Let's add more to the dalokohs that was in my script but my dumbass forgot to talk about it. It's overheal lasts for twice as long as a medics overheal which is absolutely mega gamer.
Could I recommend introducing the weapon on the screen with the stats for some seconds so it becomes easier to keep track of? Also maybe showing the full tier list at the end on the outro? Just my opinion tho. I mained heavy when I played this game 10 years ago and I didnt even know shitty bear paws, shitty brass nuckles and the huo hue heater was changed since then. Anyways, cool video, thank you for sharing your insights on the class. You forgot Iron Curtain btw, which is clearly S+
Marvelous, you are back. Nice, and you bring your point of view for Heavy weapons. If you had to offclass(Heavy is your main, plus what do you pick to not burnout), what would your other two favorite classes be? IF it was possible to expand on core class features, would a Counterstrike inspired Movement passive called the Rushing Slav(MAIN DAMAGE MEALER AKA MINIGUN is 77% movement speed, Rushing Slav on secondaries and melees is 88%, stacks with other movement increaser Heavy and outside forces. Meaning, with Miniguns holstered, Rushing Slav is the default movement speed for other slots, which can offer even Full Stock Heavy with options, then the self speed boosting stuff like Steak, Evi Noti and GRU and then other buffs like Diciplinary action stack.) and I think it would help Heavy a lot. would Rushing Slav be any help for the Heavy? in regards to this video. C tier has the Warrior's Spirit and Steak, right?(Steka was in lower B tier actually) To lead into this first, I think Valve wanted to make the melee part of the Hibernating Bear set the Heavy's Glory kills, but half assed it and made it lame. I think some improvement would help. for the Buffalo Steak: First off, give it 300HP that heals over time like the Sandvich and 150HP that is temporary health for 20 seconds. this can work well for a MELEE ONLY MODE Heavy and the Steak still has the 20% damage vulnerability, ask yourselves is it better to have 300HP and 20% damage vul or 450HP and 20% damage vul? I would also add in that the Buffalo Steak grants Heavy 15HP on hit and 35HP on kill for those 16 seconds the Buffalo Steaks is active. This actually makes the Buffalo Steak upgrade from FREAKING RAW to RARE and MUCH better, both in set and it can actually work as a Subclass for Heavy now! Warrior's Spirit: First off, make the 30% damage vulnerability be 15% dmg vul(Steak 20% dmg vul plus Bear Claws 30% for 50% dmg vul total is worse then 20% plsu 15% for 35% aka Mark for Death/Minicrits that without no damage falloff, regardless if 300HP or 450HP), 15% more damage instead of 30% more damage for no random crits for minicrits are crits and 15% faster swing speed as well as 15HP on hit and 50HP on kill. This makes the Bear Claws much more usable, both on their own and with the Steak and more importantly the Shotguns(Warrior's Spirit is a better Health gain item now, minicrit buffs make it better) which would be great to combo with things, especially with Rushing Slav. Stock fists, for them IF you want all stock melees to have some FUNctions(some people do not want any of the stock items changed in any way at all.), I would add Stock fists to have a "on kill, 15% faster movement speed for 3 seconds" as a upside. Would this be fine? does it need to be 6 seconds instead? For example, my idea for Medic improvements, when we look at his Most Effective Tactic Available, which is Crusaders Crossbow/Ubersaw with Situational Medigun, look at what the Crossbow and Ubersaw do(Burst healing and Uber gain), my answer is to give Medic Primaries and Melees Burst healing with 5% uber on heal(Primaries get Medium Med packs to throw(practically Sandvich alt fire function with 5% uber on heal as medic Primary weapons alt fire with stats for it) and Melees get Disciplinary action mechanics Injector Syringe/Stimpack for alt fire that does 20% healing on frendlies, Press R to Self heal with melee active, 5% uber on heal, and 15 second cooldown during which you have a 25 damage quick swing speed no random crits attack for alt fire, stock bonesaw syringe also does 5% uber on hit during the cooldown) as my way to Balance the Crossbow ubersaw Medic META without making that item combo crap. Holiday Punch, good gimmick item, maybe it gets better with my Rushing Slav passive idea? Huo Long Heater, I think a Firing mode switch from Ring of Fire to Indeindiary Ammo/ignite on hit for 4 extra ammo per hit would make it interesting, Press R for mode switch or how to do it? Panic Attack, Wide spread, meaning getting close to people, but Heavy slowest class in game, would Rushing Slav help with this? Kiling Gloves of Boxing, good item, Guarantied crits by melee kills would be OP, but is balanced by the fact it is on the Slowest class in game. How does Rushing Slav change things? Good for Heavy? Of course. I don't think it makes him ZOMG2OP,PLZNERF1!!1!1! level of Overpowered with Rushing Slav. Eviction Notice, I actually took the speed when active as inspiration for Rushing Slav movement speed, and yes Rushing Slav does stack with that, and on hit Speed boost as well. I also think that revering it back to 20% damage vulnerability when active would be better. Question, what if the Spiked Knuckledusters had a "when speed boosted, plus 80% more damage" which is minus 60% damage plus 80% damage for plus 20% damage when speedboosted as a upside to using it? Natasha(And Brass Beast) I would revert the Damage resistance mechanic so that it is "when revved up, plus 20% more damage resistance" so the Natasha and Brass Beast are better as the Tanky Mode Heavy Miniguns. Does the slow mechanic need to be made better or do rework it so it is a better thing, maybe a flat "on hit, 3 seconds of 20% slows" as the ability (I had idea for Scout Stock bat that applies a Debuff on third hit called Daze, which is 20% slow on foe's movement, reload, rev up, reloading, melee swing speed and a buff to the Sandman ball, would putting Daze on Natasha with the on hit 3 seconds of Daze effect make it better?) as a change. damage dealing, lower the minus 25% damage to a 15% damage to make it better. Oh, you want to change the looks as well? I was wondering, since stock Minigun is Black barrel & grips with white ammo drum, maybe do a inverse for the Natasha? White/Chromed barrel & grips with Black ammo drum? Gloves of Running Urgently, maybe "on kill, deactivates health drain for 3 seconds" as a upside? this makes it so it is rewarding you for making to do a melee kill. Now A tiers, I think those are pretty good. Second Banana, it is more for when you are a roamer Heavy and you need many heals over some big healing. Stock shotgun and Eviction Notice, Pretty good, and good on the move. My Rushing Slav passive would make Shotgun Enforcer Heavy even better. Brass Beast, as I said, reverting the 20% damage resistance from "when at half health" to "when revved up" would make it much better. Dalokosh Bar, good item, good for survivability. How would my changed Buffalo Steak work against this? Well, the Chocolate gives temp health you can use with miniguns, but Steak is MELEE MODE, so there is that. S tier, starting off with Tomislav and Minigun. yes they are awesome and for different things. Sandvich. pretty good and reliable, if the Edibles had a Stock item, the Sandvich is it. Fists of Steel, you get damage resistance, very good. Steak combo would be interesting.
great video, quite enjoyed the additions and suggestions you added for weapons too. informative and enjoyable. Hope you get a slightly better mic soon though lol
A few changes tho: first off there's no way the brass beast is a strong alternative. It's pretty garbage outside of mvm cuz dps is meaningless when literally everyone can outrun you, which renders your extra damage obsolete due to damage fall off. Not to mention how vulnerable you are in front of pick classes like snipers and spies. That 50% slower spin up time is also a big downside as if you're caught unrevved, you're basically toast. It honestly only works when you're guarding a chokepoint waiting for other ppl to come to you but that's a boring and ineffective way to play the class and every minigun can defend chokepoints well and they're not limited to do just that. Secondly, the GRU is literally meta as heavy moving quickly is a pretty major bonus considering his main weakness is his lack of mobility. It's a good way to get into the frontline quickly and to escape a sticky situation. The KGB is also a pretty decent weapon, being a very good risk/reward option. Overall, the brass beast deserves in the low B to high C tier; the KGB deserves to be in A tier and the GRU deserves to be in A tier
Great video, i have never played competive tf2 but i spent a lot of time in tf in general (about 9kh) And i honestly dont understand the brassbeast placement. 25% damage bonus is good but the weapon itself is so slow and situational and it sucks to use in pubs so i was surprised to see it in A tier. Maybe it actually has use in tournaments but i still think it doesn't belong in a tier.
The brass beast is excellent and arguabily best in slot when you dont need to move, this means that in any map that has these strongvantage points like upward first playground, or when you got no time to set up a gun in 6s last holds there is simply no better option.
I always knew Sandvich was best. Top that medic off and get rolling. Not having my gun out is a risk that needs to be worth it. I main medic now and it's true from that side too. If you need it more often than every 30 seconds you are doing something wrong (or getting destroyed which happens too but a banana isn't fixing that).
for curiosity sake what are your thoughts on pre-jungle inferno dalokohs bar? Since the heavy being a heal sponge in organized settings having the option to self over heal and raise max health seems pretty strong in retrospect.
Very much so, if scouts are getting in your face often you should be on minigun, the closer they are to you the more advantage they hold over you, so killing them as soon as possible is the way to go.
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Let's add more to the dalokohs that was in my script but my dumbass forgot to talk about it.
It's overheal lasts for twice as long as a medics overheal which is absolutely mega gamer.
This list is completely wrong. The Dalokohs Bar is by itself in S tier and everything else should be in F tier. 😈😈😈
AMAIZING VId, insightful heavy main perspectives are always valued
I appreciate this content as I only play pubs it's great to see almost all of Heavy's kit is viable to play and fun
Could I recommend introducing the weapon on the screen with the stats for some seconds so it becomes easier to keep track of? Also maybe showing the full tier list at the end on the outro? Just my opinion tho. I mained heavy when I played this game 10 years ago and I didnt even know shitty bear paws, shitty brass nuckles and the huo hue heater was changed since then. Anyways, cool video, thank you for sharing your insights on the class. You forgot Iron Curtain btw, which is clearly S+
The real TF2 unicorn, a heavy main!
good video also
Nice list, i always run gru because i dont play comp but its as good as fos in that context imo
Marvelous, you are back. Nice, and you bring your point of view for Heavy weapons. If you had to offclass(Heavy is your main, plus what do you pick to not burnout), what would your other two favorite classes be? IF it was possible to expand on core class features, would a Counterstrike inspired Movement passive called the Rushing Slav(MAIN DAMAGE MEALER AKA MINIGUN is 77% movement speed, Rushing Slav on secondaries and melees is 88%, stacks with other movement increaser Heavy and outside forces. Meaning, with Miniguns holstered, Rushing Slav is the default movement speed for other slots, which can offer even Full Stock Heavy with options, then the self speed boosting stuff like Steak, Evi Noti and GRU and then other buffs like Diciplinary action stack.) and I think it would help Heavy a lot. would Rushing Slav be any help for the Heavy?
in regards to this video. C tier has the Warrior's Spirit and Steak, right?(Steka was in lower B tier actually) To lead into this first, I think Valve wanted to make the melee part of the Hibernating Bear set the Heavy's Glory kills, but half assed it and made it lame. I think some improvement would help.
for the Buffalo Steak: First off, give it 300HP that heals over time like the Sandvich and 150HP that is temporary health for 20 seconds. this can work well for a MELEE ONLY MODE Heavy and the Steak still has the 20% damage vulnerability, ask yourselves is it better to have 300HP and 20% damage vul or 450HP and 20% damage vul? I would also add in that the Buffalo Steak grants Heavy 15HP on hit and 35HP on kill for those 16 seconds the Buffalo Steaks is active. This actually makes the Buffalo Steak upgrade from FREAKING RAW to RARE and MUCH better, both in set and it can actually work as a Subclass for Heavy now!
Warrior's Spirit: First off, make the 30% damage vulnerability be 15% dmg vul(Steak 20% dmg vul plus Bear Claws 30% for 50% dmg vul total is worse then 20% plsu 15% for 35% aka Mark for Death/Minicrits that without no damage falloff, regardless if 300HP or 450HP), 15% more damage instead of 30% more damage for no random crits for minicrits are crits and 15% faster swing speed as well as 15HP on hit and 50HP on kill. This makes the Bear Claws much more usable, both on their own and with the Steak and more importantly the Shotguns(Warrior's Spirit is a better Health gain item now, minicrit buffs make it better) which would be great to combo with things, especially with Rushing Slav.
Stock fists, for them IF you want all stock melees to have some FUNctions(some people do not want any of the stock items changed in any way at all.), I would add Stock fists to have a "on kill, 15% faster movement speed for 3 seconds" as a upside. Would this be fine? does it need to be 6 seconds instead? For example, my idea for Medic improvements, when we look at his Most Effective Tactic Available, which is Crusaders Crossbow/Ubersaw with Situational Medigun, look at what the Crossbow and Ubersaw do(Burst healing and Uber gain), my answer is to give Medic Primaries and Melees Burst healing with 5% uber on heal(Primaries get Medium Med packs to throw(practically Sandvich alt fire function with 5% uber on heal as medic Primary weapons alt fire with stats for it) and Melees get Disciplinary action mechanics Injector Syringe/Stimpack for alt fire that does 20% healing on frendlies, Press R to Self heal with melee active, 5% uber on heal, and 15 second cooldown during which you have a 25 damage quick swing speed no random crits attack for alt fire, stock bonesaw syringe also does 5% uber on hit during the cooldown) as my way to Balance the Crossbow ubersaw Medic META without making that item combo crap.
Holiday Punch, good gimmick item, maybe it gets better with my Rushing Slav passive idea?
Huo Long Heater, I think a Firing mode switch from Ring of Fire to Indeindiary Ammo/ignite on hit for 4 extra ammo per hit would make it interesting, Press R for mode switch or how to do it?
Panic Attack, Wide spread, meaning getting close to people, but Heavy slowest class in game, would Rushing Slav help with this?
Kiling Gloves of Boxing, good item, Guarantied crits by melee kills would be OP, but is balanced by the fact it is on the Slowest class in game. How does Rushing Slav change things? Good for Heavy? Of course. I don't think it makes him ZOMG2OP,PLZNERF1!!1!1! level of Overpowered with Rushing Slav.
Eviction Notice, I actually took the speed when active as inspiration for Rushing Slav movement speed, and yes Rushing Slav does stack with that, and on hit Speed boost as well. I also think that revering it back to 20% damage vulnerability when active would be better. Question, what if the Spiked Knuckledusters had a "when speed boosted, plus 80% more damage" which is minus 60% damage plus 80% damage for plus 20% damage when speedboosted as a upside to using it?
Natasha(And Brass Beast) I would revert the Damage resistance mechanic so that it is "when revved up, plus 20% more damage resistance" so the Natasha and Brass Beast are better as the Tanky Mode Heavy Miniguns. Does the slow mechanic need to be made better or do rework it so it is a better thing, maybe a flat "on hit, 3 seconds of 20% slows" as the ability (I had idea for Scout Stock bat that applies a Debuff on third hit called Daze, which is 20% slow on foe's movement, reload, rev up, reloading, melee swing speed and a buff to the Sandman ball, would putting Daze on Natasha with the on hit 3 seconds of Daze effect make it better?) as a change. damage dealing, lower the minus 25% damage to a 15% damage to make it better. Oh, you want to change the looks as well? I was wondering, since stock Minigun is Black barrel & grips with white ammo drum, maybe do a inverse for the Natasha? White/Chromed barrel & grips with Black ammo drum?
Gloves of Running Urgently, maybe "on kill, deactivates health drain for 3 seconds" as a upside? this makes it so it is rewarding you for making to do a melee kill.
Now A tiers, I think those are pretty good.
Second Banana, it is more for when you are a roamer Heavy and you need many heals over some big healing.
Stock shotgun and Eviction Notice, Pretty good, and good on the move. My Rushing Slav passive would make Shotgun Enforcer Heavy even better.
Brass Beast, as I said, reverting the 20% damage resistance from "when at half health" to "when revved up" would make it much better.
Dalokosh Bar, good item, good for survivability. How would my changed Buffalo Steak work against this? Well, the Chocolate gives temp health you can use with miniguns, but Steak is MELEE MODE, so there is that.
S tier, starting off with Tomislav and Minigun. yes they are awesome and for different things.
Sandvich. pretty good and reliable, if the Edibles had a Stock item, the Sandvich is it.
Fists of Steel, you get damage resistance, very good. Steak combo would be interesting.
great video, quite enjoyed the additions and suggestions you added for weapons too. informative and enjoyable. Hope you get a slightly better mic soon though lol
A few changes tho: first off there's no way the brass beast is a strong alternative. It's pretty garbage outside of mvm cuz dps is meaningless when literally everyone can outrun you, which renders your extra damage obsolete due to damage fall off. Not to mention how vulnerable you are in front of pick classes like snipers and spies. That 50% slower spin up time is also a big downside as if you're caught unrevved, you're basically toast. It honestly only works when you're guarding a chokepoint waiting for other ppl to come to you but that's a boring and ineffective way to play the class and every minigun can defend chokepoints well and they're not limited to do just that. Secondly, the GRU is literally meta as heavy moving quickly is a pretty major bonus considering his main weakness is his lack of mobility. It's a good way to get into the frontline quickly and to escape a sticky situation. The KGB is also a pretty decent weapon, being a very good risk/reward option. Overall, the brass beast deserves in the low B to high C tier; the KGB deserves to be in A tier and the GRU deserves to be in A tier
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the GOAT returns!
Epic video, but what weapon animations do you use?
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Great video, i have never played competive tf2 but i spent a lot of time in tf in general (about 9kh) And i honestly dont understand the brassbeast placement. 25% damage bonus is good but the weapon itself is so slow and situational and it sucks to use in pubs so i was surprised to see it in A tier. Maybe it actually has use in tournaments but i still think it doesn't belong in a tier.
The brass beast is excellent and arguabily best in slot when you dont need to move, this means that in any map that has these strongvantage points like upward first playground, or when you got no time to set up a gun in 6s last holds there is simply no better option.
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Oh hey! You're still active! I met you some years ago with your video about the fists of seel
absolute dinosaur , just like me
Finally a heavy main
Humussy
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Brass beast in A are you mental
7:12 zaza spotted
Good video
We are eating sandwich with this one
I always knew Sandvich was best. Top that medic off and get rolling. Not having my gun out is a risk that needs to be worth it.
I main medic now and it's true from that side too. If you need it more often than every 30 seconds you are doing something wrong (or getting destroyed which happens too but a banana isn't fixing that).
do WHAT to that medic?????
fun video :D
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Still no ugc medals + I have been making this for a month now :c
@@HummonTF2 ugc is cancelled
We are back.
for curiosity sake what are your thoughts on pre-jungle inferno dalokohs bar? Since the heavy being a heal sponge in organized settings having the option to self over heal and raise max health seems pretty strong in retrospect.
It was much stronger, probably on the same spot in the list though.
Hummon is the close range dps of the Tomislav, and stock very noticeable when fighting scout?
Very much so, if scouts are getting in your face often you should be on minigun, the closer they are to you the more advantage they hold over you, so killing them as soon as possible is the way to go.
will u be playing for 256 this season in mid
no, I work on the evenings these days, when thats over I might be back. I am currently subbing for them.
What sens do you play on
20 cm per 360
what hud do u use?
budhud
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Heavy diff
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