WHO IS THE BEST - LINK, YOUNG LINK OR TOON LINK?

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  • @MauriiDSchannel
    @MauriiDSchannel 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3182

    "The Weakest Link" name potential was wasted

    • @nicklong7442
      @nicklong7442 5 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      Maurii DS no one likes hearing about the “weakest.” Everyone wants to know “THE BEST!!!”
      It’s just not as intriguing.
      It’s funny, and cleaver, but I wouldn’t be hear if that was the name. No kidding. It sounds like clickbait.
      Clever tho!

    • @vinegar6862
      @vinegar6862 5 ปีที่แล้ว +62

      Nicholas Long actually it’s quite the opposite

    • @austinpowers3659
      @austinpowers3659 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Agreed

    • @movielord911
      @movielord911 5 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      This was top comment i presume so im gonna save everyone the time and tell you whos the best
      Mii sword fighter *Dressed as link*

    • @eggsalad7320
      @eggsalad7320 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@movielord911 Lonk*

  • @KhalilSiddeeq
    @KhalilSiddeeq 5 ปีที่แล้ว +872

    One Link, Two Link, Young Link, Toon Link was very, *very* sadly rejected as a video title as well.

    • @rawtrout3402
      @rawtrout3402 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Cadeboy 13 no it has 320 likes

    • @KieraQ0323
      @KieraQ0323 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@azeplays3563 Wow, that's actually better!

    • @lucash.1943
      @lucash.1943 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Young Link, Toon Link, Red Link, Blue Link

  • @kodycastellanos
    @kodycastellanos 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1541

    Which is better?
    -Boy who cooks food to fight bosses
    -Boy who kills the insides of trees
    -Boy who picks up pigs

    • @rain_1407_
      @rain_1407_ 5 ปีที่แล้ว +126

      Kody Castellanos zelda.

    • @Sonic_the_Hedge-hog
      @Sonic_the_Hedge-hog 5 ปีที่แล้ว +109

      Boy who wrestled gorons

    • @shesgotstyle2633
      @shesgotstyle2633 5 ปีที่แล้ว +95

      -Boy who can pause time to have a nice lengthy meal, teleport, rain thunder upon his enemies, be revived if killed every 5 minutes, can actually jump, can yeet himself into the air, can protecc himself, can yield weapons better than the master sword. thats who I think is better

    • @gormlessCreator
      @gormlessCreator 5 ปีที่แล้ว +61

      @@rain_1407_
      But they're all Zelda?

    • @PsychicCatTCG
      @PsychicCatTCG 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Bowser jr

  • @shybaka2892
    @shybaka2892 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1558

    I like Toon Link cause when he spins he says "WOOYAAAAHH!!!!"

    • @manateeman2188
      @manateeman2188 5 ปีที่แล้ว +86

      Shybaka289 and his up smash he says : JAAYAAHH

    • @IAm-zo1bo
      @IAm-zo1bo 5 ปีที่แล้ว +132

      He fucking screams when he breaths

    • @NAIROBS
      @NAIROBS 5 ปีที่แล้ว +80

      And his down taunt says «wAaAaAaAaAHHH!!!»

    • @IAm-zo1bo
      @IAm-zo1bo 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@NAIROBS wwaaaaaah eh

    • @IAm-zo1bo
      @IAm-zo1bo 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@NAIROBS or was it his side taunt

  • @pikawoof8256
    @pikawoof8256 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1799

    Zero thought "Who is the weakest Link?" was a bad title for this video while his whole twitch chat was suggesting it.
    I for one think he is very wrong.

    • @Dead_by_Design
      @Dead_by_Design 5 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      And I agree (with you)

    • @danielmcneary3947
      @danielmcneary3947 5 ปีที่แล้ว +61

      he said he needs to put the names of all the links in the title in order to trick the youtube algorithm

    • @tevingreen3908
      @tevingreen3908 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Big facts. Also, Watching this in real time was hilarious.

    • @sharifhaque99
      @sharifhaque99 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      The WEAKEST LINK

    • @devastatheseeker9967
      @devastatheseeker9967 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Probably because the three links are all good and while you can have a pun this title would generate more views

  • @davidwang7626
    @davidwang7626 5 ปีที่แล้ว +744

    The best link is lonk, not any of these bootleg links in the game.

    • @superpower172
      @superpower172 5 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      lonk has nothing on lunk

    • @IAm-zo1bo
      @IAm-zo1bo 5 ปีที่แล้ว +46

      Zelda is the real link

    • @ReplayPodcast_
      @ReplayPodcast_ 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      From Pennsylvania right?

    • @drifki3471
      @drifki3471 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@IAm-zo1bo obviously

    • @Chadmiral
      @Chadmiral 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      ACTUALLY Lenk is better...

  • @ChristopherMoom
    @ChristopherMoom 5 ปีที่แล้ว +631

    Hey, why only Link, Young Link, and Toon Link? What about the Links in the description?

  • @MOON1466
    @MOON1466 5 ปีที่แล้ว +418

    So basically what you're saying is I should main Toon Link . 🤔

  • @noideer7880
    @noideer7880 5 ปีที่แล้ว +452

    Joke's on you, none of the Links are good when I play them

    • @gv82089
      @gv82089 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      noideer Damn git gud

    • @alext8060
      @alext8060 5 ปีที่แล้ว +51

      Jokes on you no characters are good when I play them

    • @dojjo2587
      @dojjo2587 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Jokes on you: your mom

    • @xxgarlicbreadxx3740
      @xxgarlicbreadxx3740 5 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      jokes on you I don’t have any skills in real life

    • @voltaireentertainment
      @voltaireentertainment 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@xxgarlicbreadxx3740 YOULL NEVER FAN: SHUT D A F A G UP

  • @lilkxdude5659
    @lilkxdude5659 5 ปีที่แล้ว +200

    I main Toon Link, because sure; he doesn't do as much damage. But he is faster, and he doesn't do his side and up smashes twice/three times. Not to mention landing his down air offstage is orgasmic.

    • @jaboiii7058
      @jaboiii7058 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Use the toggle on the links and he wont swing more than once

    • @HCN-002OldChannel
      @HCN-002OldChannel 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      ja boiii but if you do that then it won’t do jack crap, so I still stand by Toon Link

    • @Salmonwithfeet
      @Salmonwithfeet 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      In all the tier lists he tops the rest

    • @HCN-002OldChannel
      @HCN-002OldChannel 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Bwa Bwa Yoshi oh, I guess that I misunderstood

    • @Groovyjp123
      @Groovyjp123 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Toon link fam

  • @theofficerearl8041
    @theofficerearl8041 5 ปีที่แล้ว +408

    Toon link obviously he is adorable and must be protected from all thots

    • @Sonic_the_Hedge-hog
      @Sonic_the_Hedge-hog 5 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      #SparenoTHOT

    • @sophiegrey9576
      @sophiegrey9576 5 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      but the chain is only as strong as the weakest link

    • @residentfacehead3465
      @residentfacehead3465 5 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      Your uptilt combos into itself
      You can combo a throw into any aerial
      You have actual kill power yet are still a speedy lil boi.
      What's not to love?

    • @innertuber4049
      @innertuber4049 5 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      I just don't really like playing fast-fallers, so I think Toon Link feels best.

    • @perox9695
      @perox9695 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      well you're not wrong all the female characters do mostly wreck toon lonk

  • @akmask1258
    @akmask1258 5 ปีที่แล้ว +384

    the one that doesn't spam 🅱 is the best link
    *all links mains sweat intensely*

    • @ezpz4me562
      @ezpz4me562 5 ปีที่แล้ว +41

      Animations 300 link mains are changing their controls as we speak

    • @alear18
      @alear18 5 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      EZPZ4ME **sets a to special and b to attack**

    • @RinkuHeroOfTime
      @RinkuHeroOfTime 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      jokes on u, in smash u can change button layout lol

    • @meowers917
      @meowers917 5 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      jokes on u,
      young link mains spam b
      link mains spam smash attacks
      toon link mains spam down air

    • @meowers917
      @meowers917 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      GameBoy Cooler my dude chill, not all y.link mains are spammers lol I just come across a lot of y. link campers

  • @mechlow2669
    @mechlow2669 5 ปีที่แล้ว +401

    im loyal to toon link because ive always mained him since brawl 😤

    • @RamJam3
      @RamJam3 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Ditto

    • @raymanic7603
      @raymanic7603 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      SAME BROTHA

    • @flamester6014
      @flamester6014 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      SAME DUDE

    • @agent_orca7512
      @agent_orca7512 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Same.

    • @penguino112
      @penguino112 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Me too but I started playing him in 4. I would die before switching to another Link

  • @beansfebreeze
    @beansfebreeze 5 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    Toon Link: Fast, but not that spectacular combo wise.
    Young Link: Combo heavy, but can struggle to kill outside of confirms. Otherwise has better matchups.
    Link: Pretty slow, but his range and kills are way more reliable. Bad against rushdowns.

  • @koelee
    @koelee 5 ปีที่แล้ว +116

    As a Link main and Toon Link secondary, I think Toon Link is being slept on. I agree with the placings on this list, but I just feel like as an all rounder, Toon Link has his own strengths that aren't normally recognised.

    • @perox9695
      @perox9695 5 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      nobody mentions how fucking good his side smash is and how fast you can turn around and just *SLASH* them with it + the range is pretty decent

    • @koelee
      @koelee 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@perox9695 Toon Link forward smash is my favourite tool for catching landings

    • @perox9695
      @perox9695 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@koelee yea, or even up-air

    • @antoniolorenzo8621
      @antoniolorenzo8621 5 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Yeah Tink is pretty underrated. I think if more people picked him up and helped grow his meta, he would be considered better than he is now. He has the best kill throw of the 3, the safest smashes, the fastest run/air speed (actually top 25 run speed, 1 above Pichu), good combo moves (bair, bombs, boomerang, u tilt, even d tilt) and good kill power. If he had Yink's aerial framedata and a dair that didn't kill him offstage he'd be insane.

    • @blast5734
      @blast5734 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Koe Lee I agree 100%

  • @llliwwille
    @llliwwille 5 ปีที่แล้ว +403

    Join me fellow Toon Link mains! Tink is still the best link!!!

  • @blueexorcist9741
    @blueexorcist9741 5 ปีที่แล้ว +147

    Link from Mario kart is the best
    No questions asked

    • @BroMidget
      @BroMidget 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      But... ok

    • @DavionLane
      @DavionLane 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Blue Exorcist it’s lonk

    • @hahaurdum9961
      @hahaurdum9961 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Blue Exorcist but which one there is botw Mari kart link, twilight princess? Mari kart link and Mari kart lonk

    • @frostsplash
      @frostsplash 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      He’s so happy, holy shit you’re right

    • @youeverjustdie
      @youeverjustdie 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      The Mario Kart Link is not depressed for once

  • @ItsJustTro
    @ItsJustTro 5 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    Toon Link is the most expressive
    Young Link is the most experienced(out of the 3)
    BotW Link can cook a lovely dinner
    The winner is Lonk

    • @Epsilon191
      @Epsilon191 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Is he though? This isn't the one from majora's mask and Link was a royal knight who killed 6 lynels in one fight

    • @dr.notorious5609
      @dr.notorious5609 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Epsilon191 well young link has the fire arrows, which are only in mm, and i believe other younger links killed lynels before rather easily

    • @Epsilon191
      @Epsilon191 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@dr.notorious5609 6 at once?

    • @dr.notorious5609
      @dr.notorious5609 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Endrynation they are in the first Zelda game

    • @ItsJustTro
      @ItsJustTro 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Endrynation they're in A link to the past, a link between worlds, first game, botw, and i think triforce heroes

  • @arbitrary5226
    @arbitrary5226 5 ปีที่แล้ว +336

    toon link;
    well at least i personally have the most fun playing toon link out of the links

    • @nyoot7270
      @nyoot7270 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I thought toon zelda was in the game not that princess!1!!!!!111

    • @ElPolar
      @ElPolar 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The sound of the sword is very hilarious

    • @hectorborrero4672
      @hectorborrero4672 5 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      I respect anyone who plays toon link
      I can't really play toon link because he's wack

    • @ScrodumHat
      @ScrodumHat 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      arbitrary as long as you don’t spam projectiles you’re ok

    • @Carlisho
      @Carlisho 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      DBK IMD1 you are not fun

  • @gamenwatch6269
    @gamenwatch6269 5 ปีที่แล้ว +49

    I loved Wind Waker and Phantom Hourglass is my childhood.
    Toonlink will always be my favorite Link to use.

    • @supernubnugget4588
      @supernubnugget4588 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I'm glad am not alone.

    • @gannondrums2741
      @gannondrums2741 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      That sums up my opinion perfectly. Like actually though, you read my mind.

  • @orangedude5610
    @orangedude5610 5 ปีที่แล้ว +294

    6:25 - 6:43
    Young Link: *gO cRaZy Go StUpId*

    • @brokeangryjerry9605
      @brokeangryjerry9605 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@daed1819 go wacky yeh

    • @Guero679
      @Guero679 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      We got a comedian over here

    • @infinitethejackal8718
      @infinitethejackal8718 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Go bonkers

    • @IYPITWL
      @IYPITWL 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      those air moves r good
      im a fox main and being able to combo air is op for kills
      young link best
      ocarina n64

    • @Blackwing-sx7vz
      @Blackwing-sx7vz 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Guero679 ..

  • @slockshin1602
    @slockshin1602 5 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Toon Link "feels" the best out of the three to me. (He's not my main.) He does have the fastest dash speed and is also the smallest of the three, so he does come out on top in those categories.
    I want to see TL's meta head towards aerial usage. It seems this iteration's aerials string together well, especially his back air. I still think he needs lots of setups to KO, though these are fairly easy to do. His projectiles also allow for mix-ups if used properly.

    • @arcmissile
      @arcmissile 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Needs lots of setups to kill?
      -only link with a good killthrow
      -up-b kills on the ground in addition to being an edgeguard tool
      -hurtbox on up-air allows you to beat any attack and is one of the best anti-airs in the game since it stays out long enough to beat most airdodges, plus it kills

    • @slockshin1602
      @slockshin1602 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@arcmissile Eh, a little bit besides the main point of my comment but okay. I could've explained what I meant a little better: his best kill confirms at lower percents are setups. Bomb + fair and boomerang + fair. Obviously he can kill with more than that, but these are great for opponents just below 100% or so.
      Back throw and up air kill at higher percents, so I wasn't counting those. I'll give you up-B. (I tend to exclude this one due to helplessness, but it definitely is good in the right situation.)
      Also you talked about much more than their use as kill moves... not pertinent to what I was saying.

  • @camerontedrow4070
    @camerontedrow4070 5 ปีที่แล้ว +131

    Okay I know many people think Young Link is the best but (while I actually prefer Toon Link) I believe BOTW Link is the best link. Yes Young Link has a better offense and overall neutral game (n-air spam and chain hook), but I believe BOTW Link's bombs, up-smash, and size (useful for situations such as platforms or up-b range) over power that and overall make BOTW Link a better character.
    Edit: also BOTW Link's up-air and f-air and smash attack damage 😫

    • @captainnwalps6689
      @captainnwalps6689 5 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      Plus if you can space it right BOTW Link’s dash attack kills like at 50% or something ridiculous

    • @aidanflynn2037
      @aidanflynn2037 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Links up smash is my least favorite move in the game

    • @davidwang7626
      @davidwang7626 5 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      I mean it really depends on the matchup. Link does well against characters of his own speed or less, while young link does better against rushdown characters and faster ones as he has less lag and startup. But link is very solid tho.

    • @tuzicomet
      @tuzicomet 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      This guy has never seen tweek play

    • @mr.mister1408
      @mr.mister1408 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I main my lovely big boy link, and i wish I could agree, but i will admit that young link is the better.

  • @dvns2737
    @dvns2737 5 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    They’re all really good, it depends on your play style though, spacing and speed for Young Link, power and tactics for BoTW link, and neutral play for toon link

    • @dj-troost528
      @dj-troost528 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      There is 0 reasoning to play toon link so no ur wrong unless u want tactica ans power u play young link. The only reason to play toon link is personal connection to it

    • @ChefMainee
      @ChefMainee 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Toon Link & Link are pure zoners, picking one over the other is choosing a light or heavy zoner. Ylink is a mix-up/zoner because he can rushdown or zone equally as good, he also has the best neutral.

    • @dvns2737
      @dvns2737 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      DJ- Troost toon link is also just fun to play with as well

    • @sezarsurge9037
      @sezarsurge9037 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ChefMainee firstly its easier to kill with link thank all other links for me. secondly link causes more damage. and finally young link is better than toon link

    • @dvns2737
      @dvns2737 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      DJ- Troost toon links bombs and Air attacks are good for zoning and make him hard to approach

  • @wewoee
    @wewoee 5 ปีที่แล้ว +193

    Super Smash Bros: Link of the Hill

  • @sodiumsovereign
    @sodiumsovereign 5 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    I'd like to see you 3 stock with every character.

  • @EPS5000
    @EPS5000 5 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    Young Link was my main in Melee, but thanks to Link’s new remote bombs he’s my new main. I like to place a bomb, then throw a player toward it before detonating it.

  • @KingOfSkill
    @KingOfSkill 5 ปีที่แล้ว +67

    The title of this video INSTANTLY triggered me.

  • @kamikeserpentail3778
    @kamikeserpentail3778 5 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    I love Toon Link.
    I wish they gave him some abilities having to do with wind though.
    Maybe some horizontal movement with his charged up special on the ground.
    But hey, at least they are no longer just clones. *glares at Dark Samus*

    • @kaytschumps7863
      @kaytschumps7863 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Dark samus is actually strictly better then normal samus his roll goes further!

    • @vaudou_
      @vaudou_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@kaytschumps7863 Her. Samus was always female.

    • @EWOODJ
      @EWOODJ 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Vudu *DARK* Samus

  • @splurgyreal
    @splurgyreal 5 ปีที่แล้ว +72

    What if three links jumped you in smash bros and one of them said, “HYAAAHH HUH HIGHYAAA”
    HYAAAHH HUH HIGHYAAA = take his heart containers

  • @lightvoid7089
    @lightvoid7089 5 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    They need to overhaul Toon Link. He stands out even less than ever now and is pretty much Young Link on hard mode.

  • @mr_j_official
    @mr_j_official 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I think Nintendo wasted the opportunity to give Toon Link a crouch walk that would be literally the one where you crawl through holes, sound effects and everything from Wind Waker

  • @Tunakoyo
    @Tunakoyo 5 ปีที่แล้ว +102

    I'm hoping Toon Link will receive some more buffs to make him more competitive with the other two links

    • @jacobunderwood4160
      @jacobunderwood4160 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      More kill power to be more in the middle of the 2 *LONKS*

    • @SluggishSSB
      @SluggishSSB 5 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Toon Link has more kill power than Yink

    • @pensologohesito
      @pensologohesito 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      If they buff his damage he is going to be insane.

    • @perox9695
      @perox9695 5 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@pensologohesito i dont think he needs a damage buff, i think he needs waaaayyy less landing lag, bigger hitboxes on his sword, FASTER BOOMERANG ANIMATION.

    • @BlazinBro786
      @BlazinBro786 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Give him his brawl quick draw back 😆

  • @conanbabarean
    @conanbabarean 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Zero forgot that when you use the arrow for BotW Link he can pick it up and can almost double the damage of N-special or Z-drop it as a ledge trap

  • @emilio5702
    @emilio5702 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    There is a fourth Link in the game, Engineer Link

    • @BitchChill
      @BitchChill 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He's not playable

  • @crumb5756
    @crumb5756 5 ปีที่แล้ว +65

    I love you Zero, but we need to talk about the way you pronounce 'category'

    • @dooshlerd
      @dooshlerd 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Cah-tegory

    • @LloydTheZephyrian
      @LloydTheZephyrian 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@dooshlerd and not caTEgory

    • @mordykinz4228
      @mordykinz4228 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      If you pay attention he pronounces a lot of words in really weird ways. I have no clue why he can't consistently pronounce words.

    • @patataqueexiste3994
      @patataqueexiste3994 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@mordykinz4228 because english is not his native language.

    • @mordykinz4228
      @mordykinz4228 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@patataqueexiste3994 Yah.... that makes sense.

  • @gingernproud9089
    @gingernproud9089 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I still find Toon Link to be the most fun, so he’ll remain one of my 3 mains

  • @arturogarrido1240
    @arturogarrido1240 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is probably the best video you have done lately, you went straight to the point and you actually did a lot of editing, keep it like that zero !!

  • @Groovyjp123
    @Groovyjp123 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I don’t use a character because they help me get better. I just use my favorite characters. In the end the point of it is to have fun so I really don’t like when people just go super tryhard and take it in a way that ruins it for others

    • @LinkMaster5555
      @LinkMaster5555 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Agreed I love playing all the links

  • @ChouXSmash
    @ChouXSmash 5 ปีที่แล้ว +356

    TL;DR
    Toon Link sucko
    Yung Link sicko
    Link kinda cute
    Also y'all link mains need the link to buy an Ethernet cord so you guys can projectile camp me in 60 fps.

    • @bootleg7685
      @bootleg7685 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Erik Mccreash which one did you get? you think you could link me it?

    • @daringiconoclast6547
      @daringiconoclast6547 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Got it before the game came out. I get a really laggy game 1/100 matches, and a kind of laggy game 1/50.
      If you get them regularly, definitely think of getting the adapter.

    • @beansfebreeze
      @beansfebreeze 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      You need to get better so you can beat campers

    • @glorted
      @glorted 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yup

    • @samuelandmilo8967
      @samuelandmilo8967 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Bro not all of us link mains do that😂

  • @mateomf1996
    @mateomf1996 5 ปีที่แล้ว +77

    I'm actually a Toon Link main xd Still love the character tho, hopefully he gets buffed

    • @jacobunderwood4160
      @jacobunderwood4160 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      His bair and d-throw buff would be cool

    • @HoboGaming
      @HoboGaming 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@jacobunderwood4160 100% dair needs buffed/fixed/changed/to not make me SD

    • @michaelkhiev2070
      @michaelkhiev2070 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@HoboGaming ur just bad

    • @lilkxdude5659
      @lilkxdude5659 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Is d air is fine tbh, has the greater chance of strikes than others

    • @Fojabass
      @Fojabass 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      A good change to his Dair would be to let players move a little bit to the right or left.
      Not as much as the normal links, obviously, but just slightly to the left or right.

  • @druizcardenas312
    @druizcardenas312 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I agree that Y. Link is probably the best and Link is the second best but I think most of the hype around those two makes it harder to appreciate how good Toon Link could get to be. While he's not the best in any of the categories he's also not the worst in none of them besides combo potential and even then we don't know how things will shape in the future. For example, I think his bombs are more consistent than Y. Link's and he has the fastes OoS option out of the 3 Links (Grounded Up B is only 6 frames, and kills).

    • @arcmissile
      @arcmissile 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      What makes you think younglink is best?
      -no spiking move
      -least powerful aerials of all the links, makes bomb confirms kill later
      -up-b does not kill and the combo to up-air is not a true combo
      -no killthrow. shielding against younglink invalidates like 98% of everything he does since his grab is bad too
      -boomerang is short-ranged and bomb explosion is smallest of all the links

    • @callinater6133
      @callinater6133 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      ArcMissile I love how you’re only scaling young link to areas in which other links are stronger while ignoring the many areas that YL is best at

  • @corncube9063
    @corncube9063 5 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    I main toon link, and no tier list or professional opinion can change it. But... I also main the other 2 links as well 😂

    • @chromybutt7385
      @chromybutt7385 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      You don’t know what a “main” is right?

    • @andreazhab
      @andreazhab 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That's a terrible decision. The three Links play completely differently from each other, so trying to main all three of them means you won't get good with any of them

    • @perox9695
      @perox9695 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Toon link will always be my boi since brawl, but link will make a nice 3rd (i might replace him with DK tho (sorry not sorry)).

    • @ChefMainee
      @ChefMainee 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Magjistarite Show they all play similarly if you zone. But you’re totally right because Link & Ylink have a huge skill ceiling

    • @davidc.
      @davidc. 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@andreazhab Maybe he cares more about enjoying the characters.

  • @diato5480
    @diato5480 5 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    Young Link Mains, Rise Up! We are the Best! (Oot Is AMAZING also.)

    • @onepunchman5837
      @onepunchman5837 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      My favourite game is breath of the wild but in smash young link lol and I have a young link amiibo

    • @LJSPR
      @LJSPR 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      OoT best game

    • @RohitSingh-zz2mu
      @RohitSingh-zz2mu 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      OOT IS THE BEST

    • @doormatcat
      @doormatcat 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      A brother in in arms

    • @Salmonwithfeet
      @Salmonwithfeet 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      No

  • @yohanes1251
    @yohanes1251 5 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Thank you ZeRo for the endless content you give us daily on Twitch and TH-cam. You continue to help me get through some rough times IRL and have even inspired me to do TH-cam and stream myself. Thanks and keep doing you!!

    • @kodycastellanos
      @kodycastellanos 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Congratulations! I’m here to start you off. I’m your first subscriber!

    • @yohanes1251
      @yohanes1251 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@kodycastellanos Thanks so much bro, means a lot!!

    • @CrimsonSlayer7
      @CrimsonSlayer7 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Another 1!

  • @Snazzysnail15
    @Snazzysnail15 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think this video style worked very well for you. The combination of clips for specific points while also having some pro play in the background kept it informative and engaging

  • @justindallman8943
    @justindallman8943 5 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    The way Zero says"category" infuriates me.

    • @Carlisho
      @Carlisho 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He is from Chile, why you gotta be like that?

    • @justindallman8943
      @justindallman8943 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Carlisho lol I'm not hating on the guy, it just sounds so funny.

    • @Carlisho
      @Carlisho 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Justin Dallman alright then

    • @DannyHsn
      @DannyHsn 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@justindallman8943 you just said it infuriates me

    • @joshuay7554
      @joshuay7554 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Carlisho even in spanish, the word "categoria" has the same/similar syllabic emphasis and vowel sounds as the english "category," not the way Zero says it. makes it sound like he's reading off someone else's script. it's pretty weird. is there a specific region in which people pronounce it like that?

  • @Kniightisa
    @Kniightisa 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Are we just going to breeze past the way he says ca-TA-gories? Love you papa zero xD

  • @blockyoxwinkle5829
    @blockyoxwinkle5829 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Personally I prefer Toon Link based purely on the looks. I'd also argue he's a good character to start with since he doesn't have any major advantage over the other links but doesn't have lot of short comings either.

  • @Kekoapono
    @Kekoapono 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Interesting, I would've thought Link's remote bomb would give him more of an edge, since it allows for more options. That being said, the bombs themselves don't do much damage, so there's that.

    • @TheOmegazerox
      @TheOmegazerox 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I was sort of suprised with Link's new bomb. I went into this game exspecting to use Link as I have sence melee. Young Link is my favorit for his battle style and agility but I'm starting to get a good playstyle with Link. Instead of lobbing bombs like the previous games I toss the remote bomb near oponants or near a ledge as they recover and blast them. It changes Link up a bit and he can use it for suprise and ambush. It's a new style for Link and I'm still working with it.

  • @theinspectorx509
    @theinspectorx509 5 ปีที่แล้ว +43

    ZELDA IS A BOY, AND YOU PLAY AS HIM.

    • @lauralaura4362
      @lauralaura4362 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The Inspector X LINK IS THE PRINCESS AND YOU SAVE HER

    • @LucasMBoysOurRoy
      @LucasMBoysOurRoy 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Bokoblin bitch

    • @harryt7839
      @harryt7839 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      7 people are typing

  • @boyoficeandfir3
    @boyoficeandfir3 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Nobody:
    Zero: "It's actually quite ridiculous".

  • @Sagolel4797
    @Sagolel4797 5 ปีที่แล้ว +88

    Title shoulda been "WHY YOUNG LINK IS BROKEN IN SMASH ULTIMATE"

    • @jacobunderwood4160
      @jacobunderwood4160 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      He ain't broken

    • @Boomtendo4tw
      @Boomtendo4tw 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      he overrated. nobody has won a grands with him. for such a good character you would expect one grands win at least. his range is too stubby and kill power too low. recovery is also weak

    • @timon4339
      @timon4339 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@Boomtendo4tw pichu, fox, peach haven't won a major either

    • @sniff494
      @sniff494 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      If they nerfed his arrows and only the arrows I swear that would be enough to make him tolerable. Those things are fucking ridiculous?

    • @Boomtendo4tw
      @Boomtendo4tw 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      CreATiF Light won a grands with Fox recently. One of the early grands Pichu won. Of all the channels I’m subbed to that have tournament video, I have seen all three of those in a grand finals game and win but not young link, and Im subbed to a lot of channels

  • @mazasis_princas456
    @mazasis_princas456 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Post comments while you can. I am truly disappointed in you and the others

    • @Karma-lr3sp
      @Karma-lr3sp 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ur a loser for going through videos finding a place to comment

    • @mazasis_princas456
      @mazasis_princas456 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Karma-lr3sp nah, just scrolled through ZeRo's videos to see if every video has comments disabled.

  • @staarfish5510
    @staarfish5510 5 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    Toon Link is the best because Wind Waker

    • @yu1kari
      @yu1kari 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Pat Starfish yh but I mean I like BotW as well so it’s kinda hard

    • @n4b1d
      @n4b1d 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      If we’re basing it off games I prefer Link BotW

  • @veernsterlegacy
    @veernsterlegacy 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    i main young link because speed, moveset similliar to link's moveset but bombs explodes instanlty
    and better grab, link's grab is too short

  • @captainnwalps6689
    @captainnwalps6689 5 ปีที่แล้ว +104

    Haven’t started the video yet but I already know he is going to disrespect my main *Toon Link (blue tunic)* and idk if I wanna be annoyed or not lol

    • @bluebatmanvk5535
      @bluebatmanvk5535 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Same! I love the blue tunic alt for TL!

    • @Boomtendo4tw
      @Boomtendo4tw 5 ปีที่แล้ว +41

      Toon Link is underrated and Young Link is overrated

    • @JazzyJay07
      @JazzyJay07 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Purple tunic over here

    • @thekiwi7405
      @thekiwi7405 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      purple tunic is best girl

    • @Diobanny
      @Diobanny 5 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      This guy is underestimating toon links bombs play.

  • @SluggishSSB
    @SluggishSSB 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    ZeRo doesn’t mention Toon Link’s tech potential in this video. Mainly because this was early in ultimates life. However now that the meta has progressed a bit, Toon Link BFO has made a return. It’s hard to get it down the first time, but learning it drastically increases Toon Link’s utility. It’d be crazy to say his up tilt is anything but insane, and you can get it at low percents off of bombs and rangs. Overall, he does have worth, and it’s worth it to pick him up for a while. With players like Xcal, he’s sure to develop, and is definitely worth to have, even if just as a pocket or secondary.

  • @lukeschwartz36
    @lukeschwartz36 5 ปีที่แล้ว +157

    I’m early I may as well tell a joke.
    Little Mac’s Revovery

  • @Midrule
    @Midrule 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I’d say toon link is better than young link. He can kill way earlier, faster, and can do a ton of damage. Is it just me that can make toon link look really good? The way I use him isn’t that predictable. Also it’s kinda the opposite with the peach, Fox situation... his arrows are slower, but I’ve made great use of it. Bombs and hit through platforms etc

  • @SpoOkyMagician
    @SpoOkyMagician 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I 100% agree with your thoughts on the three links. I prefer standard link though. Although, Young Link is pretty fun too.

  • @pierpaolosignore6805
    @pierpaolosignore6805 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    10/10 video format,I like these the most tbh and I would watch 5 in a row without being bored,not even a bit

  • @bigtoblerone8446
    @bigtoblerone8446 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Rate all the traditional super heavy weights:
    Ganondorf, Bowser, King K. Rool, DK, King Dedede, etc.

  • @DiamondPanda207
    @DiamondPanda207 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    dont forget that adult link's arrows can stick on the ground and then be picked up to shoot two arrows at once! this is a nod to the foraging aspect of breath of the wild as you collect and use whatever you can find to fight

  • @gknighton6040
    @gknighton6040 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I already knew that my main was gonna be the worst out of all the Links, but what really irks me, is the fact that in the games, Toon Link is actually physically stronger than BOTW Link. And on top of that, he has more experience with the Triforce of courage than BOTW Link and almost as much as Young Link. Feels bad man.

    • @gknighton6040
      @gknighton6040 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@mcbanana1473 Still, canonacilly, The Hero of Wind is overall more powerful than BOTW Link and almost as much the Hero of time

    • @callinater6133
      @callinater6133 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      McBanana Kirby wouldn’t be SSS tier. Some versions of the mario bros have done more impressive feats. Bayonetta and super sonic are also really strong. Not saying they’re necessarily stronger than Kirby, but not enough for Kirby to be sss tier

  • @jaboiii7058
    @jaboiii7058 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    As a botw link main. So true. Faster characters always got me playing defensive, because of his slow recovery from smashes, I'm always having to time them out or projectile them till an opportunity pops up

  • @chileshems88
    @chileshems88 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Reason I use Toon Link over the others is very simple: Wind Waker and Minish Cap are my favorite Zelda games.

  • @Succer
    @Succer 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    5:45 Young Link! YOUR BOMB IS LIT. GUYS HE CAN'T HEAR US. HE HAS HIS AIRPODS IN. OH GOD OH FUCK IM LITERALLY CRYING AND SHAKING RIGHT NOW.

  • @nightmaregames5508
    @nightmaregames5508 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Toon link is the equilibrated
    Young link is the fast
    Link is the stronger

    • @fury6688
      @fury6688 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      nightmare games
      Tink is the fastest of the three links in terms of air speed and ground speed- the only difference is a slower fall speed. But he is the fastest of the links.
      He is also heavier than YL by comparison standards.
      ZeRo jumped to a lot of conclusions in this one, as per usual with unrepped characters. Notably, bair isn’t even one of our best combo tools and we do have tech to make landing easier.
      Lots of small things.
      Form your own opinion.

    • @nightmaregames5508
      @nightmaregames5508 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@fury6688 zero has always underestimated characters that according to the "will not go far" as mario or toon link in this case, toon link has the potential to be high tier, the difference between the 3 links is very short
      being my top
      1.link top tier
      2.young link top / high tier
      3.toon link high tier

    • @fury6688
      @fury6688 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      nightmare games
      I agree with that. Maybe not links placing and I’d place them even closer.

    • @supernubnugget4588
      @supernubnugget4588 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I feel Toon link is also the most all around link with a couple flaws. But is definitely one of the most underated/underestimated characters in SSBU.

    • @callinater6133
      @callinater6133 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      nightmare games link is not top tier

  • @octupleodyssey
    @octupleodyssey 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    0:12 i think you meant the hero of the wild, the hero of time and the hero of the winds

  • @octupleodyssey
    @octupleodyssey 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    so much has changed regarding zero, but theres still people that support him, i personally think its good that he came clean, and we're only human. we all make mistakes. the difference between the good and bad is those who take responsibility for their actions, and those who dont. and zero did.

  • @ChannelIsNotInUse
    @ChannelIsNotInUse 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    -You know, Link also has a beam-
    -attack when at 0% but sure it's not-
    -mentioned-

  • @rabbidpeach4life
    @rabbidpeach4life 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Toon Link, of course. He's cute, kinda brave, honest, funny, and surprisingly heroic. And the dark version of himself gives me some loving, cause you know, I'm the Defense Primary Spirit of Smash, Rabbid Peach.

  • @megasnap9541
    @megasnap9541 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    1:39 Bombs are a pretty reliable source - proceeds to miss all of them

  • @Mage_Nichlas_
    @Mage_Nichlas_ 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I'll still main Toon Link when I get a Switch and Ultimate. That Hookshot just looks so fast. I really hope the Boomerang is the same or similar to how it has been because I'm a lord with the Boomerang.

    • @Waxotoo
      @Waxotoo 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      the only thing that change with toon link its his fsmash...its now a single hit but more powerful

  • @coreyt6396
    @coreyt6396 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    In my opinion Link is the best (Breath of The Wild). He's got good damage, his hit box is low, his combos are insane, top tier players play him, has a remote bomb (side note: can also be activated by fire moves which counters characters like Bowser and Charizard), has the 3rd longest sword in the game and even though he is slow he can alternatively play defensively.

  • @raheshramesh413
    @raheshramesh413 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Obviously
    Zelda

  • @amphicyon4359
    @amphicyon4359 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think this video was higher quality than normal. I would love more analysis like this

  • @what6904
    @what6904 5 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    If only toon link kept his old forward smash.... ( and if only he had the outset pajama alt )

    • @ridgenyan-botxv367
      @ridgenyan-botxv367 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Honestly, I really like toon Link's new fsmash. Even if it's technically worse, it "feels" nice to use and gives a little more uniqueness

    • @S1neWav_
      @S1neWav_ 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      toon links new fsmash has deceptively long range

    • @what6904
      @what6904 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      [GP] GenesiX but hard to kill with, his old one could kill at 60

  • @princeofspeedz8408
    @princeofspeedz8408 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I like Link's edge guard the best, on top of the remote bomb, it's especially good if you're able to judge how far the arrow will fly based on its charge. Also, if you miss with either hook shot, you have to wait a lot longer for it to retract than the grab, which kinda sucks if your opponent notices. Young Link's fire arrows are pretty nice though, and Toon Link's boomerang has a lot more range than the others.
    All in all, I prefer the regular, but all of them can be used pretty diversely as long as you know your own weaknesses. If you can avoid people exploiting your choice's weaknesses, then you're pretty much set with any of the Links for a win. Unless you're against Villager or Inkling, then you're screwed. I swear to god there's no way to survive the Lloyd spam or the roller recovery once you're caught...

  • @cpwcomputerplayerwill
    @cpwcomputerplayerwill 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I secondary toon link. That will never change.

  • @onepunchman5837
    @onepunchman5837 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    My favourite is young link shesh

  • @PGTree
    @PGTree 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Give toon link a better down air

    • @Boomtendo4tw
      @Boomtendo4tw 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      It’sThatTree if he had an option between fast down air with smash or slow down air with regular that would be cool

    • @trentonyoakum1627
      @trentonyoakum1627 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I actually like toon links down air. Comes in to play frequently in my games

  • @SubduedRadical
    @SubduedRadical 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    One nice thing is that if you can play one, you can KINDA play them all with a little adaptation. Your approach is going to be different, such as Link going for powerful hits while Young Ling is going for juggling/combos, but your kits are LARGELY the same across the board, making it easier to swap between Link and Young Link than Link and Pikachu, for example. So you can adapt based on the situation by using the Link best suited to the situation.

  • @thekiwi7405
    @thekiwi7405 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    my heart says toon link..
    but my body says young link..

  • @sonikko8979
    @sonikko8979 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    You missed some things about BotW Link.
    He can shoot sword beams at full heath in some moves.
    When you shoot an arrow, it stays on the ground and any BotW Link can pick it up and use it in a 2 shot bow.

  • @shir0azure339
    @shir0azure339 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    For those who have seen Zeltik's video, This list is true canonically.

    • @byronlyons3548
      @byronlyons3548 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      You mean the one where it pins all the different Link against one another, using all their skills and arsenals they gained throughout their adventures (if they had more than one)? If so, then it's not, since he placed Wind Waker Link above Breath of the Wild Link, even though it seems like he underrated BotW Link at the end of it all.

    • @shir0azure339
      @shir0azure339 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@byronlyons3548 Whoops, I guess that's the way I wanted to remember it. Thanks for the correction!

  • @darvida719
    @darvida719 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    One day, my boy Toon will shine, just you wait...

  • @Derek-pv6sh
    @Derek-pv6sh 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Ridley, ridley is the best link.

    • @Official_MCS1125
      @Official_MCS1125 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Nah, original Legend of Zelda Link is the best Link

  • @captainpalms6980
    @captainpalms6980 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really enjoyed this type of video!

  • @ryanclarke826
    @ryanclarke826 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Can you do more character tutorials? Like how to play

  • @soltanehoukim6528
    @soltanehoukim6528 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I honestly think I might start playing Young Link. Is he a "hard" character to learn ?

  • @gamerskye12365
    @gamerskye12365 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Stream Squad! "Are all Links made the same?" That's my suggestion

  • @redpenguin5602
    @redpenguin5602 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    **instantly shares this videowith his friend who mains toon link and laughs in his face**

  • @turtley
    @turtley 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    wow toon link is the worst I totally wasn't expecting that
    **salty comment is salty**

  • @WintersWolfRS
    @WintersWolfRS 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    character breakdown videos like this teach a lot about the game to new players like myself. i would love to see all characters broken down in video like this by someone who knows lots about the game such as yourself even just once a week means every character broken down in depth or possibly compared to each other in just slightly over a year. it might even give you new insights if you look deep enough into critical analysis

  • @banjo4smash862
    @banjo4smash862 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    same guy who said Game&Watch is bottom 2 so take this with a grain of salt lol

  • @waves2378
    @waves2378 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    *hears him say Toon Link is the worst*
    I’ll be outside your door in an hour. You have that much time to escape my wrath.

  • @chronenojysk5107
    @chronenojysk5107 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Toon Link is the superior Link. You can’t change my mind.

  • @Shirubakaze
    @Shirubakaze 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice vid. These deep looks into characters are really good. I'm literally a casual but it's cool to know this stuff I otherwise would never get to.