PELTOR ComTac XPI vs SORDIN Supreme MIL CC Slim - An Objective Comparison
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ม.ค. 2021
- An objective comparison between a 3M PELTOR & SORDIN military headset.
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"Should you go for a 3M PELTOR ComTac XPI (= ComTac V in USA) or a SORDIN Supreme MIL CC Slim headset?" A question asked by many and with this video it finally gets an answer. Because here we'll bring you a purely objective comparison between both headsets their pro's and con's. We'll discuss their build, features and bring you a sound comparison so that you can deicide for yourself which system to go for.
Very informative video, as always.
I am still split between the two, as I like the long battery life and bigger cup-size of the sordins, but I like that you can remove the mic from the comtacs.
Would you say that the mic on the sordins gets in the way if you have no intention of using it?
Not really, unless you're someone that switches shoulders a lot. Then it's possible the buttock of a rifle might interfere with the mic. But this also depends on how well you're used to shooting with your non-dominant side. | Viper
I wonder if the fit of these Sordins are the same as the MSA Sordin Supreme Pro X. I have both the Supreme Pro X and and Peltor Comtac V. The Sordins feel smaller on my ears which are narrow and long. The Sordins do put pressure on my ear, while the Peltors do not and are more comfortable for me.
Interesting questions, I haven't heard of any design changes since the break up between MSA and Sordin. Could you send a picture of the ear cup to info@reconbrothers.com I'd be interested to see if there is actually a difference. I Instinct
@@ReconBrothers
Sent you an email.
Peltor Comtac V - inside dimension of eaecups are 1 1/2 inches wide, 2 1/2 inches tall.
MSA Sordin Supreme Pro X with gel cups: 2 3/4 inches tall and 1 3/4 inches wide.
The size of the void in the Sordins decreases when worn because the gel cups spread out a lot. They feel smaller on my ears because of that. I haven't tried the Peltors with gel cups yet.
@@ReconBrothers The sound quality also sucks on my MSA Sordins vs the Peltors which sound great.
One of the best shop in EU. Now I found that you can do detailed and objective reviews!
Thanks, appreciate it man! 🙏
First of all, great format and really well presented.
Is it just me, or did I hear more of the first fired shot in the Sordin's vs the 3M?
this is an example how to make a review and comparison! thank you!
Thanks, we appreciate the comment a lot!
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Awesome video. Great job 💯
Thanks! 🤙 | Viper
Video is very informative. Very detailed and accurate.
Thanks for your feedback on the video.
In regards to our webshop, we work with some of the biggest European distributors and the brands themselves, our prices are the official ones and in many cases even the cheapest. I'd like to see those websites you're talking about, because if it would be half the prices I'm sure they're either knock-offs, 2nd hand or stolen goods. I would even be surprised if you can even get some of these products at all here in Europe. | Viper
Excellent! Very well done!!
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I'm definitely a new subscriber and customer. You guys are info ninjas and I love it.
Info ninjas, I like the sound of that! ;) Thanks man! I Instinct
Great info!
Glad you think so!
Great job 👍✨
Thanks, we appreciate the comment!
I combine my Sordins with a "light-use" earplug to block an additional ~22db from the gun blasts.
I then compensate the reduced hearing aid from the speakers+microphone by just increasing the volume to the second highest.
Then you get good amount of sound coming from the environmental speakers but also increase the hearing protection. Also, you should double up anyways if you shoot in closed environments or when you risk getting bad headset placement because you run/move around a lot.
Yup, that's what I do too.
Great video 👍
Thanks! 😁 | Viper
Great video. Very helpful. Can they be connected to regular mobile phones, by adapter or Bluetooth?
Very nice video, thanks!
And which camoflage did you use in this video?
Thanks, the camo is called CROPAT Woodland. | Viper
Great video
For those of us that would like to pick up one or the other but using civilian Beofeng radios
It would be great if you had a PTT video like this to address things like amped PTT connections
Might indeed be interesting.
For those who don't know:
Basically amped PTTs were introduced for radios that don't detect you are using a boom mic. Since this is very model and brand specific most manufacturers make their PTTs amped so you don't have any issues when using boom mics.
However Sordin for example does not make amped PTTs so if you would go for this brand when it comes to the PTT you do need a radio that detects the boom mics.
So basically the safest thing is to go for a radio that detects the boom mic, like it should. If you go for a radio that does not detect it, you might have a lot of work finding out what specific PTT system you need. (And there are quite a lot of civil use radios that do detect a boom mic.) I Instinct
Baofeng - Kill it with fire. Then buy Motorola. ( icom or yaesu . but go for Motorola ) . And trash that Baofeng/Puxing/XinJirPink /Kilm-Il-Sung
@@ReconBrothers hey Instinct, I just bought a Kenwood Tk3701DE I think It‘s made for authorities and military (same fam as your Kenwoods I think) so would it detect the boom mic?
You both went Sordin…little bit unsure to go Mil CC Slim because you cannot find any experiences as for Peltor XPI,on the internet :||
have a nice day!
@@Utfard Lol. It's not 2007.
Baofeng's are being used by Lucas Botkin (T-Rex Arms) and people running the Tactical Urban Sustainment Course (TUSC-DARC). They're just unbranded Kenwood radios.
Motorola went bankrupt in 2010, their name is now used by and owned by Chinese tech company Lenovo.
@@fallout1116 Fake info mate. In 2010, Motorola sold its cellular-infrastructure business to Nokia Siemens Networks. In January 2011, Motorola split into two separate companies, each still using the word as part of its name. One company, Motorola Solutions, focuses on LEO technologies, radios, and commercial needs. Regarding Baofengs being unbranded Kenwoods I can't argue with you over internet. Just put them side by side on a spectrum analyser to see the Tx and harmonics, have a look on the Rx sensitivity and selectivity and few more things. The fact that they are used by some local militias and tacticool groups in NOT an argument. Cheers !
Which one give you better directional awareness? Lets say you are in a big compound such as a factory and you hear the footsteps. Which one gives you better capability to understand which direction the sound coming from. Which one has overall better ambiant sound quality. I had msa sordins before and it was good but never use peltors.
This is very difficult to say. At first thought from what I remember of both, I would say they're very similar but I could be wrong since it's already some time ago we actually used them. Anyway, whichever you choose, you can't go wrong. | Viper
Havent tried Peltor but when wearing my Sordins I have almost as good as not wearing anything at all!
hey Guys I just bought a Kenwood Tk3701DE I think It‘s made for authorities and military (same fam as your Kenwoods I think) so would it detect the boom mic?
You both went Sordin…little bit unsure to go Mil CC Slim because you cannot find any experiences as for Peltor XPI,on the internet :||
have a nice day!
Has the XPI changed compared to the XP in regards of warning before shutdown?
In the video you say it shuts down immediately after 2 hours of inactivity. My XP's however give two warning signals to indicate that the unit will switch off in one minute if no function is activated.
From our experience the XPI gives a signal but neither the PTT or the Volume buttons prevent it from turning off. And shortly after it shuts down (couple of seconds). | Instinct
I was wearing my Sordins for work 4-5 days a week in the middle of summer. The outside is water tight, but the foam inside can get saturated and allow sweat to accumulate on the electronics. They died on me in the middle of the day and I had to let them dry out. They seem to be fine since, but there is corrosion on the PCB and im afraid they will not survive further water damage.
Hi, normally the Sordin headsets their electronics are completed coated so water can't get to it (At least that is on the once we have seen). You should even be able to swim with them under water for half an hour as long as you don't go deeper than one meter. So if you can check if the inside is indeed coated, there may be another problem you are facing. If that is the case I would suggest to contact them since they have a great repair service.
@@ReconBrothers Thanks for the response, but I have since contacted Sordin to be told that corrosion or failure due to user sweat is not under warranty. There is a waterproof coating on the PCB, but they stayed wet for so long that it actually failed and started to peel. I use hearing protection every day for many hours without a break. Sometimes I even have to wear it during lunchtime.
I did plenty of research and just ordered a Peltor Comtac V as a replacement. From the images I could find, there is an inlay between the electronics and the speaker to prevent sweat from accumulating on the electronics.
Do you find the comms and mic cables ever snag or just a nuisance when you not running comms? Ops Core AMPs look attractive because you can slim them done when not using comms. Also, can you double up on ear pro while still being able to hear radio chatter and your environment?
Not really no, the mic and cable can be easily put out of the way and then have a pretty low profile. They never snagged in any way. Only thing that might interfere, but that's always with a mic, is when shouldering a rifle on the side with the microphone (normally non-dominant), aiming can be difficult. But it's better to get used to it if you need to use a mic all the time.
With doubling up on ear pro I guess you mean using ear plugs underneath? In that case, it depends on which system you use, the PELTOR has a mode that allows you to still hear everything. The SORDIN doesn't have such a thing. I Viper
@@ReconBrothers Could you elaborate on what the Peltor mode is that allows you to hear everything? Thanks.
@@SkintSNIPER262 It's called the "ear-plug mode", but notice this is ONLY for with additional ear plugs. Without, any of these headsets does the same job. Meaning providing protection against hazardous sounds while keeeping situational awareness and being able to communicate over radio all at once. | Viper
Will these headsets allow you to determine the direction of sounds?
Yes absolutely. | Viper
I have the Sordins, and you definitely lose a bit of the direction of sound. Can't say for these specific Peltors, but I've tried other Peltors and a similar situation occurs. Tradeoff besides sound protection is you can crank up the volume to often hear quiet sounds better than without them on at all.
Thank you! Will you tell about ComTac VII and VIII?
Yes, soon.
@@ReconBrothers what about Sordin T2?
@@ruslanpry Production for the T2 is estimated to start around August 2024. So eventually maybe, but certainly not this year.
If you had to choose one ear pro from all the ones available on the market right now, which one would you choose? Also, when will your site be back up? I'm in the states and want to buy some stuff. 😅
Problem is that these type of products are in continuous development with new versions releasing quite often. It also highly depends on budget and what you require. But as of now, the most advanced on the market is the Peltor ComTac VII and a great choice in our opinion.
As for our site, we hope to back online in the next week(s). We ran into some issues with a new shipping partner and our payment system.
When is your new shop back on line?
As soon as possible (hopefully the coming month). We're ran into some issues with UPS and our payment systems.
If you double up with earplugs and the Sordins, which doesn`t have Earplug Mode, can you still hear people talking, or is Earplug Mode 100% needed for that?
Haven't tried that one out yet. I guess it will be doable, but your situational awareness will probably drop quite a bit. I Viper
I combine my Sordins with a "light-use" earplug to block an additional ~22db from the gun blasts.
I then compensate the reduced hearing aid from the speakers+microphone by just increasing the volume to the second highest. With good earplugs, it still sounds almost as good as not wearing any plugs at all.
Are these possible to utilise as regular headsets? More specifically, are they solely possible to utilise for communication via radio, or would this connect to my smartphone/computer?
Their jacks and wiring are very different from regular headsets, so no it's not possible. They're only for comm purposes. | Viper
@@ReconBrothers Consequently, do you know of any general-purpose headsets that are possible to mount to helmets? I am thankful for your response.
@@RokeJulianLockhart.s13ouq No, not that I know of.
You can buy a NATO plug adapter to 3,5mm TRRS jack no problem!
@@RomanDufek What would that allow? I apologize; I'm quite new to this technology. Only 6 weeks into Basic Training.
As a lefty XPI owner I don't see the point for left handed version. What is the thought process behind that?
A left handed version its microphone is build on the right side instead of the left side. This is for if you mainly shoot rifles and use them with your left shoulder. Because usually the microphone tends to interfere with the buttstock of a rifle if you're shooting it this way. By positioning it on the other side you avoid this. I Viper
Yeah I'm weird since I shoot from right shoulder but use my left for pistols still :)
I’m more curious to know which one fits better under the ACH
both
Is the axl peltor rac link any good ??
It's a nice invention to use the RAC system with your PELTOR or SORDIN, but again this is made by some third party and the guarantee for a correct seal and thus proper protection level is non-existing. 🤷♂️ I Viper
Hi, I am running my Mil cc with amped PTT and it is not working for some reason. Ive seen people say theirs work with high impedance/non-amped ptts. Could you clarify which is the case? Thanks a lot!
Mil CC is meant to be used with non amplified PTT
@@fstompo would that been low impedence or high impedence? thanks!
do you ship to USA? I can't find these Sordins for sale here in the states...
Yes we do. 🤙 | Viper
@@ReconBrothers is there a button on ur site to switch over to usd?
@@sd3gunner No it's not possible on our site. You will get to see the USD amount once you are going to make the payment with your banking or credit card system. You can also search Google for today's exchange rate to get an idea. | Viper
I bought the sordin supreme x pro but its the Version without a mic on it, how can i make this work with a baofeng radio and push to talk, the guy in the store told me they have interegated microphones but after some research I found out that this may not be true.. is there a way to make this headset able to be used for comms?
Hi, the Supreme pro X never comes with a boom mic, neither does Sordin offer upgrade packs for it. The integrated microphones are used to generate the surrounding awareness. We've heard of a company that would apparently make upgrade kits for these in the USA, but Sordin said that the headset doesn't feature the technology to make that possible. I Instinct
I have sordin supreme pro x for shooting and peltor comtac xpi for milsims and other stuff. Sordin Supreme Pro X have integrated jack for 3.5mm AUX cable, so you can get an AUX and connect it to a speaker mic which then goes into the radio, it works perfectly fine and used it in many occasions, also the AUX allows you to connect the headset to other devices - pc, phone and etc. Basically the aux setup mimmics the comms: you listen throught the sordins and speak through the speaker mic.
Which one of them has the better directional audio? @@Un0Real333
should be Peltor vs Sordin vs opscore AMP ....
like are amp´s woth the exorbitant price?
I think the AMP wasn't even released when we made this video. Anyway, we sold the AMPs for a while but had a large amount of warranty cases with AMPs not working anymore several months later. And thus we decided them not being reliable enough and stopped the collab. Issues with Peltor and Sordin remain very minor on the other hand, so we still opt for those. If you truly want something next-gen, you best take a look at the Peltor ComTac VII and SCU unit for it.
@@ReconBrothers o, nice - Thanks for the Quick Answer - was not aware that those AMP are so "Young" - don t need the latest comtac what i d like to have is the hearing superpower while able to communicate without shouting thru the woods... -
as i am not in a hurry...gonna check your shop when it will be back online in a few months.
best regards!
@@easygroove No need to wait for that long anymore, we're working to be back online by the end of this month.
In which country are Pelton and Sordin manifactured? Thanks you
Sweden. About 6 km away from each other. 😆 | Viper
@@ReconBrothers i love you thanks
What radios do you use
We currently use the Kenwood TK3401D, but I think they are replaced by the Kenwood TK3701D now.
Can you show us how to wear it under a helmet using de headband confit
Step 1: have a small head.
I can't help you past this point I'm afraid
You need to remove the middle paddings of your helmet (i.e Ops Core Carbon SF Helmet, Crye Precision Airframe, Team Wendy EXFIL, Safariland Delta X) just so you’ll be able to wear your hearing protection underneath your helmet, if you don’t like to configure it via the side arc rails.
Although it seems like a good idea to keep the headband, I would recommend sending it to a good reputable company to have it modified for configuration onto an arc rail.
It's obviously too late to show, but we've tested this on several helmet systems in the past. It is possible when removing the center top padding of your helmet, but it's usually not very practical with the retention system. In many cases you aren't really able to close the retention, because everything takes up more space and also the microphone is a big hurdle. If you want to use a helmet with a headset, we'd highly recommend to actually mount it. I Viper
But which one is better for tarkov ?
Don't know I don't have a gaming PC. I'm just a mere Xbox pheasant. ;P I Instinct
Buying peltor comtax xpi for airsoft … holy shit
We're already using it for firearm shooting, so no not just for airsoft. I Viper
has covid slowed down airsoft where yall are at?
I live in Hong Kong and all airsoft fields have been shut down because of corona
Same in Belgium and I think the same goes for the Netherlands. I Instinct
@@arthurau6438 Pretty sure airsoft is kinda slow now here in the US too. Not all that sure though.
Sordin sounds much louder.
we all know most of us are here because of tarkov
это самое лучшее видео про эти системы!
Thanks, glad you liked it!
@@ReconBrothers 💥👍👍👍