When People Forget To Have Fun In FFXIV Island Sanctuary...
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ก.พ. 2025
- Quazii discusses complaints about time gating and optimization related to FF14 Island Sanctuary.
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My only complaint with Island Sanctuary is the lack of options to personalize the island/buildings/layout. I'm sure we will get more of these in the future. I went hard on it only because I wanted to start producing a source of cowries for the mounts. While like the gold saucer I don't want instant gratification (the feeling when saving up that first 1,000,000 mgp for Fenrir was amazing) when we set out to achieve the goals the journey to reach the final payoff needs to be as rewarding as the prize at the end of the line.
Tbh idc about personalize cuz this is not a house this just an island sanctuary, the base in my island is not my house it a base that on MY island
Yea I wish there was a bit more personalization options. Like buildings based on architecture from the main city states. Or just more than 3 options for the looks of the hideaway besides grass, dirt, and stone.
I enjoy the Island Sanctuary, I've not bothered about being "efficient" at all. I just go there, mine some copper or harvest some flowers, build the structures and whatever else there is.
On my island I only have monkeys & I only plant pumpkins.
Thats great playing it your way :)
MONKEE
I haven't even started to smell the flowers yet. That's how slow I am.
I'm personally not a fan of timegating because instead of letting people do things at their own pace (yes, speedrunning is still "their own pace"), it *tells* people how fast they should be pacing themselves. Also am not a fan of how their tutorials are presented in awkward paragraphs of text. It makes shit feel more like a mobile game, though that being described as a glorified submarine or squadron system makes sense too.
However, the core foundations are still there and timegating doesn't really "ruin" the experience, though I just think it doesn't have to be there. I think people just want their cool glamours and rewards ASAP because good ponytails are definitely something people have been wanting for *ages*. Or play in short bursts so they can enjoy other parts of the game, or even other games.
Otherwise, you did bring up a good point. Other than the glamours and rewards that you will get eventually, it really doesn't matter on how fast or slow you pace yourself.
The problem isnt the min maxing. Its the fact you have to manually grind just to keep things going. Maxed out sanctuary? Great! Assign people to manage all your farms. Pay them every single day. Right click them to harvest the crop and harvest mats from the animals- or the crops will die and animals go away. You need to grind more, if you dont want to watch your workshops stop because they dont have mats to make items and pay your laborers!
Sadly, the island is MADE to demand constant interaction to keep going. So its not surprising everyone is taking it seriously and not taking it slow.
My only issue is with the speed of the crop growth when compared to the speed of the workshop agendas and the pasture. those timings should line up, so even if there's a time-delay, it doesn't feel like a "timegate". it may look simple, but games like harvest moon and animal crossing have perfected these things. the goal is for casual content that you can "zen out" in while doing. the problem with the production timings not lining up is that it creates frustration, and that sense of frustration takes people out of that state of flow that people that enjoy this genre of games crave.
Look at the seeds before you plant them, it states the exact time it takes for them to grow, all the basic gatherable seeds take exactly 48 hours, if you've remembered to water them. - Easy to time it with the pasture leavings every 2 days that way.
Yes, acquiring rarer materials for pricier handicrafts isn't very well tuned to the speed of handicraft making. It's difficult to plan to make more than the basics, which can go from "nonexistent stock" to "surplus" even just making them a few times in a season.
@@NainakaiAyita I got all seed and as of right now they all take 48 hours.
This is not so bad once you have 3 workshops, 2 granaries and 2 to 4 cropland and pastures.
Look at the popularity of items and pick things where the popularity is rising and the supply is insufficient or nonexistent. Then making sure to alternate between things to get efficiency bonus, line up the workshop even if you don't have the items.
Once the workshop for the next day or two is set, check the material allocation. Gather whatever you can gather that shows up with a Deficit in the last column (if the deficit says -5, gather 5 so the deficit is 0). Then plant whatever you need two days in advance. Also catch animals whose guaranteed drop you need and give them the cheapest food so they just give you the guaranteed leaving.
Also send the granary exploration to whatever area has the hidden item you will need in a couple of days.
Basically it's just planning.
@Daniel Morgan Jr 1) No need for the condensending attitude. If its not meant, then apologies, but it looks like it.
2) Yes, that is a "them" thing. ThTs why they started with "my only problem is..." rather than "the problem with Island Sanctuary is...". They are owning that its an issue they, specifically, have but not everyone will have an issue with.
3) Its cool that you can walk around, enjoy the island, take in the sights and that is good enough for you. But to apply that to everyone is foolish at best. People like a sense if progression, even in casual heavy games. Asking for an activity to "zen" out for the average playerbase so the time gates are less noticeable is very fair feedback, and vital as Yoshi P has even said they wanted feedback for IS since it is new content.
Something as simple as maybe mini games that can be played on the island, such as something to do with the pets at the Pasture, or "helping the mammots" when they are building something to give it a small boost, or puzzles to complete, jump puzzles, if we get crazy we can even through in golf, chess, etc. In otherwords, they are mentioning why some have an issue and what they may like as an alternative. Be mindful of their fun as well, because the OP wasnt demanding rhe change or anything, but giving their own view in a mature way.
people saying that the "Spreadsheet gamers" are ruining island sanctuary need to stop and reconsider some stuff. The Island is a solo instance thing, how one person chooses to do it doesn't affect you in the slightest. You are not required to look at there spreadsheets or graphs, charts, lists. Them minmaxing the island doesn't affect your game experience in LITERALLY any way, shape or form. Stay in your lane, and let the die-hards who wanna run through it ASAP play there way, just like they are letting you play yours. Seven hells, they're even giving you an extra resource if you decide to try playing that way later on yourself in that those charts and graphs are already up.
TL;DR the die-hards doing island there way doesn't affect the people complaining at all. go touch grass.
Then those same die hard complain to the devs that there is nothing to do, because of the dash to the finish line.I guess not rushing and actually take your time with content is a silly idea.
I am definitely the sort of person that loves this sort of low stress grindy content.
I got my sanctuary to rank 10 yesterday and completed building my hideaway this morning, the time gates actually work to pace the completion of the construction to match the rate at which you acquire the cowries you need to expand quite well, if you are not obsessed with exp grinding to reach maximum rank immediately and you hold back on buying the glamer until you finish the construction. Though I did do exp grinding while waiting for ranks 8 and 9 to finish constructing, but as I said above I do love doing low stress grinding. :)
"Stop and smell the flowers" is a fine premise, so long as there are flowers to smell.
I don't even play daily, so I definitely haven't done much grinding on my island. I forget if I'm at rank 6 or 7, think it's just 6, but I enjoyed it more as I unlocked the workshop and granary. I think the bad points of the island sanctuary are:
1. Island Sprint should be toggled on permanently like the PVP sprint, cause you can already keep it up indefinitely. Just a QOL change so we don't have to mash that button all the time.
2. The orchestrion should play music across your entire island.
Otherwise I haven't run into real problems with it. I'm sure next time I play I'll see how mad my animals are or how bad my garden's gotten, but eh, whatever. None of it matters.
Id like for 2 if they made a "portable radio" for that, so if players want to, they can turn it on or off. But id love to listen to Oblivion all day haha
I'm at level 9, got the final land expansion and I am absolutely in love with this island.
I’ve been avoiding guides on island sanctuaries because of this. I just knew if I got in the mindset of min/max it would take the enjoyment out of it. Just taking my time. I even forgot to finish the raid this week because I was just spending all my time on my island lol.
I have just been having fun with it. I'm a casual players anyways. far as I'm concerned this mode is a huge breath of fresh air. being able to chill and just gather and listen to music or hang out with friends on the island. I think this is one of the best things added to the game in a very long time. just have fun with it.
I’ve learned to take a lot of complaints about FFXIV with a grain of salt because it’s they’re always soaked in sweat.
i care honestly very little for minmaxing or using spreadsheets for this. Its literally meant to be relaxing and calm, not to get stressful but.. well, what do I know. Just a casual player after all >.>
I'm keeping it pretty chill. I am almost level 6 on my island. Couldn't visit my island for 3 days due to congestion. I see the appeal going hardcore and optimizing the island, and I see the appeal of taking it easy.
I agree with you about "beating" the content in like 2 days then complaining that there's nothing to do...well duh there's nothing to do. You took a 4 month project and rammed it into a 48 hour blitz.
both my islands are rank 8 only thing I'm not chill about is twinklefleece is not showing to spawn for only lord knows how long
@@Jordsiee At my rate, it may take me about 3 more weeks to reach rank 10 on the island. Aside from that, I am also trying to just randomly find the rare species. No spoilers on how to get them for me. Also, if i exclude housing items and dyes, I will need to grind 85,000 cowries to buy 1 of everything on the shop. In 1 week, I've managed to get maybe 2k? cowries from my workshops. Now that's with missing out on 3 days of play. I'm not trying to be like "oh this will take exactly 3 month, 2 weeks, 4 days, 18 hours, 35 minutes, and 2 seconds to collect everything." 4 months is just a general idea of how much I expect myself to get through this content based on my personal experience. Considering there are people taking it even more casually than I am, 4 months is not a stretch.
@@Ladywizard its such a pain to catch, next spawn time is Sept.1 at 6-9PM Eorzea time. Good luck!
@@jenemba3 Where do you have a further spawn listing? lala only goes 24 hours out
@@Dublin.655 There are some things in the shop that you can't see initially. I won't spoil what though :P
I would like it if we can have the scions drop by from time to time.
There is indeed a fine line between optimizing because you love it and also flogging the grind unnecessarily beyond what the game intended. Most games like Island Sanctuary (AC:NH, Rune Factor 4, Stardew Valley, etc), I've played. I sunk hundreds of hours into RF4 particularly. However, I watched my friends and family play Animal Crossing: New Horizons during Covid. For some, it was their first time playing it. They went full ham--spent hours and hours on it, abused time travel, and whooshed through the content. The end result? Discontent. "Is this it? What do I do?" Many of them began to realize that while they had reached "endgame" and had nothing to do beyond maintenance, I was still enjoying my "slow" gameplay. I did end up leaving AC:NH because there wasn't any combat gameplay, but I recognized that the small incremental changes had become meaningless for many because they had min-maxed the fun out of everything and essentially 'cheated the system'. Most of them ended up wiping their data and starting fresh recently.
When IS arrived, I knew this would happen too, despite the time-gating. After Level 10, after people getting all the prizes etc, there'll be a "what now? is this it?" After all, while IS is robust for a mini-game within a game, it is by no means comparable to the complexity of RF4 or SV. It is also, as far as I know, incomplete and will be updated in the future. Additions to IS will also take time since it won't be updated every patch either. Yoshi-P has repeatedly tried to tell us that MMOs do not equal grindfests, while giving us some grinding options (I even did the Bozja grind for a ShB relic), but even so, he did give us some options for grinding and you can achieve a limited grind on IS... but in order for IS to provide a long-term, non-timegated grind, it'd have to be way more robust in terms of assets and rewards. I have some ideas on that, but we'll see what the team does.
Keeping all of this in mind, I have decided to go at it slowly. Even "slowly", I'm still further than I expected to be. I have steered away from guides (even the guides you made, Quazii, sorry!) because I want to learn it all on my own. And until my island reached 6, I didn't visit friends' islands either. I haven't min-maxed anything, but I can see the lure whenever I open up my tasks management box. Still, I feel like people have forgotten already what IS is about, what Yoshi-P has stated over and over on the design philosophy behind the island. This section of the game isn't poorly designed or structured necessarily, It is made with a very casual philosophy in mind. In fact, I think this philosophy runs throughout FFXIV as a whole...? Complaining on time-gating is on par here to WoW players complaining about "the lack of (raiding) content" in FFXIV's endgame simply because FFXIV doesn't have a pitiless gear grind and punishing boss runs with 'run back to your body' mechanics.
While I think there should be more variety when it comes to crop growth times (maybe like the berries take one day to grow and give less yeild and pumpkins take 3 days and give more yeild or something). These time gates are there to save the players from themselves
You know that there are people that, if there weren’t any timegates, would of 100% the island in 6 hours and then spent the other 6 complaining about the lack of content in Island Sanctuary.
this exactly. it's the same with raids, finishing a tier in a day - fck this raid too easy it's catered to casuals only. not finishing in a day - fck this raid too hard catered to super hard core only! like, people pls.
would have. i don't normally grammar nazi but 'would've' is short for would have, and 'would of' is starting to become way too widespread. Sorry. carry on :)
In all honesty, I haven't entered Island Sanctuary. I know people are hyped about this but there is so much content in FFXIV that it will be kind of hard to just mash it into one day (doing DR and dailies, Crafting 3-stars, Gathering the new nodes, finishing Hildi etc). So I'm just chilling out until I finish or feel satisfied with those before doing Island Sanctuary. I'm a fan of this kind of games but I want to do others first :D No problem with the time-gating part. It would be weird if it is not time-gated, to be honest :D Also, when it gets too tedious in-game, I always step back and relax so as I can play for most parts of the week without burning out :D
tbh i never took it seriously enough to care usually after a long day of raiding or doing my relic stuff i go to the island to relax. i like gazing at the sunsets on the horizon of it. i like gposing. and once i take care of my stuff i move on. sometimes illl just sit there and gather while i watch TH-cam videos.
but tbh. i dont care how other people play it because it doesnt affect me and my experience with it. if people want to rush it or go crazy with it. fine. i feel like people care too much of what other people are doing. if someone is harassing you on how slow or fast you are going just block them. simple
i actually like seeing all the ways people can enjoy the new content. the same way some people will opt to do the new dungeons with duty support first before other people or vice versa.
just enjoy ffxiv the way you want
Why are people complaining about players playing a single player mode that has no effect on you?
i like that FFXIV has more stuff to do on the side, but really im not into that kind of stuff i never even try it yet.... maybe someday... im more excited for the new dungeons in 6.25, but yes have fun thats what a game suppose to do :)
My only complaint is that I cannot AFK on my island, but I totally understand the need to not bloat the servers.
People complaining about timegating have never played Warframe lmao. Or played any game with really bad and constant timegating.
Playing those games(and mobile ones) is exactly why I despise time gating lol but ff14 not that bad
As a very casual player of island sanctuary who basically unlocked releasing my minions and then left my island with a surplus of minions and one workshop. My issue is the very real possibility the people who are mad that there is no more content after speedrunning it all are going to be the loudest with their complaints and then devs start changing stuff cause those people are mad, no matter how small the minority is.
My one complaint would be that I fed my animals the best food, had them all at maximum happiness and then logged off at around noon Sunday. Servers went down for the hot fix later so I couldn’t log in at night, got back from work Monday and when I check the animals they are all hostile. The rate at which they lose happiness feels too fast for something meant to be so casual, where a day and a half of not logging in means you can lose what feels like 2-3 days of input.
that's what the mammets are for. You can let them take care of your animals after upgrading your pasture to rank 3.
@@_Encie I have that feature unlocked, but it felt like something that would be useful if you could only check in 2-3 days a week. I’m able to check in once a day to handle those things and I feel like once a day should be what’s required to keep something like that close to topped off.
@@Tobeh I agree. I guess the expect everyone to use the mammets all the time.
@@Tobeh the mamet is quite usefull and cheap, is only 10 crownies per day just fyi. and is best used during maintenance day for you.
my only gripe is the feed/crop need to be manage one by one, imaigine setting it up for 20s.. such a chore to do so.
@@ShojiKareza that would be 200 cowries per day to handle the animals and I’d rather put them towards granary expeditions. I’m sure in the future we will have a surplus of them but in the beginning we’re scrimping and saving them for expansions and rare materials. Just feels needlessly harsh, like I shouldn’t even bother trying to maintain happiness for now since no matter what I use they’ll be hostile the next evening when I log in.
I'm semi-spreadsheet player and I enjoy the hell out of Island Sanctuary. Moreover, I think that time-gating is vital for this kind of content in order for it to feel meaningful.
People had the same complaints about animal crossing. Too slow and they couldn't get to the point where they can spreadsheet the entire game.
Time gating really only hurts people with minimal amounts of time though. The people who are going at it hard will hit every timegated thing asap. Meanwhile the player who has limited time and can only play on the weekends or whatever will hit a lot of annoying barriers that stops them from doing stuff.
I dislike the time gating, but only because I wish I could progress stuff at the pace I choose with the time I have available. Not because I want it all done asap.
@@JusteFantastico how ? the workshop lets you plan for two weeks in advance and it automates it. gives you exp and currency once you get online on the weekend so you don't feel behind. and it's not a race for others to do things faster.
@@ravenhellkite8124
It doesn't respect my time when I have it available, it respects the time when the developers *think* I should have it available. A lot of the timers are super strict and act as hard gates to any progress unless you're willing to grind stuff out.
Compare it to another time gated system like tomestones. Tomestones are basically "You have a week, get it however you see fit within that week." Sanctuary is "You must follow this strictly prescribed method that halts everything and you need to check the essentially daily timers to continue."
Totally up to you which you prefer, but I definitely prefer the flexibility of the tomestone style.
As an aside, It's not "racing" to want to do stuff on my own time without timers everywhere. Frankly people are way too concerned about how others are approaching the content when it doesn't affect them at all.
@@JusteFantastico ??? What strict timers are you referring to? And what are you even grinding? After the first couple days you can just set things two irl weeks out at your leisure and check in when you’re able.
I think situations are different for everyone. For example, I wasn't too interested in the islands and thought, it'll probably be a cool little thing to check out one day, until I figured out that there is not one, but two literal character customization options (the hair) to obtain from the islands. I'm in the boat where I want to have brand new ways to customize my legitimate character body, and of course I'd want it as fast as possible. I wouldn't complain that there's no more content or nothing left to do, I would say hell yeah I got my items, now I can move on to something else. (In my head with no knowledge of islands, I thought I'd be able to hop on, grind for a while, and knock this out) But I was met with the workshop time gates and others.
I think it just depends on what people want, I personally don't mind waiting for resources to build up for the mounts and glamour, but actual character customization options are prio number 1 in mmos for me and I tend to prioritize them over anything else.
I'm just saying there's different reasons why people might complain about a timegate. The greatest thing about not time gating is just that people can choose to go at their own pace or finish quickly.
The ones who actually complain about having nothing to do after just don't make any sense.
i played EVE Online for a while, so my appreciation for spreadsheet gamers might be a little biased, but if you’re having fun and not ruining anything for anyone else, more power to you!!
however, i also don’t think you should ever complain about game mechanics until you make the effort to learn the ins and outs of it
all just my personal attitude anyway 🤷♂️
I think it’s best not to rush it. It’s meant to be a place to chill, not a place to rush through. I stopped making any attempt to level once I hit 8. I’m currently half thru level 9, and I just opened up the last area and built the lighthouse. Just doing regular like my garden, picking up cowries from shipments, and other such, has been enough to level me. Just take your time, experiment, and have fun.
I actually made a spreadsheet to calculate the optimal creature roster...
And I really enjoyed making it, as well as waiting for the rare creatures to spawn to capture them!
I'm not a hardcore spreadsheet player to the point of trying to calculate the best workshop item queue, but (maybe because I'm an engineer) doing some level of optimization is something I genuinely enjoy.
o/ sup old friend hope you are well
@@QuaziiFFXIV Hi! Not often able to catch the streams lately but I'll try to be there next time!
I moved my main to Carbuncle on Elemental because an IRL friend plays there so we may bump into each other in DF lol.
I think the optimizing right now is due to that 17k cowrie in a week achivement, as well as people trying to figure out how the mechanics for the island/workshop actually work. The weekly reset threw off everyone's supply expectations really badly from what was "common sense"
Also I want a better bath landmark
No one is forgetting to have fun. The developers forgot to add playable content. It's all time gates and automated spreadsheets. There is literally nothing to actively do except gather mats to feed into an automated invisible manufacturing process that serves no purpose greater than the manufacturing itself.
It’s perfect for the way I play FFXIV. I don’t stay subscribed or play every single day but I always come back when I feel like it.
Just like a new expansion doesn’t give you flying right away, take your time and enjoy the content.
I am currently level 6 and I started on patch day. I am taking the most relaxing approach to this content. I log in say hello to my animals and check on manufacturing. I only ever gather to get the bare materials for workshops. And will only probably aim to upgrade facilities during the weekend.
I was also lvl 10 on the start of the third day cause i ignored the raids and everything and just gathered all the mats but i agree complaining about timegating when the "timegate" is literally just the fifth day until you can have everything if you want to is really really stupid. I personally enjoyed grinding mats, i gathered them to get a supply for the future so i don't have to gather that much in the next weeks.
Same here
I mean, I called this from the moment Yoshi-P announced islands and said it was going to be a slower-paced content that they did not expect people to go hard on island content. I said to my FC, "Yoshi-P has forgotten all about Ishgard Restoration. He's forgotten what playerbase he's talking to."
I saw this coming. XD
I named each of my shiny creatures after my static and guild mates lol
I went full grind early so future visits would be more relaxing without anything pressing hanging over me while being there. Kind of like playing PvP before rank 25, vs after rank 25.
I'm at level 8 on my island. I started a day late, but I haven't been going hard on it either. I play a lot of similar games, so I have a way of doing things that's efficient for me without requiring much work. Island Sanctuary is more shallow than other systems I've seen, and since it caps at level 10 and there aren't many ways to customize things, I see no reason to rush it.
That being said, it's a solo thing. People can play however they want to, and that won't effect anyone else. That's the best thing about it right now.
The only thing i am sad about is that the orchestrion i choose doesn't play on the whole island and that everytime i come to my island i have to put it on again, otherwise i love everything, i love catching creatures and giving them nicknames of characters from main and side stories
i dont think min maxing is the issue here. the issue is people farming it so hard they went out and farmed 10xp at a time to get level 10 in 3 days. also crafted nets and stuff that they would never use for more xp. they made a chore out of it instead of just having fun. and as much as they say they had fun running around hitting rocks for hours while watching something else on another scream they can lie to themselves all they want. now they have nothing to do but wait for their money to come in to get items.
I did that but that's actually something I like to do. I still gather even at rank 10 and my goal is to get 999 of each mat. there are people who enjoy that type of grind. I spent way too much time in diadem for months on end just hitting rocks and trees.
Reminds me of a comment by a guy who competes in BBQ competition.
Folks complaining: "Come on man. . .you are ruining the fun."
BBQ Guy: "Winning IS fun."
😄
i was somewhat annoyed with the slow progress through the later levels of island sanctuary until it clicked for me that youre meant to do most of it passively
I learned the last two times I ranked up that gathering the last 500-1.5k exp you need to get to the next rank isn't worth it. Because once you rank up you find out you just have more gathering to do to renovate/expand. It's tiring. Right now I'm at rank 8 and although I'm itching to gather the last bit of 5k exp I need, I won't. I'll just get it through the workshop and rank up tomorrow.
My only timegate-complaint would be that the only Cowries you can actually farm without being gated are completely useless.
All the good stuff is only buyable with the time gated ones you also have to spend those on your island.
I just spent 6000 I saved up for one of the hairstyles (the non-Estinien one).
So I spent 7 days to find out the hairstyle sucks. All because I have to wait for challenge log reset and the workshop to earn the "good cowries"
I agree with this 100 Percent, but other than that. I have no real issues :)
The philosophy behind that is most likely that they dont want you to consume everything in a few sessions. Given that we're most likely getting more updates in 6.4, they have like 8 months to pad things out so you don't feel bored fast when you have nothing to buy.
I feel like Island Sanctuary needs more side content that isn't for progressing but more for socializing/lore aspects.
The Orchestrion for instance would be nice to share the tune with other players in the area.
Or minor 'side content' functionality like making use of your DoH jobs to serve NPC food items for seafarer currency.
Or maybe 'serve' dishes to your friends this way too.
Turn your Island Sanctuary into a tourist trap for NPCs, and you might get interesting visitors from your MSQ visiting like fellow Scions and such.
Maybe Nanamo in disguise would 'visit' and you have a small cutscenes of her chattering about life, while eating the food you prepare for her, and commenting on your aesthetics.
Instead of min/maxing to level up and unlock your content, Naoki Yoshida should use Island Sanctuary as a personal social hub to cater to players and be rewarded for it, like a sort of minigame.
Earn custom titles that is unique to how you progress your season by catering to NPCs and Players, to get commendation for your own restaurant or hotel or whatever.
Very true. As an older gamer (39 years old) I log on once a day and just check my island. Super chilled at my own pace. I know I'll never be the best, the best even doesn't offer anything better and I like to drag the content out of the game nice and slow.
I'm a veteran farming sim enthusiast, so I know -how- to min/max, but I'm opting not to. I'm sitting somewhere in the middle ground and that's comfortable for me. I do my chores, do a bit of gathering, say hi to my minions, then go do other things in the game. If someone calls out a rare spawn, then I'll pop over and grab that, but I don't spend hours and hours and hours trying to do all the things ASAP. As long as you're having a fun, that's what matters.
I never min/max anything, but I put some effort into this cus I wanted to see the next buildings we can play with. I must know!
I mostly just like to hang out on my island with my animals and minions while I craft. It would be nice if there was a summoning bell though. I got rank 9 without really grinding, just planting and harvesting and petting all my animals. But I do love a good spreadsheet and can work on that while I macro craft :)
Me on island sanctuary: completed intro quests? yes, ok, cool *leaves it alone*
Wish that there was an easy way to come and go from and to the island. Yes, I know I can teleport to the port talk to the npc and get into my island.... too many steps and bothersome, just let me teleport in, haha.
The island has this problem of having people to have "goals" into the island (aka levels, unlocks and quests). IMO, if you have the option to do (or not) things in the island, the quest of "making your perfect island" should not not need you do to SOMETHING.
The mamet should have this interaction where it asks what it can do for you:
Want to make a house? Give a list of mats you need.
Want a garden? Here, some seeds, you can plant them.
And so on... The levels and unlocks with levels feels... Like something I wish I just could toggle off. I like the wild looking island. Maybe if you could just explore it and discover things within (like minecraft, just no monster pls) Find a cave? Cool, let's see what's in there, maybe toss a random glam or plans for you to build something for your island. Not just mindlesly farming things to force the level up of your island to unlock other things.
My only complaint is how quickly the value of a handicraft declines. You can make something only 3 times a day (once per workshop) and it'll go from nonexistent stock to "surplus" before the season is over, and with MOST items beginning at sufficient stock, you're no looking at a lot of good options to switch to instead. Also rarer materials costing cowries but no assurance you'll get anything, and those materials not able to be brought in sufficient numbers for a season on handicraft making
100% agree, it's not required for anything, so complaining about timegating is kind of inappropriate, because clearly part of the experience is to make it feel like a longer process, a journey, not an instant boom.
I do enjoy optimising the economy to a certain extend. And that's fun to me because I know, I will get the cool rewards sooner. But I also try to pace myself in order not to run out of things to do because I really like being on the island and seeing it progress.
I feel like people are still comparing this to housing or Animal Crossing when Yoshi-P and his team said multiple times not to compare to those contents. I think a more accurate comparison is the restoration content like Domon Enclave and Firmament with exploratory dungeon element like Diadem, but with more customization. If you compare it to that, I feel it is a huge improvement compare to those content as those ones are a lot more time gated and for the Firmament people would spent a lot more time grinding just to reach the top percentage of the server or try to get the achievement minion and mount.
Do you know how slow I am going through Island Sanctuary? I have yet to unlock the island, that slow.
I want to say, the only thing I dislike about Island sanctuary is EVERYTHING takes seafaiers. Everything.. What's the point of Islanders...? I can't use it to buy seeds, to send out expeditions... to do anything ON the island... just seafariers all the way down. What I want is, for the buying of seeds and paying of Mammets to take Islanders, while buildings and whatnot take Seafairers it seems to make sense, that way at least to me.
I've been spending more time than I will admit on my Island Sanctuary, and the only thing that I can really get is people buying a piece of armour with their cowries and being unable to do much until the weekly reset because of how much of the currency they've now used and are unable to get refunded. Had I not known about that mistake people were making I would be pretty far behind where I'm currently at.
Outside of that issue, that's only really present in the first week when you're new to it, you can spend a significant amount of time on the island without worrying much about the "timegating" unless you're doing optimal 4-5 hour gathering/crafting grinding. Right now I'm just waiting for my workshops to finish crafting a few items for exporting, and I'll be done expanding. This is the first time I've really had to wait a significant period of time (12 hours).
Not that I had any intention of grinding Island Sanctuary, but I didn't have time to last week.
I was too busy needing to get to the top of the Moonfire Faire tower.
I feel that people need to realise that the point of games should be to have fun. If someone isn't optimal people shouldn't worry unless you are in the highest difficulty or something
I have enjoyed playing efficiently. But I'm not looking it up or anything. I'm looking through my lists and going "Okay so in 24 hours how can I fit these... Three Four hours and two six hours? Four six hours? Three eight? Two Four and two Eight? Oh but I should start with a 4 hour because that's less time wasted not getting an efficiency bonus..." and then playing around with what my options are with what animals I have, what I can get, how I can try to squeeze the biggest things in... The efficiency puzzle is one I am content to never perfect, but continuously improve upon, and that's what's fun to me about it. I'm not rushing it to level 10 and being done with it or anything.
I'm not making Spreadsheets, optimizing farming routes (I just kinda find the spot that has the cluster of what I'm after and run around there for a while, there's always one for everything it seems) and just... Enjoying myself. So I'm not super casual about it, but I'm not super hardcore either. These kinds of numbers games are fun to me, so of course I'm going to try to figure it all out. But also, having a variety for flavour's sake is nice too. I'll not put all 3 workshops on the same orders. They're all different, every time.
It's fun. I can optimize all I want, but I know that if I am not playing perfect, it doesn't matter at all. I'll get it all eventually. It's all good!
For the people that are unhappy with the fact that the puzzle has been solved, it doesn't mean you need to look up the solution yourself. If you can't resist the temptation to have someone figure it all out for you, that's a you problem. If you can't handle that someone is making more than you because they opted to have someone solve it for them (or were the ones that solved it the most efficiently themselves), that's a you problem. There's no leaderboards, no rush, nothing. You reap the benefits and the dissatisfactions of comparing yourself upwards. It's a mindset you need to conquer on your own, or submit to. It's not anyone else's responsibility to tailor their lives around your mindset.
I was looking at the complexity of bothering to min/max the workshops. I probably would have done that if I were younger, but fuck that now. There is the urge to overly optimize but... no, just fucking no lol. I waste so many hours doing that in general, be it in this game, in FFXI (especially FFXI), and other things. I hate it so much when I think back on how wasted my days are when doing that. The fact that the way this content works is in relation to you, rather than others, it's perfect to work on taking that step back.
The rares are one thing, but it's just a one off for most people. I'm sad that I was there when the Alligator showed up, but don't have access to large creatures yet, but I'll have more opportunities later. Only Rank/level 7 right now for the island and given how much exp is needed to reach 8, it'll probably be a while.
I do however love how uninvolved a lot of the content is. Even the creatures are quick to get to happier moods, which makes getting rid of them so much less stressful to make the decision to release them if you ever feel a need to mass produce certain mats.
I just log in to get the new tombstones and then do a little party finder Dancing Plague and log out. I usually end up being too tired to even try starting the new MSQ and island stuff. People really need to calm down and take things easy
My favorite thing in the whole world are people who no-life content so they can spend months complaining that they have nothing to do. They are fascinating.
Time gating doesnt really prove there's "content". If anything it reveals there's nothing to keep players around if there wasnt a forced delay. I dont really understand this argument
It's only been a week! But no judgment on how someone wants to play this absolute side content. It's cool that people are able to min-max the island but most of us like to just figure it all out ourselves at our own pace. That's the beauty of something like Island Sanctuary. And the fact that you can kinda relegate just how fast you want to progress/grind is absolutely awesome! Granted, given its subtleties can be overlooked, but your pace is the best pace.
"There's no wrong way to play and have fun."
Unless you meld Spell Speed onto Dancer XD Like... what are you doing!
I haven't stepped foot in island sanctuary yet. I got trapped in gather/crafting purgatory making raid gear for my static single-handedly, and after all of that I needed my break to not even be in the FFXIV client. I'll pop in at some point though, it seems like a nice time-waster, zen-garden style thing.
I feel like I suffer from both sides of this. I went through it on my main with no help, picking up on how things work as I go. Now I'm working on optimizing my pasture and farmland and workshop, but I would have hated to just look up what other people have figured out. Doing it myself was all of the fun for me. However, I did absolutely have a few moments where I got impatient. Not because I felt like I wanted to advance super quickly, but because I felt like there was nothing I could do, and I like doing.
I feel like I, as an Uber casual, am "falling behind" on everything, including Isle Sanctuary. I'm "only" rank 5 in Island Sanctuary, didn't get the raids done last week for the weekly loot, and didn't do custom deliveries to easily get scrips for the new master recipes. I "know" that I'll catch up and that doesn't REALLY matter, but it has me anxious :/
If it helps, I'm rank 5. Haven't touched the raid loot for a while and haven't even unlocked custom deliveries yet.
Just enjoy it in your own way, I know it's hard not to compare yourself with others in progress as I do that sometimes. However, you also don't want to take all the enjoyment away and treat it like a job.
My only complaint is it feels like it's kinda punishing to not be a spreadsheet scholar. Like, I can't really do what I want and even be remotely efficient. Lol the game won't even let me actually. I want a pasture of notsheep/notcows and to sell my potatoes but if I want to sell then it'll take forever since it has such a poor return lol. It's also not what I was hoping for. I was really hoping I'd be able to use it as an alternative to housing. Grow crops so I can level culinarian or fisher in peace on my own island. Can't do that unfortunately. It'd be perfect if it worked fine on its own but also let players who have crafting jobs get even more out of it. It'd also be fantastic IMO if other characters we've encountered over the story would visit.
Optimizing is what keeps me engaged in video games. I love doing it in every game. Or as a famous FFXIV streamer said: "If there's a bar I have to fill it up."
Yeah, but don't let your optimization ruin the system for players who don't want that optimization. Min/maxing sometimes take the fun out of it.
@@Cooil1 hot take, but thats how they want tk have fun. People should just stop concerning themselves with how others play their single player focused experiences. Itd be like me not wanting to play Dragon Age Origins because Arcane Warrior is OP. Instead, i got dual wield warrior and go fast swints because blades go brrr.
I want to be able to fish in my island.
people just need get use to long grinds that not meant to be rushed. as someone played gw2 for bloody years get use to it with skyscale or legendary collections it can take bloody years.
Just have fun with it and enjoy the ride weather complete it with in a week or a year its not going anywhere.
This is the content for which I decided not to care about effectiveness. Everywhere else, savage and pvp, I try to be as efficient as possible. But my God, this is a farm. A regular farm. There's no reason to approach it like a speedrunner and then be surprised that the game tries to stop me. I plant a field, feed the animals, if I have a chance to progress further I go for it, if not I just wait. I don't try to optimize the workshop, if I'm waiting for static people I cut down a few trees and that's it. I'm level 7. Without making Snactuary an efficient and optimized factory.
i just wanna catch twinklefleece why is it sooo hardddd D: one spawn cost me 18 nets and he was like, 'welp, that was fun' and poofed! whyyyy
also, it's super weird how some people say "you're not having fun doing it that way" like they know better than the person if they're having fun or not.. bro, wuh?
That's the thing, one thing is "Oh I got level 10 first day! Yay!" that's fine. But saying "HEY! DON'T LIMIT WHAT I CAN DO I JUST GRINDED 19,000 NODES TO GET TO 10 AND I DONT HAVE ENOUGH CURRENCY!" bruh.
Grind all you want, but don't come to TH-cam complaining about time gating when everyone knows this is supposed to be taken slowly, and see, I said supposed. It's funny some creators take offense of being called out, they clearly SUFFERED from 1-10 you can see and hear the frustration on the videos, and then claim they had fun once they have unlocked everything after all that stress and frustration. Lol.
And I get it, as a creator, you want to be the first to show everything because that brings the views. I get it.
I'm loving my Island - about to check on it now. I checked out your guide on it and had to laugh because I made some of the mistakes mentioned. (I bought the chocobo barding. I had an idea at the time I probably shouldn't but ---)
I always have the "messy" character when I play a game. That is the one I dive into the game with head first, knowing absolutely nothing about anything. So, I learn as I go. I might get tips from friends or get stuck and ask for advice, but I am far from optimal. My main in the game is my "Messy" character.
Secondary characters tend to be more focused. I am not going to spend another thousand + hours with them, so they serve some role or purpose my main lacks. Maybe I want them to fly through the MSQ. I did something like that with Stardew Valley. My "main" did everything, my other characters are all that - characters. Chrono from Chrono Trigger, Mettaton from Undertale, Link from the Legend of Zelda. Knowing the game as I do now, I have very specific ways I play them all. Mettaton is after attention and supports the Jojamart and seeking to automate my farm as much as possible, while Link accepts any and all help wanted requests and I spend more time in the dungeons with him, etc.
Ok, back to the point: I'm a middle grounder. I go in, play on my island, and learn as I go. I don't have any spread sheets before me. I may ask about it if there's some rare I must have, but otherwise I'm perfectly content to chill on the island while waiting for a queue to pop, but there are soooo many things I could do in game. There is more Triple Triad I've yet to earn. Dungeon gear to loot. The Island will be waiting for me when I get back. (Seriously, Tataru,why Capitalism is my weakness!)
This is an area where you shouldn’t rush and just take your time with if it takes awhile to get cowries than that’s also fine it’s not going anywhere heck if yoshi-p wants to expand it more than I’m all for it but overall nothing is wrong with the sanctuary the problem is that everyone is just in a full on rush
I'm VERY chill with this content.
It's crazy how there are players who go crazy on the first 2 days and ruin the actually reason of Island Sanctuary for themselves.
But...it's their faults and will think about, "This game is dead, nothing else to do Island Sanctuary, waawaawaa!!"
To me, Island Sanctuary is like a good stew; You can always prepare the ingredients, chop them up, and throw them into the pot as fast as you can manage, but it's not like you can turn the fire to max to make it finish faster, you're just gonna be disappointed by the results.
U r so right this is not a race like it doesn't matter to me if someone want to reach rank 10 so fast but nobody will care if u do that!! I am now rank 8 and having fun though my issue still remain about the blue cowrie which I told u before even though now I am starting to generate a lot of blue cowrie so it not an issue for me but it still kinda is and I hope they address this
I also dont get why people berate these youtubers who posts guides on the game, if you dont want guides then why bother clicking the video only for you to get stressed and take your time typing things. Lol. Leave this kind of videos to those who need it, not all has free time like you and would definitely need a guide just to make things easier for them.
My only complaint about this mode is the amount of items you get each node. Should at least give us 2-3 items since the nodes are far from each other. It's really frustrating for me when I need 15 pieces of an item and I have to look around to get it even though they're clustered in one area it's still easy for me to get lost when I just look away for a moment. I'm just a casual player of island sanctuary so I dont memorize the places of items and its nodes.
They say we don't need DoH and DoL skills to enjoy the island. But top crafters are asking millions for a "pool" to put on our sanctuary.
My only complaint is that there isn't an upgrade to make a proper dock. What kinda piss poor island owner would I be, selling my products if all I have is a tiny boat to get to and from my island. Sqeenix, let us make a functioning dock, please.
It just goes from Island Sanctuary to Tropico 14: Presidente of Light
Not even talking about the sanctuary, when it comes to melds the formulas are so convoluted that you either studied math at a college or you are better off asking someone who knows what to meld.
now that I finished everything on the island, I really like the gameplay loop of collecting my crops, feeding the animals and stuff and setting up the workshop schedule. It's not like you get rank 10 and completely abandon the content.
Since you need a ton of blues for all the cosmetics yeah
It's not the optimizers that bug me, it's the people who rushed to rank 8 on day one (HOW????) and then complained that there was nothing to do and how this was ruining their gaming experience and wasting their sub time. Like, I'm sorry--what did you do before Island Sanctuary came out? Go do that!
At first I wanted to reach rank10 on the first week so I could start saving for those mounts but after seeing that I could get around 8k cowries in a week without even optimizing the workshop, I stopped rushing and just set my agendas for this week, gathered the materials and will probably visit it to feed the animals, gather leavings and crops.
I’ve done exactly this. Just set my workshops for the rest of the week, and have paid the mammets to look after the crops and animals, and I’ll come back every so often
I don't understand the rushing since it doesn't affect raiding at all. I guess some people just have that mentality of "I must complete it asap."
seems to me that the people complaining about time gating in island sanctuary don't seem to be familiar with games like Stardew Valley or even the earlier Animal Crossing games like Wild World, and therefore are also not quite familiar with how those kinds of playstyles are supposed to work
its like in alliance raids when everyone is sprinting between pulls, personally id rp walk the whole dungeon if it wasn't considered griefing. But i save my sprint for combat.
Always the same problem. People who are happy if they can play game 3h per day, and people who spend 12 hours every day and complain there's not enough content. I think there's a lot of content, both in the game, and also.... in the real life :P
I am pretty sure those people have also BIG problem with 2 days of mammets resting, geez... xd
In general I don't accept time-gating in core mechanics when it comes to games I pay for. But while FFXIV does have some time-gates in it, I'm okay with them because there's SO MUCH else to do! I've been playing for years and there's still things I haven't done yet and it's not because the game time-gated me, real life did. XD
And there is validness in putting in brakes in content to help people avoid consuming it to unhealthy degrees. I'm fine with being slowed down so that others, who can't on their own, will have a healthier relationship with the game.
My current issue is with the raiding scene.. The patch dropped and I can't play on launch day because of my work schedule, but come the weekend I went through the story to unlocked the trial and make sure I unlocked the raids as well.. then I went to party finder to find a group to try the new trial on extreme... But what did I find? Every single description as follows:
Using strat "HANDJUDDBCHDBDJDHDB" FARM PLAYERS ONLY!
I have no clue what any of those acronyms were, and this is for a trial that had been out less than 3 days at that point... Not a single first-timer, prog, new player friendly run. AFTER 3 DAYS!!! I really wanted to make my own gear this time so that my name was on it and I do have an omnicrafter, but good grief I couldn't even gear my character fast enough to have all the strats of the end game stuff mastered!! And now this week was Savage dropping I'm sure when I go to look at the party finder this week it's going to be much the same thing, elite players only... The day the patch dropped for Savage I had people posting their parses in our FC's discord... So I guess if you're not there day one you're just SOL..
Island Sanctuary is like Animal Crossing for me. I'm enjoying it so much. Every time I'm done with my things on the island, I just get out and continuing doing my MSQ.
Time gating is a fundamental to the longevity of any MMo... People are coming into this genre these days with a gimme gimme attitude, literally any mmo bar anything released in the recent 5 years is built on content that you cannot complete in a day and turn it off.
What would the waitings be on queuing any sort of dungeon/raid if everybody could grind out there tome gear and raid drops in a day???? There is already a hurdle to cross with longer queue times when playing catch up on not-so-much older content. I know this is of little relevance to the islands themselves but its the same topic and attitude problem have with tomes.
i have one at rank 4, one at rank 8 and i'm happy where they are :D i just wish for the island prism to glamour back to rank 2 buildings i like the look far more...