considered the driving force in many of their songs. I know for me as a bass player, he was and still is one of my biggest influences.
@@kennyhouser3467 100%. I remember me and a bass player friend of mine learning Mudvayne songs to jam together back in the early 2000's. Watching him play along to the song Dig while I played guitar I couldn't believe the fret board acrobatics he was pulling off. The regular guitar work in that song is pretty basic but the bass was next level. I'd never seen a bass played like that in metal.
Can confirm, picked up bass in 3rd grade, discovered LD50 as a freshman in HS, now at 26 I can say without a doubt, that one album has had way more influence on my bass playing than any single other source. I picked up so many little techniques trying to emulate Ryan.
Haha damnit, I just left a comment about this lol. I went to a little hillbilly farm school with 100 kids in each class and the girls STILL loved Jay Gordon
As a kid who grew up in a very religious home, P.O.D. was allowed because it was christian and they were honestly my gateway to finding Linkin Park and moving into heavier music as I got older. Mad respect to P.OD.
I found a Living Sacrifice CD at the local Berean(Christian FYE) and my parents HATED it. I bought a Christian metal DVD and my mom did take that one from me haha. "Heaven's Metal" I think it was called, it was just too "extreme."
That Mudvayne-Dig video is legendary. You can give it shit, but if it wasn't as "cringe" as you say, it never would have got them on people's radar and really launch their careers. And it's arguably more popular now then it was back then.
How the hell is Mudvayne more popular now than they were back in the dsy? I dont get it?!? I met them in Detroit and Ryan is as cool as you would think.
Mudvayne was amazing. Chad's lyrics and Ryan's bass playing was out of this world. L.D. 50, The End of All Things to Come, and Lost and Found were amazing albums.
Speaking of Mudvayne, Ryan Martinie deserves even more credit than he already gets. His influence is seen all over the metal scene. Everywhere from Metalcore on down to Tech Death. He made bassists actually leading songs instead of just playing whatever root notes the rhythm guitarist is playing a thing. His playing is where my liking of their music begins and ends. I can think of at least 12 riffs I've made myself in that style.
@@beastmerc84 DDOOOOOD...Headup goes hard as fuuuuuuuck. Back in 1998 (or whenever) that song was filthy as hell and one of the main reasons I love Deftones so much
Mudvayne´s LD50 is to this day the most complete album ever for me. I love every song on it, even the transitional pieces. The whole album is so cohesive, i hardly can listen to one song alone, have to listen to it from start to finish. You can definetly count them as New Metal, but they have so many prog elements, especially on their first 2 albums. Weird time signatures, tempo changes, song structures, interesting (imo) lyrics to fill pages. As many other pointed out before, Ryan had/still has a HUGE influence on metal bass players to this day. Saw them live like 5 or 6 times and they killed it everytime, playing always 1h+ sets, giving all they got, esp Chad who i felt was close to passing out a lotta times. I´m obviously biased, so im a bit salty about that b-tier xD Love your content tho, but please listen to LD50, im sure you´ll love it. Cheers
Deftones are like such a niche thing. Around the Fur is probably my favorite album of theirs, but everything after that is more commercially successful. I didn't realize that their latest album reached #5 on billboard, that's crazy. But, I don't know, it's like they exist in a vacuum. I wouldn't cite them as a big influence on a lot of things, they just carved their niche out and do it really well.
I don't see a lot of toxic Deftones fans. Everybody I know that love Deftones, are genuinely nice people. I've been to 2 of their shows, got pictures of me and Chino taking in Raleigh, NC, and everyone was cool. I never try and push them on others either. I usually tell people that they might not like it, and if they do we can talk about them.
I think they got the appreciation they deserved. They weren't as influential as bands like Korn or Slipknot and just didn't have the same lasting appeal and originality those bands had. I remember seeing them on the 2nd stage at Ozzfest 2001, honestly I kind of paid half attention to them I was probably preoccupied and just getting hyped up for Marilyn Manson and Black Sabbath, they both were amazing live back 2 back!
I'll always love Nu-Metal. If I had kids it'd be my embarrassing Dad music. Right now it's just my embarrassing Uncle music. Edit - Coal Chamber are unironically one of my favourite bands. I genuinely used to dress like that in the early 00's.
I saw them live a few times back in the day. CC were a good band but they certainly were no Korn or Deftones, they kind of ripped off Korns sound, but they were a good live band!
As a Kittie fan I was ready for someone to once again talk about Kittie as Nu metal even though only a few songs on their first album were that. Really appreciate you showing songs like cutthroat and pointing out that they later transitioned to straight up metal!
Im with finn on this one, but I do like clean bridges when they accomplish a mood or “clash” with the rest of the song in an intentionally environmental/ dissonant way. often times they don’t seem to add anything, and that’s what sets bands like korn and soulfly apart, the songwriting in korn is just objectively better than most other nu metal and every section of a korn song is a hook so the little worm parts just make their songs even more catchy
That’s cause Korn knew how to do it right. Daddy being a great example. The tension Korn built in their soft parts actually did build texture and make the heavy parts even heavier. But in a lot of Nu Metal bands it is just a weird back and forth.
I can’t think of Nu-metal without thinking about all the industrial-tinged sci-fi movies and video games of the early 2000’s. Goes together like peanut butter and jelly…
I think the reason people (like myself) love mudvaybe is the sound. chad gray (in my opinion) is one of the most talented male vocalists out there. love his sound, incredible range, incredible control over his voice, etc. ryan is obviously one of the greatest bass players to ever grace metal music. matt is an INCREDIBLE drummer who pairs extremely well with ryan. honestly their weak point is their guitarist greg, but he’s solid and does exactly what he needs to fit the music. combine that with consistently good songs (once again in my opinion), and it becomes tough not to like them. at least my 2 cents. good video though, entertaining and inciteful as always
I actually met Rizzo back in his Ill Nino days, my GF at the time asked him "what's with the bag?" to which he replied "it's just a look, why not." High possibility the dude had nothing in the bag at all, what's more nu metal than wearing an empty backpack?? Very little I'd imagine.
Gotta say: Mudvayne is easily my favorite band out of this video, but "Happy?" is such a good song, people just give it shit because it's not as heavy. I'd still say "Lost And Found" is a good album, not their best, but definitely better than their self-titled
Orgy's like my favorite band and I'm just happy that you even gave them a spot. It seems like they always get left out when talking about nu-metal but they had a lot going for them, especially with the aesthetics. I just wish the new Orgy lineup and music didn't seem like a complete betrayal of everything that came before it.
Part of nu metal's influence is from grunge, which is why you sometimes get the quiet verses with loud chorus (which was practically a requirement in grunge). I will agree it was usually not that great, though Korn always knew how to do it right. Most of their songs do the quiet verse with loud chorus. I see we saved most the heavy hitters for part 2. Makes us come back for Part 2, so good hustle!
My biggest memory of Mudvayne was watching the Dig video when it first came out with my then infant son in my arms and it scared him so much he started crying histerically, and I quickly changed the channel. And every time he heard those first couple of notes he'd start bawling. Mudvayne, traumatizing boys since 2001.
Listening to Orgy makes me realize that this is EXACTLY what Skillet was trying to imitate in some songs in their first couple albums holy crap. Then they jumped on the Shinedown train, and now they're just Christian Imagine Dragons. Their newest song goes pretty hard though
@@jasonlovesmusicreacting882 I don't disagree at all. It's just nice to actually hear some real guitars in the intro and outro finally lol. The processed drums in the verses were a bummer and the progression (especially the chorus) was so obvious. I hate that John's side project has been so "one and done". He was doing some kinda cool "Old Skillet" sorts of stuff with that and I really liked the entire EP.
@@coleG112 I just heard about his side project the other day. There’s a lot of potential in it and the guy can yell. And yeah, I cannot stand that chorus. I read a comment about how it’s meant for Madden or WWE. I do like the way the guitars sound but would be nice to hear more than just power chords.
Ryan Martini is the greatest bass player in Metal, hands down. Glad I got to do alot of concert's from 99 to today. First time mudvayne concert was 03. Damn I'm old
I really like the clean parts !! It's really setting an amazing atmosphere when it's well done . Like in korn you can really feel jonathan's emotions and that's why it's interesting.
You need to listen to more mudvayne, the bass player is one of the best bass players in history, also the vocal range of the singer is massive, not on Maynard's level but pretty close.
Mudavayne's whole rhythm section is S tier. They are super talented musicians, but unfortunately the band wasn't around for that long. I think they would be at the same alt-metal level as Deftones had the band continued.
I saw this somewhere but he has 4 octaves which is 1 or 2 more than average, the drummer matt is a really good songwriter and surprisingly is really good at ambient stuff, Ryan martinie is obviously one the of the best bass players in modern metal and the guitarist is really great at supporting the band.
so the thing about the clean parts is that it makes the heavy parts feel shit ton more heavier a good example is korn's falling away from me. the main riff is heavy but after the little clean break it sound so much heavier
So happy I heard the L.D.50 album from Mudvayne before seeing their music video for "Dig". I don't think I would have bothered if I saw this video first. Their song for Saw II, "Forget to Remember", is pretty damn good. "Internal Primates Forever" is their best song IMO.
@@dalekay9ine no, Finn has a rule never to talk about Deftones in any meaningful way because of their fanbase. Plus, he doesn't like them, which is too bad, because their influence has only risen.
Listening to Stitches by Orgy makes me feel like they were so ahead of it’s time. Could totally see Motionless in White or Bad Omens putting up something like this
I bet the dude in Korn with the sleeveless shirt is the drummer. You said he wasn't cooperating with the nu metal look, but remember, there's the character of the "swole" drummer with sleeveless shirt in a lot of bands.
As far as musicianship is concerned, Mudvayne is leaps and bounds better than all the bands in this list. Mudvayne was my gateway to progressive rock and their first 3 albums RIP
I hated Nu Metal in high school. But the band that was certainly a part of that world that I have a soft spot for was Powerman 5000. They were kitsch and at least somewhat self aware. They were a jocks idea of what Devo was, but amusing. There were also some bands I felt were un-fairly associated with it (deftones, SOAD)
@@RaviYadav-bj6mw limp bizkit were big yes,but they were way too goofy to be a part of any top four.I will take Deftones in their place and bam,that's my big four of nu metal right there
Metallica = Linkin Park (most successful and went the most mainstream later) Megadeth = Limp Bizkit (cuz Durst definitely has some of those douchey Mustaine vibes) Slayer = Slipknot (I think the reasons are obvious, Slayer was more brutal than most other thrash, and Slipknot was as heavy as nu metal got) Anthrax = Korn (early pioneersbecame forgettable in the middle stretch of their career then brought it back with the return of a key band member, and their team up with Skrillex is reminiscent of Anthrax's Bring the Noise crossover)
22:25 Man, I am a drum and guitar teacher, and I am SOOOO grateful.for Boom by POD! Super easy to play (drums if simplified, that is), fun and enjoyable, and man that video!!! I have yet to meet a single one of my students who doesn't like that song and video! Especially the 10-12 yo demographic really digs it. Thanks POD :D
Mudvayne was and is amazing. L.D. 50 and The End of All Things to Come were phenomenal. And pretty sure if you look at the lyrics to Cultivate, it will give some insight to their name.
Kitties second album "Oracle" was badass. Heavy as fuck, just the right amount of polish, and those broads can write and arrange songs like nobody's business. Won't say underrated as a band, but I feel a lot of people slept on that album
Most people wrote off Mudvayne because of their makeup. If people gave them a chance beyond their gimmicky look- they would have seen so much talent in that band. Orgy was an awesome band that was ahead of their time. They didn’t have nu metal drip- they were in their own futuristic lane. I loved that band’s first two albums.
I agree, my favorite band. Bro musically they are the most superior band when it comes to musician ship other than maybe slipknot but that's a huge maybe
Personal list from back in the day : S : Korn Deftones SOAD Slipknot Limp Bizkit Machine Head Sepultura Linkin Parl B : Mudvayne Kittie Coal Chamber Never got into POD or any of the other though
7:22 Hell no! those clean parts are written to build tension for the mosh pit to explode as soon as the screaming parts starts and the band picks up again!
I laughed out loud a good 3 times during this video, especially during the ending. Holy Shit. More of this, Finn. I'm dying from the dunks and hot takes.
Only good thing that came out of being forced to go to youth group as a kid was my love of heavier music. POD, Thousand Foot Crutch, Switchfoot . Quickly expanded to secular rock of course but those were definitely what got my foot in the door listening to a bunch the bands that I grew up loving.
This was hilarious, especially the drip parts Although I'd have to say that the part about mudvayne having no stage presence tells me that you probably never saw them live
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Try learning a few Mudvayne songs, Bass drums guitar or vocals. To me they’re the most technical and progressive out of all of these bands other than Slipknot. I was never into the face paint or anything but the songs are no joke.
When I saw Korn in 97. Jonathan came out in a silver ADIDAS track suit. It was definitely drippy. Orgy and HED PE opened for them. Korn fucking killed it. All the fans completely destroyed the midsouth Colosseum by standing on the seats and breaking them off and throwing them at the poor security.😂
I've been looking for who made that cover of Blue Monday forever, thought it was nine inch nails but could never find it. For years, I only had the memory of the song's sound! Thanks, nu metal!
Kittie for their age were way ahead of so many groups. Watched their documentary and thier producer spoke about how tight and well rehearsed they were.
Mudvayne's LD50 is one of the best albums ever, and live with the costumes made it even better. It's okay if you don't get it like a lot of us, but damn I think it's just awesome. It's a great way to show something visually interesting along with the great music. I seriously believe you should rethink your opinion on Mudvayne. Ryan Martinie is also one of the best bassists in the metal scene, super humble and nice guy too. Huge bass inspiration
Finn, I literally just sit here in a room by myself laughing out loud at your videos. The serotonin and knowledge I get from these videos are priceless.
As I've said for years.. Nu Metal needs a come back. As someone on another channel said. Everyone in rock nowadays is either to Pop or too Metal and everyone follows the same formula. There's a market that has dried up and is just waiting for some Nu Metal nourishment
1.) I had those Fieldy shoes! They didn't last long but I loved their look 2.) I hate that everything you say about Mudvayne isn't entirely wrong. They don't have the best curb appeal and their influence was minimal but I still love them. If you're talking musical talent they just about top any band on this list. Also, "Happy?" is their most radio-friendly but least nu-metal song, should of went with "A New Game" or "Determined".
I was into the whole new metal scene at the age of 10 in 1998.. I remember hearing coal Chambers first record and being blown away and I still think it holds up for me.
Do you live in Canada? They didn't get too big in America, however they were fairly successful during the early 2000s. I remember watching them live at Ozzfest, they weren't that bad live!
I feel like I’m sometimes considered the most “musically inclined” in my group but I grew up on this and I catch so much shit for liking this era haha. I remember 3rd grade, 5th graders were practicing teaching us stuff; my 5th-grade-mentor brought up the topic of bands we like and I said Orgy without much hesitation. Even in 3rd grade, seeing his reaction made me think “oh wow I’m kinda weird.” Love the content bro.
Remember being in high school and my buddy trying to get me into slipknot and mudvayne. The masks and face paint were always way too corny for me. That said mudvayne has since become a bit of a guilty pleasure. They've got some catchy songs.
@@lukelyall5879 wow it´s been a while since I last listened to Otep , I remember it was very cool but also very cringy. I really liked when she stopped using effects on her voice in The Ascension, gotta check them again
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Loved the video finn Cant wait for the second video!
Do you not like clean lyrics? Because.. an amazing vocalist... I think who gets no respect is the lead singer from Ultraspank.. especially..the " Progress " album
Korns first Album was Dark and groovy.
I use to skate to Coal Chambers self-titled. Devil Driver had some good stuff, but they're more MetalCore.
"Does anyone actually like these slower, quieter parts of Nu-Metal songs?" Me. I am the one. The contrast between the heavy and clean parts make the heavy parts slap that much harder.
Me too, sometimes the chill rap verses are the highlight for me with Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park etc. That's why I like nu metal because it has a bit of everything
He doesn't hate them as much as he claims. He says Korn is great, and most of their songs do that. I do agree that you have to do it well, though.
Your mention of clean parts making the heavy slap harder is why I will usually defend melodeath over regular death metal, though the purists hate on that. If it is nothing but growling and blast beats the whole album, you get used to it and it just doesn't feel as intense after a while.
Exactly
Used to love em as a kid but I got really annoyed by them as I grew older.
"Korn's drip is Untouchable" I see what you did there Finn lol
I would have issues with him if he didn't.
@Dave Richards I also see what you did *there* 👀haha
@@christianhackl474 I mean it's pretty obvious, you would have to be Blind to not see that
@tiagovalen good god, you're great at this
You know all these other nu metal bands Follow The Leader
Mudvayne had a little bit more success than you think. When they won a VMA and wore all white suits covered in blood, that was an iconic Nu Metal moment.
Legit just watched that last week cause it popped into my feed lol
They had songs in multiple movies as well
I remember having heard new (nu) songs by Mudvayne on rock radio in late 2008, so there’s that.
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Mudvayne was just below slipknot imo in that mask wearing group ahead of mushroomhead for sure
Mudvayne as a whole wasn't very influential but EVERY numetal kid that played bass shit their pants the first time they listened to LD50. Hell, I was a regular guitar player and I was blown away. Ryan Martini is undeniable on bass guitar.
Fucking Beast Mode! Ryan is so cool.
I did shit my pants when I heard the bass on LD50. I had never heard anything like it and it is the reason i started playing bass
Ryan Martinie's influence is plastered all over metal bass these days. The Jinjer bassist is a prime example. He is basically just carrying on the legacy. Before him the bassist was just "supposed to" play the rhythm root notes to give the guitars more punch. Martini could legitimately be considered the driving force in many of their songs. I know for me as a bass player, he was and still is one of my biggest influences.
@@kennyhouser3467 100%. I remember me and a bass player friend of mine learning Mudvayne songs to jam together back in the early 2000's. Watching him play along to the song Dig while I played guitar I couldn't believe the fret board acrobatics he was pulling off. The regular guitar work in that song is pretty basic but the bass was next level. I'd never seen a bass played like that in metal.
Can confirm, picked up bass in 3rd grade, discovered LD50 as a freshman in HS, now at 26 I can say without a doubt, that one album has had way more influence on my bass playing than any single other source. I picked up so many little techniques trying to emulate Ryan.
I'm dying here because of how obsessed Finn is with Orgy's "giga-chad jaws" 😂
Your commentary is some of the funniest on YT!
Thank you!
Karen meets Edward Scissor Hands 🤣🤣🤣
I say we Go Found Finn's chin fillers lol
Haha damnit, I just left a comment about this lol. I went to a little hillbilly farm school with 100 kids in each class and the girls STILL loved Jay Gordon
Orgy was the best
Finn: "Korn has 5 albums in the billboard top 10"
Korn: "14... but you were close."
Only 2 didn't make it... Korn & Requiem
As a kid who grew up in a very religious home, P.O.D. was allowed because it was christian and they were honestly my gateway to finding Linkin Park and moving into heavier music as I got older. Mad respect to P.OD.
I found a Living Sacrifice CD at the local Berean(Christian FYE) and my parents HATED it. I bought a Christian metal DVD and my mom did take that one from me haha. "Heaven's Metal" I think it was called, it was just too "extreme."
Have you ever heard of seventh Angel? Their album Lament for the weary goes hard
This is me 💯💯💯
That Mudvayne-Dig video is legendary. You can give it shit, but if it wasn't as "cringe" as you say, it never would have got them on people's radar and really launch their careers. And it's arguably more popular now then it was back then.
How the hell is Mudvayne more popular now than they were back in the dsy? I dont get it?!? I met them in Detroit and Ryan is as cool as you would think.
Nobody remember mudvaynes famous MTV awards appearance? They were awesome to us 13 year olds
A tier band for sure
@@alanomie because "brr brr dang, brr brr dang" is a meme at this point. And the internet is undefeated at spreading popularity of a meme.
BRR BRR DENG
Mudvayne was amazing. Chad's lyrics and Ryan's bass playing was out of this world. L.D. 50, The End of All Things to Come, and Lost and Found were amazing albums.
Even their self-titled their newest one from 2009 was really good
Ld50 & five pointe o’s untitled hve aged gracefully
Lost and found is a god tier album
Brr brr deng brr brr deng brr brr deng
@@sickfitz4256 nu metal at its best
Man, Mudvayne are 100% great. You gotta listen to the entirety of L.D.50. The hype isn't false.
Nope... nothing to gien is fuckin insane. So many great moments. Prod?!?
I want it on record that Ryan Martinie from mudvayne is one of the best bassists from this era and was part of the reason I started playing bass.
Bought me a Warwick Thumb bass last week just cause of him. Ryan is an amazing musician and super humble person.
Facts, all of them are amazing musicians. Chad is my favorite metal vocalist. I hate Hellyeah tho
too bad hes with Fodera now.. Gotta get me a Fodera instead xD
he’s a talented vocalist too
I'd argue he's one of the best bassists period not just of the era
Speaking of Mudvayne, Ryan Martinie deserves even more credit than he already gets. His influence is seen all over the metal scene. Everywhere from Metalcore on down to Tech Death. He made bassists actually leading songs instead of just playing whatever root notes the rhythm guitarist is playing a thing. His playing is where my liking of their music begins and ends. I can think of at least 12 riffs I've made myself in that style.
I could listen to you talk about and be excited about Nu-Metal all day everyday.
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Same
@@matthewerne9178 yes dude, Roach koach is fucking essential for any Nu Metal enthusiast
Lol Nu Metal RULES. I don't care what anyone says
Roach Koach is The Nu Metal MBA
As a nu metal kid from the 90s. I loved the clean vocals an cringe whispery parts, not gonna lie
Bro I still pump this shit 20 years later likes it's fresh asf also still rocking Osiris like it's 2001
@@xXchaotic-spiteXx *HELL YEAH…!!!!* *Brother, I HOPE YOU STILL ARE.* 🙏🤜🤞
Well soulfly is my biggest influence
Soulfly are dope, and got their name from a dope song that Max did with Deftones called Headup.
You ever wonder what’s in those backpack? 😂
Left me hanging! :)
@@beastmerc84 DDOOOOOD...Headup goes hard as fuuuuuuuck. Back in 1998 (or whenever) that song was filthy as hell and one of the main reasons I love Deftones so much
I dont believe you..lol....but I do like soulfly
Mudvayne´s LD50 is to this day the most complete album ever for me. I love every song on it, even the transitional pieces. The whole album is so cohesive, i hardly can listen to one song alone, have to listen to it from start to finish.
You can definetly count them as New Metal, but they have so many prog elements, especially on their first 2 albums. Weird time signatures, tempo changes, song structures, interesting (imo) lyrics to fill pages.
As many other pointed out before, Ryan had/still has a HUGE influence on metal bass players to this day.
Saw them live like 5 or 6 times and they killed it everytime, playing always 1h+ sets, giving all they got, esp Chad who i felt was close to passing out a lotta times.
I´m obviously biased, so im a bit salty about that b-tier xD
Love your content tho, but please listen to LD50, im sure you´ll love it.
Cheers
As a deftones fan I’m already preparing myself to be offended in part 2 😆
ha. I just commented basically the same thing.
To be fair, we're horribly abusive lol
I’m glad he’s gonna finally give an opinion on them and SOAD without being forced to make whole videos.
Deftones are like such a niche thing. Around the Fur is probably my favorite album of theirs, but everything after that is more commercially successful. I didn't realize that their latest album reached #5 on billboard, that's crazy. But, I don't know, it's like they exist in a vacuum. I wouldn't cite them as a big influence on a lot of things, they just carved their niche out and do it really well.
I don't see a lot of toxic Deftones fans. Everybody I know that love Deftones, are genuinely nice people. I've been to 2 of their shows, got pictures of me and Chino taking in Raleigh, NC, and everyone was cool. I never try and push them on others either. I usually tell people that they might not like it, and if they do we can talk about them.
Never understood the underappreciation towards Mudvayne. They shit slapps...
I think they got the appreciation they deserved. They weren't as influential as bands like Korn or Slipknot and just didn't have the same lasting appeal and originality those bands had. I remember seeing them on the 2nd stage at Ozzfest 2001, honestly I kind of paid half attention to them I was probably preoccupied and just getting hyped up for Marilyn Manson and Black Sabbath, they both were amazing live back 2 back!
Their "singer" is beyond fucking terrible.
@@DaveFurbush Your wackass opinion...
I'll always love Nu-Metal. If I had kids it'd be my embarrassing Dad music. Right now it's just my embarrassing Uncle music.
Edit - Coal Chamber are unironically one of my favourite bands. I genuinely used to dress like that in the early 00's.
lmao, I kinda dig coal chamber's style. their music is perfectly heavy and the crazy outfit styles that they did were not *too* cringey.
I saw them live a few times back in the day. CC were a good band but they certainly were no Korn or Deftones, they kind of ripped off Korns sound, but they were a good live band!
Their album dark days is top tier nu metal
@@kandykorn4425 How Finn talked about them for about 5 minutes without even a snippet of “Fiend” baffled me.
People tend to forget about Coal Chamber.... Snot too
As a Kittie fan I was ready for someone to once again talk about Kittie as Nu metal even though only a few songs on their first album were that.
Really appreciate you showing songs like cutthroat and pointing out that they later transitioned to straight up metal!
Kittie rules.
Yes we do like those "boring" parts. Thats called texture, that same Korn had a ton of them, didnt seem to bother you.
If you start the song at 10 and remain at 10, 10 doesn't feel so powerful. Need some lows to appreciate the highs.
Big gitar string go chug chug
Im with finn on this one, but I do like clean bridges when they accomplish a mood or “clash” with the rest of the song in an intentionally environmental/ dissonant way. often times they don’t seem to add anything, and that’s what sets bands like korn and soulfly apart, the songwriting in korn is just objectively better than most other nu metal and every section of a korn song is a hook so the little worm parts just make their songs even more catchy
That’s cause Korn knew how to do it right. Daddy being a great example. The tension Korn built in their soft parts actually did build texture and make the heavy parts even heavier. But in a lot of Nu Metal bands it is just a weird back and forth.
@@loompy1440 They understand Groove & Melody for sure
The "Oriental - U Like U Eat Buffet" Soulfly font got me dead.
Now they just need to do an album cover of their logo on Chinese take out and the circle will be complete.
I can’t think of Nu-metal without thinking about all the industrial-tinged sci-fi movies and video games of the early 2000’s. Goes together like peanut butter and jelly…
Battlefield Earth, Queen of the Damned, man that makes me have some weird flashbacks
@@DBL304 Daredevil,Doom,Punisher
The matrix
@@GREG_Khar-NÜ-Metalhead2000 big facts!
Yes!!! This is maybe my favorite part of the nu metal aesthetic
0:00 Intro
1:04 Korn
5:06 Soulfly
9:12 Orgy
13:51 Coal Chamber
16:53 Kittie
20:11 P.O.D.
23:17 Mudvayne
I think the reason people (like myself) love mudvaybe is the sound. chad gray (in my opinion) is one of the most talented male vocalists out there. love his sound, incredible range, incredible control over his voice, etc. ryan is obviously one of the greatest bass players to ever grace metal music. matt is an INCREDIBLE drummer who pairs extremely well with ryan. honestly their weak point is their guitarist greg, but he’s solid and does exactly what he needs to fit the music. combine that with consistently good songs (once again in my opinion), and it becomes tough not to like them.
at least my 2 cents.
good video though, entertaining and inciteful as always
Feel the same way about the individual members. I really enjoyed hearing Chad’s vocals evolve throughout time on the albums. Great band all around.
They would be great, but their lyrics are F tier. Just truly awful.
@@SerErryk you’re wrong but ok
you killed me with "this is some advance drip wizardry going on here, this man knows what he's doing"
My old band opened for Kittie in like 2007. They were good live and were cool enough to hang with us after the show. Was a good time.
One of them now has a damn good doom band, The White Swan.
@@devenscience8894 Yeah White Swan fucking rocks.
What was your band??
@@nicholasmisiak4724 illbred theory. Just a local band that got lucky. Was nothing big.
I will defend Kittie till I die
I actually met Rizzo back in his Ill Nino days, my GF at the time asked him "what's with the bag?" to which he replied "it's just a look, why not." High possibility the dude had nothing in the bag at all, what's more nu metal than wearing an empty backpack?? Very little I'd imagine.
Gotta say: Mudvayne is easily my favorite band out of this video, but "Happy?" is such a good song, people just give it shit because it's not as heavy. I'd still say "Lost And Found" is a good album, not their best, but definitely better than their self-titled
Fkn love Happy.
“Determined” is heavy, ld 50 is like prog nu metal
great album
The problem is Lost and Found came after LD50 and EoATtC.
Happy? Was an amazing song!
P.O.D is the best live performance I've ever seen and I saw them in 2011 after their peak popularity.
numetal is becoming one of my favorite subgenres ever no cap
Orgy's like my favorite band and I'm just happy that you even gave them a spot. It seems like they always get left out when talking about nu-metal but they had a lot going for them, especially with the aesthetics. I just wish the new Orgy lineup and music didn't seem like a complete betrayal of everything that came before it.
Same, they were like the perfect fusion of Nu Metal and Industrial
Part of nu metal's influence is from grunge, which is why you sometimes get the quiet verses with loud chorus (which was practically a requirement in grunge). I will agree it was usually not that great, though Korn always knew how to do it right. Most of their songs do the quiet verse with loud chorus.
I see we saved most the heavy hitters for part 2. Makes us come back for Part 2, so good hustle!
My biggest memory of Mudvayne was watching the Dig video when it first came out with my then infant son in my arms and it scared him so much he started crying histerically, and I quickly changed the channel. And every time he heard those first couple of notes he'd start bawling. Mudvayne, traumatizing boys since 2001.
Listening to Orgy makes me realize that this is EXACTLY what Skillet was trying to imitate in some songs in their first couple albums holy crap. Then they jumped on the Shinedown train, and now they're just Christian Imagine Dragons. Their newest song goes pretty hard though
Their new song is still as predictable as it gets.
@@jasonlovesmusicreacting882 I don't disagree at all. It's just nice to actually hear some real guitars in the intro and outro finally lol. The processed drums in the verses were a bummer and the progression (especially the chorus) was so obvious.
I hate that John's side project has been so "one and done". He was doing some kinda cool "Old Skillet" sorts of stuff with that and I really liked the entire EP.
@@coleG112 I just heard about his side project the other day. There’s a lot of potential in it and the guy can yell. And yeah, I cannot stand that chorus. I read a comment about how it’s meant for Madden or WWE. I do like the way the guitars sound but would be nice to hear more than just power chords.
Interesting take I never noticed that good observation
Isn't Imagine Dragons Mormon already
Ryan Martini is the greatest bass player in Metal, hands down. Glad I got to do alot of concert's from 99 to today. First time mudvayne concert was 03. Damn I'm old
Hey Finn did you know that I LOVE THE DEFTONES
I believe that Deftones gets away with it for not being so cringe as most nu-metal ;D
Who doesn't
@@ChiefWiggum-sf7uq me 🤷🏾♀
@@jasonlovesmusicreacting882 also me
@@xwolfiegreenwoodx omg we do exist lol
I really like the clean parts !! It's really setting an amazing atmosphere when it's well done . Like in korn you can really feel jonathan's emotions and that's why it's interesting.
You need to listen to more mudvayne, the bass player is one of the best bass players in history, also the vocal range of the singer is massive, not on Maynard's level but pretty close.
Finn doesn't care for Mudvayne, but youre right, he absolutely should!
Mudavayne's whole rhythm section is S tier. They are super talented musicians, but unfortunately the band wasn't around for that long. I think they would be at the same alt-metal level as Deftones had the band continued.
@@alanomie “Bad drip” 🤦🏽♀️😆
I saw this somewhere but he has 4 octaves which is 1 or 2 more than average, the drummer matt is a really good songwriter and surprisingly is really good at ambient stuff, Ryan martinie is obviously one the of the best bass players in modern metal and the guitarist is really great at supporting the band.
so the thing about the clean parts is that it makes the heavy parts feel shit ton more heavier a good example is korn's falling away from me. the main riff is heavy but after the little clean break it sound so much heavier
So happy I heard the L.D.50 album from Mudvayne before seeing their music video for "Dig". I don't think I would have bothered if I saw this video first. Their song for Saw II, "Forget to Remember", is pretty damn good. "Internal Primates Forever" is their best song IMO.
I don't even think Orgy was much of a nu metal band, their second album was pretty damn awesome I remember owning that and really enjoying it.
I agree, Orgy was an industrial metal, and that is a maybe. But I love their music.
Deftones toxic fanbase police here to check if Deftones is in fact S-Tier
They better be!
In the 20+ years I've been listening to the Deftones, you are the second person I've seen call their fanbase toxic.
@@peazeralus pretty sure he was being sarcastic.
@@dalekay9ine no, Finn has a rule never to talk about Deftones in any meaningful way because of their fanbase. Plus, he doesn't like them, which is too bad, because their influence has only risen.
@@peazeralus the other one is Finn?;)
Listening to Stitches by Orgy makes me feel like they were so ahead of it’s time. Could totally see Motionless in White or Bad Omens putting up something like this
Oh my god that bit about "seeing someone in Fieldy shoes at a bus stop near a methadone clinic" had me screaming 🤣🤣
I bet the dude in Korn with the sleeveless shirt is the drummer.
You said he wasn't cooperating with the nu metal look, but remember, there's the character of the "swole" drummer with sleeveless shirt in a lot of bands.
Nu Metal drip is the best drip in metal change my mind
I agree.
Mudvayne puts on a hell of a show
The “backpack guy” from Soulfly was Marc Rizzo! Roy was one of their old drummers... he’s now in Stone Sour 🤘🏻
He still carrying that backpack?
@@gpcbt89 Not anymore haha. He started wearing it when he was in Il Nino and then kept it for his first few years with Soulfly I believe
I saw Soulfly open for Slayer back in 2002. Can confirm no backpacks at that point, but Roy had awesome pink and black hair at that time.
"Inside his backpack are the headphones for that Linkin Park guy" is a VERY underrated chat comment lmao
The biggest influence that Mudvayne made was Ryan Martinies bass tone and technique
As far as musicianship is concerned, Mudvayne is leaps and bounds better than all the bands in this list. Mudvayne was my gateway to progressive rock and their first 3 albums RIP
Exactly. 💯
Deftones, Korn… honestly that’s about as good as it gets for S tier
But I fucking looove Orgy
Have you heard of Cold?
He hates deftones
Deftones is by far the best "nu metal" band
@@kushalbhattacharjee2252 he hates the fans
Deftones is great but do they really count as a fully nu metal band? It's just Adrenaline, half of Around the Fur, and like one song off White Pony.
I hated Nu Metal in high school. But the band that was certainly a part of that world that I have a soft spot for was Powerman 5000. They were kitsch and at least somewhat self aware. They were a jocks idea of what Devo was, but amusing. There were also some bands I felt were un-fairly associated with it (deftones, SOAD)
Finn,after watching your 'big four of metalcore' I was wondering if you'll do big four of nu metal as well.would be super stoked if you do this.
For nu metal it's obvious I think Linkin Park, Limp Bizkits, Korn and Slipknot
This needs to happen. His big four of pop punk video was unexpected but convincing, so I'm sure he would make this fun.
@@RaviYadav-bj6mw limp bizkit were big yes,but they were way too goofy to be a part of any top four.I will take Deftones in their place and bam,that's my big four of nu metal right there
Metallica = Linkin Park (most successful and went the most mainstream later)
Megadeth = Limp Bizkit (cuz Durst definitely has some of those douchey Mustaine vibes)
Slayer = Slipknot (I think the reasons are obvious, Slayer was more brutal than most other thrash, and Slipknot was as heavy as nu metal got)
Anthrax = Korn (early pioneersbecame forgettable in the middle stretch of their career then brought it back with the return of a key band member, and their team up with Skrillex is reminiscent of Anthrax's Bring the Noise crossover)
Korn, Deftones, Slipknot, linkin park
Damn, Kittie held up better than i would have expected, those riffs are actually pretty good, better guitar tone than alot of other nu metal
I'm glad some dude on YT is helping me work through my late 90s to early 00s Nu Metal shame lol
I still love the Deftones tho
“POD is a Christian band, there’s no whale tale in their videos!” LMFAO
Unless it’s an actual whale breaching during the surf scenes
Sonny had my favorite voice in this group, didn’t matter they were Christian to me. Satellite had like 4 or 5 huge songs.
Check out their Awakening album!! But Murdered Love was just about as heavy as Snuff the Punk and Brown!!
"androgynous industrial/nu-metal gigachad" is my new gender thank you finn
22:25 Man, I am a drum and guitar teacher, and I am SOOOO grateful.for Boom by POD! Super easy to play (drums if simplified, that is), fun and enjoyable, and man that video!!! I have yet to meet a single one of my students who doesn't like that song and video! Especially the 10-12 yo demographic really digs it. Thanks POD :D
Mudvayne was and is amazing. L.D. 50 and The End of All Things to Come were phenomenal. And pretty sure if you look at the lyrics to Cultivate, it will give some insight to their name.
Kitties second album "Oracle" was badass. Heavy as fuck, just the right amount of polish, and those broads can write and arrange songs like nobody's business. Won't say underrated as a band, but I feel a lot of people slept on that album
I still love it now like 20 years later
all their albums are fuckin gold
Most people wrote off Mudvayne because of their makeup. If people gave them a chance beyond their gimmicky look- they would have seen so much talent in that band. Orgy was an awesome band that was ahead of their time. They didn’t have nu metal drip- they were in their own futuristic lane. I loved that band’s first two albums.
Mudvayne should be tier A, they were every popular.
I agree.
Agree, and highly influential too, especially Ryan Martinies bass playing has inspired a lot people to start playing bass.
I agree, my favorite band. Bro musically they are the most superior band when it comes to musician ship other than maybe slipknot but that's a huge maybe
@@RCX817 yee. I honestly don't find the face paint cringey.
@@theirishpotato6588 no not at all, it's part of the show
Personal list from back in the day :
S :
Korn
Deftones
SOAD
Slipknot
Limp Bizkit
Machine Head
Sepultura
Linkin Parl
B :
Mudvayne
Kittie
Coal Chamber
Never got into POD or any of the other though
Where’s Ill Niño?
@@jasonfromguitarcenter Never got into sorry
7:22 Hell no! those clean parts are written to build tension for the mosh pit to explode as soon as the screaming parts starts and the band picks up again!
I agree.
Was looking for this comment as soon as I heard that...lol
I thought Mudvayne was named after the vein a heroin addict uses to shoot dope, making it a muddy vein.
I laughed out loud a good 3 times during this video, especially during the ending. Holy Shit. More of this, Finn. I'm dying from the dunks and hot takes.
Only good thing that came out of being forced to go to youth group as a kid was my love of heavier music. POD, Thousand Foot Crutch, Switchfoot . Quickly expanded to secular rock of course but those were definitely what got my foot in the door listening to a bunch the bands that I grew up loving.
This was hilarious, especially the drip parts
Although I'd have to say that the part about mudvayne having no stage presence tells me that you probably never saw them live
The Alter Boys - Famine Ghost
3 Quarters Dead - World Full Of Nothing
Church - Hold The Blame
Garmonbozia - Once Embraced, Pt. 2
Tenafly Viper - Rawk On It
Hatrix - Psychoface
A Killer's Confession - A Killer's Confession
Pitch Black Forecast - So Low
(216) - Theme Song
Jeffrey Nothing - Paint The Whole Dream Evil
Best Coal Chamber song will always be "Big Truck" for me.
That's a good one. But I like Sway a little more
Tyler’s Song
Headstones and the Walking Dead for me, the riff is infectious and the lyrics are hilariously bitchy since the band was breaking up. 😂
The big four of nu metal would be fun
Try learning a few Mudvayne songs, Bass drums guitar or vocals. To me they’re the most technical and progressive out of all of these bands other than Slipknot. I was never into the face paint or anything but the songs are no joke.
When I saw Korn in 97. Jonathan came out in a silver ADIDAS track suit. It was definitely drippy. Orgy and HED PE opened for them. Korn fucking killed it. All the fans completely destroyed the midsouth Colosseum by standing on the seats and breaking them off and throwing them at the poor security.😂
Finn, I could definitely watch you for hours and hours talking about Nu Metal
Pod's song alive dropped around the 9/11 attacks, and just took off, that chorus was perfect for healing from that.
Adema, korn, bizkit, static X and deftones are S tier.
Adema was never an influential or comercial successful band
@@clothbooster they are my personal favorite of the nu metal age. So, yeah, my opinion
😂😂😂 oh….you’re serious
I've been looking for who made that cover of Blue Monday forever, thought it was nine inch nails but could never find it. For years, I only had the memory of the song's sound! Thanks, nu metal!
Kittie for their age were way ahead of so many groups. Watched their documentary and thier producer spoke about how tight and well rehearsed they were.
They were about the same age of the cast of that 70s show
KoRn fashion is heavily influenced by Bakersfield. It's hard to explain, but when you see it, you'll know.
Mudvayne's LD50 is one of the best albums ever, and live with the costumes made it even better. It's okay if you don't get it like a lot of us, but damn I think it's just awesome. It's a great way to show something visually interesting along with the great music. I seriously believe you should rethink your opinion on Mudvayne. Ryan Martinie is also one of the best bassists in the metal scene, super humble and nice guy too. Huge bass inspiration
Finn, I literally just sit here in a room by myself laughing out loud at your videos. The serotonin and knowledge I get from these videos are priceless.
As I've said for years.. Nu Metal needs a come back. As someone on another channel said. Everyone in rock nowadays is either to Pop or too Metal and everyone follows the same formula.
There's a market that has dried up and is just waiting for some Nu Metal nourishment
1.) I had those Fieldy shoes! They didn't last long but I loved their look
2.) I hate that everything you say about Mudvayne isn't entirely wrong. They don't have the best curb appeal and their influence was minimal but I still love them. If you're talking musical talent they just about top any band on this list. Also, "Happy?" is their most radio-friendly but least nu-metal song, should of went with "A New Game" or "Determined".
It would be cool if he'd bring up snot because I think they're heavily underrated
I was into the whole new metal scene at the age of 10 in 1998.. I remember hearing coal Chambers first record and being blown away and I still think it holds up for me.
Kittie was HUGE at my middle school. A group of my friends played brackish at the talent show.
Do you live in Canada? They didn't get too big in America, however they were fairly successful during the early 2000s. I remember watching them live at Ozzfest, they weren't that bad live!
@@LeadMe2TheBliss not Canada but Detroit
I feel like I’m sometimes considered the most “musically inclined” in my group but I grew up on this and I catch so much shit for liking this era haha. I remember 3rd grade, 5th graders were practicing teaching us stuff; my 5th-grade-mentor brought up the topic of bands we like and I said Orgy without much hesitation. Even in 3rd grade, seeing his reaction made me think “oh wow I’m kinda weird.” Love the content bro.
Remember being in high school and my buddy trying to get me into slipknot and mudvayne. The masks and face paint were always way too corny for me. That said mudvayne has since become a bit of a guilty pleasure. They've got some catchy songs.
LD 50, Issues, Significant Other, Down With the Sickness, And Incubus’ first album were my first 5 albums I actually bought
Mudvayne played amazing shows when they first came out plus Iconic songs
This is by far my favorite video of yours so far. I just started watching a couple days ago. Awesome channel.
Thank you!
Another all female Nu-Metal band was Jack Off Jill. Highly underrated.
What about otep? The singer is female
@@lukelyall5879 wow it´s been a while since I last listened to Otep , I remember it was very cool but also very cringy. I really liked when she stopped using effects on her voice in The Ascension, gotta check them again
...JOJs Agent Moulder ❤
In southern California we didn't even get kohls until 2003. Buying jeans (in the 90's) was Mervyn's, Miller's Outpost or Anchor Blue.
Nu metal is better than black metal 💯
It's definitely less cringe.
based opinion
Can’t stand black metal lmao and thrash/metal elitists are the worst
@@nighthawk9532 I like both Black Metal and Thrash but they have WORST FAN BASES EVER.
As a Slap Bass Player who Grew up on them Korn and Mudvayne Coal Chamber was most definitely influential
Snot, Amen and One Minute Silence are very underrated! (I can also add old Skindred, Ill Nino and Ultraspank)
Definitely